View Full Version : Stan's First Squad: Granny Rule Enforced
Fat Tom
16-02-2006, 01:13 PM
SkySports.com
Sunderland's Liam Lawrence and Manchester City's Stephen Ireland have won their first call-ups to the Republic of Ireland squad.
New Ireland boss Steve Staunton has included the duo his first squad for next month's friendly with Sweden.
Lawrence qualifies for Ireland through his grandparents and he has decided to pledge his allegiance to Staunton's side.
Manchester City youngster Ireland fell out of the reckoning under former boss Brian Kerr, but he has been given the chance to impress under Staunton.
Tottenham defender Stephen Kelly, Bolton defender Joey O'Brien and Brighton goalkeeper Wayne Henderson have all been promoted from the Under-21 squad.
Staunton believes the time is right to give some of the younger players a chance to make the step up into the senior side.
"I have been looking at a lot of players very closely over the last month and the time is right to give some new lads the opportunity to play at senior level," said Staunton.
Full squad:
Given (Newcastle), Kenny (Sheff Utd), Henderson (Brighton), Breen (Sunderland), Harte (Levante), Finnan (Liverpool), A O'Brien (Portsmouth), Dunne (Man City), Miller (Leeds), Kilbane (Everton), Reid (Blackburn), Duff (Chelsea), Keane (Tottenham), Morrison (Crystal Palace), Kavanagh (Wigan), Doyle (Reading), Ireland (Man City), Elliott (Sunderland), Lawrence (Sunderland), J O'Brien (Bolton), Kelly (Tottenham), O'Shea (Man Utd), Douglas (Leeds).
Teknique
16-02-2006, 01:16 PM
I'm de Baws , I'm de Ghaffer"
Rebelred
16-02-2006, 01:21 PM
not much change there
Fat Tom
16-02-2006, 01:22 PM
Guess which Premiership team has the highest representation of players, go on guess?
jungle
16-02-2006, 01:23 PM
Guess which Premiership team has the highest representation of players, go on guess?
A piss-poor one managed by a good mate of Stan's?
Rebelred
16-02-2006, 01:24 PM
Guess which Premiership team has the highest representation of players, go on guess?
would it be the worst premiership team in history?
Fat Tom
16-02-2006, 01:28 PM
would it be the worst premiership team in history?
bingo.
Gone from the days of 2 and 3 United and Pool players to this.
The future looks bright.
Also: The Indo's Breaking news pulled a Fitzy
Gerry O'Brien, Kevin Doyle, Stephen Kelly and Stephen Ireland were all obvious choices for the upcoming Sweden friendly on March 1st.
MonTheHoops
16-02-2006, 01:43 PM
Full squad:
Given (Newcastle), Kenny (Sheff Utd), Henderson (Brighton), Breen (Sunderland), Harte (Levante), Finnan (Liverpool), A O'Brien (Portsmouth), Dunne (Man City), Miller (Leeds), Kilbane (Everton), Reid (Blackburn), Duff (Chelsea), Keane (Tottenham), Morrison (Crystal Palace), Kavanagh (Wigan), Doyle (Reading), Ireland (Man City), Elliott (Sunderland), Lawrence (Sunderland), J O'Brien (Bolton), Kelly (Tottenham), O'Shea (Man Utd), Douglas (Leeds).
Thats fairly depressing reading.
STEVIEG
16-02-2006, 01:43 PM
Here's his first Grandad rule enforced
http://i1.tinypic.com/nwy4vc.jpg
jungle
16-02-2006, 01:51 PM
I think I may support England. Better to support a good team full of English players...
Tube a Pringles
16-02-2006, 01:56 PM
Where's Mick Ring?
Gaffer me hole!
Lamps
16-02-2006, 02:37 PM
i've only seen lawrence in the chelsea sunderland game and i thought he looked decent. get kevin nolan, joey barton and a left back on the granny rule and we'd be lookin good
The Full Ham
16-02-2006, 02:42 PM
the lights have gone put all over irish football....we won't see them lit again in our lifetime....it's that serious.
who the fuck would want to declare for ireland now with stan in charge.
Watch this space we are going to decline like northern Ireland did after '86.
Fat Tom
16-02-2006, 02:48 PM
i've only seen lawrence in the chelsea sunderland game and i thought he looked decent. get kevin nolan, joey barton and a left back on the granny rule and we'd be lookin good
So basically we become the Enlgand reserved plus Finnan, O'Shea, Keane, Duff and Given.
Is Barton eligible?
think both will get England caps at some stage.
I dunno how anyone could play international footy for a country they hold no love for.
You don't mind fellas who were brought up as Irish citizens abroad and I know "foreigners" have done well but I'd rather see us made up of Irish players.
Lamps
16-02-2006, 02:54 PM
Is Barton eligible?
dunno, if he's a scouser he probably is. i heard rooney and gerrard could've played for us too.
they're as irish as houghton and townsend
Fat Tom
16-02-2006, 02:56 PM
dunno, if he's a scouser he probably is. i heard rooney and gerrard could've played for us too.
they're as irish as houghton and townsend
hehe, funny because its true.
the lights have gone put all over irish football....we won't see them lit again in our lifetime....it's that serious.
who the fuck would want to declare for ireland now with stan in charge.
Watch this space we are going to decline like northern Ireland did after '86.
give him a chance anyway FFS, Whats he supposed to do, pull Maradona's out of his arse? Its the FAI's fault there's no talent coming through, This is exactly the kind of simple minded, moronic talk that is endemic as regards soccer in this country
Its the FAI's fault there's no talent coming through,
Bingo. Shower of fucking wasters.
What have they been doing for the last 10 years???
Lamps
16-02-2006, 03:17 PM
Bingo. Shower of fucking wasters.
What have they been doing for the last 10 years???
http://dynimg.rte.ie/0000211c0c1m.jpg
milo and fran
even by their names you can tell that they're small time jackeen AUL'ers, they couldn't run shit.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38058000/jpg/_38058062_milo_300.j pg
milo brings the family on a junket to the 2002 world cup.
pat mustard anyone
afeencalleddan
16-02-2006, 03:20 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38058000/jpg/_38058062_milo_300.j pg
milo brings the family on a junket to the 2002 world cup.
pat mustard anyone
He has a fine pair of tits though!
Fran Rooney, probably the greatest charlatan the FAI ever appointed.
The Full Ham
16-02-2006, 03:24 PM
give him a chance anyway FFS, Whats he supposed to do, pull Maradona's out of his arse? Its the FAI's fault there's no talent coming through, This is exactly the kind of simple minded, moronic talk that is endemic as regards soccer in this country
call it moronic all you like, the results will speak for themselves....and no i won't give him a chance....he is not even a second rate manager with no second rate track record behind him....it's a sham, the FAI is a sham, why should we accept a second rate sham for a manager?
Oh sorry it's more of that "twill do, we are Irish" thinking that was found to be so prevalent in Saipan. sur aren't the FAI delighted now....they have their yes man...normal service can be resumed.
The Full Ham
16-02-2006, 03:28 PM
As a famous man once said..."you have to give yourself the best chance to qualify for a tournament" Have the FAI given Ireland the best chance by hiring the footballing genius of stan? Hand on heart...have they?
call it moronic all you like, the results will speak for themselves....and no i won't give him a chance....he is not even a second rate manager with no second rate track record behind him....it's a sham, the FAI is a sham, why should we accept a second rate sham for a manager?
Oh sorry it's more of that "twill do, we are Irish" thinking that was found to be so prevalent in Saipan. sur aren't the FAI delighted now....they have their yes man...normal service can be resumed.
at the risk of pulling a langer Fitzy, that is reactionary shite of the highest order, how is he supposed to prove himself if he isn't given a chance, with Stan's enthusiasm and Sir Bobby's tactical nous, this team could give the euro qualifier a good shot. I suppose you'd like some mercenary tosser like Venables or that French prick troussier in the hot seat
The Full Ham
16-02-2006, 03:46 PM
at the risk of pulling a langer Fitzy, that is reactionary shite of the highest order, how is he supposed to prove himself if he isn't given a chance, with Stan's enthusiasm and Sir Bobby's tactical nous, this team could give the euro qualifier a good shot. I suppose you'd like some mercenary tosser like Venables or that French prick troussier in the hot seat
Have a go at Tel all you like. His record in charge of england speaks for itself. the only time england ever looked like winning something was under Tel....If Gascoigne had'nt of completely missed that cross.....
My point is stan does not deserve a chance yet, since he does not have a track record. The FAI are insulting irish fans by asking us to accept him. It's the usual "twill do" attitude and it's not reactionary to point it out.
I repeat..."hand on heart are we giving ourselves the best chance of qualification with stan in charge?"
Murdock
16-02-2006, 03:48 PM
Is Barton eligible?
Didn't he say he thought the "granny rule" was a joke and he would never play for a country he didn't come from?
afeencalleddan
16-02-2006, 03:55 PM
at the risk of pulling a langer Fitzy, that is reactionary shite of the highest order, how is he supposed to prove himself if he isn't given a chance, with Stan's enthusiasm and Sir Bobby's tactical nous, this team could give the euro qualifier a good shot. I suppose you'd like some mercenary tosser like Venables or that French prick troussier in the hot seat
The big question is how is this a progression from Kerr? I don't see how it can be. They fire a guy who had some experience of management, and international management at that, albeit at underage level then they hire a guy who was a player-coach at Walsall. Now firing a guy is all very well but surely you then want to give yourself the best chance possible to make progress by hiring a guy with a bit more of a reputation in the game regardless of nationality. Do the FAI do that? Nah, they hire a guy with fuck all experience and reputation (not to mention his dubious involvement in the Saipan affair) and give an ambiguous position to Bobby Robson just to add extra confusion. Surely it should be the other way around - appoint the master and let the apprentice learn from him but of course the FAI have to turn it arse-ways.
It may all fall into Staunton's lap and he might be the greatest manager ever but I agree with Ham. We are going down a very dangerous route that could take years to recover from.
Have a go at Tel all you like. His record in charge of england speaks for itself. the only time england ever looked like winning something was under Tel....If Gascoigne had'nt of completely missed that cross.....
My point is stan does not deserve a chance yet, since he does not have a track record. The FAI are insulting irish fans by asking us to accept him. It's the usual "twill do" attitude and it's not reactionary to point it out.
I repeat..."hand on heart are we giving ourselves the best chance of qualification with stan in charge?"
Any muppet with some idea of what he was at, could achieve something with a squad like that, a more telling comparison would El Tel's time at leeds, remind me again how that went
MonTheHoops
16-02-2006, 03:57 PM
So basically we become the Enlgand reserved plus Finnan, O'Shea, Keane, Duff and Given.
Is Barton eligible?
think both will get England caps at some stage.
I dunno how anyone could play international footy for a country they hold no love for.
You don't mind fellas who were brought up as Irish citizens abroad and I know "foreigners" have done well but I'd rather see us made up of Irish players.
Why not?
The Irish diaspora has travelled far and wide. The French and Dutch have shown what use can be made of their colonial past and why shouldn't we. Take those born outside France from the World Cup winning squad and the only guarantee left is that it would not have been a World Cup winning squad.
As for Stan, I agree with POL http://67.18.37.18/1642/181/emo/rubeyes2.gif. I said already he could be our very own Mark Hughes (who had even less managerial experience. Results may be poor for a while but if I see the football becoming more positive and people trying their heart out then I'll be happy with it as a way forward.
Clinton Morrisson may be shite but no one tries more in a green jersey than him. If the likes of Nolan or Barton can be taken on board then that adds another level of quality to the side though I doubt either will ever line out for us.
afeencalleddan
16-02-2006, 04:01 PM
Barton and probably Nolan will be in the England squad as soon as Sven goes lads so we may as well forget it.
The big question is how is this a progression from Kerr? I don't see how it can be. They fire a guy who had some experience of management, and international management at that, albeit at underage level then they hire a guy who was a player-coach at Walsall. Now firing a guy is all very well but surely you then want to give yourself the best chance possible to make progress by hiring a guy with a bit more of a reputation in the game regardless of nationality. Do the FAI do that? Nah, they hire a guy with fuck all experience and reputation (not to mention his dubious involvement in the Saipan affair) and give an ambiguous position to Bobby Robson just to add extra confusion. Surely it should be the other way around - appoint the master and let the apprentice learn from him but of course the FAI have to turn it arse-ways.
It may all fall into Staunton's lap and he might be the greatest manager ever but I agree with Ham. We are going down a very dangerous route that could take years to recover from.
what experience had Jurgen Klinsman and Marco Van Basten? fuckall to speak of, look where they are now.
afeencalleddan
16-02-2006, 04:03 PM
what experience had Jurgen Klinsman and Marco Van Basten? fuckall to speak of, look where they are now.
They took time out to learn the trade properly, Staunton went to Walsall for fuck sake. Next...
May I add, they both played under seriously good tacticians, In Jurgen's case a world cup winning player and manager plus they were/are both gods of the game themselves and will command instant respect and recognition the world over. Staunton played under Jack Charlton and Mick McCarthy and is inheriting a squad that is much weaker than what those two had.
They took time out to learn the trade properly, Staunton went to Walsall for fuck sake. Next...
g'way biy, Van Basten was looking after the young fellas at Ajax, you are clutching at straws now, I'd bet money you wanted that prick Keane in the job
May I add, they both played under seriously good tacticians, In Jurgen's case a world cup winning player and manager plus they were/are both gods of the game themselves and will command instant respect and recognition the world over. Staunton played under Jack Charlton and Mick McCarthy and is inheriting a squad that is much weaker than what those two had.
that has nothing to do with this argument, we are talking about experience here
afeencalleddan
16-02-2006, 04:09 PM
I'd bet money you wanted that prick Keane in the job
Then you'd be a loser.
Ajax is a terrible environment to be in alright. Give me Walsall any day.
Then you'd be a loser.
Ajax is a terrible environment to be in alright. Give me Walsall any day.
Ajax, living on past Glory's and struggling in a shite league. but thats neither here nor there, and it won't deflect from the issue of "managerial experience"
Murdock
16-02-2006, 04:15 PM
what experience had Jurgen Klinsman and Marco Van Basten? fuckall to speak of, look where they are now.
The Germans qualify for the WC automatically as hosts.
afeencalleddan
16-02-2006, 04:20 PM
that has nothing to do with this argument, we are talking about experience here
It has everything to do with this argument. You can't compare Van Basten and Klinnsmann with Staunton. They came from countries where the footballing environment is far superior to here at all levels. As players they played under true masters of the game and obviously learned an awful lot from them. Klinnsmann in particular took time to learn certain aspects of coaching and management and obviously prepared himself for a career in management. Staunton hadn't even properly retired as a player and was learning off Paul Merson who's only a novice himself. Staunton's level of inexperience and preparation is at a far lower level than MVB and JK.
The Germans qualify for the WC automatically as hosts.
thats not the point
MonTheHoops
16-02-2006, 04:22 PM
It has everything to do with this argument. You can't compare Van Basten and Klinnsmann with Staunton. They came from countries where the footballing environment is far superior to here at all levels. As players they played under true masters of the game and obviously learned an awful lot from them. Klinnsmann in particular took time to learn certain aspects of coaching and management and obviously prepared himself for a career in management. Staunton hadn't even properly retired as a player and was learning off Paul Merson who's only a novice himself. Staunton's level of inexperience and preparation is at a far lower level than MVB and JK.
then in that case you cannot expect too much from Ireland either. If their national team and it's managers is a by-product of their country's footballing environment then what can we honestly expect of ours.
It has everything to do with this argument. You can't compare Van Basten and Klinnsmann with Staunton. They came from countries where the footballing environment is far superior to here at all levels.Sorry, what country did Staunton spend his playing careeer in again?
As players they played under true masters of the game and obviously learned an awful lot from them. Klinnsmann in particular took time to learn certain aspects of coaching and management and obviously prepared himself for a career in management
Thats complete heresay, Evidence please?
The Full Ham
16-02-2006, 04:25 PM
Any muppet with some idea of what he was at, could achieve something with a squad like that, a more telling comparison would El Tel's time at leeds, remind me again how that went
so you are quoting one club? one club as his entire managerial career in focus.
Ofcourse you are cherrypicking. While your at it have a lamp at his FA cup at spurs, his 3rd in the league and quater final of a euro cup winners cup. His winning the league with barcelona and correct me if I'm wrong on this, his success at QPR (FA cup final and promotion from division 2 allthough I might be worng on that)
Yah a crap manager. But still a little more silverware than Stan.
Out da Lough Like
16-02-2006, 04:27 PM
It has everything to do with this argument. You can't compare Van Basten and Klinnsmann with Staunton. They came from countries where the footballing environment is far superior to here at all levels. As players they played under true masters of the game and obviously learned an awful lot from them. Klinnsmann in particular took time to learn certain aspects of coaching and management and obviously prepared himself for a career in management. Staunton hadn't even properly retired as a player and was learning off Paul Merson who's only a novice himself. Staunton's level of inexperience and preparation is at a far lower level than MVB and JK.
The footballing environment in this country is in great form. The soccer environment is however, fucked.
As long as Gaelic Football, Hurling, and Rugby continue to take the cream of young talent the FAI will be living on scraps, and hence the "national" soccer team will forever be a novelty, beloved of the beer bellied "fans" who sit on bar stools in "Da Soob-Mar-Ee-In" in "Croom-I-Lin," and shout at the TV whole pouring beer down their necks and proudly wearing their Sir Anthony O'Reilly Sponsored Replica "Oireland" Jerseys.
"Oireland, Oireland.....Ree-Pubble-Ick of Oireland"
Thanks be to fuck we will be able to enjoy the World Cup this summer without having to put up with all those losers.
so you are quoting one club? one club as his entire managerial career in focus.
Ofcourse you are cherrypicking. While your at it have a lamp at his FA cup at spurs, his 3rd in the league and quater final of a euro cup winners cup. His winning the league with barcelona and correct me if I'm wrong on this, his success at QPR (FA cup final and promotion from division 2 allthough I might be worng on that)
Yah a crap manager. But still a little more silverware than Stan.
What about Crystal Palace?
The comparison with Leeds reflects the level of talent he is dealing with, you are attributing super human powers to him based on the back of talented squads, I have to laugh at this idea of "yeah, biy, get EL Tel in, that all we have to do to win". Complete and utter horseshit
afeencalleddan
16-02-2006, 04:31 PM
then in that case you cannot expect too much from Ireland either. If their national team and it's managers is a by-product of their country's footballing environment then what can we honestly expect of ours.
All I'm saying is that it's very dangerous to throw a guy who's in-experienced and more importantly UNPREPARED into managing an international side that's never going to have big enough resources to constantly compete against the best in the world. To an extent, it's OK for Germany and Holland to take certain risks because there is an endless supply of quality footballers but in the smaller countries it's very important to have people with know how running the show particularly when there's a lack of real top quality players available. That's the most worrying thing, we've got a guy with absolute zero reputation as a manager at a time when the future doesn't look too bright in terms of finding players.
The Full Ham
16-02-2006, 04:34 PM
What about Crystal Palace?
The comparison with Leeds reflects the level of talent he is dealing with, you are attributing super human powers to him based on the back of talented squads, I have to laugh at this idea of "yeah, biy, get EL Tel in, that all we have to do to win". Complete and utter horseshit
no thats not the point. The point is he has a far better track record than stan. Listen I really don't give monkeys as long as ireland do well. but i can only see that happening if we give ourselves the best chance. With the FAI hiring stan that chance is now gone.
el Tel, mickey mouse, donald duck anyone with a decent track record....thats all
With the FAI hiring stan that chance is now gone.
Based on what evidence?
MonTheHoops
16-02-2006, 04:56 PM
One thing's for sure; however hard his job was initially it has been made doubly hard now because he's apparently finished before he started.
MonTheHoops
16-02-2006, 04:58 PM
That's the most worrying thing, we've got a guy with absolute zero reputation as a manager at a time when the future doesn't look too bright in terms of finding players.
We're never going to attract a top quality manager if our future doesn't look too bright on the player front. I'm not dancing reels over Staunton being appointed but who else was realistically in the frame?
Out da Lough Like
16-02-2006, 05:00 PM
We're never going to attract a top quality manager if our future doesn't look too bright on the player front. I'm not dancing reels over Staunton being appointed but who else was realistically in the frame?
What about Kenny Dalglish?
Or even John Aldridge, he has more experience in management then Steve Staunton, and he got to a cup final.
afeencalleddan
16-02-2006, 05:06 PM
We're never going to attract a top quality manager if our future doesn't look too bright on the player front. I'm not dancing reels over Staunton being appointed but who else was realistically in the frame?
I agree that there must have been a limited amount of candidates but there must have been somebody that they could have gone after with more of a reputation than Staunton. I don't think it's that much of a poisoned chalice at the moment.
The Full Ham
16-02-2006, 05:06 PM
Based on what evidence?
Based on the lack of evidence, as in Stans lack of a managerial career.
MonTheHoops
16-02-2006, 05:09 PM
What about Kenny Dalglish?
Or even John Aldridge, he has more experience in management then Steve Staunton, and he got to a cup final.
Kenny Dalglish is one of the most over-rated managers going.
Inherited a fantastic Liverpool side who he needed to do very little with.
Like I said, I'm not dancing jigs over Staunton being signed but some people are talking about us needing a World Class or Top Class manager to get our lads to play properly and the fact of the matter is that they are not going to want the Ireland job.
John Aldridge would have been a better option alright but not by an awful lot.
afeencalleddan
16-02-2006, 05:15 PM
some people are talking about us needing a World Class or Top Class manager.
Not true - there's a difference between a world class manager and a shrewd but affordable one. I don't think anybody expects us to be able to pay any manager we want.
Lamps
16-02-2006, 05:17 PM
.
Inherited a fantastic Liverpool side who he needed to do very little with.
Wrong
inherited the 86 double team, dismantled it and built the best team seen in English football until Jose arrived. Barnes,Beardsley,Ald o,Houghton etc
think before you write
MonTheHoops
16-02-2006, 05:22 PM
Wrong
inherited the 86 double team, dismantled it and built the best team seen in English football until Jose arrived. Barnes,Beardsley,Ald o,Houghton etc
think before you write
I did. He did build a good side but once the shit hit the fan he bolted and left it in disarray.
Fast forward to Blackburn - shit hits the fan and he's out.
Fast forward to Celtic where he spent most of his days golfing. Shit hits the fan.......
How long do you think he'd remain as Ireland manager.
I said he's over-rated and I said he inherited a very good Liverpool side. Where am I wrong?
Lamps
16-02-2006, 05:28 PM
I said he's over-rated and I said he inherited a very good Liverpool side. Where am I wrong?
maybe overated, probably past it
you said he inherited a good liverpool side so he had little to do . in fact he inherited an ageing team, dismantled it and built a completely new better one.
Lamps
16-02-2006, 05:33 PM
just checked
Liverpool 86: Grobbelaar, Lawrenson, Beglin, Nicol, Whelan, Hansen, Dalglish, Johnston, Rush, Molby, MacDonald
Liverpool 87 Grobbelaar,Venison ,Gillespie,Hansen,Ni col,Houghton,McMahon Whelan,Barnes,Beards ley,Aldridge
MonTheHoops
16-02-2006, 05:33 PM
maybe overated, probably past it
you said he inherited a good liverpool side so he had little to do . in fact he inherited an ageing team, dismantled it and built a completely new better one.
Ok fair point. He did inherit a good Liverpool side and continued their momentum and he left the Beast with an extremely tough job even though he himself did his very best to fuck it up as only the Beast knows how.
He did a decent job at Blackburn albeit bankrolled and he did a brutal job at Celtic considering the money that was given to him/his puppet.
He's made his money and has done it all - Though a legend in my eyes, I doubt Ireland's qualification, even as manager, would be a defining point of his career.
Staunton and Aldridge were in reality two of only a small handful of choices and the FAI chose Staunton. I thought Aldridge would have done a better job but too many people are saying that he shouldn't have been appointed.
There were not very many alternatives.
MonTheHoops
16-02-2006, 05:37 PM
just checked
Liverpool 86: Grobbelaar, Lawrenson, Beglin, Nicol, Whelan, Hansen, Dalglish, Johnston, Rush, Molby, MacDonald
Liverpool 87 Grobbelaar,Venison ,Gillespie,Hansen,Ni col,Houghton,McMahon Whelan,Barnes,Beards ley,Aldridge
Lamps,
The likes of Houghton and Barnes were, at the time, making waves at Oxford long before Liverpool signed them. They weren't exactly plucked from obscurity.
I realise he reassembled the squad but doesn't every manager have to do the same.
During the 80s Liverpool had the choice of basically any player they wanted in the world. It's not that difficult a task picking and choosing the best players in the country to go into your side.
AmadeusDC
16-02-2006, 05:42 PM
I remember reading somewhere that Kevin Nolan's Irish eligibility had passed. Himself and Kevin Gallen wanted to declare as Irish to have a chance at international level but Kerr never took a chance on either. Looks like a complete langer in hindsight for not giving Nolan a few minutes and tying him up for good. Nolan now would be a shoe in for the Irish team but even back a few years he was a starter in the Premier League and langer Kerr wouldn't even give him a run off the bench. I'd love if i was wrong but i definitely remember reading it. -AmadeusDC-
I remember reading somewhere that Kevin Nolan's Irish eligibility had passed. Himself and Kevin Gallen wanted to declare as Irish to have a chance at international level but Kerr never took a chance on either. Looks like a complete langer in hindsight for not giving Nolan a few minutes and tying him up for good. Nolan now would be a shoe in for the Irish team but even back a few years he was a starter in the Premier League and langer Kerr wouldn't even give him a run off the bench. I'd love if i was wrong but i definitely remember reading it. -AmadeusDC-
Yeah, I think there was an amnesty a few years back for any players who had played at underage level to change countries, but Nolan never got a look in.
Shame really, cos he's been outstanding this season.
MonTheHoops
16-02-2006, 05:48 PM
Yeah, I think there was an amnesty a few years back for any players who had played at underage level to change countries, but Nolan never got a look in.
Shame really, cos he's been outstanding this season.
I could be wrong, but I think once they hit 26 it's scrapped. Don't know Nolan's age though.
I could be wrong, but I think once they hit 26 it's scrapped. Don't know Nolan's age though.
That could be it actually.
Fat Tom
16-02-2006, 05:50 PM
I could be wrong, but I think once they hit 26 it's scrapped. Don't know Nolan's age though.
He's 24.
But surely not as good as Alan Quinn!!!!
devilman
16-02-2006, 05:56 PM
Himself and Kevin Gallen wanted to declare as Irish to have a chance at international level
Kevin Gallen burnt his bridges with us years ago, we were after him from the moment he broke into the QPR 1st team, he wanted to play for england then, and told us where to go.
Based on the lack of evidence, as in Stans lack of a managerial career.
That statement is fundamentally wrong
The Full Ham
17-02-2006, 02:44 PM
That statement is fundamentally wrong
FFS would you hire a guy to perform a surgery if he was trained as a nurse?
FFS would you hire a guy to perform a surgery if he was trained as a nurse?
interesting comparison ham, but unfortunately, it doesn't reflect the situation we are dealing with.
PS I done some checking on Klinnsman last night, he has not got the slightest bit of managerial experience and has admitted that. Do you think the Germans should have got someone else?
afeencalleddan
17-02-2006, 02:49 PM
Ah lads can't we leave this one rest? Ham and I are worried for the future. POL and Mon want to give Stan a chance. Let's let it be. I can't believe I got sucked into wasting such an amount of time yesterday. It's not worth it.
Ah lads can't we leave this one rest? Ham and I are worried for the future. POL and Mon want to give Stan a chance. Let's let it be. I can't believe I got sucked into wasting such an amount of time yesterday. It's not worth it.
what we need is a good Roy Keane debate
MonTheHoops
17-02-2006, 03:07 PM
Ah lads can't we leave this one rest? Ham and I are worried for the future. POL and Mon want to give Stan a chance. Let's let it be. I can't believe I got sucked into wasting such an amount of time yesterday. It's not worth it.
I said it already - if it were me choosing he wouldn't be manager, but now that he's there and there's nothing can be done then why not back him and let him, at the very least, prove the begrudgers right.
afeencalleddan
17-02-2006, 03:20 PM
begrudgers
It's not about begrudgery. I just think it's a very risky appointment at a very important time for the international team. I still hope the team does well and makes some sort of progress but I think the odds are stacked against that happening. That's my view now. Maybe in two years it'll be different.
My personal opinion of Staunton is that he stuck his nose in where he shouldn't have in Saipan. He seems a very dour character as well but then so have most Irish managers and a lot of successful managers all over the world in the past so that probably won't be much of an issue.
MonTheHoops
17-02-2006, 03:30 PM
It's not about begrudgery. I just think it's a very risky appointment at a very important time for the international team. I still hope the team does well and makes some sort of progress but I think the odds are stacked against that happening. That's my view now. Maybe in two years it'll be different.
Ok. Being realistic about it (in my opinion) the only other real candidate for the job was John Aldridge who was, rightly, aggrieved to not even have been interviewed.
However, having worked in a previous company in which we had a lot of contact with Aldo, I can just say that the guy has a finger in an awful lot of pies and perhaps the Ireland job would just be something to stick a foot into.
Staunton doesn't appeal to me at all but some of the better managers over time have been dour fuckers and, admit it or not, at one point he was our best player and a consistent 8 out of 10 guy. At the very least I think he'll give his all to the cause, something I wouldn't expect from Aldo.
afeencalleddan
09-10-2006, 04:32 PM
Bumpitty bump.
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