FA Cup Saturday: Pool Vs Utd Match Thread

[Fat Tom]

Well lads predictions.

United will struggle in the centre of the Park with Sissoko on Form.
Gerrard (if right) will give Evra problems - think Fergie should go with Silvestre for this tie and stick to his attack minded quarter of Ronaldo Fletcher Giggs and Park.

Otherwise I'd slot Rooney into midfield with the form Saha is in.

Both games have been poor this season so lets hope its 3rd time lucky.

1-0 United, Gary Neville with the winner at the Kop end.

[Lamps]

and so it begins.

i have a feeling united will do it though.

[Out da Lough Like]

I have a feeling it will be a draw.

I can't see United losing, but then again, the bindippers will raise their game, although the signs of fatique were obvious again last night against a mediocre Arsenal team.

Unted, fully rested, and in their current form are a completely different proposition to Arsenal, although in these kind of grudge games (especially after the result at the Wastelands) nothing can be taken for granted.


1-1, Liverpool to score first.

[Fat Tom]

i have a feeling united will do it though.

With Neville scoring the winner?

I think it will go to replay.

[STEVIEG]

United should have some semblance of a midfield on display this time but it will most likely be tight again with whoever scoring first winning.
0-0 or a one nil victory either way hopefully to United but it will be tough

[shammy feen]

My moneys on a narrow united win, maybe 1-0.

Followed by about 7 different Liverpool related threads being started on here the following day....

Oh and Philby not surfacing until the artillery has stopped, maybe the following tuesday or so....


heh heh heh...;)

[Fat Tom]

It would be funny if Neville scored the winner though.

[Out da Lough Like]

With Neville scoring the winner?

I think it will go to replay.


Hopefully.


Drag the bindippers back to Old Trafford again, and throw another fixture into their schedule.

[Teknique]

Re: Neville
I am so looking forward to the abuse the cunt will get Saturday Morning

[Fat Tom]

Re: Nevile
I am so looking forward to the abuse the cunt will get Saturday Morning

I know yeah, i also can't wait for the Football365 diary after it.
It'll be funny in all fairness.

Sure he drew it on himself.

[Out da Lough Like]

I had to listen to another one of these alleged Liverpool "fans" blurt out the following yesterday:


"I hope God scores into the Kop end against the manc bastards, I loved the way he did his "five" goal celebration for City."







Fucking ignorant tossers, with no clue of the rules of the competition.

[Rebelred]

0-0 midday snoozefest

[DJ Silent]

Liverpool to win, 2-1

[afeencalleddan]

Hopefully it will be an antidote to the rubbish served up in the two league games. Let's have a 5 goal thriller please lads.

[xvis]

United should win, but i've a bad feeling about it.

..although I've another vision of Gary Neville running from the halfway line, playing a 1-2 with Ruud taking him into the box and slamming one in at the kop end, ..followed by his momentum unwittingly taking him beyond and over the advertising hoardings and taking out 20 scousers! ..aaagh the magic of the cup.


but I'd take a draw and bring them back to OT.

[afeencalleddan]

but I'd take a draw and bring them back to OT.

Down with that sort of mentality. Fuck replays, gung ho rules!

[Paddy Wagon]

2-1 Utd Saha to score the winner, after Gerrard cancels out an RVN tap in..

[Eoin]

but I'd take a draw and bring them back to OT.

To be honest, I'd rather the pool lost than it was a draw. the last thing the team needs is another fixture. They're fucked as it is.

[Rebelred]

To be honest, I'd rather the pool lost than it was a draw. the last thing the team needs is another fixture. They're fucked as it is.
busy period now for the pool alright,long season behind them already

[Eoin]

busy period now for the pool alright,long season behind them already

Yeah, and that's before the CL starts back again.

They look really tired at the moment.

[markyd007]

think united will win 1-0, pool will have one eye on benfica.

[Rolo Feen]

rooney will end his scoring "drought" on saturday i'd say.
probably end up 1-0, or 1-1.
liverpool have a tight defense so united will have to be at the top of their game to score more and get the win.

i hope we do it though.
smithy to play a blinder in midfield.

[POL]

this could be a 0-0 cracker, I can't wait

[Philby]

United to win by a one goal margin because frankly this game means more to them. Liverpool's main aims are nicking 2nd place & having a decent crack at retaining the European cup. While Liverpool-Man Utd games are always big games (and worthy of winning) I feel that Liverpool may not go for it full pelt with the Benfica first leg so soon afterwards.

Liverpool - 1 (Kewell)
United - 2 (RVN, Ronaldo)

[Superdave]

whatever happens i think LIverpool will want it decided on the day.

Bigger fish to fry ;-)

[bricktop]

lets see if united do score and some scouse weasels run up to the nearest copper to complain about the goal celebrations.:)

[storysham]

1-2

[Del]

Neville and Fowler to score, the extacy followed by the agony

[Arbuckle]

It would be funny if Neville scored the winner though.


Not as funny as the other twat scoring that late winner a few weeks back.
Chances are that the Pool will dominate most of the game and fail to score more than once if they score atall atall whilst Manure will come thru with a jammy late leveler\winner!

[Fat Tom]

Neville and Fowler to score, the extacy followed by the agony

Fitzy

[Teknique]

I think we build it up waaaaay to much on here , like the 2 league games
biggest anti-climax's of the year , hopefully not more of the same here due to it bein a cup tie

[Eoin]

I think we build it up waaaaay to much on here , like the 2 league games
biggest anti-climax's of the year , hopefully not more of the same here due to it bein a cup tie

Yeah, the 2 league games this year were pathetic.

[Fat Tom]

Second one better than the first.
Surely that means the 3rd will be better than the 2nd.
Cracker!

These games need an early goal.

[Rebel Yell]

I fancy us to beat the pool 1-0. having said that, i don't expect a cracker in any shape or form.....hard to get too excited about the game these days!!!

[Rebelred]

Paddy Power odds

Pool 11-8
United 7-4
Draw 2-1

[Rebelred]

I think we build it up waaaaay to much on here , like the 2 league games
biggest anti-climax's of the year , hopefully not more of the same here due to it bein a cup tie
yeah,hence my 0-0 prediction.think both teams nearly nullify each other. by playing down the hype,we therefore ensure we get a 7 goal thriller! 7-0 to united that is ;)

[Teknique]

The storm over Gary Neville's antics in last month's encounter between Manchester United and Liverpool is building up again ahead of the FA Cup rematch on Saturday.

Football Association officials are anxious that the England defender curbs his enthusiasm when The Red Devils travel to Anfield, so as not to further rile the Liverpool supporters.

Neville's celebrations at Manchester United's late winner at Old Trafford incensed the visiting fans to such an extent that he was charged with misconduct.

Now, with the two fierce rivals set to meet again, and memories of Neville's behaviour still fresh in the memory, FA chiefs are attempting to take the sting out of the situation by delaying his hearing until next Tuesday.

Referee Howard Webb, meanwhile, is set to issue the right back with an unprecedented personal warning prior to kick off to ensure things do not get out of control during the game.

However, United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has accused the FA compliance unit of having an anti-United agenda, a sentiment echoed by former youth team coach Eric Harrison, who helped bring Neville to prominence.

"The FA targeted him because he is a United player. It's absolutely crazy," Harrison said.

"Gary will come through the Liverpool test, no problem."


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[dotty]

should united score first and early i think we could have a really good cup tie because united wont sit back and defend the lead for the remainder of the game (frankly we cant) - the pool will be forced to attack which should open things up.

[Philby]

Yip, the old drunk has finally lost it. What is he on about?


Ferguson heaps praise on Benitez

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41341000/jpg/_41341526_ferguson20 3.jpg Ferguson is a big fan of Benitez

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has expressed his admiration for Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez ahead of Saturday's FA Cup fifth round tie.
"I enjoyed his company in the last Uefa coaches' seminar, it was good," Ferguson told www.leaguemanagers.c om (http://www.leaguemanagers.c om).

"We sat beside each other on the coach going to the meeting and I think he's a straightforward guy. That's good to see and it does your players good.
"They can see the quality of the person - success has not changed him."

And Ferguson added: "We don't like to see people changing within our own confines.

"I don't like to see United players change and I'm sure that Rafael is the same. He doesn't want to see his players change. "Managers like Rafael put the marker down about what they are and hopefully it transfers itself to the players."

[Philby]

should united score first and early i think we could have a really good cup tie because united wont sit back and defend the lead for the remainder of the game (frankly we cant) - the pool will be forced to attack which should open things up.

Well they effectively sat back and defended 0-0 draws for very long periods in both league games this season. Make no mistake about it. When the games against the big boys roll around Fergie tosses this notion of a swashbuckling, ultra-attacking United firmly out the window in favour of grinding out results.

[FL4ZGN]

Yip, the old drunk has finally lost it. What is he on about?


Ferguson heaps praise on Benitez

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41341000/jpg/_41341526_ferguson20 3.jpg Ferguson is a big fan of Benitez

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has expressed his admiration for Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez ahead of Saturday's FA Cup fifth round tie.
"I enjoyed his company in the last Uefa coaches' seminar, it was good," Ferguson told www.leaguemanagers.c om (http://www.leaguemanagers.c om).

"We sat beside each other on the coach going to the meeting and I think he's a straightforward guy. That's good to see and it does your players good.
"They can see the quality of the person - success has not changed him."

And Ferguson added: "We don't like to see people changing within our own confines.

"I don't like to see United players change and I'm sure that Rafael is the same. He doesn't want to see his players change. "Managers like Rafael put the marker down about what they are and hopefully it transfers itself to the players."


The wizzard is doing what he does best, just ask Kevin Keegan.

[FL4ZGN]

Well they effectively sat back and defended 0-0 draws for very long periods in both league games this season. Make no mistake about it. When the games against the big boys roll around Fergie tosses this notion of a swashbuckling, ultra-attacking United firmly out the window in favour of grinding out results.


Last 11 games against the top three sides.

WON 7
DREW 3
LOST 1

Wizzard knows best.

[Philby]

The wizzard is doing what he does best, just ask Kevin Keegan.

It must have taken quite the intellect to get old Kevo riled. He's know for being quite a clear-thinker and not at all overly-emotional.

Will wizzard actually win anything of note this season?

[Langer Dan]

Re: Neville
I am so looking forward to the abuse the cunt will get Saturday Morning

SaID LIKE A TRUE FUCKING IDIOT.


I hope he scores the winner now,

moron.

[Rebelred]

Philby I think he's on about Benitez not letting success go to the players heads.

The perfect example of this is Dwight Yorke.Won the treble and was never the same player again unfortunately

[FL4ZGN]

It must have taken quite the intellect to get old Kevo riled. He's know for being quite a clear-thinker and not at all overly-emotional.

Will wizzard actually win anything of note this season?

Ahem i think chances are he may well indeed do.

1980 Scottish Premier League - Winner
1982 Scottish League Cup - Winner
1982 Scottish F.A. Cup - Winner
1983 Scottish F.A. Cup - Winner
1983 European Cup Winners Cup - Winner
1984 Scottish F.A. Cup - Winner
1984 Scottish Premier League - Winner
1985 Scottish Premier League - Winner
1986 Scottish FA Cup - Winner
1990 F.A. Cup - Winner
1991 European Cup Winners Cup - Winner
1991 European Super Cup - Winner
1992 League Cup - Winner
1993 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1994 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1994 F.A. Cup - Winner
1996 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1996 F.A. Cup - Winner
1997 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1999 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1999 F.A. Cup - Winner
1999 European Champions League - Winner
1999 Intercontinental Cup - Winner
2000 F.A. Premier League - Winner
2001 F.A. Premier League - Winner
2003 F.A. Premier League - Winner
2004 F.A. Cup - Winner

BTW i forgot to mention that the Wizzard is indeed a Winner

[Fat Tom]

It must have taken quite the intellect to get old Kevo riled. He's know for being quite a clear-thinker and not at all overly-emotional.

Will wizzard actually win anything of note this season?

Will Rafa?

[Fat Tom]

Well they effectively sat back and defended 0-0 draws for very long periods in both league games this season. Make no mistake about it. When the games against the big boys roll around Fergie tosses this notion of a swashbuckling, ultra-attacking United firmly out the window in favour of grinding out results.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Liverpool - the most free flowing attacking side in Europe!

[Philby]

Ahem i think chances are he may well indeed do.

2004 F.A. Cup - Winner

BTW i forgot to mention that the Wizzard is indeed a Winner

Long time ago now, will the ManUSA Rowdies top brass tolerate another barren season of stagnaton from Fergie?

[Rebelred]

Long time ago now
clutching at straws.
Newcastle won a trophy a long time ago now.
we went 26 years without winning the league,thats a long time, a bit like 16 years is.
Chelsea hadnt won the league in 50 years, thats a long time ago.
2 years is not a long time.

[FL4ZGN]

we went 26 years without winning the league,.

And a full house every week

[FL4ZGN]

Long time ago now, will the ManUSA Rowdies top brass tolerate another barren season of stagnaton from Fergie?


Barren season?

Finishing third and getting beaten in the FA Cup final on penalties?

Sure if Liverpool had that last season they would have been delighted.

[ho chi feen]

I'm going to go with a 1-0 for United.

[Loftydog]

I'm going to go with a 1-0 for United.

Colchester to win at chelsea?

[ho chi feen]

Well they effectively sat back and defended 0-0 draws for very long periods in both league games this season. Make no mistake about it. When the games against the big boys roll around Fergie tosses this notion of a swashbuckling, ultra-attacking United firmly out the window in favour of grinding out results.


Revisionism at its best.

[Philby]

Barren season?

Finishing third and getting beaten in the FA Cup final on penalties?

Sure if Liverpool had that last season they would have been delighted.

I'd trade that in two seconds alright. Forget about that pesky little European Cup thing, Istanbul was no fun anyway. What a WUM.

By United's standards the last 2 seasons have been decidedly below par. If you can't see that then maybe that's an illustration of how far expectations have fallen in the past few years with the London teams easily outperforming United to take two consecutive league titles. United have also done f*ck all in Europe in recent memory (that balmy barcelona night is a dim & distant memory now).

Ho Chi - I expressed this opinion (about the 2 United V Pool games) and the time and stand by them (especially the 2nd game where Liverpool were very unlucky to come away without at least a point to show for their efforts.

[FL4ZGN]

I'd trade that in two seconds alright. Forget about that pesky little European Cup thing, Istanbul was no fun anyway. What a WUM.

By United's standards the last 2 seasons have been decidedly below par. If you can't see that then maybe that's an illustration of how far expectations have fallen in the past few years with the London teams easily outperforming United to take two consecutive league titles. United have also done f*ck all in Europe in recent memory (that balmy barcelona night is a dim & distant memory now).



No wumming here lad.

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[Del]

Long time ago now, will the ManUSA Rowdies top brass tolerate another barren season of stagnaton from Fergie?

Yes

[Philby]

No wumming here lad.

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It was complete wummery lad. Which would you prefer next season?

1. Finishing third and getting beaten in the FA Cup final
2. Finishing fifth and winning the European Cup

I'd take option 2 every time. For you to suggest that anyone would want option one is madness

[Fat Tom]

It was complete wummery lad. Which would you prefer next season?

1. Finishing third and getting beaten in the FA Cup final
2. Finishing fifth and winning the European Cup

I'd take option 2 every time. For you to suggest that anyone would want option one is madness

I don't think anyone can deny option 2 is better.
I would however be worried if a team of our class finished outside top 5.
The "fortunate" Champions League Victory papered over a lot of Liverpool's cracks on a poor league season - but it was the manager's first and he has rectified a lot of those.

For United to finish under 3rd in the Premiership would be a disaster and the fans wouldn't be happy, however again a champions League victory would paper over some of the cracks. But I'd be really worried if we finished that low. Especially to the likes of Everton.

SAying that I dunno why both teams are bitching about who's better here - Chelsea are the landmark and whatever position we finish below them still won't be good enough for United fans this season.

[dotty]

FERNANDO MORIENTES insists Liverpool players will never copy Gary Neville’s taunting goal celebrations.

wishful thinking on your part fernando.

[xvis]

liverpool'll probably sit back and defend as they won't want to be got out on the counter attack by United's superior firepower (have things not changed since 1996????!!!!), leading to a probably dull match on the pitch. but with 6,000 United supporters, and it being a cup game it should be better than the 2 league games. it'll be epic without being ..epic.

United to win, and a cup double to paper over a few cracks.

[Rebel Yell]

Agreed..Utd to win one-nil, and if we go to win both cups, and finish second in the league..I'll consider that a good wallpapering job for the season!!!

[Langer Dan]

id say we'l squeeze thru by a goal.

Early kick offs are nearly always cat tho.

Wheres everyone going watching it?

[Fat Tom]

Wheres everyone going watching it?

Wilton!

[Philby]

My match predictions

Gerrard to play off Crouch (as Xabi is out).

United to sit back and try to make it half-time without conceding and then progressively try to play a more offensive game.

Liverpool to have the lions share of posession and the better chances (with Hamann & Sissoko bossing midfield) but united to nick a winner.

Sissoko to crunch Fletcher on numerous occassions.

Gary Neville to be a moaning, stumpy, oompa-loompa-headed cnut.

[Langer Dan]

Wilton!

heh heh heh.

Seriously tho?

[Fat Tom]

At home during my "extened lunch break" that no one is going to know about.
Until I arrive back from lunch late and explain how my car "broke down".

I've a feeling it'll be a cracker.
An early United Goal would do the trick in that regard.

[Jim Comic]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N151496060217-1357.htm

[ho chi feen]

Ho Chi - I expressed this opinion (about the 2 United V Pool games) and the time and stand by them (especially the 2nd game where Liverpool were very unlucky to come away without at least a point to show for their efforts.

Just because Liverpool had us under the cosh for a long period of the game doesn't mean we were holding out for a nil-all. That's football, when the other team is on top you have to defend. As for the first game, I'm utterly unconvinced.

Also I note that you've sad we do this against all the top teams, well from memory, I can recallo us hammering Arsenal at highbury, playing them off the park at the Milenium stadium, the 2-2 draw in 2003 and countless others.

On the other hand, I can also recall Arsenal playing for penalties in Cardiff, employing damaged limitation as the battle of Old Trafford when they didn't even have a shot on target, the 2-0 in 2004 where they also failed to have a single shot on target, and their cowardly defensive display at Highbury this season, where they played for a nil-all and showed about as much ambition as Matthew Le Tissier.

Your argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny, as the facts show.

[FL4ZGN]

Chelsea are the landmark and whatever position we finish below them still won't be good enough for United fans this season.

Currently 12 points behind. We have dropped 10 since St Stephens day. Considering the amount of injuries we have had this season, get us a half decent midfield player and we are on equal par.


BTW Giggs to play in the middle tomorrow and to win MOTM. Watch him scare the pants off Gerrard and Sissoko.

[Fairly Looney]

Liverpool to win, based on the fact that they are better that ManU. !!!!!!
3-0, a aht-trick for the young Fowler lad.

[singular]

Utd to win,i couldnt even attempt to predict by how much,i just hope its a good open game.

[xvis]

Liverpool to win, based on the fact that they are better that ManU. !!!!!!
3-0, a aht-trick for the young Fowler lad.

class post. you do know Fowler is cup-tied and won't be on the field?!

[storysham]

Liverpool to win, based on the fact that they are better that ManU. !!!!!!
3-0, a aht-trick for the young Fowler lad.

You gowl, God is cup tied. the fucking bindipper will watch da pool gat bate at home from the stands.

[xvis]

..the early kick off should suit United more..

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41332000/jpg/_41332276_whitesuits 203.jpg

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[northmallexile]

0-0 draw or United to win with a jammy late goal. Unfortunately. But then, I'm not in the best of form this morning, so I'm feeling pessimistic.

Any way of listening to it online, does anyone know? I'll only be out of here in time for the last 10 mins.

[xvis]

Any way of listening to it online, does anyone know? I'll only be out of here in time for the last 10 mins.

you're in the UK right? then you can listen to the BBC radio commentary which is only available online in the UK.
they're be a 'listen now' link on this page when the game starts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/default.stm

..otherwise, textual blow by blow updates on http://www.sportinglife.com/

[northmallexile]

you're in the UK right? then you can listen to the BBC radio commentary which is only available online in the UK.
they're be a 'listen now' link on this page when the game starts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/default.stm

..otherwise, textual blow by blow updates on http://www.sportinglife.com/

No, I'm in Cork. I think it'll be live updates for me.

[Jim Comic]

Rafa Benitez has made 3 changes to his side for today's Fa Cup 5th Round clash with Manchester United at Anfield.
Pepe Reina is back in goal after serving a 3 match ban for his sending off at Chelsea and Dietmar Hamann and Peter Crouch return in place of cup-tied Robbie Fowler and injured Xabi Alonso.
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Liverpool haven't beat Manchester United in the FA Cup for 85 years, but Rafa has played a strong hand in his attempt to change that.
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Liverpool, Reina, Riise, Carragher, Hyypia, Finnan, Gerrard, Hamann, Kewell, Sissoko, Crouch, Morientes. Subs - Dudek, Garcia, Cisse, Traore, Krompkamp.
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Manchester United line up as follows:
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Van der Sar, Neville, Vidic, Brown, Silvestre, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Richardson, Giggs, Rooney, Van Nistelrooy.

[Jim Comic]

1-0 (crouch)

[DrH.]

ohh ya

[northmallexile]

0-0 draw or United to win with a jammy late goal. Unfortunately. But then, I'm not in the best of form this morning, so I'm feeling pessimistic.


I've rarely felt so good about being wrong. Could all still go pear-shaped of course.

[Jim Comic]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/4724088.stm

[xvis]

garbage from united so far ..absolutely no shape whatsoever.

..and the ref didn't help in the opening quarter.

[Jim Comic]

saha on for silvestre

[Jim Comic]

ft 1-0

[CHANCE]

well liverpool are going to win this one unless somehing unreal happens. Alan smith has done some serious damage to his leg by the looks of things.

[Jim Comic]

thought sissoko had a great game

[jungle]

Alan smith has done some serious damage to his leg by the looks of things.

Judging by the way his leg bent back when he went down, I'd reckon he could have snapped a tendon in his knee. That sort of inhury would have him out for the season.

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

No complaints, Utd had 70+ mins to come up with an answer and didnt do it. Fair play to pool, Smith broke his ankle by the look of it, or did a bit of damage. Thought the game would be better, united looked like they were thye ones 1-0 up.

[Jim Comic]

did reina have a serious save to make all game?

[Funkster]

Terrible , utd put a bit of pressure towards the end but the Liverpool defence were too strong. A few half chances , but over all not much.

Van's chance could have was prob the best chance.

Suppose Liverpool deserved to win. Smiths fall seems very serious alright. Prob out for a while now.

Grrrrgggh!!

[DrH.]

the lads on mutv are sayin vidic had a good game. its fuckin so funny.

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

Well he can always find work as David Coulthard impersonator.

Smith is out of being out of the squad. Fucks sake. Fletcher is good, ronaldo is a great winger when on form, but uniteds midfielder is such a shadow of what it was,, its not even funny

[Jim Comic]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4727816.stm

[diamond_dog]

Well at least that was a fair result. Having to hear all the shit after united's last 'fortunate' win over us in the league on this forum wasn't nice now its the Liverpool fans turn.

OK i will start. United were shite from start to finish thier only game plan seemed to be to stop Liverpool playing. The game was scrappy but i feel this is result that we deserved in this game and we should have got in the last game. Liverpool look to be going from strength to strength, while united are on a downward spiral.
Next job will be to overtake united in the league, win the FA cup and overcourse retain the champions league.

[xvis]

that's what you get when you try and play football without a midfield. Liverpool had shape and a good line along the middle. United had nothing. Shambles.

Rio was a loss. Neville was probably Uniteds best player and Saha and Van der Sar did okay. Rooney was anonymous. but i don't blame any of the players United have ..i blame the players they don't have.

I feel sorry for genuinely world class players (Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo and van Nistelrooy) consistently having to play 2 years in a side with an inept and non existant central midfield. Even when we play lunchtime kickabouts and family knockabouts after christenings and such, we play with recognised central midfielders. It's a disgrace and a waste of a decade and a halfs momentum.

[Jim Comic]

http://soccernet.espn.go.co m/report?id=194733&cc=5739

[ho chi feen]

3-0, a aht-trick for the young Fowler lad.

Fucking idiot here, 'la.

[ho chi feen]

Well he can always find work as David Coulthard impersonator.

Smith is out of being out of the squad. Fucks sake. Fletcher is good, ronaldo is a great winger when on form, but uniteds midfielder is such a shadow of what it was,, its not even funny

It's amazing that the tinkering with the squad that's led to United's current malaise began in 2001 because our midfield had been 'found out' in Europe. What I wouldn't give for a midfield half as good as the one we had then. What I wouldn't give to have Seba Verón in the team!

FFS Mockery.

[ho chi feen]

Rio was a loss. Neville was probably Uniteds best player and Saha and Van der Sar did okay. Rooney was anonymous. but i don't blame any of the players United have ..i blame the players they don't have.

That's a fair harsh charge to level at every professional footballer in the world plying their trade elsewhere!

[singular]

neville did have his moments where it looked like the crowd were getting to him,few stray passes etc.liverpool did deserve the points to be honest,and fair play to the liverpool physio for helping out with smith.

[aahjay]

That's a fair harsh charge to level at every professional footballer in the world plying their trade elsewhere!

I wonder if that includes our indoor 5-a-side team?

Surely us lot of wasters couldn't be to blame.

Could we?

[Jim Comic]

liverpool did deserve the points to be honest


if only points were awarded for cup games.....

[ho chi feen]

I wonder if that includes our indoor 5-a-side team?

Surely us lot of wasters couldn't be to blame.

Could we?

Yes.

Yes you could!

Other things that you're being blamed for: The Asian Earthquake, killing Bambi's mother, and the continuing existance of Leitrim.

[jungle]

Smith has

a dislocated ankle
a fractured left leg
possible ligament damage (they need the swelling from the other injuries to recede before they can assess, although it'd be hard to see how a dislocated ankle wouldn't lead to ligament damage).


Immediate estimate is out til November.

[Jim Comic]

http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsi d=306284&itype=466&icategoryid=120

[singular]

if only points were awarded for cup games.....

f***s sake,well spotted jim.im not with it.

[STEVIEG]

No complaints
Liverpool deserved their win
United's midfield is simply not even there and they had to be bypassed in the second half.
They were hoping for a Saha knock down and although i won't blame the desire of the players, the problems in midfield are clear to see. Liverpool had a quality player like Hamman to come in for Alonso, United are threadbare.
Liverpool were the better team and deserved to win.

[comred]

tremendous day all round. Great atmosphere. great result. Dont worry mancs there's always that micky mouse trophy to compete for.

[Jim Comic]

tremendous day all round. Great atmosphere. great result. Dont worry mancs there's always that micky mouse trophy to compete for.

oi! don't diss the league cup, lfc have won it 7 times


http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/lfc_story/honours/

[comred]

lol i dont diss it - i recall a certain banner the mancs had for visting reds in 2002 after we won our treble. and then again when we beat them in the final a year or so after....

[STEVIEG]

lol i dont diss it - i recall a certain banner the mancs had for visting reds in 2002 after we won our treble. and then again when we beat them in the final a year or so after....


It was a plastic treble then and it still is now
Even when United won the FA Cup in 2004 there was no hiding the facts that the League and the Champions league is where it's at, with the Fa Cup being the next on the list and the Carling Cup a very distant fourth

[Jim Comic]

It was a plastic treble then and it still is now


100% of managers and clubs in england would be glad to win those three trophies in one season. If you were to ask fergie right now if he'd like the uefa cup, league cup and f.a. cup in the trophy cabinet at the end of the season we all know there's only one answer he'd give.

[STEVIEG]

100% of managers and clubs in england would be glad to win those three trophies in one season. If you were to ask fergie right now if he'd like the uefa cup, league cup and f.a. cup in the trophy cabinet at the end of the season we all know there's only one answer he'd give.


But he wouldn't be calling it a "treble"
Liverpool is a great club and even many of their genuine fans were embarassed as some of their fans tried to compare that "Treble" to Uniteds
You enter the UEFA Cup because of being poor in the league
And yes, United are so poor in Europe this year that they didn't even get into that!
But calling it a reputable "Treble" was embarrassing but in fairness to Liverpool they came back and won a HUGE trophy in Istanbul (Respect)
But having people banging on about the Super Cup and stuff as real trophies is embarassing and distinctly smalltime and beneath a club of Liverpools stature

[Jim Comic]

But he wouldn't be calling it a "treble"
Liverpool is a great club and even many of their genuine fans were embarassed as some of their fans tried to compare that "Treble" to Uniteds
You enter the UEFA Cup because of being poor in the league
And yes, United are so poor in Europe this year that they didn't even get into that!
But calling it a reputable "Treble" was embarrassing but in fairness to Liverpool they came back and won a HUGE trophy in Istanbul (Respect)
But having people banging on about the Super Cup and stuff as real trophies is embarassing and distinctly smalltime and beneath a club of Liverpool stature



three of anything is a treble, that's just the english language


the super cup is just europe's equivalent to the charity shield, i feel sure it'll be on any clubs honours list though if they've won it, just as the charity shield would be.

[STEVIEG]

three of anything is a treble, that's just the english language


the super cup is just europe's equivalent to the charity shield, i feel sure it'll be on any clubs honours list though if they've won it, just as the charity shield would be.


Yeah fair enough
Anyway, it's no reflection on the current regime who have already bagged without doubt the biggest trophy in World club football and who realise that being judged on the league and the Champions league is the main thing
Although, in fairness to Houllier he has a shot at both of them this year to so fair play to him aswell!

[Jim Comic]

calling it a reputable "Treble" was embarrassing


what about the treble in '84, is that not reputable? I can't think of a single club or manager who would diss trophies won.

no-one is claiming the uefa cup is the same as the c.l (though in the old days it was considered the hardest to win because there were more rounds) but calling anything a plastic treble is just silly.

If Utd win the League cup next week will that be a plastic victory? It might not be as glorious as a european cup victory but it'll be in the history books nonetheless and may prove to be fergie's last bit of silver for the club and rightly added to his list of honours won.

[STEVIEG]

If Utd win the League cup next week will that be a plastic victory?


No but it will be pretty hollow compared to what they should be in the mix for!
Anyway, the only real significance will be for the likes of Rooney to get his career off to some degree of success Trophy wise but a major honour it ain't from where i'm standing

Anyway, back to the thread
Liverpool deserved the victory and are well positioned now in two Cups
Fair play to the majority of the fans and players who paid respect to the injured player too

[Jim Comic]

No but it will be pretty hollow compared to what they should be in the mix for!
Anyway, the only real significance will be for the likes of Rooney to get his career off to some degree of success Trophy wise


my point precisely, it's a trophy that proves useful to one degree or another in the grand scheme if things


on another tack: what time does the bodega open for brekkie tmrw do you know, im feckin' starving!!!!!!!!!

[Jim Comic]

No

exactly, so why the 'plastic treble' comments from man u fans? is there one law for them and another for everyone else?

[STEVIEG]

exactly, so why the 'plastic treble' comments from man u fans? is there one law for them and another for everyone else?


Sorry i meant yes
The League cup is plastic

[STEVIEG]

my point precisely, it's a trophy that proves useful to one degree or another in the grand scheme if things


on another tack: what time does the bodega open for brekkie tmrw do you know, im feckin' starving!!!!!!!!!


Heh heh think it's noon not sure!

[JonnyOnionRings]

exactly, so why the 'plastic treble' comments from man u fans? is there one law for them and another for everyone else?
there are trophies and there are trophies . i think any liverpool player would have handed over their treble medals for one premier league champions one without thinking twice about

[Jim Comic]

Sorry i meant yes
The League cup is plastic



betcha fergie won't next week

[Jim Comic]

Heh heh think it's noon not sure!


damn, way too late, i'll have gnawed my own arm off by then

[Jim Comic]

there are trophies and there are trophies . i think any liverpool player would have handed over their treble medals for one premier league champions one without thinking twice about

no argument there, but i also imagine any utd player would love to win 3 cup finals any year rather than none, as would any player on earth, that's why these guys become players to begin with

[STEVIEG]

betcha fergie won't next week


Heh heh true enough
He'll hopefully be able to convince his American friends otherwise!

[Jim Comic]

anyways, enough of this idle chit-chat, gotta go get some food and alcohol, i gots me a hankering for some cider and dead cattle in me gob

bye y'all!!!!

[Jim Comic]

from todays sunday times:

Morientes is football’s equivalent of bird flu — lethal on the Continent, but yet to do damage in this country.

[Fairly Looney]

Liverpool to win, based on the fact that they are better that ManU. !!!!!!
3-0, a aht-trick for the young Fowler lad.

Ok Ok, I was drunk when I predicted God to get a hat trick.... jeez

Anyway, wasn't I right? Liverpool won simply because they were better.
Simple as that. They are 2nd only to Chelsea.

[xvis]

Ok Ok, I was drunk when I predicted God to get a hat trick.... jeez

Anyway, wasn't I right? Liverpool won simply because they were better.
Simple as that. They are 2nd only to Chelsea.

yes. ..if you discard the factual record that is the league table

1 Chelsea 26 21 3 2 52 16 66
2 Man Utd 26 16 6 4 52 27 54
3 Liverpool 26 15 6 5 32 17 51

[Langer Dan]

Smith has

a dislocated ankle
a fractured left leg
possible ligament damage (they need the swelling from the other injuries to recede before they can assess, although it'd be hard to see how a dislocated ankle wouldn't lead to ligament damage).


Immediate estimate is out til November.

He'll be lucky to be back at all, twas a twisting break of the tibula, feel really sorry for the guy, not a great player but a real trier.

Piss poor match, United were pitiful.

[Teknique]

Get in there.....

First half ruled By Didi and Momo in the middle of the park , United came back into it but never threathened

Giggs in the holding roll? says it all really

[Philby]

Liverpool to have the lions share of possession and the better chances (with Hamann & Sissoko bossing midfield)


Thought Hamann & Sissoko were a class above anything united had to offer in midfield yesterday. It says a lot when Liverpool's 3rd and 4th choice centre-midfielders would walk into united's starting eleven.

Anyone with an ounce of sense know 3-4 years ago that United needed to to find a long-term alternative to Keane. In the meantime fergie has got rid of Keane, Neville & Butt and has brought the club to a point where they don't have a single central midfielder of any class. Awful, inept management from the Wizzard. For the good of the club he has to go in the summer (although I hope he stays on to indulge himself further)

[Fat Tom]

One of em would, the other would lose out to Scholes.
But agreed it does say a lot for our strength in this department.
I always maintain that Fletcher and Richardson are all right subs who'll do a job if missing a first team player. But starting with both and Giggs outta position is not the place to be for big games like this.

Should Benitez go to? I mean even with your so called bad Fergie Management and all our injuries we are still ahead of ye in the league!

[STEVIEG]

Neville and Butt weren't good enough for the first team and had to be moved
Both of them could have stayed if they wanted but Neville in particular wanted another challenge and he got Fergie's blessing
Keane, Uniteds best player, eventually had to go sometime

The problem is with the lack of replacements and injuries
He gambled that he could survive the season and wait for the right one or two
Sure, they are out of the cup but anything can happen in that competition and even a great United performance can end in nothing (Arsenal last May)

As crap as they are they are still second and only a few players off a good squad

[General Michael Collins]

Without doubt THE sweetest victory of the season so far.Completely dominated and should have won by three goals,only for finnan missing a sitter and the ref awarding a free for a foul on Kewell when it was actually a stonewall penalty.Gary Neville can you hear me?................. .................... .







Your boys took one hell of a beating!!!

[Sound]

Without doubt THE sweetest victory of the season so far.Completely dominated and should have won by three goals,only for finnan missing a sitter and the ref awarding a free for a foul on Kewell when it was actually a stonewall penalty.Gary Neville can you hear me?................. .................... .







Your boys took one hell of a beating!!!

FFS.

[General Michael Collins]

FFS.
did you not see the threads on here a few weeks ago after ferdinand got the winner with all the man yoo fans gloating.Lighten up,will you?

[dotty]

did you not see the threads on here a few weeks ago after ferdinand got the winner with all the man yoo fans gloating.Lighten up,will you?

FFS

[Philby]

There's bitter and then there's this. Very small-time from Ferguson.




"They had one attempt at goal and then the goal, but that's what they're all about because they only need to play for five minutes - that's the way they are now,” Ferguson told MUTV.



"They just pump the ball into the box and their set-piece delivery is very good. They keep you under pressure all the time and I think we just didn't have enough height today to cope with that. They depend on keeping a tight ship at the back and they're very difficult to beat.

"I think we dominated the game in the second half, but we should have done better in the first half - we showed nothing threatening really.



"In the second half, when we got any momentum going they just stopped the game by giving free-kicks away - and that was hard to handle."

[Sound]

did you not see the threads on here a few weeks ago after ferdinand got the winner with all the man yoo fans gloating.Lighten up,will you?

You know what? After reading Fergie's comments below, I'm starting to agree with you!

Here is the draw for everyone but Utd fans. Suck it up!

Charlton Athletic v Middlesboro
Aston Villa or Man City v Bolton or West Ham
Chelsea v Newcastle
Birmingham v Liverpool

[Philby]

You know what? After reading Fergie's comments below, I'm starting to agree with you!

Here is the draw for everyone but Utd fans. Suck it up!


But sure they still have Europe to concentra....oh right. That's gotta hurt.

[Lamps]

There's bitter and then there's this. Very small-time from Ferguson.




"They had one attempt at goal and then the goal, but that's what they're all about because they only need to play for five minutes - that's the way they are now,” Ferguson told MUTV.



"They just pump the ball into the box and their set-piece delivery is very good. They keep you under pressure all the time and I think we just didn't have enough height today to cope with that. They depend on keeping a tight ship at the back and they're very difficult to beat.

"I think we dominated the game in the second half, but we should have done better in the first half - we showed nothing threatening really.



"In the second half, when we got any momentum going they just stopped the game by giving free-kicks away - and that was hard to handle."


chokin back the vomit he was

[Rebelred]

better team won on the day.they didn't create many chances mind but did the important thing and took one of the two that came along.From that point on Liverpool never looked like losing,mainly due to uniteds lack of backbone in midfield. Richardson and Fletcher...you're having a laugh fergie

[Fat Tom]

Neville and Butt weren't good enough for the first team and had to be moved
Both of them could have stayed if they wanted but Neville in particular wanted another challenge and he got Fergie's blessing
Keane, Uniteds best player, eventually had to go sometime

The problem is with the lack of replacements and injuries
He gambled that he could survive the season and wait for the right one or two
Sure, they are out of the cup but anything can happen in that competition and even a great United performance can end in nothing (Arsenal last May)

As crap as they are they are still second and only a few players off a good squad

As Crap as our midfield is and all the injuries we are still ahead of Liverpool in the League.
And despite their domination of possesion they didn't create many chances again.

Both teams have big problems to overcome if they are to challenge Chelsea.
Picking points off each other is pretty pointless considering the larger picture.

[STEVIEG]

Here is the draw for everyone but Utd fans. Suck it up!



Are you Philby in disguise?

[ho chi feen]

There's bitter and then there's this. Very small-time from Ferguson.




"They had one attempt at goal and then the goal, but that's what they're all about because they only need to play for five minutes - that's the way they are now,” Ferguson told MUTV.



"They just pump the ball into the box and their set-piece delivery is very good. They keep you under pressure all the time and I think we just didn't have enough height today to cope with that. They depend on keeping a tight ship at the back and they're very difficult to beat.

"I think we dominated the game in the second half, but we should have done better in the first half - we showed nothing threatening really.



"In the second half, when we got any momentum going they just stopped the game by giving free-kicks away - and that was hard to handle."


Taken completely out of their original context, we could get ourselves riled at just about any quote. I saw the Irish Times pulled a similar one with the above quotes today.

did you not see the threads on here a few weeks ago after ferdinand got the winner with all the man yoo fans gloating.Lighten up,will you?

And you'll always be a sad, parhetic little loser.

[ho chi feen]

Neville and Butt weren't good enough for the first team and had to be moved
Both of them could have stayed if they wanted but Neville in particular wanted another challenge and he got Fergie's blessing

I don't think Pip Neville should have been sold. He always did a good job, no matter where he played.

[Fat Tom]

I don't think Pip Neville should have been sold. He always did a good job, no matter where he played.

Especially against the Arse.

[Philby]

It was a quote in relation to Fergie's view of the match, what other context could it be taken in?

They had one attempt at goal and then the goal, but that's what they're all about

What's this supposed to mean? Is there a new law in football that says you have to have 10 chances before you're allowed to score? Liverpool were totally dominant in the first half and created a decent amount of chances. "but that's what they're all about" - f*ckin drunken fool.

They just pump the ball into the box

Utd played every bit as many long balls as Liverpool. The difference is Liverpool have players who can make something of them. Uts don't.

I think we just didn't have enough height today to cope

Height, desire, class, composure..take your pick

[ho chi feen]

It was a quote in relation to Fergie's view of the match, what other context could it be taken in?



What's this supposed to mean? Is there a new law in football that says you have to have 10 chances before you're allowed to score? Liverpool were totally dominant in the first half and created a decent amount of chances. "but that's what they're all about" - f*ckin drunken fool.



Utd played every bit as many long balls as Liverpool. The difference is Liverpool have players who can make something of them. Uts don't.



Height, desire, class, composure..take your pick


For example, one could just as easily selectively quote the following:

They keep you under pressure all the time and I think we just didn't have enough height today to cope with that. They depend on keeping a tight ship at the back and they're very difficult to beat.

[Philby]

There's a difference between selectively using quotes and using quotes out of context. Fergie said the mindless that he was quoted as saying below, you can slice it & dice it whatever way you want but that fact remains. He's a very bad loser which is a shame because he's going to have to get used to losing a out on a lot more while he's still in charge at united.

[ho chi feen]

There's a difference between selectively using quotes and using quotes out of context. Fergie said the mindless that he was quoted as saying below, you can slice it & dice it whatever way you want but that fact remains. He's a very bad loser which is a shame because he's going to have to get used to losing a out on a lot more while he's still in charge at united.

How can anyone be this bitter in success? Your team were the better team, they won, they're through to the quarter finals of the FA Cup, and looking forward to a Champion's League tie this week, something which us United fans can only dream of, and this is all you have to say for yourself? FFS Philby man, enjoy while it's there!

[Philby]

That drunken scot just winds me up lad. Always has.

But thanks for the reminder of Rafa's success, guess we better appreciate him while we have him. Sooner or later he won't be able to turn down the lure of Madrid.

[ho chi feen]

But thanks for the reminder of Rafa's success, guess we better appreciate him while we have him. Sooner or later he won't be able to turn down the lure of Madrid.

I think the man has too much sanity to get himself involved with that footballing circus anytime in the forseeable future. What about Perez though... when's the next election for club president?

[Del]

I don't think Pip Neville should have been sold. He always did a good job, no matter where he played.

I can't agree with you there, he did a good job for us occasionally but he's not better than what is there

[JonnyOnionRings]

I can't agree with you there, he did a good job for us occasionally but he's not better than what is there
disagree. he filled in well for keane a few times . he got stuck in when needed unlike fletcher whose 2 lightweight for the role But the good news is fortune is back in training so utd are saved , saved i tell ya.

[Del]

Bellion is also going to be recalled :)

[Rebelred]

That drunken scot just winds me up lad. Always has.

Are you Keegan in disguise philby?

[Langer Dan]

I think the man has too much sanity to get himself involved with that footballing circus anytime in the forseeable future. What about Perez though... when's the next election for club president?


yawn.

Get a room funboys.

[ho chi feen]

I can't agree with you there, he did a good job for us occasionally but he's not better than what is there

You're saying he wouldn't walk into our midfield right now?

[ho chi feen]

Are you Keegan in disguise philby?


heh heh heh heh heh heh...

[Del]

You're saying he wouldn't walk into our midfield right now?

I'd walk into the midfield now, you can't predict the amount of injuries a team will have. It was the best decision for everyone at the time for Neville to leave

[xvis]

I'd walk into the midfield now, you can't predict the amount of injuries a team will have. It was the best decision for everyone at the time for Neville to leave

what injuries??? Smith is a forward, O Sheas a defender, Scholes has been in decline, ..Neville was sold, along with others, to free up some salary/space for midfield replacements that have not materialised in the last 3 or 4 transfer windows.

I don't buy this 'waiting until the summer for the right midfielder' crap. At the momemt United need THREE for the squad, if someone was bought in january and was to be a squad player after the summer then fine. ..none was bought last summer and they had all autumn to get someone in january... but no 'fuck it we'll be grand'

..and then they go out and buy 2 defenders in january!!! ..ha ha. ...the only thing that tells me, is they're hoping the defenders settle in well with an eye to cashing in Rio in the summer, ..to perhaps madrid after tonight.

crippled by incompetence and yanks

[Del]

what injuries??? Smith is a forward, O Sheas a defender, Scholes has been in decline, ..Neville was sold to free up some salary/space for midfield replacements that have not materialised in the last 3 or 4 tranfer windows.

I don't buy this 'waiting until the summer for the right midfielder' crap. At the momemt United need THREE for the squad, if someone was bought in january and was to be a squad player after the summer then fine. ..none was bought last summer and they had all autumn to get someone in january... but no 'fuck it we'll be grand'

..and then they go out and buy 2 defenders in january!!! ..ha ha. ...the only thing that tells me, is they're hoping the defenders settle in well with an eye to cashing in Rio in the summer, ..to perhaps madrid after tonight.

crippled by incompetence and yanks

Scholes injury and Keane was injured for a lot of the season before he left. Do you think United would be higher up the league if Neville was still there?

I do agree that United should have bough a midfielder in January, I can't understand why he went out and bought 2 defenders, it's baffling

[STEVIEG]

crippled by incompetence and yanks


In agree with Del myself but you raise an important point
Phil Nevilles wages, no matter how low compared to the big stars, were a factor in him leaving and as much as none of us could have predicted it, he would have been a handy squad player now.
Fortune, Smith, Scholes, Park, Giggs, Ronaldo and Keane (when he was there) have all had their fair share of injuries and suspensions this season but United are short that class on the defensive side of things

[xvis]

Scholes injury and Keane was injured for a lot of the season before he left. Do you think United would be higher up the league if Neville was still there?

I do agree that United should have bough a midfielder in January, I can't understand why he went out and bought 2 defenders, it's baffling

Scholes and Keane have been in decline for 1-2 seasons, keane is 34 and missed a lot of games in recent seasons.
Neville this year would have improved results, added a few points, ..again he's a converted defender, but can play the defensive midfielder.

There is no-one at the club presently to play that role.

[Del]

I was impressed with Gravesson from what I saw of him today, I can't understand why United didn't try to get him in January. Then again I don't think he would have left but they should try for him in the summer

[Out da Lough Like]

In agree with Del myself but you raise an important point
Phil Nevilles wages, no matter how low compared to the big stars, were a factor in him leaving and as much as none of us could have predicted it, he would have been a handy squad player now.
Fortune, Smith, Scholes, Park, Giggs, Ronaldo and Keane (when he was there) have all had their fair share of injuries and suspensions this season but United are short that class on the defensive side of things


Gabriel Heinze "is making better progress thn expected and could be back playing next month" according to reports today.

I'd say that fergie won't play him though, in order to ensure he doesn't go to the world cup, and comes back fully fit for pre season.

[STEVIEG]

Gabriel Heinze "is making better progress thn expected and could be back playing next month" according to reports today.

I'd say that fergie won't play him though, in order to ensure he doesn't go to the world cup, and comes back fully fit for pre season.


Fergie has had a bet with him all season that he won't make the World Cup the tight Scottish fucker!

[Del]

Scholes and Keane have been in decline for 1-2 seasons, keane is 34 and missed a lot of games in recent seasons.
Neville this year would have improved results, added a few points, ..again he's a converted defender, but can play the defensive midfielder.

There is no-one at the club presently to play that role.

Maybe he would have added a few points but it's also possible (maybe probable) that you would have lost us some points

[STEVIEG]

It's a sign of United's midfield weakness that players like Neville, Butt, Veron and whisper it gently, Fortune and O'Shea, are being mentioned as losses
None of them in their present state are good enough for Uniteds first team for me but each would have been knocking on the door last Saturday
With hindsight we all know Fergie should have bought one or two more before now, but ultimately his hopes for next season, assuming he's there, will rest on his two midfield purchases during the summer

[xvis]

It's a sign of United's midfield weakness that players like Neville, Butt, Veron and whisper it gently, Fortune and O'Shea, are being mentioned as losses
None of them in their present state are good enough for Uniteds first team for me but each would have been knocking on the door last Saturday
With hindsight we all know Fergie should have bought one or two more before now, but ultimately his hopes for next season, assuming he's there, will rest on his two midfield purchases during the summer

since the sale of Nicky Butt, there has been a long wait to replace like for like in central midfield. The players you mention are mentioned because they haven't been replaced at all, since the sales of Beckham, Veron, Kleberson, Neville, Butt etc have raised about £50m, ...with an outlay on Ronaldo, Park for about £15m.

it's making it easy for the opposition, ...if a similar situation happened in the business world ..with a whole gulf of senior management vacant it would border on Nick Leeson/Enron fiasco

[Fat Tom]

I was impressed with Gravesson from what I saw of him today, I can't understand why United didn't try to get him in January. Then again I don't think he would have left but they should try for him in the summer

He would be a class squad player but we need more quality for our Keane replacement.

Especially since chelsea have Makelele and Lampard, Pool Alonso and Gerrard.

If we can compete with these teams in that area then next season we have a great chance as it is the only area we are lacking class at the moment.

Fergie has his heary and target set on one player and he reckons he'll get him in the Summer so fair play if he does.

[Del]

He would be a class squad player but we need more quality for our Keane replacement.

Especially since chelsea have Makelele and Lampard, Pool Alonso and Gerrard.

If we can compete with these teams in that area then next season we have a great chance as it is the only area we are lacking class at the moment.

Fergie has his heary and target set on one player and he reckons he'll get him in the Summer so fair play if he does.

They need more than one player

[xvis]

They need more than one player

THREE required.
..maybe four.

http://www.bized.ac.uk/images/ferguson3.jpg
he's got his eyes on someone alright

...pm me when he's bought a midfielder

[Del]

THREE required.
..maybe four.

http://www.bized.ac.uk/images/ferguson3.jpg
he's got his eyes on someone alright

...pm me when he's bought a midfielder

3 or 4 midfielders? It'll be hard for them to settle in all at once and with it being a world cup year he won't have them in the squad until late on. Ballack and Gravasson (spelling) would be a great start

[FL4ZGN]

THREE required.
..maybe four.

http://www.bized.ac.uk/images/ferguson3.jpg
he's got his eyes on someone alright

...pm me when he's bought a midfielder


We still have super Nev

http://www.ave-it.net/neville.gif

[Fat Tom]

who's playing shit but hey at least he loves the club.
mockery.

Super nev me hole.

[FL4ZGN]

who's playing shit but hey at least he loves the club.
mockery.

Super nev me hole.


Playing below par but any player with 77 England caps can't be that bad.

[Fat Tom]

He's not.
He's been class.
But he is playing shit.