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captainshamrock
14-02-2006, 05:01 AM
We'll never win anything with this attitude!

14/02/2006

By Diarmuid O'Flynn
WHAT IS it about the our national sporting psyche that makes us so devastatingly stupid?

Time after time, in print, radio, tv, I find myself disagreeing vehemently with the majority of our commentators, analysts and experts, on Ireland's sporting fortunes. Going into contests against what we see as major opposition, we give ourselves no hope, game lost before we start. Against what we see as minor opposition, it's the opposite, game won before a ball is kicked.

Take this season's Six Nations. The weekend before last, Italy in Dublin, cakewalk forecast by most of our experts. Didn't happen, because under their new coach, Italy have improved immensely. Ireland still got the win, but, reaction? No credit; so extreme was the blame game that one expert, in his player ratings, gave a total of 86 to Ireland, 110 to Italy. Our tries, it was decided, were both wrongly awarded, our victory tainted. First try, the ball did drop, but vertically, downward, not forward, was then touched down by a combination of Jerry Flannery and Ronan O'Gara; try.

For the second, did anyone see Denis Minihane's wonderful series of photos in the Examiner? The fourth clearly showed the ball grounded by Tommy Bowe. Try In both instances the referee was right on the spot, in far better position than any camera angle. Add to those two scores the couple of near-misses, throw in the fact that Italy were about as creative behind the scrum as a Taliban Imam, and there is the clear, undeniable fact, Ireland were the better team. But no, most of our rugby experts couldn't see it like that, doom and gloom.

Next up, France, beaten that same weekend by Scotland. And woe, more doom, more gloom; backlash, the mighty French, all that talent, strength in depth, Stade de France, watch out, poor Ireland. Game conceded before a ball was kicked. I was near dancing in frustration. We have the better backs, the pack, the greater potential, the game-breakers, the outstanding individuals. Why was this not being recognised?

The game was a disaster, yes, but self-inflicted disaster. We gift France five tries, gift them this game, but we play them off the park. Yet, look at the analyses, by all those experts. Scrum destroyed, they scream. Destroyed? I've seen this game only once but I would take bets on this; one Irish scrum, one was destroyed. First scrum, second formation, John Hayes was not properly set, not ready for the hit, paid the price. Next scrum, French put-in, they got a good nudge on; rest of the first-half, they held that advantage, but never again was the Irish scrum destroyed. By the second half, they were absolutely comfortable.

Time after time, John Hayes is singled out as a poor scrummager, occasional lapses, such as that last Saturday, used as evidence. What about all the other evidence, when he has thoroughly outplayed top prop after top prop, latest being the great Andrew Sheridan of Sale? Like the unfair rap on Marcus Horan, lazy analysis.



Next up, we have Wales and Scotland at home; verdict? Ah sure, we should take them handily enough. Too much for the Welsh up front; the Welsh, who were on top against Scotland, who were on top against France, who demolished us?

No consistency in analysis, none. England away, ah sure, that's lost already, conceded. Makes my blood boil, it really does.

On Sunday, in Portlaoise, there was a manager, with what I would consider exactly the right attitude. Newtownshandrum, Cork and Munster champions, just pipped Ballygalget, champions of Down and Ulster, in the All-Ireland club senior hurling semi-final. Afterwards, Bernie O'Connor, Newtown's manager, cursed those who dismiss the likes of Ballygalget, who write them down, write them off.

I agree with what he said and the way he said it, I'd insert a few choice words of my own here, but it wouldn't make it past the censor. From the time he took over the Newtown senior team, O'Connor has had the same attitude to every opponent they met. At the start, when Newtown were the underdog, the little club from nowhere, they were up against the big guns, the likes of Blackrock, in Cork; nowadays Newtown are the big guns. Didn't matter then, doesn't matter now. Any team can be beaten, if your attitude is right - any team can beat you, if it isn't. You need respect, disrespect, need to be fearful, to be fearless; you need it all in the right mix. Bernie has it, always had it, and one of these days, one of the leading hurling counties will recognise that, gain from it. Most of our sports experts, our rugby experts especially, lately? Completely unbalanced.

I've blames Eddie O'Sullivan here on several occasions; I can't join in the general condemnation of his approach to the French game. O'Callaghan should be starting, Leamy is the best 6 in the country, Foley the best 8, with an argument for Heaslip, while Hickey should be on the wing, Trimble backing him up.

But this one was our own fault, or your own fault, those of you who don't know your arse from your elbow when it comes to attitude. If we approach the remaining three games properly, we have the potential to beat Wales, Scotland and England, win the Triple Crown. However, given that we should also have beaten France, we should not be happy with that.

There's a Grand Slam in this team; there's even a World Cup, if we could ever get our twisted heads around the possibility.

boxoid
14-02-2006, 08:28 AM
his got a point

Lamps
14-02-2006, 09:12 AM
his got a point

he's a GAA writer, he'd be the first to admit he doesn't know anything about rugby. better pack than france??


are you dyslexic?

POL
14-02-2006, 09:34 AM
Just out of hospital, had to get the stiches in my side taken out. Christ, what a focking shambles of a team loike, as soon as they got close they started shitting their trousers again as usual, fumbling and dropping passes, at one stage I really thought the frogs would have put 80 points on them, now that would have been funny

boxoid
14-02-2006, 09:54 AM
Just out of hospital, had to get the stiches in my side taken out. Christ, what a focking shambles of a team loike, as soon as they got close they started shitting their trousers again as usual, fumbling and dropping passes, at one stage I really thought the frogs would have put 80 points on them, now that would have been funny


they should have.

Fat Tom
14-02-2006, 11:00 AM
Just out of hospital, had to get the stiches in my side taken out. Christ, what a focking shambles of a team loike, as soon as they got close they started shitting their trousers again as usual, fumbling and dropping passes, at one stage I really thought the frogs would have put 80 points on them, now that would have been funny

You missed Dan getting caught out for ripping a statement from the press as his own.

Rebelred
14-02-2006, 11:23 AM
but sure, we Irish love to celebrate,win or lose, its the taking part that matters isn't it?

Langer Dan
14-02-2006, 11:34 AM
You missed Dan getting caught out for ripping a statement from the press as his own.

http://www.dlcmcgrawhill.ca/collegial_et_univers itaire/communication_market ing/publicite/chap18-p585-obsession.jpg

Fat Tom
14-02-2006, 11:37 AM
http://www.dlcmcgrawhill.ca/collegial_et_univers itaire/communication_market ing/publicite/chap18-p585-obsession.jpg

Maybe, but you're a fraud and an idiot to boot.

Langer Dan
14-02-2006, 11:38 AM
Maybe, but you're a fraud and an idiot to boot.
Says the cunt who posts nowt but football 365 and examiner rips.(plus the blinkered Kerry Shite)
Fuck off back to the bog cletus.

Fat Tom
14-02-2006, 11:40 AM
Good comeback Forum Idiot of the Year.

Langer Dan
14-02-2006, 11:42 AM
Good comeback Forum Idiot of the Year.

Stick to the uncredited Football365/Examiner rips,

you sheep bothering types arn't at the races where the snappy insults are concerned

Fat Tom
14-02-2006, 11:51 AM
I always say where my posts are from, when I don't its a marginal slip.
I never rip from the Examiner.

As for yourself sure you were blatantly caught out again yesterday boy.

Fat Tom
14-02-2006, 11:54 AM
Sure boy.
Forum Idiot of the Year caught at it again yesterday.

Neil Francis
TOMMY BOWE RATING: 0 The worst winger Ireland have picked since Jack Clarke and that's pretty bad. Have I mentioned he has no pace?


Langer Dan
Tommy Bowe should never play for Ireland again. The worst selection at wing since Jack Clarke.

Langer Dan
14-02-2006, 11:56 AM
Sure boy.
Forum Idiot of the Year caught at it again yesterday.


heh heh heh,

Im delighted you wasted five minutes of your day looking that up.

sad gimp.
Must be really getting to you.
You Kerry cunts are always way too easy to wind.
Fish in a barrel.

Fat Tom
14-02-2006, 11:56 AM
Yeah.
Idiot.
Caught at you moronic ways again.
Fraud.
Forum Idiot of the Year.

Langer Dan
14-02-2006, 11:58 AM
Yeah.
Idiot.
Caught at you moronic ways again.
Fraud.
Forum Idiot of the Year.

ya ur not bothered at all, just keep going.

you crave the last word, don't you?

Fat Tom
14-02-2006, 12:02 PM
Is that your comeback to when someone points out your idiocy.
"Ha ha I Wummed, you".

At least your not denying that you're the thickest fucker on here.

Sure people have sigs describing your brainless ramblings.
You must be proud.

Leave the Wumming to experts like POL, you're no good at it.

Langer Dan
14-02-2006, 12:07 PM
you crave the last word, don't you?


yet he continues.

And he has the gall to call me a "thick fucker".

Priceless.

Lamps
14-02-2006, 12:09 PM
everyone knows
pointing out WUMMERY to the WUMMEE negates said WUMMERY
QED

POL
14-02-2006, 12:14 PM
Fitzy's standard riposte consists of making spectacularly unfunny and incredibly boring comments, then passing it off as pseudo wummery of sorts.

Langer Dan
14-02-2006, 12:18 PM
Fitzy's standard riposte consists of making spectacularly unfunny and incredibly boring comments, then passing it off as pseudo wummery of sorts.

http://www.affichescinema.c om/insc_o/obsession.jpg

Lamps
14-02-2006, 12:19 PM
http://www.affichescinema.c om/insc_o/obsession.jpg

consider yourself WUMMED POL,
he just WUMMED you good

Langer Dan
14-02-2006, 12:20 PM
consider yourself WUMMED POL,
he just WUMMED you good

ah christ lads change the record FFS.

POL
14-02-2006, 12:21 PM
consider yourself WUMMED POL,
he just WUMMED you good

If Fitzy can verify that he WUMMED me, then yes I have been WUMMED

boxoid
14-02-2006, 12:28 PM
children please...
tidy up all the toys now, and stop fighting

its only a internet forum... no need to get so cranky.