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northmallexile
21-01-2006, 11:35 AM
Article from this morning's Guardian:

How Benítez built Liverpool
The side that plays Manchester United tomorrow bears the mark of a manager who has figured out the English game

Kevin McCarra
Monday January 23, 2006

Guardian

Tomorrow brings a landmark anniversary for Rafael Benítez but it is not of the sort he will have marked up on his kitchen calendar. On January 22 2005 Liverpool were beaten 2-0 by Southampton, who had few other distractions of that sort as they homed in on bottom spot in the Premiership. The third defeat in a week cracked the manager's defences and there was a dam-burst of condemnation over all his doings on Merseyside.
It was unthinkable then that he would be held in such esteem as he prepares for tomorrow's away match with Manchester United. That defeat to Southampton was pored over and Alan Hansen wrote that the first-half display was "the worst I've seen in the 14 years since I left the club". The former captain decried Benítez's penchant for signing his fellow Spaniards and declared that Liverpool "are not going to win the Champions League".

Jeers for Hansen have to be stifled because every piece of opinionated punditry creates another batch of hostages to fortune and, above all, his views were shared by most people on the football scene. Liverpool overhauled a 3-0 deficit in the European Cup final but they have had to sustain the transformation in order to enjoy their current standing. With their all-round strength and consistency they will continue to be treated as the best-equipped team to keep pace with Chelsea in the years ahead, whatever the outcome against Manchester United tomorrow.

Liverpool's progress owes a little to signings and other alterations to the line-up. During the misery at St Mary's, Jamie Carragher played at right-back because the old and slow Mauricio Pellegrino was in central defence. There is no longer bed-blocking of that kind in the side. None the less, the more influential changes have occurred within Benítez himself, who has become far more flexible in his reaction to the idiosyncrasies of the Premiership.

The career of the Wales manager John Toshack includes two spells in charge of Real Madrid and three at Real Sociedad, giving him an appreciation of how odd English football looks to a Spaniard such as Benítez. "Everyone gets railroaded into 4-4-2 because if you don't play that way they call you negative," said the former Liverpool striker, conscious that such systems are somewhat alien to the Anfield manager. "There is no doubt that Rafa has adjusted, because he never used two outright strikers at Valencia."

In the defeat at Southampton and another by the same margin at Birmingham Benítez employed Fernando Morientes up front, with Milan Baros drifting deeper and wider until he reached vanishing point. At the moment Liverpool, when taking on palpably weaker teams, utilise the more assertive threat of Morientes and Peter Crouch, who made a painful impression on Benítez with his goal at St Mary's a year ago. "Against sides from the mid-table downwards he will have decided that he can afford to take more of a chance with his tactics," said Toshack.

The balance to be struck between caution and aggression is one that preoccupies every manager. Benítez would identify with the thinking of one of his Anfield predecessors, even if the idiom would not come so naturally to him. "Bill Shankly," recalls Toshack, "used to say: 'A football team is like a piano. You need eight men to carry it and three who can play the damn thing.'" Benítez has always been aware that a certain huskiness is essential and the acquisition of Mohamed Sissoko added an athleticism to the destructive work of the Liverpool midfield, although the Mali international, who turns 21 tomorrow, still tends to be indiscriminate on occasion in the passes and tackles he attempts to make.

Benítez has always been very pragmatic and if he lets his men off the leash it will be because the method is logical. With Liverpool 3-1 down at Luton he swiftly converted to a devil-may-care 4-2-4 formation which overwhelmed Mike Newell's team. The switch was born of calculation, not romance, and even as a boy he was obsessively analytical in his addiction to a military board game called Stratego.

The lack of a career as a professional player meant that he had no prior status to draw upon in management and that must have deepened his conservatism. He could not afford to take risks. "He was the youth coach at Real Madrid when I was the manager there," said Toshack. "He has had to struggle through the ranks in Spain and he was a surprise appointment at Valencia."

Benítez won two Liga titles while at the Mestalla, as well as a Uefa Cup, and depended on a robust 4-2-3-1 formation. Though Toshack's Real Sociedad side beat them in the 2001-02 championship the Welshman recalls the formidable cragginess of Valencia. "It was as if you had to be in your 30s to play in their back four," he said, "and no one could get at the defence easily because of David Albelda and Rubén Baraja. Then they would counter-attack through Pablo Aimar."

Toshack is sure Benítez's approach is essential for success at the higher levels and he has England's generally dismal record in European football over the past 20 years to bear out his argument. "You can't play 4-4-2 against Juventus, Chelsea and Milan," he says of the clubs defeated by Liverpool last season. "If you do you will get outnumbered and cut up in midfield."

The secret of Benítez's progress lies not in any radical overhaul but in the small calibrations he has made to ensure that Liverpool are bolder against the teams they should dominate. Last season, while being unduly cerebral, they could be bullied in away fixtures where they had neglected to seize the initiative. At present, on the other hand, they are unbeaten in 13 games in all domestic competitions.

The tailoring of the tactics for specific, relatively minor occasions does not mean Benítez's principles have altered. "You won't see him using Steven Gerrard as a holding player beside Xabi Alonso because it's just not in his instinct to cover that area," said the Wales manager. As Toshack indicates, there are security measures further forward in the 4-2-3-1 structure.

"One of those three men will not really be an attacker by nature," he argues. "For example, John Arne Riise is quite often the player on the left and he is more of a full-back who will help to provide cover on that side." Just before the third of four unsuccessful attempts by a goalless Chelsea to defeat Liverpool in the Champions League, Jose Mourinho commented that his opponents "do not play with an open heart". Coming from such an arch-realist that must have sounded like a handsome compliment to Benítez.

"Why not stay 20 years here?" the Spaniard said cheerily yesterday. Why not indeed when he already has a team built to last.

northmallexile
21-01-2006, 11:41 AM
Why Reds are now Chelsea's main rivals
Benítez has transformed the club's fortunes with improvements in four areas, writes Dominic Fifield

Monday January 23, 2006

Guardian

1 New signings
It is rare for a group of signings to slip seamlessly into a club but Rafael Benítez achieved as much last summer. Peter Crouch, Mohamed Sissoko, Boudewijn Zenden and José Reina have all suffered minor blips in personal form but their impact on the side has been beneficial: Crouch's presence has unsettled opponents, Sissoko's energy has liberated Xabi Alonso and Steven Gerrard, Reina has conceded in only five Premiership matches and Zenden, now injured, provided industry and experience.

"They all gave us something extra, particularly away from home," said Benítez. "They have either experience or are suited to life in the Premiership." Add to that the recent rebirth of Harry Kewell and the invention of Alonso and Luis García and Benítez has worked wonders. Should Fernando Morientes live up to his reputation the jigsaw might be complete.

2 Tactics

At Valencia Benítez created a side capable of ripping opponents to shreds on the break, their system based on wingers in Rufete and Vicente who tormented, a rugged centre-forward in John Carew, creativity in Pablo Aimar and a miserly defence marshalled by the goalkeeper Santiago Cañizares and the centre-half Roberto Ayala. That set-up is mirrored at Anfield, though Benítez's Liverpool are also capable of offering a more "British-style" aggression.

Sissoko's energy opens space in which Alonso orchestrates, with any combination of Kewell, John Arne Riise, García and Gerrard providing width. Gerrard would prefer to operate inside but has revelled on the right. Defenders who struggled to cope with the manager's zonal marking system - not least at Old Trafford, where Mikaël Silvestre scored twice from set plays - have learnt to adapt. "I would have changed that system if it hadn't worked," said Benítez.

The Spaniard received a letter from Sir Alex Ferguson after the Champions League final complimenting him on his tactics. "He had an idea of how he wanted us to play and where he wanted us positioned, but it just took a long time for us to learn it," said Stephen Warnock.

3 Learning from his mistakes

Liverpool were humbled 11 times on their Premiership travels last season but mistakes made a year ago have been eradicated. Only Fulham, with a 2-0 win in October, have improved upon their corresponding result from last season; six sides whom Liverpool failed to beat last season have been overcome this time around to leave the Anfield club 20 points better off to date.

Benítez rarely brings up specific failings from last year's performances but he scrutinises those ineffective displays, together with videos of his opponents, around the clock. "He tries to locate weaknesses in their play," said Warnock. "He knows them inside out, every position, so we know what we're going at every time we go out there. Every team has a weakness. A lot of the improvement has been down to the manager learning more about our opponents in the Premiership than he did last year."

4 Dressing room

Every club has its cliques but there is a feel-good factor about Liverpool these days which appears to have eased any tension within the set-up. The manager's English is improving, as is that of his signings from Spain. Antonio Núñez and Josemi, who were struggling to adapt, have since been sold back to La Liga, with the resolution of Gerrard's future and, arguably, Jamie Carragher's contractual reward last summer adding to the sense of harmony.

"We've got the best blend of youth, experience and quality the club's seen in a while," said Gerrard. "We have a gang of very hungry players. Everyone wants medals. When you've got that desire in a dressing room, and when the punters in the stands and the people in the boardroom match it, then you've got a winning mixture. I look around the dressing room pre-kick-off now and you can see the will to win in people's eyes."

Jim Comic
21-01-2006, 02:56 PM
that article is a bit premature, once he's won 2 or 3 titles then it'll be apt.

STEVIEG
24-01-2008, 07:44 PM
Jesus!

keanos dog
24-01-2008, 08:36 PM
Jesus!

I've got a beauty lined up. right moment and that though.<taps nose>

xvis
24-01-2008, 09:01 PM
'what happened the next day Granddad?'



...Manchester United 1 Liverpool 0

Rio Ferdinand's injury-time header completed a memorable Manchester United hat-trick as Liverpool's unbeaten run became the latest to bite the dust at Old Trafford.

Just as Arsenal's 49-game streak without a defeat ended here last season, and Chelsea's 40-match run was halted in November, so Liverpool have found the Red Devils are not quite the spent force many believe them to be.

Ferdinand took 140 games to end his United scoring drought but the England defender found the net for the third time in six weeks when he rose to meet Ryan Giggs' free-kick and bulleted a header into the top corner past Jose Reina.

It hardly breathed new life into the Barclays Premiership title race as Chelsea remain a healthy 14 points clear despite their rare setback against Charlton, but at least it gave the supporters something positive to remember from another largely sterile encounter between the north-west giants.

Up to that point, the game appeared likely to be memorable only for Djibril Cisse's astonishing miss just after the hour mark.

Ferdinand had just cleared off the line - another segment of an overall exceptional performance from the £29.1million defender - when Harry Kewell lashed a volley towards goal.

Edwin van der Sar did brilliantly to keep it out but could only palm the ball straight into Cisse's path.

But somehow, despite being barely six yards out and completely unmarked, Cisse thrashed his shot over, to the total disbelief of manager Rafael Benitez.

The defeat, Liverpool's first since an October loss at Fulham, leaves the Reds trailing United by four points - with two games in hand - in what is surely now a race for second spot.

If the champions' draw with Charlton at Stamford Bridge was supposed to elicit any kind of response from the bitter rivals, it seemed it was purely a sense of panic that Jose Mourinho's men might be overhauled after all.

With Alan Smith's ankle injury failing to respond to intensive treatment and Paul Scholes, Cristiano Ronaldo and Park Ji-Sung consigned to the stand for a variety of reasons, it was no surprise United were outgunned in midfield.

John O'Shea and Giggs toiled manfully in central positions but Xabi Alonso and Mohamed Sissoko held sway and Steven Gerrard flitted in off his berth on the right touchline to try to add some penetration.

Liverpool's problem was that no-one committed themselves far enough forward to provide any meaningful support to Peter Crouch and Cisse, both of whom were held at bay with some degree of comfort by Ferdinand and Wes Brown.

These are the days when you wonder why anyone would question Ferdinand. His speed of thought and foot kept him one step ahead of the Liverpool attack, he maintained his concentration throughout and even found time to ultimately lethal effect.

By his side, Brown was in equally determined mood and got back well to block one Crouch volley which, other than a couple of long-range Gerrard efforts, was about all Liverpool managed.

United were not much better. It was first-half stoppage time before they created a decent opportunity, when Giggs chipped a pass to the previously anonymous Ruud van Nistelrooy.

By the time the Dutchman got there, the angle was too narrow to force anything other than a routine save from Reina.

If Van Nistelrooy had been nowhere, Wayne Rooney was everywhere - left-back, right-back, central midfield and even up front sometimes.

The youngster appeared to be wearing turbo-charged boots so quickly did he get up and down the field and one 50-yard charge would have set up Darren Fletcher had it not been for John Arne Riise's outstretched leg.

Sir Alex Ferguson was sufficiently concerned about the flow of play to introduce Louis Saha at the interval, a move which saw Rooney's role effectively reduced to that of a right winger.

Not that the decision kept Rooney out of the action. The 20-year-old still looked the most likely source of inspiration for the hosts, although Liverpool did increase their own tempo significantly in the second half.

Cisse had already partially tested Van der Sar once before the chance of the match fell his way just after the hour mark.

The Frenchman was on his haunches and about to start nursing a minor knock when Van der Sar parried Kewell's drive into his path but there were no excuses available to justify the awful miss.

While the scare brought more focus to United's attack, the hosts could not muster anything better than a whipped cross from Van Nistelrooy which fizzed across a crowded area without touching anyone.

That was until Ferdinand struck. Once derided as the worst finisher on United's books, the most expensive player in British football history is quickly becoming a man to be feared.

Teams

Man Utd Van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Brown, Evra, Giggs, Fletcher, O'Shea (Saha 45), Richardson, Rooney, van Nistelrooy.
Subs Not Used: Howard, Vidic, Silvestre, Rossi.
Booked: Richardson, Rooney.
Goals: Ferdinand 90.

Liverpool Reina, Finnan, Hyypia, Carragher, Riise, Gerrard, Alonso, Sissoko (Kromkamp 89), Kewell, Crouch (Morientes 59), Cisse (Sinama Pongolle 75).
Subs Not Used: Dudek, Traore.
Booked: Sissoko, Alonso, Gerrard.

Att: 67,874
Ref: M Riley (W Yorkshire).

***

The match report combines a few elements from todays threads ...Cisse, ..Ferdinands defensive midfield shield(!)

That was some midfield from United that halted Rafa's machine...
Giggs, Fletcher, O'Shea (Saha 45), Richardson

lionelhutz
25-01-2008, 10:17 AM
stevie, what ever about bucksfizz and the other goon, you really are leaving yourself down

Sound
25-01-2008, 10:21 AM
I love the way Triggs is going through the archives looking for stuff yet has dropped more whoppers in the past month than most of combined.

lionelhutz
25-01-2008, 10:28 AM
I love the way Triggs is going through the archives looking for stuff yet has dropped more whoppers in the past month than most of combined.

nah, dont read any of his stuff, one of those non entity chaps. he's either a regulars wum alter ego or he's 12 which is all the more reason im disappointed in stevie for givin him the ol bumslap treatment

Lamps
25-01-2008, 10:44 AM
I love the way Triggs is going through the archives looking for stuff yet has dropped more whoppers in the past month than most of combined.

Very true.

But he's too thick to care. Huge front runner for Idiot of the year.

Sound
25-01-2008, 10:47 AM
Very true.

But he's too thick to care. Huge front runner for Idiot of the year.

Paddy Power is already paying out on it.

northmallexile
25-01-2008, 11:52 AM
Er, what? What's going on here?

I vaguely remember posting those up when I was bored in the office one Saturday morning.* That was, y'know, two years ago though.


*Come to think of it, the dates don't scan there. How was I able to post up articles marked Jan 23rd on Jan 21st?

STEVIEG
25-01-2008, 12:47 PM
Er, what? What's going on here?

I vaguely remember posting those up when I was bored in the office one Saturday morning.* That was, y'know, two years ago though.



It was no reflection on you, just the article, which was premature!

STEVIEG
10-09-2010, 10:54 AM
Woy was not impressed

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/7992724/Roy-Hodgson-shipping-out-purposeless-players-from-Liverpool.html

“We were unbelievably overstaffed when I came to the club and we still are overstaffed [there are 75 players on the books at Anfield]."

Jim Comic
10-09-2010, 12:41 PM
if he sells 30 of the youngsters/reserves for a million each then we're quids in

Philby
10-09-2010, 01:12 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with Roy's view that there's no point in having a bulk of "senior" (in terms of age) and vaguely well-paid professionals at the club that realistically would never be entrusted with a spot in the first team (i.e. career reserves).

They should rightly be shipped out and replaced with talented youngsters (sourced internally through the academy as much as possible).

What I'd take issue with is the assertion that Liverpool are materially overstaffed relative to the their peers (although is likely to be higher than Roy will be familiar with from his Fulham/Blackburn days).

This widely quotes figure of 75 (which Roy himself did not say, it was added in to the article by a journo) presumably includes every registered player from first team, reserve and youth level (those which can sign professional contracts).

I'd be surprised if Liverpool's total is incomparable to that elsewhere among clubs hunting a CL spot.

Roy has already shown willingness to give run outs to a number of talented players brought to the club under Rafa's watch it must be noted.

Teknique
10-09-2010, 01:16 PM
Roy has already shown willingness to give run outs to a number of talented players brought to the club under Rafa's watch it must be noted.

A willingness Rafa did not seem to share

Bravo Woy

I look forward to seeing the pikey getting a run out in the Europa League games

STEVIEG
10-09-2010, 01:17 PM
I look forward to seeing the pikey getting a run out in the Europa League games

One guy who won't even make the Europa cup this year

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/09/roque-santa-cruz-manchester-city-europa

Teknique
10-09-2010, 01:42 PM
One guy who won't even make the Europa cup this year

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/09/roque-santa-cruz-manchester-city-europa


He'll be the star man in the Carling Cup, no doubt

Philby
10-09-2010, 03:08 PM
A willingness Rafa did not seem to share

Bravo Woy

Pacheco, Ayala, Kelly, Eccleston, Darby and Spearing were all given game time under Benitez and it was Benitez who implemented wide-ranging changes in the clubs scouting/youth structure and practices.

Changes which are likely to pay dividends for future managers.

There's no point in throwing in young players for extended spells when they're not ready and I'm sure Roy will be just as wary of that as Rafa was.

I look forward to seeing the pikey getting a run out in the Europa League games

Shelvey looks a talented player alright but it'll take more than raw talent to force your way into a CL spot-chasing side's centre midfield for an extended run before you've even hit 21 years of age.

Cesc (and to a lesser extend Denilson) was a freak of nature in that sense

Teknique
10-09-2010, 03:18 PM
Fair enought he brought those players in but I thought he was slow to bring them through. Why sign Deggen for example when you had Darby and Kelly in the wings

He was really only ever used in Carling cup anyways

Unless of course he signed the wrong Deggen :)

Philby
10-09-2010, 03:46 PM
Is there a right Degen!? ;-)

In all honesty, Pacheco aside I'm struggling to think of any other youth player who made a particularly compelling case to be given a hell of a lot more game time...

For this you need there to be a material weakness among the incumbent first-teamers in that position and you need to show that you are head and shoulders above the reserve dregs you're currently jousting with.

There's been no latent Fowler/Mcmanaman/Gerrard/Owen-esque talent bubbling under the surface gathering dust in the reserves in quite a few years sadly.

On the plus side there are a whole host of talented kids in the 14-17 year old bracket now who may use Liverpool's slide to CL wannabees as their cue to make a name for themselves in a few years.