Man Utd 1 - Everton 1

[Superior]

Useless!!


heh heh heh heh heh...

[aahjay]

Useless!!


heh heh heh heh heh...

Ah, Everton aren 't useless.


Oh wait, they are

[Del]

Did anyone watch it? apparently Wright had a great game

[Fat Tom]

No real outstanding save though but did his job well which is more than cna be said for Edwin.

United should have won this by 5, and nearly got caught then on counter.
Bad Finishing, really bad finishing.

And again Smith was fucking awful.

[Teknique]

And again Smith was fucking awful.

I think United should stick with Smith
He's learning all the time , ahem

[STEVIEG]

Again, blaming the defensive midfielders is stupid.
If the wide players can't cross it it's not their fault. United's delivery has been poor this year, especially seeing as they actually have a few players on the pitch who can put it in the net at the moment if given the chance

[Fat Tom]

Errah we missed some great chances that were created.
Stevie FFS - Smith was appaling yesterday.
Lost for the goal AGAIN.

How many fucking times.

Giggs put in some great ball, nothing coming from right but at same time we are creating shit loads.

Yesterday was just a bad day in front of goal.
I was impressed by performance bar Smith and Silvestre.
His long balls are a joke and Smith is clueless.

[Lamps]

lets call a spade a spade here, united were lucky to hold the toffeemen yesterday, i counted 4 times when everton were breaking and but for sheer shitidness they would have gotten at least 1 one those. united in comparison were all huff and puff, loads of possesion and teritory and no end product. rooney is the only player ye have who is remotely good. not one other player ye have would get in the chelsea team.

also smith should have walked before he was subbed, he did at least 3/4 two footed lunges

[Fat Tom]

Caught a couple of times on the break fair enough but the statistics deny your argument.United created far more chances

- Ruud would walk on yer team.
-Heinze/Del Horno is a close call.-
- on form rio would dance on yer team
- on form Scholes would be there too

and smith & fletcher are certainties surely

[Lamps]

Caught a couple of times on the break fair enough but the statistics deny your argument.United created far more chances

- Ruud would walk on yer team.
-Heinze/Del Horno is a close call.-
- on form rio would dance on yer team
- on form Scholes would be there too

and smith & fletcher are certainties surely

i think me quoting your post is better than any retort/insult/denounciation i could muster. Rio??? Scholes?? RuuDD????

[Langer Dan]

i think me quoting your post is better than any retort/insult/denounciation i could muster. Rio??? Scholes?? RuuDD????

Lamps a chelsea fan?

Devoting himself obsessively to all things United, sad really.

[Lamps]

Lamps a chelsea fan?

Devoting himself obsessively to all things United, sad really.

have you ever even landed one blow tom, you're just useless

[Langer Dan]

have you ever even landed one blow tom, you're just useless

so we've a steady mixture of anti united ravings and pops at me.


Heh heh heh.

Quality

[dotty]

back to the game...thought united played well first half especially scholes and giggs,responded very well to the everton goal,but as the second half wore on we became more and more desperate and as a result created fuck all of note,thought bringing on ronaldo for park might have been the answer but he couldnt cross his legs,surely at some or another on the training pitch you think he would practice the art of crossing the ball wouldnt ya???

[STEVIEG]

With regard to Smith etc
Yes, he's not great but it's him and Fletcher (who came on late yesterday) who are being scapegoats when most United fans will agree they are a weak point and need to be strengthened. It's our creative players that are dissapointing me as much i reckon if i was out there myself i could have got a few crosses in and i'm not even a good crosser of the ball!

[Fat Tom]

i think me quoting your post is better than any retort/insult/denounciation i could muster. Rio??? Scholes?? RuuDD????

did you watch the game yesterday?
Scholes was sublime.
Think he would be a wonderful compliment to Lampard and makelele.
Essien is class too though.
Much has been made of Scholes poor form but a lot of that has to do with the retards playing midfield next to him.

Same with Rio - on form, like he has been in league yesterday he is top class.
He WOULD get on for Chelsea but ye don't really need him.
Kinda like Ashley Cole.

As for Ruud ye have no top class striker of note,
His record speaks for itself.
Top scorer in the league with fuck all support from midfield.

[Fat Tom]

With regard to Smith etc
Yes, he's not great but it's him and Fletcher (who came on late yesterday) who are being scapegoats when most United fans will agree they are a weak point and need to be strengthened. It's our creative players that are dissapointing me as much i reckon if i was out there myself i could have got a few crosses in and i'm not even a good crosser of the ball!

Crosses fair enough not great.
But creatively Scholes was unreal.
Hard to cross in to a box loaded with defenders too, you need more imagination and when good crosses came in Rooney and Rossi missed bad chances but point take,

Smith is not a scapegoat, he just simply isn't good enough.
We created shit loads yesterday but again that thick fuck was lost for the goal, that and Van der Saar fucking up.

[Superior]

Lads.
Scholes (31), Giggs (32). Not the future of Man Utd.

[Captain Planet]

Lads.
Scholes (31), Giggs (32). Not the future of Man Utd.
sheringham (95)...the future

[singular]

Much has been made of Scholes poor form but a lot of that has to do with the retards playing midfield next to him.

a player of scholes' experience and quality should be looking better if he's next to shit midfield players,taking command of the midfield role,but he's not,which has just (unfortunately) exposed the fact that he's not what he used to be,by all means i hope he proves me (and all other doubters) wrong,and yesterday wasnt his worst game at all,in fact the pass he made to Giggs for the goal was a glimpse of his talent,but we just dont see enough of that lately unforunately.

between his tackling (which has always been bad) and smiths lunging in,we dont have the reliable strength in midfield to protect the back 4.

[Fat Tom]

He was class against Everton.
Class.
What game were you watching?

[Langer Dan]

He was class against Everton.
Class.
What game were you watching?

agreed Schole's distribution was fantastic against Everton, that said its been piss poor upto this point.

[Fat Tom]

Himself and Rio have been picking it up lately.
Scholes needs a better player next to him to pass and move.
Smith is fucking terrible, I'd play Fletcher ahead of him.
I think the 4-3-2-1 took space away from him too.
Back to 4-4-2 and with a good player next to him he'll produce the goods.

We need Ronaldo to hit form again badly though.
Park tries hard, but end product is as poor as Ronaldos and Ronaldo has way more talent than Park.
He just needs to use it better

[singular]

ya he had a good game,but its about time he had one,he's been underperforming a lot and i just hope this is where his season starts to pick up,smith had one great game against chelsea,doesnt mean he's gonna do the job for the season.fletcher could be better but still doesnt solve the midfield problem,

its a shame phil neville was sold,think he would do a much better job than fletcher or smith.

[Fat Tom]

Yeah, Scholes has been good since we went to 4-4-2 but he needs a player with him.

[imnonorrie]

scholes has been the most underrated united player in history, but he suffers in keanes absence

[Sound]

did you watch the game yesterday?
Scholes was sublime.
Think he would be a wonderful compliment to Lampard and makelele.
Essien is class too though.
Much has been made of Scholes poor form but a lot of that has to do with the retards playing midfield next to him.

Same with Rio - on form, like he has been in league yesterday he is top class.
He WOULD get on for Chelsea but ye don't really need him.
Kinda like Ashley Cole.

As for Ruud ye have no top class striker of note,
His record speaks for itself.
Top scorer in the league with fuck all support from midfield.

Thats just stupid.

[Fat Tom]

Good comeback.

Cheers for your valuable input.

[Lamps]

Good comeback.

Cheers for your valuable input.

as i said a few days ago, your origainl comment was better than any comeback. scholes is washed up, who again does he replace in the chelsea midfield. who does rio replace???
only rooney gets a game

[Fat Tom]

Ruud?

Surely better than Drogs and Crespo in all fairness.

Scholes' lack of form has a lot to do with shit next to him.
But Fat Frank into a team with Smith/Fletcher and he'd be fucking limited too.
Scholes is coming back to form of late and played class at the weekend.
Washed up he aint.

I'd have him over Essien as a player but possibly not in yer system where ye require two "hatchet" men in midfield to break up the play.

Rio - on form would dance on yer team and he has been playing really well of late.
Far better player than Carvalho and Gallas.

I'd take Heinze when fit over Del Horno and Neville over Ferrreira.

[POL]

Can't wait for mighty Rio to turn it on against the mght of Wigan

[Fat Tom]

Can't wait for mighty Rio to turn it on against the mght of Wigan

Obsessed

[Lamps]

Ruud?

Surely better than Drogs and Crespo in all fairness.

Scholes' lack of form has a lot to do with shit next to him.
But Fat Frank into a team with Smith/Fletcher and he'd be fucking limited too.
Scholes is coming back to form of late and played class at the weekend.
Washed up he aint.

I'd have him over Essien as a player but possibly not in yer system where ye require two "hatchet" men in midfield to break up the play.

Rio - on form would dance on yer team and he has been playing really well of late.
Far better player than Carvalho and Gallas.

I'd take Heinze when fit over Del Horno and Neville over Ferrreira.

hate to rain on your parade here but chelsea only play 1 up front(the system demento has been trying in vain to copy for the past 18 months), rooney can have that. rudd can bench it. scholes would in theory be the man to replace lampard(some hope), while the hatchet man as you call them are the best at what they do in the league, incidentally did you ever call the master of the 10 yards pass a hatchet man, surely he was setting the pace or influencing the games tempo.

rio is behind, terry,gallas,carvahl o,carragher,hyppia,c ampbell,southgate,ki ng to name but some in the league's centre half pecking order. but keep thinking he's good cos you're team's in freefall.

you've basically just claimed that united's shite defence are better than chelsea's?????

[Teknique]

you've basically just claimed that united's shite defence are better than chelsea's?????


maybe he was laughing hysterically like a madman when he typed it ?

[Eoin]

Rio - on form would dance on yer team and he has been playing really well of late.
Far better player than Carvalho and Gallas.



You can't possibly be serious. Do you ever take off the united blinkers??

Rio has been shit this season. Really shit. He might have improved lately, but that wouldn't be hard considering how bad he was for the first 3 months of the season.

There are plenty of teams in the premiership that he could walk on to, but Chelsea??? You're living in dreamland.

Rooney and Ruud are the only united players that would get on the chelsea first 11.

[Sound]

Good comeback.

Cheers for your valuable input.

I'm bored of telling you what is wrong with Rio- you just dont listen. So you either cant read or are being stupid. Rio better than Gallas? You should be on stage. Gallas is faster, stronger and has far, far better concentration. In short, he is a better defender. When can you remember Terry, Gallas or Carvalho making an error leading to a goal?

[Fat Tom]

Henrys in the 2-2 game last year.
Both of them lost him and left him in acres of space.

Rio on form is a superb defender.
This season he has been poor but has been regaining form of late.

I remember a time when Houliier was criticising Gerrard in public every player goes through bad patches - Rio is a top, top class player.

PS - I very much doubt Gallas is faster than Rio.

[Sound]

Henrys in the 2-2 game last year.
Both of them lost him and left him in acres of space.

Rio on form is a superb defender.
This season he has been poor but has been regaining form of late.

I remember a time when Houliier was criticising Gerrard in public every player goes through bad patches - Rio is a top, top class player.

PS - I very much doubt Gallas is faster than Rio.

That is one game last year- would you like a list of Rio's in the last year? This season? Last month? I dont know if the PROC database can take it! I was getting bored of going on about it but, fuck it, if you continue to wear the blinkers, I will continue to point it out. It is a mockery.

[Fat Tom]

That is one game last year- would you like a list of Rio's in the last year? This season? Last month? I dont know if the PROC database can take it! I was getting bored of going on about it but, fuck it, if you continue to wear the blinkers, I will continue to point it out. It is a mockery.

I'm gonna drop it.
Like I said before we'll agree to disagree.

If you remember all Rio's mistakes you are indeed obsessed.
I for one can't remember all Finnan and Carraghers mistakes for all 41 goals ye conceded last year - but then again I don't watch Liverpool all the time and note every little detail.
But they must have made quite a few.

Saying that I couldn't care less - truce?
We are never gonna agree like and its getting a bit pointless at this stage!

[shammy feen]

As for Ruud ye have no top class striker of note,
.

yeah..that Crespo is rubbish isnt he.....

[Sound]

I'm gonna drop it.
Like I said before we'll agree to disagree.

If you remember all Rio's mistakes you are indeed obsessed.
I for one can't remember all Finnan and Carraghers mistakes for all 41 goals ye conceded last year - but then again I don't watch Liverpool all the time and note every little detail.
But they must have made quite a few.

Saying that I couldn't care less - truce?
We are never gonna agree like and its getting a bit pointless at this stage!

I fail to see what this has to do with the relative merits of Gallas V Rio?

More mockery.

[shammy feen]

as i said a few days ago, your origainl comment was better than any comeback. scholes is washed up, who again does he replace in the chelsea midfield. who does rio replace???
only rooney gets a game

Nah Lamps...Heinze would also get in to the Chelsea team, he's a fantastic player.

[Fat Tom]

I fail to see what this has to do with the relative merits of Gallas V Rio?

More mockery.

It has to do with your obsession of Rio if you remember all his mistakes.
Look like I said lets just drop it this is going nowhere fast and will frustrate the shit outta the two of us

[Sound]

It has to do with your obsession of Rio if you remember all his mistakes.
Look like I said lets just drop it this is going nowhere fast and will frustrate the shit outta the two of us

I'm not frustrated in the least just fascinated how anyone could countenance comparing Rio and his goal leaking fuck ups to any of the 3 centre-halves at Chelsea who have been exemplary.

[Fat Tom]

I'm not frustrated in the least just fascinated how anyone could countenance comparing Rio and his goal leaking fuck ups to any of the 3 centre-halves at Chelsea who have been exemplary.

Like I said, I'm finished arguing it.
He has been bad this season, but on form he is class.
He was super against Everton at weekend.
Thats my case closed.

[Lamps]

He was super against Everton at weekend.


no he wasn't he ok at best, but in RioRatings this is an 8 out of 10.

[Fat Tom]

He had a great game.
Constantly driving forward, marshalling the defence and setting up moves.
Couple of great passes to Giggs to boot.
He had a very solid & rounded game.

[Sound]

Like I said, I'm finished arguing it.
He has been bad this season, but on form he is class.
He was super against Everton at weekend.
Thats my case closed.

That should be the rule rather than the exception. Pure mockery.

[shammy feen]

And what about Crespo, Tom...well???

Is he not world class???

[Fat Tom]

And what about Crespo, Tom...well???

Is he not world class???

What about him?
I think he is a class act.
Great Finisher, good in the air - lacks a bit of pace.

World Class - maybe not.
Especially since ye play Drogba ahead of him.

Answer this - who is top striker in the league this season?
And yet he isn't even playing his best and has F*ck all supply from midfield

[shammy feen]

Answer this - who is top striker in the league this season?
And yet he isn't even playing his best and has F*ck all supply from midfield

Its just that you said Chelsea had no top striker of note on page 1 of this thread and I think Crespo fits that bill..

Top striker???Frank Lampard?

[homer jay]

Answer this - who is top striker in the league this season?
And yet he isn't even playing his best and has F*ck all supply from midfield

fat frank

[Fat Tom]

Van and Himself are level.

I know yeah Crespo is very good but if you look at Chelsea they are always trying to improve.
I mean Wayne Bridge was good - but at time not the best in England.
Not a weakness but if you wanna be the best you improve.
Ditto with buying Carvalho, Essien, SWP.
No real weakness but a need to improve.

Crepso is good but if Chelsea want to improve they need a true World Class player.

A Sheva (would't suit syste), Henry(wouldn't suit system) or Adriano (best option available).
Ruud would fit the bill too - guaranteed goals and better supply than at United.

[Lamps]

What about him?
I think he is a class act.
Great Finisher, good in the air - lacks a bit of pace.

World Class - maybe not.
Especially since ye play Drogba ahead of him.

Answer this - who is top striker in the league this season?
And yet he isn't even playing his best and has F*ck all supply from midfield

best striker in the league this season has been Henry, no question, 8 goals from 9 games. who knows how many he'd have if he was fully fit

[Fat Tom]

fat frank

Frank Lampard Chelsea 11
Ruud van Nistelrooy Manchester United 11

[Lamps]

Frank Lampard Chelsea 11
Ruud van Nistelrooy Manchester United 11

as a tie breaker we'll factor in assists
horsey 1
fat frank 7

and the winner is...

[Fat Tom]

best striker in the league this season has been Henry, no question, 8 goals from 9 games. who knows how many he'd have if he was fully fit

Fair enough.
As same time Ruud has fuck all supply - isn't playing his best and still has a shit load of goals.

I'm just saying this is what Chelsea are lacking.
A top class scoring threat.
Crepso is good, Drogba does a job but neither are top, top class players

[homer jay]

Ruud would fit the bill too - guaranteed goals and better supply than at United.

i don't think the supply at chelski's all that great. when you've got a striker up front on his own like the chavs do, it's hard to score no matter who you are. chelski rely on their midfielders and wingers to get the goals, and of course the obligitory header from a corner which seems to be happening every week for them. so i don't think ruud would turn into a 'shevchenko' if he moved to the blues. he'd be isolated a lot more i think. chelski's forwards drop back a lot more than ruud does for utd

[Fat Tom]

i don't think the supply at chelski's all that great. when you've got a striker up front on his own like the chavs do, it's hard to score no matter who you are. chelski rely on their midfielders and wingers to get the goals, and of course the obligitory header from a corner which seems to be happening every week for them. so i don't think ruud would turn into a 'shevchenko' if he moved to the blues. he'd be isolated a lot more i think. chelski's forwards drop back a lot more than ruud does for utd

Holding up the ball and linking with midfielders is key to Chelseas success and this is where Ruud excels.