the reason ireland are so shit at rugby

[Lamps]

when you have 2 ponsey pres boys pulling the strings against the wrath and agression of a dragged up super tough kiwis with ball skills(and i'm only talking about the props) who have been playing the game since they were 4 then you know your in trouble.

our 'guys' haven't the heart for a scrap, its just a game of ball for them, sink a few heiners and cruise around D4 in the jag afterwards, go to a party and get on the society page of the sindo. fuck that.

[BangBeater]

yeah, what your sayin makes sense. them all-blacks live & breath it... just let the haka be an example of how they play.
our boys are just havin a good ol game of rugby, roysh....

[Teknique]

Stringer has to go.....now

[Lamps]

yeah, what your sayin makes sense. them all-blacks live & breath it... just let the haka be an example of how they play.
our boys are just havin a good ol game of rugby, roysh....

you said it brudder, anyone paying to go to secondary school can't really give a shit about something like sport where raw passion and desire are so crucial. its just a status thing for these knobjocks.

[Lamps]

Stringer has to go.....now

back to lilliput

[Homer J]

In fairness to the 2 pres boys, the whole team was shit, if Johnny Wilkinson was playing we still would have got a kicking.

Out of our fucking league against a team that wanted it more and was a class above in terms of skill.

[Lamps]

In fairness to the 2 pres boys, the whole team was shit, if Johnny Wilkinson was playing we still would have got a kicking.

Out of our fucking league against a team that wanted it more and was a class above in terms of skill.

i think most people could live with the skill problem as its their national game, for the irish its a minority sport played by the rich. but the problem was that ireland couldn't throw a 10 yard pass, for fucks sake like, these guys are now professionals, they practice every day and they still can't even master the basic skills. they might have had an excuse when they had to pop down to training for a half hour after a day at the surgery but nowadays that don't wash.

[Teknique]

ireland couldn't throw a 10 yard pass, for fucks sake like.

or catch a 10 yard pass in Anthony Horgans case

Whats the fuckin story with Ryle Nugent
Did he really think Ireland had a chance cos it was NZ's 2nd team?
or did he get excited by reading Eoins wishful thinking last friday

[Sound]

i think most people could live with the skill problem as its their national game, for the irish its a minority sport played by the rich. but the problem was that ireland couldn't throw a 10 yard pass, for fucks sake like, these guys are now professionals, they practice every day and they still can't even master the basic skills. they might have had an excuse when they had to pop down to training for a half hour after a day at the surgery but nowadays that don't wash.

Yes indeed. O Callaghan, O Connell, Leamy, O Connor, Byrne, Hayes et al are well known rich kids!

It is a minority sport and there is a priveleged element, especially in the Dublin schools system but you're tarring them all with one brush which is just plain wrong and ill-informed.

[Up For The Ba]

Did he really think Ireland had a chance cos it was NZ's 2nd team?


It wasnt really their second team though was it? At least 5/6 of them are first choice, irrelevant anyway really. The difference in class was off the scale. Realisticly Ireland will never be able to compete with the likes of the All Blacks. Its their national sport and they get coached in a professional manner from an extremely young age. Over here Rugby is down the pecking order behind the GAA and Soccer and truthfully only the GAA can boast an effective training programme for young kids on a national level.

[Homer J]

i think most people could live with the skill problem as its their national game, for the irish its a minority sport played by the rich. but the problem was that ireland couldn't throw a 10 yard pass, for fucks sake like, these guys are now professionals, they practice every day and they still can't even master the basic skills. they might have had an excuse when they had to pop down to training for a half hour after a day at the surgery but nowadays that don't wash.


Did a pres boy nick your girlfriend or something, alot of hostility towards them on this board, not sure you were giving out when O'Gara was scoring 17 points against South Africa last year or 18 against Austrailia the year before

[Lamps]

Did a pres boy nick your girlfriend or something, alot of hostility towards them on this board, not sure you were giving out when O'Gara was scoring 17 points against South Africa last year or 18 against Austrailia the year before

its not just the pres contingent, i had the same problem when little niall hogan was throwing passes five yards from his intended target as i do with stringer his. at least he had the excuse of being an amateur, what does stringer have.

ps. has anyone ever seen ogara or stringer make a break for the line and make it

[homer jay]

ps. has anyone ever seen ogara or stringer make a break for the line and make it

yeah, o'gara did against the springboks last year. i've seen stringer do it a few times as well.

but they were shocking saturday, stinger couldn't pass water. hook summed it up saying nz were playing 21st centuary rugby, ireland were playing 20th centuary rugby. the kiwi's wanted it more. ireland looked slow and tired. it depresses me the gulf in class and skill between the 2 countries.

[Lamps]

yeah, o'gara did against the springboks last year. i've seen stringer do it a few times as well.

but they were shocking saturday, stinger couldn't pass water. hook summed it up saying nz were playing 21st centuary rugby, ireland were playing 20th centuary rugby. the kiwi's wanted it more. ireland looked slow and tired. it depresses me the gulf in class and skill between the 2 countries.

anyone that thinks either ogara or stinger are up to international level is talking shit. ogara is a good tactical kicker, end of. he has no other string to his bow, the reason people thinks he's ok is cos of eddie hobbs negative gameplan which stifles any creativity we may have. on the other hand stringer hasn't even got a bow(except maybe his legendary foot tap that he has used twice), you'd think being 4 foot 2 would give him the advantage of a bit of speed. if your reading this peter, here's some advice, our front row is weak as shit, don't delay the put in to the scrum, especially don't delay it by say 7-10 seconds cos it'll fall down.

i can't believe people are saying ireland look tired and slow, it was their first game of the season FFS, its the all blacks that should be tired.

[POL]

anyone that thinks either ogara or stinger are up to international level is talking shit. ogara is a good tactical kicker, end of. he has no other string to his bow, the reason people thinks he's ok is cos of eddie hobbs negative gameplan which stifles any creativity we may have. on the other hand stringer hasn't even got a bow(except maybe his legendary foot tap that he has used twice), you'd think being 4 foot 2 would give him the advantage of a bit of speed. if your reading this peter, here's some advice, our front row is weak as shit, don't delay the put in to the scrum, especially don't delay it by say 7-10 seconds cos it'll fall down.

i can't believe people are saying ireland look tired and slow, it was their first game of the season FFS, its the all blacks that should be tired.

eddie hobbs? did you just pull a fitzy lamps?

[Lamps]

eddie hobbs? did you just pull a fitzy lamps?

that was deliberate POL, luckily for me, i've commented on it before. think i even posted a pic

[Teknique]

anyone that thinks either ogara or stinger are up to international level is talking shit. ogara is a good tactical kicker, end of.

Dead right
At times on Saturday in the 2nd half when Ireland "spread" the ball , the NZ 10 was already gambling on O'Gara knowing full well that he would not attempt a break and helping out in the center , 2 or 3 times there were holes in the NZ defense that could have been punched, that said McCaw was probably waiting for O'Gara had he attempted a break

[homer jay]

Dead right
At times on Saturday in the 2nd half when Ireland "spread" the ball , the NZ 10 was already gambling on O'Gara knowing full well that he would not attempt a break and helping out in the center , 2 or 3 times there were holes in the NZ defense that could have been punched, that said McCaw was probably waiting for O'Gara had he attempted a break

why didn't he (or eddie o'sullivan) see that passing the ball out wasn't working and kick the ball to the corners and push them back. we didn't have much time on the ball, and whenever we did get it, we turned it over, so he might as well have punted it all afternoon.

[Sound]

anyone that thinks either ogara or stinger are up to international level is talking shit. ogara is a good tactical kicker, end of. he has no other string to his bow, the reason people thinks he's ok is cos of eddie hobbs negative gameplan which stifles any creativity we may have. on the other hand stringer hasn't even got a bow(except maybe his legendary foot tap that he has used twice), you'd think being 4 foot 2 would give him the advantage of a bit of speed. if your reading this peter, here's some advice, our front row is weak as shit, don't delay the put in to the scrum, especially don't delay it by say 7-10 seconds cos it'll fall down.

i can't believe people are saying ireland look tired and slow, it was their first game of the season FFS, its the all blacks that should be tired.

This time last year O Gara was being talked up as the best FH in the NH and now he's being derided as not even international class.

The truth, as ever, is in between. He is as good a tactical kicker as you will get. He is also very, very good at getting the backline moving and has very decent spells of goal kicking. However, his physique will always count against him defensively and he is targeted as such. He had a very bad game against NZ but then so did everybody else so lets not act all tabloid about this eh?

[Lamps]

i would just like to clarify the eddie hobbs thing, i'd hate to think that langer dan thought i was fallible

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=435 48&highlight=hobbs


sound i've been saying for years that ogara is shit, but he's probably the best we've got. i don't think anybody outside ireland was saying best fh in nh though.
wilkinson hands down(when fit obviously) but jones and michalak and probably a few other french lads who i don't even know about would be rated better

[Echoboy]

The reason we are not good at rugby lads, is cos every fúcker is in the pub !!

Think about it .... you dont get that in most countries ... you have a far higher level participation when the country isn't on its ear every staurday night.

That is the short of it .... when people hit 18 to go to the pub and dont stop till they are mid 30s, in most countries people are involved in some sort of sport until they are 30 at least.

[Sound]

sound i've been saying for years that ogara is shit, but he's probably the best we've got. i don't think anybody outside ireland was saying best fh in nh though.
wilkinson hands down(when fit obviously) but jones and michalak and probably a few other french lads who i don't even know about would be rated better

You very well may have been but that does not make it so. He is a better tactical kicker than all those you mention bar Wilko but he hasnt been fit since God was in short pants. Jones had one good season. You haven't posted many reasons why you think he is so bad?

[KolaKubes]

when you have 2 ponsey pres boys pulling the strings against the wrath and agression of a dragged up super tough kiwis with ball skills(and i'm only talking about the props) who have been playing the game since they were 4 then you know your in trouble.

our 'guys' haven't the heart for a scrap, its just a game of ball for them, sink a few heiners and cruise around D4 in the jag afterwards, go to a party and get on the society page of the sindo. fuck that.

Seventh best team in the world, in a game played seriously by less than 10 nations? "World Class" my hole. The great thing about rugby traditionally was that it afforded guys with limited talent in proper sports an outlet, a little like rowing, surfing or paintballing. It's public profile here is completely out of kilter both with the standard of fare on show and the level of interest amongst the Irish as a whole - rather than that within D4. Fingers crossed that, in Cork at least, this thoroughly shite game will be helped back in its box by Cork City clinching the league title to go with the county's GAA success over the summer.

[Sound]

Seventh best team in the world, in a game played seriously by less than 10 nations? "World Class" my hole. The great thing about rugby traditionally was that it afforded guys with limited talent in proper sports an outlet, a little like rowing, surfing or paintballing. It's public profile here is completely out of kilter both with the standard of fare on show and the level of interest amongst the Irish as a whole - rather than that within D4. Fingers crossed that, in Cork at least, this thoroughly shite game will be helped back in its box by Cork City clinching the league title to go with the county's GAA success over the summer.

Is there any danger at all of you shutting the fuck up about what you know nothing about you clueless tool? I said we had a world class player in O' Driscoll, which we do- ask the Kiwis! Limited talent? If you think that what he does is easy you are more clueless than I could ever have imagined. Proper sports me hole. How is it out of kilter when every International against any opposition is always sold out. Did the football team sell out their recent international versus China? Did they fuck! Again the D4 nonsense but I have already proven that to be bollocks. If it vexes you so, do feel free not to use the stadium the IRFU lend the FAI...

[POL]

Seventh best team in the world, in a game played seriously by less than 10 nations? "World Class" my hole. The great thing about rugby traditionally was that it afforded guys with limited talent in proper sports an outlet, a little like rowing, surfing or paintballing. It's public profile here is completely out of kilter both with the standard of fare on show and the level of interest amongst the Irish as a whole - rather than that within D4. Fingers crossed that, in Cork at least, this thoroughly shite game will be helped back in its box by Cork City clinching the league title to go with the county's GAA success over the summer.

its amazing that guys get lauded for performing basic skills like catching and kicking the ball. A total load of bollix, when some six foot three big awkward bollix manages to actually catch a pass, Michael Corcoran or some other knobjockey like Jim Sherwin or Ryle Nugent nearly cream themselves, "fabulous hands by the big man" pass the sick bucket

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its amazing that guys get lauded for performing basic skills like catching and kicking the ball. A total load of bollix, when some six foot three big awkward bollix manages to actually catch a pass, Michael Corcoran or some other knobjockey like Jim Sherwin or Ryle Nugent nearly cream themselves, "fabulous hands by the big man" pass the sick bucket

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[POL]

In Ireland, rugby is a game for lads who aren't any good at proper sports. Its the last bastion for them, a refuge where their lack of natural talent can be disguised quite comfortably through the sheer mullocking that passes for "skill" In New Zealand its the national game, everybody plays, unlike Ireland where its the preserve of posh kunts with no skill. Thats whats wrong. If Ireland focused on the game like New Zealand do, we could probably pull together a half decent team in 10 or 20 years.

[Sound]

In Ireland, rugby is a game for lads who aren't any good at proper sports. Its the last bastion for them, a refuge where their lack of natural talent can be disguised quite comfortably through the sheer mullocking that passes for "skill" In New Zealand its the national game, everybody plays, unlike Ireland where its the preserve of posh kunts with no skill. Thats whats wrong. If Ireland focused on the game like New Zealand do, we could probably pull together a half decent team in 10 or 20 years.

There is certainly more scope for bigger lads playing rugby as forwards. There is an enormous amount of skill and timing in Rugby which is not apparent if you haven't played it. Granted, there was not much of it on show from Ireland on Saturday! It isn't the preserve of the priveleged everywhere as I am bored of pointing out. And we actually had a decent enough team for the last 18 months when all fit and punch above our weight for a small country with a tiny amount of players.

[Lamps]

we have guy working here, he's a second row forward for a local rugby team.. he came down to play 5 a side last week, it was a sight to behold. we thought he might a least be a bit of a mulocker who'd flake the ball out of the defence but he was even worse, it was like watching an oul doll playing football. trying to play a simple 5 yard pass with a toesie and still not being able to do it, absolutely no co-ordination or skill. at least half the rugger boys on these rugby teams just see a mass of bodies and hurl themselves on top of it. thats it, and let nobody tell you otherwise.

if truth be know then darts is a superior game, skill, nerve, the ability to perform under the influence

[POL]

we have guy working here, he's a second row forward for a local rugby team.. he came down to play 5 a side last week, it was a sight to behold. we thought he might a least be a bit of a mulocker who'd flake the ball out of the defence but he was even worse, it was like watching an oul doll playing football. trying to play a simple 5 yard pass with a toesie and still not being able to do it, absolutely no co-ordination or skill. at least half the rugger boys on these rugby teams just see a mass of bodies and hurl themselves on top of it. thats it, and let nobody tell you otherwise.

if truth be know then darts is a superior game, skill, nerve, the ability to perform under the influence

well said lamps

[Rebelred]

if truth be know then darts is a superior game, skill, nerve, the ability to perform under the influence
very good!

[Sound]

we have guy working here, he's a second row forward for a local rugby team.. he came down to play 5 a side last week, it was a sight to behold. we thought he might a least be a bit of a mulocker who'd flake the ball out of the defence but he was even worse, it was like watching an oul doll playing football. trying to play a simple 5 yard pass with a toesie and still not being able to do it, absolutely no co-ordination or skill. at least half the rugger boys on these rugby teams just see a mass of bodies and hurl themselves on top of it. thats it, and let nobody tell you otherwise.

if truth be know then darts is a superior game, skill, nerve, the ability to perform under the influence

So if you went down to a his game you would be able to fall in without a bother? At hooker perhaps? Or openside? Or would you just get stuck on the wing because 'at least he should be able to run?'. Give me a break willa. A lot of rugby positions have a certain amount of power as a pre-requisite. A lot of football players would fail dismally in this respect. That's hardly their fault, now is it?

I played both sports And hurling to a decent level. It is very apparent what skills are needed in football and hurling. Not so in rugby. There are specialist positions. There are very, very regimented and delicate set pieces like the lineout. Do you have any idea what actually happens in a scrum besides big lads puching one another? Decent back moves are far more a team effort than an attacking football move. Individual players cannot influence a game as much in rugby. None of this becomes apparent until you play the game.

[Homer J]

is this a thread against rugby or against the Irish rugby team, Lamps you obviously don't rate rugby as a sport and you seem to know fuck all about so why get so involved in the thread?

[Teknique]

regardless of weather a person from another sport could fit into a rugby team or vice versa , catching and passing the ball is a basic skill , 1 which Ireland seem yet to have mastered

[Homer J]

regardless of weather a person from another sport could fit into a rugby team or vice versa , catching and passing the ball is a basic skill , 1 which Ireland seem yet to have mastered


Passing the ball and catching is a basic skill and it is one our boys have mastered, it's doing at full speed with 16 stone of Kiwi coming at you looking to take your head off is the problem for our boys

[Langer Dan]

its not just the pres contingent, i had the same problem when little niall hogan was throwing passes five yards from his intended target as i do with stringer his. at least he had the excuse of being an amateur, what does stringer have.

ps. has anyone ever seen ogara or stringer make a break for the line and make it

Away to leicester two years ago ,at home to S. Africa last year.

Your views are utter tripe. Rich kids? fucking nonsense. Rugby in Ireland is a lot older than soccer and the grass roots support is there in the four provinces. Your typical pres boys and pints of Ken is so hackneyed as to beggar belief .

Care to share any similar views on "slutty" nurses or "waster" students.

If you were actually arsed going to support the only truly Irish team in this country(32 counties) then you could talk, otherwise shut up with your hurling from the ditch.

Uninformed oik.

[Homer J]

Away to leicester two years ago ,at home to S. Africa last year.

Your views are utter tripe. Rich kids? fucking nonsense. Rugby in Ireland is a lot older than soccer and the grass roots support is there in the four provinces. Your typical pres boys and pints of Ken is so hackneyed as to beggar belief .

Care to share any similar views on "slutty" nurses or "waster" students.

If you were actually arsed going to support the only truly Irish team in this country(36 counties) then you could talk, otherwise shut up with your hurling from the ditch.

Uninformed oik.

Fair point, well made but 36 counties?

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regardless of weather a person from another sport could fit into a rugby team or vice versa , catching and passing the ball is a basic skill , 1 which Ireland seem yet to have mastered

In fairness now Tek, I'd expect better of you. They were absolutely shit- no question. I wish could cut out the basic errors which are becoming more prevalent. But its not as if they have never been able to put together a decent passing move in the past? It isn't as if they have never managed to pass the ball well before? This is pretty much the same team who beat England at home after the WC.

[Up For The Ba]

(36 counties)

?

[Teknique]

If you were actually arsed going to support the only truly Irish team in this country(36 counties) then you could talk,



ahahahahahahahahahah hahahahahahahahaha
fitzy , we love you

[Up For The Ba]

we have guy working here, he's a second row forward for a local rugby team.. he came down to play 5 a side last week, it was a sight to behold. we thought he might a least be a bit of a mulocker who'd flake the ball out of the defence but he was even worse, it was like watching an oul doll playing football. trying to play a simple 5 yard pass with a toesie and still not being able to do it, absolutely no co-ordination or skill. at least half the rugger boys on these rugby teams just see a mass of bodies and hurl themselves on top of it. thats it, and let nobody tell you otherwise.

if truth be know then darts is a superior game, skill, nerve, the ability to perform under the influence

Probably the poorest post of the week so far. I dont know that much about rugby either but i`m under no illusion that there is not a large skill element to various aspects of the game. Anybody could walk up to a darts board and get good at it fairly quickly, i wouldnt think the same logic would apply to rugby.

[Langer Dan]

?

ya grand I made a typo, ffs like.

*& cue 6 months slagging, multiple threads and t-shirts*

stop getting off the point on a losing argument here.

Those who say Rugby involves no skill are clearly talking thru their holes.
Anyone who has ever seen Lomu, Wilkinson, O'Driscoll or Rokocoko in action cannot say rugby is a game deviod of skill.

[KolaKubes]

is this a thread against rugby or against the Irish rugby team, Lamps you obviously don't rate rugby as a sport and you seem to know fuck all about so why get so involved in the thread?

He started the fucking thread, maybe that's it?

Any sport where you can measure the "quality" of forward player in stones is a fucking joke. You get mullackers in all sorts of sports but only in Rugby is it praised as an art.

If only someone had fucked William Webb Ellis into a river when the stupid cunt couldn't follow the rules...

[Langer Dan]

He started the fucking thread, maybe that's it?

Any sport where you can measure the "quality" of forward player in stones is a fucking joke. You get mullackers in all sorts of sports but only in Rugby is it praised as an art.

If only someone had fucked William Webb Ellis into a river when the stupid cunt couldn't follow the rules...

thats nonsense, it really is.
Anyone who saw the All blacks awesome display on Saturday could not say rugby is game devoid of skills.

Peter crouch is a donkey. By your reasoning that makes everyone in soccer donkeys.

Rugby is a game played by men who take their hits and get on with it , not like the over paid nancy boys who grind out 0-0 week in, week out for tens of thousands of pounds whilst goignt o ground as if shot at the merest hint of contact..

If you want to slag off rugby then heres the main case for the argument in its favour.

http://www.erikapalomino.co m.br/imagens/img_md_noti/imagem/freddie1.jpg

fupping nancy boys.

[Sound]

He started the fucking thread, maybe that's it?

Any sport where you can measure the "quality" of forward player in stones is a fucking joke. You get mullackers in all sorts of sports but only in Rugby is it praised as an art.

If only someone had fucked William Webb Ellis into a river when the stupid cunt couldn't follow the rules...

Well debated Sir! Good comeback on all the points put to you.

Nobody has ever measured the quality of forwards in weight. Power would be a feature of how SOME of the forwards are measured. Weight is mentioned to deduce how much power is needed for a pack to give a platform. This is proof positive that you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about

[Teknique]

In fairness now Tek, I'd expect better of you. They were absolutely shit- no question.

born out of frustration of seeing people clearly past it still trying to play

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born out of frustration of seeing people clearly past it still trying to play

True enough in the case of Horgan. An international wing getting caught by a 2nd row is an absolute disgrace. I reckon Trimble for the centre and Shane Horgan banished to the wing.

[Homer J]

He started the fucking thread, maybe that's it?

Any sport where you can measure the "quality" of forward player in stones is a fucking joke. You get mullackers in all sorts of sports but only in Rugby is it praised as an art.

If only someone had fucked William Webb Ellis into a river when the stupid cunt couldn't follow the rules...


Weight is important in rugby because it is a physical game where players put their bodies on the line, Simon Easterby broke his nose 2 weeks ago and played on Saturday, you don't get any footballers showing that level on dedication.

as for your point on mullackers, anyone who has seen Kevin Kilbane play well recently?

[POL]

36 counties

hehe, we love you Fitzy, we do, we love you fitzy, we do, How was the game Fitzy, did you have a nice seat?

[Teknique]

hehe, we love you Fitzy, we do, we love you fitzy, we do, How was the game Fitzy, did you have a nice seat?


he makes it oh so easy.....he was probably waiting outside corke park wondering where all the crowds were

[POL]

Weight is important in rugby because it is a physical game where players put their bodies on the line, Simon Easterby broke his nose 2 weeks ago and played on Saturday, you don't get any footballers showing that level on dedication.

as for your point on mullackers, anyone who has seen Kevin Kilbane play well recently?

hardmen my Arse, Gordon Darcy couldn't play a game because he was "exhausted". Fucking overpaid, over hyped pansy.

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hardmen my Arse, Gordon Darcy couldn't play a game because he was "exhausted". Fucking overpaid, over hyped pansy.

In fairness now POL, I have three words, Harry Fucking Kewell!

[Langer Dan]

he makes it oh so easy.....he was probably waiting outside corke park wondering where all the crowds were

yes thats right thats exactly where I was, retard.

How do think the game was?

it was a fucking disaster.
moron.

[Coin]

Slagging off other peoples sports is stupid, as is claiming your sport is better than others (players attitudes in various sports are fair game though).

Absolutely no one can claim there is no skill in a sport they haven't played. I've no idea exactly why Paul O'Connell is a good player, but I can see the difference it makes when he's not there. Clearly he has some abilities that others don't.

[KolaKubes]

Well debated Sir! Good comeback on all the points put to you.

Nobody has ever measured the quality of forwards in weight. Power would be a feature of how SOME of the forwards are measured. Weight is mentioned to deduce how much power is needed for a pack to give a platform. This is proof positive that you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about

Really? So why did they mention it numerous times in the BBC's recap of the weekend's action yesterday afternoon? You're full of it Sound, the "mysterious" world of forward play is no more than a souped up shoving match with gouging and cauliflower ears thrown in, all designed to provide the handful of guys able to throw a ball straight with the platform to play.

You get mullackers in every game, from limpet-like man markers in GAA wanking themselves silly because they managed to stop a proper hurler from playing by fair means or foul to donkeys like John Terry throwing themselves around the field, but it's only in Rugby that they've actually managed to take over the show. The ONLY quality you need to play rugby is to be a big cunt, anything else is a bonus. That, in itself, wouldn't get you on an intermediate team in GAA let alone a higher level.

Perhaps the point is that Rugby, as played by the Kiwis, is actually a damned good game, a blend of fine athletes of different physical capabilities but, critically, all having the basic skills of the game. There it's the national sport, here it's a game played by the dregs.

[Lamps]

so there i was doing a bit of work and i says fux it i'll come back to the proc and have a sconse at the oul thread.
enter newly found rugger apologist and random freddie ljundberg in his jocks poster langer tom to have a go.

the only true 36 county team in the republic. fucking hell i nearly wet myself, people checking my cube to see if i'm ok. you couldn't make it up.

btw bet you one of the unlucky(lucky?) ones whose seat caught fire??

[Teknique]

yes thats right thats exactly where I was


thought so

[Langer Dan]

over the show. The ONLY quality you need to play rugby is to be a big cunt, . .


Rugby, as played by the Kiwis, is actually a damned good game,.

way to contradict yourself.

[Langer Dan]

thought so


heh heh heh

corke park




Spastic.

[Teknique]

yes my typing is a little off today Daniel , many apologies , I am retarded

you win this round , grrrrrrrr


btw , where are u going on Holidays this year Dan?
How about a break in Ireland maybe......
I hear counties 33 to 36 are lovely this time of year

[Sound]

Really? So why did they mention it numerous times in the BBC's recap of the weekend's action yesterday afternoon? You're full of it Sound, the "mysterious" world of forward play is no more than a souped up shoving match with gouging and cauliflower ears thrown in, all designed to provide the handful of guys able to throw a ball straight with the platform to play.

You get mullackers in every game, from limpet-like man markers in GAA wanking themselves silly because they managed to stop a proper hurler from playing by fair means or foul to donkeys like John Terry throwing themselves around the field, but it's only in Rugby that they've actually managed to take over the show. The ONLY quality you need to play rugby is to be a big cunt, anything else is a bonus. That, in itself, wouldn't get you on an intermediate team in GAA let alone a higher level.

Perhaps the point is that Rugby, as played by the Kiwis, is actually a damned good game, a blend of fine athletes of different physical capabilities but, critically, all having the basic skills of the game. There it's the national sport, here it's a game played by the dregs.

I'll try explaining again for the hard of reading. I will use CAPS for the important bits.

Nobody has ever measured the QUALITY of forwards in weight. If that were the case John Hayes would have minced the NZ scrum last Saturday- but he didn't because his crummaging TECHNIQUE is poor. He could have been 30 stone and he would have still been destroyed. Being heavy is an asset to a certain point but a hell of a lot more is required. In fact being excessively tall is a disadvantage for a prop. What do you know about binding? Body position? Please do tell?

There are mullackers in every sport.

Complaining about the standard of rugby we play versus the Kiwis is redundant. How is our football versus what Brazil play?

[KolaKubes]

Weight is important in rugby because it is a physical game where players put their bodies on the line, Simon Easterby broke his nose 2 weeks ago and played on Saturday, you don't get any footballers showing that level on dedication.

as for your point on mullackers, anyone who has seen Kevin Kilbane play well recently?

Sorry man, that's rubbish. I've seen that sort of dedication in spades in football, hurling and soccer at all sorts of levels. I've played through many an injury myself. You can have a leg shattered or ligaments shredded in seconds in a soccer game and coming back from such an injury can be difficult. The main form of dedication in rugby is preening and (at a local level) drinking.

[Langer Dan]

yes my typing is a little off today Daniel , many apologies , I am retarded

you win this round , grrrrrrrr


btw , where are u going on Holidays this year Dan?
How about a break in Ireland maybe......
I hear counties 33 to 36 are lovely this time of year

yah I might take in Corke park while im at it, where is it exactly??

[Teknique]

yah I might take in Corke park while im at it, where is it exactly??

county 34

[POL]

Perhaps the point is that Rugby, as played by the Kiwis, is actually a damned good game, a blend of fine athletes of different physical capabilities but, critically, all having the basic skills of the game. There it's the national sport, here it's a game played by the dregs.

EXACTLY

[Sound]

so there i was doing a bit of work and i says fux it i'll come back to the proc and have a sconse at the oul thread.
enter newly found rugger apologist and random freddie ljundberg in his jocks poster langer tom to have a go.

the only true 36 county team in the republic. fucking hell i nearly wet myself, people checking my cube to see if i'm ok. you couldn't make it up.

btw bet you one of the unlucky(lucky?) ones whose seat caught fire??

Seriously Lamps, slagging match with LD aside, feel free to answer any of the points I put to you. I'm interested in what you think rather than having to slap KK all over the thread again.

[Langer Dan]

btw bet you one of the unlucky(lucky?) ones whose seat caught fire??

terracing tends not to have seating.

Your knowledge of Rugby is only matched by your complex understanding of seating/Terracing.


stick to the gloryhunting.
Chelsea me hole.

[Lamps]

terracing tends not to have seating.

Your knowledge of Rugby is only matched by your complex understanding of seating/Terracing.


stick to the gloryhunting.
Chelsea me hole.

i concede defeat, back in my box for me

[Saucyjack]

Getting away from the stupid slagging and kiddie name calling we are'nt that bad after a very bad day on Sat.against a great second string NZ.
Munster and Munster tactics would have worked well on Sat - we still would have lost but not buy such a margin as we don't yhave the players to play the expansive game against a country roughly the same size as ours with rugby as a religion over there.
Drop Byrne,Hayes & Stringer before the Aussies humilate us even more on Sat.
Start building for the next World Cup !

[KolaKubes]

What do you know about binding? Body position? Please do tell?



I know that the Kiwis tackling technique has evolved, thrusting lower then upwards and is partly responsible for the "spear tackles" that we've seen. I appreciate that the height of players and the distribution of their weight is very important in terms of functioning in the front row, in fact, too tall a player could end up having their back snapped.

I also watched a very entertaining game (highlights) of Great Britain vs NZ on Sunday where they've virtually done away with the fucking scrum and it's a damned sight better to watch with some fantastic scores. In fact, the only possible reason I can see for the popularity of Union here is simple snobbery with many of the changes seen in the past number of years in Union being directly "borrowed" from the superior Rugby code e.g. the blanket defence, focus on gaining territory yard by yard, etc. Even the Rugby sevens is just Union's effort to produce a game which even touches on the skill and dash of a League game.

[Lamps]

Seriously Lamps, slagging match with LD aside, feel free to answer any of the points I put to you. I'm interested in what you think rather than having to slap KK all over the thread again.

not really in a position to go back through the thread to see the question(gay porn at work etc etc) but i think it was the fact that i said rog was shit. my point was that he was a tactical goal kicker(which doesn't mean a whole lot these days with lifting in the lineout) with nothin else to offer. he is a best an average kicker with a tendency to bottle it. he can't tackle or make a break as he is too weak. i think his decision making is questionable to say the least. he's a 6 out of 10 player.

[Saucyjack]

I know that the Kiwis tackling technique has evolved, thrusting lower then upwards and is partly responsible for the "spear tackles" that we've seen. I appreciate that the height of players and the distribution of their weight is very important in terms of functioning in the front row, in fact, too tall a player could end up having their back snapped.

I also watched a very entertaining game (highlights) of Great Britain vs NZ on Sunday where they've virtually done away with the fucking scrum and it's a damned sight better to watch with some fantastic scores. In fact, the only possible reason I can see for the popularity of Union here is simple snobbery with many of the changes seen in the past number of years in Union being directly "borrowed" from the superior Rugby code e.g. the blanket defence, focus on gaining territory yard by yard, etc. Even the Rugby sevens is just Union's effort to produce a game which even touches on the skill and dash of a League game.

Rugby Union will be the same as Rugby League very soon the way things are going.

[Sound]

not really in a position to go back through the thread to see the question(gay porn at work etc etc) but i think it was the fact that i said rog was shit. my point was that he was a tactical goal kicker(which doesn't mean a whole lot these days with lifting in the lineout) with nothin else to offer. he is a best an average kicker with a tendency to bottle it. he can't tackle or make a break as he is too weak. i think his decision making is questionable to say the least. he's a 6 out of 10 player.

His defence is crap but his distribution is hugely underrated in my view.

[KolaKubes]

Rugby Union will be the same as Rugby League very soon the way things are going.

If the IRB adopted the League rule book in the morning, I'd be an awful lot more interested in the Six Nations this year. The talk about the wonders of forward play, to my blissfully ignorant mind, sound exactly like those claiming the Milan V Juventus CL final was a fascinating tactical duel which only those who really understood their football could truly grasp the beauty of.

Like fuck it was, Emperor's New Clothes more like.

Get the mullackers off the field and back concentrating on their bouncer duties and Gordo, Dricco and the rest could probably produce an entertaining spectacle. I could probably overlook the smug, D4 git thing just about, it's not as if I'll actually go and watch a bloody rugby game after all.

[Lamps]

His defence is crap but his distribution is hugely underrated in my view.

the problem is that in Ireland if you can skip pass a man then you're considered class, it should be a given that he can do this whenever he wants. stringer should be able to do likewise(neither of them can) and all the backs should be able to at least throw the ball where they want, and catch it when its on a plate. something like off loading in the tackle(even in terms of speed of thought) seems completely alien to every irish player bar dricco

[Saucyjack]

The spear tackle should be outlawed the same as in Rugby League. ( i think that its illegal in their rules 99% sure ).
We may need to gte travellers and our immigrants playing rugby because physically we are too small mor emuscle athlethism and less bulk ah la John Hayes.

[Sound]

I know that the Kiwis tackling technique has evolved, thrusting lower then upwards and is partly responsible for the "spear tackles" that we've seen. I appreciate that the height of players and the distribution of their weight is very important in terms of functioning in the front row, in fact, too tall a player could end up having their back snapped.

I also watched a very entertaining game (highlights) of Great Britain vs NZ on Sunday where they've virtually done away with the fucking scrum and it's a damned sight better to watch with some fantastic scores. In fact, the only possible reason I can see for the popularity of Union here is simple snobbery with many of the changes seen in the past number of years in Union being directly "borrowed" from the superior Rugby code e.g. the blanket defence, focus on gaining territory yard by yard, etc. Even the Rugby sevens is just Union's effort to produce a game which even touches on the skill and dash of a League game.

Binding and body position in the FRONT ROW seeing as that's what you were giving about saying it takes no skill.

What about your assertion that you just need to be a heavy cunt? Care to actually defend yourself rather than change the subject?

Spear tackling is another welcome addition from league! And where do you think league have gotten their newly found kicking skills? It's a two way street.

I just think anyone, not just you, denegrating a sport they know nothing about is foolhardy at best.

[Sound]

the problem is that in Ireland if you can skip pass a man then you're considered class, it should be a given that he can do this whenever he wants. stringer should be able to do likewise(neither of them can) and all the backs should be able to at least throw the ball where they want, and catch it when its on a plate. something like off loading in the tackle(even in terms of speed of thought) seems completely alien to every irish player bar dricco

The whole nation is over-reacting to this game in my view. Yes, Ireland were shit. Yes, NZ were great and really made Ireland look amateur. But, Ireland have played fantastic stuff in the past and will do so again. In fact, we have a great opportunity to make up for it against the Aussies.

[Homer J]

We were shite at the weekend but we will be a hell of lot better when we play the Aussies. We got the tactics very wrong at the weekend, drifting defence against the rushing up favoured by Wasps and South Africa. We looked so bad because we moved from our pressure game, kicking to the corners to a running game without having the players for the system or the match practice. O'Sullivan deserves some stick about this.

[homer jay]

We were shite at the weekend but we will be a hell of lot better when we play the Aussies. We got the tactics very wrong at the weekend, drifting defence against the rushing up favoured by Wasps and South Africa. We looked so bad because we moved from our pressure game, kicking to the corners to a running game without having the players for the system or the match practice. O'Sullivan deserves some stick about this.

whoa, stealing my name and my ideas.

why didn't he (or eddie o'sullivan) see that passing the ball out wasn't working and kick the ball to the corners and push them back. we didn't have much time on the ball, and whenever we did get it, we turned it over, so he might as well have punted it all afternoon.

[Homer J]

whoa, stealing my name and my ideas.


Such an orginal name and idea as well

[homer jay]

Such an orginal name and idea as well

indeed

[Lamps]

whoa, stealing my name and my ideas.

i think i'm speaking for everyone when i say, we hadn't noticed.

in other news i think we should all put our cards on the table and declare if we went to fee paying schools or not. for the pres/christians/bruce guys to be sticking up for the sport is a bit disingenuious don't you think. its like louis walsh trying to be impartial on the panel of an english reality tv show with irish contestents.

so i'm a colaiste chriost ri alumni

sound?
tom?

[Homer J]

indeed


I can see I am dealing with a genius here

[Sound]

i think i'm speaking for everyone when i say, we hadn't noticed.

in other news i think we should all put our cards on the table and declare if we went to fee paying schools or not. for the pres/christians/bruce guys to be sticking up for the sport is a bit disingenuious don't you think. its like louis walsh trying to be impartial on the panel of an english reality tv show with irish contestents.

so i'm a colaiste chriost ri alumni

sound?
tom?

I went to the North Mon.

[KolaKubes]

Binding and body position in the FRONT ROW seeing as that's what you were giving about saying it takes no skill.

What about your assertion that you just need to be a heavy cunt? Care to actually defend yourself rather than change the subject?

Spear tackling is another welcome addition from league! And where do you think league have gotten their newly found kicking skills? It's a two way street.

I just think anyone, not just you, denegrating a sport they know nothing about is foolhardy at best.

I wouldn't normally do this but seeing as you're a pedant, it's hardly true to say I know NOTHING about rugby. I certainly know as much if not more than the "hardcore" rugby fans enthusing about the game when Munster were at their peak a few years ago and who've gone all quiet all of a sudden.

Now Sound, to re-iterate, being a big awkward cunt and nothing else can, seemingly, get you into a "world class" international side but you need to be that and have the ball skills to match to make it into a genuinely quality side like NZ.

[Lamps]

I went to the North Mon.

then i can honestly say that i respect your opinion on the subject.

[Sound]

Now Sound, to re-iterate, being a big awkward cunt and nothing else can, seemingly, get you into a "world class" international side but you need to be that and have the ball skills to match to make it into a genuinely quality side like NZ.

Repitition wont make it so. This only seems so to you.

You have not told me anything about your extensive knowledge of the dark arts of the front row?

And, again, comparing NZ forwards to Ireland forwards is the same as comparing Irish football defenders to Brazilians? O Shea V Carlos anyone? Carr V Cafu? Give it a rest.

[Lamps]

Repitition wont make it so. This only seems so to you.

You have not told me anything about your extensive knowledge of the dark arts of the front row?

And, again, comparing NZ forwards to Ireland forwards is the same as comparing Irish football defenders to Brazilians? O Shea V Carlos anyone? Carr V Cafu? Give it a rest.

i'm not so sure. far from being an expert on the subject but wasn't it only a couple of years ago that new zealand forward play was considered a laughing stock. how can they turn this around so quickly with many of the same players? why is it that john hayes has been such a poor scrummager all his life? i remember when he came on the scene and it was identified as a weakness, if anything he's gotten worse

[Sound]

i'm not so sure. far from being an expert on the subject but wasn't it only a couple of years ago that new zealand forward play was considered a laughing stock. how can they turn this around so quickly with many of the same players? why is it that john hayes has been such a poor scrummager all his life? i remember when he came on the scene and it was identified as a weakness, if anything he's gotten worse

Most of the retained players are the locks and all they needed to do was work on the lineout. NZ have brought in young, hungry (in all senses of the word! ;0) props. They play a far better standard all year in the NPC and Super 12/14 rather than just the occasional HC game. Plus they have learned from the success of the English in the WC. At one point in the WC the English scrum were two men down and they still were able to push people around due to technique and physique.

In short NZ have evolved. Australia and Ireland have not- hence they are both in a state.

You're right about Hayes though. He has gotten worse and is a spent force.

[dancefreak2003]

Most of the retained players are the locks and all they needed to do was work on the lineout. NZ have brought in young, hungry (in all senses of the word! ;0) props. They play a far better standard all year in the NPC and Super 12/14 rather than just the occasional HC game. Plus they have learned from the success of the English in the WC. At one point in the WC the English scrum were two men down and they still were able to push people around due to technique and physique.

In short NZ have evolved. Australia and Ireland have not- hence they are both in a state.

You're right about Hayes though. He has gotten worse and is a spent force.


Who's there to replace him though...is there a complete shortage of quality front row players, or are they all being overlooked?

[KolaKubes]

i think i'm speaking for everyone when i say, we hadn't noticed.

in other news i think we should all put our cards on the table and declare if we went to fee paying schools or not. for the pres/christians/bruce guys to be sticking up for the sport is a bit disingenuious don't you think. its like louis walsh trying to be impartial on the panel of an english reality tv show with irish contestents.

so i'm a colaiste chriost ri alumni

sound?
tom?

I went to Colmans in Fermoy but hadn't much time for their Harty Cup obsession so I'm neither an embittered CBS boy nor a GAA head.

[Sound]

Who's there to replace him though...is there a complete shortage of quality front row players, or are they all being overlooked?

Indeed. We have guys with decent technique but not the power to go with it. The Best's came on against NZ and the scrum improved. TBH, we would be lucky to get parity with the two lads. We dont exactly have the DNA for an abundance of powerful props.

[dancefreak2003]

Well asides from the Front row, IMO it's a travesty that Trevor Brennan hasn't been picked in years.

Reading about how he's getting on in the Irish times just makes me wonder what the hell he did to piss of the IRFU so much?

[Sound]

Well asides from the Front row, IMO it's a travesty that Trevor Brennan hasn't been picked in years.

Reading about how he's getting on in the Irish times just makes me wonder what the hell he did to piss of the IRFU so much?

Nail. Head. If he is good enough for the European champs, he is certainly good enough for an injury hit Ireland.

Maybe he slept with Eddie's missus!

[Homer J]

The IRFU doesn't want to pick any players based outside of Ireland, Brennan is a too high profile for their liking. It took them years to pick Murphy and O'Connor only got the nod because England wanted him to play for them. Bob Casey and Glesson at London Irish are other examples.

[Sound]

The IRFU doesn't want to pick any players based outside of Ireland, Brennan is a too high profile for their liking. It took them years to pick Murphy and O'Connor only got the nod because England wanted him to play for them. Bob Casey and Glesson at London Irish are other examples.

I wish they'd stick with it to get rid of Byrne!

Seriously though, we have far too shallow a pool of players for this nonsense even if the principle is sound.

[Homer J]

I wish they'd stick with it to get rid of Byrne!

Seriously though, we have far too shallow a pool of players for this nonsense even if the principle is sound.


Christ Byrne was useless on Saturday

We probably have about 25 top level players and to not pick them because the are playing abroad is rubbish, especially as most of them left to get a game in the first place

[Fat Tom]

Byrne is hopeless - the fact that he is older than Wood tells you what a waste of space he is. "I'll keep playing till the guy ahead of me retires and I'll break through to the squad when I'm over 30."

Frankie would be miles better than him.

O Garas place kicking from hands used to be way better than it is now - he has gone off the boil and is limited. Deffo not world class.

Stringer is just plain useless if you ask me.
We aren't bad at full strength but the point about Irish fellas playing abroad is all too valid.

Our passing the last day was shocking for an international side.
In soccer or GAA even a limited player can pass the ball 20 yards and has the technique to do so.I don't see how a Rugby professional can't

[Langer Dan]

The whole nation is over-reacting to this game in my view. Yes, Ireland were shit. Yes, NZ were great and really made Ireland look amateur. But, Ireland have played fantastic stuff in the past and will do so again. In fact, we have a great opportunity to make up for it against the Aussies.

Agreed, total knee jerk reaction. Very similar to United's treatment after the Lille result. Thing of nothing.

Simply put O'sullivan failed to bring new blood into the side last season and we are paying the result now.

Bizarre selection (omitting Axel, Leamy no.8) and persitance with rubbish players. Dempsey, O'Kelly, Byrne, (sorry to say it) A.Horgan is costing Ireland dearly.

The All blacks were in a different league but O'Sullivan's questionavble move to abandon Irelands kicking game backfired badly, the decision to have O'Gara move ball from hand instead of trying to kick to the corner and contest the lineouts meant we were hosed by a superior team with ball in hand.

That said Nonu should have walked ,if the new RFU directive was being implemented, Kaplan is a tosser of a ref.

[Langer Dan]

Nail. Head. If he is good enough for the European champs, he is certainly good enough for an injury hit Ireland.

Maybe he slept with Eddie's missus!

O'sullivan is a twat when it comes to selection.
His continued persistance with Byrne , O'kelly ahead of Donncha.
Wallace in the wilderness for years.
Flying in the face of common sense by making O'Connor wait so long for his debut.

Ignoring Brennan is just another in along line of O'Sullivan toeing the the line with Leinster based IRFU Pressure , the guy couldn't pick his strongest team to save his life, just look at the Humphreys/ROG farce in 2002.

[D number 10]

its not just the pres contingent, i had the same problem when little niall hogan was throwing passes five yards from his intended target as i do with stringer his. at least he had the excuse of being an amateur, what does stringer have.

ps. has anyone ever seen ogara or stringer make a break for the line and make it
yes anyone else.

[Lamps]

yes anyone else.



you really know you've made it in the INTERNET sports discussion scene when fellas you've never heard of are digging up 2 year old threads to make some weird point.

[D number 10]

you really know you've made it in the INTERNET sports discussion scene when fellas you've never heard of are digging up 2 year old threads to make some weird point.
i was bored ... was interested to know what you and the other bluffer POL had been writing on Peter Stringer.
you seem to make up things to suit yourself

[Lamps]

i was bored ... was interested to know what you and the other bluffer POL had been writing on Peter Stringer.
you seem to make up things to suit yourself

a fan of the SFI are we?

[D number 10]

a fan of the SFI are we?
SFI...which means??