2006 All-Ireland Provincial football draw

[Jim Comic]

MUNSTER

Semi-finals:

Kerry/Waterford v Tipperary

Clare/Limerick v Cork




http://www.rte.ie/sport/2005/1111/football.html

[Ringy]

Best we could have hoped for with the exception of Limerick but should take them anyway as they are a team going backwards but we are slowly but surely progressing. Still going to get beat in Killarney though, if it was in the Pairc next year I may have fancied us more

[Johnnyc]

I wouldn't be a bit worried about Limerick, I think we're going to take the Kingdom next year in munster, I've a really good feeling about it, the semi final this year was just a temporaray blip fingers crossed

[Fat Tom]

Not a hope.

Kerry have far too much class for Cork and Cork haven't a corner back or forward of note to drouble kerry.

Who'd mark Cooper?

It took two Tyrone players and they have arguably the best corner back in the country.

He still kicked 3 points from play and made the goal not to mention a few frees.

Kerrys new kid on the block Darren O Sullivan could cause Cork problems too.

Cork are strong midfield and half forward line and half back line are good but the full back line and full forward line are shocking.

Masters offers you nothing but frees.
MacCarthy is too slow on the ball.
Hayes is very, very markable.
Gould is very, very markable.
Clifford is too hot and cold.
Brendan Jer won't get much change outta Mike MacCarthy.

Stopping Cooper is key - 2 teams had similar tactics this year to negate his threat and while he still had influence he was stifled a bit. Without doubt the best player in the country right now.

[Johnnyc]

Well we'll see it all comes down to the day, you should know by now if you have any interest in big derby games form is thrown out the window on the day, Cork did suffer a heavy defeat in the semi final, but ran them very close in the munster final this year and could have easily taken them, only time will tell

[Fat Tom]

But you would agree that most of Corks problems I've highlighted are there and need to remedied.

They have serious problems in terms of threat in forwards and corner backs are hopeless.

Put Canty sweeping in front of Gooch and ye'll have a chance.

2 players on him or no hope at all I reckon.

It'll be close in Munster it always is - in a way I'd nearly rather lose against Tipp or Waterford, but I'd hate the jibes from Cork boys.

If we did we'd have far more competitive games before we meet the northerners - we'll realistically only have one real challenge before we meet Tyrone or Armagh (more than likely - how did their draw pan out?)

[Lamps]

Not a hope.

Kerry have far too much class for Cork and Cork haven't a corner back or forward of note to drouble kerry.

Who'd mark Cooper?

It took two Tyrone players and they have arguably the best corner back in the country.

He still kicked 3 points from play and made the goal not to mention a few frees.

Kerrys new kid on the block Darren O Sullivan could cause Cork problems too.

Cork are strong midfield and half forward line and half back line are good but the full back line and full forward line are shocking.

Masters offers you nothing but frees.
MacCarthy is too slow on the ball.
Hayes is very, very markable.
Gould is very, very markable.
Clifford is too hot and cold.
Brendan Jer won't get much change outta Mike MacCarthy.

Stopping Cooper is key - 2 teams had similar tactics this year to negate his threat and while he still had influence he was stifled a bit. Without doubt the best player in the country right now.

this is about cork football, so sling it you racist muck savage.

on the to football, i wouldn't be overconfident about beating limerick, they may be in decline but are still easily a match for cork. lets hope the savages are also in decline. there should be a few retirees and if someone can do the gooch an injury in the league we're flying. wouldn't it be great to beat a county whose sole pursuit in life, robbing tourists and telling anyone who'll listen that they're skint aside, is playing the most inferior of the gaa codes(to be fair handball is a top game too) and us not really giving a shite one way or the other about the sport

[Johnnyc]

I wouldn't be disputing the problem areas they are there for everyone to see, for the moment we're not up there with the northern counties, but just to take Kerry in Munster next year would satisfy a lot of supporters. We didn't get any credit for beating them in 2002 due to the sad circumstances surrounding our victory, but we did force a replay that year when both teams were full strength, so to some people its like we haven't beaten them since 99 I can't wait for another tilt off them next year and a weekend in Killarney of course!!

[Johnnyc]

this is about cork football, so sling it you racist muck savage.

on the to football, i wouldn't be overconfident about beating limerick, they may be in decline but are still easily a match for cork. lets hope the savages are also in decline. there should be a few retirees and if someone can do the gooch an injury in the league we're flying. wouldn't it be great to beat a county whose sole pursuit in life, robbing tourists and telling anyone who'll listen that they're skint aside, is playing the most inferior of the gaa codes(to be fair handball is a top game too) and us not really giving a shite one way or the other about the sport

hee hee

[Fat Tom]

this is about cork football, so sling it you racist muck savage.

on the to football, i wouldn't be overconfident about beating limerick, they may be in decline but are still easily a match for cork. lets hope the savages are also in decline. there should be a few retirees and if someone can do the gooch an injury in the league we're flying. wouldn't it be great to beat a county whose sole pursuit in life, robbing tourists and telling anyone who'll listen that they're skint aside, is playing the most inferior of the gaa codes(to be fair handball is a top game too) and us not really giving a shite one way or the other about the sport

We are ye starting a thread about it so?

They are back training and so far no retired players.
Ye'll need to do Gooch an injury.

Inferior in your opinion.

[Johnnyc]

we won't stoop to injuring your best player at all, we'll concentrate on getting our own act together, every player has his off days, no one is perfect














except Ringy

[Fat Tom]

Ever seen Gooch have a bad game - No?

Neither have I and I've been watching and playing against him for years.
He'll go down as one of the greatest players to ever play the game.

It takes two players to mark him it says enough.

8-18 in 5 Championship games in Kerry this year.
And one of them he only scored a point after returning from Oz and was visibly wrecked.

Only kicked 2 wides all year in All Ireland Championship and scored 4-18 from play.

The boy is a legend.

[Bould Tady Quill]

But you would agree that most of Corks problems I've highlighted are there and need to remedied.

They have serious problems in terms of threat in forwards and corner backs are hopeless.

Put Canty sweeping in front of Gooch and ye'll have a chance.

2 players on him or no hope at all I reckon.

It'll be close in Munster it always is - in a way I'd nearly rather lose against Tipp or Waterford, but I'd hate the jibes from Cork boys.

If we did we'd have far more competitive games before we meet the northerners - we'll realistically only have one real challenge before we meet Tyrone or Armagh (more than likely - how did their draw pan out?)

2 players on him Its the only way.

One 'up his ass' and the other playing in front of him to try and block the supply of ball.

South Kerry put this tactic to good use on Sunday.

Granted he was visibly bollixed after a long season but it seemed to negate his threat.

[Lamps]

Ever seen Gooch have a bad game - No?

Neither have I and I've been watching and playing against him for years.
He'll go down as one of the greatest players to ever play the game.



WRONG

his munster championship debut(i think) v's Cork in the pissinng rain, an ageing ciaran o sullivan marked him out of it, didn't give him a ball. not saying he's not a great player he has had at least one bad game

[Fat Tom]

Personally he was made a scape goat in that game.
Ball coming in was pathetic, same as Tyrone in 2003 and Armagh 2002.
He didn't do much but you couldn't blame him given the ball supplly.

Fair point on 2002, I suppose, a more experienced player would have been given more of a chance and he was only 17 at time.

[Lamps]

Personally he was made a scape goat in that game.
Ball coming in was pathetic, same as Tyrone in 2003 and Armagh 2002.
He didn't do much but you couldn't blame him given the ball supplly.

Fair point on 2002, I suppose, a more experienced player would have been given more of a chance and he was only 17 at time.

so you are now saying that he has had a bad game right??

[Fat Tom]

Personally I don't remember game - only getting fucking drowned in the hill in killarney and going home, the boys drying theit clothes with the hairdryer in my house and going out on the piss for the day, super duper sunday.

Ireland Vs Spain was on the same day - fucking massive session.
He probably has had a bad game but not in the last couple of years - but he hasn't done much in games when supply is bad so hard to call it.

I mean how do you judge Donal Og if he hasn't had a save to make or not that many puck outs?
He still hasn't had a bad game but mightn't have had much to do.

I mean I thought Deane was awful this summer but a lot of the time the ball goin in was pure shite.

[Lamps]

Personally I don't remember game - only getting fucking drowned in the hill in killarney and going home, the boys drying theit clothes with the hairdryer in my house and going out on the piss for the day, super duper sunday.

Ireland Vs Spain was on the same day - fucking massive session.
He probably has had a bad game but not in the last couple of years - but he hasn't done much in games when supply is bad so hard to call it.

I mean how do you judge Donal Og if he hasn't had a save to make or not that many puck outs?
He still hasn't had a bad game but mightn't have had much to do.

I mean I thought Deane was awful this summer but a lot of the time the ball goin in was pure shite.

talk about dodging the question, he had a fucking stinker, just admit it. blaming the rain, blaming the ball in. if the same thing happened john hayes(and i'm not saying he's in the same class) people would be saying he can't win his own ball.

[Fat Tom]

But Gooch is excellent at winning his own ball - it still has to come in though.
I said I can't remember the game although I do remember thinking he shouldn't have been taken off.

[Rebelred]

I mean I thought Deane was awful this summer but a lot of the time the ball goin in was pure shite.
Timmy Mac has scored more from play in all Ireland finals than Deano!
have to agree though,the supply Deano got this year was attrocious most of the time.

[Johnnyc]

so basically you were wrong again Fat Tom, with widely inaccurate and false statements, like I said nobody's perfect, by the way I thought Cooper wasn't up to much in the Munster Final this year, but he's still the best player in the country

[Fat Tom]

He set up Cinneide and Franny for about 10 chances in the first half - he should have taken them on himself. They kept fucking missing.

Hardly widely innaccurate - one game, when he was 17 at senior level FFS.
I'm sure some older heads can probably remember Ring having a bad game too.

[Johnnyc]

I'm sure Ringy had a bad game in his day too, anyway getting back to my original point I think we'll take Kerry in Munster next year even if Gooch plays well, it takes more than one man to move a mountain, Kerry undoubtedly have the more skillful players but we play more as a team, thats why I think we'll win next year, anyway we'll see, if only we could get Niall Fitz to lessen his hurling commitments we'd have one more class forward

[Fat Tom]

hehehehehehehehe

Play more as a team me hole.
Lack of scoring threat kills ye.

Sweep in front of gooch and ye've a chance.

Takes more than one man to move a mountain maybe but I say Cork are more of a mini hill than a mountain.

On on form Gooch would take one of those corner backs for about 1-6 and set up much more - remember what he did to anthony lynch in 2002