Cork v Kerry

[Loftydog]

Now after todays games the semi finals have pitted the two major munster rivals together. Both contrasting games, kerry playing withing themselves to beat a willing but ultimately lacking mayo side while cork produced a dominant second half to beat a fancied galway side. After the narrow munster final defeat to kerry, cork have produced the goods in the qualifiers and will be fancying their chances but will it be enough to beat the all ireland champions?

[wayne gayle]

I think we have a great chance. Even though they would never admit it, I'm sure Kerry will be secretly worried about this game.
Thinking back to 2002, we beat the mucksavages in the Munster Final (admittedly Kerry did not go into that game in the best frame of mind with the three O Se's having just tragically lost their father during the week) but they turned the tables on us in the All-Ireland semi-final later on. Now I bet they're thinking the same thing might happen again, except this time in reverse!

[PabloDollbox]

Yeah Cork beat Tipperary after a replay in the 2002 Munster Final.

[wayne gayle]

Yeah Cork beat Tipperary after a replay in the 2002 Munster Final.

Sorry yeah, my mistake.

[PatMan]

Does anyone know the date for the game?

PatMan

[Ringy]

Does anyone know the date for the game?

PatMan




28th Augest im pretty sure.Lot of talk on the radio after the matches about playing the semi in a munster venue.Love it if it was but doubt it very much as the coperate crowd in Croke Park won't be happy.

[Joeyjoejoe]

Brilliant display today by the lads. Showed great pride and attitude when they were behind. This team can play football, and IMO from the the remaining teams left in the championship, we are the best to watch. Direct running and quick passing. I wouldnt be too worried about any blanket defence system with the way that is going.

[Lamps]

this game is made for thurles, they would get the 55,000 no problem. i'd say they'll be lucky to break 40 in corke park.

[shammy feen]

Cant see Cork beating Kerry unfortunately. Kerry played well within themselves during the Munster Final and a repeat result in the semi-final is highly likely.

[Langer Dan]

Cant see Cork beating Kerry unfortunately. Kerry played well within themselves during the Munster Final and a repeat result in the semi-final is highly likely.


horseshit, Kerry were very lucky to win that game and their relief was visible come the final whistle.

The impressive manner of Cork's victory over Galway will have done them alot more good than Mayo's lacklustre capitulation to Kerry.

I think we'll do it.

Roll on the double.

[Langer Dan]

Terrible blow kavanagh getting injured.

All the papers are backing Kerry to shade it, but I dunno iv a feeling we can do em tomorro, hopefully.

[saintPaddy17th]

Terrible blow kavanagh getting injured.

All the papers are backing Kerry to shade it, but I dunno iv a feeling we can do em tomorro, hopefully.

absoloute boot....bollock....a nd bite will see the rebels through. Have to win breaks in half forward line. Good luck lads....

[up.the.kingdom]

absoloute boot....bollock....a nd bite will see the rebels through.

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[Jim Comic]

currently kerry 1-12, cork 0-6

[PabloDollbox]

What a pitiful performance. I'm embarrassed to be a Cork man watching this shite. These lads are an insult to the Cork jersey. The attitude of some of them is enough to turn the stomach. It was men against boys.

Sad day for Cork football. We're in no better a position than we were this time last year after being hammered by Fermanagh.

Pathetic.

[Jim Comic]

ft-
kerry 1-19
cork 0-9

[The Full Ham]

My thoughts are that Cork don't have good enough players in terms of talent to take on Kerry?

Anyone else?

[PabloDollbox]

I couldnt see Galway putting up a heap of shite performance like that, and we stuffed them a few weeks ago. It was just gutless from Cork on the day. Same old story when theyre faced with the Kingdom.

[sunbabe08]

feeling very sick at the moment..... why are our footballers so crap like.... hurling hopes are high once more

[Loftydog]

shite....utter shite

[Tommy O]

Both me and Kevin feel completely violated by this result.
I ask these questions.
Why cant we block down a kick ?
Why was our half back line in limbo ?
Was it out of pity the kerry fullback elected to handpass it over for a point?
Why is BJ so hot and cold?

What a waste of a day travelling ticket etc

[west cork rebel]

what a dismal performance, some of those points we scored when O'Dwyer kicked the ball straight into the hands of kerry, they were just to strong for us all we have hope for now is that liam will be comeing back home.

[wayne gayle]

Did ye see the interview with Billy afterwards? He looked absolutley shellshocked and close to tears.

[Gobadán]

Disappointed.


Dixi.



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[Ringy]

I've never been so dejected in all my following gaa life.Never left a game with 25 minutes to go.Never got so much understanding from dubs on the north circuler road.never again with football its like been bullied in a school yard been whalloped by these guys so often.They were awesome though cant deny them that.Not disguiseing Corks fiasco of a performance but no team would have lived with Kerry today.Worst possible outcome for a progressing Cork team.

[Peig Sayers]

Does anyone know what happened to the kitchen sink? When Jack O'Connor was interviewed at half time he said that Cork weren't finished yet and that they were "expecting the kitchen sink" in the second half!!! Wonder what happened to it.

[PabloDollbox]

All I know is that Colm Cooper used it in the first half to wipe the floor with Niall Geary!

[Rebelred]

sure theres always next year.feel sorry for geary,the quality of ball that cooper was getting was excellent,and shouldnt have been allowed by our midfield and half forward lines.
we'll be back

[Tommy O]

peig
ta tu ag caint trid do considerably large poll.
no managers give interviews at half time

[Lamps]

could go on about a million things that went wrong, tactically and individually. i'm putting it down to the worst ever day at the office. the 2002 team were a much inferior team to this one, thats why this is harder to take.

kieran o connor has proven himself the best corner back in this setup, he will start next year and hopefully will establish himself.
derek kavanagh should be given a position and stick with it, master it. i would prefer full back. leaving canty further upfield. he was good in 2004.
we are short another good corner back, but i'm sure there are some about.
the full back line will be blamed for yesterday but they were left exposed and even if lynch was marking gooch he would still have conceded 5/6 points.

kevin mcmahon and clifford were the only 2 forwards to come out of yesterdays game with reputations intact.
i hate to say it but the only way to compete is to adopt the kerry/ulster tactics(they are one and the same by the way), mass defence, hand pass or short kick about till you get to midfield and launch it long to your fullforward line. i cannot see a way to counter this playing the traditional lines. the only problem is when two teams play it against each other you get "puke football"

i must say i am devasted by yesterday, roll on the hurling

[Coin]

could go on about a million things that went wrong, tactically and individually. i'm putting it down to the worst ever day at the office. the 2002 team were a much inferior team to this one, thats why this is harder to take.

kieran o connor has proven himself the best corner back in this setup, he will start next year and hopefully will establish himself.
derek kavanagh should be given a position and stick with it, master it. i would prefer full back. leaving canty further upfield. he was good in 2004.
we are short another good corner back, but i'm sure there are some about.
the full back line will be blamed for yesterday but they were left exposed and even if lynch was marking gooch he would still have conceded 5/6 points.

kevin mcmahon and clifford were the only 2 forwards to come out of yesterdays game with reputations intact.
i hate to say it but the only way to compete is to adopt the kerry/ulster tactics(they are one and the same by the way), mass defence, hand pass or short kick about till you get to midfield and launch it long to your fullforward line. i cannot see a way to counter this playing the traditional lines. the only problem is when two teams play it against each other you get "puke football"

i must say i am devasted by yesterday, roll on the hurling
The first post that was actually properly thought out.

It had gotten to the stage where deep down, a lot of Cork thought we were going to win. Pressure got to a new, youngish team and they froze. It happens, you just have to hope that they can use it the right way and not do it again next year.

[shammy feen]

horseshit, Kerry were very lucky to win that game and their relief was visible come the final whistle.

The impressive manner of Cork's victory over Galway will have done them alot more good than Mayo's lacklustre capitulation to Kerry.

I think we'll do it.

Roll on the double.

Wrong..

Kerry proved my point emphatically yesterday.

Horseshit indeed....

[Lamps]

nothing new in langer tom's pronouncments, he always blindly backs the team he follows, great as a fan, but hopeless as an analyst.

[up.the.kingdom]

The result was a bit unfair at the end but this is a young team and yesterdays result will be character building - these guys will be stronger fo it next year - they went to sleep for 15 minutes in the first half and that was the end of that.

One other thing.....
The manager of cork should be taken out and beaten publicly up and down pana for his pre match preparationwith regards to the media - he spent all last week talking his team up and saying Kerry were in for a shock.

Kerry on the other hand spoke about expecting a hard fight and about how they had respect for cork and when the whistle blew yesterday Kerry worked hard while Cork seemed to wait for what they were told was theirs.


Hard luck fellahs - see ye in Killarney next year and good luck with the stickfighting!

[BigKahuna]

All I know is that Colm Cooper used it in the first half to wipe the floor with Niall Geary!

In fairness alan, thats a load of shite. geary can't be a scapegoat for the poor performance of the whole team. the midfield were shocking and allowed kerry to win 17/23 kick-outs in the first half! whaaaaa? the minor team would have won more ball
every ball was sent down the field with gooch as the target man. the half backs were non-existant and didn't contest anything. gooch was walking around pointing out where he wanted the ball and the kerry midfield and half foward line were putting it straight into his paws each time.

geary kept a fair bit of ball away from gooch but at the end of the day you can't keep them all out. feel sorry for the kid. (feel sorry for gooch too .... he's one ugly mutha!)

its back to the drawing board anyway
we've a young enuff team + billys moving them in the right direction........... .maybe in another 2 or 3 years .......?

[KolaKubes]

Being from north of the Lee, I see football as being no more than an occasionally entertaining preamble to the real business of the hurling but, for what it's worth, I wouldn't let Morgan near that team again. Indeed, I'd have us suck in our pride and bring in a Kerry coach - as Westmeath, Laois and Kildare have done in recent years to great effect. I think Kerry are a class side, tactically astute and well drilled, intelligent football played at pace and with great skill. The 'Brazil of Gaelic football' tag is quite apt. Like the northern counties, albeit in a somewhat different manner, they have taken aspects of other football codes and employed them to great effect within their particular brand of gaelic football. The most remarkable difference between Cork and Kerry yesterday was in the distribution coming from defence. Cork have picked mullackers there, guys incapable of kicking a ball straight over 30 yards, Kerry have actual footballers there, as exemplified by that piece of play where Tomas O' Se stole the ball off the Cork forward (name escapes me) and two expert solos and a body swerve later he was out and starting a counter-attack off down the other end. Simply outstanding stuff.

I've seen first hand at local level this drift towards picking athletes rather than footballers and it is a shame that Cork's style of play is now dictated by the guys who can't play football rather than the guys who can. I refuse to believe the county can't produce better footballers than that, surely they're not all off playing soccer.

[Bould Tady Quill]

http://tinypic.com/be7ytu.jpg

Disgrace…..

The Image above should replace the paddy power banner above. A constant reminder of how we bent over and let the old enemy give us one for free. A reminder of how we didn’t even put up a fight. Optimists among us said we had a good chance, realist among us hoped we would give them a good rattle, but even the most pessimistic of us wouldn’t have dared predict what happened yesterday for fear of a kateing.


Unmitigated Disgrace..
End of.

[Rebelred]

Being from north of the Lee, I see football as being no more than an occasionally entertaining preamble to the real business of the hurling but, for what it's worth, I wouldn't let Morgan near that team again. Indeed, I'd have us suck in our pride and bring in a Kerry coach - as Westmeath, Laois and Kildare have done in recent years to great effect. I think Kerry are a class side, tactically astute and well drilled, intelligent football played at pace and with great skill.
how many all irelands have westmeath,laois and kildare won with those great kerry managers you mention?

[Lamps]

Being from north of the Lee, I see football as being no more than an occasionally entertaining preamble to the real business of the hurling but, for what it's worth, I wouldn't let Morgan near that team again. Indeed, I'd have us suck in our pride and bring in a Kerry coach - as Westmeath, Laois and Kildare have done in recent years to great effect. I think Kerry are a class side, tactically astute and well drilled, intelligent football played at pace and with great skill. The 'Brazil of Gaelic football' tag is quite apt. Like the northern counties, albeit in a somewhat different manner, they have taken aspects of other football codes and employed them to great effect within their particular brand of gaelic football. The most remarkable difference between Cork and Kerry yesterday was in the distribution coming from defence. Cork have picked mullackers there, guys incapable of kicking a ball straight over 30 yards, Kerry have actual footballers there, as exemplified by that piece of play where Tomas O' Se stole the ball off the Cork forward (name escapes me) and two expert solos and a body swerve later he was out and starting a counter-attack off down the other end. Simply outstanding stuff.

I've seen first hand at local level this drift towards picking athletes rather than footballers and it is a shame that Cork's style of play is now dictated by the guys who can't play football rather than the guys who can. I refuse to believe the county can't produce better footballers than that, surely they're not all off playing soccer.

ok you tried, but this is complete drivel. cork football struggles with support at the best of times but if a kerryman took over then i can guarantee that they will get no support, NONE. its probably down to the fact that you predominantly support premiership football, where money and greed come before loyalty and pride in a jersey, that you can come up with such a solution. honestly this suggestion is quite unbelievable. that you are so dismissive of morgan is similarly naive(although yesterday was probably a wake up call). this man is Mr Cork football, he has led cork to 5 all ireland finals, nobody cares more about it, i would give him another season at least. he will have learned a lot from yesterday, unfortunately puke football may be the only way forward if we want success.

calling kerry the brazil of gaelic football is just tried lazy cliche. as i've said on numerous occasions, they play the ulster brand. the thing that sets then apart(maybe) is the gooch. he is the best forward i have ever seen. cork actually don't have mullackers, they have 5 skillfull forwards and brendan jer. what they don't have is experience or muscle up front and this counts for a hell of a lot. yesterday was the worst of lows but there is promise for the future, cork are on top in all the underage grades and there really is some good talent coming through, i just hope the game evolves beyond its present form, tactically speaking.

[Killyoursons]

how many all irelands have westmeath,laois and kildare won with those great kerry managers you mention?

Oy vey.
None of these counties had won a Leinster senior title in decades before Micko and Paidi came in. You might say that the Leinster title isn't worth much, but these counties had won nothing, Leinster titles are a considerable improvement on that.
Cork, btw, have managed exactly two Munster titles in the nine years since the end of Billy's first reign, and Cork are traditionally a much stronger county and have a much better pool of players than any of those Leinster teams mentioned above.
For what it's worth, I think the team are going in the right direction, they were widely praised after the Galway game and that progress shouldn't be ignored because of one terrible performance. Let Billy have another couple of years. He's building up from the situation of total disarray he inherited, we've made considerable strides since then. But in the near future Cork may well have to appoint a 'foreign' manager.

[Lamps]

might i suggest immediate banning for any more of this kerry manager treason talk, its embarrasing

[Rebelred]

might i suggest immediate banning for any more of this kerry manager treason talk, its embarrasing
fully agree.

[insideout]

How about a Kildare manager?

[Langer Dan]

Cork lost on the day to the better side, well done Kerry.

To those who propose ditching Morgan I answer with a resounding no.
The semi final was great progress going on recent year's exits to the like of Fermanagh and Roscommon.Billy is moving the team in the right direction by bringing in a lot of good young forwards. I for one do not wish a return to the dark days of Tompkin's cork, where skill (Corkery, O'neill) was substituted for fitness (Podsie ET ALL).

Although yesterdays result was a terrible dissapointment this side will be back, albeit hopefully with a different keeper between the sticks. The comeback against Galway showed this side has character yet they were caught in the headlights yet again by this Kerry team. 4points in the first half, 5pts in the 2nd half matched with three pts in the 2nd half of the Munster final is a pitiful return and if this Cork team is going to end the long football drought on Leeside they need to start bringing their scoring boots to croker.

The core of the side should remain intact, yet the likes of Geary and Gary Murphy have no business playing inter-county for Cork. The semi was a woeful dissapointment but lets bear in maind that at the start of the summer a Cork team in the football semis would have been a fanciful notion at best.

I hope Armagh or Tyrone stuff Kerry and end RTE's endless praise for an an average Kerry side with one terriffic forward .

[Lamps]

Cork lost on the day to the better side, well done Kerry.

To those who propose ditching Morgan I answer with a resounding no.
The semi final was great progress going on recent year's exits to the like of Fermanagh and Roscommon.Billy is moving the team in the right direction by bringing in a lot of good young forwards. I for one do not wish a return to the dark days of Tompkin's cork, where skill (Corkery, O'neill) was substituted for fitness (Podsie ET ALL).

Although yesterdays result was a terrible dissapointment this side will be back, albeit hopefully with a different keeper between the sticks. The comeback against Galway showed this side has character yet they were caught in the headlights yet again by this Kerry team. 4points in the first half, 5pts in the 2nd half matched with three pts in the 2nd half of the Munster final is a pitiful return and if this Cork team is going to end the long football drought on Leeside they need to start bringing their scoring boots to croker.

The core of the side should remain intact, yet the likes of Geary and Gary Murphy have no business playing inter-county for Cork. The semi was a woeful dissapointment but lets bear in maind that at the start of the summer a Cork team in the football semis would have been a fanciful notion at best.

I hope Armagh or Tyrone stuff Kerry and end RTE's endless praise for an an average Kerry side with one terriffic forward .

slightly shocked
great post, agree with everything.

[nawfullanger]

I hope Armagh or Tyrone stuff Kerry and end RTE's endless praise for an an average Kerry side with one terriffic forward .

about time somebody said it
this kerry team is no great shakes
for gods sake they didnt get a ball off the cork midfield in teh munster final and didnt do much better against mayo
yesterdays cork performence was hard to fathom
whatever you say they are a lot better than that

i would have to say though that kerry have a very good half-back line. they will make it very difficult for any opposition to break through them. the fuckers.

in terms of cork football billy has to bite the bullet on lynch and sexton. a defenders first job is to defend. and they can't defend. its all very well having a snazzy gum shield but you need to defend man. i reckon he can fix the corner back probelm if he can get the half back line up and running.

[BigKahuna]

in terms of cork football billy has to bite the bullet on lynch and sexton. a defenders first job is to defend. and they can't defend. its all very well having a snazzy gum shield but you need to defend man. i reckon he can fix the corner back probelm if he can get the half back line up and running.

hear hear ....

the midfield could do with some shaking up aswell.
the first half against galway was a poor show ...... our midfield + half backs were like swiss cheese and the full backs got a roasting.
in the second half they started to win ball and it was a different game.

same old sceal yesterday ..... midfield + half backs were shocking ...... full backs got slaughtered.

[nawfullanger]

hear hear ....

the midfield could do with some shaking up aswell.
the first half against galway was a poor show ...... our midfield + half backs were like swiss cheese and the full backs got a roasting.
in the second half they started to win ball and it was a different game.

same old sceal yesterday ..... midfield + half backs were shocking ...... full backs got slaughtered.

the midfield has been doing ok
on their day they are as good as anybody
but noel o'leary apart the half backs haven't been at the races
this is putting huge pressure on murphy and geary
and while they are not world beaters, they are better then they appeared against both kerry and galway

[KolaKubes]

ok you tried, but this is complete drivel. cork football struggles with support at the best of times but if a kerryman took over then i can guarantee that they will get no support, NONE. its probably down to the fact that you predominantly support premiership football, where money and greed come before loyalty and pride in a jersey, that you can come up with such a solution. honestly this suggestion is quite unbelievable. that you are so dismissive of morgan is similarly naive(although yesterday was probably a wake up call). this man is Mr Cork football, he has led cork to 5 all ireland finals, nobody cares more about it, i would give him another season at least. he will have learned a lot from yesterday, unfortunately puke football may be the only way forward if we want success.

calling kerry the brazil of gaelic football is just tried lazy cliche. as i've said on numerous occasions, they play the ulster brand. the thing that sets then apart(maybe) is the gooch. he is the best forward i have ever seen. cork actually don't have mullackers, they have 5 skillfull forwards and brendan jer. what they don't have is experience or muscle up front and this counts for a hell of a lot. yesterday was the worst of lows but there is promise for the future, cork are on top in all the underage grades and there really is some good talent coming through, i just hope the game evolves beyond its present form, tactically speaking.


I'm not surprised at the dribbling and gnashing of teeth at the merest mention of a Kerryman managing Cork nor that you follow it up with your own "lazy cliche" in dismissing the idea as typical of someone who's more into soccer.

Considering that the Cork team was outthought, outfought and outplayed, considering that the team looked utterly shattered by nerves before a ball was kicked suggests that the manager wasn't doing his stuff. The fact that he's "Mr. Cork football" just emphasises the sense in my point that we should look outside the county for a new manager.

I find your attempt to bracket Kerry in with the Ulster counties and the "puke football" simply breathtaking. Yes, there is similarity in so much as that Kerry have a tactical awareness, defend in numbers and exploit opportunities for counter-attacks but some of their football yesterday was simply exquisite and a far cry from the simply awful, basic errors in Cork's passing with hand and foot yesterday.

Cork have fallen into the same trap Dublin did with overemphasis on physicality and fitness to the detriment of basic, old-fashioned ball work. We do have some fine footballers in the forward line but when they're feeding off scraps because over half the team can't kick a ball straight how are they to have an impact. Cooper wasn't the difference yesterday simply because of his own talent but also because his teammates were actually able to feed him good ball.

[Superior]

A Kerry manager for Cork.
NO WAY. NO PHUCKING WAY.
Forget even talking about it.
Billy should be given more time.
No point throwing the baby out
with the bath water.
I think this was really the first year he
got to stamp his own authority on the
team and - the second Kerry game aside -
I liked what I've seen so far.
Our half-back line was awful. I can't believe
it was a coaching problem, the lads just
didn't seem to know what they were doing.
What happened to our midfield? Non-existent.
Marking was poor, fielding was poor.
Also Kerry should be given more credit. They're one
of the best teams in the country - if (whisper it)
not the best. Also Cooper is a helluva player.
We've got a young team and getting to play
in Croker will stand them in good stead. We'll be back.

Corcaigh abu!

[Lamps]

I'm not surprised at the dribbling and gnashing of teeth at the merest mention of a Kerryman managing Cork nor that you follow it up with your own "lazy cliche" in dismissing the idea as typical of someone who's more into soccer.


there's no point arguing with you. if you'd like to see a kerryman managing cork, then you just don't get it.

also if we had cooper, he'd have been lucky to get 2 points

[mithrandir]

but noel o'leary apart the half backs haven't been at the races


What the fuck are you talking about!? I was at the match. In the first half Liam Hassett dropped back into the Kerry midfield/half-back line. Noel O Leary was essentially a free half-back. What did he do?
Did he drop back to the space in front of the Gook to block the endless supply of ball coming to him? No.
Did he push out to where Hassett was to help contest the midfield where Cork were being hosed for the breaks? No.
He stood in his fucking position marking no-one. Jesus Christ!

[nawfullanger]

What the fuck are you talking about!? I was at the match. In the first half Liam Hassett dropped back into the Kerry midfield/half-back line. Noel O Leary was essentially a free half-back. What did he do?
Did he drop back to the space in front of the Gook to block the endless supply of ball coming to him? No.
Did he push out to where Hassett was to help contest the midfield where Cork were being hosed for the breaks? No.
He stood in his fucking position marking no-one. Jesus Christ!

pardon me
i should have added that he was poor on sunday
he was taken off after all
but neither lynch or sexton have defened well this year
centerback in particular needs a physical presence and he dosnt have it
if that can be fixed and i do know how then we are some way there

[KolaKubes]

there's no point arguing with you. if you'd like to see a kerryman managing cork, then you just don't get it.

also if we had cooper, he'd have been lucky to get 2 points

I'd rather have a local in charge but we seem to be well off the pace. In such a situation, go to and learn from the best. I bounced the same suggestion off our own resident GAA lunatic and she'd no problem with it so I can only presume you've a bad dose of some strange Kerry phobia.

[Lamps]

I'd rather have a local in charge but we seem to be well off the pace. In such a situation, go to and learn from the best. I bounced the same suggestion off our own resident GAA lunatic and she'd no problem with it so I can only presume you've a bad dose of some strange Kerry phobia.

lunatic being being apt description then.

[Peig Sayers]

peig
ta tu ag caint trid do considerably large poll.
no managers give interviews at half time
Well this one did you big liúdaramán. U must have been up at the bar or sa leithreas at the time. Tóg bog é or I'll give u a belt of the thistle ginideach.

[The Full Ham]

Hard luck fellahs - see ye in Killarney next year and good luck with the stickfighting!
You mean the game that is a million times better than Bogball to watch? Thanks for that.

[Coin]

I'd rather have a local in charge but we seem to be well off the pace. In such a situation, go to and learn from the best. I bounced the same suggestion off our own resident GAA lunatic and she'd no problem with it so I can only presume you've a bad dose of some strange Kerry phobia.
Is it Micko you'd prefer or Paidi? The four counties you mention all used just these two guys. Could it be possible that its not Kerry managers that are better, just these two individuals?

[KolaKubes]

Is it Micko you'd prefer or Paidi? The four counties you mention all used just these two guys. Could it be possible that its not Kerry managers that are better, just these two individuals?

Well Kerry won the All-Ireland last year while exporting two of the best football coaches in the country elsewhere. Perhaps a lower profile lad with a Cork mammy would be ideal though! ;)

Training in Millstreet starts in January lads.

[Langer Dan]

there's no point arguing with you. if you'd like to see a kerryman managing cork, then you just don't get it.

also if we had cooper, he'd have been lucky to get 2 points

I totally agree

This talk of a Kerry manager for Cork is tantamount to treason and surely is the hallmark of an armchair fan who has no understanding of the rivalry between the two counties. It simply put, will NEVER happen, anyone with even a basic appreciation for Cork football would say the same.

This talk by Kola of Billy Morgan installing a physical element to the team is nonsense and smacks of someone who paid little or no attention to Cork football during the Tompkins years.

Billy is moving the side in the right direction. A semi final berth was a good accomplishment for the team this year.

The one critique I would offer of Billy is an old one, his over-reliance upon Nemo players. Geary may be a fine clubman but he and Gary Murphy have both looked severely limited and out of their depth at inter-county level.

[KolaKubes]

I totally agree

This talk of a Kerry manager for Cork is tantamount to treason and surely is the hallmark of an armchair fan who has no understanding of the rivalry between the two counties. It simply put, will NEVER happen, anyone with even a basic appreciation for Cork football would say the same.

This talk by Kola of Billy Morgan installing a physical element to the team is nonsense and smacks of someone who paid little or no attention to Cork football during the Tompkins years.

Billy is moving the side in the right direction. A semi final berth was a good accomplishment for the team this year.

The one critique I would offer of Billy is an old one, his over-reliance upon Nemo players. Geary may be a fine clubman but he and Gary Murphy have both looked severely limited and out of their depth at inter-county level.


As I said in my opening post, I'm much more into the hurling but, yes, in fairness to Billy Morgan, it was Larry Tompkins who really fucked things up by trying to put out an entire team of super-fit guys regardless of whether they could kick a ball straight. I don't see enough of an improvement from those dark days under Morgan though and two years is plenty opportunity. It's not so much the physical aspect of Cork teams but that they're so fucking stupid in the way they go about it. Cork seem incapable of making a legal challenge for the ball at times. Kerry are able to put in the little digs and snide challenges in a more circumspect manner and are expert at winding up Cork teams. I don't like that side of the game at all but it's worse to competely undermine your own team by reacting to it and getting yourself sent off.

Can I put the case for a "Kerry manager" in this way, so? We shouldn't be limited in the choice of manager for the Cork football team and should be able to get in the best guy regardless of where's he's from. If someone like Counihan etc is operating within county bounds and looking to have the makings of a top intercounty manager, well and good but we need a radical change in approach. Considering the standards set by the hurlers, I find it galling to see the county represented by clueless mullackers. You're right, it's a proud county and we should expect better - if a Kerryman can help in that, I really don't see the problem.

Unless you really believe that the locals all turn into a shower of pricks once you pass over the Kerry border?!

[searlzy]

I think we're gonna lose by 13 points..... odds of 20/1 anybody?

[Lamps]

You're right, it's a proud county and we should expect better - if a Kerryman can help in that, I really don't see the problem.

Lesson 1

Paradox: An apparently sound argument leading to a contradiction.

we get a kerryman running our team and the pride goes out the window. can you imagine the slagging west cork people would get.
if it wasn't bad enough when the muck savavge animals were claiming Univeristy College Kerry won the county 5 years ago, can you imagine if a kerryman led us to an all ireland.

[KolaKubes]

Lesson 1

Paradox: An apparently sound argument leading to a contradiction.

we get a kerryman running our team and the pride goes out the window. can you imagine the slagging west cork people would get.
if it wasn't bad enough when the muck savavge animals were claiming Univeristy College Kerry won the county 5 years ago, can you imagine if a kerryman led us to an all ireland.


"muck savage animals"? Are you from West Cork yourself or from the same stock?