Manchester United Transfer News

[KolaKubes]

I really hope thats a joke

No, more of a public musing.

Peter Kenyon has said that Utd caught everyone off guard with how quickly (and expensively) they went into the transfer market.

It's a dramatic change of policy from what went on for many years.

Previously, we've let transfer sagas drag on, with the price going up all the time.

I think they learned their lesson from not getting agreement in place for Hargreaves before the World Cup last summer and I think the phrase is a "statement of intent".

You don't think such a big spend at the outset of the transfer window has set the tone since?

The only speculative bit here is whether Utd really planned it like that or if it just happened that way.

[Edmund Blackwater]

No, more of a public musing.

Peter Kenyon has said that Utd caught everyone off guard with how quickly (and expensively) they went into the transfer market.

It's a dramatic change of policy from what went on for many years.

Previously, we've let transfer sagas drag on, with the price going up all the time.

I think they learned their lesson from not getting agreement in place for Hargreaves before the World Cup last summer and I think the phrase is a "statement of intent".

You don't think such a big spend at the outset of the transfer window has set the tone since?

The only speculative bit here is whether Utd really planned it like that or if it just happened that way.
No.
Manyoo were asked for 25 million for Torres last summer.
manyoo don't control the transfer market. the fact they spent 30 million on two nobodies and 20 million on a never--will-be did fuck all to affect the prices of top players.

[lionelhutz]

No, more of a public musing.

Peter Kenyon has said that Utd caught everyone off guard with how quickly (and expensively) they went into the transfer market.

It's a dramatic change of policy from what went on for many years.

Previously, we've let transfer sagas drag on, with the price going up all the time.

I think they learned their lesson from not getting agreement in place for Hargreaves before the World Cup last summer and I think the phrase is a "statement of intent".

You don't think such a big spend at the outset of the transfer window has set the tone since?

The only speculative bit here is whether Utd really planned it like that or if it just happened that way.

ya, cos players have really been going for peanuts before the start of this season. aside from my responses to your posts, take a look at some of the others and take the many hints. fuck off and dont come back.

[lionelhutz]

you were offending the public btw

[MonTheHoops]

No.

I think that the money now being afforded to EPL clubs (highest ever) has set the tone for the price players are going and the rest of Europe knows that. Look at David Suazo's move. There's not a striker as good as him signed in England this season for twice the price.

I don't think the Torres money is a very high figure for a guy who has a bit of a reputation around Europe. Babel, who knows but 11M+ isn't a lot of money for a guy who is making noises in his own league - see your very own Ronaldo for evidence of that. When Van Basten mentions a player being of a certain quality it's possibly a good idea to listen.

I also don't think the money Man City have shelled out is an awful lot. £8M is pocket change to a lot of EPL clubs now to be honest. I read somewhere that the 11th place teamin the EPL next season will get £40M in prize money. Crazy.

If you want an example of 2 players who have been overpriced in their transfer dealings this Summer, look no further than Nani & Hargreaves. I do rate Andersen, but again it's a lot of money but of the three I think he will prove his worth in the long run.

Honestly Kola, I don't find a lot wrong with most of what you say on here, but that line was a bit pretentious to say the least.

[KolaKubes]

No.

I think that the money now being afforded to EPL clubs (highest ever) has set the tone for the price players are going and the rest of Europe knows that. Look at David Suazo's move. There's not a striker as good as him signed in England this season for twice the price.

I don't think the Torres money is a very high figure for a guy who has a bit of a reputation around Europe. Babel, who knows but 11M+ isn't a lot of money for a guy who is making noises in his own league - see your very own Ronaldo for evidence of that. When Van Basten mentions a player being of a certain quality it's possibly a good idea to listen.

I also don't think the money Man City have shelled out is an awful lot. £8M is pocket change to a lot of EPL clubs now to be honest. I read somewhere that the 11th place teamin the EPL next season will get £40M in prize money. Crazy.

If you want an example of 2 players who have been overpriced in their transfer dealings this Summer, look no further than Nani & Hargreaves. I do rate Andersen, but again it's a lot of money but of the three I think he will prove his worth in the long run.

Honestly Kola, I don't find a lot wrong with most of what you say on here, but that line was a bit pretentious to say the least.


Ah give me a break. In fairness, I'm at the tail end of writing a thesis like. If you saw the sort of stilted and arcane language you've to use in those, you'd forgive me lapsing into it the odd time on here.

I do my best unless I'm trying to wum like.

On the point, you're possibly right about the prices at the upper end of the market. Noone has splashed out £30m odd as yet but some of the fees for the likes of Bellamy, Parker are excessive. I mean, apparently Richardson might be on the move for £5m+. That's staggering for a useless tosser.

I've made this point before re Chelsea. They caused major inflation in transfer fees at a time when they'd come down markedly. It was almost worth paying over the odds for players when it meant that Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal were going to get quoted greatly inflated figures for players.

Regarding Utd's signings. I'd agree, at the moment I'd have my suspicions about Nani. Anderson looks good. I don't understand why people are criticising the Hargreaves signing though. You're always going to pay a premium for a full England international, especially one just started a long term contract with a major European club. As for the merits of the player himself, he might not have the talent of some (Fernandes, for instance) but he's a model pro who'll likely adapt very rapidly and well to playing for Utd. He's also very good at what he does, just tidying up in front of the back four and setting the tempo and more than solid defensively. A good all round player. I'd liken him a little to the role Gary Neville has played over the years. Again, not the most gifted but makes the most of what he has.

[MonTheHoops]

Fucking students

[KolaKubes]

Fucking students

Give me a few weeks and I'll join you with that.

[liam2me]

UTD could/should be done for tapping up tevez

United could be facing sanctions over Tevez move
By Jason Burt
Published: 14 July 2007

Manchester United could be charged with "tapping up" Carlos Tevez if they continue to push for the striker's £35m transfer without the agreement of the Premier League.

So far the Premiership champions have done nothing wrong in their attempts to sign the 23-year-old Argentine despite the controversy surrounding the complicated saga. But if Tevez flies into Manchester next week for a medical, which his adviser Kia Joorabchian said will take place on Wednesday, United could risk the wrath of the Premier League.

The organisation argue that United should be dealing directly with West Ham United, Tevez's current club and the holders of his registration, and not Joorabchian. Yesterday a Premier League source warned that failure to do so could be a breach of their rules and therefore a case of approaching a contracted player without the permission of his employer. The punishments for the offence range from a fine to a ban on transfer activity for up to two transfer windows.

That stance appears perplexing because Joorabchian received an email four weeks ago from West Ham informing him that they would not be taking up the £40m option to buy Tevez. Since then, however, the Premier League have insisted that it is West Ham who have to do the deal and the club maintains it has had no contact with United and that no offer has been made to them.

At the same time Joorabchian and United admit that they have negotiated a deal with Sir Alex Ferguson declaring he believes Tevez will end up at Old Trafford.

Joorabchian also claims that West Ham have agreed to the deal taking place but the club deny this, declaring that the businessman's actions are "irresponsible", even if, at the same time, club sources have hinted that a breakthrough may come at the beginning of next week.

An impasse was reached after the Premier League declared it would not sanction the transfer unless West Ham kept the largest portion of the transfer fee. This is because the club, after pleading guilty at a disciplinary hearing, gave undertakings that Tevez is solely their player when it tore up the agreement it had with Joorabchian.

The Premier League are demanding that West Ham stick to that undertaking and are refusing to change their stance - and are even threatening to convene a second inquiry - despite concerted pressure from United whose lawyer Maurice Watkins has been tasked with sorting out a deal. Ironically Watkins was on the advisory panel that helped draw up the Premier League rules which West Ham then breached.

He spent last Friday at the organisation's headquarters but failed to change the minds of its chief executive, Richard Scudamore, or its chairman, Dave Richards.

Scudamore has come under increasing pressure over his handling of the affair ever since West Ham were found guilty of acting improperly and withholding documentation over the ownership of Tevez and Javier Mascherano. When the two were registered as players, West Ham failed to disclose that they had entered into an agreement with third-party companies.

There is an appetite at the Premier League for the issue to go to court so that it serves as a warning to clubs and to businessman against such agreements. That would need Joorabchian to sue West Ham, or indeed the Premier League, if he fails to receive the money he believes is due to him as the holder of Tevez's economic rights. However it also appears that he is intent on concluding a deal that would provoke the Premier League into taking action. The problem with that is that the organisation insists it will not hand over Tevez's registration until it is satisfied.

There were further developments yesterday with Sheffield United being refused leave to appeal against the Premier League arbitration panel decision which, itself, upheld the inquiry's verdict that a fine, rather than a points deduction, was the correct punishment for West Ham. The Blades, who are seeking up to £50m in damages for losing Premiership status, will now consider their options after the High Court ruling which failed to back their claim that the panel had made an "error in law". They may also try to pursue a case against West Ham.

Joorabchian, meanwhile, released a statement yesterday denying "any wrongdoing whatsoever" after a Brazilian court issued an international arrest warrant over allegations of money-laundering. The warrant relates to an investigation at Brazilian club Corinthians, of which Joorabchian's company MSI is a major investor. Joorabchian insists all his financial dealings, including international transfers, were cleared by the Brazilian Central Bank.

"The investigation in Brazil has been rumbling on for some considerable time and apparently involves numerous individuals including the president, club officials and partners of Corinthians Football Club," Joorabchian said. "I deny any wrongdoing whatsoever. I have co-operated fully with the authorities in Brazil and have previously offered to speak to them directly, an offer that they have not taken up."

The Brazilian authorities have also issued an arrest warrant for Russian billionaire Boris Berezovsky, who is living in exile in London. Berezovsky has previously denied any business association with Joorabchian - and he denies having "any dealings connected to Carlos Tevez" or any involvement in money-laundering. Indeed Berezovsky is adamant the warrant is "an extension of the Kremlin's politicised campaign against him".

http://sport.independent.co .uk/football/premiership/article2768268.ece

sounds good to me, especially if the prem are trying to make an example out of them

[MonTheHoops]

2 questions Liam

1. Tell me - where do YOU think he'll start next season?

2. If he leaves, is it only to Spain?

[liam2me]

2 questions Liam

1. Tell me - where do YOU think he'll start next season?

2. If he leaves, is it only to Spain?
with all the legal wrangling i'm not sure anymore, was convinced that he was going to go to spain if he left but hey, even reliable sources can be wrong, as you found out with your borak to arsenal inside info

[markinmanc]

Richardson to Sunderland - wonder for how much - £10million or more, if Chopra went for £5million?

[KolaKubes]

UTD could/should be done for tapping up tevez



http://sport.independent.co .uk/football/premiership/article2768268.ece

sounds good to me, especially if the prem are trying to make an example out of them

Why?

You don't own Tevez.

You just told the Premier League that you do.

[Forsberg]

UTD could/should be done for tapping up tevez



http://sport.independent.co .uk/football/premiership/article2768268.ece

sounds good to me, especially if the prem are trying to make an example out of them

That looks like a report from a newspaper.

tut tut Liam

[Rebelred]

That looks like a report from a newspaper.

tut tut Liam

What, you mean no official statements, just pure media speculation... but that's not allowed!!!
I can't see it anywhere on West Ham or Man Uniteds Websites?

[liam2me]

Why?

You don't own Tevez.

You just told the Premier League that you do.
who told ya that then?

[liam2me]

That looks like a report from a newspaper.

tut tut Liam

What, you mean no official statements, just pure media speculation... but that's not allowed!!!
I can't see it anywhere on West Ham or Man Uniteds Websites?

hence the word could at the start of the post, dumb and dumber strike again

[Rebelred]

sure didn't they say he had his medical in argentina last week? ye muppets who believe the media, are just that, muppets

UTD could/should be done for tapping up tevez



http://sport.independent.co .uk/football/premiership/article2768268.ece

sounds good to me, especially if the prem are trying to make an example out of them

Yesterday one thing, today another, the party line keeps changing to suit ya Liam

[KolaKubes]

who told ya that then?

The guy was worth £20m minimum last summer.

Did you spend £20m on him last summer and, if so, who did that money go to?

[Langer Dan]

Yesterday one thing, today another, the party line keeps changing to suit ya Liam

hes a rocket scientist, dontchyaknow?:p

[KolaKubes]

hes a rocket scientist, dontchyaknow?:p

What rockets has he launched recently though?

[Rebelred]

What rockets has he launched recently though?

all official rocket launch information will be released on the West Ham and Man United websites only!

[liam2me]

What rockets has he launched recently though?
shows how desperate ya are when ya need loser dan to back ya up :rolleyes:

[Jim Comic]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/6901589.stm

roy's clearly lost his mind if he's paid 5.5 million for yer mano

[KolaKubes]

Kieran Richardson.

Gone.

Fucking ace.

[Loftydog]

Thats better than any signing!

On the downside it looks like GBH is on his way out as well

[KolaKubes]

Thats better than any signing!

On the downside it looks like GBH is on his way out as well

Downside?

Well rid. He was incompetent last year.

Actually, if I had to pick one to leave, it's be Heinze over Richardson.

I'm sure he might buck up, perhaps if played centre-half at the right sort of club but, ultimately, proven not to be MUQ.

Technically, simply not up to it.

[MonTheHoops]

I'm a bit shocked at that. Also surprised Keane hasn't gone to Celtic again for the likes of Gravesen/Riordan. Still a bit of the transfer window left yet. His signings this window though are a bit suspect.

[KolaKubes]

I'm a bit shocked at that. Also surprised Keane hasn't gone to Celtic again for the likes of Gravesen/Riordan. Still a bit of the transfer window left yet. His signings this window though are a bit suspect.

I don't think it's a bad deal for all concerned.

Arguable whether Keane is better off looking to Celtic for players or Utd's reserves. ;)

[MonTheHoops]

Yeah I suppose ye did force the rest of the world to overspend:rolleyes:

[RonnyB]

Kieran Richardson.

Gone.

Fucking ace.

and for £5.5m as well. Brilliant. Surprised Roy would sign someone with a suspect attitude though.

[lionelhutz]

Downside?

Well rid. He was incompetent last year.

Actually, if I had to pick one to leave, it's be Heinze over Richardson.

I'm sure he might buck up, perhaps if played centre-half at the right sort of club but, ultimately, proven not to be MUQ.

Technically, simply not up to it.

typical manc loyalty

[KolaKubes]

typical manc loyalty

Welcome to the world of professional football, moron.

[lionelhutz]

Welcome to the world of professional football, moron.

i was referring to the 'fans' pissant.

[Edmund Blackwater]

West Ham have refused Tevez permission to do a medical at manyoo.
this has descended into utter farce now.

[liam2me]

West Ham have refused Tevez permission to do a medical at manyoo.
this has descended into utter farce now.
why should west ham allow it? we want to do all we can to keep tevez, and until he says that he wants to leave, which he has not done, why should we make it easier for him to go at our expense?

[bh37]

why should west ham allow it? we want to do all we can to keep tevez, and until he says that he wants to leave, which he has not done, why should we make it easier for him to go at our expense?

Did he not say after the copa america final that all he wants to do is leave west ham on good terms and play for united

[liam2me]

Did he not say after the copa america final that all he wants to do is leave west ham on good terms and play for united
really? i didn't see/hear/read that anywhere, be it made up by the daily mail, kia "on the run" joorabchian or actually from the man himself

[Forsberg]

Liam, ti would actually be to West Hams benefit if they just stepped back and allowed this to go through as quickly as possible and draw a line under the whole sorry episode. It won't be good for morale if this is still going as the season nears. It would be a disaster if he was still West Ham player at the start of the season.

I understand that West Ham have to make noises about him being their player and they will decide when he'll go but this isn't doing the club any good

[bh37]

really? i didn't see/hear/read that anywhere, be it made up by the daily mail, kia "on the run" joorabchian or actually from the man himself

Mind you now that you mention it I think i read it in the sun or the mirror today so make of that what you will

[bh37]

and for £5.5m as well. Brilliant. Surprised Roy would sign someone with a suspect attitude though.

I cant believe he signed him either especially after what he said about him on MUTV that time

[liam2me]

Liam, ti would actually be to West Hams benefit if they just stepped back and allowed this to go through as quickly as possible and draw a line under the whole sorry episode. It won't be good for morale if this is still going as the season nears. It would be a disaster if he was still West Ham player at the start of the season.

I understand that West Ham have to make noises about him being their player and they will decide when he'll go but this isn't doing the club any good
it would be a disaster for who's moral? man u fans who can't seem to fathom that one of the perceived smaller clubs is sticking up for itself and not just bending over for the mighty man utd? aye, it would be a disaster for their ego's moral alright :rolleyes:

[KolaKubes]

i was referring to the 'fans' pissant.

So was I thicko.

Fans of professional sport know how it goes.

I've been on about Heinze since long before the man himself seems to have decided he wanted to leave. I think he's no loss whatsoever and would be happier throwing in a youngster like Jonny Evans or even Silvestre than the guy at this stage.

[RonnyB]

why should west ham allow it? we want to do all we can to keep tevez, and until he says that he wants to leave, which he has not done, why should we make it easier for him to go at our expense?

Thats why Eggert & Maurice Watkins are intalks over the details of the various contracts. If West Ham wanted to keep him they'd tell United to get stuffed and would have reported them to the Premier League for tapping up.

West Ham are afraid of letting him go because of the possible punishments that may follow.

[liam2me]

Thats why Eggert & Maurice Watkins are intalks over the details of the various contracts. If West Ham wanted to keep him they'd tell United to get stuffed and would have reported them to the Premier League for tapping up.

West Ham are afraid of letting him go because of the possible punishments that may follow.
who says they're in talks? the daily mail? FFS, idiocy

[Rebelred]

who says they're in talks? the daily mail? FFS, idiocy

A West Ham spokesman told PA Sport: "Meetings have taken place between the two clubs but no agreement has been reached in relation to Carlos Tevez."

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_2596110 ,00.html

[lionelhutz]

So was I thicko.

Fans of professional sport know how it goes.
.

so the fans are professional too? for which sports are you a professional fan? you've admitted you know jackshit apart from mutv. give it up.

[liam2me]

A West Ham spokesman told PA Sport: "Meetings have taken place between the two clubs but no agreement has been reached in relation to Carlos Tevez."

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_2596110 ,00.html

up there with "a source", "a friend of <insert players name>", "an insider". yes, very accurate journalism

[KolaKubes]

so the fans are professional too? for which sports are you a professional fan? you've admitted you know jackshit apart from mutv. give it up.
.

[ho chi feen]

who says they're in talks? the daily mail? FFS, idiocy

Sorry Liam, but you can't get much more official than the CEO.

United admit Tevez deal is 'over-complicated'

Club still confident of completing transfer

Staff and agencies
Monday July 16, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

The Manchester United chief executive David Gill insists his club is determined to proceed with the signing of Carlos Tevez despite admitting the deal is "over-complicated".
After finishing on the losing side in last night's Copa América final as Brazil hammered Argentina, Tevez is preparing to fly into Manchester for a medical which, under normal circumstances, would mark the end game in a £30m move from West Ham. However, with the Premier League insisting that any transfer fee must be paid to West Ham rather than Kia Joorabchian, whose company owns Tevez's economic rights, the saga is likely to remain some way from conclusion.

"We are working on it," said Gill today. "In my opinion, it has become over-complicated. Effectively, we are trying to work with four parties; the player, West Ham, the company who own Carlos's economic rights and the Premier League in order to sort it out. The process is ongoing. The player will have a medical at some point this week, then we will take it from there. We still have to sort out the paperwork but we are confident that can be achieved in the course of the next week or so."

A player's "economic rights" are distinct from his registration (which is effectively his playing rights) and it is not unusual for agents or other companies to have ownership of these and, therefore, to be involved in transfer negotiations. However, it is believed that the reason this particular transaction is more complex than most is because Joorabchian maintains his company, Media Sports Investments, also owns Tevez's registration - meaning, in his view, that it is entitled to all of the transfer fee.

West Ham, on the other hand, insist they hold the registration having unilaterally terminated the contract between them and MSI last April - if they had not cancelled this contract, the Premier League would have prevented Tevez from continuing to play for the Hammers.

United's legal expert Maurice Watkins has remained in England as efforts to resolve the dispute intensify. And, after landing in Tokyo with the United party at the start of the club's four-match Far East tour, Gill confirmed United's intention to make Tevez their player. Even if Tevez manages to complete his move this week, he is not likely to join his new team-mates until they return to England ahead of the August 1 friendly with Internazionale at Old Trafford.

[RonnyB]

who says they're in talks? the daily mail? FFS, idiocy

David Gill said it on Sky. Now maybe Sky editted his words like Bart did with Marge's when he wanted Otto to stay in their garage but it still sounded like him to me.

[Forsberg]

David Gill said it on Sky. Now maybe Sky editted his words like Bart did with Marge's when he wanted Otto to stay in their garage but it still sounded like him to me.

heh heh heh

[ho chi feen]

David Gill said it on Sky. Now maybe Sky editted his words like Bart did with Marge's when he wanted Otto to stay in their garage but it still sounded like him to me.

la-la-la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you!

[STEVIEG]

Maybe Tevez is in Manchester just for the weather?

Could see this still failing to happen but it will be even more interesting in a way if it does-Tevez could have a real case if he ended up back at a club that he wants to move from at the start of the season

West Ham and the Premier League are trying to save face but there's bound to be a few more twists and turns:)

[KolaKubes]

Maybe Tevez is in Manchester just for the weather?

Could see this still failing to happen but it will be even more interesting in a way if it does-Tevez could have a real case if he ended up back at a club that he wants to move from at the start of the season

West Ham and the Premier League are trying to save face but there's bound to be a few more twists and turns:)

Best I can see, West Ham are hoping they can get away with unilaterally ripping up their agreement with MSI on the grounds that MSI are dodgy as fuck and any court case would come to naught.

If so, I have a sort of sneaking admiration for their Del Boy antics but worry about someone turning up in the Thames.

[liam2me]

according to the beeb man u are getting desperate and are calling in FIFA in an attempt to bully west ham and the prem league into letting the transfer go ahead without any payment, they haven't even made an offer yet apparently

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/6896911.stm

[liam2me]

David Gill said it on Sky. Now maybe Sky editted his words like Bart did with Marge's when he wanted Otto to stay in their garage but it still sounded like him to me.

heh heh heh

la-la-la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you!

i do love the way man utd and it's fans think that just because they want a player from a smaller club, that it is their god given right to have that player and that the smaller club should just roll over. what's pissing ye off most is that someone is standing up to ye, and even if we lose tevez, i hope it all fucks up for ye so that other small clubs will hold onto their better players too and make the league more even

[homer jay]

i do love the way man utd and it's fans think that just because they want a player from a smaller club, that it is their god given right to have that player and that the smaller club should just roll over. what's pissing ye off most is that someone is standing up to ye, and even if we lose tevez, i hope it all fucks up for ye so that other small clubs will hold onto their better players too and make the league more even

whooooosh

[Forsberg]

i do love the way man utd and it's fans think that just because they want a player from a smaller club, that it is their god given right to have that player and that the smaller club should just roll over. what's pissing ye off most is that someone is standing up to ye, and even if we lose tevez, i hope it all fucks up for ye so that other small clubs will hold onto their better players too and make the league more even

Why did you quote me???

I don't appreciate being lumped in with the Gloryhunting brigade.

[Rebelred]

i do love the way man utd and it's fans think that just because they want a player from a smaller club, that it is their god given right to have that player and that the smaller club should just roll over. what's pissing ye off most is that someone is standing up to ye, and even if we lose tevez, i hope it all fucks up for ye so that other small clubs will hold onto their better players too and make the league more even

http://verena.nomadlife.org/uploaded_images/ostrich-759977.jpg

[lionelhutz]

whooooosh

what happened with murph?? another bust up? opti?

heh heh heh

[homer jay]

what happened with murph?? another bust up? opti?

heh heh heh

eh? couldn't tell ya, i haven't played in about 4 weeks. dunno what the latest is at all.

[RonnyB]

i do love the way man utd and it's fans think that just because they want a player from a smaller club, that it is their god given right to have that player and that the smaller club should just roll over. what's pissing ye off most is that someone is standing up to ye, and even if we lose tevez, i hope it all fucks up for ye so that other small clubs will hold onto their better players too and make the league more even

Awh cant handle the fact that Carlos doesn't give a shit about West Ham and would like to play for a team who have realistic (if not guaranteed) top 4 hopes?

As I've said I'd rather not sign Tevez because the deal is pure dodgy but if Fergie thinks he's the man then so be it.

[liam2me]

Awh cant handle the fact that Carlos doesn't give a shit about West Ham and would like to play for a team who have realistic (if not guaranteed) top 4 hopes?

As I've said I'd rather not sign Tevez because the deal is pure dodgy but if Fergie thinks he's the man then so be it.
show me where he's supposedly said he doesn't give a shit, and i'll give you supposed quotes where he says, or has allegedly been said on his behalf, that he is happy at west ham and wouldn't have a problem staying

[homer jay]

show me where he's supposedly said he doesn't give a shit, and i'll give you supposed quotes where he says, or has allegedly been said on his behalf, that he is happy at west ham and wouldn't have a problem staying

read between the lines ffs. he played well at west ham, maybe he felt he owed them something, maybe he felt he needed to prove to everyone that he was a good player, maybe he was trying to improve his chances of a transfer to a bigger club. the latter i'd say.

he's hardly going to come out publicly and say he doesn't give a shit about west ham when he's still "tied" to them, is he? as someone said above, he's not in manchester for the weather!

[liam2me]

read between the lines ffs. he played well at west ham, maybe he felt he owed them something, maybe he felt he needed to prove to everyone that he was a good player, maybe he was trying to improve his chances of a transfer to a bigger club. the latter i'd say.

he's hardly going to come out publicly and say he doesn't give a shit about west ham when he's still "tied" to them, is he? as someone said above, he's not in manchester for the weather!

so you're bullshitting, whats new

[homer jay]

so you're bullshitting, whats new

is that the best you can come up with?
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tell me this, o' wise one, why aren't west ham asking for utd to be charged with tapping up tevez?

[liam2me]

is that the best you can come up with?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

tell me this, o' wise one, why aren't west ham asking for utd to be charged with tapping up tevez?
because utd have only dealt with yer ma joorabchian so far, no tevez, if he goes and has a medical they can & will

[RonnyB]

because utd have only dealt with yer ma joorabchian so far, no tevez, if he goes and has a medical they can & will

He'd have had the medical already only for West Ham's lack of permission which if given will rule out any tapping up case West Ham would look to bring.

[homer jay]

because utd have only dealt with yer ma joorabchian so far, no tevez, if he goes and has a medical they can & will

so kia motors has nothing to do with tevez' alleged contract at west ham, yet utd say they're dealing with him, and next thing carlos the jackel turns up in manchester. clubs have been charged with tapping up over a lot less than what utd have done here. so c'mon liam, tell us what's really going on?

[nemesis]

so you're bullshitting, whats new

The ironic thing is that were it not for United throwing their last game of the season, you'd now be a Chelsea supporter.

[Forsberg]

show me where he's supposedly said he doesn't give a shit, and i'll give you supposed quotes where he says, or has allegedly been said on his behalf, that he is happy at west ham and wouldn't have a problem staying

Pictures of him coming out of Manchester fucking Airport would suggest otherwise.

Actions speak louder than words Liam.

[STEVIEG]

Pictures of him coming out of Manchester fucking Airport would suggest otherwise.

Actions speak louder than words Liam.

Maybe he wanted to go and see the set of Coronation Street!

[Forsberg]

Maybe he wanted to go and see the set of Coronation Street!

I head he was a huge fan alright. Apparrantly he doesn't like the grittier and edgier Eastenders . It reminds him too much of his youth on the streets of Buenes Aires

[STEVIEG]

I head he was a huge fan alright. Apparrantly he doesn't like the grittier and edgier Eastenders . It reminds him too much of his youth on the streets of Buenes Aires

True, apparently he is flying over here next week and heading down to Glenroe for a few days

[elwood blues]

I head he was a huge fan alright. Apparrantly he doesn't like the grittier and edgier Eastenders . It reminds him too much of his youth on the streets of Buenes Aires

He said his two ambitions in life were to play with a successful premiership club and to have a pint in the Rovers.
At least he will have achieved one of them today.

[STEVIEG]

He said his two ambitions in life were to play with a successful premiership club and to have a pint in the Rovers.
At least he will have achieved one of them today.

:):)

[Forsberg]

True, apparently he is flying over here next week and heading down to Glenroe for a few days

I could have sworn he'd already done that leg of the tour . I mean , that jumper he was wearing had to have been from the souvenier shop there. It was vintage Miley

[ho chi feen]

United call in Fifa to resolve Tevez row


Fifa's dispute resolution chamber could rule on the striker's future

Staff and agencies
Wednesday July 18, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

Manchester United today asked Fifa to arbitrate in the ongoing dispute over Carlos Tevez's future after West Ham blocked their attempts to give the Argentinian striker a medical.
The United chief executive David Gill said the club had taken the issue to Fifa's dispute resolution chamber, and suggested the issue should be rushed through to ensure a speedy resolution. He also expressed his confidence that Tevez would eventually become a United player.

"There has been a lot of discussions over the last few days between Manchester United, West Ham and the Premier League but the case will probably go before Fifa's dispute resolution chamber," said Gill. "We are very confident this will be resolved in favour of the player and he will be free to achieve his wish of joining Manchester United."
Talks between United lawyer Maurice Watkins and West Ham chairman Eggert Magnusson at the Premier League's offices in London yesterday ended in stalemate with no agreement reached over the the player. Tevez flew into Manchester yesterday but West Ham refused to consent to a planned medical this morning, instead confirming they have written to the Premier League this morning requesting the matter be referred to Fifa. "It now makes sense for this to be dealt with by Fifa," said a West Ham spokesman. "All parties agree this is the best way forward and of course we will be involved in helping this be resolved as quickly as possible."

The Hammers are adamant they hold Tevez's registration, that he is contracted to them for another three years and that they have unilaterally terminated all third-party agreements with his representative Kia Joorabchian.

Joorabchian maintains that his company Media Sports Investments (MSI) own the economic rights to the player, and that they have already agreed personal terms with Manchester United. United are understood to have agreed an initial loan deal for Tevez with a view to a permanent transfer, a similar deal to that which took Javier Mascherano from West Ham to Liverpool in January.

In January, however, West Ham simply cancelled Mascherano's registration to allow the move to go through. The Premier League is not allowing them to do the same with Tevez because such a move would indicate the original agreements with Joorabchian were still binding despite assurances to the contrary.

United expect a Fifa panel will hear the Tevez case in around two weeks, but the world governing body said it will have to first decide whether it is the correct organisation to deal with it. "If a complaint is submitted to Fifa our legal department will take a look at it and see whether we are the competent authority to deal with the matter," said spokesman Andreas Herren.

[xvis]

The details of Tevez's original contract with West ham were a four year contract, ..with MSI and Just Sports holding the economic rights, with these companies 'having the sole, exclusive and unilateral right, upon serving written notice to the club during the January transfer window, to terminate his contract with West Ham upon payment to the club of £2 million'.

In any subsequent tranfer windows.. 'the companies have the unilateral option to exercise that right of termination during any subsequent UK transfer window for the sum of £100,000 payable to the club "without any right of objection from the club or from the player". No other alterations to the contracts could be carried out without the written permission of the companies.

Masherano's contract was similar, ..but for 5 years and the economic rights held by GSA and GSL with a provision that the owners could serve notice to West Ham during any transfer window and only £150,000 being being owed to West Ham.

These illegal clauses led to the subsequent PL's punishment, ..but the only reason West Ham got these players so cheap in the first place was on the 'goodwill' of Joorabchian as part of the takeover bid and with the understanding that both players would be released for modest fees if the takeover was unsuccessful.



So in the subsequent rewrite, not only have West Ham swindled Sheffield United ...they've also swindled Joorabchian by gaining a player for free!!! ..had West Ham had to stump up properly last summer they would have had to pay about £3-4m up front as part of the hire deal (similar to the £6m as United are proposing in a similar arrangement now).
And the PL fined West Ham £5.5 based on the fact that 'the club were prepared to pay a considerable sum to an agent as a reward for securing these deals'
....so basically the PL have swindled and pocketed £5.5 that would have been due to Joorabchian if West Ham had entered proper contracts last summer!!!

...nice one for the PL.
(the mess continues..)

[xvis]

Proper procedure dictates that the call to FIFA would come from the player.

http://soccernet.espn.go.co m/news/story?id=446306&cc=5739

FIFA have been called in to break the deadlock in the Carlos Tevez dispute.


West Ham and Manchester United believe only the world governing body can end the impasse over the Argentina striker and a decision to call in FIFA was taken by the clubs on Wednesday.

It will be Tevez himself, however, who will formally call for FIFA's dispute resolution panel to step in - a process that could happen within a fortnight.
Manchester United remain ultra-confident the 24-year-old will eventually become their player.

United chief executive David Gill confirmed the Red Devils' bid to sign the Argentina forward, who has scrapped plans to have a medical in Manchester this week, was headed for FIFA to effectively determine who currently owns Tevez: West Ham or his adviser Kia Joorabchian.
'There has been a lot of discussions over the last few days between Manchester United, West Ham and the Premier League but the case will probably go before FIFA's dispute resolution chamber,' said Gill, speaking in Seoul, Korea.
'We are very confident this will be resolved in favour of the player and he will be free to achieve his wish of joining Manchester United.'
West Ham confirmed they have written to the Premier League requesting the matter be referred to FIFA.
A West Ham spokesman said: 'It now makes sense for this to be dealt with by FIFA.
'All parties agree this is the best way forward and of course we will be involved in helping this be resolved as quickly as possible.'
United legal expert Maurice Watkins met with West Ham chairman Eggert Magnusson in London yesterday, yet despite feeling reasonably optimistic a solution could be negotiated, there was only deadlock.

Although the Red Devils hope to push the matter through as quickly as possible, there remains the real possibility Tevez, who has now been allowed to start a short holiday, might not be signed before the August 31 transfer deadline.
'Hopefully the case will be heard on an expedited basis but we are not sure whether we will have him signed in time for the new season,' said Gill.
'It may take up to two weeks for the body to be formed, all the paperwork has to be put together and then the case has to be heard.
'Even given that timetable we hope by the time the new season kicks off, Carlos will be training at Carrington.'

Earlier this week, Gill, an influential FA board member, suggested the whole saga had become 'over-complicated'.
However, it now looks like becoming even more problematic, with Sheffield United no doubt keenly interested in how the matter is eventually resolved given Tevez played such a huge role in sending them down.
'All the discussions we have had over the last few weeks lead us to believe this will be resolved in Carlos' favour,' said Gill.
'Once that happens, he will be free to join Manchester United.'
While FIFA will examine all the documentation before deciding whether they have any jurisdiction over the case, it seems certain the Premier League - as well as West Ham - would be happy to abide by any decision.

So, instead of having his medical, Tevez will now go on holiday, hoping by the time he returns, he will only need to sign a contract to become a United player.
'It was always Sir Alex's plan to give Carlos a break, so I expect he will now go on an exotic holiday with his family,' added Gill.
'He has not completed a medical with us.'
United's bid to sign Tevez could also go to the Court of Arbitration for Sport if FIFA cannot resolve the issue, according to Mick McGuire.
McGuire, an English board member of FIFPro who represent players in disputes that go to FIFA's dispute resolution chamber (DRC), hopes the issue can be resolved swiftly - but the case could still go further.
'It could drag on. But FIFA make the regulations on transfer windows and know the time frames - you would hope they take that into account,' he said.
'You can take it to the next stage, to CAS, and that would be the final appeal stage.'
Whether a case is suitable for the DRC or player status committee (PSC) depends on the nature of the dispute, if it is club-to-club or player-to-club.
McGuire said: 'It's a matter of which avenue is most appropriate. It could be seen as a dispute between Manchester United and West Ham, or between Tevez and West Ham.'
McGuire is also deputy chief executive for the Professional Footballers' Association, who have expressed concern over the issue of third-party ownership that is at the heart of the Tevez case.

PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor has previously highlighted the problems of players being owned by companies or individuals.
'It's trafficking in people, which is never good,' said Taylor.
'Once you get an individual or a company - not a football club - owning a player, you will get trouble.
'From a PFA point of view, you can't have players owned by individuals rather than clubs because it will make a mockery of the transfer system - and we don't want people trading in people.
'If you have a situation where that is the case then it will lead to nothing but trouble for the integrity of the game.'

[liam2me]

United call in Fifa to resolve Tevez row


Fifa's dispute resolution chamber could rule on the striker's future

Staff and agencies
Wednesday July 18, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

Manchester United today asked Fifa to arbitrate in the ongoing dispute over Carlos Tevez's future after West Ham blocked their attempts to give the Argentinian striker a medical.
The United chief executive David Gill said the club had taken the issue to Fifa's dispute resolution chamber, and suggested the issue should be rushed through to ensure a speedy resolution. He also expressed his confidence that Tevez would eventually become a United player.

"There has been a lot of discussions over the last few days between Manchester United, West Ham and the Premier League but the case will probably go before Fifa's dispute resolution chamber," said Gill. "We are very confident this will be resolved in favour of the player and he will be free to achieve his wish of joining Manchester United."
Talks between United lawyer Maurice Watkins and West Ham chairman Eggert Magnusson at the Premier League's offices in London yesterday ended in stalemate with no agreement reached over the the player. Tevez flew into Manchester yesterday but West Ham refused to consent to a planned medical this morning, instead confirming they have written to the Premier League this morning requesting the matter be referred to Fifa. "It now makes sense for this to be dealt with by Fifa," said a West Ham spokesman. "All parties agree this is the best way forward and of course we will be involved in helping this be resolved as quickly as possible."

The Hammers are adamant they hold Tevez's registration, that he is contracted to them for another three years and that they have unilaterally terminated all third-party agreements with his representative Kia Joorabchian.

Joorabchian maintains that his company Media Sports Investments (MSI) own the economic rights to the player, and that they have already agreed personal terms with Manchester United. United are understood to have agreed an initial loan deal for Tevez with a view to a permanent transfer, a similar deal to that which took Javier Mascherano from West Ham to Liverpool in January.

In January, however, West Ham simply cancelled Mascherano's registration to allow the move to go through. The Premier League is not allowing them to do the same with Tevez because such a move would indicate the original agreements with Joorabchian were still binding despite assurances to the contrary.

United expect a Fifa panel will hear the Tevez case in around two weeks, but the world governing body said it will have to first decide whether it is the correct organisation to deal with it. "If a complaint is submitted to Fifa our legal department will take a look at it and see whether we are the competent authority to deal with the matter," said spokesman Andreas Herren.

The details of Tevez's original contract with West ham were a four year contract, ..with MSI and Just Sports holding the economic rights, with these companies 'having the sole, exclusive and unilateral right, upon serving written notice to the club during the January transfer window, to terminate his contract with West Ham upon payment to the club of £2 million'.

In any subsequent tranfer windows.. 'the companies have the unilateral option to exercise that right of termination during any subsequent UK transfer window for the sum of £100,000 payable to the club "without any right of objection from the club or from the player". No other alterations to the contracts could be carried out without the written permission of the companies.

Masherano's contract was similar, ..but for 5 years and the economic rights held by GSA and GSL with a provision that the owners could serve notice to West Ham during any transfer window and only £150,000 being being owed to West Ham.

These illegal clauses led to the subsequent PL's punishment, ..but the only reason West Ham got these players so cheap in the first place was on the 'goodwill' of Joorabchian as part of the takeover bid and with the understanding that both players would be released for modest fees if the takeover was unsuccessful.



So in the subsequent rewrite, not only have West Ham swindled Sheffield United ...they've also swindled Joorabchian by gaining a player for free!!! ..had West Ham had to stump up properly last summer they would have had to pay about £3-4m up front as part of the hire deal (similar to the £6m as United are proposing in a similar arrangement now).
And the PL fined West Ham £5.5 based on the fact that 'the club were prepared to pay a considerable sum to an agent as a reward for securing these deals'
....so basically the PL have swindled and pocketed £5.5 that would have been due to Joorabchian if West Ham had entered proper contracts last summer!!!

...nice one for the PL.
(the mess continues..)

Proper procedure dictates that the call to FIFA would come from the player.

http://soccernet.espn.go.co m/news/story?id=446306&cc=5739

FIFA have been called in to break the deadlock in the Carlos Tevez dispute.


West Ham and Manchester United believe only the world governing body can end the impasse over the Argentina striker and a decision to call in FIFA was taken by the clubs on Wednesday.

It will be Tevez himself, however, who will formally call for FIFA's dispute resolution panel to step in - a process that could happen within a fortnight.
Manchester United remain ultra-confident the 24-year-old will eventually become their player.

United chief executive David Gill confirmed the Red Devils' bid to sign the Argentina forward, who has scrapped plans to have a medical in Manchester this week, was headed for FIFA to effectively determine who currently owns Tevez: West Ham or his adviser Kia Joorabchian.
'There has been a lot of discussions over the last few days between Manchester United, West Ham and the Premier League but the case will probably go before FIFA's dispute resolution chamber,' said Gill, speaking in Seoul, Korea.
'We are very confident this will be resolved in favour of the player and he will be free to achieve his wish of joining Manchester United.'
West Ham confirmed they have written to the Premier League requesting the matter be referred to FIFA.
A West Ham spokesman said: 'It now makes sense for this to be dealt with by FIFA.
'All parties agree this is the best way forward and of course we will be involved in helping this be resolved as quickly as possible.'
United legal expert Maurice Watkins met with West Ham chairman Eggert Magnusson in London yesterday, yet despite feeling reasonably optimistic a solution could be negotiated, there was only deadlock.

Although the Red Devils hope to push the matter through as quickly as possible, there remains the real possibility Tevez, who has now been allowed to start a short holiday, might not be signed before the August 31 transfer deadline.
'Hopefully the case will be heard on an expedited basis but we are not sure whether we will have him signed in time for the new season,' said Gill.
'It may take up to two weeks for the body to be formed, all the paperwork has to be put together and then the case has to be heard.
'Even given that timetable we hope by the time the new season kicks off, Carlos will be training at Carrington.'

Earlier this week, Gill, an influential FA board member, suggested the whole saga had become 'over-complicated'.
However, it now looks like becoming even more problematic, with Sheffield United no doubt keenly interested in how the matter is eventually resolved given Tevez played such a huge role in sending them down.
'All the discussions we have had over the last few weeks lead us to believe this will be resolved in Carlos' favour,' said Gill.
'Once that happens, he will be free to join Manchester United.'
While FIFA will examine all the documentation before deciding whether they have any jurisdiction over the case, it seems certain the Premier League - as well as West Ham - would be happy to abide by any decision.

So, instead of having his medical, Tevez will now go on holiday, hoping by the time he returns, he will only need to sign a contract to become a United player.
'It was always Sir Alex's plan to give Carlos a break, so I expect he will now go on an exotic holiday with his family,' added Gill.
'He has not completed a medical with us.'.........

..........PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor has previously highlighted the problems of players being owned by companies or individuals.
'It's trafficking in people, which is never good,' said Taylor.
'Once you get an individual or a company - not a football club - owning a player, you will get trouble.
'From a PFA point of view, you can't have players owned by individuals rather than clubs because it will make a mockery of the transfer system - and we don't want people trading in people.
'If you have a situation where that is the case then it will lead to nothing but trouble for the integrity of the game.'

do keep up lads :sleeping:

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showpost.php?p=16294 15&postcount=1556

[Forsberg]

It will be Tevez himself, however, who will formally call for FIFA's dispute resolution panel to step in - a process that could happen within a fortnight.
Manchester United remain ultra-confident the 24-year-old will eventually become their player.


Translate. >>> "Sepp. please sort this out so that I can be playing for a decent team this season"

[liam2me]

It will be Tevez himself, however, who will formally call for FIFA's dispute resolution panel to step in - a process that could happen within a fortnight.
Manchester United remain ultra-confident the 24-year-old will eventually become their player.


Translate. >>> "Sepp. please sort this out so that I can be playing for a decent team this season"
man utd are rattled, can't handle being told no. + i wonder what sepp will say, a G14 (anti-fifa) member or the club led by the former UEFA board member, hmmm will be fun

[ho chi feen]

man utd are rattled, can't handle being told no. + i wonder what sepp will say, a G14 (anti-fifa) member or the club led by the former UEFA board member, hmmm will be fun

Told no by whom?

[liam2me]

Told no by whom?
told no by west ham & the prem league, forcing them to actually have to speak to west ham, something they were trying to circumvent from the start

[xvis]

man utd are rattled, can't handle being told no. + i wonder what sepp will say, a G14 (anti-fifa) member or the club led by the former UEFA board member, hmmm will be fun

The only decent thing for West Ham to do at this stage would be to resign from the PL, ..and take the £100k due for Tevez.


Any chance you could photocopy at work tomorrow Tevez new 'contract' that was signed in April?? ..so we on the Proc can put this one to bed and save Blatter the trouble, ...as it looks like he doesn't fancy getting involved in it either.

[liam2me]

The only decent thing for West Ham to do at this stage would be to resign from the PL, ..and take the £100k due for Tevez.


Any chance you could photocopy at work tomorrow Tevez new 'contract' that was signed in April?? ..so we on the Proc can put this one to bed and save Blatter the trouble, ...as it looks like he doesn't fancy getting involved in it either.
sounds like a rattled man u fan if i ever heard one

[ho chi feen]

told no by west ham & the prem league, forcing them to actually have to speak to west ham, something they were trying to circumvent from the start

Dealing with the party that owns the player is usually the first step in legitimate transfer proceedings. As it stands, this whole Tevez thing is a farce. The sooner this is sorted, the better for all concerned. There's so much dodginess connected with West Ham's initial signing and the subsequent PL fudge it's untrue. And to think the English speak with contempt of the dealings in Italian football! Unless the transfer works out to be 100% legitimate and beyond all approach, I don't want to see him at United. I'm still very wary about Macherano's Liverpool move- presumably it's a more straightforward fee upfront with a fee to be paid later deal, rather than the type of mess West Ham embroiled themselves in, but you just never know. An utter embarrassment all round for the integrity of the PL.

[xvis]

sounds like a rattled man u fan if i ever heard one

hardly.


I don't even rate Tevez that highly (see the Tevez or Torres thread in which I voted for Torres), ..but I am highly interested in the legality of all these contracts.


...any chance of that April contract with Joorabchian giving West Ham Tevez for free? ...or was it just the August contract with a bit of Tip-EX?

[liam2me]

Dealing with the party that owns the player is usually the first step in legitimate transfer proceedings. As it stands, this whole Tevez thing is a farce. The sooner this is sorted, the better for all concerned. There's so much dodginess connected with West Ham's initial signing and the subsequent PL fudge it's untrue. And to think the English speak with contempt of the dealings in Italian football! Unless the transfer works out to be 100% legitimate and beyond all approach, I don't want to see him at United. I'm still very wary about Macherano's Liverpool move- presumably it's a more straightforward fee upfront with a fee to be paid later deal, rather than the type of mess West Ham embroiled themselves in, but you just never know. An utter embarrassment all round for the integrity of the PL.
yes but it was naive in the extreme for man utd not to even contact west ham just to ask, completely foolish and it has led them to this point, if they had been a bit smarter they would have contacted west ham at the same time as kia and it would prob be a done deal by now, but now i can see it dragging on well beyond the close of the transfer window and man u may just say to hell with it and cut their losses, even if they don't they are being very foolish by allowing themselves to enter into a long term loan deal with kia joorabchian after what has come out about him in the last month or 2

won't argue that terry brown was a fool to get into bed with joorabchian but i guess he thought joorabchian was going to give him lots of money for the club outright, money joorabchian doesn't have. but no matter how foolish he was, and he was very, very foolish, man u are even more so for the reasons above

[xvis]

Dealing with the party that owns the player is usually the first step in legitimate transfer proceedings. As it stands, this whole Tevez thing is a farce. The sooner this is sorted, the better for all concerned. There's so much dodginess connected with West Ham's initial signing and the subsequent PL fudge it's untrue. And to think the English speak with contempt of the dealings in Italian football! Unless the transfer works out to be 100% legitimate and beyond all approach, I don't want to see him at United. I'm still very wary about Macherano's Liverpool move- presumably it's a more straightforward fee upfront with a fee to be paid later deal, rather than the type of mess West Ham embroiled themselves in, but you just never know. An utter embarrassment all round for the integrity of the PL.

Absolutely. The PL have vowed to accept any possible decision of FIFA.

The PL have humiliated themselves. ...particularly in their acceptance of the April re-registration and acceptance of West Ham's guarantees at that stage that they controlled the player.

[liam2me]

hardly.


I don't even rate Tevez that highly (see the Tevez or Torres thread in which I voted for Torres), ..but I am highly interested in the legality of all these contracts.


...any chance of that April contract with Joorabchian giving West Ham Tevez for free? ...or was it just the August contract with a bit of Tip-EX?
i hope you're even close to being intelligent enough to understand this (http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?p=162 2967#post1622967)

[liam2me]

Absolutely. The PL have vowed to accept any possible decision of FIFA.

The PL have humiliated themselves. ...particularly in their acceptance of the April re-registration and acceptance of West Ham's guarantees at that stage that they controlled the player.
if west ham didn't control the player, as you put it, then why did joorabchian have to come begging to west ham to terminate the contract? maybe because he knows if it goes to court he's fucked, funny how that option is off the table now

[ho chi feen]

if west ham didn't control the player, as you put it, then why did joorabchian have to come begging to west ham to terminate the contract? maybe because he knows if it goes to court he's fucked, funny how that option is off the table now

So you're saying West Ham are the owners of Tevez now? How did that come about, exactly?

[xvis]

if west ham didn't control the player, as you put it, then why did joorabchian have to come begging to west ham to terminate the contract? maybe because he knows if it goes to court he's fucked, funny how that option is off the table now


Joorabchian requested West Ham to terminate his registration, not his contract.

..similarly to Mascherano in January, in which West Ham agreed to cancel his registration to facilitate his move to Liverpool.

[liam2me]

So you're saying West Ham are the owners of Tevez now? How did that come about, exactly?
see the link in post 1593 of this thread

[liam2me]

Joorabchian requested West Ham to terminate his registration, not his contract.

..similarly to Mascherano in January, in which West Ham agreed to cancel his registration to facilitate his move to Liverpool.
well thats enough for him to come to the door, cap in hand

[xvis]

i hope you're even close to being intelligent enough to understand this (http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?p=162 2967#post1622967)

Scudamore had pleaded with the PL that the August contract was probably unenforcable by law in that it was a restraint of trade. ...The PL accepted there may have been substance to that that but it was not in their remitt to enter into that.

West Ham still signed that contract and it will be for courts to decide it's validity. MSI etc had acquired the economic rights of Tevez in February 2006 and it remains to be seen in the next week or so where those economic rights were signed over to West ham.

[ho chi feen]

well thats enough for him to come to the door, cap in hand

MSI owned Tevez long before this dodgy contract with West Ham was signed.

[liam2me]

Scudamore had pleaded with the PL that the August contract was probably unenforcable by law in that it was a restraint of trade. ...The PL accepted there may have been substance to that that but it was not in their remitt to enter into that.

West Ham still signed that contract and it will be for courts to decide it's validity. MSI etc had acquired the economic rights of Tevez in February 2006 and it remains to be seen in the next week or so where those economic rights were signed over to West ham.

funny how kia seems reluctant to go down that route, what's he got to hide i wonder?

[liam2me]

MSI owned Tevez long before this dodgy contract with West Ham was signed.
well MSI (kia) seems to be getting hung by his own rope on this one, seems to have signed over slightly too much to west ham for him to have control anymore

[xvis]

MSI owned Tevez long before this dodgy contract with West Ham was signed.

MSI owned Tevez from 7th February 2006.


West Ham and the PL had a pleasant exchange in April which satisfied things from a football point of view, ...with making no provision for legal documents signed between West Ham and MSI in August.



Joorabchian has all the papers!!!

[xvis]

funny how kia seems reluctant to go down that route, what's he got to hide i wonder?

he will explore the football channels first, as is being done at the moment.


...this whole mess is down to West ham signing 3rd party agreements, so you should accept some responsibility for the actions of your club.
West Ham have done a lot more wrong in this Tevez case than Joorabchian.


There is nothing against 3rd parties owning the economic rights of players so long as they don't influence certain decisions

[liam2me]

he will explore the football channels first, as is being done at the moment.


...this whole mess is down to West ham signing 3rd party agreements, so you should accept some responsibility for the actions of your club.
West Ham have done a lot more wrong in this Tevez case than Joorabchian.


There is nothing against 3rd parties owning the economic rights of players so long as they don't influence certain decisions
i should take responsibility for what the previous owners of my club did? really? was i in the room when any of these deals were done? christ i know i can get inside info on some things, but you are overestimating what those things are, mug

[MonTheHoops]

he will explore the football channels first, as is being done at the moment.


...this whole mess is down to West ham signing 3rd party agreements, so you should accept some responsibility for the actions of your club.West Ham have done a lot more wrong in this Tevez case than Joorabchian.


There is nothing against 3rd parties owning the economic rights of players so long as they don't influence certain decisions

He's too busy writing songs about trasna

[Forsberg]

see the link in post 1593 of this thread

How much did they pay for him?

[xvis]

i should take responsibility for what the previous owners of my club did? really? was i in the room when any of these deals were done? christ i know i can get inside info on some things, but you are overestimating what those things are, mug

okay. to clarify, you should accept that that the club you support and work for should accept most of the responsibility for this whole mess, and the club did not act professionally enough at the start of the season just finished.


...and less of the personal.

[liam2me]

okay. to clarify, you should accept that that the club you support and work for should accept most of the responsibility for this whole mess, and the club did not act professionally enough at the start of the season just finished.


...and less of the personal.
jesus lad keep up, i've already accepted and admitted that terry brown was corrupt as fuck, thats old news, where have you been?

less of the personal, after you say, "so you should accept some responsibility for the actions of your club", verbatim, is a bit rich

[xvis]

jesus lad keep up, i've already accepted and admitted that terry brown was corrupt as fuck, thats old news, where have you been?

less of the personal, after you say, "so you should accept some responsibility for the actions of your club", verbatim, is a bit rich


Scott Duxbury, the Legal and Commercial Director of the club at the time was at the centre of most of the deceit/incompetence and held most of the responsibility for the mess, ...and is today Deputy CEO to Eggert Magnusson!!!.

To just say it was all Brown's fault is too convenient and slippery ..and is why Magnusson did not appeal the £5.5.m penalty. West Ham have behaved shabbily as a club in the whole mess, in what is a multi-million pound industry.


...PL Inquiry listing Duxbury's role:
Mr Duxbury then had a conversation with Mr Aldridge and repeated what he claims he had been told by Ms Purdon. The latter, that is Mr Aldridge, told him he would place the fact of the third party ownership into what he called side agreements, which he said he would not disclose to the FAPL. Mr Duxbury claims that he again checked the Rules to satisfy himself that such non-disclosure would be permitted. He again failed to look at Rule U18, and was of the view that non-disclosure was permissible. He advised Mr Aldridge of his opinion, and advised Mr Aldridge that if he was asked by the FAPL if there were such agreements that he was not to deny that, but to say that all information required to register the players had been submitted.
21. Mr Aldridge was not a witness to be called by either party. He has not made a statement. We do not know what he may have said as to this. He has thus not been here to answer for himself. We can only proceed upon such evidence as we have.
22. By the 31st, Ms Purdon and the FAPL had been told by Mr Duxbury that certainly in the case of Tevez, a third party, namely MSI, purported to own the player's registration.
23. On 1st September, due to media speculation as to how these players had been signed by West Ham, the FAPL wished to clarify the position. Ms Purdon, and to this extent there is common ground, and Mr Duxbury had a telephone conversation in which she asked him if the club had entered into any arrangements with any third parties. Ms Purdon says that his answer was an unequivocal "no". Mr Duxbury says that he essentially ducked that question. He did not say yes, he did not say no. He merely replied that all documents required for registration had been provided. In doing so, he was in the belief that no Rule had been broken because he, despite having reminded himself of the rules, had failed yet again to read U18.




..as regards the personal thing, I've already clarified that.

[liam2me]

Scott Duxbury, the Legal and Commercial Director of the club at the time was at the centre of most of the deceit/incompetence and held most of the responsibility for the mess, ...and is today Deputy CEO to Eggert Magnusson!!!.

To just say it was all Brown's fault is too convenient and slippery ..and is why Magnusson did not appeal the £5.5.m penalty. West Ham have behaved shabbily as a club in the whole mess, in what is a multi-million pound industry.


...PL Inquiry listing Duxbury's role:





..as regards the personal thing, I've already clarified that.
he was doing what he was paid to do, it was not his signature on the contracts i'm sure, it was terry brown and probably paul aldridge

anyway, seeing as your into the issue, where did MSI/west ham actually use this 3rd party influence?

[xvis]

he was doing what he was paid to do, it was not his signature on the contracts i'm sure, it was terry brown and probably paul aldridge

anyway, seeing as your into the issue, where did MSI/west ham actually use this 3rd party influence?

Some would say MSI are using it now, ...however party no 3 (MSI) would realistically be representing and in touch with party no 2 (Tevez) in dealing with party no 4 (United). So party 2 could be seen to be instigating it rather than the external party 3.

And if an external 3rd party could dictate policies of a club in a mid-season window it would be more serious than in a close season from the PL's point of view as regards influencing a league in progress.

The PL's concerns were with 3rd parties being able to dictate things rather than the club and the player, and the way the original contract was worded such clauses were in place in the Tevez and Mascherano contracts.

The PL's position on 3rd party agreements...
8. A recent, and the FAPL would say, disturbing development has occurred within the football world, namely third parties who are not themselves football clubs owning the economic rights of individual players. Those concerns have been referred to by Mr Foster in his evidence, namely:
(a) The third party may be able to determine when and to whom the player may be transferred, which may not coincide with the wishes and interests of the club for whom the player is playing, or the player himself, and thus potentially influence the playing policies of the club.
(b) In the event of the third party having a particular transfer in mind, it may seek to influence the playing performance of the player.
(c) The third party could prevent a transfer of the player against the interests of the club.
(d) The third party could prevent the termination of the player's contract with the club and against the wishes of the club. The club's disciplinary control of the player could be affected.
9. It is no part of our remit now, nor would it have been, had these proceedings been contested, to determine whether or not third party contracts are in the interests of football generally. All we would say in passing is that we can see some force in those concerns expressed by Mr Foster and comment that such contracts, as was the case here, have the potential clearly of infringing rule U18.

[nemesis]

man utd are rattled, can't handle being told no. + i wonder what sepp will say, a G14 (anti-fifa) member or the club led by the former UEFA board member, hmmm will be fun

What makes you think that the G14 are anti-FIFA?

[nemesis]

i should take responsibility for what the previous owners of my club did? really?

The idea that because West Ham is now under new ownership, it can't be held responsible for anything dodgy performed by its previous owners is another canard that I've seen trotted out by 'appy 'ammers over the past few weeks and it deserves to be put to bed once and for all.

When you take over a business as a going concern, as Eggert's group did with West Ham, you assume all of the debts and liabilities, including liabilities for past practice, that the previous owners were subject to. The takeover of West Ham was, just like all other Premiership takeovers, operated as a going concern for several weeks while the takeover was completed, and Eggert assumed the liabilities which the label of "going concern" placed upon him. Claiming that because West Ham are under new ownership to that which was involved when Tevez and Mascherano deals were signed excuses the club from any responsibility for wrongdoings committed at the time of the signings is nonsense, both logically and legally. Ironically, had the transfer of ownership of the club happened in 2005 it wouldn't have been subject to the European Directive on Takeovers; since it happened in November 2006, however, Eggert and his chums are now responsible for any ongoing results of shady practices carried out by Terry Brown.

But, of course, the 'appy 'ammers haven't a fucking clue about any of this and are too enamoured with their new owners to even care.

The courts will care though if this issue ever comes before a bench in England.

[liam2me]

The idea that because West Ham is now under new ownership, it can't be held responsible for anything dodgy performed by its previous owners is another canard that I've seen trotted out by 'appy 'ammers over the past few weeks and it deserves to be put to bed once and for all.

When you take over a business as a going concern, as Eggert's group did with West Ham, you assume all of the debts and liabilities, including liabilities for past practice, that the previous owners were subject to. The takeover of West Ham was, just like all other Premiership takeovers, operated as a going concern for several weeks while the takeover was completed, and Eggert assumed the liabilities which the label of "going concern" placed upon him. Claiming that because West Ham are under new ownership to that which was involved when Tevez and Mascherano deals were signed excuses the club from any responsibility for wrongdoings committed at the time of the signings is nonsense, both logically and legally. Ironically, had the transfer of ownership of the club happened in 2005 it wouldn't have been subject to the European Directive on Takeovers; since it happened in November 2006, however, Eggert and his chums are now responsible for any ongoing results of shady practices carried out by Terry Brown.

But, of course, the 'appy 'ammers haven't a fucking clue about any of this and are too enamoured with their new owners to even care.

The courts will care though if this issue ever comes before a bench in England.
you've missed the point, apparently i am personally responsible for them, myself and only me

as for the G-14 being anti-fifa, see the clubs suing the national teams for compo for injured players for one, G-14 clubs wanting to breakaway from UEFA/FIFA and set up their own league (a reason why the PL doesn't crack down on the big 4 more often when they break the rules), thats for a start

[liam2me]

Some would say MSI are using it now, ...however party no 3 (MSI) would realistically be representing and in touch with party no 2 (Tevez) in dealing with party no 4 (United). So party 2 could be seen to be instigating it rather than the external party 3.

And if an external 3rd party could dictate policies of a club in a mid-season window it would be more serious than in a close season from the PL's point of view as regards influencing a league in progress.

The PL's concerns were with 3rd parties being able to dictate things rather than the club and the player, and the way the original contract was worded such clauses were in place in the Tevez and Mascherano contracts.

The PL's position on 3rd party agreements...
8. A recent, and the FAPL would say, disturbing development has occurred within the football world, namely third parties who are not themselves football clubs owning the economic rights of individual players. Those concerns have been referred to by Mr Foster in his evidence, namely:
(a) The third party may be able to determine when and to whom the player may be transferred, which may not coincide with the wishes and interests of the club for whom the player is playing, or the player himself, and thus potentially influence the playing policies of the club.
(b) In the event of the third party having a particular transfer in mind, it may seek to influence the playing performance of the player.
(c) The third party could prevent a transfer of the player against the interests of the club.
(d) The third party could prevent the termination of the player's contract with the club and against the wishes of the club. The club's disciplinary control of the player could be affected.
9. It is no part of our remit now, nor would it have been, had these proceedings been contested, to determine whether or not third party contracts are in the interests of football generally. All we would say in passing is that we can see some force in those concerns expressed by Mr Foster and comment that such contracts, as was the case here, have the potential clearly of infringing rule U18.
but wets ham are having the say in what happens to tevez, not kia, hence the hold up, nor was their any influence earlier in the season.

now, how about man u telling everton that they can't play their newly purchased GK against them? that is ACTUAL 3rd party influence

[KolaKubes]

but wets ham are having the say in what happens to tevez, not kia, hence the hold up, nor was their any influence earlier in the season.

now, how about man u telling everton that they can't play their newly purchased GK against them? that is ACTUAL 3rd party influence

If Everton had played Howard, Utd could have done nothing about it.

I'm still hopeful all this is going to end in West Ham being shown up for lying to the Premier League and possibly getting relegated.

Fingers crossed. :D

[nemesis]

you've missed the point, apparently i am personally responsible for them, myself and only me

as for the G-14 being anti-fifa, see the clubs suing the national teams for compo for injured players for one, G-14 clubs wanting to breakaway from UEFA/FIFA and set up their own league (a reason why the PL doesn't crack down on the big 4 more often when they break the rules), thats for a start

But for this to be true you'd have to believe what you read in the papers.





Oh, right...

[homer jay]

If Everton had played Howard, Utd could have done nothing about it.

I'm still hopeful all this is going to end in West Ham being shown up for lying to the Premier League and possibly getting relegated.

Fingers crossed. :D

agreed. if only to fulfil the quashie continuum :p

[Forsberg]

But for this to be true you'd have to believe what you read in the papers.





Oh, right...

heh heh

[liam2me]

If Everton had played Howard, Utd could have done nothing about it.

but everton didn't because man u didn't want them too, hence 3rd party influence, whether man u could have done something or not is irrelevant

[Langer Dan]

but everton didn't because man u didn't want them too, hence 3rd party influence, whether man u could have done something or not is irrelevant

Was it the zionists Liam?

[Forsberg]

.

[Forsberg]

but everton didn't because man u didn't want them too, hence 3rd party influence, whether man u could have done something or not is irrelevant


Where's the tangiable evidence of this third party involvenment? It's all conjecture as far as I can see

[liam2me]

Where's the tangiable evidence of this third party involvenment? It's all conjecture as far as I can see
just because there is no paper evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen

[Forsberg]

just because there is no paper evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen

Mutual backscratching occurs in all walks of life, Liam . However most parties know when to stop before any marks appear.

[KolaKubes]

The ongoing efforts to compare a "gentleman's agreement" which wasn't on paper (because the Premier League explicitly said no) and wasn't binding on Everton to a situation where West Ham thought tearing up an illegal and binding agreement with MSI would make it all go away is laughable.

[liam2me]

The ongoing efforts to compare a "gentleman's agreement" which wasn't on paper (because the Premier League explicitly said no) and wasn't binding on Everton to a situation where West Ham thought tearing up an illegal and binding agreement with MSI would make it all go away is laughable.
west ham had a 3rd party agreement, which was never used

man utd had a 3rd party agreement that was,

very comparable

BTW, the agreement has shown to be not binding, kia's own 3rd party clause has made it untenable

[KolaKubes]

west ham had a 3rd party agreement, which was never used

man utd had a 3rd party agreement that was,

very comparable

Paper.

Verbal.

More's the point, I see fuck all wrong with Utd telling Everton they couldn't play Howard against us or the deal was off. We were facilitating them. Could just as easily have left him on loan and he still couldn't have played against us.

On the other hand, the deals allowing West Ham to register Tevez and Mascherano to play for them last season stunk to high heaven. What's truly extraordinary is that they were allowed register the players in the first place.

[liam2me]

Paper.

Verbal.

More's the point, I see fuck all wrong with Utd telling Everton they couldn't play Howard against us or the deal was off. We were facilitating them. Could just as easily have left him on loan and he still couldn't have played against us.

On the other hand, the deals allowing West Ham to register Tevez and Mascherano to play for them last season stunk to high heaven. What's truly extraordinary is that they were allowed register the players in the first place.
so you're admitting man u used 3rd party influence? whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant, where was west ham's 3rd party influence?

[Lamps]

I'm not really reading this stuff, but i did see the term gentlemans agreement being bandied about.

I'd just like to remind everyone that Roy Keane once gave King Kenny Dalglish his word and then told him fuck off. Stevie and the bumslappers told me at the time that this is a noble thing to do.


Just thought I'd bring that up.

Carry on

[KolaKubes]

I'm not really reading this stuff, but i did see the term gentlemans agreement being bandied about.

I'd just like to remind everyone that Roy Keane once gave King Kenny Dalglish his word and then told him fuck off. Stevie and the bumslappers told me at the time that this is a noble thing to do.


Just thought I'd bring that up.

Carry on

A good example of how a verbal agreement is essentially meaningless.

Mind, I'm an honest chap and I'd have told Kenny to fuck off as well if Utd came calling.

[Lamps]

A good example of how a verbal agreement is essentially meaningless.

Mind, I'm an honest chap and I'd have told Kenny to fuck off as well if Utd came calling.

Listen here Robson,

ah forget it,

tomorrow is another day

[homer jay]

Listen here Robson,

ah forget it,

tomorrow is another day

rattled

[liam2me]

so you're admitting man u used 3rd party influence? whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant, where was west ham's 3rd party influence?
answer the question pubes

[lionelhutz]

how a verbal agreement is essentially meaningless.

.

incorrect

[KolaKubes]

answer the question pubes

Pubes is it?

Just for that, I'm sticking an extra pin or two in my Bobby Moore doll this evening.

[liam2me]

Pubes is it?

Just for that, I'm sticking an extra pin or two in my Bobby Moore doll this evening.
answer the question

[Lamps]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co .uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/tm_headline=gabriel-heinze-see-you-in-court-fergie%26method=full %26objectid=19485278 %26siteid=100252-name_page.html


GABRIEL HEINZE will take his battle to join Liverpool from Manchester United to court.

Sir Alex Ferguson stated yesterday there was no way he would sell the 29-year-old to Liverpool.

However, United will have no choice if Heinze has a get-out clause, and now the defender is preparing to begin legal proceedings demanding his sale.

It’s been widely publicised in recent days Heinze has a letter signed by United chief executive David Gill allowing him to join any club which bids £6m – a valuation Liverpool are prepared to meet.

Despite their protests, it’s understood United did not have the foresight to add the phrase ‘except for Liverpool’ in this document.

Heinze’s representatives are confident of a swift court hearing forcing United to accept a £6m offer made by all interested clubs, including Liverpool.

The Anfield club made a formal bid for the defender which was rejected, but will now take a back seat and watch developments closely over the next few weeks.

[Lamps]

Bumslappers get out from behind the curtains and address this point.

What was Fergie on about yesterday if this proves to be the case, in my book its a far far worse claim that he made than what west ham are doing, at least the 'ammers are clinging to some sort of legality.

I'd love it, love it, if that orange bastard got his comeuppance in this

[Rebelred]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co .uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/tm_headline=gabriel-heinze-see-you-in-court-fergie%26method=full %26objectid=19485278 %26siteid=100252-name_page.html


GABRIEL HEINZE will take his battle to join Liverpool from Manchester United to court.

Sir Alex Ferguson stated yesterday there was no way he would sell the 29-year-old to Liverpool.

However, United will have no choice if Heinze has a get-out clause, and now the defender is preparing to begin legal proceedings demanding his sale.

It’s been widely publicised in recent days Heinze has a letter signed by United chief executive David Gill allowing him to join any club which bids £6m – a valuation Liverpool are prepared to meet.

Despite their protests, it’s understood United did not have the foresight to add the phrase ‘except for Liverpool’ in this document.

Heinze’s representatives are confident of a swift court hearing forcing United to accept a £6m offer made by all interested clubs, including Liverpool.

The Anfield club made a formal bid for the defender which was rejected, but will now take a back seat and watch developments closely over the next few weeks.

if Heinze has a getout clause, we don't know for sure that he has though.

[liam2me]

an interesting POV from a poster on the 606 website

I know West Ham supporters are sick of subject of Tevez, but just want to clear few misstatement must be clarified.
(1) Misinformation that Tevez has his hearts set on Man United and some are even saying it was his dream. Well not quite true. These statements were taken out of broader context of what he was saying, and keep in mind that his English is not very good, and British reporters are too lazy to learn Spanish.

His first statement about Man United was a "RESPONSE" to a question about playing with Man United.
He said he loves to play with them. What is he suppose to say about playing for club that he may be part of in future? He would also love to play for Milan and or any other big club, and would have had a similar responce if told Milan or Madrid were his likley destinations.
About his dreams, again twisted into something else. If you bother to understand Spanish, he was talking about dream of any Footballer to play for a club like Man United and big clubs. This is true of all Footballers! From this some have concluded that his heart is set on Man United and that he had always dreamed about playing with Man United. He is an Argenitine, he dreamed of playing with big clubs, but I think when he was kicking the ball in asphalts, big club that he was more likely to have been dreaming of Barcelona or Real Madird. Of course Tevez has now realized that Man United is a big club too.

(2) Despite of what bbc or papers are reporting, MAN. United has asked FIFA to intervene. Not West Ham nor EPL! They simply agreed.

I think Man United is using all of their bluffs but West Ham and EPL are taking them to task. "FIFA? Fine bring them on if you like," is West Ham and EPL's reaction.

I will try to find the post that I put up at MAn United borad almost right after
Gill came out with the claim of making deal with Tevez. I wrote , Deal will not through, and was laughed at.

Despite of all the claims of Man United and even some Hammers this being too complicated, it is in fact a clear cut case, (it is getting to be complicated because Man United are trying to save face.)

What Manures seem to ignore is that whatever the problem is with Tevez contract and MSI's claim, is really a matter of dispute between those two. Why is it so hard to understand?
If I buy car from some and then find out that there is some dispute or legal issues that the seller (Call him KIA) has with his previous business party (call him West Ham),
EVEN if I know that West Ham is crook and in no way has any right on the Car, I still have to back off and tell the seller to first settle the dispute with his/her previous business partner.
Seems like Man United has taken it upon themselves to do KIA's work.

FIFA will have no choice but to side with EPL.

They will make some consolation remarks, and chide West Ham and EPL about the handling of the situation, and ask EPL to come up with precise regulations in how to handle such cases in future, but for now-BOOKMARK THIS- "West Ham and EPL are on air tight legal ground" in as far as their insistence that any deal must go through West Ham. Doesn't matter if West Ham didn't pay a single penny, or unilaterally canceled part of contract, or even tortured KIA, kidnapped his children and held them for ransome and are still holding them. That is a seperate issue and KIA/MSI have to deal with it and deal with it in court of LAW.


another thing that makes me laugh, man u fans are claiming, wrongfully, that west ham are keeping tevez against his will, yet they blatantly ignore the fact that their own team are keeping a player at man u against his will, just because the don't want to sell to their rivals, hypocrisy at its highest

[Forsberg]

an interesting POV from a poster on the 606 website



another thing that makes me laugh, man u fans are claiming, wrongfully, that west ham are keeping tevez against his will, yet they blatantly ignore the fact that their own team are keeping a player at man u against his will, just because the don't want to sell to their rivals, hypocrisy at its highest

2 points about that Liam

1) As I've said elsewhere pictures of Tevez flying in to Manchester for a medical would sugget that Tevez does indeed have his heart set on a move to Man U. Only the most naive person with claret and blue tinted specs would think otherwise.

2) I'm also pretty certain that it is Tevez himself who has asked FIFA to intervene. It would be breach of transfer regulations for Man U to do this as they have not had any (official) contact with West Ham.


I am however tending to side with the notion that this transfer may not actually go through, which imo would be a disaster for West Ham from a team morale poinrt of view. I doubt Bellamy and the like would be too welcomoing of a guy who's clearly whored himself (be it directly or indirectly) around all summer.

[KolaKubes]

2 points about that Liam

1) As I've said elsewhere pictures of Tevez flying in to Manchester for a medical would sugget that Tevez does indeed have his heart set on a move to Man U. Only the most naive person with claret and blue tinted specs would think otherwise.

2) I'm also pretty certain that it is Tevez himself who has asked FIFA to intervene. It would be breach of transfer regulations for Man U to do this as they have not had any (official) contact with West Ham.


I am however tending to side with the notion that this transfer may not actually go through, which imo would be a disaster for West Ham from a team morale poinrt of view. I doubt Bellamy and the like would be too welcomoing of a guy who's clearly whored himself (be it directly or indirectly) around all summer.

West Ham are just a horrible little cockney wideboy club hoping to get a few bob out of this.

File with Chelsea.

[STEVIEG]

just because the don't want to sell to their rivals, hypocrisy at its highest

West ham are not rivals of United and never will be, not even in 2013

Liverpool always have been and always will be

[Forsberg]

West ham are not rivals of United and never will be, not even in 2013



You're right . Sure by then West Ham will have overtaken them and have bigger fish to fry.- Milan, Madrid, LA Galaxy!

[STEVIEG]

You're right . Sure by then West Ham will have overtaken them and have bigger fish to fry.- Milan, Madrid, LA Galaxy!

heh heh

[liam2me]

2 points about that Liam

1) As I've said elsewhere pictures of Tevez flying in to Manchester for a medical would sugget that Tevez does indeed have his heart set on a move to Man U. Only the most naive person with claret and blue tinted specs would think otherwise.

2) I'm also pretty certain that it is Tevez himself who has asked FIFA to intervene. It would be breach of transfer regulations for Man U to do this as they have not had any (official) contact with West Ham.


I am however tending to side with the notion that this transfer may not actually go through, which imo would be a disaster for West Ham from a team morale poinrt of view. I doubt Bellamy and the like would be too welcomoing of a guy who's clearly whored himself (be it directly or indirectly) around all summer.

1) he's gone to manchester because thats what kia's told him to do, kia has already said tevez hasn't a clue what's going on and is just doing what he's told

2) it is the FA apparently who have called FIFA, not tevez, according to the beeb (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6906648.stm) and according to the most reliable of sources (the sun :D ) no one has contacted FIFA (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007250874,00.html)

wouldn't be a disaster for west ham at all, would be a moral builder, knowing that the club will do it's upmost to keep it's players and not folding to the bigger clubs, would be a moral builder to all smaller clubs and a kick in the teeth for man u more then anyone

and according to that footballing bible (the sun again ;) ) fergie is starting to realise it might just not happen (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007330775,00.html)

if we do manage to hold on to tevez it will be the best thing for english football in years

[liam2me]

West ham are not rivals of United and never will be, not even in 2013

Liverpool always have been and always will be
no, sure only some of the 20 teams in the prem are rivals, tell me how many points did we take off ye hypocrites this season again?

[KolaKubes]

if we do manage to hold on to tevez it will be the best thing for english football in years

The best thing for English football would be if there were no more than three or four London clubs in the Premiership max.

Starting with West Ham getting relegated.

[liam2me]

The best thing for English football would be if there were no more than three or four London clubs in the Premiership max.

Starting with West Ham getting relegated.
awww, ya gotta love the bitterness, man u fan's not able to hack someone standing up to them and are spitting the dummy

[KolaKubes]

no, sure only some of the 20 teams in the prem are rivals, tell me how many points did we take off ye hypocrites this season again?

Six more than you deserved.

I was desperately disappointed at not hammering and relegating you lot.

Actually almost skipped the celebrations I was so disgusted.

[KolaKubes]

awww, ya gotta love the bitterness, man u fan's not able to hack someone standing up to them and are spitting the dummy

Oh, I don't give two shites about signing Tevez. I'd rather we gave Rossi a chance and hold on to the cash.

I just think West Ham are a horrible little club followed by Alf Garnetts little Englanders.

[liam2me]

Six more than you deserved.

I was desperately disappointed at not hammering and relegating you lot.

Actually almost skipped the celebrations I was so disgusted.
when you're not good enough on the day, you're not good enough, so when are ye going to let heinze go, seeing as his escape clause has apparently been met? oh thats right, ye're keeping him against his will and forcing him to go to court, allegedly

[liam2me]

Oh, I don't give two shites about signing Tevez. I'd rather we gave Rossi a chance and hold on to the cash.

I just think West Ham are a horrible little club followed by Alf Garnetts little Englanders.
well, i never said i cared what non-west ham fans thought, i actually said quite the opposite on some other thread recently

[KolaKubes]

when you're not good enough on the day, you're not good enough, so when are ye going to let heinze go, seeing as his escape clause has apparently been met? oh thats right, ye're keeping him against his will and forcing him to go to court, allegedly

I'd be happy to let him go to Liverpool.

Fergie is probably the one blocking it just out of spite.

I don't think the "champions elect" are that much of a concern.

[liam2me]

I'd be happy to let him go to Liverpool.

Fergie is probably the one blocking it just out of spite.

I don't think the "champions elect" are that much of a concern.
doesn't matter who at the club are blocking it, they are hypocritical shits for doing it

[Loftydog]

no, sure only some of the 20 teams in the prem are rivals, tell me how many points did we take off ye hypocrites this season again?

West ham will always be a plastic rival to teams like united and liverpool. Stick to the likes of southend and colchester liam for yer real rivals

[Forsberg]

when you're not good enough on the day, you're not good enough, so when are ye going to let heinze go, seeing as his escape clause has apparently been met? oh thats right, ye're keeping him against his will and forcing him to go to court, allegedly

Is this the same release clause that is being banded about in the ....wait for it.....meeja?


What is it you keep telling us about the media Liam?

[KolaKubes]

West ham will always be a plastic rival to teams like united and liverpool. Stick to the likes of southend and colchester liam for yer real rivals

Chavtastic.

[liam2me]

Is this the same release clause that is being banded about in the ....wait for it.....meeja?


What is it you keep telling us about the media Liam?
ok, tell me, after you've found a dictionary, what does 'apparently' and 'allegedly' mean? answers on a post card to

i'm a fucking idiot,
c/o the sports forum
PROC
etc

[Loftydog]

when you're not good enough on the day, you're not good enough, so when are ye going to let heinze go, seeing as his escape clause has apparently been met? oh thats right, ye're keeping him against his will and forcing him to go to court, allegedly

Not that arsed i would say on the final day and west ham being extremely fortunate between curbishlys first game and great goal keeping that prevented ye getting a hammering.

[liam2me]

Not that arsed i would say on the final day and west ham being extremely fortunate between curbishlys first game and great goal keeping that prevented ye getting a hammering.
so one great goal kept us from getting a hammering? tell me, since when did scoring 1 goal prevent the keeper down the other end from conceding? roma scored 1 goal, how did they fair at old trafford?

[STEVIEG]

no, sure only some of the 20 teams in the prem are rivals, tell me how many points did we take off ye hypocrites this season again?

How many points behind United did West Ham finish?


Answers on a postcard etc etc

[liam2me]

How many points behind United did West Ham finish?


Answers on a postcard etc etc
true, but to say they are not rivals is stupidity

[Forsberg]

true, but to say they are not rivals is stupidity

Not a big rivalry though.

Certainly not on the grand scale of West Ham and Tottenham. :D

[KolaKubes]

true, but to say they are not rivals is stupidity

:shock:

You really think West Ham are Utd's rivals?


Yaaaaaaa Liam, we were all scanning the fixture list looking forward to the big clash with West Ham alright.

More like a quick check to see what division ye're in this year.

[liam2me]

Not a big rivalry though.

Certainly not on the grand scale of West Ham and Tottenham. :D
true, that's the most violent rivalry i've seen up close since i've been here, pity i'm going to miss the west ham v roma game though, that will be a fucking riot, my advice, avoid liverpool street on the 4th of august

[liam2me]

:shock:

You really think West Ham are Utd's rivals?


Yaaaaaaa Liam, we were all scanning the fixture list looking forward to the big clash with West Ham alright.

More like a quick check to see what division ye're in this year.
same as ye, which is nice, another 6 point thanks

[KolaKubes]

same as ye, which is nice, another 6 point thanks

Care to bet on that?

[liam2me]

i'm broke, anyway i don't see the point in betting with an anonymous screen name

[lionelhutz]

i'm broke, anyway i don't see the point in betting with an anonymous screen name

dont worry. he's a bum too.

[liam2me]

dont worry. he's a bum too.
http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070110/070110_homeless_hmed _1230p.hmedium.jpg

[KolaKubes]

dont worry. he's a bum too.

I have money though.

[lionelhutz]

I have money though.

i bet you dont

[KolaKubes]

i bet you dont

I'm more than comfortable.

Now, what do you call 1,000 lawyers chained up at the bottom of the ocean?

[lionelhutz]

I'm more than comfortable.

Now, what do you call 1,000 lawyers chained up at the bottom of the ocean?

but you've never worked? it cant be betting. still sponging off daddy?

[KolaKubes]

but you've never worked? it cant be betting. still sponging off daddy?

I saved money from my stipend and I'm quite frugal.

Do you realise how crass you sound?

[lionelhutz]

I'm quite frugal.



ie. a bum.

[Loftydog]

true, but to say they are not rivals is stupidity

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha oh mercy!

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

true, but to say they are not rivals is stupidity

I think this might be one of those one sided rivalries.

West Ham hate United and United aren't really bothered.

[ho chi feen]

It's cute when teams like this try to portray themselves as your 'rivals'.

[liam2me]

arrogance will get you nothing but a fall

[dancefreak2003]

arrogance will get you nothing but a fall

lucky this isn't arrogance so

[liam2me]

lucky this isn't arrogance so
lol, yeah

[ho chi feen]

arrogance will get you nothing but a fall

It's not arrogance Liam, you're just not our rivals. Not in anyone's eyes but your own, anyway. Milwall, Spurs, Chelsea? They're amongst your rivals. United? Nope.

Or rivals are the likes of Leeds, Citeh and Liverpool, and, assuming they're doing well and we're doing well, Arsenal and Chelsea. But in real terms, it's just the first three. West Ham don't even enter the equation.

[Forsberg]

It's not arrogance Liam, you're just not our rivals. Not in anyone's eyes but your own, anyway. Milwall, Spurs, Chelsea? They're amongst your rivals. United? Nope.

Or rivals are the likes of Leeds, Citeh and Liverpool, and, assuming they're doing well and we're doing well, Arsenal and Chelsea. But in real terms, it's just the first three. West Ham don't even enter the equation.

Don't forget FC United

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

arrogance will get you nothing but a fall

So will delusions of grandeur.

[Langer Dan]

arrogance will get you nothing but a fall

eehm right, so who was in a relegation battle last season and who won the league.

Rivals?

Not in this lifetime.

[Loftydog]

It's not arrogance Liam, you're just not our rivals. Not in anyone's eyes but your own, anyway. Milwall, Spurs, Chelsea? They're amongst your rivals. United? Nope.

Or rivals are the likes of Leeds, Citeh and Liverpool, and, assuming they're doing well and we're doing well, Arsenal and Chelsea. But in real terms, it's just the first three. West Ham don't even enter the equation.

Exactly

[liam2me]

It's not arrogance Liam, you're just not our rivals. Not in anyone's eyes but your own, anyway. Milwall, Spurs, Chelsea? They're amongst your rivals. United? Nope.

Or rivals are the likes of Leeds, Citeh and Liverpool, and, assuming they're doing well and we're doing well, Arsenal and Chelsea. But in real terms, it's just the first three. West Ham don't even enter the equation.
it seems our definition of rivals isn't the same, you are talking about rivalry between fans, i'm talking about rivalry on the pitch, the 20 prem teams are each other rivals on the pitch. because they are in the same league, man u and leeds, west ham and millwall are not rivals on the pitch as they are in different leagues

[nemesis]

it seems our definition of rivals isn't the same, you are talking about rivalry between fans, i'm talking about rivalry on the pitch, the 20 prem teams are each other rivals on the pitch. because they are in the same league, man u and leeds, west ham and millwall are not rivals on the pitch as they are in different leagues

http://www.smddrums.com/woodcell/straws.jpg

[liam2me]

http://www.smddrums.com/woodcell/straws.jpg
ahahaha, too hard for you to understand?

[ho chi feen]

it seems our definition of rivals isn't the same, you are talking about rivalry between fans, i'm talking about rivalry on the pitch, the 20 prem teams are each other rivals on the pitch. because they are in the same league, man u and leeds, west ham and millwall are not rivals on the pitch as they are in different leagues

Leeds are right up there amongst our biggest rivals, and they're in league one. Two divisions doesn't change that one bit. Did Man City stop being our rivals when they went down to the second division? Like fuck they did. Are Wigan or Bolton (who are far more local than Leeds and Liverpool, never mind WHU) suddenly our rivals because they happen to be in the same division as us? They are in their fuck.

[liam2me]

Leeds are right up there amongst our biggest rivals, and they're in league one. Two divisions doesn't change that one bit. Did Man City stop being our rivals when they went down to the second division? Like fuck they did. Are Wigan or Bolton (who are far more local than Leeds and Liverpool, never mind WHU) suddenly our rivals because they happen to be in the same division as us? They are in their fuck.
maybe it's beyond your comprehension, you are talking about fans rivalry, i am talking about playing rivalry, as i've already explained, do keep up

[ho chi feen]

maybe it's beyond your comprehension, you are talking about fans rivalry, i am talking about playing rivalry, as i've already explained, do keep up

Fan rivalry, playing rivalry, whatever, I still think you'd struggle to find anyone connected with United who would consider West Ham to be our rivals. That's no slight on the hammers- it's just the way it is.

[liam2me]

Fan rivalry, playing rivalry, whatever, I still think you'd struggle to find anyone connected with United who would consider West Ham to be our rivals. That's no slight on the hammers- it's just the way it is.
as explained already, christ this really is beyond you, man u's league rivals are the 19 other teams, if ya can't understand that then you are a lost cause

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

as explained already, christ this really is beyond you, man u's league rivals are the 19 other teams, if ya can't understand that then you are a lost cause

Ok then, How come West Ham and Man U are such big 'playing rivals'?

Does it involve the self named "Guv'nor"

http://www.westham.no/images/upl/dennedagen-ince.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1320000/images/_1321882_w_ince_150. jpg

[KolaKubes]

as explained already, christ this really is beyond you, man u's league rivals are the 19 other teams, if ya can't understand that then you are a lost cause

The closest West Ham will be to Utd in the table this year is right now.

Even then, the great thing is that alphabetically ye start the season in the relegation zone.

If there's any justice, ye won't even be that close to us come August and will instead start the season in the Championship.

It's more apt for a club of your stature.

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

The closest West Ham will be to Utd in the table this year is right now.

Even then, the great thing is that alphabetically ye start the season in the relegation zone.

If there's any justice, ye won't even be that close to us come August and will instead start the season in the Championship.

It's more apt for a club of your stature.

But its not playing rivalry or love rivalry, its fan rivalry you see.

I wonder if you were to poll the 70,000 capacity home crowd one saturday and ask them who United's fan rivals are, how many would say West Ham?

Can you have a rivalry where one of the parties doesn't give a toss about the other?

[liam2me]

its always good to know that out&out football fans are still the thick as pig shit people they are portrayed to be

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

rivalry |?r?v?lr?| noun ( pl. -ries) competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Ham_United_F.C. #Rivalries
Rivalries
West Ham have strong rivalries with several other clubs. Most of these are with other London clubs, especially with their neighbours Tottenham Hotspur, Arsenal and also with Chelsea, which sublimates the age-old East versus West London rivalry.
The strongest and oldest rivalry is with Millwall. The two sides are local rivals, both formed originally around works sides Thames Iron Works and Millwall Iron Works shipbuilding companies. They were both rivals for the same contracts, and the same men in the same locality. The early history of both clubs are intertwined, with West Ham initially coming out on top in a number of meetings between the two teams eventually resulting in West Ham bring promoted at the expense of Millwall. Millwall later turned down joining the fledgling Football League only to see West Ham go on to the top division and an FA Cup final. Later in the 1920s the rivalry was supposedly spiced up during strike action made by East End (perceived to be West Ham fans) that Isle Of Dogs based companies (i.e. Millwall fans) refused to support breeding ill will between the two camps.

[ho chi feen]

as explained already, christ this really is beyond you, man u's league rivals are the 19 other teams, if ya can't understand that then you are a lost cause

In order to be rivals, there needs to be rivalry. In this case there is none; which isn't really surprising, as West Ham aren't our rivals.

[MonTheHoops]

as explained already, christ this really is beyond you, man u's league rivals are the 19 other teams, if ya can't understand that then you are a lost cause

If someone gets relegated do they cease to be their rivals?

[liam2me]

If someone gets relegated do they cease to be their rivals?
if it's a playing rivalry yes, if it's a fans rivalry no

[liam2me]

rivalry |?r?v?lr?| noun ( pl. -ries) competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Ham_United_F.C. #Rivalries

that objective being the premier league, the dictionary definition shows i'm right.

tell me what same objective are leeds and man u going for? or west ham and millwall?

they may be fans rivalry, but not on the field playing rivalry

thanks otto, hopefully this will clear it up for the thicko's

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

that objective being the premier league, the dictionary definition shows i'm right.

tell me what same objective are leeds and man u going for? or west ham and millwall?

they may be fans rivalry, but not on the field playing rivalry

thanks otto, hopefully this will clear it up for the thicko's

And will West Ham be realistically expecting to be challenging to win the league this year?

[liam2me]

And will West Ham be realistically expecting to be challenging to win the league this year?
not this year, not with curbishley in charge, but it matters not, ye say man u and west ham aren't rivals on the pitch, but had ye beaten west ham in the 1994-95 season ye would have won the league, so to say they are not rivals on the pitch is as stupid as saying that fire doesn't burn

[liam2me]

looks like man u's attempts to steal our player are on the rocks

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6911723.stm

[STEVIEG]

looks like man u's attempts to steal our player are on the rocks

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6911723.stm

I'm sure Man United will be fine, no matter what happens

Can you honestly see this guy wanting to play for West Ham again though?

[ho chi feen]

looks like man u's attempts to steal our player are on the rocks

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6911723.stm

Woah, you mean Kia's there player, right?

[liam2me]

I'm sure Man United will be fine, no matter what happens

Can you honestly see this guy wanting to play for West Ham again though?
you show me where he has said he won't, i'll show you plenty where he said he would have no problem staying at WHU

[Lamps]

Fair play to you Liam for standing up the the bullies much in the same way West Ham are standing up to ManYoo.

United should be thrown in the dock for tapping up Tevez, having him up for medical's when he's still signed up for the 'ammers. I've never seen the likes of it.

Disgusting

[STEVIEG]

Fair play to you Liam for standing up the the bullies much in the same way West Ham are standing up to ManYoo.

United should be thrown in the dock for tapping up Tevez, having him up for medical's when he's still signed up for the 'ammers. I've never seen the likes of it.

Disgusting

and badly rattled at that

[Sound]

Has this overtaken the Vieira and Henry transfer sagas in the tedium stakes?

I think so.

[ho chi feen]

Has this overtaken the Vieira and Henry transfer sagas in the tedium stakes?

I think so.

I'm bored senseless by it all anyway.

[STEVIEG]

you show me where he has said he won't, i'll show you plenty where he said he would have no problem staying at WHU

No, the quotes i'll provide will only be of newspapers that you don't give credence too (he has repeatedly said he wants to join a bigger team)

It was bad enough the guy ended up with a relatively average club on the last day of the transfer window last season, i doubt he really wants to spend another day there this season, hanging with the Craig Bellamy's of the World (no offense)

Persoanlly, i think if he doesn't go to United he may end up in Europe

[STEVIEG]

Has this overtaken the Vieira and Henry transfer sagas in the tedium stakes?

I think so.

Defo

also we can the Gerrard one that didn't happen plus the Hargreaves one and the famous Torres to United that a certain Spanish reporter from Sky claimed was a done deal last year

[de mange]

looks a little closer now


Egg cracks over Tevez move saga

West Ham chairman Eggert Magnusson has admitted he thinks Argentinian frontman Carlos Tevez "will be leaving soon".


Representatives of FIFA, the FA and the Premier League are due to meet to discuss the saga of Tevez's proposed move to Manchester United.

The transfer has ground to a halt amid a deluge of legal arguments over who owns the player's registration.

The Argentina striker's advisor Kia Joorabchian last week accused West Ham of saying one thing in private and another in public in their stance on the Tevez ownership issue, something the Upton Park club strenously deny.

But Magnusson has admitted he doesn't expect Tevez to stay.

He told Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet: "At the moment, he's our player but he wants to play in the Champions League.

"I think he will be leaving soon."

[STEVIEG]

looks a little closer now


Egg cracks over Tevez move saga

West Ham chairman Eggert Magnusson has admitted he thinks Argentinian frontman Carlos Tevez "will be leaving soon".


Representatives of FIFA, the FA and the Premier League are due to meet to discuss the saga of Tevez's proposed move to Manchester United.

The transfer has ground to a halt amid a deluge of legal arguments over who owns the player's registration.

The Argentina striker's advisor Kia Joorabchian last week accused West Ham of saying one thing in private and another in public in their stance on the Tevez ownership issue, something the Upton Park club strenously deny.

But Magnusson has admitted he doesn't expect Tevez to stay.

He told Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet: "At the moment, he's our player but he wants to play in the Champions League.

"I think he will be leaving soon."

Funny headline in fairness

[Forsberg]

looks a little closer now


Egg cracks over Tevez move saga

West Ham chairman Eggert Magnusson has admitted he thinks Argentinian frontman Carlos Tevez "will be leaving soon".


Representatives of FIFA, the FA and the Premier League are due to meet to discuss the saga of Tevez's proposed move to Manchester United.

The transfer has ground to a halt amid a deluge of legal arguments over who owns the player's registration.

The Argentina striker's advisor Kia Joorabchian last week accused West Ham of saying one thing in private and another in public in their stance on the Tevez ownership issue, something the Upton Park club strenously deny.

But Magnusson has admitted he doesn't expect Tevez to stay.

He told Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet: "At the moment, he's our player but he wants to play in the Champions League.

"I think he will be leaving soon."

Is that report from the "media" ?

tut tut

[STEVIEG]

Nani starts in some non-entity Korea pre-season game kickin off in a minute

Scholes is injured and is flying home (could be serious)

The "experiment" of Rooney and Ronaldo upfront is interesting i have to say, Fergie says he might try it in away games in Europe next season

[Lamps]

Nani starts in some non-entity Korea pre-season game kickin off in a minute


serious!

must get the stream up and running

[STEVIEG]

serious!

must get the stream up and running

It's on MUTV

I'm not heading to work till about 2 so i'm gonna catch the first half here, pop over if ya want (i'll get the kettle on)

PS

there might be a spare pair of John O'Shea jocks floating around after Edmunds last visit too

[FL4ZGN]

It's on MUTV

I'm not heading to work till about 2 so i'm gonna catch the first half here, pop over if ya want (i'll get the kettle on)

PS

there might be a spare pair of John O'Shea jocks floating around after Edmunds last visit too

Only if i can take along my Will Young CD

Heh heh he

[STEVIEG]

Bit of an exhibition match really

2-0 already should be a bout 5 Giggs and Rooney linking up well great second from Rooney

Good to see Nani and Ronaldo linking up nicely too

edit

3-0

Good debut goal by Nani Giggs involved in all three

[psy93]

well stevie, did ya enjoy the wedding? looked sharp in the suit biy!

[STEVIEG]

well stevie, did ya enjoy the wedding? looked sharp in the suit biy!

It was pretty good actually!

[FL4ZGN]

Sir Alex Ferguson has confirmed Middlesbrough are keen on signing striker Alan Smith.

Smith is thought to be mulling over his options at Manchester United as he goes in search of regular first-team football next season.

With competition for places at Old Trafford likely to be fierce, Smith could find himself well down the pecking order.

Gareth Southgate has stepped up his bid to sign the former Leeds man and is offering him the chance of playing regularly in the Premier League.

Ferguson hinted recently that Smith may be allowed to leave United if a club comes in for him and that has reignited Boro's interest.

Southgate has requested permission to speak to Smith with a view of thrashing out a deal for the England international.

Meanwhile, United youngsters Giuseppe Rossi and Gerard Pique will not be leaving United this summer, according to Ferguson.

Rossi and Pique had spells on loan at Parma and Real Zaragoza respectively and both clubs wanted to sign the players permanently.

"The lads going away proved themselves," Ferguson told the club's official website. "Giuseppe scored nine goals in 16 matches for Parma and the consensus is that he kept them up. Everyone says that.

"Gerard played 24 games for Zaragoza and did exceptionally well. We got all the videos of the players and watched what they did in training. They will certainly come back.

"Hopefully now we have a strong enough pool of players. That's one of the reasons I was keen to get the young lads who were away on loan last year back at the club.

"They will develop better with us. They may play more regularly away on loan, but training with us and being part of the squad brings them on immeasurably."

[Edmund Blackwater]

Another kick in the teeth for fergie

Benfica sells captain Simao Sabrosa to Atletico Madrid

LISBON, Portugal: Benfica has sold its captain Simao Sabrosa to Atletico Madrid for 20 million euros (US$27.4 million), a record for the Lisbon club.

The deal also gave Benfica an option to hire two of the Spanish team's players, Benfica said in a statement Thursday, but provided no further details.

Benfica's previous highest transfer was midfielder Tiago's 2004 move to Chelsea for around €12.5 million (US$17.2 million).

Simao, a winger, joined Benfica in 2001 after two years at FC Barcelona. He was voted Player of the Year last season by Portuguese first division coaches.

The 27-year-old has played 55 times for Portugal, scoring 13 goals.

Bad summer for fergie.
torres to Liverpool, Simao to Athletico and he ends up with...
Hargreaves.

[FL4ZGN]

Another kick in the teeth for fergie



Bad summer for fergie.
torres to Liverpool, Simao to Athletico and he ends up with...
Hargreaves.

It was Liverpool who were after Simao Eddie.

[lionelhutz]

has anyone nabbed quaresma???

[Edmund Blackwater]

It was Liverpool who were after Simao Eddie.
Oh I know Liverpool were after him last summer and maybe as recently as the January transfer window. But they've since bought Babel and are chasing Quaresma.
Manyoo bid for Simao at the start of the summer I'm led to believe.

[FL4ZGN]

Oh I know Liverpool were after him last summer and maybe as recently as the January transfer window. But they've since bought Babel and are chasing Quaresma.
Manyoo bid for Simao at the start of the summer I'm led to believe.

Tabloid speel i'd say.

Queroz connection.

[FL4ZGN]

has anyone nabbed quaresma???

He rejected Bayern, Athletic and Liverpool have reportedly bid in excess of 20 million euro.

[KolaKubes]

Another kick in the teeth for fergie



Bad summer for fergie.
torres to Liverpool, Simao to Athletico and he ends up with...
Hargreaves.

What a load of gibberish.


I'll give you one guess which of Torres, Simao and Hargreaves will finish the coming season with a league medal in their pocket.

Here's a clue, it's not Torres or Simao

[Edmund Blackwater]

What a load of gibberish.


I'll give you one guess which of Torres, Simao and Hargreaves will finish the coming season with a league medal in their pocket.

Here's a clue, it's not Torres or Simao
or Hargreaves.

[FL4ZGN]

or Hargreaves.

Re-Lamps thread: Hargreaves is gonna do his cruciate so he wont have played enough games to collect a winners medal.

[Sound]

What a load of gibberish.


I'll give you one guess which of Torres, Simao and Hargreaves will finish the coming season with a league medal in their pocket.

Here's a clue, it's not Torres or Simao

It's not easily a say this.

But you're rattled with that kind of talk.

[lionelhutz]

pubes is gettin his arse handed to him on a plate today. hey, whats new...

[STEVIEG]

Another kick in the teeth for fergie



Bad summer for fergie.
torres to Liverpool, Simao to Athletico and he ends up with...
Hargreaves.

Yes United really need players in this position............

Liverpool were going for him apparently, but they are better off without him IMO

by the way, league titles are not won in summer and Fergie has done okay in the transfer market, buying some good young players for the future...

[Loftydog]

Another kick in the teeth for fergie



Bad summer for fergie.
torres to Liverpool, Simao to Athletico and he ends up with...
Hargreaves.

Arsed...

[STEVIEG]

Can't find the official thread

Nuther good goal by Nani in todays friendly

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ms01_nani-goal-vs-guangzhou_sport

[mirps]

Can't find the official thread

Nuther good goal by Nani in todays friendly

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ms01_nani-goal-vs-guangzhou_sport

Some goal alright. Did he mean it though?

[STEVIEG]

Some goal alright. Did he mean it though?

Hard to say really

[mirps]

Hard to say really

He looks shit hot in the other clips from his debut, a bit too much like Ronaldo? Rooney'll be hard pressed to get a pass all season. Don't know how he doesn't lose it sometimes with Ronaldo.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Some goal alright. Did he mean it though?
Class goal, but his celebration leads me to believe that it was a mishit cross.

[STEVIEG]

Class goal, but his celebration leads me to believe that it was a mishit cross.

Could be

Though i think Fergie told him to put a lid on it after this celebration last week

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH40EW_PgtY

[STEVIEG]

He looks shit hot in the other clips from his debut, a bit too much like Ronaldo? Rooney'll be hard pressed to get a pass all season. Don't know how he doesn't lose it sometimes with Ronaldo.

Doubt Nani and Anderson will get many games this season defo ones for the future though

[Edmund Blackwater]

Could be

Though i think Fergie told him to put a lid on it after this celebration last week

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH40EW_PgtY

I read that in the paper today alright. But, I mean he doesn't really celebrate at all, as though he's a little embarassed/surprised.