Manchester United Transfer News

[Rebelred]

know nothing about Vidic,hope he's more of a heinze than a william prunier though!
As poor as silvestre has been recently,we need him as you can never be too sure about Browns fitness.Doesn't look like fergie has any cures lined up for midfield either,then again,Diarra aside,there aint many about and he's got the CL with lyon so he won't be going anywhere midseason

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Maniche could be new Blue

Jon Brodkin
Friday December 30, 2005


Dynamo Moscow say they are close to striking a deal with Chelsea that would take their midfielder Maniche to Stamford Bridge. The 28-year-old played under Jose Mourinho at Porto. "Conversations with Chelsea are continuing but they are the last parts of the negotiation," said Dynamo's sports director Boris Ignatiev. "It is possible that Chelsea will take Maniche on loan."
Maniche was a key member of the Porto team that won the Uefa Cup and Champions League in successive seasons under Mourinho, having previously played for him at Benfica. He followed success in the 2004 European Cup final with a fine European Championship performance for the hosts Portugal, scoring one of the goals of the tournament.


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Last May he was part of one of the summer's more surprising transfer deals when he moved to Moscow for a Russian-record fee of £11m. His fellow Porto midfielder Costinha also moved to Dynamo. However, Maniche has been far from happy in Russia and would jump at the chance of joining forces with Mourinho again.
Chelsea will be without their influential midfielder Michael Essien for several weeks when he joins the Ghana team for the African Nations Cup which will be played in January and February. When Scott Parker was injured a year ago Mourinho moved quickly to bring Jiri Jarosik in from CSKA Moscow as cover.

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Maniche could be new Blue

Jon Brodkin
Friday December 30, 2005


Dynamo Moscow say they are close to striking a deal with Chelsea that would take their midfielder Maniche to Stamford Bridge. The 28-year-old played under Jose Mourinho at Porto. "Conversations with Chelsea are continuing but they are the last parts of the negotiation," said Dynamo's sports director Boris Ignatiev. "It is possible that Chelsea will take Maniche on loan."
Maniche was a key member of the Porto team that won the Uefa Cup and Champions League in successive seasons under Mourinho, having previously played for him at Benfica. He followed success in the 2004 European Cup final with a fine European Championship performance for the hosts Portugal, scoring one of the goals of the tournament.


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Last May he was part of one of the summer's more surprising transfer deals when he moved to Moscow for a Russian-record fee of £11m. His fellow Porto midfielder Costinha also moved to Dynamo. However, Maniche has been far from happy in Russia and would jump at the chance of joining forces with Mourinho again.
Chelsea will be without their influential midfielder Michael Essien for several weeks when he joins the Ghana team for the African Nations Cup which will be played in January and February. When Scott Parker was injured a year ago Mourinho moved quickly to bring Jiri Jarosik in from CSKA Moscow as cover.


Don't believe it for a minute, they have ne need for him whatsoever.

[STEVIEG]

If United wanted him they would have went for him
Extra back up for Chelsea could be handy for them in Europe

[Philby]

True enough. Looked a really good player during Porto's CL-winning year but his game is similar to that of Rooney & Scholes in many ways. We all know united need a ball-winner/midfield general of genuine class. As good as Maniche is he is not the answer for them.

[ho chi feen]

Juuuuuuuuuudas!

[Langer Dan]

Nemanja Vidic is only a work permit away from completing his £7million move to Manchester United.

Vidic has passed his medical and agreed terms, so, with United agreeing a fee with Spartak Moscow for the Serbia and Montenegro international on Christmas Day, only the final piece of red tape needs to be cleared for the 24-year-old to join Sir Alex Ferguson's squad.

Providing everything goes as anticipated, Vidic should be available for the televised FA Cup third round tie at non-League Burton Albion on January 8

[Langer Dan]

United have been linked with Frenchmen Franck Ribery(Marseille midfielder) and Patrice Evra(Monaco defender ).

[Philby]

Evra is a great little ful-back and I've heard great things about Ribery...the star of the current french under-21s

"Real Madrid midfielder Thomas Gravesen is being linked with a return to England with Manchester United and Everton vying for his signature."

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=178358&clid=&channel=football_hom e&title=Transfers+-+Tabloid+Talk

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Chelsea have completed the loan signing of midfielder Maniche as the Portugal international linked up with Jose Mourinho for the third time in his career.

Maniche has joined from Dynamo Moscow until the end of the season, when Chelsea will consider whether to spend up to £5million on his acquisition.

The 28-year-old midfielder, who also played under Mourinho at Benfica and Porto, will provide cover while Michael Essien is injured or away at the African Nations Cup finals.

Essien is also suspended for both legs of Chelsea's Champions League last 16 encounter against Barcelona, having been banned by UEFA following his foul on Dietmar Hamann.

The Blues confirmed on their official website, www.chelseafc.com: "Chelsea today (Wednesday) completed the loan signing of Portugal international midfielder Maniche.

"The 28-year-old joins until the end of the season from Dynamo Moscow. He has not played in European competition this season so is eligible for UEFA Champions League action."

Maniche, who started his career at Benfica, played under Mourinho during the Chelsea manager's nine-game spell in charge at the Lisbon club in 2000.

Two years later, he followed Mourinho to Porto, where they won the UEFA Cup, Champions League and two Portuguese league titles together.

Maniche also became a regular in the Portugal side from 2003, scoring the goal of Euro 2004 against Holland in the semi-final and being voted into the all-star squad tournament.

Last summer, he moved to Dynamo Moscow for a Russian record transfer fee of about £10million along with Porto team-mate Costinha.

[Langer Dan]

Maniche confirmed for Chelsea on loan, no less!


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[Rebelred]

Evra is a great little ful-back and I've heard great things about Ribery...the star of the current french under-21s

"Real Madrid midfielder Thomas Gravesen is being linked with a return to England with Manchester United and Everton vying for his signature."

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=178358&clid=&channel=football_hom e&title=Transfers+-+Tabloid+Talk
Didnt Ribery play against Ireland in the u21 at turners cross back in the autumn?I think it was him anyway,looked a class above most on the pitch that night.haven't seen anything else of him though to be honest.Evra would be great cover for Heinze,or could even allow our favourite argie to move into the centre when he returns.Have a feeling Silvestre's days are numbered

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Pedantry aside, most Man U fans would be interested in where quality central midfielders are off to these days. For obvious reasons.

[Rebelred]

Maniche was never really going anywhere else once Jose wanted him.you're right though,we still need a top class midfielder so to hear another one had ended up with "midfielders r us" is a little depressing!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4583340.stm

evra's agent hopefully not just stirring shit.Have been impressed with him since he and Rothen were tearing up the champions league down the left wing two years ago.would be a great addition to the squad, albeit not in the area we need.With him and Vidic,O'Shea will probably find himself being used as a midfielder more often

[Lamps]

have seen evra a few times, looks very good, a bit like ashley cole, maybe better going forward than defending. i know this might sound radical but if him and vidic come then ye're best defence would be, in terms of actually having some organisation, fight and heart, evra, heinze, vidic, neville. but i have no doubt ferdie will be no1 name on the teamsheet so it'll never happen when all fit

[Rebelred]

have seen evra a few times, looks very good, a bit like ashley cole, maybe better going forward than defending. i know this might sound radical but if him and vidic come then ye're best defence would be, in terms of actually having some organisation, fight and heart, evra, heinze, vidic, neville. but i have no doubt ferdie will be no1 name on the teamsheet so it'll never happen when all fit
yeah was thinking that too,it won't happen though, unless Rio forgets something again!

[Fat Tom]

Rio is probably a better defender too has been playing very well lately.
Didn't put a foot wrong against Arsenal and got some good blocks in.

We Brown had a blinder as well but competition is what is needed and hopefully Vidic can add an extra bit to our squad.

Signing Evra and pushing O Shea into a midfield role wouldn't be a bad idea for now as I'd say none of Fergie's midfield targets look available.

Any more talk on Carrick? man of the match again last night.

[Lamps]

Rio is probably a better defender too has been playing very well lately.
Didn't put a foot wrong against Arsenal and got some good blocks in.


very nearly did a Rio though with one of his lazy short passes across the defence. he panicked and went to recover it en all.

the goal against bolton 2 days before was also down to him as his man flicked on from a long throw.

and remember he's playing well now!

[Rebelred]

Rio is probably a better defender too has been playing very well lately.
Didn't put a foot wrong against Arsenal and got some good blocks in.

We Brown had a blinder as well but competition is what is needed and hopefully Vidic can add an extra bit to our squad.

Signing Evra and pushing O Shea into a midfield role wouldn't be a bad idea for now as I'd say none of Fergie's midfield targets look available.

Any more talk on Carrick? man of the match again last night.
doubt very much that Spurs, in their current position,would be interested in selling Carrick.They're building a fine young squad,and at the moment,a champions league spot is certainly acheiveable for them.
Diarra will not be available until the summer,but he should really be our no.1 target then.Realistically,w e'll have to make do with what we have in midfield until the end of the season.Fletch n O'Shea did ok the other night,but against better central midfield pairings, like chelsea liverpool spurs and fulham(yes fulham),maybe man city,who we play next,these two would struggle, so its essential Scholes regains fitness and maintains his form.

Our defence hasn't been this strong since 99, although we do miss Heinzes presence greatly it has to be said.Interesting to see how Vidic gets on,he'll need time to settle,but right now I still see our best pairing as Ferdinand and Brown and Fergie shouldn't go messing too much with it

[Up For The Ba]

doubt very much that Spurs, in their current position,would be interested in selling Carrick.They're building a fine young squad,and at the moment,a champions league spot is certainly acheiveable for them.
Diarra will not be available until the summer,but he should really be our no.1 target then.Realistically,w e'll have to make do with what we have in midfield until the end of the season.Fletch n O'Shea did ok the other night,but against better central midfield pairings, like chelsea liverpool spurs and fulham(yes fulham),maybe man city,who we play next,these two would struggle, so its essential Scholes regains fitness and maintains his form.

Our defence hasn't been this strong since 99, although we do miss Heinzes presence greatly it has to be said.Interesting to see how Vidic gets on,he'll need time to settle,but right now I still see our best pairing as Ferdinand and Brown and Fergie shouldn't go messing too much with it

I`d agree with all that I must say.

[Langer Dan]

Rio is probably a better defender too has been playing very well lately.
Didn't put a foot wrong against Arsenal and got some good blocks in.

We Brown had a blinder as well but competition is what is needed and hopefully Vidic can add an extra bit to our squad.

Signing Evra and pushing O Shea into a midfield role wouldn't be a bad idea for now as I'd say none of Fergie's midfield targets look available.

Any more talk on Carrick? man of the match again last night.

Are you mad?
O'Shea is no sooner a midielder. He seriously struggled against Arsenal with pass after pass going astray. United are already struggling with one midfield passenger(smith/Fletcher).

The priority in the transfer window has to be acquiring a central midfielder but that doesn't look like happening at the mo'.

[Stephen-Ryan]

I have to say O'Shea isnt a great midfielder but he is one player at utd who I wouldnt sell as he is so versatile he can play in numerous positions and pull it off and hes good for a goal now and again. If he could regain the form he had two/three years ago it would be class.

[Che Mourinho]

What the hell are United doing signing 2 defenders, when it's probably the strongest part of the squad? The Heinze injury was bad luck, but when he's back Evra will probably just be a squad player. I'd say Brown will be pissed off with the Vidic signing. He's arguably been United's best central defender this season. The defence will be ridiculously strong now and players will have to leave - either Silvestre or Ferdinand. But who'll buy them?

Central Midfield has been a problem area for 3 years now and all United do is get rid of players there - Keane, Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Veron etc. and don't replace them - except with a defender (O' Shea) and striker (Smith).

Maybe Fergie is going to play 6 in defence???

[Rebelred]

The priority in the transfer window has to be acquiring a central midfielder but that doesn't look like happening at the mo'.
because no midfielders of the standard we need are available,simple.so why waste the whole of january trying to sign some fella who's not gonna come because he's still in the champions league,like Diarra for example.Sure,O'Shea' s no Bryan Robson by any stretch of the imagination,but he'll have to do at the moment as backup for scholes and smith.Our options are extremely limited

[Rebelred]

What the hell are United doing signing 2 defenders, when it's probably the strongest part of the squad? The Heinze injury was bad luck, but when he's back Evra will probably just be a squad player. I'd say Brown will be pissed off with the Vidic signing. He's arguably been United's best central defender this season. The defence will be ridiculously strong now and players will have to leave - either Silvestre or Ferdinand. But who'll buy them?

Central Midfield has been a problem area for 3 years now and all United do is get rid of players there - Keane, Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Veron etc. and don't replace them - except with a defender (O' Shea) and striker (Smith).

Maybe Fergie is going to play 6 in defence???
Brown has nothing to fear,except injury.Silvestre will be gone by next season I reckon.
The defence will be ridiculously strong, fantastic news, it's still a little vunerable at the moment.
A good world cup for the Boy Rio and who knows, Real might find 30 million lying around somewhere???

[Langer Dan]

because no midfielders of the standard we need are available,simple.so why waste the whole of january trying to sign some fella who's not gonna come because he's still in the champions league,like Diarra for example.Sure,O'Shea' s no Bryan Robson by any stretch of the imagination,but he'll have to do at the moment as backup for scholes and smith.Our options are extremely limited


This illustrates everything that is wrong with the club.
Smitha guy who cannot do the basics right (pass, tackle) is now considerd first team midield.

He wouldnt have even got a look in in the 94 or 99 side.

[Rebelred]

This illustrates everything that is wrong with the club.
Smitha guy who cannot do the basics right (pass, tackle) is now considerd first team midield.

He wouldnt have even got a look in in the 94 or 99 side.
well would you prefer a poor short term choice rushed through in january,or finding some quality in the summer.What are we playing for between now and May?2nd place,the worthless cup and perhaps the FA cup,there's no point buying substandard players to replace substandard players like smith and O'Shea at the moment,we'll have to wait until summer to sign a top midfielder.

[Rebelred]

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=350885&cpid=8&CLID=&lid=4161&title=FERGIE:+EVRA+T O+HAVE+MEDICAL&channel=skysports_ho me_page


Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has confirmed that he has won the race to sign Patrice Evra, with the Monaco full back due to undergo a medical on Monday.

The French defender becomes the second transfer window arrival at Old Trafford, following hot on the heels of Nemanja Vidic sealing his switch from Spartak Moscow.

A reported £4 million will be paid to Monaco after the player made it clear he wanted to leave the Principality outfit.

Ferguson revealed the news ahead of United's live Sky Sports 1 FA Cup third round trip to Burton Albion.

"The deal is done," said the United boss. "He will come in Monday.

"We have been looking at him for some time since Gabriel Heinze was injured in September."

Monaco are happy with the outcome of the negotiations.


"Everything went fine," said Monaco vice-president Gerard Brianti. "There is a real common desire to complete the deal.

"I am very optimistic.

"We are on the same wavelength and we will reach an agreement."

Internazionale were also determined to sign the 24-year-old, but his preference was to head for United, where he will fill in for long-term injury victim Heinze.

[Langer Dan]

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=350885&cpid=8&CLID=&lid=4161&title=FERGIE:+EVRA+T O+HAVE+MEDICAL&channel=skysports_ho me_page

well we've plenty of defensive options now at least.


If only we had a midfield.

[Up For The Ba]

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=350885&cpid=8&CLID=&lid=4161&title=FERGIE:+EVRA+T O+HAVE+MEDICAL&channel=skysports_ho me_page

Good news, he looks a really decent player.

[Langer Dan]

thats united dealings over for the remainder of the transfer window apparently.

Manchester United's transfer treasure chest will be slammed shut once £12million duo Nemanja Vidic and Patrice Evra have been welcomed into the Old Trafford fold this week.

Although Sir Alex Ferguson is still looking for a midfield replacement for departed skipper Roy Keane as he continues the process of building a new side to replace the one constructed around the famed 'Class of 92', it appears the Red Devils chief has decided to wait until the summer before making his move.

With both Michael Ballack and Thomas Gravesen ruled out on age grounds and no alternative candidate available at present, it is understood Ferguson will instead place his trust in the likes of Alan Smith and Darren Fletcher to provide support for Paul Scholes in the United engine room

So half of what Chelsea spent on SWP is our "war chest".

Plus the notion of Smith and Fletcher comprising an "engine room" really does bring forth the notion of a sinking ship

[STEVIEG]

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=620 83

[homer jay]

Plus the notion of Smith and Fletcher comprising an "engine room" really does bring forth the notion of a sinking ship

well its about time you got some perspective

[Fat Tom]

This illustrates everything that is wrong with the club.
Smitha guy who cannot do the basics right (pass, tackle) is now considerd first team midield.

He wouldnt have even got a look in in the 94 or 99 side.


He won't be first team Fletcher is well ahead of him in Fergie's books I think.
Fletcher will turn out to be a good player but if we wanna win leagues he should be more of a Nicky Butt good sub not first team regular.
But a player I would be confident of if needed to cover for someone.
I can't say the same for Smith - I have no confidence in him whatsoever.

[Fat Tom]

thats united dealings over for the remainder of the transfer window apparently.

Manchester United's transfer treasure chest will be slammed shut once £12million duo Nemanja Vidic and Patrice Evra have been welcomed into the Old Trafford fold this week.

Although Sir Alex Ferguson is still looking for a midfield replacement for departed skipper Roy Keane as he continues the process of building a new side to replace the one constructed around the famed 'Class of 92', it appears the Red Devils chief has decided to wait until the summer before making his move.

With both Michael Ballack and Thomas Gravesen ruled out on age grounds and no alternative candidate available at present, it is understood Ferguson will instead place his trust in the likes of Alan Smith and Darren Fletcher to provide support for Paul Scholes in the United engine room

So half of what Chelsea spent on SWP is our "war chest".

Plus the notion of Smith and Fletcher comprising an "engine room" really does bring forth the notion of a sinking ship

How will they?
Both won't start.
We are playing 4-4-2 now so there is only place for someone to partner Scholes unless he plays Fletcher on the right in which case he'd be slightly retarded as the kid plays all his best games in the middle.
He has excellent potential but I don't think he is ready for constant first team action.
At the same time while someone like Gravesen might be good enough now he certainly isn't the long term solution and Fergie has this player in mind already. So Fletcher and Scholes for what we have left to play for will just have to do.

Hopefully he'll strengthen the squad with two central midfield players in Summer. Stop playing Smith there. Get a starter and a good sub.

We also need a left or right midfielder in my opinion.
Someone who can spray a pass. Play Ronaldo on the other wing.
Wesley Sneijder/Jaoquin or someone like that.
You'd have Park and Giggs as back up then. Richardson for me I'm not so sure, very undecided. Rossi, Saha and Smith to come in up front.

Then You have Brown, Evra, Vidic, O Shea, Silvestre, Neville, Ferdinand, Heinze.

Cover for every position if we get one of two midfielders.
It's the only area we are lacking now.

[Rebelred]

Cover for every position if we get one of two midfielders.
It's the only area we are lacking now.
have been lacking that with a year or more.But I think what we have now will have to suffice until the summer when the right player is brought in hopefully.

[Fat Tom]

Players I think we need two starting midfielder to be honest.
Someone for left/right depending on where you play Ronaldo.
Keep Giggs and Park as challengers.

We really need someone who can put in super crosses and through balls a la Becks.

[Langer Dan]

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Last night Ferguson admitted he is still window shopping.

"It is possible we could have one more," he said. "We are looking at some things at the moment.

"But I am very happy with the two signings I have made. They give us great defensive cover and they are both really good players."

[Rebelred]

Players I think we need two starting midfielder to be honest.
Someone for left/right depending on where you play Ronaldo.
Keep Giggs and Park as challengers.

We really need someone who can put in super crosses and through balls a la Becks.
Park should be starting more games than he is

[Fat Tom]

Park should be starting more games than he is

Possibly but he is too light and Ronaldo is back in form.
To be honest I wouldn't start both of them on either flank unless we were lucking for a goal or playing a poorer side.
Both aren't strong enough defensively, Giggs tends to get more work in but I think at this stage we may need a better option on the left in terms of creative ability.
Someone to push Giggs more, even replace him.
He is playing well enough but to be honest I always felt we gelled better when we had diversity in our midfield.
Giggs and Ronaldo offer much of a muchness.
We need a Beckham type player who can unlock the defence with a cross or through ball not to mention a defensive midfield player

[Del]

Possibly but he is too light and Ronaldo is back in form.
To be honest I wouldn't start both of them on either flank unless we were lucking for a goal or playing a poorer side.
Both aren't strong enough defensively, Giggs tends to get more work in but I think at this stage we may need a better option on the left in terms of creative ability.
Someone to push Giggs more, even replace him.
He is playing well enough but to be honest I always felt we gelled better when we had diversity in our midfield.
Giggs and Ronaldo offer much of a muchness.
We need a Beckham type player who can unlock the defence with a cross or through ball not to mention a defensive midfield player

I disagree with your point about Giggs and Ronaldo, their play on different wiges so it doesn't matter if they are similar players.

The missing link is Bellion, the man is a great player and will come back to haunt Fergie, NOT!!!!!!!

[Langer Dan]

unless he plays Fletcher on the right in which case he'd be slightly retarded as the kid plays all his best games in the middle.

He has excellent potential
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me hole , on both counts.

Have you watched United this season?

Fletcher has been rubbish, his passing is inept , he is incapable of finding his own man or moving the ball forwards, he seems reluctant (or incapable) of tackling, his tracking back is woeful(he never gets a chalenge in) and the less said about his shooting , the better.

The guy is in NO way good enough, iv been listening to "potential"being bandied about for this langer for the last 2 seasons and the simple fact of the matter is he has not improved as a player for united and looks increasingly unlikely to do so.If Fletch was suddenly going to become top class he would have done it by now, Hes mid-table premiership quality at best.

If United have serious title ambition , they'd do well to ditch this donkey.

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Possibly but he is too light and Ronaldo is back in form.
To be honest I wouldn't start both of them on either flank unless we were lucking for a goal or playing a poorer side.
Both aren't strong enough defensively, Giggs tends to get more work in but I think at this stage we may need a better option on the left in terms of creative ability.
Someone to push Giggs more, even replace him.
He is playing well enough but to be honest I always felt we gelled better when we had diversity in our midfield.
Giggs and Ronaldo offer much of a muchness.
We need a Beckham type player who can unlock the defence with a cross or through ball not to mention a defensive midfield player

Ha!

[Langer Dan]

Ha!

sure this fella thinks Fletch is the new Bryan Robson

[Fat Tom]

me hole , on both counts.

Have you watched United this season?

Fletcher has been rubbish, his passing is inept , he is incapable of finding his own man or moving the ball forwards, he seems reluctant (or incapable) of tackling, his tracking back is woeful(he never gets a chalenge in) and the less said about his shooting , the better.

The guy is in NO way good enough, iv been listening to "potential"being bandied about for this langer for the last 2 seasons and the simple fact of the matter is he has not improved as a player for united and looks increasingly unlikely to do so.If Fletch was suddenly going to become top class he would have done it by now, Hes mid-table premiership quality at best.

If United have serious title ambition , they'd do well to ditch this donkey.

As I said he has potential.
I said he is not good enough to start if we wanna win title but is well able as a sub unlike Smith who simply isn't good enough.

Did you watch the Blackburn game?
Arsenal game?

Both excellent solid performances, with regard his distribution watch the Blackburn game again and get back to me.

[Fat Tom]

sure this fella thinks Fletch is the new Bryan Robson

Where did I say that you retard.
Potential.
Not good enough to start - well capable cover.

[Fat Tom]

Ha!

He had another decent outing on Wednesday night and is far better than he was earlier in the season.
He looks to be regaining confidence.

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He had another decent outing on Wednesday night and is far better than he was earlier in the season.
He looks to be regaining confidence.

To be fair to plastic Ronaldo, I didn't see the game on Wednesday. He was wojious until before the Arsenal game. Scored two games before then gave as bad a performance as you could have the misfortune to behold against Arsenal.

[Langer Dan]

As I said he has potential.
I said he is not good enough to start if we wanna win title but is well able as a sub unlike Smith who simply isn't good enough.

Did you watch the Blackburn game?
Arsenal game?

Both excellent solid performances, with regard his distribution watch the Blackburn game again and get back to me.

you're some tit,
he sprayed ball after ball straight to Arsenal, didnt get in a single decent challenge and had absolutley no meaningful attack in the entire 90 minutes.

What do you call potential after 2 and a half years?

Fucking useless, thats what.

dope.

[Fat Tom]

you're some tit,
he sprayed ball after ball straight to Arsenal, didnt get in a single decent challenge and had absolutley no meaningful attack in the entire 90 minutes.

What do you call potential after 2 and a half years?

Fucking useless, thats what.

dope.

Man of the Match.
Did you watch the game on Wednesday night?

[Langer Dan]

Man of the Match.
Did you watch the game on Wednesday night?


not in a fucking fit.

Plus motm in a nill all sonoozathon isnt exactly a badge of merit.

I didnt see the game weds night, by all accounts he was shite, heard Steven Reid (FFS) took him to the cleaners.

look im not getting into a slagging match.
Iv reserved judgement on the guy , but after watching woeful after woeful display this season iv lost ptience with him.
Ithink hes a donkey who has no future at utd, hes simply not good enough as a fringe player or other wise,

hes the new kilbane, slow , cant pass, tackle, shoot.

You seem to rate him, fine.

[Fat Tom]

not in a fucking fit.

Plus motm in a nill all sonoozathon isnt exactly a badge of merit.

I didnt see the game weds night, by all accounts he was shite, heard Steven Reid (FFS) took him to the cleaners.

look im not getting into a slagging match.
Iv reserved judgement on the guy , but after watching woeful after woeful display this season iv lost ptience with him.
Ithink hes a donkey who has no future at utd, hes simply not good enough as a fringe player or other wise,

hes the new kilbane, slow , cant pass, tackle, shoot.

You seem to rate him, fine.

You heard a Liverpool supporter mention one Reid Tackle.
Reid was only came on as a sub so how the fuck did he take him to the cleaners.
You didn't see the game - he gave an excellent performance.

Reid took him to the cleaners - MOCKERY.

Your opinion is fair enough but I disagree.
He won the man of the match award against Arsenal - in a 0-0 draw fair enough nothing special but at same time he can't have played that bad to get it now could he.

[Langer Dan]

You heard a Liverpool supporter mention one Reid Tackle.
Reid was only came on as a sub so how the fuck did he take him to the cleaners.
You didn't see the game - he gave an excellent performance.

Reid took him to the cleaners - MOCKERY.

Your opinion is fair enough but I disagree.
He won the man of the match award against Arsenal - in a 0-0 draw fair enough nothing special but at same time he can't have played that bad to get it now could he.

em yes.

those things are completely arbitrary and matter not a fuck

[Fat Tom]

Yes but generally players don't win man of the match without playing some bit decent.
Did you watch that game or are you going on Liverpool supporters views here too?
He had an excellent game against Arsenal FFS.

Credit where its due, I don't think he is the solution but give the man some credit he has been playing well of late.

[Langer Dan]

Yes but generally players don't win man of the match without playing some bit decent.
Did you watch that game or are you going on Liverpool supporters views here too?He had an excellent game against Arsenal FFS.

Credit where its due, I don't think he is the solution but give the man some credit he has been playing well of late.

Gway ya gowl, I said i hadnt seen the blackburn game, I saw the Arsenal game and he was muck.

Im afraid you don't know your arse from your elbow if you think Fletch is a decent player.

Playing well??

Christ what planet are you on?

[Fat Tom]

Man of the Match.
He couldn't have played muck now could he to get it.

Planet actually watching Manchester United games I'd say.

Get off the stage you gowl - you said you heard Reid took him to the cleaners when in actual fact you most likely read Sound/Philby post about Reid knocking him off the ball once yet continued to show your lack of knowledge by stating that he took him to the cleaners without ever having seen the game.

You didn't see the game - he gave an excellent performance.
You mightn't like him as a player but credit where it is due FFS.

[Fat Tom]

Gway ya gowl, I said i hadnt seen the blackburn game, I saw the Arsenal game and he was muck.

Im afraid you don't know your arse from your elbow if you think Fletch is a decent player.

Playing well??

Christ what planet are you on?

Have you actually watched any of United's recent games?
Or are you too busy booking into the United Hotel in Wilton

[Langer Dan]

Man of the Match.
He couldn't have played muck now could he to get it.

Planet actually watching Manchester United games I'd say.

Get off the stage you gowl - you said you heard Reid took him to the cleaners when in actual fact you most likely read Sound/Philby post about Reid knocking him off the ball once yet continued to show your lack of knowledge by stating that he took him to the cleaners without ever having seen the game.

You didn't see the game - he gave an excellent performance.
You mightn't like him as a player but credit where it is due FFS.

there ya go fucko, change your record, as for MOTM.

dont make me laugh , they're as arbitrary as they come,
As for the blackburn
I stated I hadnt seen it , in answer to your first question yet you keep harping on about and I stressed I only heard about it, what a fucking moron.

G'way and blow Fletcher ya sad cunt,
Are the blinkers ya use on him the same ones you save for the Kerry football team?

What a cunt.

[Fat Tom]

amazing how you heard it, your sources must be shit.
Reid only came on you moron.
Get off the stage.
You read a post on another thread.

Yet you fail to see the point about MOM.
I didn't say he deserved, they're as pointless as they come - but the player who gets it doesn't play shit in general now does he you fucking spastic.

[Langer Dan]

Man of the Match.
He couldn't have played muck now could he to get it

.


Yet you fail to see the point about MOM.
they're as pointless as they come - .

way to contradict yourself,

now go drool in the corner , theres a good boy.

[Fat Tom]

You are as retarded as they come.
DO YOU WANT ME TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU FORUM IDIOT OF THE YEAR?

Man of the match awards are pointless but to get one you must have played reasonably well.
You said he was muck.
Which he obviously wasn't if he got man of the match.

The merits of the argument are in relation to whether Fletcher played well not the relative importance and justification of man of the match awards.

[Langer Dan]

i refer you to my last post, you clearly state he cant have plAyed badly to recieve the MOTM yet suddenly the MOTM is in your own words "pointless".

Thus contradiciting your earlier point.

If anyone deserves to be called a retard my dimwitted chum,
tis yourself.

[Fat Tom]

Jesus Christ you truly are Forum Idiot of the year.
"I direct you to my previous post" which made no sense toward the argument says he in the jesters hat.

Again - the award in itself is pointless in the sense that they are valueless and often the most worthy participant does not receive the award.
We Brown should have got it against Arsenal.

However to even be in the reckoning for the award you must have played reasonably well. Therefore I feel it justifiably proves my point that he did in fact play well against Arsenal.

Is that simplistic enough for you you fucking idiot.
Listen go on away there and book your hotel with the bedroom next to Rooney will ya and while you are at it stick to the Rugby.

Sure apparentely Soccer is Freddie Ljunberg Advertising Underwear for Calvin Klein according to you anyway.

He had a very good game against Arsenal - but sure you probably didn't even watch it ya gowl.

[Langer Dan]

Jesus Christ you truly are Forum Idiot of the year.
"I direct you to my previous post" which made no sense toward the argument says he in the jesters hat.

Again - the award in itself is pointless in the sense that they are valueless and often the most worthy participant does not receive the award.
We Brown should have got it against Arsenal.

However to even be in the reckoning for the award you must have played reasonably well. Therefore I feel it justifiably proves my point that he did in fact play well against Arsenal.

Is that simplistic enough for you you fucking idiot.
Listen go on away there and book your hotel with the bedroom next to Rooney will ya and while you are at it stick to the Rugby.

Sure apparentely Soccer is Freddie Ljunberg Advertising Underwear for Calvin Klein according to you anyway.

He had a very good game against Arsenal - but sure you probably didn't even watch it ya gowl.


can you hear that whirring , whining sound??




















































thats the sound of your wheels spinning.
Muppet.

[POL]

fucjing hell, I had not realised the extent of Fitzy schizophrenia

[Fat Tom]

can you hear that whirring , whining sound??

















































thats the sound of your wheels spinning.
Muppet.

Poor boy, very poor.
Don't give up the day job.
Obviously when you can't make reference to a previous post and its points it shows you know when you are defeated.
Fair play.
FORUM IDIOT OF THE YEAR

Did Niall Fitz get an All Star this year?
Did you book a room in the United Hotel for the Cup Final?
How are things in Wilton by the way?

Get off the stage you fucking clown.

[Langer Dan]

Poor boy, very poor.
Don't give up the day job.
Obviously when you can't make reference to a previous post and its points it shows you know when you are defeated.
Fair play.
FORUM IDIOT OF THE YEAR

Did Niall Fitz get an All Star this year?
Did you book a room in the United Hotel for the Cup Final?
How are things in Wilton by the way?

Get off the stage you fucking clown.

yeah because if you keep repeating yourself thats bound to make your point correct?

you openly contradicted yourself and now you're namecalling.

what a child.

[Fat Tom]

I explained what you deemed contradictions and you came back with a post totally off the point as usual.

You truly are the FORUM IDIOT OF THE YEAR.
Fair play to you.

Go away there and ring your best buddy Niall Fitz and ask him about the merits of Donal Ogs All Star claim this year and while you're at it see can he get you a room for the Cup Final next year in the United Hotel.

[Paddy Wagon]

Fcuk this crap like im off to another site ye two girls can squabble away all day about Fletcher... Thats two threads up in smoke The Graveson one & this
Cheers Lads......

[ho chi feen]

ZZZZzzzzzzzZZZzzzZZZ zZZzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz zzzz

[Rebelred]

Never Argue With An Idiot. He'll Drag You Down To His Level And Then Beat You With Experience

[ho chi feen]

Never Argue With An Idiot. He'll Drag You Down To His Level And Then Beat You With Experience


How does this apply when both parties are clearly idiots?

[Rebelred]

How does this apply when both parties are clearly idiots?
lets just leave them both at it,eventually,both will require nappy changes and feeding and all this will end(we hope)

[Langer Dan]

Never Argue With An Idiot. He'll Drag You Down To His Level And Then Beat You With Experience

got any original thoughts?

[Paddy Wagon]

wum

[Rebelred]

got any original thoughts?
Fergies waiting for the world cup so he can buy the new "kleberson" afterwards

[dancefreak2003]

Manchester United have identified AC Milan midfielder Rino Gattuso as the man they want to replace Roy Keane.

The Old Trafford side have been woefully lacking in quality midfield players since Keane's Old Trafford contract was terminated last November.

And while he's since moved on to pastures new at Celtic, Sir Alex Ferguson's side are coming off an embarrassing 3-1 derby defeat by neighbours City.

Now The Daily Mirror claim United believe Gattuso is the perfect man to fill Keane's boots in the engine room in M16.

Gattuso himself has admitted it would be a "dream" to play for United, and was targeted by Ferguson last summer.

He did have a spell in Britain with Rangers during the 1990s, but has really blossomed at the San Siro in recent years, and is expected to be key to Italy's World Cup hopes in Germany this summer.

United chief executive David Gill has been spotted in Milan several times in recent weeks, increasing the belief that a formal move for the player is now likely.

If a bid does come, Gill and United will be told that Gattuso is available if the Old Trafford club can match Milan's £5million valuation.

A Milan source said: "Gattuso is a player that club considers is saleable this summer. The feeling is that it is the time for changes."

However, Milan chief Adriano Galliani has dismissed the suggestions, saying: "Gattuso at Manchester? It's pure market fantasy."

And Gattuso himself recently said that he would be happy to see out his career with Milan.

If United miss out on Gattuso, they may well move for Lyon's Mahamadou Diarra. His agent Frederic Guerra said: "Mahamadou is the best defensive midfielder in Europe."

Diarra himself has already confirmed that he is hoping for a move to the Premiership next season, and Chelsea are touted as potential suitors.

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Is he too old though...not really building for the future. Still for 5 million it's a bargain.

[ho chi feen]

Still for 5 million it's a bargain.


Yes!

[Langer Dan]

Manchester United have identified AC Milan midfielder Rino Gattuso as the man they want to replace Roy Keane.

The Old Trafford side have been woefully lacking in quality midfield players since Keane's Old Trafford contract was terminated last November.

And while he's since moved on to pastures new at Celtic, Sir Alex Ferguson's side are coming off an embarrassing 3-1 derby defeat by neighbours City.

Now The Daily Mirror claim United believe Gattuso is the perfect man to fill Keane's boots in the engine room in M16.

.


idle speculation.

[Out da Lough Like]

If United miss out on Gattuso, they may well move for Lyon's Mahamadou Diarra. His agent Frederic Guerra said: "Mahamadou is the best defensive midfielder in Europe."
Diarra himself has already confirmed that he is hoping for a move to the Premiership next season, and Chelsea are touted as potential suitors.




Quick!


Buy him!!

[STEVIEG]

This gattuso thing has been brushed off by Milan
United are more likely to be looking at Diarra plus A.N.Other

[Up For The Ba]

This gattuso thing has been brushed off by Milan
United are more likely to be looking at Diarra plus A.N.Other

They`ll have to compete with quite a few clubs for Diarra i`d say. Not sure if there`s much behind the Gattuso speculation......... wouldnt mind if there was though, he`s 29, still a good couple of years left in him.

[STEVIEG]

They`ll have to compete with quite a few clubs for Diarra i`d say. Not sure if there`s much behind the Gattuso speculation......... wouldnt mind if there was though, he`s 29, still a good couple of years left in him.


Yeah i like the player i think he's even younger than that!

[dotty]

They`ll have to compete with quite a few clubs for Diarra i`d say. Not sure if there`s much behind the Gattuso speculation......... wouldnt mind if there was though, he`s 29, still a good couple of years left in him.

ideally would like to see both at OT,diarra the future,gattuso the present,think diarra would benefit from ginos experience

[dotty]

Yeah i like the player i think he's even younger than that!

27,28 in sept (DOB: 1/9/78 )

[Fat Tom]

Can't see Gatusso leaving Milan and he'd deffo command more than 5 million.
Would be a super signing though.

[Rebelred]

Watching the match last night i began to wonder if Fergie would play Rio in the middle in a bigger game?Far fetched I know,but if Vidic is any good,and Browns form continues,it might be an experiment worth trying, nothing ventured,nothing gained etc

[dotty]

Watching the match last night i began to wonder if Fergie would play Rio in the middle in a bigger game?Far fetched I know,but if Vidic is any good,and Browns form continues,it might be an experiment worth trying, nothing ventured,nothing gained etc

cant see it RR,if he wanted to experiemnt with the idea he should have given rio more than the last 15/20 mins,twas only burton albion after all!

[STEVIEG]

Watching the match last night i began to wonder if Fergie would play Rio in the middle in a bigger game?Far fetched I know,but if Vidic is any good,and Browns form continues,it might be an experiment worth trying, nothing ventured,nothing gained etc


I was thinking the same
Doubt vidic is fit enough for Sunday but i could see the Rio in midfield thing being tried, but Sunday is prob not the place to try it
He can't be as bad a midfielder as O Shea
Having said that i was even thinking Rossi could play Scholes's role in the long run too he's got a good brain for the game

[Fat Tom]

Or Rooney could with Rossi up top.
Ferdinand is too lazy and indisciplined to play the midfield role me thinks.
Can't imagine him bursting around the place like Keane.
He was doing really well centre back until city so hopefully he'll continue that form (pre city) until the season ends.

[dotty]

I was thinking the same
Doubt vidic is fit enough for Sunday but i could see the Rio in midfield thing being tried, but Sunday is prob not the place to try it
He can't be as bad a midfielder as O Shea
Having said that i was even thinking Rossi could play Scholes's role in the long run too he's got a good brain for the game

just thinking there not sure how happy rio would be to be deployed in a midfield role,is already under pressure to be one of svens two starting centre backs for germany,could do without being played out of position.

[Del]

Why would he want to leave Milan for United?

[dancefreak2003]

Or Rooney could with Rossi up top.
Ferdinand is too lazy and indisciplined to play the midfield role me thinks.
Can't imagine him bursting around the place like Keane.
He was doing really well centre back until city so hopefully he'll continue that form (pre city) until the season ends.


Putting Rooney into the midfield yould be a mistake IMO leave him where he is at his best. Up front.

[dancefreak2003]

From F365


CHELSKI TO PAY BIG FOR OBI WAN
Meanwhile, away from real estate dealing, Chelski may well be forced to cough up £10m to ManYoo after their alleged hijacking of the John Obi Mikel deal, according to the Daily Mail. A court in Norway last week upheld a FIFA ruling that fully recognised ManYoo's contract with Mikel, and the deal with Lyn Oslo that should have seen Mikel move to Old Trafford this month. While Sir Fergie has apparently resigned himself to losing the young Nigerian to Stamford Bridge, ManYoo are well within their rights to demand a hefty transfer fee...

[Fat Tom]

Putting Rooney into the midfield yould be a mistake IMO leave him where he is at his best. Up front.

Errah it was only an off the cuff suggestion.
I'm hoping Rossi will eventually take over from Scholes.
If only he could tackle like him!

[Langer Dan]

Errah it was only an off the cuff suggestion.
I'm hoping Rossi will eventually take over from Scholes.
If only he could tackle like him!


Tune into this thread for more updates on Fat Tom's love of Paul Scholes' Tackle!

[STEVIEG]

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=355973&CPID=8&clid=&lid=2&title=Gill+targets+m idfield+quality

Repeated what he said a few weeks ago
At least they know where they have to strenghten anyway

[Rebelred]

Daily Mail talking about a bid for Nolan in the summer...




Nolan and Diarra, as good as it gets?

[Philby]

Massive Liverpool fan is Nolan, he'd find it tough to make the leap to Old Trafford I feel (and it wouldn't do Gary Neville's blood pressure any good)

[STEVIEG]

Massive Liverpool fan is Nolan, he'd find it tough to make the leap to Old Trafford I feel (and it wouldn't do Gary Neville's blood pressure any good)

I doubt that would matter that much Jamie Carragher grew up an Everton fan and he is as commited as anyone to Liverpools cause can't believe Nolan is so young

[Rebelred]

Massive Liverpool fan is Nolan, he'd find it tough to make the leap to Old Trafford I feel (and it wouldn't do Gary Neville's blood pressure any good)
never bothered Stevie Gerrard...

http://www.4thegame.com/media/00/02/58/gerrard_everton.jpg

and Garys coping well with one scouser in the set up,a second couldn't upset him too much;)

[Paddy Wagon]

never bothered Stevie Gerrard...

http://www.4thegame.com/media/00/02/58/gerrard_everton.jpg



Class...

[Langer Dan]

wouldnt mind seeing Nolan playing for United,

Whats the betting Chelski jump in with a £25 million deal?

[Paddy Wagon]

wouldnt mind seeing Nolan playing for United,

Whats the betting Chelski jump in with a £25 million deal?

Ya and sell him to Newcastle or Spurs a year later for a 1/4 of what they originally paid....

[Fat Tom]

never bothered Stevie Gerrard...


Or Carragher and Fowler

Here's the latest Gossip from SkySports.com

Reports emanating from Italy continue to suggest that Manchester United are monitoring the progress of Salvatore Foti.

Manchester United and Chelsea were both cited as suitors when the Italy Under-17 international made a move from Acireale to Sampdoria this season.

Foti elected to stay in Italy when the time came to step-up a level from Acireale but it has been suggested that United are still keen - with some sources even claiming a possible €11 million bid has been considered.

However, for the moment at least, it seems the gifted Italian starlet has no intention of quitting his homeland in order to taste life in The Premiership.

"I owe a lot to coach Walter Novellino,'' Foti told Corriere dello Sport.

''He launched me in the big league and I thank him for what he did. Once I enter the pitch, I try to give my best to repay his faith.

"Why did I choose Sampdoria? It has been really simple because they are a really big side. My wish was to stay in Italy and to earn a little space in the first team.

''I knew I would have this possibility with the Blucerchiati jersey. I can say I made the right choice.

''I don't know if there is a real interest of Under-21 coach Claudio Gentile but, should a call-up arrive, it would be really great.

''But now I think to do good things with Sampdoria

[STEVIEG]

There might be a new face around soon!

with The smile of Ronaldinho


The sexual prowess of Junio Iglesias



The, oh fuck it, here goes

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4757786.stm

[Fat Tom]

Class.
Legend in 99.

[dotty]

shame post 99,could have been a legend.

[STEVIEG]

shame post 99,could have been a legend.

Ended up going more for the 69's from then on in......

[Fat Tom]

Ended up going more for the 69's from then on in......

more like 69999!!!!!!

[Paddy Wagon]

shame post 99,could have been a legend.
I wouldnt be complaining if I were him he's enjoyed himself and Im sure he has a couple of bob lying around for when he retires....

[Sir Denis Eton-Hogg]

Motern Gamst Pedersen & Kevin Nolan would be useful additions as would Pavel Nedved.
Time to break the bank and get proven experienced professionals.

[Fat Tom]

Motern Gamst Pedersen & Kevin Nolan would be useful additions as would Pavel Nedved.
Time to break the bank and get proven experienced professionals.
Nedved is too old.

Pedersen and Nolan would be good but neither would be more than squad players at a top club.

We need higher calibre players.

[dotty]

Nedved is too old.

Pedersen and Nolan would be good but neither would be more than squad players at a top club.

We need higher calibre players.

yeah,pedersen might be worth a look though,nedved is past it.

[Rebelred]

Nedved is too old.

Pedersen and Nolan would be good but neither would be more than squad players at a top club.

We need higher calibre players.
Think Nolan could easily play at a higher level.Pedersen has improved immensly since Sparky took over at Blackburn too,just because he's not playing with a big european club doesnt mean he shouldn't be looked at

[Sir Denis Eton-Hogg]

Might be a good idea to wait until after the World Cup anyway.

[Rebelred]

Might be a good idea to wait until after the World Cup anyway.
indeed, the next Kleberson may be under our noses and we may not even realise it.Or the next El Hadji Diouf if you're a pool fan

[dotty]

Might be a good idea to wait until after the World Cup anyway.

dunno about that,you could end up paying an inflated price if a player has a good WC.

[Fat Tom]

Think Nolan could easily play at a higher level.Pedersen has improved immensly since Sparky took over at Blackburn too,just because he's not playing with a big european club doesnt mean he shouldn't be looked at

Agree and I'd like to see both players at the club but we need someone of higher class to plug the major gap.

[Sound]

Pedersen would walk into a left wing spot in any top 4 team bar Chelsea.

[Fat Tom]

Pedersen would walk into a left wing spot in any top 4 team bar Chelsea.

giggs has been playing well for us out there.
but Pedersen's youth would give him an advantage - bar the goals I haven't analysed him enough to judge his full potential.

[Langer Dan]

Motern Gamst Pedersen & Kevin Nolan would be useful additions as would Pavel Nedved.
Time to break the bank and get proven experienced professionals.

agree on Nolan and Pederson, look two of the most promising midfielders in the premiership.

Nedved is too old.

[Fat Tom]

Manchester United are reportedly ready to launch a summer raid for Lille star Jean Makoun as they bid to resolve their midfield problems.

The Red Devils have been linked with a number of targets after failing to fill the void left by Roy Keane's departure, and Makoun has stated that his representatives have already met with the English giants regarding a summer transfer.

The 22-year-old recently starred in the African Cup of Nations for Cameroon and caught the eye of Sir Alex Ferguson in the two UEFA Champions League fixtures between the two sides earlier in the season.

Now Makoun says that he fully expects United to make a bid in the summer.

"I know that United are interested in me," Makoun is quoted as saying in The News of the World.

"They sent a scout to our game against Monaco last week, my agents have met United.

"Apparently they want to sign me for next season.

"There is no concrete offer for Lille but I know United will make one at the end of the season."

The Red Devils are also believed to be keen on Lyon star Mahamadou Diarra, St Etienne's Didier Zokora and Deportivo's Aldo Duscher, and yet another candidate has emerged in the form of Makoun's Lille team-mate Mathieu Bodmer.

The 23-year-old signed a new contract in December to ward off interest from Arsenal, but the player has revealed the new deal has a buy-out clause which could be attractive to United.

"I've a clause in my contract that allows me to go if a club offers £5.5 million," said Bodmer.

skysports.com

[Langer Dan]

Manchester United are reportedly ready to launch a summer raid for Lille star Jean Makoun as they bid to resolve their midfield problems.



the new Djemba Djemba?

[Fat Tom]

the new Djemba Djemba?

DJ DJ X 4 I reckon with the two Lille boys.
Dunno, Diarra is the man but if they are looking for around the same as Essien they are dreaming I reckon.
Zakora is supposed to be good too, but outside Diarra I haven't seen enough of these guys.

[dotty]

united will end up with more midfielders (pre january!) than spurs if they are to pay even a few of the midfielders they are linked with over the last few months,agree with ya tom that diarra is the only one who i would like to see at OT,the others are a bit of a unknown quantity,still worried we could end up with another eric djemba who i think sealed his move to united on the back of a good African Nations.

[Rebelred]

united will end up with more midfielders (pre january!) than spurs if they are to pay even a few of the midfielders they are linked with over the last few months,agree with ya tom that diarra is the only one who i would like to see at OT,the others are a bit of a unknown quantity,still worried we could end up with another eric djemba who i think sealed his move to united on the back of a good African Nations.
my own first preference would be Diarra,second would be Mascherano

[dotty]

my own first preference would be Diarra,second would be Mascherano

yep agreed.

[Sound]

I'd love to know where ye have seen all this footage of Mascherano to be so sure about him.

[Fat Tom]

I'd love to know where ye have seen all this footage of Mascherano to be so sure about him.

football manager 2006!

they had Ronnie with Gremio as best player in game in 2000.
they know everything.

[Sound]

Tommy Svindal Larsson for the Pool so! 25 goals from the left wing.

Allegedy.

Electronically.

[dotty]

I'd love to know where ye have seen all this footage of Mascherano to be so sure about him.

initally at the olympics in athens where he was part of the gold medal winning argentine team and have since been keeping an eye on him,he made his full international debut before his first team debut with River Plate.apparently arsenal made an offer for him last year,will definitely move to europe this year,price is dependent on his performances in germany.

[Fat Tom]

Tommy Svindal Larsson for the Pool so! 25 goals from the left wing.

Allegedy.

Electronically.

No see you have to buy them when Footie (previously Championship) manager show them as great or else they go become the players they were supposed to be.

[Sound]

No see you have to buy them when Footie (previously Championship) manager show them as great or else they go become the players they were supposed to be.

I like your ideas, can I subscribe to your newsletter?

[FL4ZGN]

Get a load of this langer.

PSV Eindhoven striker Arouna Kone has a desire to play for Manchester United in the future.

The Ivory Coast attacker would like to follow the path trod by Jaap Stam, Ruud van Nistelrooy and Park Ji-sung despite agreeing a deal with the Eredivisie side until 2010.

After being on loan from Roda JC, the option has been taken up to make the move a permanent one - which will formally happen on April 1.

With ten goals in 16 games for PSV, the African attacker is looking well worth the €9 million (£6.16 million) fee.

"It's my intention to play two more seasons at PSV and then make a move to Manchester United, my dream club," Kone told De Telegraaf.

"After three seasons, I hope to play another three years for Milan.

"Of course, I know that's very difficult.

"But impossible it isn't."

Choosing PSV as his destination seemed natural to a player who seems to have everything mapped out in his mind.

"For me, it was important that several players left the club for United," he added.

"Stam, van Nistelrooy, Park.

"The football, the shirt, the stadium.

"As a child, I was already loving Manchester United."

Source: Sky Sports

[Fat Tom]

I like your ideas, can I subscribe to your newsletter?

What you have to do is when the next one comes out browse for the super stars through unreal addiction and then get on the phone to Rafa.

You'll be part of the scouting network in no time.

A deal for Cesar Delgado from CRuz Azul is imminent.

[Fat Tom]

Manchester United are among several European sides keeping a close eye on Cagliari striker David Suazo, according to reports in the Italian press.

The Honduras striker's magnificent goalscoring record has helped lift his side up the table and prompted interest from some of Europe's big clubs.

He has scored 17 goals for the struggling Sardinian outfit this season, which amounts to half of the team's overall tally in the league.

That total has taken him to joint-fourth in the Serie A top goalscorers list behind Fiorentina's Luca Toni, Juventus's David Trezeguet and Milan's Andrei Shevchenko.

The player is contracted to Cagliari until 2009 and, with Spartak Moscow and other Italian sides rumoured to be interested, president Massimo Cellino would be unlikely to let him go for less than €12.5 million.

For now though, the side will need Suazo to remain focused on their fight for survival in Serie A.

The Sardinians are currently fourth from bottom, two points ahead of Messina, and the relegation zone.

And they have five tough games before safety is secured, starting at home to Juventus on Saturday and finishing against Internazionale in the last game of the season.

skysports.com

[Fat Tom]

Lyon have warned Manchester United that they will have to exceed the £24.5 million Chelsea paid for Michael Essien if they want to land Mahamadou Diarra.

The Mali midfielder is believed to be Sir Alex Ferguson's top target this summer, with the United manager making a personal check on the player in the UEFA Champions League tie in Milan last week.

Diarra scored an away goal against last season's finalists but two late goals torpedoed the French champions' hopes of progressing in the competition.

Although reports in Spain claim United have already agreed a deal with Lyon, with Real Madrid being urged to match that offer before a deadline of this Sunday, the Ligue 1 leaders claim they want to hang onto their powerful performer.

Marca have reported that a deal would already be done to take Diarra to Old Trafford, but for the African's preference to head for Madrid, even though he has previously expressed a desire to play in The Premiership.

"There will be no revolution," Lyon chairman Jean-Michel Aulas told But.

"We want to keep that squad and improve it, where it is possible.

"Diarra will be with us next season, even if a good deal is still possible.

"But people have to know he will be more expensive than Essien."

skysports.com

[Fat Tom]

Sir Alex Ferguson was in the crowd as Paris Saint Germain beat Lille in the Coupe de France, as speculation mounts as to his summer transfer targets may be.

The Scottish tactician has been reassured that money will be made available to bring in fresh faces in the close-season and it has been suggested France could be where he chooses to use the Glazers' millions.

United have in the past bought from France with mixed success, as the likes of Gabriel Heinze, Patrice Evra and Eric Djemba-Djemba have all been plucked from Ligue 1 in recent years.

Lyon's midfield powerhouse Mahamadou Diarra has been strongly linked with a move to Old Trafford but Ferguson's appearance at Parc des Princes is sure to raise eyebrows further.

Lille midfielder Jean Makoun has previously been cited as a target, with the young Cameroon international having stated he was confident that United would bid for his services in the summer.

Likewise, PSG forward Bonaventure Kalou has also been linked and the 27-year-old Ivory Coast international could well have impressed having scored his side's first goal in a 2-1 success.

skysports.com

[Rebelred]

interesting,Paris in spring Fergie! pity its not for the CL final though.I always worry about buying african midfielders playing in france, djumbo djumbo just brings back too many painful memories

[Fat Tom]

interesting,Paris in spring Fergie! pity its not for the CL final though.I always worry about buying african midfielders playing in france, djumbo djumbo just brings back too many painful memories

Diarra is top drawer though.
The Lille fella gives me the jitters all right.

[Rebelred]

Diarra is top drawer though.
The Lille fella gives me the jitters all right.
Diarra is 25 million though, n we aint got 25 million

[Sound]

Lyon have warned Manchester United that they will have to exceed the £24.5 million Chelsea paid for Michael Essien if they want to land Mahamadou Diarra.

The Mali midfielder is believed to be Sir Alex Ferguson's top target this summer, with the United manager making a personal check on the player in the UEFA Champions League tie in Milan last week.

Diarra scored an away goal against last season's finalists but two late goals torpedoed the French champions' hopes of progressing in the competition.

Although reports in Spain claim United have already agreed a deal with Lyon, with Real Madrid being urged to match that offer before a deadline of this Sunday, the Ligue 1 leaders claim they want to hang onto their powerful performer.

Marca have reported that a deal would already be done to take Diarra to Old Trafford, but for the African's preference to head for Madrid, even though he has previously expressed a desire to play in The Premiership.

"There will be no revolution," Lyon chairman Jean-Michel Aulas told But.

"We want to keep that squad and improve it, where it is possible.

"Diarra will be with us next season, even if a good deal is still possible.

"But people have to know he will be more expensive than Essien."

skysports.com

Yer man Aulas seems to be a very canny operator. He fleeced Chelsea for Essien and he wont be letting Diarra go cheap either. All this without selling the real jewel in their crown- not bad.

[Rebelred]

Yer man Aulas seems to be a very canny operator. He fleeced Chelsea for Essien and he wont be letting Diarra go cheap either. All this without selling the real jewel in their crown- not bad.
if they can hang onto Diarra in the summer,and Malouda and Juninho,plus make some good buys at the back, then they'll be back stronger again next year! They're in a position where they do not need to sell their top names,as they have plenty cash at their disposal

[Fat Tom]

Diarra is 25 million though, n we aint got 25 million

Silvestre could be part of the deal.
Fergie will have around that figure this Summer I think.
20 anyway for sure.

[Fat Tom]

Yer man Aulas seems to be a very canny operator. He fleeced Chelsea for Essien and he wont be letting Diarra go cheap either. All this without selling the real jewel in their crown- not bad.

Yeah.
Fair operator.

[Rebelred]

Silvestre could be part of the deal.
Fergie will have around that figure this Summer I think.
20 anyway for sure.
spending it all on one player would be a big mistake.We need 2 if not 3 midfielders this summer.Diarra at 25 million would not represent good value.Essien is not worth 24 million,if it was any other club besides chelsea who bought him,the price would have been somewhere around 8 million tops.Lyon were not in a rush to sell and held chelsea to ransom.They can do the same with Diarra, but I would not pay over 10 million for him

[Out da Lough Like]

spending it all on one player would be a big mistake.We need 2 if not 3 midfielders this summer.Diarra at 25 million would not represent good value.Essien is not worth 24 million,if it was any other club besides chelsea who bought him,the price would have been somewhere around 8 million tops.Lyon were not in a rush to sell and held chelsea to ransom.They can do the same with Diarra, but I would not pay over 10 million for him


Olympique won't sell for less then €25 Mil. They don't need to, not with the money they got for Essien.

And at that money he's over priced. Riquelme looks like costing less.

[Fat Tom]

spending it all on one player would be a big mistake.We need 2 if not 3 midfielders this summer.Diarra at 25 million would not represent good value.Essien is not worth 24 million,if it was any other club besides chelsea who bought him,the price would have been somewhere around 8 million tops.Lyon were not in a rush to sell and held chelsea to ransom.They can do the same with Diarra, but I would not pay over 10 million for him

I'd pay 15 for him.(deffo not the prices they have been quoting I agree).
I think we need two midfield players not 3.
O Shea has been a revelation in the defensive role and he will provide able cover there next season for the signing we bring in.
We have Park to Cover Ronaldo.
Scholes and Giggs to play the central role.
If Scholes starts Giggs can play out left and Park and Richardson can fill in here too.
I might look at brining in a left sided player all right.
To widen our options.
And I haven't lost hope in Fletcher providing decent cover either.
But not starting on a regular basis.

[dancefreak2003]

I'd pay 15 for him.(deffo not the prices they have been quoting I agree).
I think we need two midfield players not 3.
O Shea has been a revelation in the defensive role and he will provide able cover there next season for the signing we bring in.
We have Park to Cover Ronaldo.
Scholes and Giggs to play the central role.
If Scholes starts Giggs can play out left and Park and Richardson can fill in here too.
I might look at brining in a left sided player all right.
To widen our options.
And I haven't lost hope in Fletcher providing decent cover either.
But not starting on a regular basis.


In fairness Fletcher has less potential than Ronnie Wallwork...The sooner he's shipped out to a team continously fight against relegation the better.

[Up For The Ba]

Olympique won't sell for less then €25 Mil. They don't need to, not with the money they got for Essien.

And at that money he's over priced. Riquelme looks like costing less.

United have to be looking at signing somebody in both the mould of Riquelme and Diarra though. Chelsea could have fucked everything up nicely though with the Essien transfer last year. We`ll just have to see what happens.

[Langer Dan]

Olympique won't sell for less then €25 Mil. They don't need to, not with the money they got for Essien.

And at that money he's over priced. Riquelme looks like costing less.

Riquelme would be some signing alright.

I cant see Fergie splashing out 25mill on Diarra, Lyon are dreaming if they think they're gonna get that sorta cash. Chelsea are the only side willing to pay that much over the odds,Essien isnt worth a third of the fee they paid for him, he's the poor mans Makelele.

Clubs will wait for Diarra's contract to expire rather than pay crazy money.

[Fat Tom]

I agree.
Essien was a good signing.
No where near 30 million though.
On CL Form think 15 would have been more accurate.
And no mention of a massive fee for Juninho (fair enough he is pushing 30).
Riquelme reminds me a lot of Veron the way he plays.
Not sure if he would suit the Premiership style.
At the same time he is a class act.
But I'd have my doubts over his abilities in the English game.

[pepe_le_pooh]

Riquelme would be some signing alright.

I thought Riquelme was a bit selfish with the ball in the CL 1/4 final v Inter the other week. He's good, but a bit greedy.

[Rebelred]

I thought Riquelme was a bit selfish with the ball in the CL 1/4 final v Inter the other week. He's good, but a bit greedy.
thats mainly due to the fact that Villarreal allow him to be.He is their main man, they set up their whole team to allow him to play ball.

[ho chi feen]

Riquelme would be some signing alright.

Not sure about that. He's some player alright, and would do wonders for us in the CL, but how would he fare in the Premiership with his lack of pace? It just brings back too many bad memories of an certain Argie who was a big hit on the continent...

[FL4ZGN]

Not sure about that. He's some player alright, and would do wonders for us in the CL, but how would he fare in the Premiership with his lack of pace? It just brings back too many bad memories of an certain Argie who was a big hit on the continent...


Paul Scholes is back in training and should be fit for the South Africa tour in the summer.

We dont need Riquelme.

On another note the wizzard was at the PSG game the other night watching a few midfield players.

[Out da Lough Like]

Not sure about that. He's some player alright, and would do wonders for us in the CL, but how would he fare in the Premiership with his lack of pace? It just brings back too many bad memories of an certain Argie who was a big hit on the continent...

Heinze?


;)




















(NB for the benefit of Fat Tom, I know Ho Chi means Veron, and by the way the bus is leaving)

[Lamps]

Heinze?


;)




















(NB for the benefit of Fat Tom, I know Ho Chi means Veron, and by the way the bus is leaving)


no dice, Nimic

[Fat Tom]

Heinze?


;)




















(NB for the benefit of Fat Tom, I know Ho Chi means Veron, and by the way the bus is leaving)

No amount of retarded smiley faces and stupid humour is gonna get you off the hook Nimic

[pepe_le_pooh]

thats mainly due to the fact that Villarreal allow him to be.He is their main man, they set up their whole team to allow him to play ball.
Yeah, maybe. But if that's the case, shouldn't it be easy for opposition defenses to neutralise their entire attacking threat by just man-marking him out of the game. For example, for the CL 1/2 final, Arsene might tell some one like Gilberto to just climb into his shorts for 90 minutes. It might be negative, but it would release Fabregas & the rest to get on with playing football.

[homer jay]

Yeah, maybe. But if that's the case, shouldn't it be easy for opposition defenses to neutralise their entire attacking threat by just man-marking him out of the game. For example, for the CL 1/2 final, Arsene might tell some one like Gilberto to just climb into his shorts for 90 minutes. It might be negative, but it would release Fabregas & the rest to get on with playing football.

sol might get jealous :shock: :shock:

[Langer Dan]

Not sure about that. He's some player alright, and would do wonders for us in the CL, but how would he fare in the Premiership with his lack of pace? It just brings back too many bad memories of an certain Argie who was a big hit on the continent...

I dunno, class transcends footballing borders. He'll manage.

The whole problem with Veron was they should have built the side around him and not played him out of position to accomodate Roy, but thats a different story.

[ho chi feen]

No amount of retarded smiley faces and stupid humour is gonna get you off the hook Nimic

What's this Nimic lark about?

[ho chi feen]

Yeah, maybe. But if that's the case, shouldn't it be easy for opposition defenses to neutralise their entire attacking threat by just man-marking him out of the game. For example, for the CL 1/2 final, Arsene might tell some one like Gilberto to just climb into his shorts for 90 minutes. It might be negative, but it would release Fabregas & the rest to get on with playing football.

Which could also open up space in the midfield to attack Arsenal through...

[STEVIEG]

ODLL called Vidic "Nimic"
I suspect it was on purpose but the "Sports forum intelligensia" seized on it and as you can only imagine there was carnage........
Who says the internet is boring!

[ho chi feen]

ODLL called Vidic "Nimic"
I suspect it was on purpose but the "Sports forum intelligensia" seized on it and as you can only imagine there was carnage........
Who says the internet is boring!

Faux Fitzy or not Faux Fitzy, that is the question!

[STEVIEG]

There's something rotten with da state of this forum

[Out da Lough Like]

No amount of retarded smiley faces and stupid humour is gonna get you off the hook Nimic

As if............

Heh heh heh




:)

[Sound]

Gamt Pedersen to Utd apparently.

That would be a good, if very surprising, signing.

[ho chi feen]

Gamt Pedersen to Utd apparently.

That would be a good, if very surprising, signing.

It's been mooted for the last few months in the red-tops. Would be very happy if there's any truth in it.

[Loftydog]

ODLL called Vidic "Nimic"
I suspect it was on purpose but the "Sports forum intelligensia" seized on it and as you can only imagine there was carnage........
Who says the internet is boring!

Sports forum intelligensia....he he he

[Sound]

It's been mooted for the last few months in the red-tops. Would be very happy if there's any truth in it.

True but it doesn't really address the pressing issue of central midfield.

[Rebelred]

bellion gone for good (http://www.irishexaminer.co m/breaking/story.asp?j=14770164 0&p=y477xzzzx&n=147702249)

thank god for that

[STEVIEG]

Lets just call it a bad summer
most of the crud from that year have been moved on by now (phew)

[Lamps]

Lets just call it a bad summer
most of the crud from that year have been moved on by now (phew)

only 'nimic' and evra left

[STEVIEG]

Yes, you are obviously watching a lot of United at the moment
(stick to what you know, whatever that may be)

[Lamps]

Yes, you are obviously watching a lot of United at the moment
(stick to what you know, whatever that may be)

from the bits i've seen i deduce that
evra, who can't even get a game when their regular left back is out for the season, is going to flop.
'nimic' is in and out of the side, and had a shocker yesterday. seems to lack composure.
both to be gone within two years

remember where you read it first

[STEVIEG]

from the bits i've seen i deduce that
evra, who can't even get a game when their regular left back is out for the season, is going to flop.
'nimic' is in and out of the side, and had a shocker yesterday. seems to lack composure.
both to be gone within two years

remember where you read it first


Yes and you ignored the excellent performance of Vidic against Arsenal
Joe Cole, Hernan Crespo, damien duff et al are in and out of the Chelsea side, it doesn't mean they are shit
Its called rotation
oh yeah, and well done and congrats to Shammy, your team deserved the title over the whole season and played really well when it mattered

[Sound]

Vidic needs some time to settle IMO. He has put in some good performances and some awful ones. His positioning is dodgy but he is a very solid tackler and a decent passer. Give him time.

[Lamps]

Yes and you ignored the excellent performance of Vidic against Arsenal
Joe Cole, Hernan Crespo, damien duff et al are in and out of the Chelsea side, it doesn't mean they are shit
Its called rotation
oh yeah, and well done and congrats to Shammy, your team deserved the title over the whole season and played really well when it mattered

Chelsea's impending title win will always be tarnished by the shadow of Roman's wallet. at least if they were winning it some graciousness or playing attractive football it would offset this to a degree. it think jose is beginning to realise that his legacy will be tainted and egomaniac that he is, seems to be trying to act less like a maggot in the last couple of weeks. the press battle this week should say a lot because he really dislikes liverpool

[Lamps]

Vidic needs some time to settle IMO. He has put in some good performances and some awful ones. His positioning is dodgy but he is a very solid tackler and a decent passer. Give him time.

what about evra, did he cost something like 7 million and can't hold down the LB spot even when henize is out injured?

[the puerto rican feen]

Chelsea's impending title win will always be tarnished by the shadow of Roman's wallet

I don't think the title is tarnished by the shadow of Roman's wallet, before Roman it was the size of the Blackburn or Manchester United PLC or Arsenal Wallet. The concept was the same, but the wallets were a little smaller.

[Lamps]

I don't think the title is tarnished by the shadow of Roman's wallet, before Roman it was the size of the Blackburn or Manchester United PLC or Arsenal Wallet. The concept was the same, but the wallets were a little smaller.

Blackburn yes, but United and especially for Arsenal no.

Spurs, Liverpool and Newcastle spent at least on a par with arsenal and probably more.

[ho chi feen]

True but it doesn't really address the pressing issue of central midfield.

True, but it does address another key area, that of Giggs' succesor. Although the need for two central midfielders is a more immediate concern.

[Langer Dan]

True, but it does address another key area, that of Giggs' succesor. Although the need for two central midfielders is a more immediate concern.

Gamst Pedereson?

Aaron Lennon?

[Out da Lough Like]

Yes and you ignored the excellent performance of Vidic against Arsenal
Joe Cole, Hernan Crespo, damien duff et al are in and out of the Chelsea side, it doesn't mean they are shit
Its called rotation
oh yeah, and well done and congrats to Shammy, your team deserved the title over the whole season and played really well when it mattered


The only thing about my man Nimic ;) is that he needs to learn the difference between his own penalty area and the opposition penalty area.

In other words, head the ball downwards when receiving a corner in the oppositions penalty area and head it out when in your own penalty area and defending a corner.



:)

[ho chi feen]

Gamst Pedereson?

Aaron Lennon?

I've been impressed by Gamst Pedersen. He looks like he could be the real deal in a couple of years time. Haven't seen enough of Lennon, but given that he's young and English, he could well be overhyped.

[STEVIEG]

I've been impressed by Gamst Pedersen. He looks like he could be the real deal in a couple of years time. Haven't seen enough of Lennon, but given that he's young and English, he could well be overhyped.


Agree on both accounts

[homer jay]

.Sir Alex Ferguson is hoping to strengthen his midfield following the departure of Roy Keane to Celtic earlier this season and feels Riquelme and Duscher can help fill the void left by his influential skipper.

Riquelme has been watched by Ferguson all season and has helped Villarreal reach the last four of the Champions League after they qualified through the group stages at United's expense.

The classy playmaker is believed to be keen on a move to England and feels United would be a good club to join.

He told The Daily Express: "I follow English football a lot on television. I have a clear idea of what the Premier League is like, it is very strong and United have a team crammed full of stars."

Duscher - who was strongly linked with a move to West Ham during the January transfer window - will be allowed to leave Deportivo La Coruna at the end of the season and looks to be heading for Old Trafford too.

He told the Express. "In these last few days I have been speaking with the president and the definite price is £8million. The club (Deportivo La Coruna) need money and I have no problem moving to England."

The Spanish press is reporting that United have already lodged an £8million bid for Riquelme, while Duscher is already famous in England for breaking David Beckham's metatarsal back in April 2002.

[Up For The Ba]

I`d settle for that, throw in Gamst Pedersen too and the squad would be very well balanced.

[Sound]

Some good looking prospective signings there alright. Riquelme is slow as a house though and it remains to be seen how he'd enjoy the Bolton's of the world.

[Rebelred]

Ruud rumours are resurfacing

From the Mirror:

Van Nistelrooy's Manchester United future was plunged into doubt last night when Real Madrid claimed they had been offered the striker for next season.

As Real football director Benito Flores announced he had advised the Spanish giants to sign Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard, Madrid sources alleged that Van Nistelrooy has decided to end his Old Trafford career.

The Dutchman has been unhappy at being forced to play second fiddle to Louis Saha since February. And while he insists he wants to extend his stay at United, Madrid's claims will add fuel to the rumours suggesting he is set to leave.

The claims about Van Nistelrooy came as the influential Flores, brought into the club in December to replace fellow Italian Arrigo Sacchi as Madrid's transfer guru, signalled an all-out assault for Gerrard in the summer, along with Inter Milan's want a way Brazilian Adriano. Flores said:

"I have recommended to President Fernando Martin the highest priority is the signing of a powerful central striker, and Adriano is my choice.

"We also need a midfielder of that elite class, in case Zinedine Zidane leaves. Gerrard is the player I have included in that list."

Flores' public statement about Gerrard will infuriate Liverpool who have had to fend off the Madrid giants, as well as Chelsea, for the past two summer. Liverpool will not be interested in selling whatever the bid - but a move for Van Nistelrooy could be successful.

One insider said: "Real were told that Van Nistelrooy has analysed what has gone on over the last few months and decided it is time to leave. Of course he is a player that interests Real, but only at the right price. The fact is that he is 30 in July and has suffered from knee injuries.”

[Langer Dan]

Ruud rumours are resurfacing

From the Mirror:

Van Nistelrooy's Manchester United future was plunged into doubt last night when Real Madrid claimed they had been offered the striker for next season.

As Real football director Benito Flores announced he had advised the Spanish giants to sign Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard, Madrid sources alleged that Van Nistelrooy has decided to end his Old Trafford career.

The Dutchman has been unhappy at being forced to play second fiddle to Louis Saha since February. And while he insists he wants to extend his stay at United, Madrid's claims will add fuel to the rumours suggesting he is set to leave.

The claims about Van Nistelrooy came as the influential Flores, brought into the club in December to replace fellow Italian Arrigo Sacchi as Madrid's transfer guru, signalled an all-out assault for Gerrard in the summer, along with Inter Milan's want a way Brazilian Adriano. Flores said:

"I have recommended to President Fernando Martin the highest priority is the signing of a powerful central striker, and Adriano is my choice.

"We also need a midfielder of that elite class, in case Zinedine Zidane leaves. Gerrard is the player I have included in that list."

Flores' public statement about Gerrard will infuriate Liverpool who have had to fend off the Madrid giants, as well as Chelsea, for the past two summer. Liverpool will not be interested in selling whatever the bid - but a move for Van Nistelrooy could be successful.

One insider said: "Real were told that Van Nistelrooy has analysed what has gone on over the last few months and decided it is time to leave. Of course he is a player that interests Real, but only at the right price. The fact is that he is 30 in July and has suffered from knee injuries.”

earra htese surface every season plus come on! the mirror?

[Out da Lough Like]

earra htese surface every season plus come on! the mirror?


Agents are like Max Clifford nowadays, they will manufacture a story even if there isn't one, if only to bump up their own comissions. And as soccer in the UK has become the new rock and roll, then the tabloid/chat forums/talkshows/ consumers need their daily fix of "gossip" so that they can "demonstrate their intellectual prowess" to their peers. This "sports" forum is the embodiment of that theory.

:)

[Sound]

Agents are like Max Clifford nowadays, they will manufacture a story even if there isn't one, if only to bump up their own comissions. And as soccer in the UK has become the new rock and roll, then the tabloid/chat forums/talkshows/ consumers need their daily fix of "gossip" so that they can "demonstrate their intellectual prowess" to their peers. This "sports" forum is the embodiment of that theory.

:)

Very true. I was in Newcastle two weeks ago and the place was full of drunk people falling out of franchise bars 'hilariously' repeating sayings they saw on Soccer AM.

[Rebelred]

Happy Turin Day everyone

[ho chi feen]

Happy Turin Day everyone

Eh?

[Rebelred]

Eh?
think back 7 years

[ho chi feen]

think back 7 years


:D

[devvy devverson]

when it comes to real.....there is only one reliable source and most of the tabloids use it too....... LA MARCA
even if u dont understand spanish it should be fairly obvious what they are trying to say

[dancefreak2003]

Manchester United are close to agreeing a £6million deal for young Brazilian sensation Kerlon Moura Souza.

The Reds are desperate to boost their squad in a bid to challenge Chelsea for the Premiership title next season.

And they see the Cruzeiro attacking starlet as the perfect man to add star quality to their ranks.

Kerlon is a player full of tricks, with his favourite the rather impressive trick of running with the ball as if it was attached to his forehead.

According to The Times, a United delegation flew to South America this week to meet officials from the club.

And they're hopeful of signing the man dubbed "the new Ronaldinho" in the next few days.

United have also inquired about signing Edu Dracena, the 24-year-old Cruzeiro captain and central defender.

"We are always ready to listen to offers for Kerlon," Zezé Perrella, the Cruzeiro vice-president, told the broadsheet.

"We have had a lot of interest in him and we have been in close contact with an English team, but right now we are not there on the money."

Kerlon is understood to have caught the eye of United boss Sir Alex Ferguson while playing for Brazil in the South American Under-17 Championship in Venezuela last year.

[STEVIEG]

Good to hear it kiddo

Cristiano Ronaldo has underlined his desire to remain at Manchester United.

Valencia have been reported to be eyeing a move for the flamboyant Portuguese international in recent months but Ronaldo sees his future at Old Trafford.

The former Sporting Lisbon star admits the interest in him is flattering but he is focused solely on helping to equip United to make a renewed tilt at honours next season.

"It's very important to me to be a Manchester United player," Ronaldo told the Sun.

"It [the speculation] is a sign that people appreciate my work and like me.

"I believe I'm going to improve even more, win titles and help my club achieve its aims."

While Ronaldo has been used in a wing role in his Old Trafford career to date, the 21-year-old admits he would relish being pushed even further forward.

"I play regularly on the left wing and the right wing but the position I prefer is a free role up front, like a second striker," he added.

"At Manchester I haven't had the chance to play in this position yet because there are a lot of players who do a great job there."

[Steven]

buddy reckons torres has signed for utd already

[STEVIEG]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5074706.stm


The "Kaiser" might regret shooting his mouth off last year during the Ballack saga about United being a step down from Munich now
As the top players desert the German league like flies this could still be a mutually satisfying move if Fergie does want to sell Ruud

[STEVIEG]

More speculation from the papers today

Manchester United were on the brink of signing England midfielder Michael Carrick last night after submitting an improved offer of £15m to Tottenham. (Daily Telegraph)

United and Arsenal may have moved a step closer to signing France midfielder Franck Ribery after Marseille declared he would not be sold to Lyon. (The Guardian)

United striker Ruud van Nistelrooy is ready to kick off next season at Old Trafford after making his peace with manager Sir Alex Ferguson. (Daily Star)

[FL4ZGN]

Manchester United could be poised to add a second Portuguese midfielder to their squad after reportedly moving for Benfica’s Armando Petit.

He has reportedly claimed to have received an approach from United, who already have Petit’s international team-mate Cristiano Ronaldo in their squad.

Petit, 29, is with Portugal at the World Cup and played in their opening game against Angola.
Petit said: “Yes it is true. I have received an offer from Manchester United.”

United boss Alex Ferguson is attempting to strengthen his midfield and Tottenham confirmed last week they had turned down an offer from Old Trafford for England midfielder Michael Carrick.

Lyon midfielder Mahamadou Diarra is another reported target.

[Paddy Wagon]

At 29 he's probably a bit too old for Fergie...

[STEVIEG]

That's what i was thinking too but its been widely reported and I reckon fergie looks at his experience as a good thing-plus the fact that at 5 million he is about 10 million cheaper than some of the other targets
Him plus one or two more mightn't be the worst option

[Paddy Wagon]

Ya he's a good price but to be honest Im not his biggest fan Id much prefer to see Carrick, Mascherano, or Diarra come in........

[STEVIEG]

True (and if they are on about cut prices) Zikora was said to be Spurs target for a potential Carrick replacement at only a few million
It would be ironic if United paid a lot more for a player who Spurs replaced cheaper with a potentially better one!
I still like Carrick though and think he would be suitable

[STEVIEG]

Ronaldo confirms that he is deciding future after world cup

If he goes United should get a really big fee considering his age, his popularity with chicks and record in major tournaments

Whether the team will be better without him is another point that has been made but we'll see what happens soon enough!

Never a dull moment at United

[west cork rebel]

Think Ronaldo will go now, seeing as his growing unpopularity with English fans, and Wayne Rooney.

[MonTheHoops]

Ronaldo confirms that he is deciding future after world cup

If he goes United should get a really big fee considering his age, his popularity with chicks and record in major tournaments

Whether the team will be better without him is another point that has been made but we'll see what happens soon enough!

Never a dull moment at United

If he leaves, and with Ruud having a petted lip, who will replace them?

[Jim Comic]

Whether the team will be better without him is another point that has been made but we'll see what happens soon enough!



for me he doesn't provide half enough end product for the amount of possession he gets, i think utd can get someone more productive if they do sell him.

[STEVIEG]

The fact that he has wound up Engerlund is being seen as a largely positive thing amongst the United support!

In repsonse to one Engerlund fan complaining bout him on a UWS message board this morn on United fan wrote
"he's nearly worth keeping to piss of you lot"

[singular]

from manutd.com

Ronaldo Denies Rooney Rift

Cristiano Ronaldo has brushed off the suggestion he tried to get Wayne Rooney sent off during England's World Cup quarter final defeat to Portugal on penalties.

Rooney shown a straight red in the 62nd minute of a tense clash in Gelsenkirchen for a stamp on Ricardo Carvalho.

After the incident Ronaldo ran over to demand the referee take action. Rooney subsequently pushed Ronaldo away, believing his United team-mate to be attempting to get him sent off.

However, Ronaldo insists that wasn't the case and is adamant he and Rooney are “friends”.

"The English press say the referee gave a red card because I spoke [to him], but this is not true,” he said after the match.

"I said 'ref this is foul' but I did not say 'red card' because Wayne is my friend and I play at the same team as him."

Departing England boss Sven-Goran Eriksson urged the English press not to be too hard on Rooney following his dismissal.

"I think that you, much more than me, need Wayne Rooney," he said. "He's the golden boy of English football, so don't kill him.

"If he did it with intention or not, leave it - you need him for the qualification games and to win Euro 2008. I have no hard feelings."

A FIFA disciplinary panel will meet to decide what punishment Rooney will receive for the sending off. He will miss the start of England's Euro 2008 qualifying campaign, which starts in August under new national boss Steve McClaren.

[west cork rebel]

the one thing about Ronaldo is that Like Giggs he is good on the ball, can skip past defenders, but he does not pass! if he were to pass half the time he would race up the assists charts.

[Jim Comic]

the one thing about Ronaldo is that Like Giggs he is good on the ball, can skip past defenders, but he does not pass! if he were to pass half the time he would race up the assists charts.


my point precisely.


it's all well and good doing step-overs. flicks, etc but if you end up not creating anything then there's no point to it

[west cork rebel]

my point precisely.


it's all well and good doing step-overs. flicks, etc but if you end up not creating anything then there's no point to it

did so much of that in the Chelsea game near the end of the season

[Rebelred]

Ronaldo confirms that he is deciding future after world cup

If he goes United should get a really big fee considering his age, his popularity with chicks and record in major tournaments

Whether the team will be better without him is another point that has been made but we'll see what happens soon enough!

Never a dull moment at United
it'll be a bit of a blow to fergie if we lose both ruud and ronaldo this summer. I think ronaldos mind may already be made up however.

[Langer Dan]

He looked agreat prospect when United signed him. Hes failed to live upto expectations though.The constant pissing about, the failure to take the sensible option, the failure to deliver quality crossses from good positions,not turning up in europe.

theyd be as well to show him the door, hed fit in great at Madrid ,one more misfit in the madhouse.

[Langer Dan]

MANYOO'S NEW TARGET
Manchester United are favourites to sign Giles Barnes from Derby, beating off competition from Newcastle, Liverpool and Everton.

The youngster, who will net Derby an estimated £2m, was one of a number of players brought through to first-team level after spending time in the youth team under the outgoing Terry Westley.

And he has reportedly caught the eye of Sir Fergie, whose ManYoo side had serious problems with lack of squad depth in midfield last season.



hoooo-ray.

[St_Cyrill_of_Tyrrenhaes]

Ronaldo's going nowhere. You read it here first.

[MonTheHoops]

http://home.skysports.com/worldcup/article.aspx?hlid=40 0279&CPID=4&clid=359&lid=4161&title=Ronaldo+clears +the+air

[FL4ZGN]

MARCELLO LIPPI is being lined up to join Alex Ferguson at Manchester United.

Italy boss Lippi has told friends he will quit after Sunday’s World Cup final.

He is now being linked with a role alongside Old Trafford chief Fergie. And that could see him eventually succeed the Scot.

Fergie is a long-standing friend and huge admirer of the former Juventus manager.

He once said of the Italian: “Just looking into his eyes is enough to tell you he’s in command of himself and his professional domain.”

Ferguson, 64, is expected to relinquish the reins after 20 years in charge at the end of the coming season. Italian sources believe Lippi, 58, could either work in tandem with the United supremo or under him — with Fergie promoted to general manager.

A source close to Lippi said: “He is not looking for a lucrative contract since he has achieved success at the highest level. And working abroad is the only thing that interests him.

“He will not find it diminishing to work either alongside or under another manager.”

[FL4ZGN]

ITALY World Cup star Rino Gattuso could soon be on his way to Manchester United.

But the deal will only happen this summer if AC Milan are relegated in the massive Italian match-fixing scandal.

Intermediaries for United and the player have met in Germany — but so far his Milan club have been left out.

Midfielder Gattuso, 28, has been looking for an excuse to join United.

He is on record as saying: "It is my dream to play for Manchester United and I have had this dream for a long time."

And a well-placed Italian source revealed: "Let’s just say that all parties except Milan are being kept informed and are waiting for the end of the tournament and the trial with interest."


I would love to see us sign him up.

[Langer Dan]

C'MON Italian match fixing trial!

[FL4ZGN]

I have said it all along that Gattuso never gets the credit he deserves. He is exactly what we need in midfield right now.

[Langer Dan]

hes an ox alright.Would do a good job alright.

Juve's lawyers statement today seems to indicagte that they've already conceded that dropping down a division is likely. If milan and Lazio follow suit it could spell good news for United.

Cant see Chelsea not getting involved though.

[FL4ZGN]

Milan have said that they have nothing to answer for and will clear themselves on monday.

Still we should have signed Gattuso two years ago when Keane was coming towards the end.
Alright he may be lacking trying to cut out the killer pass going forward but if he does for us exaclty what he been doing for Milan for the past two seasons then we are in luck.
He is also a player who you can say will definately perform in the premiership, unlike a few of the cannisters we have brought in recently.

Only last week he ran to the sideline and grabbed Lippi by the throat after Italy had scored. An absolute head the ball who will take no nonense.

Fergie Fergie sign him up.

[Langer Dan]

earra Fergie will probably sign a promising 22 year old from Zaire instead.

[west cork rebel]

Lippi could also be on his way to Manchester United, as an aide to Fergie then maybe replace him in next few years.

[Philby]

Lippi could also be on his way to Manchester United, as an aide to Fergie then maybe replace him in next few years.

An "aide"?? To be honest I think Lippi could command far better jobs in world football than being Fergie's henchman.

Personally I hope they give the job to queer-oz, I've huge confidence that he can continue united's gradual fall from grace.

[STEVIEG]

An "aide"?? To be honest I think Lippi could command far better jobs in world football than being Fergie's henchman.

Personally I hope they give the job to queer-oz, I've huge confidence that he can continue united's gradual fall from grace.


Yup, next year they might even come third

[homer jay]

Yup, next year they might even come third

thats a big 'might' stevie

[STEVIEG]

I'll be hoping for better



Anyway, the Lippi story has been dismissed by the club

[homer jay]

I'll be hoping for better



Anyway, the Lippi story has been dismissed by the club

well god loves a trier. the club would deny it until it became official, but the whole 'joint management' thing doesn't work. its just a way of helping some old demented fool on his way ;)

[STEVIEG]

Still the best man for the job yeah don't see the logic of having someone so old coming in anyway

[Philby]

And when Ronaldo does leave the MU Rowdies, Lord Ferg will replace him with Borussia Dortmund's flip-hot Turkish winger, Nuri Sahin, 17. The fee quoted is £6m, although Ferg will hope to barter it up to about £12m - The Fiver

Anyone know anything about Sahin? Can't see fergie replacing Ronaldo with another kid to be honest - I reckon he'll go for a bit of experience esp. considering that the midfield will need a big overhaul in the summer

[STEVIEG]

Supposed to be good but he's 17 (as you say)
There's alot of wheeling dealing to be done yet this summer

[Paddy Wagon]

I heard West Brom accepted a €4 mill bid for Kuscyak (spelling) any truth to this, the fella that told me is a Sun reader....

[storysham]

I heard West Brom accepted a €4 mill bid for Kuscyak (spelling) any truth to this, the fella that told me is a Sun reader....

Read that on sporting life last night. **edit

they changed it.

West Brom have moved quickly to deny fresh newspaper reports that Manchester United are on the verge of signing goalkeeper Tomasz Kuszczak.

An imminent £4million deal for the Poland international had been suggested, but the club deny any deal has been struck between the sides.

"The reports in the newspapers are pure speculation," a club spokesman told said. "The situation hasn't really moved since the manager's comments last Friday."

Boss Bryan Robson had earlier made it clear that no offer had been made, saying: "Manchester United do have an interest but that's as far as it's gone. If they make us a big offer then we would have to balance it up."

[FL4ZGN]

Only two signings so far this summer was the addition of two further members of the glazier family.

[Paddy Wagon]

Only two signings so far this summer was the addition of two further members of the glazier family.
One of em is supposed to be a dead ball expert...

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

How many times is fergie going to get burned by foreign prospects who ultimately fail to deliver in the premiership?

For every ronaldo and Japp Stam there is a forlan and william Prunier.

Although, united were never known for their transfer dealings,(peter davernport anyone?)
The current era of crap foreign signings seemed to start wth Jordi Cruff and Karel Poborsky back in 96, since then we have had Blomquist, kleeberson, fortune, veron, Forlan and a few others i am probably missing.
Fair enough fergie has made some good foreign buys since 96 in Van Nistelrooy, Solskjaer,Ronny Johnsen and ronaldo but surely fergie must look to the premiership to strengthen his squad.

How much would it take to bring Kevin Nolan to Old Trafford? After Gerrard and Lampard, Nolan was probably the best attacking midfielder in the premiership. The perfect man to replace Scholes , even scholes has said that himself.

If you believe the rumor mill, then Damien Duff is on his way out of stamford bridge this summer. Money talks for damien ultimatley i reckon, still if he can stay injury free then he would be a great replacement for giggs on the left.

Do ye agree that fergie should buy from the premiership or take another gamble on foreigners who will struggle to adjust to the phsyical english game?
Who else from the permiership , realistically do you think Man U should sign?

[St_Cyrill_of_Tyrrenhaes]

Fair enough fergie has made some good foreign buys since 96 in Van Nistelrooy, Solskjaer,Ronny Johnsen and ronaldo but surely fergie must look to the premiership to strengthen his squad.

He also made probably the best foreign buy ever:

http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/9083/2roykeane5ni.jpg

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

Did he buy him after 96?

Is he really considered a foreigner?

[St_Cyrill_of_Tyrrenhaes]

Did he buy him after 96?

No, obviously.

Is he really considered a foreigner?

Is Roy Keane British?

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

Jesus, here we go.

The gist of my ramblings was that fergie hasn't be too sucessful with the oul foreigners after 96, with the exceptions noted. Yes Fergie bought Roy, but how does that tie in with the bit of my text you quoted.

Yes Roy Keane is british, he has a union jack tatooed on his arse and enjoys cricket immensely.