Could Ruud Leave?

[Diego Murphy]

There seem to be rumours going around about Van de Man leaving. the word is that he's grown distant from the players with all the time he was out injured and that things aren't looking too rosy. I think it's a situation that is on a knife edge at the moment. Is all this talk about needing to sell players to bring in money a build up to a big transfer? There's been a lot of speculation about who united could sell to bring in money and the likes of Kleberson and Bellion have been mentioned. But realistically they wouldn't bring in enough money to change the squad in any significant way.
I suppose United could be thinking that he's pushing 29 and now's the last chance to get a serious amount of cash for him. But if they did sell him they'd have to bring in a decent replacement. But who? Torres, Adriano? Or maybe go for someone like Tevez or Robinho who wouldnt cost as much and would leave money to spend on other players.

[MonTheHoops]

I think they should cash in on him. He's obviously unhappy. who knows though whether he's just slightly miffed or really pissed off. I think Utd would do well out of selling him. Isn't Robinho gone to Madrid?

[Rolo Feen]

I think they should cash in on him. He's obviously unhappy. who knows though whether he's just slightly miffed or really pissed off. I think Utd would do well out of selling him. Isn't Robinho gone to Madrid?
no, that is what people thought, but robinho himself came out this week saying that he hasnt been in talks with anyone though there has been contact.
he said he isnt moving to Real and nothing has been arranged or looks like it will at the moment.

he also said his career is in the hands of God, and said he'd be more than happy to play in brazil all his career.
so looks like he's not so off limits as everyone,even I thought....

[storysham]

Reported we'd only get 12 million for him.

[storysham]

ye dont need him.

Not when we have bellion anyway.

[Langer Dan]

It'd be a disaster for United if Ruud left, an absolute disaster. It's just the Sun Printing idle speculation founded on rumours "a source said" me hole!. Ruud's injury proved how toothless we are upfront without him, If United hope to win the league next year then Van Nistlerooy must stay.

Besides the figures being bandied around are ludicrous, £12mill?? United couldn't hope to sign a forward of Ruud's quality for that money, so all this transfer talk is just thAT...........TALK

[Captain Planet]

i rate ruud as a tap in queen but still i think utd should hang onto him. He hasnt shown the killer instinct as much probably due to injury but he'd want to perform next season or else he will be on his way out

[Rebelred]

It'd be a disaster for United if Ruud left, an absolute disaster. It's just the Sun Printing idle speculation founded on rumours "a source said" me hole!. Ruud's injury proved how toothless we are upfront without him, If United hope to win the league next year then Van Nistlerooy must stay.

Besides the figures being bandied around are ludicrous, £12mill?? United couldn't hope to sign a forward of Ruud's quality for that money, so all this transfer talk is just thAT...........TALK
far more likely is Rio heading back to London.The Sun is doing its best to get up Fergies nose these days.weekly allegations about rooney,rumours about ruud and rio and the supposed player revolt against CQ.then again,i dont read the rag so I aint bothered.ruud to score tomorrow

[STEVIEG]

Even 6 weeks ago i would have dismissed these rumours but its not beyond the bounds of possibility now-He's due a goal i wouldn't be suprised if he stuck one against the barcodes.

[Captain Planet]

Even 6 weeks ago i would have dismissed these rumours but its not beyond the bounds of possibility now-He's due a goal i wouldn't be suprised if he stuck one against the barcodes.
ha the barcodes. i like it. im also gonna rob it.

[STEVIEG]

Feel free i robbed it meself!

[Rebelred]

ruud has been in down turn every season since he peaked. Man utd play better without him. Far better. Replace him with a guy who can play and id be very fearful of utd.....he adds nothing to the team but goals. Goals full stop. one trick pony.

love soccer moms summation of him though.
yes,nothing but.forgive my eyes for even thinking that ruud played the ball beautifully out to the right flank for Ronaldo to cross for scholes header, or that ruud created the fourth for Cristiano Ronaldo.All he did was stand there and score...


bollox

[Rebelred]

But its far better than no swallow at all

[Langer Dan]

yes,nothing but.forgive my eyes for even thinking that ruud played the ball beautifully out to the right flank for Ronaldo to cross for scholes header, or that ruud created the fourth for Cristiano Ronaldo.All he did was stand there and score...


bollox

well said .
Ruud is a legend.. For all the rampant ABU's who continually questions Ruud's contribution to the team, just look at the lack of goals United forwards scored after Ruud's injury this season, he's vital to this united side. Was delighted to see him back to form against Newcastle, That chip coulda been a contender for goal of the season

[I_LIKE_R_L]

i swallow dont make a spring

heh heh

[Sound]

Goal of the season? Definitely! Far better than Edman's 40 yarder against Liverpool or Garcia's 30 yarder in the same game.


FFS!

[STEVIEG]

Bottom line is that he looked pretty sharp. Keanes reaction to his goals did a lot to dismiss talk of a so-called rift. Naff, churn out the stats but Ruud has missed more than half the season. He's still under-performed but even in the Champions league he's got 8 goals. Who has got more? Of course he hasn't been up to the standards of Henry et al in the Premiership but he, his boss and most fans wil be the first to admit that. If he got a double-hat-rick yesterday you would have found some way to dis-credit him!

[Captain Planet]

14 apperances, 4 goals, 3 from the spot and no assists......
its about time someone backed up these claims with hard evidence. For those utd fans out there...dont even think about blaming it on his injuries. Without beckham ruud has never been the same.

[STEVIEG]

Could have sworn he set a goal up yesterday. You wanna talk stats how about 13 losses in a league which you are aiming to win.

[STEVIEG]

Oh sorry-you've had a lot of "injuries"

[Captain Planet]

Could have sworn he set a goal up yesterday. You wanna talk stats how about 13 losses in a league which you are aiming to win.
im on about ruud and nothing else. utd fans fail to see how poor he can be

[STEVIEG]

Looking at the bigger picture United fans recognise he's not only one of their best strikers of all time but he's still one of the best in the world. He's done at at every level and thats why his timely return to form has been welcomed. We also recognise he has not been on form since his injury and also had a realtively poor start to the season when he was fit.

[Captain Planet]

Looking at the bigger picture United fans recognise he's not only one of their best strikers of all time but he's still one of the best in the world. He's done at at every level and thats why his timely return to form has been welcomed. We also recognise he has not been on form since his injury and also had a realtively poor start to the season when he was fit.
i want more of that recognising ya hear me. ruud has been woeful. but its nice to see him sort of back to shape

[STEVIEG]

Again its just a case of looking at the bigger picture even when Golden-balls (who every United fan in the world thinks is some sort of genius these days!) was playing Ruud had the odd dry patch it happens with all strikers goals breed confidence. Also, his manager has admitted he made a mistake in rushing him back and everyone would agree with that.

[Diego Murphy]

its about time someone backed up these claims with hard evidence. For those utd fans out there...dont even think about blaming it on his injuries. Without beckham ruud has never been the same.

01-02 Manchester United 33 Goals, 46 Games - 0.72
02-03 Manchester United 39 Goals, 45 Games - 0.87
03-04 Manchester United 24 Goals, 39 Games - 0.62
04-05 Manchester United 12 Goals, 21 Games - 0.57

[Rolo Feen]

i wasnt totally sure whether we could do with or without ruud on saturday, but yesterday i got sense and realised we'd be up shit creek without him.
he started the ball rolling, looked very sharp, couple of good efforts other than the goals and spread play well when the ball came to him. held it up very well too as he can.

he has his critics, and perhaps they're justified. but any team would love a goalscorer with those records in their team, so we're lucky its us that have him and not someone else.

[ho chi feen]

its about time someone backed up these claims with hard evidence. For those utd fans out there...dont even think about blaming it on his injuries.


?????


i rate ruud as a tap in queen but still i think utd should hang onto him. He hasnt shown the killer instinct as much probably due to injury but he'd want to perform next season or else he will be on his way out

[Loftydog]

Are you accusing him of being clueless self-contradictary abu ho chi? Because he obviously isnt and is in fact in full grasp of the facts and not lead by hysterial media types...

[ho chi feen]

Are you accusing him of being clueless self-contradictary abu ho chi? Because he obviously isnt and is in fact in full grasp of the facts and not lead by hysterial media types...
Yerrah, I dunno... fuck knows. But these posts.. from the same thread... posted hours apart...??? Fierce odd altogether. I smell a multiuser.

[ho chi feen]

another manc fan love-in. tis great

Stop interrupting our bum-patting sesh ya grumpy fuck.

[Loftydog]

another manc fan love-in. tis great

Close the door on the way out rashers lad....

[ho chi feen]

ruud has been in down turn every season since he peaked. Man utd play better without him. Far better. Replace him with a guy who can play and id be very fearful of utd.....he adds nothing to the team but goals. Goals full stop. one trick pony.

I can see that on your gravestone.

[ho chi feen]

thought id throw some aggression into this fawn orgy. sorry
Typical!

[Coin]

Ruud scores goals in Europe. Lots of them. Utd would be nuts to sell him.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

This 'Ruud has'nt been the same player since Beckham left' bullshit really gets to me. I've said it on the forum before but I'm gonna say it again. Since moving to United, RVN has twice broken the premiership record for consecutive games scoring a goal. The 1st time was in December 01/January 02. He scored in 8 straight games. While he was doing this, the Sun & other rags were more interested in the England captain & saviour for his goal against Greece warming his ass on the subs bench. Fergie's prefered midfield at the time was Keane & Butt in the centre, Veron playing to the right, Scholes to the left with Giggs playing just off Ruud.

The 2nd time Ruud broke the record was at the end of the 02/03 season & the start of the 03/04 campaign. He scored in 10 straight games, the last 2 while Beckham was in Spain & the other 8 during a spell that Ole Solskjaer convinced SAF that he could play wide right.

[STEVIEG]

His words are right though. They probably miss Nicky butts dressing room banter too but you have to move on.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

thats why ruud went onto say that he misses beckhams delivery and the reason he hasnt scored as much was the missing quality of beckhams delivery.


i hate man utd fans with short memories

Well if my memory was so short then I would'nt be able to remember back then would I? Of course he was going to miss Beckham's crossing ability because there isn't anyone in the world who can cross like him. But if Paul Scholes was to leave in the morning Ruud would probably say "I miss his 1st touch slide-rule pass to leave me one on one with the keeper".

Every team will miss a certain player's contribution but to say Ruud has'nt been the same since beckham left is as I said earlier bullshit.

[dotty]

in fact went on to call becks useless.

when?

[STEVIEG]

In the tense run in that year it was Ole who was on the pitch in the big games against Newcastle, Liverpool and Arsenal. United got great results at them all and Ole wound Campell up so much that he lashed out on him. Fergie calling Beckhma useless (source?) does not even come into it. Oh yeah, United won the league that year too.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

here you go

ole
goals: 9
Appearances: 37
Minutes on pitch: 2744
Subs. (on/off): 8/7
Assists: 7
Caught offside: 14
Crosses: 74



becks
goals 6:
Appearances: 31
Minutes on pitch: 2646
Subs. (on/off): 4/2
Assists: 9
Caught offside: 13
Crosses: 201



spent less time on the pitch and put three times more crosses into the box. Ole done well, but he was no beckham. Fergie made a bad call and the nodding dogs in trafford and who support them went along with it.

in fact went on to call becks useless.

And where's the stat that converts Beckham's crosses into Ruud's goals?

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

van the man with becks
23 goals 01/02
25 goals 02/03



van the man without becks
20 goals 03/04
4 goals 04/05




course its bullshit

It is bullshit. I proved that earlier when Ruud went on to break 1st Alan Shithead's record of consecutive games scoring & then his own. Beckham during those runs was only a squad player.

[dotty]

on here loads of times.

thought you meant fergie called him useless which i dont think he has - not publicly anyway.

[dotty]

so your telling me that of the 31 apperances becks made......he didnt play in the last 9. rubbish. you proved nothing.

off the top of my head,he did play at goodison on the last day of the season and scored a very good freekick.....

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

so your telling me that of the 31 apperances becks made......he didnt play in the last 9. rubbish. you proved nothing.

Ruud's record was set over the last 8 games of the 02/03 season & the 1st 2 of 03/04. Those teams he scored against were.

02/03
Fulham - Beckham played. RVN got 3. 1 pen, 1 solo effort & another late goal from a cross. Cant think of who gave him the ball. May have been DB may have not.

Liverpool - Beckham played. didnt assist RVN. He scored 2 pens

Newcastle - Beckham didnt play. Scored pen

Arsenal - Beckham didnt play. Scored in open play

Blackburn - Beckham played. Did assist RVN. Header from Beckham cross

Spurs - Beckham played. didnt assist RVN. Scored in open play

Charlton - Beckham played. Set up 1 of Ruud's 3.

Everton - Beckham played. didnt assist RVN. scored 1 pen

03/04

Bolton - Beckham was at Madrid. Ruud scored 1.

Newcastle - Ruud scored from a Roy Keane assist.

Ruud

total goals: 15
games: 10
games with beckham: 6
Goals with beckham 9
Goals without Beckham: 6
Penalties: 5
open play: 10
Goals assisted by Beckham: 2

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

so your point?

Ruud scored 15 goals in 10 games. Of the 15 goals the most Beckham assisted him with was 3. 20% of Ruuds goals came from Beckham assists. I dont think that was a large percentage considering how when he played at United, Beckham used to take every corner and every set piece United got.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

as oppose to the wonders ronaldo does now........

Ya I know he only set up 2 & scored 1 on Sunday. Fergie should sell him & play Bellion instead.

[STEVIEG]

Naff, Did you watch Ronaldo last sunday or watch him tear Arsenal apart in Highbury-or is that why you really don't like Ronaldo and Ruud!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rebelred]

van the man with becks
23 goals 01/02
25 goals 02/03



van the man without becks
20 goals 03/04
4 goals 04/05




course its bullshit
of course you fail to mention the fact Ruud has missed the most of this season with two major injuries.Solksjaer played beckham off the team two years ago,simple as that.Beckham was too interested in denying he was off to madrid when we all knew he was.In summary,beckham 02/03 was a hinderance to united.Ruud has continued to score goals for united without beckham.People are simply seizing on the fact that he went 6/7 games without scoring,after being out since november.Give him a break will ya.I dont seem to remember anyone writing Henry off when he failed to score a league goal in january.Strikers will always have patches.

[Captain Planet]

its about time someone backed up these claims with hard evidence. For those utd fans out there...dont even think about blaming it on his injuries.




?????




i rate ruud as a tap in queen but still i think utd should hang onto him. He hasnt shown the killer instinct as much probably due to injury but he'd want to perform next season or else he will be on his way out


aaaah im a hypocrite. live with it.im allowed to blame it on his injuries. im not a utd fan.bah!

[Captain Planet]

Ya I know he only set up 2 & scored 1 on Sunday. Fergie should sell him & play Bellion instead.
he has a few good games all season and hes class. hes no nunez! unfortunately

[Philby]

Ruud is one of the best goalscorers of his generation but, as I've documented many times on here, I don't think his all-round game is anywhere near world class (which make the RVN V Henry comparisons laughable)

He lacks genuine pace, his ball control & touch is functional but nothing special, he lacks the vision & ability to execute elegant passes (ala Bergkamp) & doesn't create many goals for himself...

...on the good side however he is a top finisher (when fully fit), works his ass off, is strong & aggressive and is always hungry for goals.

Is he a very effective player? Yes.
Should Utd consider selling him this summer? No, unless they get a sizeable offer and are confident of landing an experiences striker with a proven track record (..dare I say it someone in the mould of morientes? *) - using
the leftover cash to help fund Keane's replacement.

* - Yes I know el Moro hasn't knocked in too many this year but he is clearly not 100% fit and is still adjusting to a new league/style of play/club. I think he'll be a decidedly different prospect next year esp. with the likes of Alonso, Cisse, Garcia et al to link up with.

[STEVIEG]

fuck sake. filth play well on sunday and everything is just fab. last week at norwich wahhh wahhh players gettin paid too much, keane was right to slate team mates they're not puttin it in wahhh wahhh.

fuckin soccer moms


I doubt you will find any United fan here even remotely happy witht he way they are at the minute. We are simply trying to balance the arguments against Ruud.

[STEVIEG]

always played well without him.


I'll leave someone else dig up the stats but i think we've done quite alright with him since he joined.

[STEVIEG]

Would United have finished first two years ago without him?

Last year we probably wouldn't have made Europe without him.

And as for in Europe United wouldn't have got out of their group without him.


So, no, i think you are wrong.

[Up For The Ba]

thats why ye have returned to shitness when rudd returned

very shit on Sunday. FUCK OFF WUM. By the way, Arsenal are 12/5 tomorrow night, do you fancy them?

[Up For The Ba]

12/5? why risk it. id go with an ashley cole first goal at about 33/1

Why risk it, cos i`m fucken broke after my trip to Prague and i need money. Ashley Cole at 33/1, may aswell be 200/1. Do ya think ye will get a result or not?

[Diego Murphy]

Why risk it, cos i`m fucken broke after my trip to Prague and i need money. Ashley Cole at 33/1, may aswell be 200/1. Do ya think ye will get a result or not?
is prague any good? i'm probably goin there as part of inter railing. is it worth staying there for long?

[STEVIEG]

[QUOTE=Diego Murphy]is prague any good? QUOTE]

Better than Ruud anyway (according to Naff)

[Rolo Feen]

here you go

ole
goals: 9
Appearances: 37
Minutes on pitch: 2744
Subs. (on/off): 8/7
Assists: 7
Caught offside: 14
Crosses: 74



becks
goals 6:
Appearances: 31
Minutes on pitch: 2646
Subs. (on/off): 4/2
Assists: 9
Caught offside: 13
Crosses: 201



spent less time on the pitch and put three times more crosses into the box. Ole done well, but he was no beckham. Fergie made a bad call and the nodding dogs in trafford and who support them went along with it.

in fact went on to call becks useless.
as wonderful as these constant stats are naff,

the REASON beckham has 3 times as many crosses is because:
A) its all he can fucking do well on a pitch other than 60 yard passes.
B) he cant beat a man, solsjkaer did on many occasions
C) he had no ability to break in-field and take on a one-two passing movement or to try and score himself
D)it was his sole reason for being on the pitch.

solskjaer was alot more use and was far more inventive and dynamic on the right than Becks was in that period in my opinion and his performances out there at the time justified leaving a moaning beckham on the bench, cos his boss didnt like him being out till 2am/3am in the mornings cos of his retard wife and her functions.

[Rebelred]

Ruud is one of the best goalscorers of his generation but, as I've documented many times on here, I don't think his all-round game is anywhere near world class (which make the RVN V Henry comparisons laughable)

He lacks genuine pace, his ball control & touch is functional but nothing special, he lacks the vision & ability to execute elegant passes (ala Bergkamp) & doesn't create many goals for himself...

...on the good side however he is a top finisher (when fully fit), works his ass off, is strong & aggressive and is always hungry for goals.

Is he a very effective player? Yes.
Should Utd consider selling him this summer? No, unless they get a sizeable offer and are confident of landing an experiences striker with a proven track record (..dare I say it someone in the mould of morientes? *) - using
the leftover cash to help fund Keane's replacement.

* - Yes I know el Moro hasn't knocked in too many this year but he is clearly not 100% fit and is still adjusting to a new league/style of play/club. I think he'll be a decidedly different prospect next year esp. with the likes of Alonso, Cisse, Garcia et al to link up with.
philby thanks once again for your objective perspective on this issue.and Moirientes will be flying for next season,hasnt been playing too badly but the chances just haven't fallen his way too often have they

[STEVIEG]

Morning Naff! It was game over by then and those goals were token gestures, he was crap when it mattered in that first leg in Madrid, missed an easy chance, and was given the run round by Carlos, who had also demonstrated Beckhams deficiencies two years previously in another two legged tie. And yes, before you say it, Cafu did the same to Ronaldo this year but he's gonna get much much better.

[STEVIEG]

Damage was done in the first leg-Beckhams motivation in the second was saving face and he seemed almost as eager to shake Zidanes hand at the end rather than being pissed at United losing. United fans saw him as being self-serving overall and thats why we backed our manager to the hilt. Beckham rana round like his life depended on it (as Madrid eased up) in those last few minutes like he did for Engerlund against Greece but where was he in the first leg? Anon

[STEVIEG]

As usual its been a gripping battle but i really have to move on from this one now i'll leave you in the capable hands of someof the other fans on this board who share my opinons on Becks. Always remember though, a lot of us backed him through the hilt for many years and only accepted it was his time to go when he seemed to be happy to be elsewhere. He orchestrated a move while trying to convince United fans he was being moved and no-one is bigger than the club.
Even if quality players like Rio want to leave as far as United fans are concerned they can go because if anyone thinks theres a better club to play for they shouldn't be playing for United. I'm sure fans of Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea feel the same about their own teams and thats the way it should be.

[Up For The Ba]

is prague any good? i'm probably goin there as part of inter railing. is it worth staying there for long?

It is a good spot alright but like anywhere i suppose you kinda need to know where you`re going;

1: Dont get into a taxi unless they quote you a fair price for where you`re going, if they tell you they`re running a meter tell em to fuck off cos they`ll try and fleece ya.

2: When you`re drinking get off the main street, head down a few side streets here and there and you`ll be paying around €1 a pint as opposed to €4 around the main street.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

beckham played in 31 games...........that s alot of bench time. he scored two against madrid.....a game ye needed him in.

Those goals against Madrid were too little too late. He had a glorious chance in the away leg to make it 3-2 & game on at Old Trafford but missed it. Real even took off their best player on the night before Beckham scored because they knoew they were through to the semi's.

[11 league titles]

he didnt orchastrate a move........he got kicked in the head by the manager with a boot.....he didnt even remotely do what rio has done. once bitten twice............... trying to get on the way to kengsington.

and didn't he make sure the whole tabloid world knew about it..fucking girls alice band! and if you honestly think he(and his agents) didn't orchestrate the move Naff well then i guess nobody is going to convence ya.. but if he didn't then how come the rumours were around manchester for months before the end of the season..Unless you know more than anybody a lot closer to the club??

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

sporting lisbon bate newcastle more convincingly than utd did.


Sure they did. Which team were still in need of a goal with 15 minutes left or else they'd have been out & which team were leading 2-0 at half time effectively having the game won?

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

so you watched both games and feel that utd on sunday played better?


i never tought you were that blinkered

Dont think they played better but killed they game off in impressive manner. Newcastle were awful in both games but United were more clinical. I think Lisbon would have struggled if they didnt score before half time.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

hahahahaha. short memories. im no becks fan but as an avid ABU supporter i was delighted he moved. he was deadly on the right for utd. only figo was a more effective right winger at the time. if ye cant accept that then it just enhances my view of the so called utd fans on this board. fuckin cheerleaders

Ya we're fucking cheerleaders. Beckham's influence on the team was on the wane & Fergie knew it. Besides the odd cross he'd do fuck all. At least OGS used put in a bit of effort. During Beckham's last season at MUFC, United had to play Newcastle, Liverpool & Arsenal in consecutive games twice during the season. 1st time was in November/December & the 2nd during April. 5 of those 6 games were wins & the other was a draw at Highbury. Beckham only played in 1 of those games, the 4-0 home win against the pool. So it proved United could win without him & when 25m is offered for a player who isn't as vital as what he seemed to be to the cause the business sense would be to accept & use the money to sign younger players who could replace him.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

these figures your saying just dont add up......

he played 31 games in the league last year.........if he missed 5 of them games then what are all the other games you were on about

They were arguebly United's biggest league games that season along with the Chelsea game at home. He missed 5 of them due to injury. Yet United won all of them bar the game at Highbury. I was'nt on about any other game.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

he missed them 5 thru injury. your correct. and he didnt start the arsenal match, so what was the other 2 premiership games he missed? yesterday you seemed to be saying he missed alot of premiership games at the end......

and call them the biggest 5 games all you want. ye were still out of the title race for the last three and a guy cant play when he's injured. I know thats a hard concept for ya to grasp............

short memories

I'm saying he missed a lot of games during Ruud's run of goals. The last two games of RVN's record he was at Madrid for.

And how have we been out of the title race for the last 3? Its only 2 years since our last league win.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

apologies im not doing my maths right there.
do you know dennis bergkamp didnt play in any of the games that henry set his consecitive scoring record.....


fact of the matter is...........beckham has been a huge loss. still is.

An in-form Beckham of the 96/97 season of the 98/99 season well yes. But not the Beckham who was'nt the same player for United after breaking his foot. It was a shame he suffered that injury against Deportivo because he was playing really well at the time scoring bucket loads of goals.

As for Henry's record I cant exactly remember when he set his own but I didnt know Bergkamp didnt play during that period.

[Chips,Peas & Curry]

If Ruud is unhappy then goodluck to him, he can piss off elsewhere, don't like his attitude anyway. A pure Gary Lineker type striker, 6 yard box man. Utd need someone like Henry. Don't know of any striker for sale like him though.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

If Ruud is unhappy then goodluck to him, he can piss off elsewhere, don't like his attitude anyway. A pure Gary Lineker type striker, 6 yard box man. Utd need someone like Henry. Don't know of any striker for sale like him though.

He seemed pretty happy on Sunday. As for his attitude I cant see much wrong with it. He plays the role he's picked to do which is play off the shoulder of the last defender.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

he plays the role that he only can........theres a difference.

true but he's good at it. Andy Cole had a similar role and although he scored a lot of goals for the club he missed as many chances. Ruud does'nt miss many when fully fit. It's like the 1st half of the Lyon game at Old Trafford this year. United had a good few chances to put the game beyond Lyon but none of them fell to Ruud. It was Gary Neville who even got the goal FFS. 1 all at HT & I'm left commenting while getting into the car to collect the sister that if Ruud gets 1 chance he'll score. Turn on 5 Live and they have reports that RVN has put United back in the lead. He's clinical.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

right so two of the biggest clubs in the world had tug of war over beckhams signature whereas if one of them had just used their brains and gone in for ollie........


And with him Real have won.........

Solskjaer has been unlucky in that he's been injured more or less since Beckham left. Anyway signing Ronaldo would'nt have happened if Beckham stayed.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

why wouldnt it? if ye hadnt sold becks ye'd have got ronaldo for a song......it was the fact ye needed a player ye payed way over the odds for him.

Not neccessarily. A lot of Spanish clubs were interested in signing Ronaldo.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

im not a fan of beckham. in general hes been average at madrid but hes playing out of position for them. what i do know is that he was absolutely devastating for utd on the wing. all he can do is cross the ball... all he can do is cross the ball.... for fuck sake. it amazes me how fickle you fuckers can be. actually no it doesn't. as for what hes won with madrid.... well i thought i was arguing the merits of one player but for good measure the filth haven't exactly been setting the world alight since beckham left.... in a less competitive league.

Its not rocket science why United hav'nt won the league for 2 seasons running. 1st season leading the league until Rio gets suspended the defence starts leaking goals plus Arsenal went unbeaten. This year the problem has being the injuries suffered to the forwards which have led to our worst season in front of goal for years.

As for out of position he always claimed he was a better central midfielder than winger. Really shone there didnt he?

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

you clearly wouldn't be a great rocket scientist then. fuckin muppet

No I would'nt. Go on give your version of how we would have stopped Chelsea & Arsenal winning the league with Beckham. You clearly seem to know all of United's faults. Maybe you could even become the next manager (heaven forbid).

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

listen bud. you're the one that got sidetracked here. i didn't bring teams into it... i hope they never win the fuckin league again. i was happy when he left. there's less chance of ye winning it. im goin to lunch

Ya and you still avoided answering the question I asked yet you accuse me of sidetracking.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

well you claim one player in rio ferdinand has been the reason ye were shit at the start of the year, and a few posts up you claim he was the reason arsenal waltzed to the title last year as well.......


so whos to say beckham wouldnt have? ronaldo would have been ten times better serving for a year or two under becks.


Rio was playing in a position that was pivotal to the team. Look at the defensive record before he signed and while he was out to see the difference he's made to the team.

Anyway Ferdinand's absence was unexpected. It was'nt planned for so therefore there was no one to replace him. Brown had to be rushed back from injury. With Beckham Fergie signed Ronaldo & had Solskjaer. I dont thnk Fergie would have thrown Ronaldo into the side straight away if Solskjaer was fit.

[Rebelred]

he plays the role that he only can........theres a difference.
its the only role he needs to play

[Diego Murphy]

Rio was playing in a position that was pivotal to the team. Look at the defensive record before he signed and while he was out to see the difference he's made to the team.

Anyway Ferdinand's absence was unexpected. It was'nt planned for so therefore there was no one to replace him. Brown had to be rushed back from injury. With Beckham Fergie signed Ronaldo & had Solskjaer. I dont thnk Fergie would have thrown Ronaldo into the side straight away if Solskjaer was fit.
Fergie actually intended on buying Ronaldo AND Ronaldinho together. It was Ronaldinho who was obviously going to play the bulk of games and then ease Ronaldo into it. To be fair to Fergie, his plans in the transfer market over the last few years would have built an exceptional team. Remember that it was influences outside his control(i.e. Kenyon) that prevented him from signing Ronaldinho and Robben. It was never just idle transfer speculation. United were on the verge of buying both those players.

[dotty]

Fergie actually intended on buying Ronaldo AND Ronaldinho together. It was Ronaldinho who was obviously going to play the bulk of games and then ease Ronaldo into it. To be fair to Fergie, his plans in the transfer market over the last few years would have built an exceptional team. Remember that it was influences outside his control(i.e. Kenyon) that prevented him from signing Ronaldinho and Robben. It was never just idle transfer speculation. United were on the verge of buying both those players.

and they had a good look at xabi alonso as well bout 2 years ago but decided against it - WHY?

[STEVIEG]

and they had a good look at xabi alonso as well bout 2 years ago but decided against it - WHY?

it would have ruined Philbys best ever thread

[Lynott]

This thread is hilarious!!!

Half the people in here should be embarrassed to talk about football in public.

You know who you are!

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

the only point i took issue with is beckhams performances for utd. nothing else. i think he was the second most effective right winger in the world when he was playing for utd. fickle manc fans like yourself think not and bring stupid fuckin arguments like 'what has he won with madrid bla bla fuckin bla' into it. i have answered you on that. dont accuse me of dodgin anything dumbass.

What is it with you name calling when anyone ever disagree's with you? As for me being a fickle United supporter I think not. The word fickle would be better used to describe Beckham's last season at the club. When he wanted to he could be awesome as he was when United were 1 down to Sunderland at home on New Years Day. United had about 30 shots on goal that day yet had no luck until the last 10 minutes when Rio miss hit a clearence on to Beckham & he scored. Bust a gut to get to it he did. That was vintage Beckham. Yet it was only 1 or 2 occasions he decided to grab the game by the scruff of the neck. Thats why us United fans get pissed off when ABU's like you go on about how much we miss Beckham. I think we miss him when he was giving it his all but not the alice-band wearing ponce he became in his last season at the club.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

Fergie actually intended on buying Ronaldo AND Ronaldinho together. It was Ronaldinho who was obviously going to play the bulk of games and then ease Ronaldo into it. To be fair to Fergie, his plans in the transfer market over the last few years would have built an exceptional team. Remember that it was influences outside his control(i.e. Kenyon) that prevented him from signing Ronaldinho and Robben. It was never just idle transfer speculation. United were on the verge of buying both those players.

I dont want to even remember the Ronaldinho saga. That fucking baldy 'i've been a United supporter all my life' prick Kenyon put paid to that one.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

the ol 'scruff of the neck' cliché. typical.

1 or 2 occasions???

i rest my case your honour. this man is clearly a cheerleader, pardon the namecalling

So you dont like the use of clichés do you? Go on how many more times did he put 100% effort into the cause? You seem to know a lot more about Beckham than I do.

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

never said that i didn't like them but their usage are indicative of one who has no independant thoughts of his own, or if he has, is too lazy to rationalise his argument.

as for beckham, thanks for the compliment. i concur.

Sorry I dont need anyone to provide ammunition for an arguement I make. I give my own opinions and always have on all subjects in life not just sport & Man Utd. As for my laziness in not giving valids reasons to my arguement then thats just bullshit. I've said over & over again why Beckham was correctly sold & I stand by them.

Now I'm off handing in lab reports.

[Diego Murphy]

Barcelona's Txiki Beguiristain has refused to be drawn on the latest round of transfer speculation surrounding the club.
Barca, along with Real Madrid, were linked with a move for Manchester United striker Ruud van Nistelrooy on Wednesday with defender Carles Puyol tipped to move in the opposite direction.
Rumours over rather more probable-sounding moves for Mark van Bommel and Michael Ballack have also refused to go away, but Beguiristain would give nothing away.
The Catalans' director of sport insisted the club were focusing fully on clinching the Spanish league title and had not started to resolve their summer transfer activity.

[Fat Tom]

so whos to say beckham wouldnt have? ronaldo would have been ten times better serving for a year or two under becks.

I'd agree with that.
But Becks was piss poor before he left.
His lifestyle was not one of a model pro.
Solskjaer was playing better - still Becks is one of our own and while I agreed with the sale at the time we are really suffering from set plays without him.
Our goals scored this season is pathetic.
Ronaldo could learn a lot from Becks.
Van Nistelrooy needs better service it isn't there at the moment and United lack winger options on the bench.

[Diego Murphy]

now michael owen is being linked in a swap deal with van nistelrooy. that's the worst rumour i've heard yet. would be crazy. twud be like swapping a horse for a poodle!

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now michael owen is being linked in a swap deal with van nistelrooy. that's the worst rumour i've heard yet. would be crazy. twud be like swapping a horse for a poodle!

Never happen.

[Fat Tom]

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has angrily rejected reports linking Ruud van Nistelrooy with a move to Real Madrid in a swap for Michael Owen.
Reports in Spain and England have claimed that United had approached Real about a possible swap deal involving van Nistelrooy and Owen.
Ferguson has slammed the suggestions and insists they would not be looking to try and sell van Nistelrooy.
"The unfortunate part about this job is that you have to deny or refute something every week because we are big news," said Ferguson.
"The idea that we would tout the best forward in Europe around is such rubbish it's hardly worth commenting on.
"The truth is we are not touting Ruud, we have not been touting Ruud and there is no chance of us touting him in the future."

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Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has angrily rejected reports linking Ruud van Nistelrooy with a move to Real Madrid in a swap for Michael Owen.
Reports in Spain and England have claimed that United had approached Real about a possible swap deal involving van Nistelrooy and Owen.
Ferguson has slammed the suggestions and insists they would not be looking to try and sell van Nistelrooy.
"The unfortunate part about this job is that you have to deny or refute something every week because we are big news," said Ferguson.
"The idea that we would tout the best forward in Europe around is such rubbish it's hardly worth commenting on.
"The truth is we are not touting Ruud, we have not been touting Ruud and there is no chance of us touting him in the future."

Best forward in Europe? I didn't know Sheva had upped sticks to Salford..

[MonTheHoops]

neither would sol campbell to arsenal

And Smith to Leeds.

[Diego Murphy]

And Smith to Leeds.
the difference here is that i don't think owen would be any addition whatsoever to the team.

[Langer Dan]

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has angrily rejected reports linking Ruud van Nistelrooy with a move to Real Madrid in a swap for Michael Owen.
Reports in Spain and England have claimed that United had approached Real about a possible swap deal involving van Nistelrooy and Owen.
Ferguson has slammed the suggestions and insists they would not be looking to try and sell van Nistelrooy.
"The unfortunate part about this job is that you have to deny or refute something every week because we are big news," said Ferguson.
"The idea that we would tout the best forward in Europe around is such rubbish it's hardly worth commenting on.
"The truth is we are not touting Ruud, we have not been touting Ruud and there is no chance of us touting him in the future."

which is what iv said since the Sun printed this ridiculous rumour.
Shame on all of ye who believed this rubbish.

[Fat Tom]

are you nuts? thats the most nuts thing ive read on here, in my time posting here. Owen has been savage for real madrid this year. He was 20 goals a year for the pool and they were shit at the time. At real madrid he's looked twice the player he was, hes got a better link up, better skill, looks faster and to top it all................. ...............he is 50 times the player dwight yorke ever will be, and dwight yorke was a 30 goal a year man for utd.

I wouldn't mind buying him, at all - he is miles better than smith and saha.
Smith offers nothing as a striker bar work rate
1 thing Naff - Yorke was good due to an excellent understanding with his strike partner and Beckham's crossing ability

[Diego Murphy]

are you nuts? thats the most nuts thing ive read on here, in my time posting here. Owen has been savage for real madrid this year. He was 20 goals a year for the pool and they were shit at the time. At real madrid he's looked twice the player he was, hes got a better link up, better skill, looks faster and to top it all................. ...............he is 50 times the player dwight yorke ever will be, and dwight yorke was a 30 goal a year man for utd.
calm down there a sec naff. i'm still talking about Michael Owen in terms of him being bought with van nistelrooy going the other way. In that context i don't believe that owen would be an addition to the squad as i don't think he'd cover the loss of van nistelrooy. if it was smith or saha going the other way then i do think he would add to the team but not where van is concerned.

[Diego Murphy]

According to Richard Kurt in Arena, he thinks that Van Nistelrooy will probably go this time round. He pointed out how this time last year United had him out in front of a press conference reiterating his desire to stay. It's starting to sound more and more like he's going to leave.

[STEVIEG]

Dunno-Van has said it himslef while Fergie has openly repeated it. I doubt it at this stage, especially since united couldn't expect outrageous money for him.

[ho chi feen]

Beckham played well the other night. He's probably on his best run of form at club level since 2000-2001.

[ho chi feen]

Well if my memory was so short then I would'nt be able to remember back then would I? Of course he was going to miss Beckham's crossing ability because there isn't anyone in the world who can cross like him. But if Paul Scholes was to leave in the morning Ruud would probably say "I miss his 1st touch slide-rule pass to leave me one on one with the keeper".

Every team will miss a certain player's contribution but to say Ruud has'nt been the same since beckham left is as I said earlier bullshit.

There you go again, trying to fight hearsay and conjecture with mere facts! Tsk tsk. You'll learn, lad. One day!

[ho chi feen]

aaaah im a hypocrite. live with it.im allowed to blame it on his injuries. im not a utd fan.bah!

Fairy nuff!

[ho chi feen]

as wonderful as these constant stats are naff,

the REASON beckham has 3 times as many crosses is because:
A) its all he can fucking do well on a pitch other than 60 yard passes.
B) he cant beat a man, solsjkaer did on many occasions
C) he had no ability to break in-field and take on a one-two passing movement or to try and score himself
D)it was his sole reason for being on the pitch.

solskjaer was alot more use and was far more inventive and dynamic on the right than Becks was in that period in my opinion and his performances out there at the time justified leaving a moaning beckham on the bench, cos his boss didnt like him being out till 2am/3am in the mornings cos of his retard wife and her functions.
Also, you'd hardly call it wide right a la Becks or Giggs in 4-4-2. It was wide on the 3 in a 4-2-3-1 formation, swapping sides with Giggs and cutting infield- not touchline hugging.

[ho chi feen]

he didnt orchastrate a move.........

Here ends my contribution to the thread.

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If this were DH, you'd be banned! :)

[ho chi feen]

If this were DH, you'd be banned! :)

But it isn't, so I won't be!

What's your name on there?

[Mr. R.M. Keane]

According to Richard Kurt in Arena, he thinks that Van Nistelrooy will probably go this time round. He pointed out how this time last year United had him out in front of a press conference reiterating his desire to stay. It's starting to sound more and more like he's going to leave.

If Richard Kurt says he's going to leave then I'm willing to put my mortgage on him staying.

[ho chi feen]

bit confused there fella.... á lá langer tom???

Can you please stop talking in Naffisms for once.

[Langer Dan]

Can you please stop talking in Naffisms for once.

He can't help it Ho Chi, derivititave garbage is all the WUM is capable of, I recommend ignoring him, it's only argumument for arguments sake with the likes of him.

[ho chi feen]

better to talk naffisms that absolute bollox

There's a difference? http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/images/smilie/icon_biggrin.gif

You ddin't get around to reading that yoke in the Examiner, did ya?

[ho chi feen]

He can't help it Ho Chi, derivititave garbage is all the WUM is capable of, I recommend ignoring him, it's only argumument for arguments sake with the likes of him.

Please refrain from taking my side in all future arguments.

[ho chi feen]

naw.....can you post it?
I'll have to check at work if it's still around. Gist was:

Reyes or Owen? Owen any day. Cole, or 20m with Gael Clichy ready to step in? Take the money and buy Given and a decent centre back to replace Cygan.

He might have said something about Aliadiere as well, I'll have to check like.

[Jim Comic]

RUUD AGENT HINTS AT REAL SWITCH

Ruud van Nistelrooy's agent has hinted the Dutch striker could be set to leave Manchester United next summer in order to join Real Madrid.

The 29-year-old has been linked with a move to the Spanish giants before but has always pledged his loyalty to United.

However, close friend and agent Rodger Linse has reopened the debate over Van Nistelrooy's future by revealing he would like to move one day.

Linse is quoted in the Mail on Sunday as saying: "It's possible that things are going to happen next summer but that's all I will say for the moment.

"If I say more, I will not be able to keep the English and Spanish press off my back. But at this stage I don't want to lie about it either.

"Ruud does wish to play in Spain. It is not a case of 'must', more an urge. When he has the chance, he could move there. And I would love to see him play his football there, too."

Indeed, Linse claims Van Nistelrooy has already rejected the chance to earn more money by moving to Madrid.

He added: "At some stage, over the last two seasons, Real were very firm about a transfer. They have even put an offer on the table at United.

"Ruud was going to earn much more money in Madrid but he felt he had not completed his mission at United."

[STEVIEG]

Same stuff different year can't see it happening at all at this stage

[Diego Murphy]

i can't understand why on earth real would buy him. They already have Robinho, Raul, Ronaldo and Baptista.

[STEVIEG]

Madrid logic is always weird but i agree-anyway, it was confirmed this morning that it was a nothing story he's buying another gaff in Manchester.

[Langer Dan]

Ruud van Nistelrooy is staying at Manchester United, according to his agent.

The Dutch striker has been linked with a move to La Liga and possibly Real Madrid at the end of the season. However the player's representative Rodger Linse said Van Nistelrooy is putting down roots in Manchester and is buying a house.

"Ruud is happy at Manchester United," Linse told the Manchester Evening News. "As a matter of fact he is in the process of buying a house in Manchester. Previously he had rented, but now he is buying somewhere. Why would he buy a house if he wants to leave the club?"

well thats another load of bollocks drummed up by the tabloids.

[Roman Abramovich]

It'd be a disaster for United if Ruud left, an absolute disaster. It's just the Sun Printing idle speculation founded on rumours "a source said" me hole!. Ruud's injury proved how toothless we are upfront without him, If United hope to win the league next year then Van Nistlerooy must stay.

Besides the figures being bandied around are ludicrous, £12mill?? United couldn't hope to sign a forward of Ruud's quality for that money, so all this transfer talk is just thAT...........TALK

lamp this........
just re-checking aliadere posts.

[lionelhutz]

ahh the good ol rahsers and tom and yer man rimmer keane, and the sage that is langballdan