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Diego Murphy
12-04-2005, 11:42 PM
from what i've heard it looks like cork seem to be siding with the ulster counties not wanting to open up croke park temporarily. this goes against the rest of munster that seems to be in favour of it. fingers crossed the vote will get through at the weekend
Rebelred
12-04-2005, 11:47 PM
already posted this elsewhere but apparently,the club mandates have been deemed unconstitutional by the County Board(i.e Frank Murphy!),so there will be no vote, i.e,cork delegates will be voting no, against the wishes of the majority of ordinary GAA members in Cork.And while there at that meeting,would they ever rip up the new seats in the uncovered side and throw them away,you wouldnt fit a toddler in them
Diego Murphy
13-04-2005, 12:15 AM
Franco Murphy
in fairness its a load of bullshit what he's doing, what he's seems to be saying is that every single person in the club needs to vote in order to mandate their Representatives. load of cock in fairness, imagine if that was the case in political elections in this country where we do well to get a 60% turnout!
go on the dan
13-04-2005, 08:39 AM
in fairness its a load of bullshit what he's doing, what he's seems to be saying is that every single person in the club needs to vote in order to mandate their Representatives. load of cock in fairness, imagine if that was the case in political elections in this country where we do well to get a 60% turnout!
frank murphy is a bollocks. All of Mid-Cork(Muskerry division) were asked to vote yes by their chairman. At least he has his eyes open and he's in his 60's. Too many old school. Frank Murphy is a bollocks. He has no children, no way of talking to the young people and getting their views. Little old shite.
Rebelred
13-04-2005, 08:57 AM
its crazy.fucker has a rule in the book to wiggle his way out of everything.And John Arnold is more than happy to do all the talking for him,but you'll never hear frank talk about it though!
leeland
13-04-2005, 09:16 AM
Does anyone else read the bloody rule book? Is Franco the only one? The boys at the top are ignoring the will of the membership because it doesn't fit in with their devalera backward Ireland
Lamps
13-04-2005, 09:28 AM
frank murphy is the biggest prick in ireland, someone go on predeville and start up a ruckus.
markinmanc
13-04-2005, 11:57 AM
As I posted on another thread, the FAI and IRFU are allegedly in talks with the Welsh about using the Millenium Stadium.
And whatever GAA types say about the Croke Park issue - it still about hate of 'foreigners' not soccer and rugby.
pudgee
13-04-2005, 12:33 PM
As I posted on another thread, the FAI and IRFU are allegedly in talks with the Welsh about using the Millenium Stadium.
And whatever GAA types say about the Croke Park issue - it still about hate of 'foreigners' not soccer and rugby.
Or, more accurately, Brits.
Diego Murphy
13-04-2005, 12:37 PM
the problem with Franco is that he is actually too clever for his own good. The man will find a loophole in everything. It's frightening to think that he has so much control.
leeland
13-04-2005, 12:38 PM
Nonsense, you have no idea what it's about, you can't just make a throwaway comment saying that it's ant-foreigner, this kind of comment by anti-gaa types is exactly the kind of crap that will see croke park remain closed. The overwhelming majority of gaa members in this country want to help out the irfu and fai, so can we steer clear of this bigoted backwoodman stereotype of gaa people
leeland
13-04-2005, 12:40 PM
The latest stroke Frank and his cronies, Forbes and the boys, have pulled is an absolute disgrace. Can we not send him to the Vatican to sort out the papal succession or something? and he can take those bloody seats in the uncovered stand with him
Langer Dan
13-04-2005, 12:46 PM
I for one am finished with the GAA if , the national Rugby and Soccer teams are forced to play their "Home" games abroad. The Short sightedness and self-interest of these out of touch neanderthals just defies belief.
I for one am finished with the GAA if , the national Rugby and Soccer teams are forced to play their "Home" games abroad. The Short sightedness and self-interest of these out of touch neanderthals just defies belief.
Exactly. And what makes it worse, is that the vast majority of people I know involved in the GAA want to see it opened up.
It's jsut these old fuckers who seem to ahve all the power want to keep it closed.
go on the dan
13-04-2005, 12:56 PM
Exactly. And what makes it worse, is that the vast majority of people I know involved in the GAA want to see it opened up.
It's jsut these old fuckers who seem to ahve all the power want to keep it closed.
DOWN WITH THE OLD FUCKERS
Langer Dan
13-04-2005, 01:01 PM
Exactly. And what makes it worse, is that the vast majority of people I know involved in the GAA want to see it opened up.
It's just these old fuckers who seem to ahve all the power want to keep it closed.
EARRA tis beyond a joke at this point. As far as I understand, two thirds of congress have to support the motion for it to pass.Never going to happen.
That Frank Murphy is some Joke after the player strike and the excuse for a meeting that happened last night. How long before this langer is forced out??
Iv been to most cork home league matches for the last five years, iv been to every Championship match in the hurling and most of the football but those fuckers arn't getting my 40yoyo if they screw the Rugby/Soccer teams.
The sheer revenue lost to the economy by the loss of influx of money from home internationals is reason enough to open it up.Pricks.
hunter
13-04-2005, 01:05 PM
I think this rule 42 is a load of outdated balls!!! should have gone long ago.
and if it's the foreign sports thats the problem, how come there have been a few American Football games in croke park over the last couple of years??
Langer Dan
13-04-2005, 01:10 PM
well having listened top the arguments put forward by both sides, i Can easily say the no camp are talking bollocks.
Whereas the yes camp have put forward a coherent reasonable argument. (temporary, keeping revenue in the economy,). The no camp have put forward a shambolic mess resembling an argument ( loss of GAA sovereignty, nO iNFO). tHESE DINOSAURS are ignoring the wishes of a majority of their association and the public.
But then then again what's new about the GAA pissing on the wishes of the public!??
Christ it makes my blood boil.
smokey
13-04-2005, 01:15 PM
what a shower of langers, I can't believe the soccer and rugby teams will have to go to England because of the GAA
SquareBalls
13-04-2005, 01:27 PM
what a shower of langers, I can't believe the soccer and rugby teams will have to go to England because of the GAA
Hardly "Because of the GAA", If the GAA decide not to help out the FAI and IRFU they might have to get off their arses and do something positive. The GAA developed Croke Park into what it is today without any major disruption to GAA fixtures, there are more games played in Croke Park than in Landsdowne. Could Landsdowne be developed in the same manner.
Hardly "Because of the GAA", If the GAA decide not to help out the FAI and IRFU they might have to get off their arses and do something positive. The GAA developed Croke Park into what it is today without any major disruption to GAA fixtures, there are more games played in Croke Park than in Landsdowne. Could Landsdowne be developed in the same manner.
Once again, I'm forced to stress, the IRFU ARE getting up off their arse and doing something. Hence the need to use croke park for a few years.
Lamps
13-04-2005, 01:32 PM
fuck off squareballs(or is it frank) its a load of bollocks. so the fai and irfu are a shower of shit. the irish public want to support irish teams in their own country and the gaa are the only ones who can see that happen. who gives a fuck if the fai and irfu couldn't organise a piss up in a brewry, we just want to watch and go to games in our own country for a couple of years.
SquareBalls
13-04-2005, 01:35 PM
Once again, I'm forced to stress, the IRFU ARE getting up off their arse and doing something. Hence the need to use croke park for a few years.
I know they are, just pointing out the fact it's not the GAA's fault it's come to this, that's all. A bit of fore sight and ambition might have sorted this one out long ago.
smokey
13-04-2005, 01:37 PM
square ball, its the GAA'S fault, its run by anti English boggers stuck in the 1920's. I'll never set foot in a GAA ground if they don't let them in
Rebelred
13-04-2005, 01:38 PM
the problem with Franco is that he is actually too clever for his own good. The man will find a loophole in everything. It's frightening to think that he has so much control.
I also expect general franco to pull another rabbit out of the hat on saturday and scupper the whole thing!
I know they are, just pointing out the fact it's not the GAA's fault it's come to this, that's all. A bit of fore sight and ambition might have sorted this one out long ago.
They were promised a stadium by the government.
It's not their fault.
SquareBalls
13-04-2005, 01:47 PM
They were promised a stadium by the government.
It's not their fault.
Oh right, let's get onto Bertie then....Everyone can all play in the Bertie's bowl.
Rebelred
13-04-2005, 01:47 PM
what a shower of langers, I can't believe the soccer and rugby teams will have to go to England because of the GAA
have to pull you up just a little bit here smokey.The blame for the IRFU and the fai do not have stadium is due to the shambles of a givernment that we currently have in place,they promised them a new stadium, then, pulled the plug.
Now I'm a die hard gaa man, last weekend i attended four games,training and the local club lotto draw,I eat,drink,sleep GAA.But I,like the majority of people in my club, am in favour of opening up croker to allow other organisations use it if required during the Landsdowne redevelopment.
However,what I do have a problem with is the generalisations being made that "ooh, its all the GAA's fault"...............bollo x, its not the GAA's fault they had the vision,planning and foresight to build one of the finest arenas in Europe,while the IRFU(and the government to a large extent) sat looking at Lansdowne falling into a state of disrepair.Credit for Croker goes to Liam Mulvahill,who has lead the project to its successful completion.
Open it,no problem,i'm all in favour of that, but do not try and land the blame for other peoples shortcomings on the ordinary GAA member!
Bould Tady Quill
13-04-2005, 01:49 PM
what a shower of langers, I can't believe the soccer and rugby teams will have to go to England because of the GAA
hmmm....make no mistake, they may have to go to England/Scotland/Wales to play because they are a shower of inept morons who squandered the substantial revenue they had at their disposal.
SquareBalls
13-04-2005, 01:56 PM
hmmm....make no mistake, they may have to go to England/Scotland/Wales to play because they are a shower of inept morons who squandered the substantial revenue they had at their disposal.
My point exactly. Well made.
Gonzo
13-04-2005, 01:57 PM
If the FAI and the Rugger heads can share facilities, there is no good reason why the G.A.A. cannot at the very least share Croker on a temporary basis.
In this day and age it is ridiclous to hold on to sectarian rules which are frankly out of date and now threaten the overall sporting fortunes of the nation as a whole.
Besides we the tax payers fitted most of the bill for Croker and for Frank Murphy and his cronnies to try and slap us in the face by saying no to soccer, no to Keano and crew, is a joke and they have some nerve.
My point exactly. Well made.
They haven't squandered anything. They were promised a stadium by the government, and had it pulled from under them.
They are now building a stadium, and jsut need somewhere to play while it's being constructed.
And I'm talking about the IRFU here. Everyone knows the FAI are a shower of wasters.
Rebelred
13-04-2005, 01:59 PM
If the FAI and the Rugger heads can share facilities, there is no good reason why the G.A.A. cannot at the very least share Croker on a temporary basis.
In this day and age it is ridiclous to hold on to sectarian rules which are frankly out of date and now threaten the overall sporting fortunes of the nation as a whole.
Besides we the tax payers fitted most of the bill for Croker and for Frank Murphy and his cronnies to try and slap us in the face by saying no to soccer, no to Keano and crew, is a joke and they have some nerve.
urban myth that the tax payer footed "the most" of the bill for croker.The Irfu would be entitled to similar grants when they build lansdowne.
Langer Dan
13-04-2005, 02:03 PM
have to pull you up just a little bit here smokey..
Open it,no problem,i'm all in favour of that, but do not try and land the blame for other peoples shortcomings on the ordinary GAA member!
no one is debating the whole bertie-bowl fiasco and the shambolic handling of the whole affair. The point is that the current fate of home Rugby/Soccer internationals now lie in the GAA's hands and if they turn their backs on the other codes in the face of overwhelming public support then they are utter twats and their summer schedule deserves to be boycotted
leeland
13-04-2005, 02:03 PM
If the FAI and the Rugger heads can share facilities, there is no good reason why the G.A.A. cannot at the very least share Croker on a temporary basis.
In this day and age it is ridiclous to hold on to sectarian rules which are frankly out of date and now threaten the overall sporting fortunes of the nation as a whole.
Besides we the tax payers fitted most of the bill for Croker and for Frank Murphy and his cronnies to try and slap us in the face by saying no to soccer, no to Keano and crew, is a joke and they have some nerve.
No the taxpayer did not foot most of the bill for croker park, i think the figure was something like 115 million and the government ended up getting around 95 million back in vat and tax etc. from the construction, so this tx payer argument is a red herring. The GAA is the biggest sporting organisation in the country and receives money from the government the same as every other sport, if anything it should get more than it does. A large majority of GAA members want to open up teh stadium, i'm all in favour of it, however wheeling out the old anti-gaa stereotypes and prejudices isn't going to help, quite the opposite.
Bould Tady Quill
13-04-2005, 02:05 PM
They haven't squandered anything. They were promised a stadium by the government, and had it pulled from under them.
They are now building a stadium, and jsut need somewhere to play while it's being constructed.
And I'm talking about the IRFU here. Everyone knows the FAI are a shower of wasters.
Both Codes were well ahead of the GAA in terms of gates and structure and revenue back in the day. Im talking back in the day when the GAA was a dirty word. Where did all that money go? Why did they not plan for the future?
Both Codes were well ahead of the GAA in terms of gates and structure and revenue back in the day. Im talking back in the day when the GAA was a dirty word. Where did all that money go? Why did they not plan for the future?
That's Bollocks.
Rugby has never been as popular as GAA in this country.
They've also had to deal with converting from an amateur sport to a professional one in the last 10 years.
Munster reaching 2 Heineken cup finals and Ireland winning a triple crown.
That's where all the money is gone.
SamAdams
13-04-2005, 02:09 PM
urban myth that the tax payer footed "the most" of the bill for croker.The Irfu would be entitled to similar grants when they build lansdowne.
Another point that had to be made.. Your tax dollars most definitely did not cover most of the bill. Anyone got the exact numbers??
As a long term player and club member I'm in favour of opening it up and using the revenue to update the grounds around the country and hopefully improve the game in the schools but..
I just read on examiner.ie that it'll take 20 million to make the ground suitable for rugby and soccer; floodlights and segregating the crowd for soccer (inside and at access points) being the biggest obstacles.
Apparently the demon Bertie that gets the blame for everything has said that they'd get grants for this if it means irfu and fai games are played there.
Bould Tady Quill
13-04-2005, 02:11 PM
That's Bollocks.
Rugby has never been as popular as GAA in this country.
They've also had to deal with converting from an amateur sport to a professional one in the last 10 years.
Munster reaching 2 Heineken cup finals and Ireland winning a triple crown.
That's where all the money is gone.
okay maybe not the rugger as much...but the Soccer defo had huge crowds back in the day
110 million lottery funds
90 million GAA money
10 million actual gvt money
Langer Dan
13-04-2005, 02:13 PM
stop shifting the goalposts. it's as simple as this ,the current fate of Home rugby/Soccer internationals lies in the hands of The Gaa IF they drop the ball on this one ,the damage done to their support and image will be considerable.
okay maybe not the rugger as much...but the Soccer defo had huge crowds back in the day
The FAI are a shower of wasters. The pissed away the money they made.
You can't lump the FAI in with teh IRFU.
It really pisses me off when people do.
Bould Tady Quill
13-04-2005, 02:20 PM
The FAI are a shower of wasters. The pissed away the money they made.
You can't lump the FAI in with teh IRFU.
It really pisses me off when people do.
Noted.
I would also be slower to allow Soccer into Croker for different reasons.
Chief of these being because the FAI unlike the GAA or the IRFU are not an all Island organisation.
Gonzo
13-04-2005, 02:22 PM
The poor G.A.A. argument is complete rubbish. For a start the G.A.A. are being asked to share facilities with their fellow countrymen in an hour of need. Fair enough they are not obligated to do so but they will be paid rent for their facilities.
If they can let in U2 there is no reason why they can't let soccer and rugby in at least on a short term basis.
The rule that is in place to prevent this has its roots in bigotry. On Prenderville this morning a number of local G.A.A. men were saying that the G.A.A. used to suspend members/players who just attended (watched) Rugby/soccer games. They recalled that some members were suspended for attending the Arc and in one case for listening to the Rolling Stones. It is true the G.A.A. is the largest sporting organisation in the country. 750,000 registered members according to the G.A.A. president but in fairness it is time to change.
Bould Tady Quill
13-04-2005, 02:26 PM
The poor G.A.A. argument is complete rubbish. For a start the G.A.A. are being asked to share facilities with their fellow countrymen in an hour of need. Fair enough they are not obligated to do so but they will be paid rent for their facilities.
If they can let in U2 there is no reason why they can't let soccer and rugby in at least on a short term basis.
The rule that is in place to prevent this has its roots in bigotry. On Prenderville this morning a number of local G.A.A. men were saying that the G.A.A. used to suspend members/players who just attended (watched) Rugby/soccer games. They recalled that some members were suspended for attending the Arc and in one case for listening to the Rolling Stones. It is true the G.A.A. is the largest sporting organisation in the country. 750,000 registered members according to the G.A.A. president but in fairness it is time to change.
Well done..youve just described shit that used to go on...well done...you said it was time to change....pity you're about 20 years too late, you could have been a visionary!
Gonzo
13-04-2005, 02:34 PM
No. I was just illustrating the mind-set of the old fossils that supported this rule for so long. Secondly, lottery funds are public funds as they are classed by the government and financial institutions as indirect taxation. So if the figures stated above are correct then the taxpayer did fit the bill for most of Croker.
No. I was just illustrating the mind-set of the old fossils that supported this rule for so long. Secondly, lottery funds are public funds as they are classed by the government and financial institutions as indirect taxation. So if the figures stated above are correct then the taxpayer did fit the bill for most of Croker.
does someone force you to play the lotto? I've heard it described as a tax on stupid people alright. Lotto funds are available to any organistion that applys for them, thast their purpose, they would be available to the FAI if they got up off their arses
Gonzo
13-04-2005, 02:44 PM
True Lotto funds are available to any organisation that applies for them but they are allocated by government representatives. The people who play lotto do not have any say as to where their money goes.
. The people who play lotto do not have any say as to where their money goes.
whats your point?, I pay my TV licence, it doesn't give me the right to tell RTE what to show on TV
Gonzo
13-04-2005, 03:15 PM
The point is that most of the money that payed for the development of Croker is public money. Yet members of the public are not being aloud to avail of the facilities.
Not trying to be petty, but you do to an extent have a say in what is shown on RTE as The Broadcasting Commission of Ireland is there to deal with complaints from the public as to the schedule of RTE. It has frequently intervened in situations were shows that have been deemed unsuitable for children have been shown before the water-shed.
Chips,Peas & Curry
14-04-2005, 05:20 PM
Not a big GAA fan myself but after years of hard work getting the whole Croke Park built and raising the funds etc, I'd be pissed off at having to let that shower of Spastics the FAI walk in to a beautiful stadium after years of sitting around with there thumbs up the arse-holes, the IRFU should be allowed though at least there a professional outfit with good ideas. Love to see soccer in Croker but those langers don't deserve it, shame really!!!
Captain Planet
14-04-2005, 05:24 PM
Not a big GAA fan myself but after years of hard work getting the whole Croke Park built and raising the funds etc, I'd be pissed off at having to let that shower of Spastics the FAI walk in to a beautiful stadium after years of sitting around with there thumbs up the arse-holes, the IRFU should be allowed though at least there a professional outfit with good ideas. Love to see soccer in Croker but those langers don't deserve it, shame really!!!
but thew GAA would benfit from it. Nothing worse than seeing Croker sit idle for loadsa months making no profit. its a world class stadium. show it off
STEVIEG
14-04-2005, 05:56 PM
God point about the FA though-just leaving a bungling assocaition stroll in cause they ain't got their own shit together is asking a lot-i don't agree witht he GAA's thing about losing their identity though but i understand where they are coming from.
langball77
15-04-2005, 12:21 AM
Lads there's an awful lot of shit being said on this thread so far with some people not having a clue. This is a very one sided thread so far. A bit of balance is needed. First of all let me state that I'm for opening Croke Park to let other sports in while Lansdowne is being redeveloped.
The GAA are not forcing the FAI/IRFU to play home games in Britain, both organisations brought this on themselves. All 3 organisations were offered the chance to come together and build a national stadium for each to use. The others pulled out leaving the GAA on its own and the GAA have revamped Croke Park into what it is today, a world class stadium. The only people who will be to blame will be the FAI and IRFU themselves ultimately. You can talk about the governement being at fault as well but ultimately the buck stops with the FAI/IRFU. Croke Park was rebuilt without the need to find alternative venues to host Leinster finals, All Ireland semis and All Ireland finals so why do the FAI and IRFU have to seek alternative venues during the redevelopment of Lansdowne? Why should the GAA take responsibility for this either? The stark reality is that the GAA has spent well in excess of 200 million euro of its own funds on redeveloping Croke Park over what will be – by the time the stadium is finished - a twelve-year period. By contrast, the proposal coming from the FAI/IRFU concerning the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road, suggests that the government pay the lion’s share, that is 160 million of the estimated 250 million cost. And primarily because of the government funding, the project will be done and dusted in a quarter of the time Croke Park took, with the ability to attract income from its ancillary activities happening much earlier than in the GAA’s case. I am aware that the government has contributed financially towards Croke Park, the contribution pales by comparison with the proposed contribution to the Lansdowne project. And it bears remembering that the redevelopment of Croke Park was well underway before the government decided that it was worthy of notice. Unlike the other organisations, the GAA did not have the government getting into discussion with it at the outset, with a view to bearing the bulk of the ensuing financial burden.
If it just boils down to the fact that it is such a disgrace that Irish teams have to play their home games in Britain then why not use Dalymount, Thomond Park etc? If this is the crux of the matter, then there is no need to take Irish teams to Britain to play their home games when there are other venues available. Granted capacity is greatly reduced and there's a loss of income etc but if you want to argue that it is a disgrace that Irish teams are "forced" across the water to play home games then here's an alternatives. Some people need to get a grip here, laying the blame solely on the doorstep of the GAA. The GAA owes the IRFU and the FAI nothing.
People harp on about the fact that concerts, American football, boxing etc has been allowed to take place in the past in Croke Park. The difference here is that the GAA is not in competition with each of these. It is in direct competition with soccer and rugby however when it comes to attracting people to play and attracting spectators. I realise you could say that it is not other sports that the likes of the GAA are in direct competition with but the likes of playstations, drink, tv etc and this is a valid argument however you can't deny that the GAA are still competing primarily against soccer and rugby in terms of viewership/attendances and players. At the end of the day, the GAA/IRFU and FAI are businesses and you don't want to give your competitors an edge without getting the best possible deal secured for your organisation 1st. The reality is that showcasing rugby and soccer at our premier stadium will be promoting rival organisations to the GAA. They have to make sure that they're not in any way compromised and that they can get as much for themselves out of the bargain before agreeing to open Croke Park.
Another fact that was briefly alluded to is that if Croke Park is opened, with a lot of internationals taking place over the winter months, floodlights are going to have to be installed. Added to this is the fact that Croke Park will have to comply with UEFA regulations before any soccer internationals can take place. The Hill is a terrace so this will be redundant and also segration of fans will be an issue. Croke Park was not designed with this in mind and as a result you can walk from the Cusack stand for instance under the main stand and gain access to the Hill and other stands. Money is going to have ot be made available to make the necessary changes to comply with UEFA inspections. Where is this money going to come from? Why should the GAA be forced to shoulder the burden of these costs?
I realise I'm contradicting myself by saying this thread was very one sided and then going on to post a one sided post of my own but I was only trying to balance out some of the argument to highlight where some of the thinking within the GAA is coming from. As I say I'm for the opening of Croke Park and I think the Yes vote will pass on Sat although admittedly it will be tight but I think we should lay off placing the blame squarely on the door of the GAA for the mess that the IRFU and FAI find themselves in now.
Incidentally are Ireland are due to play France on Sep 7th? If this is the case and a Yes vote is passed we have major problems already as the hurling final is due to be played on Sep 11th. Having an international soccer game played on the same pitch 4 days before the hurling final is not feasible. The pitch has to be in immaculate condition for hurling to take place on it, more so than say soccer and to a lesser extent Gaelic football. Either the hurling final will have to be shifted forward a week or the soccer international move back a week so that the hurling takes place before the soccer. No doubt this has been spotted by both the FAI and GAA at this stage.
MonTheHoops
15-04-2005, 12:26 AM
Nail hit firmly on head there langball. The FAI especially are guilty of squandering their millions expecting the governement to bail them out. You just need to look at South Korea/Japan to see how a world class stadium can be built with the least of burdens on the financial side of things.
Langer Dan
15-04-2005, 02:42 PM
I couldn't care less if you feel the Fault is FAI's/IRFU's .thats not what is being voted on this weekend. You're completely changing the subject. The fact of the matter is that The majority of the Association(213 fOR, 78 OPPOSED AND 44 undecided) wish to have Rule 42 changed to allow the temporary use of Croke Park.
yet in cork we have a situation where a small clique are imposing their will(thru a technicality) on the majority. Cork are the only county in the republic to state their intention of retaining the status quo and to do so in the face of an overwhelming yes vote among cork club delegates is a disgrace. That Cork's eleven votes are going in the no camp in direct opposition to the will of the clubs is very very wrong.
The point is that most of the money that payed for the development of Croker is public money. Yet members of the public are not being aloud to avail of the facilities.
Not trying to be petty, but you do to an extent have a say in what is shown on RTE as The Broadcasting Commission of Ireland is there to deal with complaints from the public as to the schedule of RTE. It has frequently intervened in situations were shows that have been deemed unsuitable for children have been shown before the water-shed.
what are you on about? the public are not allowed to avail of the facilties? is something/one stopping you going to match?
Every Political party is funded by the state. So are voluntary and community groups, not to mention a whole range of other sporting/cultural and state bodies across the country. That doesn't mean that these bodies have to take the opinions of the entire public into account when making their decisions.
You would ya
15-04-2005, 03:05 PM
I wreckon they should hold of 5 years or more from building a new lansdowne road. If you wait that long then maybe it might be long enough for the die hard gaa heads to die out and maybe the rule will be chucked out
MonTheHoops
15-04-2005, 03:14 PM
I couldn't care less if you feel the Fault is FAI's/IRFU's .thats not what is being voted on this weekend. You're completely changing the subject. The fact of the matter is that The majority of the Association(213 fOR, 78 OPPOSED AND 44 undecided) wish to have Rule 42 changed to allow the temporary use of Croke Park.
I would also like to see Croker open and events in Cork are a disgrace, not because its being voted against but because grass roots clubs are having no say.
Still, it shouldn't even be coming to a vote. Both organisations should have gotten their arses in gear before now.
Chips,Peas & Curry
16-04-2005, 03:12 PM
I wreckon they should hold of 5 years or more from building a new lansdowne road. If you wait that long then maybe it might be long enough for the die hard gaa heads to die out and maybe the rule will be chucked out
I think the GAA would like the IRFU/FAI to have Lansdowne revamped asap because when thats finished it would be a good idea to let major games ie All Ireland Finals/Semi-Finals, big Rugby and Soccer matches be played at Croker, then play the smaller games at Lansdowne.
Langer Dan
16-04-2005, 04:17 PM
i'T'S going to be a secret ballot, SO according to news reports this means the no camp are gonna win(no 2/3 majority) as a Show of hands would be more favourable for the yes camps cause.
Tossers the lot of em!
Jim Comic
10-12-2005, 05:05 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/2005/1210/crokepark1.html
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