Confederate Flag..To Ban or Not To Ban??

[Out da Lough Like]

Those crazy looney lefties (Joe Moore) in the Socialist "Workers" Party have called on the GAA to ban the Confederate Flag from GAA grounds on the basis that it is "racist," and "Celebrates slavery." They want the flags to be confiscated from Cork supporters upon entry into Croke Park.


Now as you are all no doubt aware, I have an open mind on these matters, but what do ye think of this latest hare brained suggestion by these stinking commie politically correct fuckers?


Here is the aforementioned flag:


http://www.asbandeiras.hpg. ig.com.br/mundo/07estunidconfed1860. JPG

[northmallexile]

Yeah. Fuck it. Ban the thing. Maybe then people will show a bit of imagination.

[pudgee]

Agreed - usen't Germany have a falg with red and white on it? Let's use that instead.

[shamalive]

Fuckin crackpots.

[ho chi feen]

Flying the confederate flag at GAA is like flying the french flag at Tolka Park.

Why?

[ho chi feen]

Agreed - usen't Germany have a falg with red and white on it? Let's use that instead.

Not too sure about that, but maybe they had a flag that fits that description?

[Out da Lough Like]

Flying the confederate flag at GAA is like flying the freanch flag at Tolka Park.

Why?


Rebels

The South

Red

General LEE

[shamalive]

Poeple will fly any flag with a bit of red in it,
it's not supporting anything but Cork,
just means they're too scabby to go out and buy a real Cork flag..

Does this honestly offend anyone?
And if so, why are you allowed out in public?

[pudgee]

I've never liked it, mainly because it's red and blue.

Blue people. Not White.

[waylander]

who realy cares if they bring Dixie flags? The confederecy is gone so why all the fuss?

Anyway, isn't the idea of adopting other cultures/nationalities/causes/and symbols an age old one... Shit even the irish flag is not our own.. We stole it from the rebels of the french revolution... ( or at least de Valera did )

The old flag was the gold harp on a field of dark green...

[northmallexile]

Just to stir the shit a bit...

http://www.mobilization2-21.com/image4.gif

[waylander]

I think she might be a lucky flag... Even though they rebs lost.. hell they always do.. but still, it has 13 stars and thats a highly lucky number..

am I right ar what , like...

[chipsncheese]

tell the socialist party to fxxkoff..its a cork flag and thats all about it.i have a flag with 4 flags stitched together(the spanish,welsh,confed erate and the german).i dont have it on a pole but might bring it up with me now and have it around the ol shoulders

[Loftydog]

Fuck em....its a cork tradition now....it dont mean anything by it

[pudgee]

tell the socialist party to fxxkoff..its a cork flag and thats all about it.i have a flag with 4 flags stitched together(the spanish,welsh,confed erate and the german).i dont have it on a pole but might bring it up with me now and have it around the ol shoulders

It's not the Socialist Party, it's the Socialist Workers Party - there is a difference.

And how on Earth is it a Cork flag?

[chipsncheese]

It's not the Socialist Party, it's the Socialist Workers Party


----well whatever the party is....


And how on Earth is it a Cork flag?-----------red and white

[northmallexile]

Hey look, this is in red and white too...

http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/uv/images/ugly_whitepower.jpg

[pudgee]

I've said it already - it's red and blue.

And another thing I've already said - the Third reich flag was red and white - why not wave that?
The George's Cross and the St Patricks Cross are red and white - why not wave them?

And Loftydog - 'it's tradition' means nothing.

Harecoursing is tradition.

Badger baiting is tradition.

Homophobia is tradition.

[BagaTaytos]

Hey look, this is in red and white too...

http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/uv/images/ugly_whitepower.jpg

Seanie White and Jimmy Power are on the Minor team biy!

[waylander]

And Loftydog - 'it's tradition' means nothing.

Harecoursing is tradition.

Badger baiting is tradition.

YES they are and there good traditions too....

Just like the NEW cork flag..

[chipsncheese]

I've said it already - it's red and blue.

.


with a bit of white..........

why dont u like the flag????

[BlarneyStoned]

I love the Rebel south flag!!
Great to see it flying at matches.
Its got feck all to do with racism its just a not so subtle piss take to them yankees up in Dublin!!
Does that gimp moore actaully get paid?

[pudgee]

with a bit of white..........

why dont u like the flag????

Because of what it represents.

[chipsncheese]

Because of what it represents.


people in cork just bring it to matches cos of the red and white in it......nothing else.

[northmallexile]

I love the Rebel south flag!!
Great to see it flying at matches.
Its got feck all to do with racism its just a not so subtle piss take to them yankees up in Dublin!!
Does that gimp moore actaully get paid?

It's got plenty to do with racism. You can't just turn a blind eye to it and say, 'Oh well, it's not racist when we fly it.'

[chipsncheese]

why bring the racism bit up now after all these years.its being flying at cork matches for over 20 yrs

[shamalive]

people in cork just bring it to matches cos of the red and white in it......nothing else.


Exactly, this thread is just so fuckin typical...

[chipsncheese]

Exactly, this thread is just so fuckin typical...


what!!!

[pudgee]

Exactly, this thread is just so fuckin typical...

I blame the parents.
Typical of what?

[northmallexile]

why bring the racism bit up now after all these years.its being flying at cork matches for over 20 yrs

I'd like to think that it's because people are starting to cop on...

[shamalive]

what!!!


I was agreeing with you,
and saying this thread is so typical in reference to the

"Oh it's racist comment".

Fuckin PC gone mad.

[chipsncheese]

I was agreeing with you,
and saying this thread is so typical in reference to the

"Oh it's racist comment".

Fuckin PC gone mad.


sorry

[pudgee]

I was agreeing with you,
and saying this thread is so typical in reference to the

"Oh it's racist comment".

Fuckin PC gone mad.

You are Paul Dacre and I claim my Caribbean cruise with Robert Kilroy Silk.

[shamalive]

BTW - the people who are in favour of the flag being banned...

Would you also be in favour of banning street protests etc etc etc...

Cop on to fuck, people can fly any flag they want in this country, without having to justify what it represents to them.
And in all fairness, the reality of it is that its always been flown at Cork matches because it contains both red and white, nothing more.

[northmallexile]

I was agreeing with you,
and saying this thread is so typical in reference to the

"Oh it's racist comment".

Fuckin PC gone mad.

Actually what's more typical these days is people trying to defend something inherently racist by blaming it on the PC brigade.

It's like saying, 'I'm not racist, but...'

[shamalive]

You are Paul Dacre and I claim my Caribbean cruise with Robert Kilroy Silk.


Sorry, no free cruises for the loony left...

Yawn.

[chipsncheese]

And in all fairness, the reality of it is that its always been flown at Cork matches because it contains both red and white, nothing more.



A-fuckin -MEN!!!!!

[How bad boy]

I've seen this one there too (was taking the piss in the other thread of a fairly serious subject)
http://www.signspecialist.c om/decals/popular2/images/japanese_flag.gif

Which has extremely negative connoctations from WW2. I mean the military flag of Japan, not exactly a nice bunch of lads in WW2.
It was removed from all military after WW2 as far as I remember from history, apparently the asian swastika...

[shamalive]

It's like I said, Cork people will fly ANY flag they have with red and white on it,
it doesnt matter what it represents or where its from,

until it offends the lefties/ pc brigade that is...

[pudgee]

It's like I said, Cork people will fly ANY flag they have with red and white on it,
it doesnt matter what it represents or where its from,

until it offends the lefties that is...

So would you wave a Third Reich Flag?
Or a Cross of St Patrick?

[northmallexile]

It's like I said, Cork people will fly ANY flag they have with red and white on it,
it doesnt matter what it represents or where its from,

until it offends the lefties/ pc brigade that is...

Do you seriously think people would fly the Nazi flag?
Or the Union Jack?
Or the St. George's Cross?

[shamalive]

Do you seriously think people would fly the Nazi flag?


Do you serisously think Cork people will have a Nazi flag lying around at home?

[northmallexile]

Do you serisously think Cork people will have a Nazi flag lying around at home?

So, what, they would if it was readily available?

[Eau Rouge]

Why would anyone going to a Cork match wave anything but the Cork flag?
We'll leave aside the question of why people even have these flags in the first place, they are clearly not Cork flags. It's not like the Cork flag is particularly hard to create or anything.
If your going to a Cork match, and want to wave a flag, then wave a Cork flag.

I like the cheek of the SWP to imply that anyone at a Cork match that has that flag is a racist. Thats just a load of shite. They may be a bit slow in the uptake, and not realise they don't have a Cork flag with them, but that doesn't make them racist, and to say it does is both an insult to them, and the sort of idiotic statement that gives people the idea that fighting racism is somehow silly and uneccessary. Langer.

[shamalive]

So, what, they would if it was readily available?


So, what, it's readily available in Cork is it?

[northmallexile]

Why would anyone going to a Cork match wave anything but the Cork flag?
We'll leave aside the question of why people even have these flags in the first place, they are clearly not Cork flags. It's not like the Cork flag is particularly hard to create or anything.
If your going to a Cork match, and want to wave a flag, then wave a Cork flag.

I like the cheek of the SWP to imply that anyone at a Cork match that has that flag is a racist. Thats just a load of shite. They may be a bit slow in the uptake, and not realise they don't have a Cork flag with them, but that doesn't make them racist, and to say it does is both an insult to them, and the sort of idiotic statement that gives people the idea that fighting racism is somehow silly and uneccessary. Langer.

Well, yeah. That's very true. Which is why there needs to be a greater recognition of what exactly the flag represents and why debates like this are very valuable. It's all part of the process.

[northmallexile]

So, what, it's readily available in Cork is it?

Well, no. But you seem to be saying that Cork people will fly any flag so long as it's got red and white in it. I'm asking whether you think that if people were able to get their hands on a Nazi flag they'd fly it at matches because, 'sure, it's got red and white in it, boy. The old blood and bandage. Tradition, like.'

[the puerto rican feen]

The Charge of the PC Brigade !!!!



Flying the confederate Flag, should we not ban the American Flag too !!!



FUCK YOU PC BRIGADE !!!

[shamalive]

Well, no. But you seem to be saying that Cork people will fly any flag so long as it's got red and white in it. I'm asking whether you think that if people were able to get their hands on a Nazi flag they'd fly it at matches because, 'sure, it's got red and white in it, boy. The old blood and bandage. Tradition, like.'


Maybe I'm didn't make myself clear,
what I meant was that Cork people, going to GAA matches, and who are too scabby to buy a Cork flag, will generally use any flag (containing red and white) that they have at home,
now, the flags you've mentioned, which may be obviously and universally offensive will not in my opinion be flown - for reason 1 stated above and reason 2 that I'm guessing 99.99% of Corkonions wont have those flags lying around at home.

People who are overly sensitive, may get offended by certain flags, but the vast majority of folks take them at face value, and realise, that the bearers of said flags, mean nothing more than to fly some red and white in support of Cork.

[pudgee]

Maybe I'm didn't make myself clear,
what I meant was that Cork people, going to GAA matches, and who are too scabby to buy a Cork flag, will generally use any flag (containing red and white) that they have at home,
now, the flags you've mentioned, which may be obviously and universally offensive will not in my opinion be flown - for reason 1 stated above and reason 2 that I'm guessing 99.99% of Corkonions wont have those flags lying around at home.

People who are overly sensitive, may get offended by certain flags, but the vast majority of folks take them at face value, and realise, that the bearers of said flags, mean nothing more than to fly some red and white in support of Cork.

Completely disingenous argument.

[shamalive]

Completely disingenous argument.


Complete non argument.

[macuísle]

It doesn't bother me but then I'm not an African-American.
The Red Hand of Ulster flag doesn't bother me and I am a fenian.
The Union Jack does bother me and I'd shimmy up the flagpole to rip it down with my teeth if it ever flew in a park in the 26.

So it's all a matter of perspective and experience.

[northmallexile]

It doesn't bother me but then I'm not an African-American.
The Red Hand of Ulster flag doesn't bother me and I am a fenian.
The Union Jack does bother me and I'd shimmy up the flagpole to rip it down with my teeth if it ever flew in a park in the 26.

So it's all a matter of perspective and experience.

How about the car park outside Cork Airport?

[macuísle]

Yeah. I've been meaning to get over there.
I actually recall some talk about forcing them to remove it but Cork County Council are weak party boys that can't be arsed.

[Pissmonkey]

It doesn't bother me but then I'm not an African-American.
The Red Hand of Ulster flag doesn't bother me and I am a fenian.
The Union Jack does bother me and I'd shimmy up the flagpole to rip it down with my teeth if it ever flew in a park in the 26.
.

What would you do if you had toothache?

[macuísle]

I'd ask you to piss on it monkey.

[Pissmonkey]

I'd ask you to piss on it monkey.

I hope its a short flagpole, i've problems 'down there'.

[macuísle]

Oh Sorry. Sorry to bring up any shortcomings.


Love ya anyways.

[TUPAC AMARU]

I've seen this one there too (was taking the piss in the other thread of a fairly serious subject)
http://www.signspecialist.c om/decals/popular2/images/japanese_flag.gif

Which has extremely negative connoctations from WW2. I mean the military flag of Japan, not exactly a nice bunch of lads in WW2.
It was removed from all military after WW2 as far as I remember from history, apparently the asian swastika...

Not a nice bunch of lads!!!! Who the f*ck started dropping nukes during WW2.

TORA,TORA,TORA

[Eau Rouge]

Not a nice bunch of lads!!!! Who the f*ck started dropping nukes during WW2.

No, not a nice bunch of lads at all. Quite a horrific, unbelievably cruel, sick, twisted, bunch of fuckers to be precise.
What the other side got up to doesn't change the fact the Japenese military got up to some seriously evil things.

[TUPAC AMARU]

No, not a nice bunch of lads at all. Quite a horrific, unbelievably cruel, sick, twisted, bunch of fuckers to be precise.
What the other side got up to doesn't change the fact the Japenese military got up to some seriously evil things.

Dude, fair enough the nips were a cruel bunch of bastards but the yanks were the first nation to use true weapons of mass destruction on civilian populations far removed from the field of battle.

Well that and the firebombing of Dresden.

[Eau Rouge]

I know, but it doesn't excuse anything the Japanese did, not one damn thing.
It is possible to think both sides are wrong, there doesn't have to be a right in these things.
Whatever you think of the Americans in the war, the Japanese were still evil and unbelievably cruel, and waving that flag at a Cork match is simply stupid.
It's stupid if you wave it for no other reason than it's red and white, becuase frankly, what are you doing with a flag of such a brutal bunch of fucks in the first place.
If you wave it because you like what it represents, then you have problems.

[shamalive]

Well I'm heading off up to Dublin there in a few mins,

looking fwd to the match tomorrow, and a piss up tonight.

Oh and yeah, I'll do my best to find an old confederate flag somewhere,
just for the sake of pudgee and the rest of the PC brigade.

Thread so far, 65% have no problem with it, thank gawd the PC brigade are in the minority...

C'mon the rebels.

[Eau Rouge]

Go on then, take your non-Cork flag. Stand amongst the Cork fans, and have everyone in the country look at you, and wonder who the stupid American is.

If your going to take a Confederate flag you may as well take a Wexford flag.

[tex]

Oh gimme a break!

That flag's been flying at Cork matches as long as I've been going - while we're at it PC people why don't we ban the term rebels as well (that's a term associated with the Confederacy also) in case it's use offend the many residents of the PROC who are decended from those taken into slavery to work on the notorious cotton plantations of Ballygarvan.

[Eau Rouge]

For the record, and I've already posted this, the idea of banning the confederate flag on the grounds of racism make no sense at all, and I've already branded the langer who said that, a langer.
You don't have to be in the PC brigade to think the Confederate flag has no place at Cork match.
You just need to realise that it's not a Cork flag. It's not even red and white. It's red and blue. Cork flags are easy to come by, and easy to make. There is no need to go using fake substitutes. Fly the real Cork flag, and be proud of where you come from. Stop hiding behind some Red and Blue thing that has as much to do with Cork as a Wexford flag.

[ho chi feen]

I'll be flying my cross of saint george...

[tex]

You just need to realise that it's not a Cork flag. It's not even red and white. It's red and blue.

With white stars...

[aahjay]

hmmm lets see. Israel Cohen wrote this about the communist party could reach it's objectives in the US in 1912.

“We must realise that our party’s most powerful weapon is racial tension. By pounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the Whites, we can mould them to our program. The terms ‘colonialism’ and ‘imperialism’ must be featured in our propaganda. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the Whites, we will endeavour to instil in the Whites a guilt complex for exploiting the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sport and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negroes will be able to intermarry with the Whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause”.

‘A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century’, published in 1912.

Now if Mr Moore knew his history he might not be so smart.

Tis only a flag with red in it fer f*ck sake Joe

[cleburne]

http://www.exterminationist .com/cork.htm (http://)

On this topic you might look at that link

Racism is why the Jews are the most powerful group on earth and if its ok to have a Jewish state ,lets have an Aryan state for the Irish after all the country is named after the Aryans.

The reds are anti white racists ,but anti white racism is pc.

Patrick Ronayne Cleburne, Major General Born March 17, 1828 at Bridgepark Cottage on River Bride, County Cork, Ireland Killed November 30, 1864 at Franklin TN Buried Helena AR
http://www.exterminationist .com/corkman.jpg

[Out da Lough Like]

I'd like if someone could attempt to point out just why the lag is deemed to be "racist."

The Cork fans also fly the Canadian Flag, (The Flag of the territory that used to be populated by the Inuit and Native American, prior to their extermination by the European Settlers) and the Turkish flag.


http://ted.examiner.ie/archives/images/shead_990913.jpg

[ho chi feen]

Ireland was named for the Aryans? Do you have any idea what you're on about? Well obviously not, going from your first statement there.

Iran was named for the Aryans. Ireland was not. The Indo-European word "ar" only sounds like "éir" - they're not related.

I thought there was an innocuous connection between 'Eireann' and 'Aryan', in much the same way 'Iran' is derrived... Aryan is hardly such a dirty word, aside from the fact that it's been missapropriated throughout history.

[pudgee]

I thought there was an innocuous connection between 'Eireann' and 'Aryan', in much the same way 'Iran' is derrived... Aryan is hardly such a dirty word, aside from the fact that it's been missapropriated throughout history.

Why is this still being debated when you could be sending abusive messages to anti-Semite boy?

[ho chi feen]

But I'll accept your authority, Skippy. ;)

[ho chi feen]

Why is this still being debated when you could be sending abusive messages to anti-Semite boy?

I wouldn't consider the initial post worrthy of a response.

We've had this before, davidirving/cro/seumas, etc.. very tiresome.

[the puerto rican feen]

I'd like if someone could attempt to point out just why the lag is deemed to be "racist."

The Cork fans also fly the Canadian Flag, (The Flag of the territory that used to be populated by the Inuit and Native American, prior to their extermination by the European Settlers) and the Turkish flag.


http://ted.examiner.ie/archives/images/shead_990913.jpg


Flying "Lags", wonders will never cease !


Should we also ban the John 3:16/3:6 whatever, as millions of people have been killed in the name of the religion that this comes from ? \

I find it offensive

[MachinadeBizarre]

wow! what a charged thread.

i agree that it all has to do with perspective & experience. the flag doesn't offend me, but it'd drive southern american black folks crazy. the japanese flag wouldn't be allowed in my fathers house (he fought WWII). the swastika represents something entirely different in india.

should it be banned? i don't know. if they are flying it for color, maybe someone should just start selling more cork flags. if someones flying it for hate, personally, i'd like to know what people are thinking. let them wear their badges & come out in public. i'd rather know a hate monger is just that, rather than have him hide in silence.

[WestCorkLanger]

Rebel Country ..... rebel flag, I dunno, ya know but I'm pretty sure thats main reason why its flown at match, oh and the red, wouldn't really work if it was orange or something.

[macuísle]

Flying "Lags", wonders will never cease !


Should we also ban the John 3:16/3:6 whatever, as millions of people have been killed in the name of the religion that this comes from ? \

I find it offensive


Who are those guys anyway? Is it like a club with members all over the world? And please don't respond "yes, it's a club called Christianity". I don't like those guys their pushy.

[MachinadeBizarre]

Rebel Country ..... rebel flag, I dunno, ya know but I'm pretty sure thats main reason why its flown at match, oh and the red, wouldn't really work if it was orange or something.

bOOm!

[markinmanc]

Most flags in themselves are neutral. exceptions being the flag of Isreal and some Islamic states which have specifically religious symbols on them.
Flags are associated and/or appropriated by groups.

In the American context the Confederate represents the 13 pro-slavery states who opted out of the Union. In Cork it represents a very lame pun on the Rebel county.

Unless it represents an incitement to hatred, then imho there is no reason for it to be removed. The beliefs that lay behind the Confederate and 'Rising Sun' flags have little modern currency.
The beliefs that pledge alliance to the Swastika are still current - and dangerous.

Band the Confederate flag and what next? The Basque flag? The rainbow flag?
And as for taking offence against the Union Jack - we are an independent nation now - if we are afraid or riled up by a flag it shows us to be very immature.

[Alsace Hebert]

Good day my fine Irish friends!

We are having this very discussion on the other side of the pond
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=121 6444&posted=1#post1216444
and ya’ll are welcome to join.

The Design of the Confederate Battle Flag Has a Glorious History of Both Celtic and Christian Heritage
http://www.truthinhistory.o rg/flag.htm

Everything you wanted to know about the Confederate flag
Alsace Hebert
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/sho...1&postcount=361

Courtesy of :
www.stormfront.org/
www.stormfront.org/forum

[optimus]

<p>fuck off wum</p>
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[Alsace Hebert]

fuck off wum
optimus

Now, now!

That is not a very warm welcome my Irish brethren.

[optimus]

<p>trust me you nazi fuck im no brother of yours</p>
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[da feen]

Some feens here claim that we should all have the cork flag and just fly that... way better when you have all the different red flags. I like that big japanese one with the red and white stripes coming out fromthe centre. Would not be nearly as colourful if we all had the same flag. And anyway all the pc shit can go way to far. Like now you cant but gollywogs cas they are racist. I never knew that when I had one and I turned out ok.

[MachinadeBizarre]

fucking hell. a neo nazi boot boy.
shouldn't you be in your trailer, turning your children into hate machines?

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[Russell Jones]

Rebels

The South

Red

General LEE

Joe Mac and the DIXIES

[cit_gym_rat]

Why ban it, should we ban the japan flag from games two because obviously on the way home from croke park we will be invading the phippins

[Charles De Gowl]

Alright feens, a quick history of the Southern Cross followed by the House of Representatives resolution of the issue. Interesting enough.

The best-known of all Confederate flags—the battle flag—is often erroneously confused with the national flag of the Confederacy. The battle flag features the cross of St. Andrew (the apostle was martyred by being crucified on an X-shaped cross), and is commonly called the "Southern Cross." A large degree of the Southern population was of Scottish and Scotch-Irish ancestry, and thus familiar with St. Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland. The stars represented the eleven states actually in the Confederacy, plus Kentucky and Missouri. This flag is the flap popularly associated with Robert E. Lee, and is the flag under which he fought.




House Resolution 466
HRES 466 IH

106th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. RES. 466

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives with regard to the continued display of Confederate flags.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

April 6, 2000

Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi (for himself, Mr. HILLIARD, Ms. MILLENDER-MCDONALD, Mr. JACKSON of Illinois, Mrs. MEEKS of Florida, Mr. OWENS, Ms. CARSON, Ms. KILPATRICK, Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas, Mrs. JONES of Ohio, Mr. CLAY, Mr. WYNN, Mr. PAYNE, Ms. BROWN of Florida, Mr. DIXON, Mr. RUSH, Mr. MALONEY of Connecticut, Mr. CUMMINGS, Mr. ENGEL, Mr. DAVIS of Illinois, Mr. TOWNS, Mr. MEEKS of New York, Ms. MCKINNEY, Mr. WEXLER, Ms. LEE, Mr. FROST, Mr. FILNER, and Mr. RANGEL) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

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RESOLUTION

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives with regard to the continued display of Confederate flags.

Whereas in his 1861 speech entitled `Slavery the Cornerstone of the Confederacy', Alexander H. Stephens, the Vice President of the Confederate States of America stated, `The prevailing ideas entertained by [Thomas Jefferson] and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. . . . Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery--subordination to the superior race--is his natural and normal condition';

Whereas article 1, section 9, clause 4 of the Constitution of the Confederate States of America provides that `[n]o bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed';

Whereas article 4, section 3, clause 3 of that Constitution provides that `n all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and the territorial government';

Whereas the pledge of allegiance to the Confederate flag states, `I salute the Confederate Flag, with affection, reverence, and undying devotion to the cause for which it stands';

Whereas the first, second, and third official Confederate flags, the Confederate Navy Jack, and the Confederate battle flag are all direct representations of the Confederacy and its documented advocacy of the subordination of people of African descent through the perpetuation of the slave trade;

Whereas many white supremacist groups recognize the inherently racist implications of the flag and frequently use it as a historically significant representation of their present day desire to strip nonwhites, frequently through wanton acts of violence, of the rights guaranteed them by the United States Constitution and relegate them to the position of noncitizens and, in some cases, nonhumans;

Whereas the State of Georgia has introduced legislation to remove the Confederate flag from its official State flag;

Whereas the Civil War is the most divisive domestic insurrection in our shared national history and continues to be a culturally polemic issue among many segments of the American population; and

Whereas the Confederacy was defeated in its attempt to destroy the United States of America by tearing the Nation apart: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives does not support, condone, or encourage the use or display of the first, second, or third official Confederate flag, the Confederate Navy Jack, or the Confederate battle flag (more commonly know as the `Southern Cross') for any reason other than as a historic reminder of the secession of the Confederate States, which prompted the violent, bloody, and divisive Civil War, and of the Confederacy's flagrant disregard for the equality of all Americans in accordance with the United States Constitution and in the eyes of God.







[i]END

[Out da Lough Like]

Wow, look what my thread started!

In my own humble opinion, the use of the flag at matches is fine. I have no problem with it.

By the way, what do people think of the Royal Dublin Society, (RDS) the Royal Cork Yacht Club (RCYC) The Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI) and the Royal College of Surgeons? Should we rename them now?

[pudgee]

Wow, look what my thread started!

In my own humble opinion, the use of the flag at matches is fine. I have no problem with it.

By the way, what do people think of the Royal Dublin Society, (RDS) the Royal Cork Yacht Club (RCYC) The Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI) and the Royal College of Surgeons? Should we rename them now?

I think we should actually - although there's not much we can do about the RNLI.

True story: When Diana died, a friend of my dads was admiral of the RCYC.
Some members proposed they fly the flag at half mast.

"Why would we do that?" said my dad's friend.

"Well, we are the Royal Cork Yacht Club," replies a particularly snooty West Brit type.

"Yeah, like the Royal Showband" answers my dad's friend.

Debate over.

[Out da Lough Like]

I think we should actually - although there's not much we can do about the RNLI.

True story: When Diana died, a friend of my dads was admiral of the RCYC.
Some members proposed they fly the flag at half mast.

"Why would we do that?" said my dad's friend.

"Well, we are the Royal Cork Yacht Club," replies a particularly snooty West Brit type.

"Yeah, like the Royal Showband" answers my dad's friend.

Debate over.

We flew the Tricolour at half mast when the Queen Mother died. What do ye think of that?

[pudgee]

Absolutely fucking appalling.
Genuinely wrong.

Fuckin hell, we can be an awful little bunch of house niggers, can't we?

[ho chi feen]

Good day my fine Irish friends!

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Sling it, Cunto.

[macuísle]

Absolutely fucking appalling.
Genuinely wrong.

Fuckin hell, we can be an awful little bunch of house niggers, can't we?


Pudgee you puzzle me but I like that in a man so riddle me this...

How do you define you're nationality? Are you an Irishman, a Nationalist in exile or are you an Irishman, another economic refugee? Or do you consider yourself a freeman? Or, and be very very careful about this...an englishman in training?

And yes. And if the free state are house niggers RTÉ is Uncle Tom.

[pudgee]

Pudgee you puzzle me but I like that in a man so riddle me this...

How do you define you're nationality? Are you an Irishman, a Nationalist in exile or are you an Irishman, another economic refugee? Or do you consider yourself a freeman? Or, and be very very careful about this...an englishman in training?

And yes. And if the free state are house niggers RTÉ is Uncle Tom.

Mácuisle, Frank O Connor once said 'an Irishman's private life begins at Holyhead'.

It's an odd one to define - I don't see myself as an economic refugee, as, to be honest, I could probably have got a job at home.

The person of most Irish people my age here is very different from that of those who came over in the 80s, and before.
By and large, we're here by choice, and, thanks to Michael O Leary, can go home pretty much anytime we want. So we're certainly not refugees.

Because of this choice, and freedom of travel, we tend not to get as misty-eyed as some of the old fellas do about the old country, and so don't feel the need to congregate together, as they did, worried about losing our identity. We probably integrate into English society a lot faster (that said, I do have a large amount of Irish friends).
We're not worried about being 'Englishmen in waiting' cos we are a lot more confident about who we are and what we're doing here than we would've been in times past. We're Irish. Full stop.

That answer your question?

[Out da Lough Like]

We're Irish. Full stop.


Fucking traitor, and there was me thinking all along that you were from Cork.

[Russell Jones]

The thing that annoys me most about republicans is their perception that they have some kind of monopoly on Irish identity or that their's is somehow more worthy. I don't mind it so much from people across the border because it goes with the territory, but when you meet republican farmers from north Tipp or somewhere lecturing you about your country and shite, well, it bugs me. I'd be far happier with them if they paid their fuckin taxes.

[macuísle]

Fair enough. Thanks for that. Good answer and understood 100%.




The only reason I ask is that when I lived in the states, keeping in mind I, with the exception of a summer in Boston, never lived on the East Coast never, ever felt at home. I wanted to desperately but I always felt like a foreigner which is ironic as I was born in California.

[pudgee]

Fucking traitor, and there was me thinking all along that you were from Cork.

Had you well fooled, didn't I?
I'm really a very lonely farmer boy from outside Birr.
Since I killed my parents, there's noone around to talk to, so I just come on here and talk shit.

The farm's going to hell, but frankly, I don't care: the 'lefties' will look after me.

The fools.

[macuísle]

The thing that annoys me most about republicans is their perception that they have some kind of monopoly on Irish identity or that their's is somehow more worthy. I don't mind it so much from people across the border because it goes with the territory, but when you meet republican farmers from north Tipp or somewhere lecturing you about your country and shite, well, it bugs me. I'd be far happier with them if they paid their fuckin taxes.


Name someone who thinks that way and I'll kick their ass my own self. No one has a monopoly on Irishness and it pisses me off as well when someone postures as if they did. But I do hate revisionists and there are a unbelievable amount of them on this tiny island. On both sides of the political coin.

[pudgee]

Fair enough. Thanks for that. Good answer and understood 100%.




The only reason I ask is that when I lived in the states, keeping in mind I, with the exception of a summer in Boston, never lived on the East Coast never, ever felt at home. I wanted to desperately but I always felt like a foreigner which is ironic as I was born in California.

I suppose London's quite different though.
I mean, I don't actually know a single person actually from London. And I know about three English people.
We're all foreigners, so no-one really feels foreign, if ya get me.

[macuísle]

Had you well fooled, didn't I?
I'm really a very lonely farmer boy from outside Birr.
Since I killed my parents, there's noone around to talk to, so I just come on here and talk shit.

The farm's going to hell, but frankly, I don't care: the 'lefties' will look after me.

The fools.


Jaysus. Could it be? A retro pinko with a sense of humour. I know I'm wasting my time but I think I'm falling in love.

[pudgee]

Jaysus. Could it be? A retro pinko with a sense of humour. I know I'm wasting my time but I think I'm falling in love.

Love is never a waste of time, macúisle.

[Russell Jones]

Name someone who thinks that way and I'll kick their ass my own self. No one has a monopoly on Irishness and it pisses me off as well when someone postures as if they did. But I do hate revisionists and there are a unbelievable amount of them on this tiny island. On both sides of the political coin.

I'm sorry, I misread the tone of your post. I thought your fascination with pudgee's comment was patronising, but your second post cleared it up.
Mia culpe.

[macuísle]

Be patronizing to Pudgee? Never. Might get cross but I would never challenge his intellect.

But then until yesterday I sincerely thought Sunbabe was acting thick.

I was also convinced that "Snatch and Grab" was a sub category in Olympic Weighlifting until my friends, when they recovered from gales of laughter to the point of spitting up their drinks, assured me it not only wasnt but that it never was. It is, in fact, a euphemism for shoplifting.

So I learn something new everyday. And sometimes I learn two things.

[nedthescut]

Jaysus. Could it be? A retro pinko with a sense of humour. I know I'm wasting my time but I think I'm falling in love.


OI missus, hands off!

[macuísle]

Christ! I didn't know he was claimed. I beg your pardon.

[nedthescut]

Christ! I didn't know he was claimed. I beg your pardon.


Only codding you. Let's not fall out.
I tried to tame him but he's in high demand so I've set him free.




For now! I was having trouble tracking him down you see.

[Russell Jones]

Christ! I didn't know he was claimed. I beg your pardon.

Ignorantia legis non excusat

[nedthescut]

Ignorantia legis non excusat

Huh?

Sunabe's in Yawl so I may as well fill in.

[pudgee]

Huh?

Sunabe's in Yawl so I may as well fill in.

I don't like being free - it's scary out there.

Ignorance (of the law) is no defence. Russell's being posh.

[nedthescut]

I don't like being free - it's scary out there.

Ignorance (of the law) is no defence. Russell's being posh.


QED.

Welcome home love.
Your dindins will be ready at 5.

xo

[macuísle]

Only codding you. Let's not fall out.
I tried to tame him but he's in high demand so I've set him free.




For now! I was having trouble tracking him down you see.


High maintenance? Our Pudgee?


Learn something new...

I picture Pudge as a conservatively dressed wide shouldered man with wire framed glasses and a good head of brown hair. Maybe a beard. But I could be wrong.

[nedthescut]

High maintenance? Our Pudgee?


Learn something new...

I picture Pudge as a conservatively dressed wide shouldered man with wire framed glasses and a good head of brown hair. Maybe a beard. But I could be wrong.


Who said "high maintenance"?

Nice profile. Sounds like he's from Longford. Are you Pudgee?
Are you?

[Russell Jones]

Who said "high maintenance"?

Nice profile. Sounds like he's from Longford. Are you Pudgee?
Are you?

Offaly, wasn't it?

Interesting description Mac - spot on accurate too.

And Pudgee, me? Trying to be posh? We've been over this before. Remember, you consulted the Admiral of the RCYC about it.

[pudgee]

Offaly, wasn't it?

Interesting description Mac - spot on accurate too.

And Pudgee, me? Trying to be posh? We've been over this before. Remember, you consulted the Admiral of the RCYC about it.


Except the glasses.


I'd forgot about that lunch down the club, Russ. But then, 12 g&ts will do that to a man.

[macuísle]

I can "See" people sometimes. Do you wear sunglasses more than say most people? Not trying to be creepy or anything but do you?

[macuísle]

Oi! I'm being abandoned just like that, am I?

Well that's just fine.

*schniffle*


I'm a polygynist. Didn't I mention that on the C.V.?

[nedthescut]

Haha. Macuísle girl, you're a riot.
What sort of person wears sunglasses more than most?

[Russell Jones]

Haha. Macuísle girl, you're a riot.
What sort of person wears sunglasses more than most?

Italians

[Out da Lough Like]

Haha. Macuísle girl, you're a riot.
What sort of person wears sunglasses more than most?


http://www.shamrock.interne tdsl.pl/historia/IRA/ira_funeral.jpg

[macuísle]

Haha. Macuísle girl, you're a riot.
What sort of person wears sunglasses more than most?

Me. Or so I'm told by everyone that knows me. I don't like the sun.

[macuísle]

http://www.shamrock.interne tdsl.pl/historia/IRA/ira_funeral.jpg


Take a good picture don't I? Hated those bloody berets though. Always falling forward into your eyes just when you were lining up the shot.

[Charles De Gowl]

Take a good picture don't I? Hated those bloody berets though. Always falling forward into your eyes just when you were lining up the shot.
Just reminded me of a piece in an old issue of Viz................h at shop called Paramillinery...bere ts, bowlers and balaclavas a speciality, classic

[Out da Lough Like]

Me. Or so I'm told by everyone that knows me. I don't like the sun.


Me Neither. I prefer the Examiner.

[pudgee]

I can "See" people sometimes. Do you wear sunglasses more than say most people? Not trying to be creepy or anything but do you?

Who, me? Never wear 'em.
Just kinda got a thing against them. Don't know why.

[nedthescut]

Who, me? Never wear 'em.
Just kinda got a thing against them. Don't know why.


You'll get wrinkles love.

[pudgee]

You'll get wrinkles love.

Too late to worry about that.
Already got a furrowed brow from all me deep thinking like.

[nedthescut]

Too late to worry about that.
Already got a furrowed brow from all me deep thinking like.


You're only teasing me now.

[pudgee]

You're only teasing me now.

Yup.







And you love it.

[Alsace Hebert]

I must admit that I have enjoyed the commentary immensely, however, something more substantial than profanity must be used to quantify a statement. Perhaps, this is what sets www.stormfront.org/ apart from the rest of the forums on the WWW, we do not tolerate such depravation. It is most likely why we have one of the top forums in the world.

A House resolution does not rectify the issue for two reasons.

One, the South clearly had a Constitutional right to succeed from the Union and the subsequent invading armies that burned Atlanta to the ground were driven by the ruthlessness of Abraham Lincoln and General Sherman. Lincoln was more concerned with the loss of revenue and Napoleon III’s army that was in Mexico and poised to invade Texas. If concern for the enslaved Negro was the deciding factor, then can someone over there explain why the Emancipation Proclamation did not come into existence until two years into the onset of war. Clearly, two thirds of the abolitionist society was in the South and the mechanization brought about by Eli Whitney’s invention would have removed slavery from the equation entirely. No one on either side of the Atlantic will ever convince me, that we fought a Civil War to preserve slavery when 90% of the population never owned a slave.

Secondly, we have no use for the House of Representatives because our government is firmly in the hands of the Zionist now. When your sons and daughters die in some Middle Eastern desert, take comfort in the fact that it was to satisfy Western civilizations thirst for oil and for a Semitic tribe that has caused calamity in Palestine, Berlin and New York City.

My fiancee’s family are Catholics that hail from Cork County and I am Southern, so you can appreciate my interest. Moreover, I am not a Nazi, just a Constitutionalist that arbors the banning of any form of symbolism.

Fly our flag, tis the right thing to do.

[optimus]

<p>fuck off wum </p>
<p>how dare you come on here preaching about how a nazi board is better than the proc and as for profanity havent you ever seen a colin farrel interview.</p>
<p>fuck off back where you came from we dont want you here and we dont appreciate what you represent.</p>
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[pudgee]

Why are you bothering?

[Out da Lough Like]

Why are you bothering?


I think they should ban the use of the Turkish flag at the matches as well.

I'd be delighted if they did.


And the Ferrari one.

[Charles De Gowl]

I think they should ban the use of the Turkish flag at the matches as well.

I'd be delighted if they did.http://www.turkeytravelplan ner.com/AssetsTurkey/Istanbul/Transport/IstanbulTaxis.jpg

[Out da Lough Like]

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Legend!

[cleburne]

Exterminationist.com



Patrick Ronayne Cleburne, Major General Born March 17, 1828 at Bridgepark Cottage on River Bride, County Cork, Ireland Killed November 30, 1864 at Franklin TN Buried Helena AR

http://breaking.examiner.ie/2004/08/05/story160301.html#
Rebel fans rebel against flag ban calls

05/08/2004 - 13:55:56

Cork’s army of loyal GAA fans vowed today to rebel against calls to ban the red and white American Confederate flag from matches.

The Socialist Worker’s Party (SWP) claim the flag is racist and insults people from ethnic backgrounds but the Cork County Board insist fans are unaware of its connotations.

A vast red and white sea of flags proudly flutters in the breeze at the Rebel County’s All-Ireland Championship matches, but the SWP is determined to have one of them banned.

Joe Moore, SWP Cork spokesman, said: “We know the county colours are red and white but it’s unfortunate one of the flags being flown is the Confederate flag from America.

“It represents the promotion of racism and slavery but Ireland is a multi-cultural society and such symbols should not be on display.

“Cork is the Rebel County but the name comes from the fight for national independence. The rebel flag comes from a totally different context where people in the US were protecting slavery.”

He believes the Cork board should take on the responsibility of educating fans about its history and then call for a voluntary ban before taking further action.

But the board and supporters have laughed off the calls, claiming supporters have simply chosen the flag for its colours.

Mick Dolan, the board’s vice-chairman, said the idea of banning a certain flag and checking them before games was completely impractical.

“It’s ridiculous, the flag’s just red and white,” he said. “Our fans also wave the Japanese rising sun flag, the Canadian flag, the Ferrari flag, but they mean nothing except for the colours.

“I don’t think the people waving the Confederate flag even know what it stands for and it would certainly not be my place to tell them what flags to use.”

Donncha O’Leary, the owner of Cashman’s pub in Cork city, a popular supporter’s bar, said he was disgusted that GAA fans were being linked to Confederate America and said the SWP should be concentrating on more important issues.

“It’s just about the county colours, the SWP is picking on one flag and don’t have a clue,” he said.

“The local market sells flags from around the world and supporters pick this up but have no idea where it’s from.

“There are more important things to worry about, this is maybe just one flag flown amongst some 30,000.”

The red, blue and white Confederate flag represents the 11 US Southern states which formed a republic in 1861 in order to preserve slavery and states’ rights.

It was associated with the Ku Klux Klan and still sometimes used as a symbol of oppression and racism.


An example of Propaganda in operation. Cork and the Rebel flag.

Here we see the familiar propaganda device ,the newsmedia, in this case a Crosbie paper, notorious for promoting race mixing and multiculturalism etc. gives space to a far-leftie . The fact the story is run at all is because they thought it a good device to further intimidate the public. Nobody would have heard of it without the Paper.And as a result we see idiots posting on the peoples republic of cork forum about how they aren't racist and so on just because they use this flag, just like in the jewess-of-a.
Who funds these far-left groups? Who funds Crosbie? The public is channeled into the conditioned response "oh but were not racists just because..." Pavlov style, and the idea that racism is the ultimate evil is further reinforced.
The moronic "peoples republic of cork" site which uses commie imagery and promotes the "knowracism" site had this posted on the subject:
"
TUPAC AMARU
The GAA and the confederate Flag
I was lookin in yestedays echo and was amazed to see that the GAA is asking cork fans not to display the confederate flag besause they are saying that it is racist. I have just stopped laughing not and want to offer my opinion for what its worth.
I have a large confederate flag which I picked up in texas (the state....not the DIY shop) which it display on thiose occasions when I have time to attend a cork match.
I also have a little confederate flag that I display on my desk at work.
These flags to me are about a rebel spirt and not racism. People are under the misconception that the american civil war was just about slavery. There was much more to it.
I am not a racist. Let the record show that I think that Beyonce is a lasher. A few years ago I went out with a lovely girl from the west indies. If I were a racist cork fan, I would be wearing a white sheet and white hood to the matches.
The GAA to me is a racist organisation. They will not let socer be played in its grounds and will not let UK members of the security forces play but will happliy let UK passport holders play up north. If you hold a uk passport, you are english, pure and simple. I met and fell in love with an english girl so I am not anti english either.
The main reason for displaying the confederate flag at matches is to remind people that we are the rebel county. We resisted when others (especially the dubs) collaborated with occupying forces.
The modern 26 county free state owes its very existance to the rebel county of cork.
A spirit I hope that is continued in the PROC."
The same-programmed line is seen in other forums. This proc site is a further subversive gimmick with its fake appeal to cork nationalism to suck people into to a site where only kosher talk is allowed, the site is promoted in their papers and t-shirts distributed. Debate is channels into a certain number of predetermined responses, a far-left line, and a slightly less far left line and the lemmings go along with this. When the few awake people don't do activism and while we have no alternative media to reach large numbers of people we cannot combat this indoctrination process.
The fake debate is a standard of "democratic " propaganda as typified by BBC question time. The paper, which is a lunatic treason rag, is made to look more reasonable by contrast and its credibility enhanced for future indoctrination purposes. Henceforth I recommend all Cork supporters use the Confederate flag to the exclusion of all others. Plenty of highly distinguished Confederate Soldiers like Patrick Cleburne came from Cork.
reveducorg at yahoo.com



" A Black man, Arthur Bomar, was convicted early this month of rape, first-degree murder, and sexual abuse of a corpse. Bomar had driven up behind a car driven by a 22-year-old White university student, Aimee Willard. Aimee was home on summer vacation from George Mason University, which is in Fairfax, Virginia. She was visiting her parents in Philadelphia, when Bomar deliberately bumped her car. She got out to check for damage; he grabbed her, beat her savagely with a tire iron, tore her clothes off, raped her, and then dumped her corpse in a vacant lot. " www.natvan.com

White Idiots and cowards who do not stand up to multiracialist genocide are accomplices in the savage murders one sees by Blacks ,the Blacks have an excuse,they are a more primitive form of life.Its like blaming a wolf or a fox for the stupidity of a farmer who places him among the chickens.

David Noone 2004





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2+2=4 2Y2=5


http://www.exterminationist .com/cork.htm

[macuísle]

Seriously. FUCK OFF.

[northmallexile]

Oh, do go away. There's a good chap.

[Out da Lough Like]

Seriously. FUCK OFF.


It's better to debate the issues rather then resort to the antics of SF/Green/SWP etc., when they tried to prevent the Philosophy Society in UCC from holding a debate with Henry Kissinger. They started with David Irving, and before long they decided that they had a "right," to censor what people were allowed to listen to, and what topics could and couldn't be debated.

My own view is that extremists and lunatics should post views from either the right or left of the spectrum, as their extreme intolerant views soon become patently obvious to all normal right thinking people. If you disagree with someone's views, then debate with them.

I don't give any credence to David Irving's revisionist views, but I resent other extremists from the other side telling me that I can't debate with his ilk, because they shouldn't "be given a forum." Who gives anyone the right to tell people what they can and cannot debate?

[pudgee]

Oh, do go away. There's a good chap.
It's all a big conspiracy between the jews, the lizards, and, er, Ted Crosbie, that well known far-left activist.

To be fair though, when life has dealt you a less than ample brain, you're bound to hope there's a reason the odds are stacked against you, beyond your own base stupidity.

[northmallexile]

That'd be all very well if a debate was actually on the cards. But in the case of certain extremists (on both sides), any argument you make is simply an example of your false consciousness.

[ho chi feen]

Exterminationist.com



Patrick Ronayne Cleburne, Major General Born March 17, 1828 at Bridgepark Cottage on River Bride, County Cork, Ireland Killed November 30, 1864 at Franklin TN Buried Helena AR

http://breaking.examiner.ie/2004/08/05/story160301.html#
Rebel fans rebel against flag ban calls

05/08/2004 - 13:55:56

Cork’s army of loyal GAA fans vowed today to rebel against calls to ban the red and white American Confederate flag from matches.

The Socialist Worker’s Party (SWP) claim the flag is racist and insults people from ethnic backgrounds but the Cork County Board insist fans are unaware of its connotations.

A vast red and white sea of flags proudly flutters in the breeze at the Rebel County’s All-Ireland Championship matches, but the SWP is determined to have one of them banned.

Joe Moore, SWP Cork spokesman, said: “We know the county colours are red and white but it’s unfortunate one of the flags being flown is the Confederate flag from America.

“It represents the promotion of racism and slavery but Ireland is a multi-cultural society and such symbols should not be on display.

“Cork is the Rebel County but the name comes from the fight for national independence. The rebel flag comes from a totally different context where people in the US were protecting slavery.”

He believes the Cork board should take on the responsibility of educating fans about its history and then call for a voluntary ban before taking further action.

But the board and supporters have laughed off the calls, claiming supporters have simply chosen the flag for its colours.

Mick Dolan, the board’s vice-chairman, said the idea of banning a certain flag and checking them before games was completely impractical.

“It’s ridiculous, the flag’s just red and white,” he said. “Our fans also wave the Japanese rising sun flag, the Canadian flag, the Ferrari flag, but they mean nothing except for the colours.

“I don’t think the people waving the Confederate flag even know what it stands for and it would certainly not be my place to tell them what flags to use.”

Donncha O’Leary, the owner of Cashman’s pub in Cork city, a popular supporter’s bar, said he was disgusted that GAA fans were being linked to Confederate America and said the SWP should be concentrating on more important issues.

“It’s just about the county colours, the SWP is picking on one flag and don’t have a clue,” he said.

“The local market sells flags from around the world and supporters pick this up but have no idea where it’s from.

“There are more important things to worry about, this is maybe just one flag flown amongst some 30,000.”

The red, blue and white Confederate flag represents the 11 US Southern states which formed a republic in 1861 in order to preserve slavery and states’ rights.

It was associated with the Ku Klux Klan and still sometimes used as a symbol of oppression and racism.


An example of Propaganda in operation. Cork and the Rebel flag.

Here we see the familiar propaganda device ,the newsmedia, in this case a Crosbie paper, notorious for promoting race mixing and multiculturalism etc. gives space to a far-leftie . The fact the story is run at all is because they thought it a good device to further intimidate the public. Nobody would have heard of it without the Paper.And as a result we see idiots posting on the peoples republic of cork forum about how they aren't racist and so on just because they use this flag, just like in the jewess-of-a.
Who funds these far-left groups? Who funds Crosbie? The public is channeled into the conditioned response "oh but were not racists just because..." Pavlov style, and the idea that racism is the ultimate evil is further reinforced.
The moronic "peoples republic of cork" site which uses commie imagery and promotes the "knowracism" site had this posted on the subject:
"
TUPAC AMARU
The GAA and the confederate Flag
I was lookin in yestedays echo and was amazed to see that the GAA is asking cork fans not to display the confederate flag besause they are saying that it is racist. I have just stopped laughing not and want to offer my opinion for what its worth.
I have a large confederate flag which I picked up in texas (the state....not the DIY shop) which it display on thiose occasions when I have time to attend a cork match.
I also have a little confederate flag that I display on my desk at work.
These flags to me are about a rebel spirt and not racism. People are under the misconception that the american civil war was just about slavery. There was much more to it.
I am not a racist. Let the record show that I think that Beyonce is a lasher. A few years ago I went out with a lovely girl from the west indies. If I were a racist cork fan, I would be wearing a white sheet and white hood to the matches.
The GAA to me is a racist organisation. They will not let socer be played in its grounds and will not let UK members of the security forces play but will happliy let UK passport holders play up north. If you hold a uk passport, you are english, pure and simple. I met and fell in love with an english girl so I am not anti english either.
The main reason for displaying the confederate flag at matches is to remind people that we are the rebel county. We resisted when others (especially the dubs) collaborated with occupying forces.
The modern 26 county free state owes its very existance to the rebel county of cork.
A spirit I hope that is continued in the PROC."
The same-programmed line is seen in other forums. This proc site is a further subversive gimmick with its fake appeal to cork nationalism to suck people into to a site where only kosher talk is allowed, the site is promoted in their papers and t-shirts distributed. Debate is channels into a certain number of predetermined responses, a far-left line, and a slightly less far left line and the lemmings go along with this. When the few awake people don't do activism and while we have no alternative media to reach large numbers of people we cannot combat this indoctrination process.
The fake debate is a standard of "democratic " propaganda as typified by BBC question time. The paper, which is a lunatic treason rag, is made to look more reasonable by contrast and its credibility enhanced for future indoctrination purposes. Henceforth I recommend all Cork supporters use the Confederate flag to the exclusion of all others. Plenty of highly distinguished Confederate Soldiers like Patrick Cleburne came from Cork.
reveducorg at yahoo.com



" A Black man, Arthur Bomar, was convicted early this month of rape, first-degree murder, and sexual abuse of a corpse. Bomar had driven up behind a car driven by a 22-year-old White university student, Aimee Willard. Aimee was home on summer vacation from George Mason University, which is in Fairfax, Virginia. She was visiting her parents in Philadelphia, when Bomar deliberately bumped her car. She got out to check for damage; he grabbed her, beat her savagely with a tire iron, tore her clothes off, raped her, and then dumped her corpse in a vacant lot. " www.natvan.com

White Idiots and cowards who do not stand up to multiracialist genocide are accomplices in the savage murders one sees by Blacks ,the Blacks have an excuse,they are a more primitive form of life.Its like blaming a wolf or a fox for the stupidity of a farmer who places him among the chickens.

David Noone 2004





Back to front page

2+2=4 2Y2=5


http://www.exterminationist .com/cork.htm


Yeah, but how would Shelbourne do in the Primera Liga?

[pudgee]

That'd be all very well if a debate was actually on the cards. But in the case of certain extremists (on both sides), any argument you make is simply an example of your false consciousness.

Blatant manifestation of false consciousness there NME.

[Out da Lough Like]

That'd be all very well if a debate was actually on the cards. But in the case of certain extremists (on both sides), any argument you make is simply an example of your false consciousness.

I understand and appreciate your opinion, I was just saying who is it that determines the limit? As in what differentiates "certain extremists?" How can we classify who we can and can't debate with in a democracy? Are we afraid that they might actually influence some people? Is the banning of certain speakers from UCC on the grounds that their views are "too extreme," merely a symptom that we are losing the courage of our convictions, and that we are afraid to debate with them? DOes this very fact not give credence to their efforts to portray themselves as underdogs fighting agains political correctness?
ANd finally wouldn't the most politically correct thing to do be to debate with them and tear their arguments to shreds?

Or do we fear that they could win the argument?

Please don't take offence to me posting these questions, I'm just interested in this whole free speech issue.

[Out da Lough Like]

Yeah, but how would Shelbourne do in the Primera Liga?


I wish to fawk there was a sports forum.


NB How come it cost €499 to go to Nantes for the day with no accommodation and no match ticket and Shelbourne fans can go to Coruna for €549 including match ticket and FIVE DAYS ACCOMMODATION?

[ho chi feen]

I wish to fawk there was a sports forum.


NB How come it cost €499 to go to Nantes for the day with no accommodation and no match ticket and Shelbourne fans can go to Coruna for €549 including match ticket and FIVE DAYS ACCOMMODATION?

Its all a jackeen, kike and ted bundy conspiracy, OBVIOUSLY.

FFS.

[pudgee]

I understand and appreciate your opinion, I was just saying who is it that determines the limit? As in what differentiates "certain extremists?" How can we classify who we can and can't debate with in a democracy? Are we afraid that they might actually influence some people? Is the banning of certain speakers from UCC on the grounds that their views are "too extreme," merely a symptom that we are losing the courage of our convictions, and that we are afraid to debate with them? DOes this very fact not give credence to their efforts to portray themselves as underdogs fighting agains political correctness?
ANd finally wouldn't the most politically correct thing to do be to debate with them and tear their arguments to shreds?

Or do we fear that they could win the argument?

Please don't take offence to me posting these questions, I'm just interested in this whole free speech issue.

The problem with that, ODLL, is that a discussion implies some level of rationality on either side, and at least some will towards consensus.

When you're dealing with irrational hatemongers like this fella, that goes out the window completely. No matter what argument you present, they'll just make out your part of the conspiracy. The bigger the 'conspiracy' becomes, the more they can invest in it, so, in a weird way, they need people to tell them they're wrong. It's like fuel for their fevered little imaginations.

[northmallexile]

I understand and appreciate your opinion, I was just saying who is it that determines the limit? As in what differentiates "certain extremists?" How can we classify who we can and can't debate with in a democracy? Are we afraid that they might actually influence some people? Is the banning of certain speakers from UCC on the grounds that their views are "too extreme," merely a symptom that we are losing the courage of our convictions, and that we are afraid to debate with them? DOes this very fact not give credence to their efforts to portray themselves as underdogs fighting agains political correctness?
ANd finally wouldn't the most politically correct thing to do be to debate with them and tear their arguments to shreds?

Or do we fear that they could win the argument?

Please don't take offence to me posting these questions, I'm just interested in this whole free speech issue.

Yeah, I know. All of these kind of things are socially constructed anyway, so the limits of free speech kind of depend on the Zeitgeist at the time.

For the record, I was at the Kissinger protest - most people's object was not to prevent him from talking but rather that some sort of protest should be seen to be taking place, given the guy's past record.

[farna_boy]

I think that the flag in question should be allowed at Cork matches for three reasons.
the first reason is that in the number of years that this flag has been flown at Cork matches this is the first time that I have heard of it being associated with racism. Of course I was aware of its associations in america but seeing as it had never been associated with racism in Ireland i didnt think it was a problem.
the second reason is that for years the dukes of hazard has been aired on tv both here and in the states whithout any complaints of its use on the car or for that matter the name of the car itself (General Lee). If no objections have at this stage been raised in the states over this particular programme, given the ratio of people of african origins there compared to here and where the case would be a lot more sensitive why should it affect us here in ireland a few thousand miles away?
the third reason is that since the majority of us on this website are white and have never been been discriminated against because of our race we should not attempt to assume what people of african origin find racist or offending. we do not know what they find offensive as i presume they do not know what we as irish or corkonians find offensive and until a statement from some group representing this race makes a statement nothing should be cast in iron. to think of it another way its like a man trying to describe period pains or telling other men what period pains feels like. I do not know what period pain feels like so voicing my opinion however valid it may seem to other men is pretty much irrelevant to women.

I have tried to word my observations above as carefully as possible so as not to offend anyone but in case I have offended anyone I apologise now. I hope my observations do not appear racist as I am not a racist and although i do not publically promote anti-racism I would stand to up anyone voicing racist opinions in public.

[ho chi feen]

....although i do not publically promote anti-racism I would stand up anyone voicing racist opinions in public.


What makes ya think they'd want to go out with you in the first place? ;)

[pudgee]

I think that the flag in question should be allowed at Cork matches for three reasons.
the first reason is that in the number of years that this flag has been flown at Cork matches this is the first time that I have heard of it being associated with racism. Of course I was aware of its associations in america but seeing as it had never been associated with racism in Ireland i didnt think it was a problem.
the second reason is that for years the dukes of hazard has been aired on tv both here and in the states whithout any complaints of its use on the car or for that matter the name of the car itself (General Lee). If no objections have at this stage been raised in the states over this particular programme, given the ratio of people of african origins there compared to here and where the case would be a lot more sensitive why should it affect us here in ireland a few thousand miles away?
the third reason is that since the majority of us on this website are white and have never been been discriminated against because of our race we should not attempt to assume what people of african origin find racist or offending. we do not know what they find offensive as i presume they do not know what we as irish or corkonians find offensive and until a statement from some group representing this race makes a statement nothing should be cast in iron. to think of it another way its like a man trying to describe period pains or telling other men what period pains feels like. I do not know what period pain feels like so voicing my opinion however valid it may seem to other men is pretty much irrelevant to women.

I have tried to word my observations above as carefully as possible so as not to offend anyone but in case I have offended anyone I apologise now. I hope my observations do not appear racist as I am not a racist and although i do not publically promote anti-racism I would stand up anyone voicing racist opinions in public.

Racist!
Naw, you're fairly right, if some black people had actually come out and said they found it offensive, then it would have to go. Arguments about tradition or whatever wouldn't make any sense.

However, I do still find it offensive, always have, and I think people should be aware of the connotations it has for a lot of people.

[farna_boy]

What makes ya think they'd want to go out with you in the first place? ;)

D'oh!! Thanx, fixing it now :)

[steve sanders]

i dont care much either way but must say i *love* the "duke of hazzard" defence.

- your honour, i cite episode 47 where the boys try to keep a local oldsters illict still from incurring the wrath of boss hogg, whilst simultaneously souping up general lee for the big race off on saturday night after the rodeo. in particular, i would like to draw your attention to daisy's hotpants which are notably shorter than usual in this episode. the slag. she loves it i'd say.

[cleburne]

mr out the lough like
have you ever read david irvings books?

you parrot the moronic line we see around the world ,pm of new zealand said amost exactly the same as you.

but in twenty or forty years your kind will be extinct replaced by more sure slave stock from nigeria

why dont you go read irvings books,he has to give them away free because of cowards and morons who dont stand up to the jews.
yanks and brits ar dying in iraq for the Jews as they themselves say if you read their media which you are too thick to do.

www.fpp.co.uk (http://)
there is his site
I dare you to read some of the revisionist stuff and come back here and give one factual mistake if you can find any

and draw us a gas chamber if you can because science says its horseshit

the jews and their red monkeys will keep the books out of your bookshops so you can talk crap without any danger of the truth coming near you

[ho chi feen]

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www.fpp.co.uk (http://)
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Ahem, sling it fuckwit.

[Out da Lough Like]

mr out the lough like
have you ever read david irvings books?

you parrot the moronic line we see around the world ,pm of new zealand said amost exactly the same as you.

but in twenty or forty years your kind will be extinct replaced by more sure slave stock from nigeria

why dont you go read irvings books,he has to give them away free because of cowards and morons who dont stand up to the jews.
yanks and brits ar dying in iraq for the Jews as they themselves say if you read their media which you are too thick to do.

www.fpp.co.uk (http://)
there is his site
I dare you to read some of the revisionist stuff and come back here and give one factual mistake if you can find any

and draw us a gas chamber if you can because science says its horseshit

the jews and their red monkeys will keep the books out of your bookshops so you can talk crap without any danger of the truth coming near you


I have read some of Mr. Irvings writings. Having read them, I formed the opinion that they were factually incorrect. As regards science, I would like if you could clarify exactly what you mean by saying that "Science says it's horseshit." Are you saying that my ability to draw is horseshit?

And as for you saying that I am too thick to read Jewish media, then I respect your opinion, even though I must say that I would find it difficult to respect you.

However, good men died in order to give you the right to express yourself, and much as I would disagree with the way in which you do express yourself, I would defend your right to free speech.

[el rojo]

mr out the lough like
have you ever read david irvings books?

you parrot the moronic line we see around the world ,pm of new zealand said amost exactly the same as you.

but in twenty or forty years your kind will be extinct replaced by more sure slave stock from nigeria

why dont you go read irvings books,he has to give them away free because of cowards and morons who dont stand up to the jews.
yanks and brits ar dying in iraq for the Jews as they themselves say if you read their media which you are too thick to do.

www.fpp.co.uk (http://)
there is his site
I dare you to read some of the revisionist stuff and come back here and give one factual mistake if you can find any

and draw us a gas chamber if you can because science says its horseshit

the jews and their red monkeys will keep the books out of your bookshops so you can talk crap without any danger of the truth coming near you

SHOOT YERSELF YE FUCKING IDIOT!!!

[How bad boy]

mr out the lough like
have you ever read david irvings books?

you parrot the moronic line we see around the world ,pm of new zealand said amost exactly the same as you.

but in twenty or forty years your kind will be extinct replaced by more sure slave stock from nigeria

why dont you go read irvings books,he has to give them away free because of cowards and morons who dont stand up to the jews.
yanks and brits ar dying in iraq for the Jews as they themselves say if you read their media which you are too thick to do.

www.fpp.co.uk (http:///)
there is his site
I dare you to read some of the revisionist stuff and come back here and give one factual mistake if you can find any

and draw us a gas chamber if you can because science says its horseshit

the jews and their red monkeys will keep the books out of your bookshops so you can talk crap without any danger of the truth coming near you

Here you go genius, just how fucking difficult is it to make a gas chamber? Here's how:
http://img49.exs.cx/img49/5663/Stupid.jpg

Any other arguments?

Maybe nobody really died in WW2, maybe it was all a figment of the world's imagination. I'd say Hitler rounded em up and put them in the camps just to be nice to them.

[ho chi feen]

Here you go genius, just how fucking difficult is it to make a gas chamber? Here's how:
http://img49.exs.cx/img49/5663/Stupid.jpg

Any other arguments?

Maybe nobody really died in WW2, maybe it was all a figment of the world's imagination. I'd say Hitler rounded em up and put them in the camps just to be nice to them.


World War II, Shmorld War II, haven't you people ever heard of the big one? The Australian-American War?


Fucking commie hippy baby-eating liberals.

[Out da Lough Like]

mr out the lough like
have you ever read david irvings books?

you parrot the moronic line we see around the world ,pm of new zealand said amost exactly the same as you.

but in twenty or forty years your kind will be extinct replaced by more sure slave stock from nigeria

why dont you go read irvings books,he has to give them away free because of cowards and morons who dont stand up to the jews.
yanks and brits ar dying in iraq for the Jews as they themselves say if you read their media which you are too thick to do.

www.fpp.co.uk (http://)
there is his site
I dare you to read some of the revisionist stuff and come back here and give one factual mistake if you can find any

and draw us a gas chamber if you can because science says its horseshit

the jews and their red monkeys will keep the books out of your bookshops so you can talk crap without any danger of the truth coming near you


Oh and by the way, thank you for proving my earlier point. You're the best advert for tolerance and free speech I've seen in ages. If we didn't have free speech, or freedom of expression, many open minded people would be prevented from seeing your views and would also be prevented from forming an opinion as to the validity of those views.


Once again, thanks for proving my point.

[DiamondGeezer]

D'ya reckon Cleburne wears them keks that watermelon wants to get her boyfriend under his SS uniform

[macuísle]

It's better to debate the issues rather then resort to the antics of SF/Green/SWP etc., when they tried to prevent the Philosophy Society in UCC from holding a debate with Henry Kissinger. They started with David Irving, and before long they decided that they had a "right," to censor what people were allowed to listen to, and what topics could and couldn't be debated.

My own view is that extremists and lunatics should post views from either the right or left of the spectrum, as their extreme intolerant views soon become patently obvious to all normal right thinking people. If you disagree with someone's views, then debate with them.

I don't give any credence to David Irving's revisionist views, but I resent other extremists from the other side telling me that I can't debate with his ilk, because they shouldn't "be given a forum." Who gives anyone the right to tell people what they can and cannot debate?

ODLL my love for you is waning. Where is the right to protest? I thought you had libertarian leanings my good man. And the reason the protests became so vocal is because these bastions of "democracy" refused to debate their stance. Despite several requests. They just want to pontificate without interruption. Not wanted and not appreciated. I'd love the opportunity for you to debate me for instance regarding Republican politics.

Come on. Wanna wrassle?

[ho chi feen]

ODLL my love for you is waning. Where is the right to protest? I thought you had libertarian leanings my good man. And the reason the protests became so vocal is because these bastions of "democracy" refused to debate their stance. Despite several requests. They just want to pontificate without interruption. Not wanted and not appreciated. I'd love the opportunity for you to debate me for instance regarding Republican politics.

Come on. Wanna wrassle?

Too right, there's no 'debate' here- these tools just come in and alternately praise us for areas they perceive to be common ground, and abuse anyone who disagrees. They copy and paste, post links, regurgitate propoganda, untruths & half-truths, and twist and abuse selectively chosen facts, rather than even to address any points raised against them.

And they scarper, only to resurface for more of the same another day, before ditching the username, and beginning the whole, pathetic cycle anew, further down the line.

That's not democracy in action, its sheer fuckwittery of the highest order in action.

Down with this sort of thing.

[macuísle]

When did your love for me fade HO? And here's me thinking we were comrades.

[ho chi feen]

When did your love for me fade HO? And here's me thinking we were comrades.

Far from it, far from it. And there was me thinking we were in full agreement on the matter?

[macuísle]

Sorry. I think I'm living in Bizarro World when it comes to you. I'll try and get back asap.

[ho chi feen]

Not at all, I seem to have such an effect on the general populace.

[pedro]

c'mon now. let's look at this in a calm, respectable manner.

right. there are some forum members who have gone out of their way to make comments that may not necessarily even agree with their own point of view. they just want to stir things up. bless 'em.

there's others (farna_boy is a good example) who decide to post down to earth, logical arguments. which is why more people would tend to agree with frana_boy than would agree with 'cleburne'.

now, projecting this board in the macrocosm that is our society, you'll notice that there are cleburnes out there. the louder they shout, the less they're heard. so 'tis better to limit your posts to addressing those worth addressing.

it's freedom of speech (let people post what they want), it's tolerance (through ignoring them) and it's moral (you know you're right).

forget republican, democrat, jew, muslim, christian etc. justify your arguments through the most basic concept: is it right or wrong. or does it just not make a difference (i.e. the confederate flag).

there's more important things to talk about than religion and politics.

slan agus beannacht

[DiamondGeezer]

I don't suppose waving the confederate flag at a Cork match is any more insulting or confrontational than if I were to take St Georges flag and wave that, well it's the right colours after all!

[Out da Lough Like]

slan agus beannacht


I wish to FAWK there was a Forum na Laingereacha.

[pudgee]

I wish to FAWK there was a Forum na Laingereacha.

This from Mr Free Speech.

[Out da Lough Like]

This from Mr Free Speech.


I respect your opinion, I was trying to be sarcastic.

[cleburne]

out the lough like. what the f are you talking about. you dont even have free speech in this board for mongos.
"know racism"

your parents were racist for having a white child such as it is . only a matter of time before race mixing is obligatory.

there is no free speech in ireland unless you count mongos like yourself with nothing in their heads to mention in the first place.

www.fpp.co.uk go and read his free books and see what you think and report back.

you cannot get his books in waterstones because the jews etc were putting rocks through the windows in britain.

http://www.exterminationist .com/fearwill.gif
this man was murdered by the jews

[shamalive]

I dunno fella,
in general, if a book is free, tis a load of oul horseshit,

most people have better things to be doing than writing books for free...
except for a few oul loony lefties, but tis Thursday, so I'll leave em off.

PS - fuck off WUM.

[Out da Lough Like]

This is good, this is good, keep it up clebourne, you're proving my point, and there was me muddling along, not realising that everything I know is wrong.

I'm honoured to be in the presence of such an intellectual colossus.


You are great.

[DiamondGeezer]

This is good, this is good, keep it up clebourne, you're proving my point, and there was me muddling along, not realising that everything I know is wrong.

I'm honoured to be in the presence of such an intellectual colossus.


You are great.

Should that not read intellectual colostomy bag?

[pudgee]

Should that not read intellectual colostomy bag?

Ah, now. As macúisle has pointed out elsewhere, laughing at the disabled isn't funny.

[cleburne]

in a few years ye will all be replaced by nigerians and then penis thieves will get eaten at cork matches

dont know what a penis thief is?

u must be some kind of racist then for not reading up on the culture of your new equals


By Vaughan
Mon Sep 16th, 2002 at 10:56:53 AM EST

A woman in Nigeria narrowly escaped a recent lynching from an enraged crowd after a market trader claimed she had stolen his penis. This is an example of Koro, (as it is most commonly known in the West), a belief that the genitals have been stolen, or in other parts of the world, that they are fatally shrinking into the body. Bizarre as it sounds, the belief in Koro is several thousand years old and occurs internationally. This article examines historical and contemporary accounts of Koro and looks at some of the explanations for this intriguing phenomenon.



those nigerians are smarter than you people.

[Out da Lough Like]

in a few years ye will all be replaced by nigerians and then penis thieves will get eaten at cork matches

dont know what a penis thief is?

u must be some kind of racist then for not reading up on the culture of your new equals


By Vaughan
Mon Sep 16th, 2002 at 10:56:53 AM EST

A woman in Nigeria narrowly escaped a recent lynching from an enraged crowd after a market trader claimed she had stolen his penis. This is an example of Koro, (as it is most commonly known in the West), a belief that the genitals have been stolen, or in other parts of the world, that they are fatally shrinking into the body. Bizarre as it sounds, the belief in Koro is several thousand years old and occurs internationally. This article examines historical and contemporary accounts of Koro and looks at some of the explanations for this intriguing phenomenon.



those nigerians are smarter than you people.


Wow.

That really makes your earlier posts credible. How could I have ever doubted you?

Please accept my apologies, and thank you so much for enlightening me.

[cleburne]

we are still waiting for one of you people to actually read a revisionist book.

your argument goes . oh the jews and the forces against westezrn civilisation are so powerful. we are all stampeding off the cliff.
lets be the bitches of those who are destroying us.
Ignore all rational argument ,facts etc that the jewish media dosent ram down our throats.

read a book

come back here and tell us what you think

like a good bitch
http://www.ety.com/tell/books/jglife/jgtoc.htm

there is one to start you off but probably too many long words

Throw the thinking people to the Jews and maybe you yourself will be allowed to live out your miserable life as a slave or at some stage brutally murdered like so many millions in the last hundred years

http://home.parks.lv/leonards/BaigaisGads/eng/Saturs.htm

http://home.parks.lv/leonards/BaigaisGads/eng/Lapas71_73.htm

[shamalive]

Does this guy do nothing except provide the same links over and over again...?


Get the hint WUM, you're not entertaining...

[pudgee]

So you're saying you wouldn't shag Rachel Stevens then?

Weird.

[paulie]

we are still waiting for one of you people to actually read a revisionist book.

your argument goes . oh the jews and the forces against westezrn civilisation are so powerful. we are all stampeding off the cliff.
lets be the bitches of those who are destroying us.
Ignore all rational argument ,facts etc that the jewish media dosent ram down our throats.

read a book

come back here and tell us what you think

like a good bitch
http://www.ety.com/tell/books/jglife/jgtoc.htm

there is one to start you off but probably too many long words

Throw the thinking people to the Jews and maybe you yourself will be allowed to live out your miserable life as a slave or at some stage brutally murdered like so many millions in the last hundred years

http://home.parks.lv/leonards/BaigaisGads/eng/Saturs.htm

http://home.parks.lv/leonards/BaigaisGads/eng/Lapas71_73.htm

awwwww come on? where's the love? i just know there's room for bunny rabbits and puppy dogs somewhere in that black heart of yours.... come on, let's sing the barney song... you go first... "i love you, you love me..."

[paulie]

"...we're one big white family,
With a great big covered-up conspiracy by Jews,
Won't you be a nazi too?"

EVERYBODY!!!
ha ha... for some reason i wanted to burst into song there... but then i realised i'm at work.... genius post scip... that would have to go on my top 10 list... fair balls lad...

[paulie]

Errah thanks.

I won't be happy till Cletus puts down that skunk and starts humming along.

C'mon Cletus! C'mon biy! Look! Someone's attractive cousin!
looks like he's fucked off for now... or maybe he got the message and realised that he's just another dumbass on the internet and nobody actually really gives a shit...

[cleburne]

we are still waiting for you cowardly bitches to read the books and give a sensible reply.

http://www.exterminationist .com/cork.htm

still waiting for a reply to that also

I guess you are too busy bending over for who ever comes along with enough media power to mold your opinions

[pudgee]

Read Primo Levi, you cowardly bitch.

[ho chi feen]

we are still waiting for you cowardly bitches to read the books and give a sensible reply.

http://www.exterminationist .com/cork.htm

still waiting for a reply to that also

I guess you are too busy bending over for who ever comes along with enough media power to mold your opinions

That ought to read 'mould'.

[paulie]

That ought to read 'mould'.
leave him alone... he's not that well educated...

[cleburne]

Primo levi was a liar bitch.
nobody will lock you up if you sell his lies.

nobody will murder you for distributing it ( the arabs no longer believe the holocaust crap)

maybe you are a racist then?
are you calling the arabs thick?

Many papers in Iran ,egypt etc have printed revisionism.

only wiggers like yourself ,who really know that revisionism is correct but are not man enought to go against political correctness ( which is a euphemis, for dictatorship of the jews and theiuir accomplices) still believe


Hans Schmidt

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Background:
German-American author and publisher of a German- as well as an English-language newsletter (GANPAC Brief and USA-Berichte), Schmidt was arrested in 1995 for having written about a "Jew- and Freemason infested" oligarchy and media ruling today's Germany. He spent 5 months in prison for four words. Released on bail and in ill health, Schmidt returned to the USA where he wrote a book about his experience in Germany, titled "Jailed in Democratic Germany." He has been a thorn in the side of the German vassal authorities for many years.

Repercussions:
Arrested, tried and jailed in Germany, even though he was a U.S. citizen.

http://www.revisionists.com/photos/schmidt.jpg

[steve sanders]

I guess you are too busy bending over for who ever comes along with enough media power to mold your opinions

hey, it fills the afternoons.

[cleburne]

but would you rather have some meaning in your life?

Look at david Irving , he is a hero.

Would you rather be a real man and fight evil in the world?
The kind of evil which enslaves russian girls, which causes wars like the war in iraq.

How many died in ww2 and because of communism?

How many more will die before the world is free ?

The facts are there but you need to be curious to find them because you live in a totalitarian society.

In canada they are legalising pot but burning books . get the idea
. Opium of the people

[pudgee]

but would you rather have some meaning in your life?

Look at david Irving , he is a hero.

Would you rather be a real man and fight evil in the world?
The kind of evil which enslaves russian girls, which causes wars like the war in iraq.

How many died in ww2 and because of communism?

How many more will die before the world is free ?

The facts are there but you need to be curious to find them because you live in a totalitarian society.

In canada they are legalising pot but burning books . get the idea
. Opium of the people

A Nazi quoting Marx! Genius.

[northmallexile]

Scipio, remind me to buy you a pint someday...

[northmallexile]

You're in Bath, eh?

Meet you in the Kings Head in Bristol some night.

Grand. Probably won't be in Bath for much longer, mind....

[DiamondGeezer]

we are still waiting for you cowardly bitches to read the books and give a sensible reply.


You mean there's more than one of ya? fuck me Cleburne's got a friend!

suave qui peut

[DiamondGeezer]

No, it's the fact he's his own cousin, nephew, uncle and brother that's confusing him.

http://www.rob-clarkson.com/duff-brewery/cletus/02.jpg
"Now Brandine, they's my parents too"
Ah yeh of course, he's so busy fucking himself, at least he's doing what he's been told so often

[Alsace Hebert]

In all sincerity, I had held up higher hopes for the folks in Ireland, but I still cling to the fact that many on this forum do not represent Ireland as a whole.

All of the Irish men and women I know can hold their own utilizing intelligence to present an argument, as opposed to gutter language. This is atypical of the press in the United States, feed the masses horse manure and let them drown in it.

However, thanks to stormfront.org we are turning the tide on ignorance and we will save Ireland from the hordes of invaders, despite the fact that many have thrown in the towel.

One day ya’ll will thank us when the Confederate flag proudly flies over a white homeland and the African flag flies where it belongs…in Africa!

[womblewilly]

Bitches - the flag is staying. I had one at the '99 final. What it represents for me is the south, rebels, etc.

It might offend some fella with a major chip on his shoulder in Mississippi, but then he's probably a bit more concerned that it's already his flag:

http://www.50states.com/flag/msflag.htm

Honestly, lads. Get over it. One of the great things about the Cork fans is the absolute sea of colour in the terraces. Hill 16 yesterday was magnificent. I'm not having any leftie cunt making it all bland. Fuck the thought police. This world has more problems to work through first before we start looking for things to get offended by.

And, no, I wouldn't fly a St. George's flag or a swastika, because that would be clearly offensive to almost everyone in that stadium. The confederate flag is offensive to none but the most lilly-livered arseholes.

[kaiser-will]

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

They're members of this club.

This club called Christianity.

*lopes off into the distant shadows...muttering*


*I'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those damn kids...*


I think you will find that the quote should read pesky kids as opposed to damn kids, damn wasnt too pc in those days of Scooby Doo.

[Loftydog]

In all sincerity, I had held up higher hopes for the folks in Ireland, but I still cling to the fact that many on this forum do not represent Ireland as a whole.

All of the Irish men and women I know can hold their own utilizing intelligence to present an argument, as opposed to gutter language. This is atypical of the press in the United States, feed the masses horse manure and let them drown in it.

However, thanks to stormfront.org we are turning the tide on ignorance and we will save Ireland from the hordes of invaders, despite the fact that many have thrown in the towel.

One day ya’ll will thank us when the Confederate flag proudly flies over a white homeland and the African flag flies where it belongs…in Africa!

Sling it wum...All of us here expect for the ingrades represent Ireland as a whole. We are a developed nation with free ideas and tolerance. This isnt Germany in the 30's...come into the 21st century

[Eau Rouge]

How many members of this board live outside Ireland?
Are we all invaders too then?

I'm really curious as to how far you take this shit too.
Are other white people from around the world welcome? South African's? Australians? Americans?
Is it only European's that are allowed, and how far east does that go, Germany? Russia? Hungary?
Maybe it's just people from the British Isles. Are Londoners welcome in your little world?
Maybe it's not even that, maybe you have to be from this island? Or maybe just the 26 counties?
Do you think people should stay within their own county, really?
Should people stay in their own town?
Should people from the Northside not be allowed to move to Mahon or Douglas?
Where do you draw this arbituary line of yours?
What about those born in Ireland to non-national parents? Are they Irish enough to stay?

Does linegage come into this, by the way? What if your great-grandparents came over from England. Are you still OK, are would you now have to leave?

I don't think you've really thought this plan of your through. If you have, you can answer those questions and we can take it from there, but I'd be surprised to find an straight answer to any of them that isn't a link to another sad little website.


Oh, and about the flag, it's simple really, wear some read and white, and wave a CORK flag. You there to support CORK remember, so you could at least fly the CORK flag. The Confederates didn't enter the Champinship, they couldn't field a team. If you want to wave the confederate flag, move to Texas, sort out a team, beat the New York one and qualify for the Connaught Championship. Then you can go wave your confederate flag, and watch as you get hammered by the CORK team, and their CORK-flag waving supporters.
I don't care what the flag does or does not mean to anyone anywhere, it's not a CORK flag, so it has no business in the stands. Oh, and get your politics right, it's not the left you need to wory about on this, it's the right.

The left will ban the flag and confiscate it from you, the right will ban the flag and throw you in jail for it. :)

[MonTheHoops]

Whether its banned or not, what's worse is all the muppets who'll run out and buy one now in an attempt to be "street"

[ho chi feen]

In all sincerity, I had held up higher hopes for the folks in Ireland, but I still cling to the fact that many on this forum do not represent Ireland as a whole.

All of the Irish men and women I know can hold their own utilizing intelligence to present an argument, as opposed to gutter language. This is atypical of the press in the United States, feed the masses horse manure and let them drown in it.

However, thanks to stormfront.org we are turning the tide on ignorance and we will save Ireland from the hordes of invaders, despite the fact that many have thrown in the towel.

One day ya’ll will thank us when the Confederate flag proudly flies over a white homeland and the African flag flies where it belongs…in Africa!

gwonyalanger.

[jank]

THIS THREAD IS SOOOO FULL OF SHITE\

a FLAG IS A FLAG THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT

gROW UP YE FUCKERS THAT THINK TIS RACIST OR BAD OR TOO UN SIGHTLY CAUSE YOU WANT TO CRY OVER SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED 150 YEARS AGO

GROW THE FUCK UP LIKE GET ON WITH IT AND STOP KNOCKING THE REBEL FALG CAUSE NO ONE GIVES A SHIT REALLY OK ]



END OF

[Sugref]

THIS THREAD IS SOOOO FULL OF SHITE\

a FLAG IS A FLAG THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT

gROW UP YE FUCKERS THAT THINK TIS RACIST OR BAD OR TOO UN SIGHTLY CAUSE YOU WANT TO CRY OVER SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED 150 YEARS AGO

GROW THE FUCK UP LIKE GET ON WITH IT AND STOP KNOCKING THE REBEL FALG CAUSE NO ONE GIVES A SHIT REALLY OK ]



END OF


Gimp!

[rocky black]

THIS THREAD IS SOOOO FULL OF SHITE\

a FLAG IS A FLAG THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT

gROW UP YE FUCKERS THAT THINK TIS RACIST OR BAD OR TOO UN SIGHTLY CAUSE YOU WANT TO CRY OVER SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED 150 YEARS AGO

GROW THE FUCK UP LIKE GET ON WITH IT AND STOP KNOCKING THE REBEL FALG CAUSE NO ONE GIVES A SHIT REALLY OK ]



END OF

did you look at the screen once as you typed that? seriously?

[Sugref]

AND STOP KNOCKING THE REBEL FALG


What's a rebel falg?

[rocky black]

must be some sort of statue

[Sugref]

Erected to honor a great dyslexic renegade perhaps?

[rocky black]

hahaha "erected"

ya know what ya mean though. i hope for his own sake he's drunk.

[Sugref]

hahaha "erected"

ya know what ya mean though. i hope for his own sake he's drunk.

Nah, he's just plain stoopid I'd say. I'm off for a dump.

[rocky black]

im off for a sleep. still not tired. fuck sake.

[Out da Lough Like]

Those crazy looney lefties (Joe Moore) in the Socialist "Workers" Party have called on the GAA to ban the Confederate Flag from GAA grounds on the basis that it is "racist," and "Celebrates slavery." They want the flags to be confiscated from Cork supporters upon entry into Croke Park.


Now as you are all no doubt aware, I have an open mind on these matters, but what do ye think of this latest hare brained suggestion by these stinking commie politically correct fuckers?


Here is the aforementioned flag:


http://www.asbandeiras.hpg. ig.com.br/mundo/07estunidconfed1860. JPG


To get back to my original point, I'm glad that the GAA didn't confiscate the Confederate Flags, as they added a lot of colour to the glorious occasion.

Up The Rebels!!


(Sorry, should we also stop using the word "rebels," as well?)

;)

[womblewilly]

The left will ban the flag and confiscate it from you, the right will ban the flag and throw you in jail for it. :)

Try saying that in Tianamen Square or Havana.

[Finch]

I haven't read much of this thread and I haven't seen any of your opinions
(mostly b/c im lazy)
Here's my 2 cents, from a true yank.. (meanin that i live north of the mason-dixon)

The confederate flag should NOT be banned. I am not racist, but i can't figure out why people think that the flag is a 'racist statement.' The Confederacy tried to break away from the Union and the confederate flag is a symbol of their freedom from a government that they didn't like. Although the Union won the war, the Confederates are still proud of their heritage...

The Americans beat the Brits in two wars and nobody's trying to ban the British flag.. What's the difference between that statement and banning the Confederate flag???

That's my view on the flag..
And if I were a southerner, i'd be proud if my flag was being flown in other countries at events. It stands for freedom and what people are willing to do in order to be free from someone who oppresses them..

[jank]

I wonder how many here were actually there on sunday yet are nice and cosy sitting in front of their pc's for the day and write 24.....yes thats 24 pages of bullshit


I have news for ye, Nobody really cares to be honest....

[pin suddenly drops...]

Is there a mod somewhere that can lock this thread?

[shamalive]

I wonder how many here were actually there on sunday yet are nice and cosy sitting in front of their pc's for the day and write 24.....yes thats 24 pages of bullshit


I have news for ye, Nobody really cares to be honest....

[pin suddenly drops...]

Is there a mod somewhere that can lock this thread?


We dont do "mods" around here, newbie....
And if there's 24 pages that surely means that people DO care....
PS - you might wanna lamp when the thread was 1st started...

[monday]

As a Cork person I have always been proud to go up to Croker or Semple Stadium and cheer on my county. One aspect of that (besides the regular winning) I have always loved is the whole array of different flags and banners that Cork people use to declare their allegiance to Cork. I think it’s wonderful to see the ocean of crimson that greets a Cork score (or, this weekend, a Shefflin wide) and all the diverse flags that make up that stirring sight.

To find some people politicising that colour and spectacle for their own ends strikes me as a little bit small minded and annoying. Obviously, on the other end of the equation, I'm incredibly disappointed that some of the more vocal backers of the confederate flag (on this thread) seem to be extreme right-wing loons (Cletus and Alsace spring to mind) but I don’t believe that they are representative.

I think that a great part of the experience at being at a live match is roaring your team on (esp at THAT point in the game) and the colour, pageantry and excitement that the Cork end always bring to a stadium with the red banners flying proudly in the wind is a big part of that experience and a big part of why we are regarded as the best supporters in the country.

I find it humourous that the anti-capitalist SWP fella Joe Moore that complained originally about the Confederate flag didn’t complain about the soviet hammer and sickle flag:)
Oh, but wait, that flag represented violence and intolerance for basic human rights in an Anti-Capitalist regime! That’s OK, then I guess.

I’m not saying I’m a proud Canadian if I’m waving the red and white maple leaf flag at a Cork game; I’m waving my county’s colours around.
I would never regard a Corkonian with an American Flag, a Canadian Flag, a Confederate Flag or a Turkish one as ‘too cheap’ to get a real Cork flag. C’mon guys! They’re often harder to come by.
(Wish I had the Bahrain one, it looks class – hope it wouldn’t insult some UAE ex-pat:))

http://www.flags.net/indexb.htm

Finally, I know I’m flogging this but I want to emphasise that I don't see a non-'Corcaigh' flag and look at it and go:
" What's that commie/racist/canadian/turkish/american/japanese laaanger doing supporting my team?"
I think:
"Nice Flag."
Maybe I'm a bit naive and look at this too simply though:)

P.S: Really interesting thread to read.

[womblewilly]

As a Cork person I have always been proud to go up to Croker or Semple Stadium and cheer on my county. One aspect of that (besides the regular winning) I have always loved is the whole array of different flags and banners that Cork people use to declare their allegiance to Cork. I think it’s wonderful to see the ocean of crimson that greets a Cork score (or, this weekend, a Shefflin wide) and all the diverse flags that make up that stirring sight.

To find some people politicising that colour and spectacle for their own ends strikes me as a little bit small minded and annoying. Obviously, on the other end of the equation, I'm incredibly disappointed that some of the more vocal backers of the confederate flag (on this thread) seem to be extreme right-wing loons (Cletus and Alsace spring to mind) but I don’t believe that they are representative.

I think that a great part of the experience at being at a live match is roaring your team on (esp at THAT point in the game) and the colour, pageantry and excitement that the Cork end always bring to a stadium with the red banners flying proudly in the wind is a big part of that experience and a big part of why we are regarded as the best supporters in the country.

I find it humourous that the anti-capitalist SWP fella Joe Moore that complained originally about the Confederate flag didn’t complain about the soviet hammer and sickle flag:)
Oh, but wait, that flag represented violence and intolerance for basic human rights in an Anti-Capitalist regime! That’s OK, then I guess.

I’m not saying I’m a proud Canadian if I’m waving the red and white maple leaf flag at a Cork game; I’m waving my county’s colours around.
I would never regard a Corkonian with an American Flag, a Canadian Flag, a Confederate Flag or a Turkish one as ‘too cheap’ to get a real Cork flag. C’mon guys! They’re often harder to come by.
(Wish I had the Bahrain one, it looks class – hope it wouldn’t insult some UAE ex-pat:))

http://www.flags.net/indexb.htm

Finally, I know I’m flogging this but I want to emphasise that I don't see a non-'Corcaigh' flag and look at it and go:
" What's that commie/racist/canadian/turkish/american/japanese laaanger doing supporting my team?"
I think:
"Nice Flag."
Maybe I'm a bit naive and look at this too simply though:)

P.S: Really interesting thread to read.

Spot on post.

First it'll be our flags, then our right to tell Kerryman jokes.

[Out da Lough Like]

Spot on post.

First it'll be our flags, then our right to tell Kerryman jokes.


And then they'll try to take our women.

[Out da Lough Like]

*bump*

[ho chi feen]

*bump*

*thump*

[Out da Lough Like]

*thump*


*hump*


Lauren & Vieira...heh heh heh...

[ho chi feen]

Do you serisously think Cork people will have a Nazi flag lying around at home?

You'd be surprised.

[Gbee]

the basis that it is "racist," and "Celebrates slavery." They want the flags to be confiscated from Cork supporters upon entry into Croke Park.

....? If it did I guess we'd see it down Pana every day and especially bloody weekend!!!! But do we?

[Coalkay]

The United States whose emblem the Confederate flag actually was have discontinued its use because of its history and unseemly associations. Of course the langers in Cork, imitators not innovators, know better about their purloined symbol and are ignornant of and impervious to such subtlety, decency and humanity. It ties in with Cork's growing reputation as capital of racism too. These can't be unrelated. Kork Kapital of Kulture me arse!

[Out da Lough Like]

The United States whose emblem the Confederate flag actually was have discontinued its use because of its history and unseemly associations. Of course the langers in Cork, imitators not innovators, know better about their purloined symbol and are ignornant of and impervious to such subtlety, decency and humanity. It ties in with Cork's growing reputation as capital of racism too. These can't be unrelated. Kork Kapital of Kulture me arse!


Go back to Russia.

[starchaser]

have a look at this
http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/african/2000/lynching.htm

and this
http://www.withoutsanctuary .com

and then come back to me and say that waving the confederate flag is a good idea...

[PigCapitalist]

The United States whose emblem the Confederate flag actually was have discontinued its use because of its history and unseemly associations. Of course the langers in Cork, imitators not innovators, know better about their purloined symbol and are ignornant of and impervious to such subtlety, decency and humanity. It ties in with Cork's growing reputation as capital of racism too. These can't be unrelated. Kork Kapital of Kulture me arse!
Not true - the Confederate flag is widely flown in the South - over State buildings etc. The Civil war is referred to as "The War of Northern Agression" even in schools. I hate that flag, it is a way of asaying - Slavery should be legal - what it means to Corkonians is dubious -

[Out da Lough Like]

have a look at this
http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/african/2000/lynching.htm

and this
http://www.withoutsanctuary .com

and then come back to me and say that waving the confederate flag is a good idea...

The Confederate battle flag represents all Southerners and even Northern Confederates from states such as Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, and others, who supported the South and who even tried to secede from the Union and form their own nation but whose efforts for freedom were crushed by Lincoln's troops. Confederate Indians, Hispanics, Blacks, and Whites all received Confederate pensions after the War and attended Confederate veterans' reunions together, year after year, just as they had suffered and fought together during the War. The Confederate battle flag represents all Confederates, regardless of race or religion, and is the symbol of less government, less taxes, and the right of a people to govern themselves. It is flown in memory of all of those who willingly shed their blood for Southern independence

[starchaser]

Not true - the Confederate flag is widely flown in the South - over State buildings etc. The Civil war is referred to as "The War of Northern Agression" even in schools. I hate that flag, it is a way of asaying - Slavery should be legal - what it means to Corkonians is dubious -

yeah , but there's fierce pressure and lobbying to get rid of it.

wasnt there a court case recently , where they got rid of it in Alabama, and stopped it flying over some town hall there?

[Rebelred]

hey there fellers,
just back from my local KKK meeting,me and the boys done some good negro bashing,and tomorrow,we gonna go watch us a game,and we gonna go take our flags,and shove em up the socialist partys hole!!!!!!!!!



come on the rebels!

[Alsace Hebert]

From time to time, I shall impart my knowledge of history and important information relative to the SOUTH, as I do routinely as a member of stormfront.org. I have posted a link that tells you “Everything you wanted to know about the Confederate flag”

Here is the link.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/sho...1&postcount=361 http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=10871 91&postcount=361

It is quite easy to post pictures of lynching, but that only obscures the true meaning of St. Andrews Cross and furthers serves the political agenda of certain Jews and blacks to disrupt our Western Christian heritage for present political and economic gain.

The moral argument against slavery arose early in the New England shipping colonies but it could not withstand the profits of the trade and soon died out." Slavery did not appear in the deep South until northern settlers began to migrate South, bringing with them their slaves. It was soon discovered that while slaves were not suited to the harsh climate and working conditions of the north, they were ideal sources of cheap labor for the newly flourishing economy of the agricultural South. Of the 9.5 million slaves brought to the Western Hemisphere from 1500 - 1870, less than 6% were brought to the United States. This means that our Hispanic, British and French neighbors owned over 94% of the slaves brought to the New World. In the South, less than 7% of the total population ever owned a slave. In other words, over 93% of Southerners did not own any slaves. Attempts to outlaw the slave trade in the north only increased the profits of smuggling. In 1858, only two years prior to the birth of the Confederacy, Stephen Douglas noted that over 15,000 slaves had been smuggled into New York alone, with over 85 vessels sailing from New York in 1859 to smuggle even more slaves. Perhaps it was their own guilt that drove the abolitionists of the day to point an accusing finger at the South, while closing their eyes to the slavery and the slave trade taking place in their own back yards.

Yes, the detractors will always say that the Confederate flag is “racist” because the truth is something they can not defend on their own merit. I have two women, both directly and indirectly, in my life as a testament to this fact. Personally, I have always lived by the same philosophy and a few quotes in particular. Remember this one by Mark Twain. If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything.

Becoming a successful person in America or Ireland, as always, includes giving due consideration to your father’s admonitions and wisdom. For the most part, your father is wiser than you are – and he always will be. Wisdom comes chiefly through getting older. Since your father will always be older than you, he will always be wiser. Young people should also read the words and deeds of great men of the past.

One such example is that great Virginian, Robert E. Lee. Most remembered for his military leadership of the Confederacy, Lee should also be known for his wisdom as an educator, husband, and father of four girls and three boys. Lee was a man’s man and his example of self-control, self-denial, patience, humility, and principled approach to life is worthy of emulation. As Lee’s military career kept him away from his family for extended periods, he maintained a steady and intimate correspondence with them. His letters often contained words of wisdom for both his wife and children. Lee imparted his accumulated wisdom to not only his own family, but also to the young men of Washington College (renamed Washington and Lee after Lee’s death) while he served as the school’s president. Lee took the opportunity of offering advice seriously. After accepting the presidency of Washington College, he wrote: "I have a self-imposed task. I have led the young men of the South in battle. I must teach their sons to discharge their duty in life."

Lee’s letters and correspondences reveal the character of the man as pointed out by author Bishop Robert R. Brown: "There is no recorded instance when his conversation in the field or barracks could not have been equally acceptable in a lady’s drawing room. An examination of the two-thousand letters which still exist fails to uncover the slightest suggestion of vulgarity." In other words, this honorable man never uttered a single cuss word.

These are among the best pieces of advice I can give to the two of you.
On debt and frugal living: "It is easier to make our wishes conform to our means, than to make our means to conform to our wishes." ~ Lee writing to one of his sons, 22 August 1860.
On marriage: "Never marry unless you can do so into a family that will enable your children to feel proud of both sides of the house." ~ General Lee writing to J.B. Hood. Don’t wife hunt in bars or tattoo parlors.
On minding your own business: "Meddle or interfere with nothing with which you have no concern." ~ Lee to his sons, 30 November 1845.
On humility: "It’s all my fault." ~ Lee at Gettysburg. Be willing to admit your mistakes and take blame.
On honesty: "Private and public life are subject to the same rules; and truth and manliness are two qualities that will carry you through this world much better than policy, or tact, or expediency, or any other word that was ever devised to conceal or mystify a deviation from a straight line." ~ One of Lee’s personal maxims. A young man should say what he means and mean what he says. Avoid the demeaning examples of politicians, government bureaucrats, and lawyers.
On manliness: "A man may manifest and communicate his joy, but he should conceal and smother his grief as much as possible." ~ Lee to Mrs. Ann Fitzhugh.
On work: "There is scarcely anything that is right that we cannot hope to accomplish by labor and perseverance. But the first must be earnest and the second unremitting." ~ Lee to Martha Williams.
On reading material: "Read history, works of truth, not novels and romances." ~ Lee’s oft’ repeated advice to his children.
On education: "The education of a man or woman is never completed until they die." ~ Lee writing to son Custis, 5 December 1860.
On what’s important: "Be true kind, and generous, and pray earnestly to God to enable you to keep His commandments and walk in the same all the days of your life." ~ Lee to his sons, 31 March 1846.

FLY OUR SOUTHERN FLAG (DIXIE) AND FLY IT WITH THE SAME PRIDE THAT OUR FOREFATHERS MAINTAINED WHEN THEY DEFENDED NOT SLAVERY, BUT THE INVASION AND DESTRUCTION OF ONE OF THE FINEST CULTURAL HERITAGES THIS PLANET HAS EVER KNOWN.

Alsace Hebert

[ho chi feen]

From time to time, I shall impart my knowledge of history and important information relative to the SOUTH, as I do routinely as a member of stormfront.org. I have posted a link that tells you “Everything you wanted to know about the Confederate flag”

Here is the link.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/sho...1&postcount=361 http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=10871 91&postcount=361

It is quite easy to post pictures of lynching, but that only obscures the true meaning of St. Andrews Cross and furthers serves the political agenda of certain Jews and blacks to disrupt our Western Christian heritage for present political and economic gain.

The moral argument against slavery arose early in the New England shipping colonies but it could not withstand the profits of the trade and soon died out." Slavery did not appear in the deep South until northern settlers began to migrate South, bringing with them their slaves. It was soon discovered that while slaves were not suited to the harsh climate and working conditions of the north, they were ideal sources of cheap labor for the newly flourishing economy of the agricultural South. Of the 9.5 million slaves brought to the Western Hemisphere from 1500 - 1870, less than 6% were brought to the United States. This means that our Hispanic, British and French neighbors owned over 94% of the slaves brought to the New World. In the South, less than 7% of the total population ever owned a slave. In other words, over 93% of Southerners did not own any slaves. Attempts to outlaw the slave trade in the north only increased the profits of smuggling. In 1858, only two years prior to the birth of the Confederacy, Stephen Douglas noted that over 15,000 slaves had been smuggled into New York alone, with over 85 vessels sailing from New York in 1859 to smuggle even more slaves. Perhaps it was their own guilt that drove the abolitionists of the day to point an accusing finger at the South, while closing their eyes to the slavery and the slave trade taking place in their own back yards.

Yes, the detractors will always say that the Confederate flag is “racist” because the truth is something they can not defend on their own merit. I have two women, both directly and indirectly, in my life as a testament to this fact. Personally, I have always lived by the same philosophy and a few quotes in particular. Remember this one by Mark Twain. If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything.

Becoming a successful person in America or Ireland, as always, includes giving due consideration to your father’s admonitions and wisdom. For the most part, your father is wiser than you are – and he always will be. Wisdom comes chiefly through getting older. Since your father will always be older than you, he will always be wiser. Young people should also read the words and deeds of great men of the past.

One such example is that great Virginian, Robert E. Lee. Most remembered for his military leadership of the Confederacy, Lee should also be known for his wisdom as an educator, husband, and father of four girls and three boys. Lee was a man’s man and his example of self-control, self-denial, patience, humility, and principled approach to life is worthy of emulation. As Lee’s military career kept him away from his family for extended periods, he maintained a steady and intimate correspondence with them. His letters often contained words of wisdom for both his wife and children. Lee imparted his accumulated wisdom to not only his own family, but also to the young men of Washington College (renamed Washington and Lee after Lee’s death) while he served as the school’s president. Lee took the opportunity of offering advice seriously. After accepting the presidency of Washington College, he wrote: "I have a self-imposed task. I have led the young men of the South in battle. I must teach their sons to discharge their duty in life."

Lee’s letters and correspondences reveal the character of the man as pointed out by author Bishop Robert R. Brown: "There is no recorded instance when his conversation in the field or barracks could not have been equally acceptable in a lady’s drawing room. An examination of the two-thousand letters which still exist fails to uncover the slightest suggestion of vulgarity." In other words, this honorable man never uttered a single cuss word.

These are among the best pieces of advice I can give to the two of you.
On debt and frugal living: "It is easier to make our wishes conform to our means, than to make our means to conform to our wishes." ~ Lee writing to one of his sons, 22 August 1860.
On marriage: "Never marry unless you can do so into a family that will enable your children to feel proud of both sides of the house." ~ General Lee writing to J.B. Hood. Don’t wife hunt in bars or tattoo parlors.
On minding your own business: "Meddle or interfere with nothing with which you have no concern." ~ Lee to his sons, 30 November 1845.
On humility: "It’s all my fault." ~ Lee at Gettysburg. Be willing to admit your mistakes and take blame.
On honesty: "Private and public life are subject to the same rules; and truth and manliness are two qualities that will carry you through this world much better than policy, or tact, or expediency, or any other word that was ever devised to conceal or mystify a deviation from a straight line." ~ One of Lee’s personal maxims. A young man should say what he means and mean what he says. Avoid the demeaning examples of politicians, government bureaucrats, and lawyers.
On manliness: "A man may manifest and communicate his joy, but he should conceal and smother his grief as much as possible." ~ Lee to Mrs. Ann Fitzhugh.
On work: "There is scarcely anything that is right that we cannot hope to accomplish by labor and perseverance. But the first must be earnest and the second unremitting." ~ Lee to Martha Williams.
On reading material: "Read history, works of truth, not novels and romances." ~ Lee’s oft’ repeated advice to his children.
On education: "The education of a man or woman is never completed until they die." ~ Lee writing to son Custis, 5 December 1860.
On what’s important: "Be true kind, and generous, and pray earnestly to God to enable you to keep His commandments and walk in the same all the days of your life." ~ Lee to his sons, 31 March 1846.

FLY OUR SOUTHERN FLAG (DIXIE) AND FLY IT WITH THE SAME PRIDE THAT OUR FOREFATHERS MAINTAINED WHEN THEY DEFENDED NOT SLAVERY, BUT THE INVASION AND DESTRUCTION OF ONE OF THE FINEST CULTURAL HERITAGES THIS PLANET HAS EVER KNOWN.

Alsace Hebert

Would you ever cop on and get a girlfriend, or a boyfriend, or something you pathetic loser?

[smiley]

That Flag has been flying before there was niggers crawling around the whole country. If those socialists want to get some nigger votes they should go and suck there fat black cocks.

Just because its flown doesn't mean we're supporting slavery(although i am). The japanise flag and american flag and any other flag with a bit of red in it are flown aswell doesn't mean we want to be japanise or american.Fucking langers.I'm going to go out and buy one just to piss people off.

[Gbee]

Would you ever cop on and get a girlfriend, or a boyfriend, or something you pathetic loser?

.... I thought it was an excellent response, but seemingly it went over your head, more's the pity on you, sad really.

[Gbee]

That Flag has been flying before there was niggers crawling around the whole country. If those socialists want to get some nigger votes they should go and suck there fat black cocks..

... yes indeed the socialists realise that the blacks will be in the majority and running the country in a few more years.

Votes is what this is about, they are hoping their black masters will throw them a few crumbs … votes is what it's about all right.

[Waddit*]

I remember when some Cork fans had the Swastika flying.No one batted an eyelid.How times have changed!!

[STEVIEG]

I agree it's only a flag doesn't bother me in the slightest

Personally, i'd be a lot more offended by some of the racial hatred being spouted a few posts ago but each to their own........

[canada_bhoy]

fawking hell is this still going on?

who supports slavery?muppets.

I vote for the line from bulworth

'we all gotta keep fawking until everyones the same damn colour'

[STEVIEG]

That's it in a nutshell!

[PigCapitalist]

a very wise man once said that 'blind allegience to a flag or state is fundamentally evil'

i said the same about sunbabe

tucker
four legs good
two legs baaaaad

[Superior]

I can sort this.

Since no one flying it seems to be flying it because of its' historical/political connatations then just fly it UPSIDE DOWN. You still get the colour and so forth but, by flying it upside down, you're showing it disrespect.

See? Problem solved.


IMO. While I quite like the colour at the matches to say the flag has no negative connatations isn't true. I'd imagine many of those who fly in the flag in the US are flying it because they hold those negative connatation to be a valued thing and other fly it because they want to reclaim it.
We, Cork, have little in common with the deep south of America. Cork isn't known as the Rebel County because of it's opposition to English rule. It's knows as the RC because Cork folk sided with the Yorkists during the War of the Roses in England. What part of Cork is York in?
Someone mentioned the flag being relevant to something that took place 150 years ago. The flag was being used to terrorise people much more recently than that.
As far as the SWP go - this is a convient talking point that ensures them media coverage. How are the SWP affected by the flag? Did any of them suffer under it?
I'd suggest that we pay as much attention to their point of view as we would to some far-right party who suggested taking down this website because of stylistic similarities with communist paraphanelia.
Now if someone has a genuine problem with it than get them on here to put their point of view.
If people want to fly it, fine. Just be aware of what it stands for.
IMO

[TonyCochrane]

I can sort this.

Since no one flying it seems to be flying it because of its' historical/political connatations then just fly it UPSIDE DOWN. You still get the colour and so forth but, by flying it upside down, you're showing it disrespect.



Would that make a difference? Surely it doesn't matter which way up you fly the stars and bars?

[Superior]

Would that make a difference? Surely it doesn't matter which way up you fly the stars and bars?


Well, if ya fly ol' star spangly upside down it's a sign of distress/danger. And an insult.

[INTHEZOONE]

I don't think people understand what the Southern flag represents. I am proud to say I am from the South, and I fly my flag high. The American flag flew for more than 100 years for slavery, not only for blacks but for poor white share croppers as well. Then why do we associate the Southern flag with slavery? In fact, the release of slaves was initiated only in rebellion states as a counter attack on an already dying institution. However, many slaves were still held, well after 1865 in the antebellum states. Sharecroppers after the war were forced out of their homes by carpetbaggers (Northerners who moved south) and given lowered wages by persons deeming the scotch-Irish and German locals as 'ill-bred.'
The southern rebellion was about standing up against big corporations and against government oppression and standing up for personal freedoms. Most southern fighters were too poor to even own slaves, and fought out of their own belief of person freedom from government oppression. They fought to change unfair taxation on over priced land. They fought to have the right to rule themselves, without some trumped up new yorker and his yankee friends pushing their nose in. They fought for immigration rights and social equality. This misnomer that the South is full of illiterate, ill-bred, and raciest persons is untrue, and left overs of government campaigns against rebellion states.