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poulgorm
19-01-2010, 09:13 PM
The Government should adopt the Ronald Regan approach: it's the only way to sort out IMPACT.
IMPACT have totally lost the run of themselves. These people are the most selfish bastards imaginable. They just don't know where to draw the line. Could you imagine, if you want to get a connecting flight tomorrow...
The so-called suspended staff have been sent home - but they are on full pay!
rebelicecreamman
19-01-2010, 09:19 PM
Can anyone clarify just what these changes in 'work practices' are for which these guys want more money?
They'd want to be substantial.
These guys enjoy a defined benefit pension to which they themselves contribute nothing and their employer contributes 30% of their salary.
Corcaigh32
19-01-2010, 09:29 PM
Oh we better hope Enda gets an overall, cos IMPACT will have Gilmore watching their backs otherwise. :)
Can anyone clarify just what these changes in 'work practices' are for which these guys want more money?
Probably got a new kettle in the canteen and have to be thought how to use it
Corcaigh32
19-01-2010, 09:49 PM
Like the nurses in the mid-western who are complaining because people are overcrowded in the wards because they introduced a system that ensured people wouldn't be kept in A&E on trollies for too long. Can't win.
Mick Lyons
19-01-2010, 09:53 PM
Hungry fuckers.
Who needs them anyway?
Planes should just beep their horns at each other when they get too close.
Cliff Barnes
20-01-2010, 04:54 PM
Sack the lot of them like they did in the U.S.A. that would soften their overpaid coffs.
Hire a the cheapest Eastern European qualified controllers.
The highly paid striking tossers.
rebelicecreamman
20-01-2010, 05:05 PM
160,000 pa plus free flights plus defined benefit non-contributary pension.
They're taking the piss.
Dulcepericulum
20-01-2010, 06:55 PM
Can anyone clarify just what these changes in 'work practices' are for which these guys want more money?
They'd want to be substantial.
These guys enjoy a defined benefit pension to which they themselves contribute nothing and their employer contributes 30% of their salary.
The 'work stoppage' was not for the 6% pay rise they were promised two years ago (although this is the main reason put forward by the media) but in protest at the suspension of 16 fellow workers. Untill the suspension from work there was no threat of industrial action. The pay thing is being dealth with in the Labour Court. The new work practises as far as I know is to do with new equipment and technology although Im open to correction there.
At this stage, if they are successful I say more power to them.
On the pay side , AFAIK they dont pay the pension levy so as someone who does you might think I would begrudge them.(In typical Irish fashion) Not at all!( although I am interested in how much they earn! ) If I was suspended from work over a simular dispute I would appreciate such a backing from colleagues.
Dan Brown
20-01-2010, 07:11 PM
It's all a big laugh and a joke to these union fellas.
I'd sort their grievances.
Mossybanks
20-01-2010, 07:27 PM
The 'work stoppage' was not for the 6% pay rise they were promised two years ago (although this is the main reason put forward by the media) but in protest at the suspension of 16 fellow workers. Untill the suspension from work there was no threat of industrial action. The pay thing is being dealth with in the Labour Court. The new work practises as far as I know is to do with new equipment and technology although Im open to correction there.
At this stage, if they are successful I say more power to them.
On the pay side , AFAIK they dont pay the pension levy so as someone who does you might think I would begrudge them.(In typical Irish fashion) Not at all!( although I am interested in how much they earn! ) If I was suspended from work over a simular dispute I would appreciate such a backing from colleagues.
They earn €115,000 a year. Their average salary is €160,000. The IAA (you and me) pay 30% of their salary every year into a pension fund for them.
They have been given new systems to work with.
They refused to use the new systems until their pay claim had been resolved to their satisfaction.
16 of them were suspended (on full pay!) for refusing to use the systems.
Their union IMPACT, called a "mandatory" meeting for today to discuss industrial action.
They walked off the job.
They are treasonous obnoxious fucking cunts who should be strung up.
They are as bad as the bankers and developers. We should never give into them.
It's all a big laugh and a joke to these union fellas.
You are dead right
Dulcepericulum
20-01-2010, 08:09 PM
They are as bad as the bankers and developers. We should never give into them.
I would'nt agree with that, but I do admit they have no sympathy from me on the pay issue!
I think that today we should be more concerned with (1) the 'secret' banking inquiry, and (2) the revelation that AIB loaned 550 million of the national pension reserve to Liam Carroll( money that was meant for small and medium business.) and (3) FF and the Greens are still in government and FG are the other option!
The Cork Screw
20-01-2010, 09:58 PM
The Irish Aviation Authority this morning called on the air traffic controllers to resume normal working, suspend their 6% pay claim, and accept the introduction of staff contributions to their pension scheme.
In a statement, the IAA said the average controller earned a total of €160,000, with the top 10% earning up to €230,000.
Heh heh heh.
Will the last person who leaves Ireland please turn off the lights, lads?
No point in wasting good electricity.
Professor Piehead
20-01-2010, 10:02 PM
Sack the lot of them like they did in the U.S.A. that would soften their overpaid coffs.
Hire a the cheapest Eastern European qualified controllers.
The highly paid striking tossers.
Right on.
Sulking because they're upgrading from windows xp to Vista or windows 7.
They're only at work for half the focking year. I expect to hear one of these twats on the radio saying they made nothing out of the 'Celtic Tiger'.
Tony Angelino
20-01-2010, 10:42 PM
those cunts get a 30 minute break every 2 hrs
Corcaigh32
20-01-2010, 10:49 PM
those cunts get a 30 minute break every 2 hrs
To be fair that's not what I would complain about - they need to be alert 100% of the time. It's the shit they are giving out about that bugs me.
Tony Angelino
20-01-2010, 10:53 PM
their on too much money -assholes should be fired and replaced by people on half their money
their on too much money -assholes should be fired and replaced by people on half their moneyI'm sure there are loads of Eastern Europeans willing to do it for half the cost
blackforest
21-01-2010, 03:17 AM
The Government should adopt the Ronald Regan approach: it's the only way to sort out IMPACT.
IMPACT have totally lost the run of themselves. These people are the most selfish bastards imaginable. They just don't know where to draw the line. Could you imagine, if you want to get a connecting flight tomorrow...
The so-called suspended staff have been sent home - but they are on full pay!
repped and repped again
sockspumper
21-01-2010, 03:22 AM
Well payed arseholes.
These unions are the scum of the earth.
O'Leary tore them a new one on six one.
blackforest
21-01-2010, 03:26 AM
I would'nt agree with that, but I do admit they have no sympathy from me on the pay issue!
I think that today we should be more concerned with (1) the 'secret' banking inquiry, and (2) the revelation that AIB loaned 550 million of the national pension reserve to Liam Carroll( money that was meant for small and medium business.) and (3) FF and the Greens are still in government and FG are the other option!
What the hell are you on about, are you one of them? Sixteen of them are suspended because they won't adapt to modern technology without getting a pay rise?? Get a life will you?
blackforest
21-01-2010, 03:28 AM
their on too much money -assholes should be fired and replaced by people on half their money
I'd do the job for 50 grand in the wink of an eye, and a better conscientious job too. Makes me utterly sick.
the puerto rican feen
21-01-2010, 08:00 AM
The 'work stoppage' was not for the 6% pay rise they were promised two years ago (although this is the main reason put forward by the media) but in protest at the suspension of 16 fellow workers. Untill the suspension from work there was no threat of industrial action. The pay thing is being dealth with in the Labour Court. The new work practises as far as I know is to do with new equipment and technology although Im open to correction there.
At this stage, if they are successful I say more power to them.
On the pay side , AFAIK they dont pay the pension levy so as someone who does you might think I would begrudge them.(In typical Irish fashion) Not at all!( although I am interested in how much they earn! ) If I was suspended from work over a simular dispute I would appreciate such a backing from colleagues.
Why were the 16 suspended ?
the puerto rican feen
21-01-2010, 08:11 AM
What the hell are you on about, are you one of them? Sixteen of them are suspended because they won't adapt to modern technology without getting a pay rise?? Get a life will you?
ok, just saw this, typical union attitude. Was listening to the impact guy yesterday on the last word.
It would not happen in the private sector.
I seem to remember some workers in DAA going on strike over the introduction of check-in kiosks.
Ridiculous.
Rebelred
21-01-2010, 09:56 AM
The 'work stoppage' was not for the 6% pay rise they were promised two years ago (although this is the main reason put forward by the media) but in protest at the suspension of 16 fellow workers. Untill the suspension from work there was no threat of industrial action. The pay thing is being dealth with in the Labour Court. The new work practises as far as I know is to do with new equipment and technology although Im open to correction there.
At this stage, if they are successful I say more power to them.
On the pay side , AFAIK they dont pay the pension levy so as someone who does you might think I would begrudge them.(In typical Irish fashion) Not at all!( although I am interested in how much they earn! ) If I was suspended from work over a simular dispute I would appreciate such a backing from colleagues.
Imagine, the obscenity of having to contribute to YOUR OWN FUCKING PENSION... shocking stuff altogether.
imagine, the obscenity of having to contribute to your own fucking pension... Shocking stuff altogether.its insane!
Imagine, the obscenity of having to contribute to YOUR OWN FUCKING PENSION... shocking stuff altogether.
Its worse than communist Russia ffs.
Rebelred
21-01-2010, 12:33 PM
Its worse than communist Russia ffs.
what next!
5 day weeks?
less than 20 days sick leave without the requirement for a doctors note?
Where will this madness end I wonder?
Funky Munky
21-01-2010, 05:51 PM
ok, just saw this, typical union attitude. Was listening to the impact guy yesterday on the last word.
It would not happen in the private sector.
I seem to remember some workers in DAA going on strike over the introduction of check-in kiosks.
Ridiculous.
ESB workers wanted €75,000 "disturbance" money because the ESB wanted to change the name of the company from ESB to Eirgrid... FACT:roll:
i_didnt_do_nawtin
21-01-2010, 05:59 PM
Have the flights to Union-land been cancelled?
Wings
21-01-2010, 07:25 PM
The above pages make me laugh with the total lack of knowledge of pay,the IAA,ATC operations and ATC technology and just about anything aviation,just remeber the high standard ATC operate here in Ireland,yet you see incompetent ministers,bankers and civil servants on more money
As for O'leary tearing the controllers a new one?? we'l see who has the last laugh when his aircraft want a shortcut or free speed,which the controllers break their balls to accomodate usually.
High quality service=high pay
http://irishatcfactfile.wor dpress.com/2010/01/19/the-second-effort-is-pure-spin/
Dulcepericulum
21-01-2010, 07:31 PM
What the hell are you on about, are you one of them? Sixteen of them are suspended because they won't adapt to modern technology without getting a pay rise?? Get a life will you?
I wish I was with their pay.;)
Why were the 16 suspended ?
Dont know tbh.
It would not happen in the private sector.
Ridiculous.
Thats because it very difficult to join or be a member of a union in the private sector.
Imagine, the obscenity of having to contribute to YOUR OWN FUCKING PENSION... shocking stuff altogether.
I pay for my pension. Dont you get worked up about it.
ripple
21-01-2010, 09:16 PM
http://irishatcfactfile.wor dpress.com/2010/01/19/the-second-effort-is-pure-spin/
finally the facts are revealed.
the puerto rican feen
21-01-2010, 10:45 PM
finally the facts are revealed.
A load of waffle until the end.
"You initiated unilateral changes without negotiation, why would you not expect a fight? Controllers do little else than manage changes, formal withdrawal from the projects was a direct response to unilateral non negotiated changes imposed by the IAA, effective 1 Feb 2010."
For any sort of change in the public/semi-state sector, why do the workers think they are entitled to pay increases ?
Goldstein
21-01-2010, 10:46 PM
Another shower that are part of the cancer that needs to be cut out of our greed oriented society. Can we not get guys from the US/Britain/France to do it? We could pay them way more than they make now but yet way less than our money-grabbers make and it would probably be a cakewalk compared to what they're used to.
From the link above:
No, this is not the “real agenda”. The T16 pay increases have been independently assessed and the recommendation has been the IAA can afford the increase without any need to pass this on to the airline industry.
Independently assesed BY WHO? Who the fuck in their right mind would recommend these guys should get a pay increase?
So I work for a company that made €10 billion last year, therefore they can easily afford to pay me...say a 50% rise right? No, because that's retarded logic.
But expect our pitifully weak government to cave as usual, even when pretty much the entire island would be behind them if they stood up for the Irish tax-payer and grew a pair this time.
ripple
22-01-2010, 07:05 AM
great reading...
http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/402624-irish-air-traffic-controllers-suspended.html
http://www.timesonline.co.u k/tol/news/world/europe/article6991798.ece
doppellanger
24-01-2010, 07:49 PM
As for O'leary tearing the controllers a new one?? we'l see who has the last laugh when his aircraft want a shortcut or free speed,which the controllers break their balls to accomodate usually.
High quality service=high pay
http://irishatcfactfile.wor dpress.com/2010/01/19/the-second-effort-is-pure-spin/
so they're going to make life more difficult for an Irish company which employs thousands of people here and abroad. What, would they cheer if it went bust? Then they could sit around and drink tea all day and not have to bother about Windows 7 or whatever new technology brings.
ripple
25-01-2010, 09:07 AM
so they're going to make life more difficult for an Irish company which employs thousands of people here and abroad.
no they're not. all operations are now back to normal i.e. expediting and maintaining a safe and orderly flow of air traffic, where the least average delay applies to every aircraft. everyone gets short cuts/direct routings whenever possible...
rebelicecreamman
25-01-2010, 09:50 AM
no they're not. all operations are now back to normal i.e. expediting and maintaining a safe and orderly flow of air traffic, where the least average delay applies to every aircraft. everyone gets short cuts/direct routings whenever possible...
Should we be grateful for this, on top of the barrow-loads of cash we pay them?
Mossybanks
25-01-2010, 10:09 AM
no they're not. all operations are now back to normal i.e. expediting and maintaining a safe and orderly flow of air traffic, where the least average delay applies to every aircraft. everyone gets short cuts/direct routings whenever possible...
Huzzah!
They're doing their jobs!
:rolleyes:
sockspumper
25-01-2010, 11:28 AM
On a monday morning and all.
Keep it up lads!
doppellanger
25-01-2010, 08:48 PM
Huzzah!
They're doing their jobs!
:rolleyes:
Bravo!
poulgorm
27-01-2010, 11:22 AM
They have a handy number. A two year training course and then they start off with a basic of 52k per annum. Rising to.... after a few years. I don´t know if they are paid when on their training course, but it would not surprise me.
No degree. No 4 years of hard slog. There are very few graduates in the private sector who are on 52k when they qualify.
Not to mention the pension. Should we all join IMPACT?
PsychoPat
27-01-2010, 08:52 PM
I sent off an expression of interest to become one and i'm on a mailing list for vacancy announcements. I'm pretty sure nothing will come of it but the IAA must have been inundated with similar requests and that's what brought those greedy fucks back to their senses...there are plenty of people out there who would love to do what they do for not nearly as much.
Nicewanbiy
11-02-2010, 02:55 PM
They earn €115,000 a year. Their average salary is €160,000. The IAA (you and me) pay 30% of their salary every year into a pension fund for them.
They have been given new systems to work with.
They refused to use the new systems until their pay claim had been resolved to their satisfaction.
16 of them were suspended (on full pay!) for refusing to use the systems.
Their union IMPACT, called a "mandatory" meeting for today to discuss industrial action.
They walked off the job.
They are treasonous obnoxious fucking cunts who should be strung up.
They are as bad as the bankers and developers. We should never give into them.
Wowza!
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