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Paul McAndrew
07-12-2009, 07:32 PM
Cork Women's Right to Choose Group issues statement of support for the women whose legal challenge to Ireland's abortion ban will be heard in Strasbourg on Wednesday (9th December)

Cork Women's Right to Choose Group welcomes this week’s European Court of Human Rights challenge to Ireland’s abortion ban. On Wednesday seventeen judges will hear the cases of three women, identified only as A,B and C, all of whom were forced to go abroad to terminate their pregnancies. They will argue that restrictive Irish laws jeopardised their health and well-being.

The issues involved include access to abortion when there is a risk of an ectopic pregnancy, a life-threatening condition where the foetus develops outside the womb; access to a termination when treatment for cancer is required; and the private decision not to continue a pregnancy under certain circumstances.

Spokeswoman Dr. Sandra McAvoy said:

“These courageous women deserve our support and our politicians deserve to have their failure to deal with this issue exposed to international scrutiny. In almost two decades since the X case ruling, successive governments have failed either to legislate or provide guidelines on when an abortion may be performed even to save a woman’s life. On the contrary, they have tried not only to roll back that judgement but also to ensure that women whose pregnancy threatens their health will be unable to have terminations. This will ultimately be recognized for what is: an abuse of women and a denial of their human right to life and health.”

A,B and C will argue that Ireland's ban on abortion has breached their human rights under the European Convention on Human Rights. As a signatory to the Convention, the Irish Government is obliged to take measures to implement whatever decisions are made by the Court.

Spokeswoman Dr. Jennifer Dewan explained:

“The recent case of a Polish woman, Alicja Tysiac, whose sight was seriously damaged in pregnancy, resulted in Poland being instructed to guarantee access to legal abortions. The Irish state has argued that the women involved in Wednesday’s cases had not exhausted their legal options at home, implying that they could have gone to court like the teenager, Miss D, had to two years ago. No way should women have to expose the most intimate details of their pregnancies and lives in court or have to rely on judges to make decisions about their lives and health.”

Abortion is illegal in Ireland under the Victorian 1861 Offences Against the Person Act, though the 1983 amendment to the Constitution provides an equal right to life for both the "unborn" and the pregnant woman. In the 1991 X case it was found that a woman was entitled to have an abortion in Ireland where there was a "real and substantial" risk to her life, including the risk of suicide.
In all other cases abortion is criminalized, though polls show increasing public desire for change. A 2004 Crisis Pregnancy agency study found that 90% of 18-45 year olds support abortion in certain circumstances, with 51% stating that women should always have to right to choose an abortion. A 2007 Irish Times Behaviour and Attitudes Poll found that 54% of women believe the Government should act to permit abortion.

In conclusion, Dr. Sandra McAvoy said:

“The failure of the state to act with women’s rights and interests at heart has left the applicants in this week’s Strasbourg cases little option but to take the international route to achieve justice for themselves. Hopefully the outcome will be the protection of the lives and health of women resident in Ireland in the future. It isn’t acceptable any more to turn a blind eye and hope Britain will deal with this issue for us. We have tolerated a two tier system where women with money could travel and pay the €1,000 or so cost if they had health or other problems. As lawyer Catherine Forde put it, they are forced to scurry abroad like criminals. Over decades this has cost women dearly in stress and brought a range of health risks, for example, from late abortion when it has taken time to get the funds together It is time to say enough - and change our law… ”

Cork Women's Right to Choose Group calls on the public and elected officials to support this historic legal challenge and demonstrate to the Irish Government that we will not tolerate the continued violation of women's health and human rights in Ireland.

JonnyOnionRings
09-12-2009, 05:56 PM
yeah bring on the abortion buckets. A great step forward in civilisation.

Mossybanks
09-12-2009, 06:15 PM
Cork Women's Right to Abortion Group issues statement of support for the women whose legal challenge to Ireland's abortion ban will be heard in Strasbourg on Wednesday (9th December)

Cork Women's Right to Abortion Group welcomes this week’s European Court of Human Rights challenge to Ireland’s abortion ban. On Wednesday seventeen judges will hear the cases of three women, identified only as A,B and C, all of whom were forced to go abroad to terminate their pregnancies. They will argue that restrictive Irish laws jeopardised their health and well-being.

The issues involved include access to abortion when there is a risk of an ectopic pregnancy, a life-threatening condition where the foetus develops outside the womb; access to a termination when treatment for cancer is required; and the private decision not to continue a pregnancy under certain circumstances.

Spokeswoman Dr. Sandra McAvoy said:

“These courageous women deserve our support and our politicians deserve to have their failure to deal with this issue exposed to international scrutiny. In almost two decades since the X case ruling, successive governments have failed either to legislate or provide guidelines on when an abortion may be performed even to save a woman’s life. On the contrary, they have tried not only to roll back that judgement but also to ensure that women whose pregnancy threatens their health will be unable to have terminations. This will ultimately be recognized for what is: an abuse of women and a denial of their human right to life and health.”

A,B and C will argue that Ireland's ban on abortion has breached their human rights under the European Convention on Human Rights. As a signatory to the Convention, the Irish Government is obliged to take measures to implement whatever decisions are made by the Court.

Spokeswoman Dr. Jennifer Dewan explained:

“The recent case of a Polish woman, Alicja Tysiac, whose sight was seriously damaged in pregnancy, resulted in Poland being instructed to guarantee access to legal abortions. The Irish state has argued that the women involved in Wednesday’s cases had not exhausted their legal options at home, implying that they could have gone to court like the teenager, Miss D, had to two years ago. No way should women have to expose the most intimate details of their pregnancies and lives in court or have to rely on judges to make decisions about their lives and health.”

Abortion is illegal in Ireland under the Victorian 1861 Offences Against the Person Act, though the 1983 amendment to the Constitution provides an equal right to life for both the "unborn" and the pregnant woman. In the 1991 X case it was found that a woman was entitled to have an abortion in Ireland where there was a "real and substantial" risk to her life, including the risk of suicide.
In all other cases abortion is criminalized, though polls show increasing public desire for change. A 2004 Crisis Pregnancy agency study found that 90% of 18-45 year olds support abortion in certain circumstances, with 51% stating that women should always have to right to Abortion an abortion. A 2007 Irish Times Behaviour and Attitudes Poll found that 54% of women believe the Government should act to permit abortion.

In conclusion, Dr. Sandra McAvoy said:

“The failure of the state to act with women’s rights and interests at heart has left the applicants in this week’s Strasbourg cases little option but to take the international route to achieve justice for themselves. Hopefully the outcome will be the protection of the lives and health of women resident in Ireland in the future. It isn’t acceptable any more to turn a blind eye and hope Britain will deal with this issue for us. We have tolerated a two tier system where women with money could travel and pay the €1,000 or so cost if they had health or other problems. As lawyer Catherine Forde put it, they are forced to scurry abroad like criminals. Over decades this has cost women dearly in stress and brought a range of health risks, for example, from late abortion when it has taken time to get the funds together It is time to say enough - and change our law… ”

Cork Women's Right to Abortion Group calls on the public and elected officials to support this historic legal challenge and demonstrate to the Irish Government that we will not tolerate the continued violation of women's health and human rights in Ireland
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It should be noted that the European Court Of Human Rights has absolutely nothing to do with the European Union.

Soxy
09-12-2009, 06:23 PM
yeah bring on the abortion buckets. A great step forward in civilisation.

lets stick with the disguise and the hidden air tickets to england then,way more civilized

rebelicecreamman
09-12-2009, 06:28 PM
There is nothing civilised about abortion, with respect soxy.

Soxy
09-12-2009, 06:29 PM
ok,but theres nothing civilized about making women feel like dirty criminals either

pudgee
09-12-2009, 06:32 PM
There is nothing civilised about abortion, with respect soxy.

Yes there is.

JonnyOnionRings
09-12-2009, 06:34 PM
lets stick with the disguise and the hidden air tickets to england then,way more civilized
The argument to reduce your laws to the lowest common denominator doesnt make sense. Do you legalise some drugs here cos they're legal in Holland. do you allow more liberal abortion laws in Britain cos they exist in Holland . No.
Its a bullshit argument. Argue for abortion on its own merits .

rebelicecreamman
09-12-2009, 06:41 PM
It is very difficult not to sound like a right-wing catho-fascist in opposing abortion. In terms of social policy, I would view myself as liberal on virtually all issues bar abortion. This is not informed by religion or prevailing social conservatism.

Those who argue for legalisation of abortion here view it, I think, as the lesser of two evils. I can't subscribe to that.

pudgee
09-12-2009, 06:43 PM
It is very difficult not to sound like a right-wing catho-fascist in opposing abortion. In terms of social policy, I would view myself as liberal on virtually all issues bar abortion. This is not informed by religion or prevailing social conservatism.

Those who argue for legalisation of abortion here view it, I think, as the lesser of two evils. I can't subscribe to that.

why not?

rebelicecreamman
09-12-2009, 06:54 PM
why not?

If you believe that the foetus is a defenceless human being, as I do, then the only mitigation for abortion is where the life of the mother is under threat.

Mossybanks
09-12-2009, 06:54 PM
It is very difficult not to sound like a right-wing catho-fascist in opposing abortion. In terms of social policy, I would view myself as liberal on virtually all issues bar abortion. This is not informed by religion or prevailing social conservatism.

Those who argue for legalisation of abortion here view it, I think, as the lesser of two evils. I can't subscribe to that.

I don't believe in imaginary friends. I believe in the freedom of the individual to do as he or she wishes without impediment.

I believe that an individual within another individuals body has the right to be born so that she or he can experience those freedoms.



Nothing to do with liberalism, religion, or fascism.

You seem to be very much into labels.

rebelicecreamman
09-12-2009, 07:00 PM
I don't believe in imaginary friends. I believe in the freedom of the individual to do as he or she wishes without impediment.

I believe that an individual within another individuals body has the right to be born so that she or he can experience those freedoms.



Nothing to do with liberalism, religion, or fascism.

You seem to be very much into labels.

You seem to pretty much agree with me. I was trying to avoid an emotive response to ensure a calm debate. Why so prickly?

KolaKubes
09-12-2009, 07:18 PM
I'm happy with our current legislation.

The availability of the procedure in the UK is a serious pressure release valve for the issue here, however.

There's no need to go to the Theology on this.
Once you have something in the womb that would go on to become another human being left to its own devices, interfering with that needs some very good reasons, from my perspective.

When those reasons are good ones (e.g. endangerment of the mother's life, rape), I think access to the procedure is the lesser of two ills.

Outside of that, we're all grown ups, if you sleep with someone, there is a risk of an unplanned pregnancy. Speaking as a man, I always accept the responsibility when sleeping with a girlfriend. It's one reason why I'm cautious regarding who I go to bed with.