Winthrop Arcade. Don't distroy it!!!

[Interzone]

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http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=768 3

I recently saw this thread over on archiseek.com.

My mind boggles on why anybody would want to remove Winthrop Arcade from our streets? This is Ireland's first shopping mall!!!
Structures like this have made city's like Paris famous! I think that if the city council hadn't made such a balls of doing up Oliver Plunkett Street (they should have pedestrianized the whole thing like Grafton street in Dublin) this wouldn't be the case. If the street was an open plaza people wold notice this more. Now it is to be torn down to be replaced with yet another glass box.

This has been appealed to An Bord Pleanala by An Taisce. The Result is expected in March 2010.

We as citizens of cork cans stop this destruction of our heritage!!!

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[gen_a]

Welcome to Ireland where cultural vandalism has become state policy.

[SirCharles]

Hardly surprising, this countries going down the toilet. Saying that, st Lukes was recently dug up and people we're outraged they were touching the old paving work there, and moving the penny booth. But now it looks great.

Also I have to say, recent development in the city has been great. Fairly tasteful I feel.
So its hard to know if development is gonna be good or bad. Its a matter of trust in our council really no?

[rubbish mouth breath]

Hardly surprising, this countries going down the toilet. Saying that, st Lukes was recently dug up and people we're outraged they were touching the old paving work there, and moving the penny booth. But now it looks great.

Also I have to say, recent development in the city has been great. Fairly tasteful I feel.
So its hard to know if development is gonna be good or bad. Its a matter of trust in our council really no?
i find the new opera lane/boots etc offensive.. tis like a generic dump Cork's becoming.

[Mr Jefferson]

i find the new opera lane/boots etc offensive.. tis like a generic dump Cork's becoming.

Well at least that was nothing more than a side street that doubled as a late night toilet. Winthrop acrade is an unique building. A real step backwards should it be crushed. Ridiculous idea given that there are so may To Let signs on failed businesses all over the city centre.

[gen_a]

Well at least that was nothing more than a side street that doubled as a late night toilet. Winthrop acrade is an unique building. A real step backwards should it be crushed. Ridiculous idea given that there are so may To Let signs on failed businesses all over the city centre.

couldn't agree more. the arcade is like something straight out of paris, as pointed out earlier by interzone.

[SirCharles]

The plans were to remove the arcade element completely, and replace with two stand-alone retail units - one facing Winthrop Street and the other facing on to Oliver Plunkett Street.

my apologies I didn't read the post you had linked to - which sates their intentions.


What an awful proposal. Utterly tasteless and disgusting.

[gen_a]

weird but i must have walked past the facade on oliver plunkett st hundreds of times and never noticed the amazing tudoresque(?) frontage.
http://www.buildingsofirela nd.ie/niah/images/survey_specific/fullsize/20514187_3.jpg

we (or rather, I) never seem to appreciate these places until they are slated for demolition or shut own already, kino being a case in point.

[blackforest]

weird but i must have walked past the facade on oliver plunkett st hundreds of times and never noticed the amazing tudoresque(?) frontage.
http://www.buildingsofirela nd.ie/niah/images/survey_specific/fullsize/20514187_3.jpg

we (or rather, I) never seem to appreciate these places until they are slated for demolition or shut own already, kino being a case in point.
When "pot black" was closed down pre-kino I was gutted. :|

[Iancurtis]

Hopefully common sense will prevail and this proposal will be turned down.

[frankeechops]

While agreeing totally that this structure should be protected, you can see where the owner of the property is coming from trying to increase his retail space. They are merely trying to increase their profit. The small size of the present units can't be bringing in much.

It is up to the city council first of all to stop this development, Hopefully it won't pass this stage, especially with Gormley's recent comments on responsible Planning.

[donpoblok]

as for cork looking any better

geenric shopping centre

dreadful. no imagination, no sense of the city having a purpose other than making money

a terrible imposition on all of us

[Langer Dan]

Hopefully this won't go through.

[donpoblok]

Hopefully this won't go through.

agreed

aslo feel that re the owner and retail space: there has to be something that blocks profit as the sole motive

kinsale golf course was built on this principle of the highest bidder deciding how our (their) environment gets organised

[starchaser]

very short sighted idea , considering that there's an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 french people now living in London.

its such a large population that for the first time in the history of the French Republic at the next election there will be a constituency of "London" just for them, with a MP going to the Paris Parliament for the "London" constituency.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/5165955/Britain-to-become-French-constituency-under-Sarkozy-plans.html

( although that link is typical Tory headlines, in reality its just a London seat as thats where the vast majority of French are..)

what's this got to do with the Winthrop arcade?

well, i'm just pointing out that there are half a million french in london - and we've got french style bits of our city, like that winthrop arcade. think those frenchies popping over on ryanair or whatever..

we'd be utterly UTTERLY mad to destroy it.

anyone organised an online petition about this? i'd certainly sign up.

[Interzone]

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anyone organised an online petition about this? i'd certainly sign up.

Done...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=212345 094576

[Cliff Barnes]

Thus is a disgraceful idea.

A unique arcade in the city centre probaly left half vacant by greedy owner developer so it can get a little shabby - watch out it might burn down in some "mysterious fire" some long weekend.

You can find arcades like this in Paris over a hundred years old and with niche tenants.

Are we prepared to lose what is unique and historical in Cork so the owner can let it to NEXT or RIVER ISLAND UK high street nonsense.

Not surprised at Cork City Council Planning Dept. Shame on them.

[Beaty]

Done...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=212345 094576

I'm done wth FaceBook.

S

[rubbish mouth breath]

...cheapest cup of tea in Cork in there,a buck only...
19/04/2010: Refused Permission

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/235328.htm

http://planning.corkcity.ie/InternetEnquiry/rpt_ViewApplicDetail s.asp?validFileNum=1&app_num_file=0933849


Inspectors report
http://www.pleanala.ie/documents/reports/235/R235328.pdf

From the above document...

REASONS AND CONSIDERATIONS

Having regard to the nature and extent of the alterations proposed, and in particular, the proposed complete removal of the arcade, and display areas/shop fronts forming the same, it is considered that the proposed development would result in irrevocable loss of the function and use of Winthrop Arcade, which though not included in the Record of Protected Structures is highlighted on the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage and recommended for inclusion in the same. The proposed
development would, therefore, adversely affect the built and architectural heritage of the area, and be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.

[bfinnbar]

as for cork looking any better

geenric shopping centre

dreadful. no imagination, no sense of the city having a purpose other than making money

a terrible imposition on all of us

I was in town on Patrick's Day and the Grand Parade was teeming with families enjoying themselves. There was a huge stage at the South Mall end, with live music, and from the National Monument as far as Tuckey Street, there were stalls selling everything from local arts and crafts to artesan food. Everyone was enjoying themselves.

As for "generic," Fitzgeralds menswear, the Moderne, Con Murphys, Murrays Gunshop, and of course The English Market are all accessible from St. Patrick's Street, and are all thriving, and all exist only in Cork.

And those are just off the top of my head.

Don't be so negative, we have a lovely thriving city centre. I would definitely open the Library and Art Gallery on Sundays though.

[gen_a]

Don't be so negative, we have a lovely thriving city centre. I would definitely open the Library and Art Gallery on Sundays though.

Passing the Crawford the other day i too noticed that it's closed on sunday which seems to be a tad short-sighted. It should adopt the custom of many big museums / galleries (incl. the glucksman) where they close on the monday (if at all) and remain open on sunday. Where's me (sunday dose of) culture?

[Stall De Ball Biy]

The Museum in Fitzgearlds park is still closed from flood damage last November!

[DanceDanceKennypants]

The Museum in Fitzgearlds park is still closed from flood damage last November!

Yup. Buddy works there.

It's a slow process. We were in Berlin on a thirtieth birthday trip that weekend, he phoned to see what was up. They nearly lost a load of archival stuff in an outbuilding, rescued only by quick thinking ground staff and the porters.

The floors were completely destroyed. It's a listed building, so the work has to be exacting. Getting money from The Man is no joke at the moment either.

It shouldn't be closed for too much longer. Summer is coming and they need people coming in. They'll probably have something special lined up a for a re-opening, hold tough.

EDIT: I was talking to him last night. They're still dealing with the insurance company.

They hope to be open in June or July.