Public Servants - Turncoats?

[diar2me]

2 quick points about public servants!

1. Were they supposed not to go on strike in flood damaged areas? They have some neck to be walking around the place with placards while businesses are trying to cope with damaged premises and homes wrecked throughout Cork. Yet they WERE out today in Cork.

2. I like the way they used their DAY OFF to head north and go shopping and give their free money from their free day off to private business in the UK. God what a bunch of self absorbed gobshites! They make me mad!!!!

[dennisfallen]

It's still a free country ,isn't it.
Anyway , that fat bitch Harney told us to "shop around".
At the end of the day anyone who went on strike is down a days pay.

[diar2me]

It's still a free country ,isn't it.
Anyway , that fat bitch Harney told us to "shop around".
At the end of the day anyone who went on strike is down a days pay.

It is to ye anyway supposedly. Free Money off those magic trees. Oh boooo fucking hoooo, if I had my way half of ye wasters would be down a job!

[dennisfallen]

I'm not a public servant.
Your ravings are wasted on me.:D

[de mange]

2 quick points about public servants!

1. Were they supposed not to go on strike in flood damaged areas? They have some neck to be walking around the place with placards while businesses are trying to cope with damaged premises and homes wrecked throughout Cork. Yet they WERE out today in Cork.

2. I like the way they used their DAY OFF to head north and go shopping and give their free money from their free day off to private business in the UK. God what a bunch of self absorbed gobshites! They make me mad!!!!

i would be against their striking and nonsense, but i know that not all of the public service went on strike in cork yesterday and it was specifically so they could deal with the flooding and the knock ons of it - i dont know which depts did and didnt strike to be honest, but i know public servants who worked yesterday in cork without crossing pickets

[kh1152]

In Athlone council workers refused to go back to work to help stop homes from flooding. The army stepped in and did what they could.

[diar2me]

In Athlone council workers refused to go back to work to help stop homes from flooding. The army stepped in and did what they could.

Me Feiners the lot of them! And the real thing that sickens me is that they are looking for support but head up north on their FREE DAY OFF to give business to English private business. They really are a bunch of gobshites!

[donpoblok]

do you really believe all the media stuff about strikers only interested in 'shopping'

jesus, can you not see a smear campaign (and worse still, cant you see how you are providing exactly the knee jerk reaction it is supposed to create?

[POL]

do you really believe all the media stuff about strikers only interested in 'shopping'

jesus, can you not see a smear campaign (and worse still, cant you see how you are providing exactly the knee jerk reaction it is supposed to create?So its just a big coincidence that Newry was jam packed yesterday? :-?

[donpoblok]

thats neither here nor there

my point is that insted of addressing the issues fairly we just get a characterisation of the average striker as being more concerned with shopping than anything more pressing

if it hadnt been shopping in newry it would have been something else

if every single striker was shopping it wouldnt make a blind bit of differnce to the cause

[Langer Dan]

So its just a big coincidence that Newry was jam packed yesterday? :-?

Ah shur five mile tailbacks on the day of a national strike?
Pure coincidence.


Give the unions what they want, they're worth every penny.

[donpoblok]

Ah shur five mile tailbacks on the day of a national strike?
Pure coincidence.


Give the unions what they want, they're worth every penny.

well, the unions want to negotiate. will you give them that?

just because a bunch of loser entrepreneurs cant keep their profiteering going, why take up arms against the public sector?

[Langer Dan]

well, the unions want to negotiate. will you give them that?

just because a bunch of loser entrepreneurs cant keep their profiteering going, why take up arms against the public sector?

What's to negotiate?

Cuts need to be made, end of.

[Persil]

well, the unions want to negotiate. will you give them that?

just because a bunch of loser entrepreneurs cant keep their profiteering going, why take up arms against the public sector?

What's to negotiate?

Cuts need to be made, end of.

I will have to agree with Langer Dan,for years the public sector wanted to be treated like the private sector. They got their wish and get the yearly increases and so on like we all did,well i can only speak for myself being a private sector worker,but my yearly increase was put on hold and i got a pay deduction.

Now when it comes to it the public sector does not want to be treated like us when it comes to cut backs,i'm delighted to be able to still have my job in this economic downturn and so should they,if i had my way i'd sack them all and give the jobs to those who actually would love a job but yes i know this cannot be done. But there are a hell of a lot teachers and who are qualified dying to get a permanent job but can't.

They just make me so mad.

Even on Vincent Brown last night the nurses were complaining about only taking home about 2500 euro a month,i know a few people who will gladly work for that.

[meltdown]

I will have to agree with Langer Dan,for years the public sector wanted to be treated like the private sector. They got their wish and get the yearly increases and so on like we all did,well i can only speak for myself being a private sector worker,but my yearly increase was put on hold and i got a pay deduction.

Now when it comes to it the public sector does not want to be treated like us when it comes to cut backs,i'm delighted to be able to still have my job in this economic downturn and so should they,if i had my way i'd sack them all and give the jobs to those who actually would love a job but yes i know this cannot be done. But there are a hell of a lot teachers and who are qualified dying to get a permanent job but can't.

They just make me so mad.

Even on Vincent Brown last night the nurses were complaining about only taking home about 2500 euro a month,i know a few people who will gladly work for that.

Why don't we tax the wealthy people in this country more?

Why do we have a Capital Gains tax of only 20% in this country?

Why are solicitors making fortunes?

Why do we keep throwing billions of tax payers money into the failed Anglo bank?

Why r we putting billions into the other banks?

Why r we buying assets off these banks at inflated prices?

Why don't u examine the real issues of decay in this country instead of jumping on the attack the public service band wagon??

[johnmcork]

Benchmarking should work BOTH ways.

[Persil]

Why don't we tax the wealthy people in this country more?

Why do we have a Capital Gains tax of only 20% in this country?

Why are solicitors making fortunes?

Why do we keep throwing billions of tax payers money into the failed Anglo bank?

Why r we putting billions into the other banks?

Why r we buying assets off these banks at inflated prices?

Why don't u examine the real issues of decay in this country instead of jumping on the attack the public service band wagon??

Everything you've just said is why our current goverment is gone wrong,they are afraid to stand up to people.

And no i'm not a bandwagoner,i want a equal and fair economy and i will pay my extra bit even as tight as it maybe on my pocket in order to get this country out of a recession and to keep myself in gainful employment.

Ask them to do the same and they fucking strike.

If i went on strike tomorrow over my paycuts,i can assure you they would have a replacement in by Monday.

[meltdown]

Everything you've just said is why our current goverment is gone wrong,they are afraid to stand up to people.

And no i'm not a bandwagoner,i want a equal and fair economy and i will pay my extra bit even as tight as it maybe on my pocket in order to get this country out of a recession and to keep myself in gainful employment.

Ask them to do the same and they fucking strike.

If i went on strike tomorrow over my paycuts,i can assure you they would have a replacement in by Monday.

Over 60% of public servants r on less than €50k p/year, hardly the lap of luxury. When u factor in the probability that they r paying off a huge mortage etc, there's not a whole lot left in the kitty. By all means reduce the pay of public servants over €70k.

Secondly, public servants have already taken a pay cut this year. Do u expect public servants alnoe to bear the brunt of the pain caused by the greed of developers bankers etc.

There are still over 50,000 people in this country earning over €00k p/year. Could we not tax these people?

What about people with high value houses, why not tax them on the value of their properties.

Do u expect the public servants to work for the minimum wage?

[donpoblok]

answer to your last question: the people here who have been sucked into the whole public v private sector argument (thereby letting the real villains off the hook) want to sack public sector workers, cut their pay, reduce their benefits

which actually makes them sound like ibec lol

what is so frustrating is the way the whole thing is being dealt with by the media. brilliantly orchestrated. turn a crisis situation into a bit of a barney, rachet up the aggression, reduce economics to light entertainment (and still hang on to their 6000,000 a year or whatever they earn)

personally, if the governemnt dont opt for negotiation i would like to see another strike. and then another until this governemnt has no choice but to stand down (along with the interest groups they so clearly represent)

i don't get paid a decent wage but i think it is well worth losing some money if the long term outcome is to get rid of this governemnt and its 'chaotic' policies

[Langer Dan]

Strike away lads.

The reality is public sector pay and social welfare bills account for 71% of gross current expenditure.

It is inevitable in this instance that the issue of public sector pay will have to be addressed.

There is no conspiracy to short change the public sector.
The tax bands will have to be widened to include tax exiles and lower paid workers but this will not solve the problem of an additional 495 million euros being tacked onto the national debt each week. There is no point in the public sector demanding that others should carry the burden of financial repairs, while seeking immunity for themselves.

Simply put, delaying cutbacks is not an option and to do so will lead to eventual bankruptcy.

People have had enough of the Me fein attitude of the public sector.
Take the hit and get on with it.
Everybody else is.

[duishbag]

So its just a big coincidence that Newry was jam packed yesterday? :-?

i think that people going across the border in their droves will have a devastating effect on businesses here in the short term,but hopefully it will in the long term force the government to act on the lost revenue,that if theres still any shops left here by then

[Persil]

Over 60% of public servants r on less than €50k p/year, hardly the lap of luxury. When u factor in the probability that they r paying off a huge mortage etc, there's not a whole lot left in the kitty. By all means reduce the pay of public servants over €70k.

Secondly, public servants have already taken a pay cut this year. Do u expect public servants alnoe to bear the brunt of the pain caused by the greed of developers bankers etc.

There are still over 50,000 people in this country earning over €00k p/year. Could we not tax these people?

What about people with high value houses, why not tax them on the value of their properties.

Do u expect the public servants to work for the minimum wage?

I don't work for minimum wage,i get paid less than 50k per year and i have a mortgage to pay,but i don't strike and lose a days wages. They are just being greedy fuckers. Are you happy with teachers still getting paid while having the summer off along with mid terms and the like and getting fully paid for it,and they have the cheek to complain,fucking disgrace.

I know one teacher who went on the piss the other night as he had no work in the morning,he didn't want to strike but he had no choice really in the end as the other teachers in the school were on strike,the teacher i know is delighted with the fact they have a job and can survive on the monies that they earn.

I've taken a pay cut this year and my taxes have increased and i expect my taxes to be increased again in the next budget,you are clearly a public sector worker and talking complete shit out of your arsehole.

[poulgorm]

Problems with public servants:
1. There are too many of them
2. So many of them do fuck all
3. They are not our servants: they are the new ruling class: they are now screwing the ordinary joe soap as badly as the landlords did in the old days
4. They are totally self serving: the education system is run to suit the teachers and lecturers: the health system is run to suit its employees - not the patients: the additional resources put in during the last decade has been totally absorbed by its staff.
5. The public service employees have lost the run of themselves: roll on the IMF: the sooner the better - let the pay cheques bounce

[Goldstein]

Over 60% of public servants r on less than €50k p/year, hardly the lap of luxury.
So that means 40% of them are on over 50k, that's a lot or people. And 50k is hardly the breadline.

When u factor in the probability that they r paying off a huge mortage etc, there's not a whole lot left in the kitty.
Their personal "huge mortgage" is their problem. No-one forced them to buy the house they bought. A hell of a lot of people would love to get onto the property ladder but just cant afford any mortgage, even with the 20% reduction from the highs of 2007.


Secondly, public servants have already taken a pay cut this year.
Bollox. They had to contribute a net 4% more to THEIR OWN pension. Boo-hoo. A reduction of an overly generous bonus which the rest of us are helping to pay for is not a pay cut.


Do u expect public servants alnoe to bear the brunt of the pain caused by the greed of developers bankers etc.
Alone? L O mutherfucking L is all I'll say to that. They have taken minimal "pain" compared to everyone else.


There are still over 50,000 people in this country earning over €00k p/year. Could we not tax these people?
Of course, a 3rd tax band needs to be introduced but this is getting off the issue.


What about people with high value houses, why not tax them on the value of their properties.
True but again, it's a different issue - there's no escaping that the public sector wage bill needs to be substantially reduced. There's a €200 tax on second properties and it should be increased substantially.


Do u expect the public servants to work for the minimum wage?
If you think that 50k is the minimum wage for fucksake take the red pill and I'll show you the real world!

[Persil]

So that means 40% of them are on over 50k, that's a lot or people. And 50k is hardly the breadline.


Their personal "huge mortgage" is their problem. No-one forced them to buy the house they bought. A hell of a lot of people would love to get onto the property ladder but just cant afford any mortgage, even with the 20% reduction from the highs of 2007.


Bollox. They had to contribute a net 4% more to THEIR OWN pension. Boo-hoo. A reduction of an overly generous bonus which the rest of us are helping to pay for is not a pay cut.


Alone? L O mutherfucking L is all I'll say to that. They have taken minimal "pain" compared to everyone else.


Of course, a 3rd tax band needs to be introduced but this is getting off the issue.


True but again, it's a different issue - there's no escaping that the public sector wage bill needs to be substantially reduced. There's a €200 tax on second properties and it should be increased substantially.


If you think that 50k is the minimum wage for fucksake take the red pill and I'll show you the real world!

Well said Goldstein!

[diar2me]

well, the unions want to negotiate. will you give them that?

just because a bunch of loser entrepreneurs cant keep their profiteering going, why take up arms against the public sector?

You have just lost all credibility you gombeen with a statement like that.

[diar2me]

Over 60% of public servants r on less than €50k p/year, hardly the lap of luxury. When u factor in the probability that they r paying off a huge mortage etc, there's not a whole lot left in the kitty. By all means reduce the pay of public servants over €70k.

Secondly, public servants have already taken a pay cut this year. Do u expect public servants alnoe to bear the brunt of the pain caused by the greed of developers bankers etc.

There are still over 50,000 people in this country earning over €00k p/year. Could we not tax these people?

What about people with high value houses, why not tax them on the value of their properties.

Do u expect the public servants to work for the minimum wage?

Jesus Christ would ye clowns get yer heads out of yer fucking arses!!! Taxing extra on 50,000 people who earn over €100 k WILL NOT plug a hole of €500 million a week, nor will any of the other fanciful Notions that ye are plucking straight out of Begg and O Connor's braindead minds. Ye got a 7% pension levy. The tax payer contributes alot more to YOUR pension than you actually do so shut up and finally I know people who had nothing to do with developments or banking and never even did well out of the Celtic Tiger and now have lost jobs and some even taking 50% pay cuts so about time ye bunch of brainless moaners shut up for once and realised ye have it good. Always changing the goalposts to suit yourselves. Why do ye not want benchmarking now? Why not follow the private sector now? Fucking leeches!

[meltdown]

Jesus Christ would ye clowns get yer heads out of yer fucking arses!!! Taxing extra on 50,000 people who earn over €100 k WILL NOT plug a hole of €500 million a week, nor will any of the other fanciful Notions that ye are plucking straight out of Begg and O Connor's braindead minds. Ye got a 7% pension levy. The tax payer contributes alot more to YOUR pension than you actually do so shut up and finally I know people who had nothing to do with developments or banking and never even did well out of the Celtic Tiger and now have lost jobs and some even taking 50% pay cuts so about time ye bunch of brainless moaners shut up for once and realised ye have it good. Always changing the goalposts to suit yourselves. Why do ye not want benchmarking now? Why not follow the private sector now? Fucking leeches!

I have already stated that I accept that the public service wage bill will have to be reduced. However, I believe that the higher paid ones should suffer the most, ie Superintendents, Principal Offivers, Assistant Princiapls, Judges etc etc.

I think it's very unfair to target a lowly paid Clerical Officer on an average wage of €28k for another pay cut.

Most of ye have ur minds made up and r now on the "hang the civil servants" bandwagon, just as ye same morons voted for Fianna Fraud and all.

Why don't we look at ourselves and the corrupt politicians we continually vote for time and time again, instead of seeking to scapegoat the public sector for this shambles.

[dennisfallen]

I don't believe this shite.
The Govt. must be loving all this worker-against-worker aggro.
I worked for crap money for many years and never begrudged anyone else that was doing better than me.As far as I was concerned,the best of luck to them.
I pity anybody who is under severe financial pressure at the moment,but would it not be better to get the self-serving bastards out of Govt. and try to raise the bar for everybody instead of slagging each other off.

[POL]

I love the way the Public sector wasters try to equate and lump in everyone who works/worked in the Private sector with the bankers at the moment, the way they try to categorise every private sector worker as some sort of Gordan Gekko type who made millions and laugh at people working in the public sector

[Eoin]

Over 60% of public servants r on less than €50k p/year, hardly the lap of luxury.

€50k per year is a fairly decent wage in this country. If you can't survive on that, then you're an idiot.

How many of them are on less than €30k???

There was a woman on prime time the other night, complaining that she couldn't amke ends meet and she was on 55 grand a year!

What kind of moron can't survive in this country on that kind of money.

[donpoblok]

€50k per year is a fairly decent wage in this country. If you can't survive on that, then you're an idiot.

How many of them are on less than €30k???

There was a woman on prime time the other night, complaining that she couldn't amke ends meet and she was on 55 grand a year!

What kind of moron can't survive in this country on that kind of money.

there was a guy on pat keenys frontline. private sector. had to cut his own wages in half, now he only has 100,000 euro a year to live on. dreadful story of woe

(your turn

[Soxy]

my sister is a teacher,she said to me recently,its a shame you didnt get into teaching,look at all the holidays and mid terms i have,3 months paid summer leave,clearing roughly 1000 a week,Monday to Friday 9 to 3.30 (or so) every week!! she said,its the life...im starting to rethink my career :-(

[eire_sai]

my sister is a teacher,she said to me recently,its a shame you didnt get into teaching,look at all the holidays and mid terms i have,3 months paid summer leave,clearing roughly 1000 a week,Monday to Friday 9 to 3.30 (or so) every week!! she said,its the life...im starting to rethink my career :-(

At least she was honest about it unlike all the lying bastards on Tuesday and next
Thursday. I still couldn't work with children however, it would drive me mental.

[hemlock666]

I have already stated that I accept that the public service wage bill will have to be reduced. However, I believe that the higher paid ones should suffer the most, ie Superintendents, Principal Offivers, Assistant Princiapls, Judges etc etc.
I think it's very unfair to target a lowly paid Clerical Officer on an average wage of €28k for another pay cut.

Most of ye have ur minds made up and r now on the "hang the civil servants" bandwagon, just as ye same morons voted for Fianna Fraud and all.

Why don't we look at ourselves and the corrupt politicians we continually vote for time and time again, instead of seeking to scapegoat the public sector for this shambles.

Then why did the other unions allow the senior public servants union to join the strike? If its the top tier then why stand shoulder to shoulder with them?
Let me guess there was no expenses involved.
Im on a lot less than 28k, have taken a 10% paycut, cant afford a pension or a mortgage and my job security extends as far as the end of each week. I bring in a few grand a week from my employer, who will loose his house if we go under. How much does the average organ bank in the civil service bring in profit wise? Collectively -500 million per week at the moment.
We have a term called productivity. Its a term the public service neither understand, recognise or seek to introduce. Some of my oldest friends are in the civil service and I honestly wouldn't hire them in a fit and they are aware of this as Ive discussed their dreamland of work v's the realities of work in the present economic meltdown, and still they cant see that if things keep going there'll be a lot of capable, experienced people emmigrating and a lot of lazy ex civil servants on the dole after the IMF carves the place up. Its up to you guys now weather the country sinks or swims. From what I see daily we're gonna sink, and its gonna be deep.

[mrbobdobalina]

my sister is a teacher,she said to me recently,its a shame you didnt get into teaching,look at all the holidays and mid terms i have,3 months paid summer leave,clearing roughly 1000 a week,Monday to Friday 9 to 3.30 (or so) every week!! she said,its the life...im starting to rethink my career :-(

Hear ya, Soxy. Several of my friends swapped over from IT, Film and other jobs to primary teaching in the last few years based on other friends telling them the same. Nice move as it turned out!

[Soxy]

Hear ya, Soxy. Several of my friends swapped over from IT, Film and other jobs to primary teaching in the last few years based on other friends telling them the same. Nice move as it turned out!

suppose its never too late is it lol,shes laughing at me now :?



*nice name btw,an old fave*

[mrbobdobalina]

suppose its never too late is it lol,shes laughing at me now :?



*nice name btw,an old fave*

Go for it! :)

Thanks - 'twas a great track alright back in the day!

[donpoblok]

You have just lost all credibility you gombeen with a statement like that.

if i had known you were the arbitor deciding who has or doesn't have credibility here i wouldn't have said it lol

(although, secretly i thought your b/s coments here ensured that you had lost all credibility before anyone else had...but i kept it to myself

[diar2me]

if i had known you were the arbitor deciding who has or doesn't have credibility here i wouldn't have said it lol

(although, secretly i thought your b/s coments here ensured that you had lost all credibility before anyone else had...but i kept it to myself

Another "inspiring" speech / comment from the shallow, stupid, braindead, moaning, repetitive, lazy shower of civil servants............ ...

[dennisfallen]

Jesus,you're some asshole.

[diar2me]

Jesus,you're some asshole.

I know I am, but at least I make no bones about it, unlike claiming you have the best interests of patients/ students/ the public interests at heart when all you are worried about is number 1!

[johnmcork]

Problems with public servants:
1. There are too many of them
2. So many of them do fuck all
3. They are not our servants: they are the new ruling class: they are now screwing the ordinary joe soap as badly as the landlords did in the old days
4. They are totally self serving: the education system is run to suit the teachers and lecturers: the health system is run to suit its employees - not the patients: the additional resources put in during the last decade has been totally absorbed by its staff.
5. The public service employees have lost the run of themselves: roll on the IMF: the sooner the better - let the pay cheques bounce

6. They never ever answer the phone.:D

[donpoblok]

Another "inspiring" speech / comment from the shallow, stupid, braindead, moaning, repetitive, lazy shower of civil servants............ ...

lol

and, funny, but i thought it was YOU who was shallow, stupid....

just out of curiosity, are you simply playing the role of the duped private sector worker who has been diverted from the real issues and encouraged to make ludicrous (venomous) attacks on public sector workers (thereby helping to keep the forum alive (dead?) with your increasingly nonsensical and pointless provocations??

or, and i can't really bring myself to believe this, are you...for real?

[diar2me]

lol

and, funny, but i thought it was YOU who was shallow, stupid....

just out of curiosity, are you simply playing the role of the duped private sector worker who has been diverted from the real issues and encouraged to make ludicrous (venomous) attacks on public sector workers (thereby helping to keep the forum alive (dead?) with your increasingly nonsensical and pointless provocations??

or, and i can't really bring myself to believe this, are you...for real?

Yes I am for real. I have spent the last 12 months working long days glad in the knowledge I just have a job. I have had my sister emigrate with a law and bar degree to work in a fashion retail store in England pregnant with twins and my brother work for minimum wage also with a degree and I am the youngest, paid the best and in the best situation down to sheer luck. Neither me or my siblings made a red cent from the boom yet gombeens like you tar us with the same brush as bankers. Then while my future children are getting burdened with a €500 million a week hole in public finances I have to endure hearing Begg (€176 k a year) and O Connor (€122 k a year) brainwashing you that ye shouldn't stand for it. Ye shouldn't stand for long holidays, set working hours, massive sick benefit entitlements, guaranteed pensions paid for by the tax payer and most of all JOB SECURITY! No one in the civil service is on minimum wage, has worries about joining the dole queue or has to contribute 35% of their wages for their pension to secure themselves when they get old. Something the civil servants and assholes like you need to remember is while ye complain about a net 5% pension levy ye are actually complaining about contributing 5% to protect your income in 20, 30, 40 years. I know people that have no way to protect their income in 20, 30, 40 hours never mind years. Ye are living in cloud cuckoo land and really need to pinch yerselves. Most of the gombeen pen pushers are civil servants with no ambition and love the ole crack of having something to complain about and I know quite a few. So on reflection I must ask you are you for fucking real?

[Langer Dan]

I know I am, but at least I make no bones about it, unlike claiming you have the best interests of patients/ students/ the public interests at heart when all you are worried about is number 1!

Yep, therein lies the crux of the matter.

Frankly it's hilarious for the union reps to be trotting out vague rhetoric about 'equity & fairness' when their whole raison d'etre is based upon wanting favourable treatment.

The Unions can dress it up any way they want , it's short sighted me feinism on the behalf of the public sector.
'I'm alright Jack' , fuck everyone else.

[donpoblok]

I don't believe this shite.
The Govt. must be loving all this worker-against-worker aggro.
I worked for crap money for many years and never begrudged anyone else that was doing better than me.As far as I was concerned,the best of luck to them.
I pity anybody who is under severe financial pressure at the moment,but would it not be better to get the self-serving bastards out of Govt. and try to raise the bar for everybody instead of slagging each other off.

spot on

but it wouldnt suit the wasters here have fallen for this approach which will get nobody anywhere but will simply put them at each others throats

what i cant understand is why devotees of the unrgulated market are complaining. do they not understanad that system and the way it works or something?

[diar2me]

spot on

but it wouldnt suit the wasters here have fallen for this approach which will get nobody anywhere but will simply put them at each others throats

what i cant understand is why devotees of the unrgulated market are complaining. do they not understanad that system and the way it works or something?

First of all go back to school if you can't spell, secondly, do you not understand the way the tax system works? If we can't make tax off the private sector we can't pay public sector - therefore paycuts and job losses. I love the way you simplify the private situation but if we simplify the public situation you're up in arms. I am not complaining about job losses in the private sector. It's free market economics, but, what I am against is you buffoons having yer heads in the sand, whilst other people with real problems as outlined above actually say nothing and just get on with it!

[diar2me]

spot on

but it wouldnt suit the wasters here have fallen for this approach which will get nobody anywhere but will simply put them at each others throats

what i cant understand is why devotees of the unrgulated market are complaining. do they not understanad that system and the way it works or something?

Well are you? Are you for real?