Discrimination:

[blackforest]

It is to do with rent allowance and the non-acceptance of it by a lot of landlords. A friend of mine whom is on long term disability contacted a well known letting agency seeking to view a house for lease. He was told by a person in the letting agency that he was not suitable as the landlord did not accept rent allowance and it was blatantly explained that the landlord did not want to pay tax!
Firstly this is against the law and secondly isn’t it a form of discrimination where adverts as displayed on the internet and in various newspapers refuse the acceptance of rent allowance? My friend is disabled through no fault of his own and has never been in trouble. He is currently on a CE scheme so is being taxed in some capacity, so in a way he is contributing to the state, so why is he being discriminated against when looking for a roof over his head. I think the chief motivation here is tax evasion and this sort of discrimination should be stamped out as I believe there are a lot of people in my friend’s position.

[MissRedSocks]

It is to do with rent allowance and the non-acceptance of it by a lot of landlords. A friend of mine whom is on long term disability contacted a well known letting agency seeking to view a house for lease. He was told by a person in the letting agency that he was not suitable as the landlord did not accept rent allowance and it was blatantly explained that the landlord did not want to pay tax!
Firstly this is against the law and secondly isn’t it a form of discrimination where adverts as displayed on the internet and in various newspapers refuse the acceptance of rent allowance? My friend is disabled through no fault of his own and has never been in trouble. He is currently on a CE scheme so is being taxed in some capacity, so in a way he is contributing to the state, so why is he being discriminated against when looking for a roof over his head. I think the chief motivation here is tax evasion and this sort of discrimination should be stamped out as I believe there are a lot of people in my friend’s position.

i didnt know it was against the law to advertise no rent allowance..thats been around for years..he should go check it out at citizens advise..also,there are lots of properties out there,surely they dont all say no rent allowance...does he want to make a point of it with this particular landlord?

[blackforest]

i didnt know it was against the law to advertise no rent allowance..thats been around for years..he should go check it out at citizens advise..also,there are lots of properties out there,surely they dont all say no rent allowance...does he want to make a point of it with this particular landlord?

No, but if rent allowance is acceptable through governmental allowance then should it not be accepted universally? The point being the non-acceptance of rent allowance is owing to the large numbers of unregistered landlords around that are trying to avoid tax.

[Matlock]

No, but if rent allowance is acceptable through governmental allowance then should it not be accepted universally? The point being the non-acceptance of rent allowance is owing to the large numbers of unregistered landlords around that are trying to avoid tax.

The landlord is entitled to not accept RA. The landlord is not entitled to not pay tax though!

Report the property and the letting agency ( if they were stupid enough to say the landlord was avoiding tax) to the PRTB and to revenue.

RA is a pain in the arse to collect alot of the time and tenants quite often wont have the funds themselves to pay the rent if there rent allowance doesnt come through because someone in SW forgot to stamp a form/lost a form/ is on holidays/ couldnt be arsed etc. That is why alot of landlords wont accept it.

[blackforest]

The landlord is entitled to not accept RA. The landlord is not entitled to not pay tax though!

Report the property and the letting agency ( if they were stupid enough to say the landlord was avoiding tax) to the PRTB and to revenue.

RA is a pain in the arse to collect alot of the time and tenants quite often wont have the funds themselves to pay the rent if there rent allowance doesnt come through because someone in SW forgot to stamp a form/lost a form/ is on holidays/ couldnt be arsed etc. That is why alot of landlords wont accept it.

Non acceptance of rent allowance should be made illegal as it's biased and nowadays rent allowance is payed through electronic means.

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

Someone who relies on rent allowance is likely to trash the property. Obviously not true for everyone, but the landlords don't want to take the risk.

It's quite common for rooms or dwellings in the UK to be advertised as 'Sorry, no DSS'

[watermelon]

Someone who relies on rent allowance is likely to trash the property. Obviously not true for everyone, but the landlords don't want to take the risk.

It's quite common for rooms or dwellings in the UK to be advertised as 'Sorry, no DSS'

Broad sweeping statement there IDDN.

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

Broad sweeping statement there IDDN.

I covered my ass at the beginning of the next sentence.

I can delete it if people want but it won't make it any less true. I'm not a landlord BTW.

[Matlock]

Non acceptance of rent allowance should be made illegal as it's biased and nowadays rent allowance is payed through electronic means.

I have seen RA claims delayed in the last month because of SW office fuck ups so it isnt guarenteed at all.

Also, you could make refusing RA an offence but you cant force a landord to take a tenant is he doesnt want to so it would be fairly pointless imo.

[blackforest]

I have seen RA claims delayed in the last month because of SW office fuck ups so it isnt guarenteed at all.

Also, you could make refusing RA an offence but you cant force a landord to take a tenant is he doesnt want to so it would be fairly pointless imo.

So it follows, that if a person is on rent allowance through no choice of their own and has references from previous renting, the landlord should put forth a reason for not renting out, otherwise the person in question has a legal right.

[Matlock]

So it follows, that if a person is on rent allowance through no choice of their own and has references from previous renting, the landlord should put forth a reason for not renting out, otherwise the person in question has a legal right.

What about the landlords right, as the owner of the property, to let it to whomever he wants?

[blackforest]

What about the landlords right, as the owner of the property, to let it to whomever he wants?

Would you not equate that with 1950's Britain where landlords wouldn't rent out to black people because they didn't like the look of their faces?

[Matlock]

Would you not equate that with 1950's Britain where landlords wouldn't rent out to black people because they didn't like the look of their faces?

I appreciate where you are coming from but im not sure that you can "force" someone to take a tenant if they dont want to.

You cant "force" someone to employ a person with a disability either like. You cant sue them if you can prove that the reason you didnt get the job was your disability but you cant tell an employer that they must employ you because of your disability.

[blackforest]

I appreciate where you are coming from but im not sure that you can "force" someone to take a tenant if they dont want to.

You cant "force" someone to employ a person with a disability either like. You cant sue them if you can prove that the reason you didnt get the job was your disability but you cant tell an employer that they must employ you because of your disability.

That's turning things on it's head. Again lets go to the racist analogy. If a black man and a white man went for the same job and the white man had basic qualifications whilst the black man had a first class degree, then it follows who should get the job. Should the the employer discriminate because of the race card akin to having rent allowance? I shouldn't think so?

[blackforest]

I appreciate where you are coming from but im not sure that you can "force" someone to take a tenant if they dont want to.

You cant "force" someone to employ a person with a disability either like. You cant sue them if you can prove that the reason you didnt get the job was your disability but you cant tell an employer that they must employ you because of your disability.

It's not that they 'shouldn't employ' but at the very least it should not be a hindrance.

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

So it follows, that if a person is on rent allowance through no choice of their own and has references from previous renting, the landlord should put forth a reason for not renting out, otherwise the person in question has a legal right.

You have no more legal right to lease a landlord's property than you do to enter a pub.

R.O.A.R.

[blackforest]

You have no more legal right to lease a landlord's property than you do to enter a pub.

R.O.A.R.

I don't think you follow here, refusal of tenancy is rather different to a bouncer not letting you into a nightclub on the basis that he doesn't like the look of you or you are wearing white socks, landlords are blatantly displaying that they do not accept rent allowance without even seeing their prospective tenants, it is a blanket form of discrimination, not akin to a drunk trying to enter a doorway.

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

No it's not different. You're being denied entry to a private property, which is perfectly legal.

[Professor Piehead]

It is to do with rent allowance and the non-acceptance of it by a lot of landlords. A friend of mine whom is on long term disability contacted a well known letting agency seeking to view a house for lease. He was told by a person in the letting agency that he was not suitable as the landlord did not accept rent allowance and it was blatantly explained that the landlord did not want to pay tax!
Firstly this is against the law and secondly isn’t it a form of discrimination where adverts as displayed on the internet and in various newspapers refuse the acceptance of rent allowance? My friend is disabled through no fault of his own and has never been in trouble. He is currently on a CE scheme so is being taxed in some capacity, so in a way he is contributing to the state, so why is he being discriminated against when looking for a roof over his head. I think the chief motivation here is tax evasion and this sort of discrimination should be stamped out as I believe there are a lot of people in my friend’s position.

Hi Haro. We've been through this before. The landord can rent his house to whoever he likes or does not like, simple as that.

When I was looking for tennants for my house in the UK, I advertised for professionals, and no DSS. Because I can.

Maybe you'd be happier in RUSSIA.

[blackforest]

Hi Haro. We've been through this before. The landord can rent his house to whoever he likes or does not like, simple as that.

When I was looking for tennants for my house in the UK, I advertised for professionals, and no DSS. Because I can.

Maybe you'd be happier in RUSSIA.

What has Russia got to do with it, I'm talking about liberalism? It's ironic that you have such a staunch and autocratic viewpoint whilst making a reference
to presumably Stalinist russia. Why shouldn't people on rent allowance have as much scope as everybody else? Upon your criteria for refusing a person tenancy due to the fact that they are on rent allowance needs an explanation here. It is outmoded, biased and judgemental and contravenes governmental policy.
Ps: I'm not 'Haro' another bias on your part?

[blackforest]

No it's not different. You're being denied entry to a private property, which is perfectly legal.

On what grounds, tenancy drunkedness?

[shoegirl]

Tenancies would come under the provisions of goods or services. Therefore there are 9 grounds for discrimination:

* gender ground
* marital status
* family status ground
* sexual orientation ground
* religion
* age
* disability
* race
* Traveller

Receipt of rent subsidy would not be covered under any of these grounds per se. A landlord is entitled to choose their tenants by their own standards of judgements, which unfortunately doesn't assist RA tenants.

I've spent about half of the last 10 years living in houses where some or almost all of the flats are rented by RA tenants, and I'm sorry to say that they do seem to bring disproportionate level of hassle for landlords. Even on its most basic level, as a working tenant, I am out of the house 50 hours more per week, which is 50 hours per week less in wear and tear. A lot also have severe difficulty in managing utility bills such as ESB, phone and gas, and I know of former landlords of mine who've been left which as much as 2000 pounds (not euros!) in bills after evicting a bad RA tenant.

I've also seen at least 3 RA tenants evicted in Dublin/Cork for simply wrecking the place. One guy kicked in a Victorian door to his flat, and made a good job of trying to kick in his neighbours also. Another turned the place into a pigsty - landlord evicted him and had to rip out the floors and everything because he was so disgusting. Another one a long time back made my life a total misery by turning her flat into a night club every Saturday night and playing music as POD levels until 10am the following day. (This was the one who left 2 grand in unpaid bills).

Friend of mine bought a house in north Cork that had been rented out to RA tenants. It was a brand new house but you wouldn't believe the state the scumbag tenants (evicted again due to back rent) left it in - it looked like a house that was rented out 20 years earlier and never maintained. She got a good discount on the house though, because of the disgusting state the tenants left it in.

I'm not saying working tenants are great either, sure lots of them wreck places too, but a lot of people who were on welfare until maybe a year ago were on it by choice, and unfortunately that choice was an opt out, which doesn't bode well for somebody who is trying to make a few bob as a landlord.

[hemlock666]

It is to do with rent allowance and the non-acceptance of it by a lot of landlords. A friend of mine whom is on long term disability contacted a well known letting agency seeking to view a house for lease. He was told by a person in the letting agency that he was not suitable as the landlord did not accept rent allowance and it was blatantly explained that the landlord did not want to pay tax!
Firstly this is against the law and secondly isn’t it a form of discrimination where adverts as displayed on the internet and in various newspapers refuse the acceptance of rent allowance? My friend is disabled through no fault of his own and has never been in trouble. He is currently on a CE scheme so is being taxed in some capacity, so in a way he is contributing to the state, so why is he being discriminated against when looking for a roof over his head. I think the chief motivation here is tax evasion and this sort of discrimination should be stamped out as I believe there are a lot of people in my friend’s position.

So a landlord who has pumped a fortune of his own money into his privately owned property which he intends to rent on a market in order to make a profit should be held accountable for the state's misgivings and have to look after those who cant afford what he's offering? Are you for real? Housing is a responsability of the state while rental housing is a private market like any other.
How is trying to make a profit as easily a possible being discriminatory? What a laugh. You really need to ask a few landlords about the calibre of tennant RA tends to bring before riding that high horse into the sunset.

[daithi81]

Non acceptance of rent allowance should be made illegal.

Fuck off. It's private property, you Stalinist cunt.

[hemlock666]

Fuck off. It's private property, you Stalinist cunt.

Be careful you're discriminating against the hand out brigade! They'll be telling you what you can eat next.

[daithi81]

Be careful you're discriminating against the hand out brigade! They'll be telling you what you can eat next.

Hemlock, I'm going to turn up to your house tonight, and if you don't let me in then you will be arrested for discrimination...

*checks list*

because I'm a single male.

You discriminist!

[hemlock666]

Hemlock, I'm going to turn up to your house tonight, and if you don't let me in then you will be arrested for discrimination...

*checks list*

because I'm a single male.

You discriminist!

I just thought of a solution. I pay a shit load of tax, which is then given to you to pay me rent to live in my house, while you wreck the place and blame me for not lowering the rent that Im technically paying in the first place. Seems fair!

[daithi81]

I just thought of a solution. I pay a shit load of tax, which is then given to you to pay me rent to live in my house, while you wreck the place and blame me for not lowering the rent that Im technically paying in the first place. Seems fair!

:lol!:

[Funky Munky]

The landlord is entitled to not accept RA. The landlord is not entitled to not pay tax though!

Report the property and the letting agency ( if they were stupid enough to say the landlord was avoiding tax) to the PRTB and to revenue.

RA is a pain in the arse to collect alot of the time and tenants quite often wont have the funds themselves to pay the rent if there rent allowance doesnt come through because someone in SW forgot to stamp a form/lost a form/ is on holidays/ couldnt be arsed etc. That is why alot of landlords wont accept it.



RA is paid by cheque to the tenant..

[Funky Munky]

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Publications/SW58/Documents/sw58.pdf

[blackforest]

To all the idiots here with their reactive thinking.Again I will reiterate that the nonacceptance of RA is discriminatory by the very nature of nonacceptance being on the grounds that a RA recipient is scum. It is a generalisation and people whom generalise are discriminating. RA is a constitutional right and the main reason why landlords do not want to accept RA is the evasion of tax.

[Matlock]

To all the idiots here with their reactive thinking.Again I will reiterate that the nonacceptance of RA is discriminatory by the very nature of nonacceptance being on the grounds that a RA recipient is scum. It is a generalisation and people whom generalise are discriminating. RA is a constitutional right and the main reason why landlords do not want to accept RA is the evasion of tax.

Where is RA guaranteed in the constitution?

Most landlords are registered. PRTB and tenants right to claim tax credits have seen to that. Alot of landlords dont want to take RA are they have had difficulty in collecting it, and think ( rightly or wrongly) that tenatns who dont pay their own rent are less likely to respect a property.

[leesider]

Where is RA guaranteed in the constitution?

Most landlords are registered. PRTB and tenants right to claim tax credits have seen to that. Alot of landlords dont want to take RA are they have had difficulty in collecting it, and think ( rightly or wrongly) that tenatns who dont pay their own rent are less likely to respect a property.


that about sums it up especially during times of full employment there was this perception about them being scum

[blackforest]

I just thought of a solution. I pay a shit load of tax, which is then given to you to pay me rent to live in my house, while you wreck the place and blame me for not lowering the rent that Im technically paying in the first place. Seems fair!

That's a mefein attitude, one that indicates that you are a selfserving individual. Your 'shitload of tax' is used to fund a myriad of projects (eg the proposed Nama). You are still profiteering through renting out, yes even to RA tenants, above and beyond the pithy revenue you have to hand over, so lets not play the poor mouth you selfish creature. As for your previous thread we live in the real world and unfortunately any given government cannot provide full entitlement to state accomodation for all it's citizens in need. Perhaps in fairy tales like The Hobbit, where every Hobbit is happily living in a little bungalow, does your reasoning beckon.

[Matlock]

I just thought of a solution. I pay a shit load of tax, which is then given to you to pay me rent to live in my house, while you wreck the place and blame me for not lowering the rent that Im technically paying in the first place. Seems fair!

That's a mefein attitude, one that indicates that you are a selfserving individual. Your 'shitload of tax' is used to fund a myriad of projects (eg the proposed Nama). You are still profiteering through renting out, yes even to RA tenants, above and beyond the pithy revenue you have to hand over, so lets not play the poor mouth you selfish creature. As for your previous thread we live in the real world and unfortunately any given government cannot provide full entitlement to state accomodation for all it's citizens in need. Perhaps in fairy tales like The Hobbit, where every Hobbit is happily living in a little bungalow, does your reasoning beckon.

Most landlords dont even cover their mortgage with the rental payments they get.

[blackforest]

[QUOTE=blackforest;28 83098]

Most landlords dont even cover their mortgage with the rental payments they get.

That's because the properties are overvalued as is and again the greed factor comes to the fore, ie: money before people's civil liberties.

[Professor Piehead]

That's a mefein attitude, one that indicates that you are a selfserving individual. Your 'shitload of tax' is used to fund a myriad of projects (eg the proposed Nama). You are still profiteering through renting out, yes even to RA tenants, above and beyond the pithy revenue you have to hand over, so lets not play the poor mouth you selfish creature. As for your previous thread we live in the real world and unfortunately any given government cannot provide full entitlement to state accomodation for all it's citizens in need. Perhaps in fairy tales like The Hobbit, where every Hobbit is happily living in a little bungalow, does your reasoning beckon.

:lol!:

Black-y, capitalism, the economic system in place here, favours those that put in effort, ingenuity, hard work, dedication and a little risk taking.

Unfortunately, apart from over-generous welfare payments, it does not favour those that sit on their arse and expect things to happen. For that, you will have to book a ticket to RUSSIA.

[hemlock666]

I just thought of a solution. I pay a shit load of tax, which is then given to you to pay me rent to live in my house, while you wreck the place and blame me for not lowering the rent that Im technically paying in the first place. Seems fair!

That's a mefein attitude, one that indicates that you are a selfserving individual. Your 'shitload of tax' is used to fund a myriad of projects (eg the proposed Nama). You are still profiteering through renting out, yes even to RA tenants, above and beyond the pithy revenue you have to hand over, so lets not play the poor mouth you selfish creature. As for your previous thread we live in the real world and unfortunately any given government cannot provide full entitlement to state accomodation for all it's citizens in need. Perhaps in fairy tales like The Hobbit, where every Hobbit is happily living in a little bungalow, does your reasoning beckon.

Yes Im self serving. I look out for number one. What the fuck is wrong with that? Last time I checked my surname wasn't De Paul. I am a selfish creature. Correct. Im looking after myself and you can fucking starve to death in a doorway for all I care.
Now for a little truth. If you want to rely on handouts then so be it. But if you think that entitles you to dictate the nature and terms of said handouts then you sir are a fucking idiot. If you live out of a bin you'll end up eating rubbish. If you care to take your head out of the clouds long enough you'll notice theres this thing called money. This makes the world go round. The more you have the easier your journey. The less you have the harder. Simple as that... and next budget you'll have a lot more to moan about and claim (wrongly) as a constitutional right.

[Iancurtis]

[QUOTE=blackforest;28 83098]

Yes Im self serving. I look out for number one. What the fuck is wrong with that? Last time I checked my surname wasn't De Paul. I am a selfish creature. Correct. Im looking after myself and you can fucking starve to death in a doorway for all I care.
Now for a little truth. If you want to rely on handouts then so be it. But if you think that entitles you to dictate the nature and terms of said handouts then you sir are a fucking idiot. If you live out of a bin you'll end up eating rubbish. If you care to take your head out of the clouds long enough you'll notice theres this thing called money. This makes the world go round. The more you have the easier your journey. The less you have the harder. Simple as that... and next budget you'll have a lot more to moan about and claim (wrongly) as a constitutional right.

I'd say your relatives are really excited at the thought of the lovely presents that you're going to give them at Xmass.

[Iancurtis]

Hi Haro. We've been through this before. The landord can rent his house to whoever he likes or does not like, simple as that.

When I was looking for tennants for my house in the UK, I advertised for professionals, and no DSS. Because I can.

Maybe you'd be happier in RUSSIA.

Hate to tell you this but there's a gang of new age hippies squatting in that house and they've made shit of the place.

[blackforest]

[QUOTE=blackforest;28 83098]

Yes Im self serving. I look out for number one. What the fuck is wrong with that? Last time I checked my surname wasn't De Paul. I am a selfish creature. Correct. Im looking after myself and you can fucking starve to death in a doorway for all I care.
Now for a little truth. If you want to rely on handouts then so be it. But if you think that entitles you to dictate the nature and terms of said handouts then you sir are a fucking idiot. If you live out of a bin you'll end up eating rubbish. If you care to take your head out of the clouds long enough you'll notice theres this thing called money. This makes the world go round. The more you have the easier your journey. The less you have the harder. Simple as that... and next budget you'll have a lot more to moan about and claim (wrongly) as a constitutional right.

With regards to the first 'statement', we live in what is called a society, with regards to the second 'statement' it smarts of Stalinism (refer to Piehead's misguided quip), and finally sir I am not on the dole but am a social and liberal personae unlike you who I would rank as a typically mefeiner paddy whom is atypically part of the rot that has descended on this country.

[Haro]

Tenancies would come under the provisions of goods or services. Therefore there are 9 grounds for discrimination:

* gender ground
* marital status
* family status ground
* sexual orientation ground
* religion
* age
* disability
* race
* Traveller

Receipt of rent subsidy would not be covered under any of these grounds per se. A landlord is entitled to choose their tenants by their own standards of judgements, which unfortunately doesn't assist RA tenants.

I've spent about half of the last 10 years living in houses where some or almost all of the flats are rented by RA tenants, and I'm sorry to say that they do seem to bring disproportionate level of hassle for landlords. Even on its most basic level, as a working tenant, I am out of the house 50 hours more per week, which is 50 hours per week less in wear and tear. A lot also have severe difficulty in managing utility bills such as ESB, phone and gas, and I know of former landlords of mine who've been left which as much as 2000 pounds (not euros!) in bills after evicting a bad RA tenant.

I've also seen at least 3 RA tenants evicted in Dublin/Cork for simply wrecking the place. One guy kicked in a Victorian door to his flat, and made a good job of trying to kick in his neighbours also. Another turned the place into a pigsty - landlord evicted him and had to rip out the floors and everything because he was so disgusting. Another one a long time back made my life a total misery by turning her flat into a night club every Saturday night and playing music as POD levels until 10am the following day. (This was the one who left 2 grand in unpaid bills).

Friend of mine bought a house in north Cork that had been rented out to RA tenants. It was a brand new house but you wouldn't believe the state the scumbag tenants (evicted again due to back rent) left it in - it looked like a house that was rented out 20 years earlier and never maintained. She got a good discount on the house though, because of the disgusting state the tenants left it in.

I'm not saying working tenants are great either, sure lots of them wreck places too, but a lot of people who were on welfare until maybe a year ago were on it by choice, and unfortunately that choice was an opt out, which doesn't bode well for somebody who is trying to make a few bob as a landlord.

Economic background is one too, actually. You can't systematically break down discrimination like that. Discrimination is making prejudgements about something for any unfair/irrelevant reason. Even if I didn't give it to someone because they had a shirt from some band, and I thought people who liked that band were a bit violent. Generally these things aren't as true as they seem. It's still a form of discrimination. If the person actually came across as a complete dick - that'd be a different matter. A Landlord shouldn't really care about personal preferences - or where they get the money for the rent.

Again, you can't really say that discrimination is only those things. It's any unfair prejudgement. Why for example is it not acceptable to discriminate against a Traveller, but it is someone on RA? You could easily argue they're far worse if you wanted to.

If Landlords are going to make any kind of discriminatory judgements, at least make fairer, more practical ones. Don't write people off on the basis of rent allowance - check them out first, and see how they get on the first few weeks. A lot of these horror stories, I think, are partly blamable on the landlord, if they allow it to get so bad to begin with.

Also, disability counts as people on disability get rent allowance too.

It's all well and good until you try and find a place that does take rent allowance... people like Piehead like to say there's a right to this and that, but ignore the wider effect that occurs. That's why laws exist for many things to begin with. You could apply the same thing to discrimination of any kind.

[blackforest]

Economic background is one too, actually. You can't systematically break down discrimination like that. Discrimination is making prejudgements about something for any unfair/irrelevant reason. Even if I didn't give it to someone because they had a shirt from some band, and I thought people who liked that band were a bit violent. Generally these things aren't as true as they seem. It's still a form of discrimination. If the person actually came across as a complete dick - that'd be a different matter. A Landlord shouldn't really care about personal preferences - or where they get the money for the rent.

Again, you can't really say that discrimination is only those things. It's any unfair prejudgement. Why for example is it not acceptable to discriminate against a Traveller, but it is someone on RA? You could easily argue they're far worse if you wanted to.

If Landlords are going to make any kind of discriminatory judgements, at least make fairer, more practical ones. Don't write people off on the basis of rent allowance - check them out first, and see how they get on the first few weeks. A lot of these horror stories, I think, are partly blamable on the landlord, if they allow it to get so bad to begin with.

Also, disability counts as people on disability get rent allowance too.

It's all well and good until you try and find a place that does take rent allowance... people like Piehead like to say there's a right to this and that, but ignore the wider effect that occurs. That's why laws exist for many things to begin with. You could apply the same thing to discrimination of any kind.

My point exactly, as long as the source of the money is legal it should not matter where it comes from. Prospective tenants should be judged through references from previous landlords and/or from persons of social standing.

[hemlock666]

[QUOTE=hemlock666;288 4034]

With regards to the first 'statement', we live in what is called a society, with regards to the second 'statement' it smarts of Stalinism (refer to Piehead's misguided quip), and finally sir I am not on the dole but am a social and liberal personae unlike you who I would rank as a typically mefeiner paddy whom is atypically part of the rot that has descended on this country.

A valid point on paper, however seeing as globaly approx 13,000 children starve to death every minute this head in the clouds idea of society simply holds no weight. In reality all the good natured virtues of a quait utopian world youre extolling simply dont exist. I know you think they do and wont let go of the idea that we're at heart a nice caring species, but it really isnt the case. I wish it were so but it fucking nonsense to suggest it is simply because its not so immediately apparent in our western culture as in poorer countries, or because the media tells us were so civillised.
By the way Im liberal but also I can see that I have to survive and if that means being greedy or self serving then I guess Im guilty. Id love to stop the rot but the rot has been part of society since time began. Im not as you infer a mefeiner paddy, but a realist who sees that if you dont take care of yourself then no one else will.

[blackforest]

[QUOTE=blackforest;28 88991]

A valid point on paper, however seeing as globaly approx 13,000 children starve to death every minute this head in the clouds idea of society simply holds no weight. In reality all the good natured virtues of a quait utopian world youre extolling simply dont exist. I know you think they do and wont let go of the idea that we're at heart a nice caring species, but it really isnt the case. I wish it were so but it fucking nonsense to suggest it is simply because its not so immediately apparent in our western culture as in poorer countries, or because the media tells us were so civillised.
By the way Im liberal but also I can see that I have to survive and if that means being greedy or self serving then I guess Im guilty. Id love to stop the rot but the rot has been part of society since time began. Im not as you infer a mefeiner paddy, but a realist who sees that if you dont take care of yourself then no one else will.
Ok, you seem like a nice guy/gal deep down, so I will leave you with a re-iteration of my response to Haro, as follows:
My point exactly, as long as the source of the money is legal it should not matter where it comes from. Prospective tenants should be judged through references from previous landlords and/or from persons of social standing.

[Iancurtis]

:lol!:

Black-y, capitalism, the economic system in place here, favours those that put in effort, ingenuity, hard work, dedication and a little risk taking.

Unfortunately, apart from over-generous welfare payments, it does not favour those that sit on their arse and expect things to happen. For that, you will have to book a ticket to RUSSIA.

Russia's not been communist for quite some time now genius.

[Professor Piehead]

Russia's not been communist for quite some time now genius.

Ooooh, never.

Thanks for the update.

[blackforest]

:lol!:

Black-y, capitalism, the economic system in place here, favours those that put in effort, ingenuity, hard work, dedication and a little risk taking.

Unfortunately, apart from over-generous welfare payments, it does not favour those that sit on their arse and expect things to happen. For that, you will have to book a ticket to RUSSIA.

You try living on 200 euro a week and see how you like it and no I am not on the dole myself. Besides the thread is about rent allowance discrimination not about your so-called dole scrounging.

[midletonman]

is a lot of refusal of RA not based on the grounds of most Irish landlords being unregistered and still have the good old Irish attitude of 'getting away with things'?

[Iancurtis]

Ooooh, never.

Thanks for the update.

Much obliged,i'll be on hand should you need any more advice.

[C Montgomery Bones]

Im a landlord and i dont accept RA.

My reason is that it is a risk. There is a greater chance that a person on RA will damage the house than a person who is paying out of their own pocket. My logic being that if you pay for something yourself you take care of it better.
I dont care if its discrimination, i dont want to be worrying about my property being destroyed. I have greater peace of mind if i dont rent to RA tenants. Its just my view point and im entitled to rent my house out to whome ever i want.

Im sure there are plenty of RA tenants that would be ideal tenants and plenty of non RA people that would be a nightmare, but i bet if you could get some stats on it you would find a greater nember of RA people were trouble.

[Matlock]

is a lot of refusal of RA not based on the grounds of most Irish landlords being unregistered and still have the good old Irish attitude of 'getting away with things'?

Nah, most landlords are registered at this stage. If your tenant decides to claim tax relief under the R1 scheme you( as a landlord) are goosed anyway, plus it is much more difficult to evict someone if you are not registered.

[Professor Piehead]

I think this is a perfectly valid standpoint. RA tenants/students will certainly be more likely to cause damage to your property. What I will say, though, is that blanket refusal is slightly unfair. Why not evaluate the individual when showing them around the property? I am sure you could tell if someone is likely to be a nuisance?

Haro does have a point in that, how is a handicapped person likely to trash a property? Being disabled is not the same as being from a low socioeconomic background.

I think you should adopt a more pragmatic approach. Of course, the landlord should always have the right of refusal.

As I've said before, Haro would be refused on the grounds that he is an obnoxious twat, not because he is retarded.

[blackforest]

I have no doubt this is this case. I was responding to what Montgomery said about not letting to any RA tenants.

Again more nonsense from reactive view points. As I've said before judgement should be based on character references, pure and simple and not about some silly stories bandied about of how some RA tenants trashed a place, and Jesus's assertion that the landlord has the ultimate say carries weight alright but under what laughable criteria? Let's be pragmatic here boys and see some reason beyond the pale.

[C Montgomery Bones]

Again more nonsense from reactive view points. As I've said before judgement should be based on character references, pure and simple and not about some silly stories bandied about of how some RA tenants trashed a place, and Jesus's assertion that the landlord has the ultimate say carries weight alright but under what laughable criteria? Let's be pragmatic here boys and see some reason beyond the pale.

Ok so he is being pragmatic and you are being idealistic but i am a landlord.
Its only when your a landlord and have been through some crap with tenants that you realise that being idealistic and honourable sometimes ends up with you getting the shitty end of the stick.

So for me its just more practical to have no RA on my ads.

[irishmonkey]

I would assume that its just easier not using RA as the government are a slow as hell and a pain in the hole to deal with.
If i was a land lord and i had 2 options
1. get paid nice and easy
2. get some rent and then fill out forms and wait weeks/months for payment from the goverment
which do you think i would do

[blackforest]

I would assume that its just easier not using RA as the government are a slow as hell and a pain in the hole to deal with.
If i was a land lord and i had 2 options
1. get paid nice and easy
2. get some rent and then fill out forms and wait weeks/months for payment from the goverment
which do you think i would do

Complete forehead whoosh here, you're missing the point completely. Again let me reiterate to you and the previous subscriber, the criteria upon which landlords are basing tenancy is biased and discriminatory, and should be outlawed. RA applicants should have the right to rent ubiquitously as the source of their allowance is valid and legal. The chief objection to renting out to RA tenants is due to the avoidance of tax payment which is thinly disguised as lack of faith in RA tenants due to previously bad experiences on the respective landlords part.

[C Montgomery Bones]

Complete forehead whoosh here, you're missing the point completely. Again let me reiterate to you and the previous subscriber, the criteria upon which landlords are basing tenancy is biased and discriminatory, and should be outlawed. RA applicants should have the right to rent ubiquitously as the source of their allowance is valid and legal. The chief objection to renting out to RA tenants is due to the avoidance of tax payment which is thinly disguised as lack of faith in RA tenants due to previously bad experiences on the respective landlords part.


So fucking what. Deal with it.
There are plenty of insurance companies out there who advertise as women only, are ya gonna have a pop at them next?
Or what about curevs, women only gyms!whats that all about?

Some people just dont wanna have to deal with scummers and most scummers who rent houses do so with rent allowance. Its not a rumour or opinion but a fact.Sure there are plenty of decent people who also use rent allowance but im not taking the chance.

[blackforest]

So fucking what. Deal with it.
There are plenty of insurance companies out there who advertise as women only, are ya gonna have a pop at them next?
Or what about curevs, women only gyms!whats that all about?

Some people just dont wanna have to deal with scummers and most scummers who rent houses do so with rent allowance. Its not a rumour or opinion but a fact.Sure there are plenty of decent people who also use rent allowance but im not taking the chance.

meus cuspis verum, your previous threads have been invalidated as you are showing your true colours, 4:33 am eh? tanked up there on tenancy money you parasitic twat?