FG's Lucinda Creightin is 'anti construction jobs

[quincytwo]

Lucinda Creighton looks as if she intends to form an ‘ anti construction wing’ within the Fine Gael party. She has already decided to join the wealthy NIMBY objectors in Ballsbridge to object to Sean Dunne’s audacious plans to plough ahead with a development plan in the current recession.
The artist's impression show quite a decent looking development opposite the main entrance to the RDS and frankly parts of the RDS facility look quite decrepit so this development couldn’t look worse than parts of the RDS itself.
The question for Fine Gael is will the party put the national good ahead of Nimbyism or will that section of society which has done so well out of the boom be allowed to continue to keep Ballsbridge as a development free enclave ?
As if to prove the point of forming an ‘anti construction wing‘ , Creighton has now come out against RTE's proposals to develop Montrose and is sureley copper fastening her place as 'Queen of the NIMBY's. Presumably the proximity of the proposed development to the RDS is not a problem.
Not content with merely being an objector, this 'diva' had to be melodramatic about it as well: " This is an outrageous request from a semi - state body ".
No, RTE's proposal can hardly be classed as so serious as to be an outrage - over 400,000 people out of work is an outrage.
At 29 Mz Crieghton is a little too old to ascribe her nimby attitude to tender years or to immaturity. She, I believe, lives in Donnybrook, so in this particular case her intervention may simply be due to selfishness.
In any event this woman’s priviliged education in Trinity College and at the Bar may have blinded her to as to the state of this country's economy. FG need to put Creighton in her place quickly if they are to have any credibility as a party who can play a positive part in tackling this recession
It really is time someone in the party had a word with her. Simon Coveney, do the necessary.

[jd26]

Here are some images of the proposed development

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Now, other than finding a stick to beat Fine Gael, why do you particularly care about a development in Dublin.

Now, do you want to answer the following
- Considering the vast bulk of the area is 18th and early 19th century housing, is it really a good idea to just stick that tower in the middle of it?
- Considering that Dublin's development plan had no provision for high rise in that area, is it a good idea to just build a big tower with none of the infrastructure in place?
- Consider that the developer has said he 'could be considered insolvent', is it a good idea to allow him to start on a site when he may not be able to finish the job there?


Some of the original housing got left in the third picture. I assume the artist wasn't paid his fee for that oversight.

Why do you support this development.

[daithi81]

Yeah, improve the economy by throwing everything into the very sector that fucked us...

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

that looks shit.

and really, who gives a shit about construction workers right now?

[daithi81]

that looks shit.

and really, who gives a shit about construction workers right now?

I don't. I'm sure they saved a lot of wedge from the good days, right? Right?

[Proinsias]

I don't. I'm sure they saved a lot of wedge from the good days, right? Right?

Saving is for tightwads and boring fuckers.

Apparently.

[Eoin]

I don't. I'm sure they saved a lot of wedge from the good days, right? Right?

If by save, you mean invested in an over-priced holiday home in allicante and a couple of jeeps, then yes, yes they did.

[daithi81]

If by save, you mean invested in an over-priced holiday home in allicante and a couple of jeeps, then yes, yes they did.

Good stuff, I was a little worried there.

:lol!:

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

Alloys are the new Art when it comes to investing

[quincytwo]

jd26 wrong development !

Sorry to ruin a good smear, but you have the wrong development : dont you read the newspapers at all ?
You try so hard to be a wise guy and then end up making a fool of yourself !

I am afraid you will have to go further out into Ballsbridge as far as the RDS.
And no there isnt any 14 story tower invoved and there definitely isnt anything as high as the Eleysian Tower which we accepted quite happily in Cork.

Maybe you people are too ' grand' to ever have worked on a building site and can turn your noses up at construction jobs.

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

jd26 wrong development !

Sorry to ruin a good smear, but you have the wrong development : dont you read the newspapers at all ?
You try so hard to be a wise guy and then end up making a fool of yourself !

I am afraid you will have to go further out into Ballsbridge as far as the RDS.
And no there isnt any 14 story tower invoved and there definitely isnt anything as high as the Eleysian Tower which we accepted quite happily in Cork.

Maybe you people are too ' grand' to ever have worked on a building site and can turn your noses up at construction jobs.

Actually I have worked on a building site and because of this I know that construction workers here fucked themselves in the bum. FACT, actually

[KolaKubes]

If by save, you mean invested in an over-priced holiday home in allicante and a couple of jeeps, then yes, yes they did.

Poor simpys.

[jd26]

jd26 wrong development !

Sorry to ruin a good smear, but you have the wrong development : dont you read the newspapers at all ?
You try so hard to be a wise guy and then end up making a fool of yourself !

I am afraid you will have to go further out into Ballsbridge as far as the RDS.
And no there isnt any 14 story tower invoved and there definitely isnt anything as high as the Eleysian Tower which we accepted quite happily in Cork.

Maybe you people are too ' grand' to ever have worked on a building site and can turn your noses up at construction jobs.

Do you want to put up some pictured of the development so we can judge for ourselves?

And there are still some relevant questions that you haven't answered

- Is the development consistent with Dublin's development plan ?
- Considering that the developer has said he 'could be considered insolvent', is it a good idea to allow him to start on a site when he may not be able to finish the job there?

You also need to answer whether it's really a good idea to just go round creating development jobs willy-nilly. What's the point in building loads of apartments if there's nobody to live in them? What's the point in building commercial premises if there are no firms to occupy them?

Would it perhaps be a better idea to aim for a more sustainable spread of jobs so that construction jobs can be maintained over a long period, providing construction services to people and firms engaged in other economic sectors, instead of going through a boom and bust cycle?

Should be concrete over the entire country just to create construction jobs?

But let's face it, you hardly care. You don't require consistency so long as you can attack parties you don't like.

BTW Sean Dunne's various development plans for South Dublin whiff of a gambler playing double or quits.

[washington678]

I am not so knowledgeable about this matter. So i have to learn it. Thanks for the post.


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[daithi81]

Given the mess the construction sector got us into, I would be against it too.

Time to lose our dependancy, people. It isn't good for the economy.

[quincytwo]

Do you want to put up some pictured of the development so we can judge for ourselves?
I think it was the Sunday Indo, a week ago, I saw it in, but I am not sure and it was in the actual paper as opposed to online, so I cant really show at this late stage.

Is the development consistent with Dublin's development plan ?
- Considering that the developer has said he 'could be considered insolvent', is it a good idea to allow him to start on a site when he may not be able to finish the job there?
I dont think Mz Creightion's objection had anything at all to do with the solvency or other wise of the developer - she justs really 'dislikes' him ! In any event I dont think making assumptions about the solvency of a developer has any role in determing planning applications.
Most developers, home owners and indeed many ordinary perfectly profitable businneses would be 'insolvent if all their liabilities had to be paid in the morning ! So the statement about Dunne being insolvent could be both true but irrelevant.
Should I declare myself bankrupt because I couldnt pay back my mortgage in the morning if asked ?

You also need to answer whether it's really a good idea to just go round creating development jobs willy-nilly. What's the point in building loads of apartments if there's nobody to live in them? What's the point in building commercial premises if there are no firms to occupy them?

Go down to the SW and ask if anybody is interested in a ' willy nilly' construction job. Jd you are too intelligent to be re-gurgitating this kind of populist cliche.
The huge amount of money that has to be invested in plannning fees and in going through and financing the planning application and the inevitable appeals process appeals process for this these types of development means labelling them ' willy nilly' projects is silly.
Good quality state of the art commercial buildings will always find tenants.
Remember the ' collapase' of Canary Wharf ? Well it didnt collapse at all, the orginal developers lost a packet, were they Canadians?,

Should be concrete over the entire country just to create construction jobs?
Another populist and silly cliche.

But let's face it, you hardly care. You don't require consistency so long as you can attack parties you don't like.
Should I attack parties I do like ?
I have favourably compared the local FG TDs, who dont seem to share your dislike of the construction sector with Queen of the NIMBY's, Madam Creighton.
P.S I voted FG in the last two elections. (Cant remember what preference I gave them in GE )
Its not just Sean Dunne Creighton doestlike, she has attacked RTE for considering seeking chagnge of desigantion of its lands : " Outrageous" and has even objected to the building of 16 Social and affordable units in her constituency ! See next post.
I must say, you pick some very funny politicians to defend !

[quincytwo]

.Creighton objects to Social and affordable housing as well --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In fairness to Mz Crieghton, she doesnt just object to high rise developoments,Social and Affordable housing in ' exclusive areas have also been attacked by this defender of the privileges of the welathy.
This is an extract from the Sunday Independent, Feb, 2008.

PLANS to build social and affordable apartments in an exclusive area of Dublin 4 have hit a major stumbling block following cross-party objections from two TDs and two local councillors.

Fine Gael TD Lucinda Creighton and Fianna Fail TD Chris Andrews have both sent letters to Dublin City planners opposing the development, as have Fine Gael Councillor Paddy McCartan and Progressive Democrat Councillor John Kenny.

Developer Sean Dunne had hoped to build the 16 apartments on Church Avenue in Sandymount in order to fulfil his obligations to provide affordable housing as part of the redevelopment of the Jurys Berkeley Court site in nearby Ballsbridge.

The politicians' objections, coupled with those of the Sandymount and Merrion Residents' Association and 12

individual local residents, could yet imperil the plan to provide much-needed homes for young families from the Ringsend area looking to get their first foothold on the property ladder.

Ms Creighton's objection to the modern four-storey apartment block, on the grounds that it "would not be in the interests of the proper planning and sustainable development of the area", is especially surprising, given her recent comments on the property market in this newspaper.

In an interview for the Sunday Independent's Paper Prophet column on January 6, Ms Creighton -- who earns a basic TD's salary of €108,500 -- complained of not being able to "secure a mortgage", claiming that the "property market [in Dublin] is simply out of my league" because of the "spiralling house prices".

[jd26]

I'll defend politicians from any unwarranted attack.

Personally, I have no time for Creighton. Other than Mary Harney, she's the most Thatcherite politician that we've ever produced. But take her up on that, not because she is actually representing her constituents.

I've had to defend Michael McGrath, who I think is a charlatan, only in politics for his own personal agrandissement. But again, your attack on him was unfair.

Incidentally, I'm pretty certain you said you voted for Dan Boyle in the last GE. Now, it's FG?

As for the whole point of your thread... 'Build it and they will come'. We saw how badly that has failed us in the past. It left us with houses and commercial premises in places that lacked the infrastructure to support it, massive traffic jams snarling up our capital city and finally a mass of unsold property because they didn't come.

That game is behind us and we have to create a proper balanced economy. Support Mr Double or Quits if you like, but it's to Ireland's long-term detriment.

[quincytwo]

I'll defend politicians from any unwarranted attack.

Personally, I have no time for Creighton. Other than Mary Harney, she's the most Thatcherite politician that we've ever produced. But take her up on that, not because she is actually representing her constituents.

I've had to defend Michael McGrath, who I think is a charlatan, only in politics for his own personal agrandissement. But again, your attack on him was unfair.

Incidentally, I'm pretty certain you said you voted for Dan Boyle in the last GE. Now, it's FG?

As for the whole point of your thread... 'Build it and they will come'. We saw how badly that has failed us in the past. It left us with houses and commercial premises in places that lacked the infrastructure to support it, massive traffic jams snarling up our capital city and finally a mass of unsold property because they didn't come.

That game is behind us and we have to create a proper balanced economy. Support Mr Double or Quits if you like, but it's to Ireland's long-term detriment.

Incidentally, I'm pretty certain you said you voted for Dan Boyle in the last GE. Now, it's FG?
jD, You have heard of PR, havent you ?

The thing is JD, the situation we are in now results from a massive political failure more than anything else.
Builders dont go get elected, bankers dont get elected, regulators dont get elected. No it is politicians who repeatedly, at local and national level, who declare themselves more qualified than anyone else to lead this country.
They control what happens.
It is their responsibility to finance Local Authority houses. Instead the people who bought houses and apartments across the country have had to pick up the bill for 'Social and Affordable' housing. It does cost developers anything, they just pass the bill on to the customers. Meanwhile the politicians grew cfatter and fatter on inflated saslaries and expenses and pensions. And their buddies get rich from sitting on quango after quango !
Dont you think it funny Politicians passing the buck for Social Housing to the taxpayers who want to buy their own homes but have to subsidise Social and Affordable houses as well and then these home buyers see politicians objecting to the building of the S & A houses.
The beauty of it for politicians is of course, they dont have the responsibility anymore for providing solutions, they can just be the objectors !Its a bit like the protestors at places like the Boyne Valley.
However you sit there and wring your hands and say ' You are being unfair to this politician and that politician'.
Creighton can represent her constituents as much as she likes, but if joe citizen sees her statements like " Thats outrageous", as she did in relation to RTEs plans to try to get Montrose rezoned after objecting to a good few other developments of differerent sizes, then Joe Citizen is entitled to say she is anti - construction.
And God knows that is a very mild statement to make in comparison to the knid of things that get said in the Dail.

And what was so wrong with my ' attack' on McGrath ?
I gave the details of a letter he circulated and offered my own opinions on it.

Jd, at the end of the day, you are just too impressed and overawed by politicians.
And your chacterisation of Harney as a 'Thatcherite' is ridiculous.
Harney was hand in hand with Ahern in benchmarking and Social Partnership - these could have come from a Communist Manifesto - Power to the workers, i.e the Public Service workers.

[jd26]

I've heard of PR, but most people say they voted for their first preference. I always fill my ballot in from top to bottom. Is that to say I voted for every one of them? Usually by the time I'm down the bottom, I'm dealing with who I dislike less.

So, who did get your number 1 preference?

Have a look in the thread on McGrath if you want to see what my problem with your attack was.

As for being overawed by politicians, no, I'm not. Have a trawl through my history. I've plenty of criticisms of them. But they're fair and balanced criticisms. You on the other hand seem to have a hatred of politicians; either that or you have a hidden agenda, which we can only guess at by who you don't attack.

BTW Harney is a Thatcherite. See her shameless privatisation of the health and bus services. No thought for what actually might be useful for people. Or her obsession with tax cuts, far beyond what was sustainable. It was a coalition and social partnership was Bertie's baby.

Anyway, back to the issue that the thread was supposedly about. Other than the creation of further unsustainable construction jobs, can you give me any good reasons why the development should go ahead. Does Dublin need the extra housing capacity at the moment? Is the site suitable (transport, sewerage, adequate places in local schools etc.)? Will the builder be able to finish the project?

Would discussing those issues expose the flimsiness of your position?

[quincytwo]

I've heard of PR, but most people say they voted for their first preference. I always fill my ballot in from top to bottom. Is that to say I voted for every one of them? Usually by the time I'm down the bottom, I'm dealing with who I dislike less.

So, who did get your number 1 preference?

Have a look in the thread on McGrath if you want to see what my problem with your attack was.

As for being overawed by politicians, no, I'm not. Have a trawl through my history. I've plenty of criticisms of them. But they're fair and balanced criticisms. You on the other hand seem to have a hatred of politicians; either that or you have a hidden agenda, which we can only guess at by who you don't attack.

BTW Harney is a Thatcherite. See her shameless privatisation of the health and bus services. No thought for what actually might be useful for people. Or her obsession with tax cuts, far beyond what was sustainable. It was a coalition and social partnership was Bertie's baby.

Anyway, back to the issue that the thread was supposedly about. Other than the creation of further unsustainable construction jobs, can you give me any good reasons why the development should go ahead. Does Dublin need the extra housing capacity at the moment? Is the site suitable (transport, sewerage, adequate places in local schools etc.)? Will the builder be able to finish the project?

Would discussing those issues expose the flimsiness of your position?

You continue to throw sh*it about my McGrath column, so here are my posts on it :

McGrath saves bus for wealthy !
Michael McGrath has been issuing letters door to door, on Dail notepaper, saying he has saved No 16 Bus Route serving Mount Oval & Maryborough Hill.
This is obviously good news for bus users on this route who despite my heading are not all wealthy as this area has many renters who work in ordinary jobs.
I am curious though as to why it is not his councillor brother, Seamus, who has been dealing with what is a local issue.
In fact as Seamus is Michael's secretary ( with a TD's secretarial salary of around €40k), it was probably Seamus who did the actual work of writing to Bus Eireann and in organising the letter drop. So why doesn’t Seamus get the credit ?

[.Well it was the first thing to pop into my head, but decided to put the other side of story as well !
You have to admit Mount Oval/ Maryborough Hill area doesnt rank as poorest sector of Cork, at least auctioneers dont Think so anyway.
I didnt see any Socialist party or Workers Party election signs in that area !
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd26 
I never thought I'd find myself defending that cretin McGrath, but you drive me to it...

The local authorities have no power over Bus Eireann. It's administered at national level. Dealing with it is the job of a TD.

Mind you, you'd wonder how many people he's fooling with his claims of saving something that wouldn't be in jeopardy if it wasn't for his party's mishandling of the state finances.

Well if this had been done in time for their joint newsletter before the elections, it would have been done under Seamus's name.
I have a number of these newsletters and items which Michael was claiming credit for in Jn/Feb suddenly were under Seamus's name in the newsletter given out immediately before the election.
The reply from Bus Eireann, which was printed on the reverse of the letter, came from the Regional Manager in Capwell Road.
I any event I cant see why a Councillor cant contact Bus Eireann even if it was in Dublin. .

The only one I hate in politics is Bertie Ahern.

I only despise him !
.

Now you can tell me what your problem is. For me I think it is good commentary about a politician trying to convince voters, or at least igive the impression of doing so,using our tax money, that McGrath has intervened to save a bus service that was never in threat at all !

The person who used the word " Cretin" was youself ! And you want to convey the opinion that I am the one being unfair.
I suspect you like to hangout with or near local politicians and like to impress them with your sense of " fairness" .Comments like " cretin" are just to show your buddies what a tough guy you are !
Maybe you are even a Councillor yourself.
Your comments about the need for a TD, rather than a councillor, contacting Bus Eireann were plainly nonsense .

[jd26]

Have you seen the relationship between the city council/county council and Bus Eireann. They don't listen in the slightest. To get Bus Eireann to listen at all, it has to be done up in Dublin.

I strongly doubt McGrath did anything at all, but to say that it wouldn't be in his remit is just plain wrong.

Now, why do you feel the need to attack me every time you criticise me. Imply I'm a Green supporter (Wrong). Imply I'm a councillor (Wrong). If you like I could accuse you of being a Socialist/Sinn Fein troll. God knows, I can't work out what your agenda is, but they're the only two parties I haven't seen you criticise, so if you're trying to do anything constructive...

[quincytwo]

Actually I have worked on a building site and because of this I know that construction workers here fucked themselves in the bum. FACT, actually


So have I and I have been shortchanged on wages and overtime on occassion but that doesnt mean I have to fall into the cliche that construction is the source of all the evils in the economy.
It is politicians who first and foremost bear the responsibility for the situation we are.
I dont give a rats ass for any individual developer and how broke they go is of no interest to me.
I am all for 'Lifting the veil' of incorporation to chase after the peronsal assests of defaulting developers - I dont see why tax free exiles can spend 180 days in this country either !
So why dont politicians do something about these things.
Ask Jd, he is the politicians friend and defender.

I seem to be one of the few people on PROC who would like to see some unemployed builders back to work.

[quincytwo]

I have no problems in giving politicians credit as well as criticising them so here is a reasonably comlpimentary colour piece from the Irish Independent.:

By SUSAN DALY Irish Independent :

Saturday April 04 2009

Just two short years ago, Lucinda Creighton was the great white-haired hope of Fine Gael. Pushed forward at every photo opportunity, her pretty blonde looks caught the spotlight -- and her smart, vocal style made sure it stayed on her.

She could be vicious to rivals but her position as Enda Kenny's loyal right-hand woman was unquestioned until last week. What Enda has since called a "run-of-the-mill" row during a parliamentary party meeting had Lucinda dashing out of the room in anger and upset.

Her open questioning of Kenny on Fine Gael's decision to pull out of the Late Late Show's Seanad debate showed a schism between the mentor and his protegee -- and some say, laid bare Creighton's own political ambitions clearly for the first time.

Is there more to Lucinda than we had suspected? An anecdote from her 2007 general election campaign seems to suggest there is.

In early May 2007, candidates in the impending election were preparing for the final push. Lucinda Creighton, then 27 years old, was one of those ambitious TDs-in-waiting mainlining coffee and pressing the flesh 18 hours a day in a bid to mop up every last vote.

Creighton was anxious not to waste a moment working her target constituency of Dublin South East: she had been a worker bee on the doomed 2002 general election campaign of Frances Fitzgerald there and was determined to reclaim the seat for Fine Gael in her first time out.

But in that final stretch towards May 24, 2007, Lucinda Creighton went AWOL for a day. She got in her car and drove to her native town of Claremorris to give a speech at the annual achievements ceremony of her old secondary school. The Convent of Mercy was celebrating 50 years of educating the girls of the town and had invited past pupil Lucinda to speak, not realising the event would come so close to election day.

Staff were "chuffed" when she turned up. "She gave up her day for us, no fuss," said one, "She didn't speak about her own achievements, she spoke so highly of the school and what her schooldays had meant to her."

Then it was back to business and Rottweiler Lucinda. A week before the election she pulled a publicity stunt by rushing down to the 'Rumble in Ranelagh' with a poster of her own when she heard the Greens' John Gormley and the PDs' Michael McDowell were having a face-off.

The blonde was back.

A casual observer might assume that qualified barrister Creighton was to the Ballsbridge manor born. Looks-wise, with her smart tailored shift dresses, expensively highlighted hair and penchant for fake tan (less prevalent since her entry to the Dail), she fits into the yummy D4/D6 set.

Her rented apartment -- no negative equity for Lucinda -- is right beside the immaculately landscaped Herbert Park, with Donnybrook Fair on her doorstep.

But Creighton's character was moulded in the west. A former teacher recalls how the teenage Creighton was part of a "memorable" group of around six or eight schoolgirls who mobilised their year into action on various projects.

Creighton was academically gifted and had a finger in every pie -- school musicals, 'People in Need' fundraisers, volleyball. But she came into her own in transition year where she excelled in "thinking outside the box".

In her speech at her alma mater's prize day, she made reference to her old group of tightly knit schoolfriends. Several of the Claremorris posse came to help her leaflet and greet the denizens of Dublin South East in her election campaign and one flew in from London to be with her on the day she became the youngest member of the 30th Dail. The others held a special celebration for her in Claremorris shortly afterwards.

If it is the case that she is shaping up to be a future leadership candidate -- one TD claimed this week that she is not a teamplayer -- then she is certainly mindful to keep the grassroots watered.

This ability to rally the troops has been repeated on Creighton's adopted home ground: supporters jokingly refer to her gang of 'Ranelagh Rangers', friends she cultivated from the ranks of Young Fine Gael, which she joined in her first year of studying law at Trinity College Dublin in 1998.

Her parents, John and Mary, were not overtly involved in politics but she and her sister Niamh were encouraged to debate the issues of the day at the family dinner table.

Tellingly, she says her most memorable moment from college was not any student high-jinks but her involvement in the "emotional" abortion referendum campaign in 2002.

No wonder then that Enda Kenny wound her up at last week's parliamentary meeting by reminding her that certain newspapers had a habit of alluding to her young blonde charms over her political credentials in the run-up to '07. This is a woman who takes herself very seriously.

She alludes in a Trinity alumni magazine to "raucous Phil and Hist parties", although she wasn't a debater herself (surprising news, no doubt, to Fiona O'Malley, John Gormley, Declan Ganley and Sean Dunne, who are among the many to have experienced a Lucinda tongue-lashing).

If she learned to love talking for a living somewhere along the way, it was in New York where she worked in 2003, first as a paralegal, and then as an attorney-at-law. It decided her on a stint at King's Inns in Dublin: she qualified as a barrister here in 2005.

She supports Mayo football and Leinster rugby -- keeping a foot in both camps, as ever -- and has fulfilled her sporty tag in school, horseriding in Co Kildare at weekends and running the Women's Mini Marathon last June. She has even managed to make a little room for romance with FG Senator Paul Bradford, 16 years her elder, who she was seen stepping out with late last year.

Those in the Lucinda camp are eager to say that she is fun and sociable and intensely loyal (here's hoping, Enda), while 'ambitious' is the word that pops up most frequently among rivals' descriptions. Whether one will subsume the other remains to be seen.

Certainly, when she, Enda Kenny and that other FG young gun Leo Varadkar accepted -- inadvisedly, some might say -- an invitation to the Sunday Independent magazine's Christmas party last year alongside a bunch of models and faces-about-town, she seemed to battle with the two sides of herself.

While she spoke of Leonard Cohen gigs and kissing Robert Downey Jr under the mistletoe, she never quite let go. While Enda waxed lyrical about the Mayo football team, Lucinda got in digs about Gerry Ryan's autobiography ("not my cup of tea"), the Budget ("bluster and back-tracking") and Taoiseach Brian Cowen ("he needs to eat some humble pie").

"The thing with Lucinda is, she never switches off. She gives what she's doing all of her focus, all of the time," says a Dublin South East observer.

The question is: what exactly is Lucinda focused on next

[quincytwo]

Have you seen the relationship between the city council/county council and Bus Eireann. They don't listen in the slightest. To get Bus Eireann to listen at all, it has to be done up in Dublin.

I strongly doubt McGrath did anything at all, but to say that it wouldn't be in his remit is just plain wrong.

Now, why do you feel the need to attack me every time you criticise me. Imply I'm a Green supporter (Wrong). Imply I'm a councillor (Wrong). If you like I could accuse you of being a Socialist/Sinn Fein troll. God knows, I can't work out what your agenda is, but they're the only two parties I haven't seen you criticise, so if you're trying to do anything constructive...

First in the thread I put it that if enquiries were to made, then I didnt see why his bother who is a councillor wouldnt have done it as it is very much an issue for a local level politician - what is the point of councillors if they dont do this type of work ?
Now, why do you feel the need to attack me every time you criticise me.
Well this is fairly typical for a school yard bully ! You dish it out but you cant take it !
You decided to start slagging me off personally because you dont like my comments about politicians and when I react you cry like a little baby !
Apparently I ' hate ' politicians but you are ' constructive '.

As you sow, so shall you reap !
You may not like it, but this is a free country.

[johnmcork]

the indo seems to be your only source. the indo hates her and also has a problem with fine gael since they awarded the second mobile phone license to desmond instead of sir tony. that's a fact.

calling creighton a thatcherite is disingenuous.
the pds were the only real thatcherite party in ireland.
when gannon whored himself around amongst the parties and was finally accepted by enda kenny, creighton stood up to him about that outragous decision to the point that she fired fucks at him accross the table.

this colleen is alright in my book

[quincytwo]

the indo seems to be your only source. the indo hates her and also has a problem with fine gael since they awarded the second mobile phone license to desmond instead of sir tony. that's a fact.

calling creighton a thatcherite is disingenuous.
the pds were the only real thatcherite party in ireland.
when gannon whored himself around amongst the parties and was finally accepted by enda kenny, creighton stood up to him about that outragous decision to the point that she fired fucks at him accross the table.

this colleen is alright in my book
No the Indo is not my only source, I have actually used Creighton's own website as well. The reason why the Indo is a useful resource is because it is quite easy to research itmes on it unlike say the Ir Times which charges for research on past issues.
I have avoided sites like Indymedia, mostly because while it has some interesting comments on Creighton and her constituents, I am not sure how reliable they are and they werent relevant to the main theme of the thread which is really looking at a pattern of objections to construction projects and whether they have implications nationally for the image of the FG party.
Funny that is an aspect that everyone simply ignored - the majority of posters simply decided to treat the thread as if it was solely an attack on the TD - but the thread poster has no control over a thread once it is posted.
There is no reason, I Imagine, that I may not find issues on which I agree with Creighton's views on and I would be quite happy to post accordingly.

It is par for the course to a number of members to treat my threads as an opportunity to attack me personally

For example, this is a number of comments that JD has posted about me :


I've had to defend Michael McGrath, who I think is a charlatan, only in politics for his own personal agrandissement. But again, your attack on him was unfair
It's a skill of his.

When he attacks the Greens, he does so with such intemperate language that even people who'd agree with his point won't touch the thread, while those who disagree say nothing,...

What we know is that in order of hatred, his politics go:
Dan Boyle
Fine Gael
Fianna Fail

There has been no comment passed on Labour, Sinn Fein, the Socialists or Worker's Party that I can... In fairness, the gang laws are way more depressing.

As are quincytwo's posts in the current affairs forum.


The how long til quincytwo creates another Dan Boyle thread sweepstake.
I say less than 10 minutes

I've a conspiracy theory on all this. quincytwo is Dan Boyle.
He's pretending to be a loon who is attacking him to drum up a sympathy vote and make all his opponents look like whackos...

[quincytwo]

the indo seems to be your only source. the indo hates her and also has a problem with fine gael since they awarded the second mobile phone license to desmond instead of sir tony. that's a fact.

calling creighton a thatcherite is disingenuous.
the pds were the only real thatcherite party in ireland.
when gannon whored himself around amongst the parties and was finally accepted by enda kenny, creighton stood up to him about that outragous decision to the point that she fired fucks at him accross the table.




CIF sees 100,000 more job losses
Employment in the construction industry has fallen by 200,000 over the last two years and will fall by a further 100,000 by the end of next year
is alright in my bookIs there anyone in FG who cares about 200,000 to 300,000 unemployed building workers ?

They cant all be ' poor little rich kids' can they ?

[daithi81]

Retrain, stupid. There are too many of you. You swear that once you choose one profession, you can never leave.

:rolleyes:

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

[/B]Is there anyone in FG who cares about 200,000 to 300,000 unemployed building workers ?

They cant all be ' poor little rich kids' can they ?

Is there anyone in the country, besides construction workers themselves, who care about this? I can't remember anyone shedding a tear when the IT industry went tits-up.

[daithi81]

Is there anyone in the country, besides construction workers themselves, who care about this? I can't remember anyone shedding a tear when the IT industry went tits-up.

Repped. Ditto all the Electronic techs/engs who will lose their jobs once Dell and the likes leave.

Poor trowel-heads...

[quincytwo]

Is there anyone in the country, besides construction workers themselves, who care about this? I can't remember anyone shedding a tear when the IT industry went tits-up.

Has anyone told Intel that they have gone ' tits up ' in Ireland ?

[Proinsias]

Repped. Ditto all the Electronic techs/engs who will lose their jobs once Dell and the likes leave.

Poor trowel-heads...

*Waves from England*

Huge number of elec engers left in the 2001-2003 time too, there was absolutely nothing going in Ireland. One of the best options at the time was Analog Device in Limerick at €22k a year.

Fuck that.

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

Has anyone told Intel that they have gone ' tits up ' in Ireland ?

Of course, you're right, Intel employs 100% of Ireland's CS and EE graduates.

[quincytwo]

Quote from IDA website about It presence in Ireland:

Seven of the world’s top ten ICT companies have operations in Ireland along with many other leading names in the sector.
CASE STUDYFounded in 1965 Analog Devices Inc. are world leaders in high performance signal processing and are synonymous with high performance and innovation among electronics manufacturers. Their diverse product portfolio covers Entertainment and Media, Industry and Aerospace, Medical Technology, Wireless and Automobiles Applications.
Intel is the world’s largest semiconductor chip maker and has a 75% share of the microprocessor market. The company’s largest customers are Dell and Hewlett Packard. Worldwide, Intel employs 94,000 people and includes wafer fabrication facilities in Ireland, Arizona, Oregon, New Mexico, California, Massachusetts and a Chinese operation currently under construction.
CASE STUDYCASE STUDYFounded in 1972, SAP is the world’s leading provider of business software and is a true industry leader with a rich history of innovation and growth. SAP’s vision is for companies of all sizes to become best-run in business. The company has Sales and Development locations in 50 countries and services customers in 120 countries worldwide.
Hewlett-Packard is a major presence in Ireland employing over 4,000 people in a variety of activities - manufacturing, software development, R&D, sales and marketing. The Inkjet Manufacturing Operation (DIMO) is one of three inkjet manufacturing facilities worldwide for Hewlett-Packard’s Imaging and Printing Group.
Renishaw Ireland was established in 1981 to manufacture a limited range of small touch trigger probes. Building on the success of the initial operation the Irish facility has developed significantly in size and capability. More recently it has been gearing itself up to take on development and production for a range of products from the company’s healthcare portfolio while continuing to

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

Quote from IDA website about It presence in Ireland:

And what does that add to the conversation? There are IT companies in Ireland? I could have told you that. Doesn't mean they're constantly hiring though. How many CS/EE/BIS grads end up abroad, quincytwo?

[quincytwo]

And what does that add to the conversation? There are IT companies in Ireland? I could have told you that. Doesn't mean they're constantly hiring though. How many CS/EE/BIS grads end up abroad, quincytwo?

Of course, you're right, Intel employs 100% of Ireland's CS and EE graduates.
__________________
The world doesnt only revolve around Intel

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

The world doesnt only revolve around Intel

You brought them up. Presumably because they had a good quarter last time round. Pity you left out all the other quarterly reports that came out before that.

[Proinsias]

Quote from IDA website about It presence in Ireland:

Jesus.

Intel, fair enough, they do some good work in Ireland, but Renishaw?

They've got 2,000 employees worldwide. They seem like a grand company, but they're not exactly big.

SAP?

From: http://www.sap.com/uk/ireland/index.epx

"SAP Ireland is focused on Sales and Customer Support".

As I said before, Analog Devices aren't exactly renouned for splashing the cash and having worked for them in Cork (approx 20 employees, whoop-de-fucking-do), the cutting edge design is not done in Ireland. Now things might have changed in the time since I left, admittedly a long time ago, but I've had regular contact with Limerick as a customer. They do some excellent work there on refining analogue to digital converters and have moved on to video converters, but the stuff that Analog is pinning it's future on, such as MEMS is generally not done in their plant in Ireland. I believe they do much of the research in this area in collaberation with UCC.

[quincytwo]

Jesus.

Intel, fair enough, they do some good work in Ireland, but Renishaw?

They've got 2,000 employees worldwide. They seem like a grand company, but they're not exactly big.

SAP?

From: http://www.sap.com/uk/ireland/index.epx

"SAP Ireland is focused on Sales and Customer Support".

As I said before, Analog Devices aren't exactly renouned for splashing the cash and having worked for them in Cork (approx 20 employees, whoop-de-fucking-do), the cutting edge design is not done in Ireland. Now things might have changed in the time since I left, admittedly a long time ago, but I've had regular contact with Limerick as a customer. They do some excellent work there on refining analogue to digital converters and have moved on to video converters, but the stuff that Analog is pinning it's future on, such as MEMS is generally not done in their plant in Ireland. I believe they do much of the research in this area in collaberation with UCC.

I am not responsible for the IDA site, I only quoted it !

[quincytwo]

In fariness to Fg, I shouldnt tar them all as ' anti construction' as I am sure people like Simon Coveney wouldnt necessarily agree wtih her.
His father, Hugh Coveney, a former FG TD and Minister, ran a very successful business in the construction related area - was he a Quantity Surveyor ? - and I am sure he would have taken a jaundiced view of NIMBYs.

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

Has anyone told Intel that they have gone ' tits up ' in Ireland ?

Unlucky eh?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0722/intel.html

[quincytwo]

Unlucky eh?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0722/intel.html

294 out of how many ?
Sounds like a tidying up operation.
When a building site employing that many people closes or finishes up, it is no big drama !

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

294 out of how many ?
Sounds like a tidying up operation.
When a building site employing that many people closes or finishes up, it is no big drama !

ya, no drama unless it's construction workers being laid off!

[quincytwo]

ya, no drama unless it's construction workers being laid off!

Well in fairness they did wait until 200,000 of them were laid off - thats more than the population of Cork.

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

Well in fairness they did wait until 200,000 of them were laid off - thats more than the population of Cork.

I think that was part of the problem.