The Most Elitist Sport Of Them All.

[CORKBHOY]

We need a poll.

[Cliff Barnes]

Le Grand Casino Monte Carlo roulette wheel with the Saudi Princes and the Russian Oligarchs most weekends around now ?

Do I win a prize ?

[CORKBHOY]

Le Grand Casino Monte Carlo roulette wheel with the Saudi Princes and the Russian Oligarchs most weekends around now ?

Do I win a prize ?

Can you really class roulette as a sport though?

[johnmcork]

people have their preconceptions about rugby, but squash?? ffs
what about soccer with £80 to get into a premiership game and more money to watch it on the box, i'd say that was fairly exclusive

[marco 2005]

how can rugby be in this list?

[Cliff Barnes]

Can you really class roulette as a sport though?

Lazy mans golf I'd say but with serious high stakes for the fun of it.

Sure horse racing is only a sport for the horses really and hardly a sport now is it.

[jd26]

Polo

[xvis]

Polo's worth a shout.

[CORKBHOY]

Lazy mans golf I'd say but with serious high stakes for the fun of it.

Sure horse racing is only a sport for the horses really and hardly a sport now is it.

Horse racing isn't on the list.

[CORKBHOY]

how can rugby be in this list?

Cos Dave Hannigan says so.

[jd26]

Of the ones on the list, sailing and showjumping

The costs of getting involved are so high, it's only open to rich people.

Other sports may be more popular with the rich, but you will find less well off people who play them too.

Also, it depends on the area. Rugby and cricket may have the reputation in Ireland, but go to South Wales for rugby or Lancashire and Yorkshire for cricket and you'll find a different story.

[CORKBHOY]

people have their preconceptions about rugby, but squash?? ffs
what about soccer with £80 to get into a premiership game and more money to watch it on the box, i'd say that was fairly exclusive

That's just the Premiership pulling the wool over people's eyes and succeeding with ease. In Spain, Italy, Germany and a few more big European leagues you'll gain entry into league games for €20-€30. I paid €22 to see Celtic play Milan in San Siro a few years back in the Champions League.

[How bad boy]

Of the ones on the list, sailing and showjumping

The costs of getting involved are so high, it's only open to rich people.

Other sports may be more popular with the rich, but you will find less well off people who play them too.

Also, it depends on the area. Rugby and cricket may have the reputation in Ireland, but go to South Wales for rugby or Lancashire and Yorkshire for cricket and you'll find a different story.
You could say probably the same for polo in the stans (countries), but it was my first thought on the matter. The money in that sport is astounding.

Although maybe elephant polo might be even more elitist...

[Lapsy Pa]

Croquet(sp?) out the back garden of buckingham palace with will and harry

[daithi81]

Rogby.

[Cliff Barnes]

Rogby.

Nah - when you see guys in Blackpool wearing Munster and Ireland rugby shirts.

Polo,Showjumping and Sailing for the sheer ammount of grade you have to have to even take part etc

[How bad boy]

Nah - when you see guys in Blackpool wearing Munster and Ireland rugby shirts.

Polo,Showjumping and Sailing for the sheer ammount of grade you have to have to even take part etcDepends on what you do, TBH. The missus used to do quite a bit of sailing, the vast majority of which was tipping around a local resevoir in a dinghy. Not quite sipping champers on a yacht.

[Rebelred]

Depends on what you do, TBH. The missus used to do quite a bit of sailing, the vast majority of which was tipping around a local resevoir in a dinghy. Not quite sipping champers on a yacht.
I think it's more Sailing with your yacht that you keep in Crossers that he has in mind here though.

[Coin]

Depends on what you do, TBH. The missus used to do quite a bit of sailing, the vast majority of which was tipping around a local resevoir in a dinghy. Not quite sipping champers on a yacht.
I reckon the definition here should be to take part in a sport in a competitive structure.

[POL]

In Ireland its certainly rugby

[How bad boy]

I think it's more Sailing with your yacht that you keep in Crossers that he has in mind here though.
I don't have a yacht.

I barely have a bicycle, not to mind a yacht.
I reckon the definition here should be to take part in a sport in a competitive structure.
They do dinghy races...

[AmadeusDC]

After living here for a few years I'd have to say that Lacrosse is worthy of a spot on the list. Only played seriously in a handful of places and all the best players know each other and come from the best/most expensive private schools. Surely the winner has to be Polo though. -AmadeusDC-

[Lamps]

Rugby in the lead

[mightyquark]

I remember that squash used to be a real elitist game years back..if you were a member of a squash club you were hob knobbing with the elite...

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Sailing - hooray henry bastards

[How bad boy]

Rugby in the lead

Which says it all really, doesn't it?

Both of us can respond yes to that and still keep our individual yet opposing points of views. Which is nice.

[HappyMonday83]

As far as ireland is concerned it has to be rugby. Out of that list the only ones i've never tried are squash and rowing. While you get snobby pricks in every sport rugby seems to have them in spades.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

As far as ireland is concerned it has to be rugby. Out of that list the only ones i've never tried are squash and rowing. While you get snobby pricks in every sport rugby seems to have them in spades.

Many snobby fuckers in your team?

[How bad boy]

As far as ireland is concerned it has to be rugby. Out of that list the only ones i've never tried are squash and rowing. While you get snobby pricks in every sport rugby seems to have them in spades.
Elitist prick.

[HappyMonday83]

Many snobby fuckers in your team?

There are a few fuckers, but none of them are snobby. Our teams is made up of people from every walk of life. From doctors to the unemployed. There are plenty of down to earth teams in ireland. But the higher you go up the food than the more ignorance you find.

[HappyMonday83]

Elitist prick.

Get back to work you pleb.

[How bad boy]

Get back to work you pleb.
I would if I had a job.

But then again, snobby fuckers like yourself who play rugby wouldn't give a shit about things like that.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

There are a few fuckers, but none of them are snobby. Our teams is made up of people from every walk of life. From doctors to the unemployed. There are plenty of down to earth teams in ireland. But the higher you go up the food than the more ignorance you find.

Here we go - debate over.

You have described the vast majority of rugby players in this country and you still voted for it to be the most elitist sport.

In fairness like lets be a bit fair and honest in this one lads.

[HappyMonday83]

I would if I had a job.

But then again, snobby fuckers like yourself who play rugby wouldn't give a shit about things like that.

I give a shit that you're sponging my tax money.

[HappyMonday83]

Here we go - debate over.

You have described the vast majority of rugby players in this country and you still voted for it to be the most elitist sport.

In fairness like lets be a bit fair and honest in this one lads.

It is the most elitist sport. What other sport in the country would see you snubbed because of the team you play for?

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

It is the most elitist sport. What other sport in the country would see you snubbed because of the team you play for?

wha'cha mean? How do you get snubbed?

You go out with your team and play other teams and the most successful will win the leage be promoted etc and poorest get relegated.

Is there some end of year ball that Charleville dont get invited too for some reason?

[How bad boy]

I give a shit that you're sponging my tax money.I sponge nobody's tax money.

Why don't you go enjoy a few GnTs with your other wannabe west brit buddies down the Charleville club house and have a good snigger at the honest, common Irish man.

You make me sick.

[How bad boy]

wha'cha mean? How do you get snubbed?

You go out with your team and play other teams and the most successful will win the leage be promoted etc and poorest get relegated.

Is there some end of year ball that Charleville dont get invited too for some reason?

I bet he's concerned his car doesn't match the Lexuses of the other chaps in the club car park.

[HappyMonday83]

wha'cha mean? How do you get snubbed?

You go out with your team and play other teams and the most successful will win the leage be promoted etc and poorest get relegated.

Is there some end of year ball that Charleville dont get invited too for some reason?

If you're not from one of the traditional rugby playing schools then you'll never get in with the old boys network.

[HappyMonday83]

I sponge nobody's tax money.

Why don't you go enjoy a few GnTs with your other wannabe west brit buddies down the Charleville club house and have a good snigger at the honest, common Irish man.

You make me sick.

Here's a fiver, go buy yourself some spuds paddy.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

If you're not from one of the traditional rugby playing schools then you'll never get in with the old boys network.

Is this about 'old boys networks' or rugby?

the 'old boys' dont decide who wins rugby matches - it is the team. There is no snubbing except mayve a bit of an inferiority complex which some people may have.
If i want to play rugby tomorrow i go to my local team and if i am good enough i get to play. If i am very good they might offer me money to stay with them.

This 'snubbing' stuff is a pure red herring from you.

[How bad boy]

Here's a fiver, go buy yourself some spuds paddy.

Charity?

Your chums at Charlie won't thank you for promoting that. Gives commoners ideas.

[HappyMonday83]

Is this about 'old boys networks' or rugby?

the 'old boys' dont decide who wins rugby matches - it is the team. There is no snubbing except mayve a bit of an inferiority complex which some people may have.
If i want to play rugby tomorrow i go to my local team and if i am good enough i get to play. If i am very good they might offer me money to stay with them.

This 'snubbing' stuff is a pure red herring from you.

Were not talking about who wins and loses matches. We're talking about elitism. The old boys network has everything to do with it.

[HappyMonday83]

Charity?

Your chums at Charlie won't thank you for promoting that. Gives commoners ideas.

Charity prevents the workers from getting ideas.

[POL]

some fools on here think wearing a Munstershire Jersey gains them entry to the old boys network

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Were not talking about who wins and loses matches. We're talking about elitism. The old boys network has everything to do with it.

Please explain how it effects rugby players and teams? Serious question.

[How bad boy]

some fools on here think wearing a Munstershire Jersey gains them entry to the old boys network
No school tie, no in?

[How bad boy]

Please explain how it effects rugby players and teams? Serious question.
Don't bother.
They're on a loop.

[POL]

No school tie, no in?read the post

[HappyMonday83]

Please explain how it effects rugby players and teams? Serious question.

Isn't it obvious. They look out for their own. It's not uncommon to see a player advance because of who he is.
The poll speaks for itself.

[POL]

the whole inner struggle of the bandwagoneer is again exemplified by this thread, the cannot get it into their head that they will never be accepted by the inner group of rugby, they cannot accept they are just pawns in the game, being used for their money

[daithi81]

the whole inner struggle of the bandwagoneer is again exemplified by this thread, the cannot get it into their head that they will never be accepted by the inner group of rugby, they cannot accept they are just pawns in the game, being used for their money

Repped.

[POL]

The crave acceptance, yet they can never gain acceptance

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Isn't it obvious. They look out for their own. It's not uncommon to see a player advance because of who he is.
The poll speaks for itself.

No its not obvious - you are contradicting yourself and the fact that you play the sport which you deem the most elitist is contradiction again.

Where does the player advance to if he is acceptable by the 'old boys network'? And why does this not happen with your team which you think is the exception to your rule?

[HappyMonday83]

No its not obvious - you are contradicting yourself and the fact that you play the sport which you deem the most elitist is contradiction again.

Where does the player advance to if he is acceptable by the 'old boys network'? And why does this not happen with your team which you think is the exception to your rule?

I play rugby because I enjoy the game.

There are plenty of players who've gotten ahead because of their connections. If memory serves, I believe that proinsias, the king of the jocks once regaled us with a tale of a mr. frank murphy who got a contract because of who he was despite not being the best scrum half at the club.

[How bad boy]

the whole inner struggle of the bandwagoneer is again exemplified by this thread, the cannot get it into their head that they will never be accepted by the inner group of rugby, they cannot accept they are just pawns in the game, being used for their moneyI'm in the inner group, screw the rest of ye.

It's lovely in here, all snobbish and elitist.

Surprising lack of money though.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

I play rugby because I enjoy the game.

There are plenty of players who've gotten ahead because of their connections. If memory serves, I believe that proinsias, the king of the jocks once regaled us with a tale of a mr. frank murphy who got a contract because of who he was despite not being the best scrum half at the club.


I know plenty of tales of guys in soccer and GAA teams who were picked because of who there dad or uncle is - its a fact of life in all amateur sport.

Anyway - its enlightening to see that you think that rugby is an elitist sport except of course your own team is made up of good sorts (and all kinds of backgrounds no less).

Some small minded and backward attitude there lad - well done.

[How bad boy]

I play rugby because I enjoy the game.

There are plenty of players who've gotten ahead because of their connections. If memory serves, I believe that proinsias, the king of the jocks once regaled us with a tale of a mr. frank murphy who got a contract because of who he was despite not being the best scrum half at the club.Well that's completely wrong.

I know very little about Mr. Frank Murphy and what little I do know completely contradicts what you've said.

[Rebel Yell]

Has to be sailing ...some of the tossers who turn up around Cork for the week in Crosser every year confirm this in my view...

[HappyMonday83]

I know plenty of tales of guys in soccer and GAA teams who were picked because of who there dad or uncle is - its a fact of life in all amateur sport.

Anyway - its enlightening to see that you think that rugby is an elitist sport except of course your own team is made up of good sorts (and all kinds of backgrounds no less).

Some small minded and backward attitude there lad - well done.
I've said already that there are these kind of people in every sport. But rugby has more than most. The poll confirms this, but I suppose everyone is wrong except you.

Well that's completely wrong.

I know very little about Mr. Frank Murphy and what little I do know completely contradicts what you've said.
You'll have to ask prionsias for the details.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

I've said already that there are these kind of people in every sport. But rugby has more than most. The poll confirms this, but I suppose everyone is wrong except you.



But not on your team...

I get it alright*

*it being that you are full of shit and have little way to get out of this one*

[johnmcork]

christy ring used to play squash in the sixties.
if ye think christy was elitist.....??????

anyway, none of these are as elitist as someone who can afford to sit on their arse in front of the internet for half their life, that's some elite shit right there.££££££££££££££ £££££££

the golfers closed off the old head of kinsale to the irish public and only got 2 votes here, that's some elite shit.
only got 2 votes here........
begs the question......
what time you tee off lamps????

[CORKBHOY]

christy ring used to play squash in the sixties.
if ye think christy was elitist.....??????

anyway, none of these are as elitist as someone who can afford to sit on their arse in front of the internet for half their life, that's some elite shit right there.££££££££££££££ £££££££

INTERNETING is the sport of the people.

[POL]

INTERNETTING is the opium of the people

[How bad boy]

I've said already that there are these kind of people in every sport. But rugby has more than most. The poll confirms this, but I suppose everyone is wrong except you.


You'll have to ask prionsias for the details.
He'll agree alright.

There was something about Tomas O'Leary, but it was more questioning the judgement of the selectors by one of his teammates at Dolphin, rather than suggesting there was any favourtism based on his membership of any old boy's club.

Besides, the guy complaining was a solicitor with the sort of rugby schools connection that was so thick you'd have to cut it with a knife.

[POL]

What about the bizzare rituals in rugby?

[Rebelred]

I don't have a yacht.

I barely have a bicycle, not to mind a yacht.

They do dinghy races...

didn't mean you specifically HBB. But you know the type, Cork week is the highlight of the year, and some other week down in Schull in August, I'm told it's a very elitest pursuit at those events.

[Rebelred]

christy ring used to play squash in the sixties.
if ye think christy was elitist.....??????

anyway, none of these are as elitist as someone who can afford to sit on their arse in front of the internet for half their life, that's some elite shit right there.££££££££££££££ £££££££

the golfers closed off the old head of kinsale to the irish public and only got 2 votes here, that's some elite shit.
only got 2 votes here........
begs the question......
what time you tee off lamps????

indeed he did. In fact, many GAA players used to play squash and handball throughout the winter months when the GAA was finished. Some GAA clubs have squash courts still, the Barrs for example.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

He'll agree alright.

There was something about Tomas O'Leary, but it was more questioning the judgement of the selectors by one of his teammates at Dolphin, rather than suggesting there was any favourtism based on his membership of any old boy's club.

Besides, the guy complaining was a solicitor with the sort of rugby schools connection that was so thick you'd have to cut it with a knife.

Christ, he wont know what to make of that development...

[marco 2005]

has to be Polo.

Elitism would implement that middle or lower class people wouldnt be able to access it.

ANYONE can play rugby and join a club, origins, backgrounds and connections dont matter.

Ireland must be very different to France for example where rugby wouldnt have its place on the list as played by the people.

I doubt the same applies to Polo.

[How bad boy]

What about the bizzare rituals in rugby?
What bizzare rituals?

The oddest ritual I've been involved in with rugby over the past 20 years (and 9 clubs) has been the kangaroo courts at UCC and they were relatively tame. Mostly just drinking lots and certainly not involving bodily fluids, S&M, vasaline or, well, anything else.
didn't mean you specifically HBB. But you know the type, Cork week is the highlight of the year, and some other week down in Schull in August, I'm told it's a very elitest pursuit at those events.
I've been sailing once, I'm not going to defend sailing. Just thought I'd point out the other side of it.
Christ, he wont know what to make of that development...
Ignore it, as always.

[HappyMonday83]

But not on your team...

I get it alright*

*it being that you are full of shit and have little way to get out of this one*

What in the name of god are you talking about? I play for charleville like, what kind of class snobbery do you think goes on here?

[Carmona]

I've said already that there are these kind of people in every sport. But rugby has more than most. The poll confirms this, but I suppose everyone is wrong except you.


You'll have to ask prionsias for the details.

Hah, hah!! You're some toss pot. PRoC Sports Forum Poll now accepted as TRUTH! "But Your Honourship, I seen it in the Sports Forum"

I'd be here for a long time if I named the people I know in GAA who've got jobs they probably wouldn't have got if they'd been involved in soccer or no sport at all. 3 or 4 in my family and plenty of other cases you'd hear about. No real harm done, nice blokes and doing ok in their jobs.

[HappyMonday83]

Hah, hah!! You're some toss pot. PRoC Sports Forum Poll now accepted as TRUTH! "But Your Honourship, I seen it in the Sports Forum"

I'd be here for a long time if I named the people I know in GAA who've got jobs they probably wouldn't have got if they'd been involved in soccer or no sport at all. 3 or 4 in my family and plenty of other cases you'd hear about. No real harm done, nice blokes and doing ok in their jobs.

Seriously, even the dogs on the street are aware of the old boys network that in irish rugby. If you've got the connections you can kill a person and get away with it. Mick Galway will even come to your trial and tell everyone what a nice guy you are.

[Carmona]

Seriously, even the dogs on the street are aware of the old boys network that in irish rugby. If you've got the connections you can kill a person and get away with it. Mick Galway will even come to your trial and tell everyone what a nice guy you are.

Never said there wasn't an old boys' network.

[CORKBHOY]

Looks like we're agreed on Rugby so, ya?

[BangorFeen]

Looks like we're agreed on Rugby so, ya?
The SFI have. But then, no surprises there.

HM's not really helped yeer case mind.

[Stacky]

I have a bigger problem with the crowd who sail to Rugby matches.

[CORKBHOY]

The SFI have. But then, no surprises there.

HM's not really helped yeer case mind.

Lets get facts straight here. Only 3 or 4 SFI members (I'm not even fully sure who exactly make up the SFI) voted Rugby. The vast majority we're individual votes from a across the board.

[Edmund Blackwater]

I've done showjumping. Plenty of farmer's kids involved in it. Hardly elite.
Played squash since I was 5 in the local community centre. Membership cost 1 pound per annum.
Have never done rowing. Don't know anyone that does it.
Sailing can be done by anyone. Only expensive if you want to buy a boat.
Golf - one off couple of hundred for clubs and shoes. Green fees 20-50 quid a pop. Expensive enough I suppose, but 20-50 quid for four hours works out pretty well. Hardly a sport though.
Hockey is for girls who aren't lesbian enough to play rogby.
Cricket. I played cricket as a young lad. Shit, boring game. Never cost a penny.
Tennis. Also played alot as a young fella, at least when Wimbledon was on. 20 quid got you a racquet, a quid got you 4 balls and you were away.
Rogby. 200 quid for the sunglasses for the top of your head. 80 quid for the bandwagon jersey x2, 70,000 for mommy's 4x4, 10,000pa for the quentin school, untold money on jumpers with collars, 500 quid for elocution, 700 quid pa on hair gel, 3000p.a. for insurance on mommy's 4x4, 20,000 a year to keep a barrister on retainer for when you need to be above the law, 600 quid a year on sunbeds, 1.75 to get your paper with the rules of rugby freebie


I'm undecided.

[ho chi feen]

I can't believe neither hunting nor Polo have made this list.

[JackTorrence]

Gotta be showjumping. Those horses cost an arm and a leg. Plus i've never met someone who has done it, watched it or even knows anything about it.

[Lee Bushwacker]

Hah, hah!! You're some toss pot. PRoC Sports Forum Poll now accepted as TRUTH! "But Your Honourship, I seen it in the Sports Forum"

I'd be here for a long time if I named the people I know in GAA who've got jobs they probably wouldn't have got if they'd been involved in soccer or no sport at all. 3 or 4 in my family and plenty of other cases you'd hear about. No real harm done, nice blokes and doing ok in their jobs.

:cool:
I've no problem with GAA people getting jobs in banks, insurance etc. if they are qualified or have done sufficiently well in The Leaving. The days when GAA players were normally farmers, teachers or tradesmen are long gone.
I do know of one well-known Cork GAA player who got into a sector where Maths are important. This guy failed lower-level Maths in The Leaving.
"Pull" is a part of life in any small or provincial city.

[tim the trip]

I've done showjumping. Plenty of farmer's kids involved in it. Hardly elite.
Played squash since I was 5 in the local community centre. Membership cost 1 pound per annum.
Have never done rowing. Don't know anyone that does it.
Sailing can be done by anyone. Only expensive if you want to buy a boat.
Golf - one off couple of hundred for clubs and shoes. Green fees 20-50 quid a pop. Expensive enough I suppose, but 20-50 quid for four hours works out pretty well. Hardly a sport though.
Hockey is for girls who aren't lesbian enough to play rogby.
Cricket. I played cricket as a young lad. Shit, boring game. Never cost a penny.
Tennis. Also played alot as a young fella, at least when Wimbledon was on. 20 quid got you a racquet, a quid got you 4 balls and you were away.
Rogby. 200 quid for the sunglasses for the top of your head. 80 quid for the bandwagon jersey x2, 70,000 for mommy's 4x4, 10,000pa for the quentin school, untold money on jumpers with collars, 500 quid for elocution, 700 quid pa on hair gel, 3000p.a. for insurance on mommy's 4x4, 20,000 a year to keep a barrister on retainer for when you need to be above the law, 600 quid a year on sunbeds, 1.75 to get your paper with the rules of rugby freebie


I'm undecided.

id say any horse you have ridden looked vaguely dissapointed,Backpas sage.
tennis? sure all the earls kids play that.

[simon says]

Rugby? Elitist? Head down to where Thomand RFC play in Limerick and see if you still have the same opinion

[raZor]

Looks like Lamps has been double dipping on the vote count. Poor show.

[Blue_Corpse]

It's got to be Polo!
Sure it only allows people play with their right-hand!