Bravo Mr. Hannigan.

[KD Langer]

excellent article in tonights echo. cuts through all the hype about the lions tour (and rugby in general)and exposes it for what it is.


"the best of a small minority of ireland, england,wales and scotland taking on the best of a small minority of south africa".

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

excellent article in tonights echo. cuts through all the hype about the lions tour (and rugby in general)and exposes it for what it is.


"the best of a small minority of ireland, england,wales and scotland taking on the best of a small minority of south africa".

Sounds insightful and cutting edge...

[Jim Comic]

it's funny coz it's true

[Lamps]

Must get the echo later

[Cliff Barnes]

excellent article in tonights echo. cuts through all the hype about the lions tour (and rugby in general)and exposes it for what it is.


"the best of a small minority of ireland, england,wales and scotland taking on the best of a small minority of south africa".

I was in Castlegregory,Co.Ker ry during the second test and wondered where everybody was so I wandered into the pub during the second half and the place was jammed with locals and visitors alike watching the match.

The world has gone mad.

[Cliff Barnes]

Sounds insightful and cutting edge...

Imagine the best players in their rsspective sport taking on the best players in the same sport in a different country ?

That would never catch on.


Wage cuts at the Echo are obviously starting to bite.

[KD Langer]

Sounds insightful and cutting edge...

it's more insightful than most of the bullshit thats written about a clash of the hemispheres, giants clashing and other such nonsense.

[Cliff Barnes]

it's more insightful than most of the bullshit thats written about a clash of the hemispheres, giants clashing and other such nonsense.

Imagine a small few counties in Leinster and Munster competing for the G.A.A.hurling championship every summer under the "All Ireland" banner ?

How mad is that ?

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

it's more insightful than most of the bullshit thats written about a clash of the hemispheres, giants clashing and other such nonsense.

Its the same tired cliche that has been pandied about here with the H Cup etc.
It's the low hanging fruit of journalism.


It is just about spot on 'analysis' in the context of Echo journalism tho.

[Eoin]

Imagine a small few counties in Leinster and Munster competing for the G.A.A.hurling championship every summer under the "All Ireland" banner ?

How mad is that ?

THis place is like fuckign groundhog day.

[Cliff Barnes]

THis place is like fuckign groundhog day.

Afraid so.

Same shite every day.

[Mick Lyons]

I was in Castlegregory,Co.Ker ry during the second test and wondered where everybody was so I wandered into the pub during the second half and the place was jammed with locals and visitors alike watching the match.

The world has gone mad.

I'd say it was like the opening scene of 28 days later on the streets of Castlegregory alright.
You should send your CV to sky sports. :D

[Cliff Barnes]

I'd say it was like the opening scene of 28 days later on the streets of Castlegregory alright.
You should send your CV to sky sports. :D

Have not seen 28 Days later but the ammount of semi-ignorant G.A.A.clad bi-lingual locals roaring for the Lions was a sight or sound that I had not expected in far wesht Kerry

[KD Langer]

Its the same tired cliche that has been pandied about here with the H Cup etc.
It's the low hanging fruit of journalism.


It is just about spot on 'analysis' in the context of Echo journalism tho.

read the article O2 and get back to me on where he's wrong.there's a bit about props where he may be, i don't know, but it's fair to say the rest is spot on.

[Coin]

THis place is like fuckign groundhog day.
Groundhog Day had a happy ending.

[Eoin]

Groundhog Day had a happy ending.

True, this will go on forever.

[Coin]

read the article O2 and get back to me on where he's wrong.there's a bit about props where he may be, i don't know, but it's fair to say the rest is spot on.
You're spot on. If you could just give us a list of countries around the world where any sport has greater than 50% participation rate, we'll all know which contests are genuine international clashes. We can then dismiss the rest as unworthy of attention because they are only being played by a minority in one of the competitors.

[Edmund Blackwater]

You're spot on. If you could just give us a list of countries around the world where any sport has greater than 50% participation rate, we'll all know which contests are genuine international clashes. We can then dismiss the rest as unworthy of attention because they are only being played by a minority in one of the competitors.

Good man coiny. Argue the semantics.
next up, a post on the GAA.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

read the article O2 and get back to me on where he's wrong.there's a bit about props where he may be, i don't know, but it's fair to say the rest is spot on.

I got my fill of analysis in yesterdays papers and the line is now drawn under the Lions tour.

I would not buy an Echo even if they had a page 3 filly for your money. The best part of that was Mutt and Jeff.


I was down in Castlegregory beach just before the off of Test 1 and it was deserted. I dont believe that this had anything to do with an impending Rugby match tho...

[Cliff Barnes]

I got my fill of analysis in yesterdays papers and the line is now drawn under the Lions tour.

I would not buy an Echo even if they had a page 3 filly for your money. The best part of that was Mutt and Jeff.


I was down in Castlegregory beach just before the off of Test 1 and it was deserted. I dont believe that this had anything to do with an impending Rugby match tho...

The beaches down there are always deserted - great spot but quiet beaches

[Edmund Blackwater]

The difference between the English papers summation and the Irish ones is both stark and amusing. The brits seem to be able to distance thmselves somewhat while the Irish papers decided that everyone Arish was fantastic throughout an it should be knighthoods for all.
It seems that no matter how good Stephen Jones plays, he's not to be considered for a knighthood.

[Coogee]

excellent article in tonights echo. cuts through all the hype about the lions tour (and rugby in general)and exposes it for what it is.


"the best of a small minority of ireland, england,wales and scotland taking on the best of a small minority of south africa".

Hardly a minority sport in South Africa now is it....number one sport only rivalled by Cricket with Soccer catching up due to the world cup hype

[Eoin]

Hardly a minority sport in South Africa now is it....number one sport only rivalled by Cricket with Soccer catching up due to the world cup hype

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure football is the most popular sport, as its most popular among the black majority living in the country.

[Mick Lyons]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure football is the most popular sport, as its most popular among the black majority living in the country.

Don't mind them!

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

The beaches down there are always deserted - great spot but quiet beaches

Yup. Hard to get yer hands on an echo in the area tho. Otherwise great part of the planet.

[Edmund Blackwater]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure football is the most popular sport, as its most popular among the black majority living in the country.

They don't count. Majority amongst the ruling classes is taken as read when discusing with rogby types.

[Cliff Barnes]

The difference between the English papers summation and the Irish ones is both stark and amusing. The brits seem to be able to distance thmselves somewhat while the Irish papers decided that everyone Arish was fantastic throughout an it should be knighthoods for all.
It seems that no matter how good Stephen Jones plays, he's not to be considered for a knighthood.

Any linkage to any Irish papers suggesting Knighthoods for players ?

Or just the usual waffle then from you then ?

Thought so.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Don't mind them!

What he said. Them fallas dont count.

[Cliff Barnes]

Yup. Hard to get yer hands on an echo in the area tho. Otherwise great part of the planet.

Thats a plus IMO.

Fantastic largely unspoilt uncommercialised place.

Long may it last.

[Coogee]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure football is the most popular sport, as its most popular among the black majority living in the country.

just going by what the buddy living there was saying...

As a matter of interest do many whites play on the south african soccer team?...When you consider that the springbok squad had 9 balck or coloured players it shows that the game reaches all walks of life in South Africa...habana, jacobs, Pietersen and Beast are all first choice and Nokwe, Nguandne and januaire are all there or thereabouts...you'd have your doubts about the lad who played full back and hooker alright in that politics might be playing a part in their selection

[Coogee]

forgot about the other prop...steenkemp...t hats 10 of em!!!!!

[Edmund Blackwater]

just going by what the buddy living there was saying...

As a matter of interest do many whites play on the south african soccer team?...When you consider that the springbok squad had 9 balck or coloured players it shows that the game reaches all walks of life in South Africa...habana, jacobs, Pietersen and Beast are all first choice and Nokwe, Nguandne and januaire are all there or thereabouts...you'd have your doubts about the lad who played full back and hooker alright in that politics might be playing a part in their selection

Isn't one of them Zimbabwean and another one from somewhere else?
It doesn't reach all walks of lfe. Don't delude yourself. Rigby is the colonial game in sa. Always was.

[Coogee]

Isn't one of them Zimbabwean and another one from somewhere else?
It doesn't reach all walks of lfe. Don't delude yourself. Rigby is the colonial game in sa. Always was.

beast is zimbabwien and im sure there are a few namibians....so you have the english and dutch whites, the blacks and the coulered players...so what walk of life is missing form the rianbow nation that is not repersented in the springbok squad

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Isn't one of them Zimbabwean and another one from somewhere else?
It doesn't reach all walks of lfe. Don't delude yourself. Rigby is the colonial game in sa. Always was.

The beast iz Zimbabwean.

The arguement that rugby is not a highly popular if not most popular sport in RSA is to be ignored.

[Edmund Blackwater]

beast is zimbabwien and im sure there are a few namibians....so you have the english and dutch whites, the blacks and the coulered players...so what walk of life is missing form the rianbow nation that is not repersented in the springbok squad

Your colour doesn't distinguish your walk of life.

[Edmund Blackwater]

The beast iz Zimbabwean.

The arguement that rugby is not a highly popular if not most popular sport in RSA is to be ignored.

You've alreay been told that it isn't the most popular game in SA.
So, hardly been ignored.

Unless you can produce some type of evidence to back up your claim, I contend that you are talking through your hoop.

[Coogee]

Your colour doesn't distinguish your walk of life.

so i suppose all the black lads on the springboks are sons of dentists, doctors and lawyers.

Most of the afrikanner players are farmers sons...hardly high class society

[Edmund Blackwater]

so i suppose all the black lads on the springboks are sons of dentists, doctors and lawyers.

Most of the afrikanner players are farmers sons...hardly high class society

All of the afrikaaner players are decendents of imperialists who made slaves of the indigenous people. Have you ever been to SA? The farmers over there aren't milking one cow out the back for smething to put on the porridge.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

You've alreay been told that it isn't the most popular game in SA.
So, hardly been ignored.

Unless you can produce some type of evidence to back up your claim, I contend that you are talking through your hoop.

Well i did say 'arguement that rugby is not a highly popular if not most popular' actually lad.

So from what i know there is considered to be a 'big 3' of sports in RSA is rugby, cricket and soccer.

Considering that soccer is a relatively young sport and South Africa do not have a particularly good team compared to the history and sucess of the Springboks, i completely stand over my remark.

[Coogee]

All of the afrikaaner players are decendents of imperialists who made slaves of the indigenous people. Have you ever been to SA? The farmers over there aren't milking one cow out the back for smething to put on the porridge.

never been to south africa...know a few south african lads here in London who i play rugby with who grew up on farms and they are fairly common folk..so what about the black lads on the springbok team?...what walk of life do you reckon they came from...poverty or privileged background

[Edmund Blackwater]

Well i did say 'arguement that rugby is not a highly popular if not most popular' actually lad.

So from what i know there is considered to be a 'big 3' of sports in RSA is rugby, cricket and soccer.

Considering that soccer is a relatively young sport and South Africa do not have a particularly good team compared to the history and sucess of the Springboks, i completely stand over my remark.

Not too many blix on the saffer cricket team, so doubt it's astronomically popular amongst them.
A few on the rogby team which is the game of the regime. But let's not fool ourselves that there aren't some rich blix in the country. None of them were tossing a ball of rags around a Joburg ghetto when a few afrikaaners frsh from raping saw this and recommended the kid to the local rogger country club.


Soccer is the game in SA amongst the blix who make up most of the population. The fact that they aren't exactly world beaters while rugby team are is hardly a surprise.
Almost every country on earth plays soccer internationally. about 20 teams do in rogby. about 8 of those take is seriously. and 5 of those 8 have a population of under 10 million. It's not hard to be near the summit of world rugby if you give a shite about it. Thankfully, most right thinking places don't as it's shite.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Not too many blix on the saffer cricket team, so doubt it's astronomically popular amongst them.
A few on the rogby team which is the game of the regime. But let's not fool ourselves that there aren't some rich blix in the country. None of them were tossing a ball of rags around a Joburg ghetto when a few afrikaaners frsh from raping saw this and recommended the kid to the local rogger country club.


Soccer is the game in SA amongst the blix who make up most of the population. The fact that they aren't exactly world beaters while rugby team are is hardly a surprise.
Almost every country on earth plays soccer internationally. about 20 teams do in rogby. about 8 of those take is seriously. and 5 of those 8 have a population of under 10 million. It's not hard to be near the summit of world rugby if you give a shite about it. Thankfully, most right thinking places don't as it's shite.


eh yeah and all that...

Im still standing well over my point.

[Mick Lyons]

The black players are all dockers and binmen. :silly:

[Eoin]

The black players are all dockers and binmen. :silly:

From Moyross.

[Coogee]

Not too many blix on the saffer cricket team, so doubt it's astronomically popular amongst them.
A few on the rogby team which is the game of the regime. But let's not fool ourselves that there aren't some rich blix in the country. None of them were tossing a ball of rags around a Joburg ghetto when a few afrikaaners frsh from raping saw this and recommended the kid to the local rogger country club.


Soccer is the game in SA amongst the blix who make up most of the population. The fact that they aren't exactly world beaters while rugby team are is hardly a surprise.
Almost every country on earth plays soccer internationally. about 20 teams do in rogby. about 8 of those take is seriously. and 5 of those 8 have a population of under 10 million. It's not hard to be near the summit of world rugby if you give a shite about it. Thankfully, most right thinking places don't as it's shite.


10 out of a 26 man squad is hardly a few!!!

and are you seriously telling me they are all from rich families

[Lamps]

I never thought I'd see the day when the jocks would be claiming the Afrikaners were common old sods, even going so far as to use the munstershire line from "farming stock".

Seriously, hang the heads in shame.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

I never thought I'd see the day when the jocks would be claiming the Afrikaners were common old sods, even going so far as to use the munstershire line from "farming stock".

Seriously, hang the heads in shame.


Well actually a number of them are farmers or were raised as, Lamps.

Not a great shock if you knew a bit more about the history and background of the country and especially the Afrikaaner heritage.
That is probably not of interest to you tho.

[Lamps]

Well actually a number of them are farmers or were raised as, Lamps.

Not a great shock if you knew a bit more about the history and background of the country and especially the Afrikaner heritage.
That is probably not of interest to you tho.

Enlighten me.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Enlighten me.

Off the top of my head i know that the following were raised on farms and some certainly incl Du Plessis bros are actively managing them:

du Plessis brothers
Schalk Burger
François Steyn

I know that Bakkies Botha lives on an active farm and works there but im not sure if this was his background too.

I suspect that there are quite a few others but i would have to go checking.

[Coogee]

Off the top of my head i know that the following were raised on farms and some certainly incl Du Plessis bros are actively managing them:

du Plessis brothers
Schalk Burger
François Steyn

I know that Bakkies Botha lives on an active farm and works there but im not sure if this was his background too.

I suspect that there are quite a few others but i would have to go checking.

os du randt is a farmer aswell...retired in 2002 to go farming and was coaxed out of retirement by jake white in 2004...

Long list or rugby internationals from farming stock especially in NZ and South Africa..few english lads farming aswell, Vickery, White and Oliver Magne of france is a farmer....

[Lamps]

Off the top of my head i know that the following were raised on farms and some certainly incl Du Plessis bros are actively managing them:

du Plessis brothers
Schalk Burger
François Steyn

I know that Bakkies Botha lives on an active farm and works there but im not sure if this was his background too.

I suspect that there are quite a few others but i would have to go checking.

FFS.

I was talking about the way these jocks are defending these Afrikaners as being the common man. The very same Afrikaners who held out longest when apartheid was being dismantled.

Check out common man of the land Burgers wine business.
http://www.welbedacht.co.za/home.htm

I doubt any of these "farmers" are farming half a patch of land with a couple of cows

[Cliff Barnes]

FFS.

I was talking about the way these jocks are defending these Afrikaners as being the common man. The very same Afrikaners who held out longest when apartheid was being dismantled.

Check out common man of the land Burgers wine business.
http://www.welbedacht.co.za/home.htm

I doubt any of these "farmers" are farming half a patch of land with a couple of cows


You are turning into a bit of a Boer yourself :lol!:

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

FFS.

I was talking about the way these jocks are defending these Afrikaners as being the common man. The very same Afrikaners who held out longest when apartheid was being dismantled.

Check out common man of the land Burgers wine business.
http://www.welbedacht.co.za/home.htm

I doubt any of these "farmers" are farming half a patch of land with a couple of cows

I never said that they were 'oul sods' but i had to refute your farmer comment as it is plainly not true.

The Du Plessis bros were brought up speaking the local tribal language and taught Afrikaans in school as their second language. They had a farm larger than 2 chickens and a cow, but hey had to work it through their youth as well as attending school.
I feel that their story is not very unisual in that country.

Your problem is that you are speaking of something which you have little knowledge about - again.

[Sound]

Right.

Defending Afrikaaners is for Johnny come lately to rugby retards. They are everything that is and has been wrong with that country. They held on to apartheid longest and have produced some of the worst acts ever seen on a rugby field.

As for Hannigan, my sig is a better analysis and a more cutting critique.

[Lamps]

I never said that they were 'oul sods' but i had to refute your farmer comment as it is plainly not true.

The Du Plessis bros were brought up speaking the local tribal language and taught Afrikaans in school as their second language. They had a farm larger than 2 chickens and a cow, but hey had to work it through their youth as well as attending school.
I feel that their story is not very unisual in that country.

Your problem is that you are speaking of something which you have little knowledge about - again.

They are farmers in the way Simon Coveney is a farmer and the Brutons are farmers.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

They are farmers in the way Simon Coveney is a farmer and the Brutons are farmers.

Again Lamps -your ignorance is very evident but you are getting to the wind up stage ('when exposure is imminent lets just pretend we are only winding up') so we can stop this here and embarrass you no more.

[Eoin]

Again Lamps -your ignorance is very evident but you are getting to the wind up stage ('when exposure is imminent lets just pretend we are only winding up') so we can stop this here and embarrass you no more.

No-one is denying that they are or were farmers man, but a white farmer in apartheid era SA was hardly the same as a lad milking cows in a field in county limerick.

[Mick Lyons]

They are farmers in the way Simon Coveney is a farmer and the Brutons are farmers.

I saw John Bruton driving a tractor down the road the other day. :silly:

[Lamps]

Again Lamps -your ignorance is very evident but you are getting to the wind up stage ('when exposure is imminent lets just pretend we are only winding up') so we can stop this here and embarrass you no more.


I'm here all week.

The "point" as was made by one of the jocks was that the Afrikaners were simple honest farmers and to quote "hardly high class society"

This is ridiculous, they were the privileged part of society for almost 200 years.

Coogee also then goes on to claim that cos there are a few blacks and coloureds on the team that this meant they were from under privileged society and meant that South African rugby was some sort of all inclusive utopia. I could be wrong here but Habanna I believe went to a top rugby playing school and JP Pitersen was named after JPR williams, back in the 80's? Hardly from the ghetto.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

No-one is denying that they are or were farmers man, but a white farmer in apartheid era SA was hardly the same as a lad milking cows in a field in county limerick.

highlight 1: Lamps did. See below.

highlight 2: It is in many cases. There are large amounts of white farmers in RSA and many struggle like the farmers here.


I never thought I'd see the day when the jocks would be claiming the Afrikaners were common old sods, even going so far as to use the munstershire line from "farming stock".

Seriously, hang the heads in shame.

[Lamps]

highlight 1: Lamps did. See below.

highlight 2: It is in many cases. There are large amounts of white farmers in RSA and many struggle like the farmers here.

You're missing the point. I never denied they were or weren't some farmers ,it was the context I pulled ye up on.

Everyone else can see this.

The jocks on here seem to be, incredibly, claiming that the Afrikaners are and were a great bunch of lads.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

You're missing the point. I never denied they were or weren't some farmers ,it was the context I pulled ye up on.

Everyone else can see this.

The jocks on here seem to be, incredibly, claiming that the Afrikaners are and were a great bunch of lads.

No, you are missing the point. You mentioned farmers and i thought it ironic as i knew a number actually were. The fact that they are not all 1 acre famine style smallholders is another issue.

As much as i'm not that keen on South Africans i do respect the fact that many of the whites are not from privileged backgrounds. To insinuate otherwise is only showing an ignorance of the actual situation in that country both now and in apartheid times.

[Coogee]

I'm here all week.

The "point" as was made by one of the jocks was that the Afrikaners were simple honest farmers and to quote "hardly high class society"

This is ridiculous, they were the privileged part of society for almost 200 years.

Coogee also then goes on to claim that cos there are a few blacks and coloureds on the team that this meant they were from under privileged society and meant that South African rugby was some sort of all inclusive utopia. I could be wrong here but Habanna I believe went to a top rugby playing school and JP Pitersen was named after JPR williams, back in the 80's? Hardly from the ghetto.

i was merely making the point that the springbok team was made up of players from all the different cultures of South Africa...Black, white, East asian, Afrikaneer etc...there is alot more of a mix of ethnic backgrounds on the rugby team than there is on the soccer and cricket teams....that was my point....

I dont know what kind of social or economic background the balck and coloured lads on the springbok team come from as much as anyone else on here does...im sure some came from poor backgrounds and others form middle class backgrounds...As for Habanna going to a top rugby school, im sure he wouldnt be the first gifted athlete form a poor to middle class background getting a scholarship to get in the door of the school

[Spiderpig]

Hannigan was spot on
Funny rules - uncontested scrums.
Minority sport in SA and British and Irish Islands. (Very much so in Ireland)
Rugby 'high jinx' tolerated, but GAA or soccer misdemeanours described as hooliganism.
Lions tour = glorified Railway Cup
Heineken Cup = Aga Khan Cup
Rugby gets way too much media coverage for the amount of people interested in the sport. This is because the guys interested are posh/rich and hold the purse strings in industry and commerce in this country. Advertisers will pay to be included in rugby coverage because they are advertising to the rich (and not the masses)!
Thus the media will give more rugby coverage the next day.

I agree with Mr. H on all these points.

There is very little rugby played in Cork (Con, Well, Dolphin and Highfield are the only city clubs I think). They may have 4 adult teams each... maybe!!!

How many GAA clubs/teams are in the city?
I do know that there are close to 200 soccer teams in Cork. They may not have gin palaces of clubhouses but soccer is by far the most played sport in this city. Anyway, we shouldn't be supporting sports where society's elite are the only one's who can progress.

What percentage of Ireland caps won by Corkmen were won by lads who DIDN'T go to school in Pres or Christians???
1% maybe ?!
Makes me laugh when I see guys from the less well off areas of the city wearing Munster or Ireland rugby jerseys - as if these teams are representitive of these areas.
Laughable.

O'Gara, Stringer and O'Callaghan might be great guys but they have got where they are today by being placed in Rugby academies (pres and christians).
This is no different than posh people sending their kids to tennis camps in Florida and turning out to be champions of another minority/elitist sport.
Great for the individuals themselves but not representative of the people of Cork. Unlike the GAA and soccer teams.

Give me a shout when Mayfield Community School is in the final of the Munster Schools Rugby Cup. I'll go to Thomond Park to watch that one - as if that'll ever happen!

[POL]

Hannigan was spot on
Funny rules - uncontested scrums.
Minority sport in SA and British and Irish Islands. (Very much so in Ireland)
Rugby 'high jinx' tolerated, but GAA or soccer misdemeanours described as hooliganism.
Lions tour = glorified Railway Cup
Heineken Cup = Aga Khan Cup
Rugby gets way too much media coverage for the amount of people interested in the sport. This is because the guys interested are posh/rich and hold the purse strings in industry and commerce in this country. Advertisers will pay to be included in rugby coverage because they are advertising to the rich (and not the masses)!
Thus the media will give more rugby coverage the next day.

I agree with Mr. H on all these points.

There is very little rugby played in Cork (Con, Well, Dolphin and Highfield are the only city clubs I think). They may have 4 adult teams each... maybe!!!

How many GAA clubs/teams are in the city?
I do know that there are close to 200 soccer teams in Cork. They may not have gin palaces of clubhouses but soccer is by far the most played sport in this city. Anyway, we shouldn't be supporting sports where society's elite are the only one's who can progress.

What percentage of Ireland caps won by Corkmen were won by lads who DIDN'T go to school in Pres or Christians???
1% maybe ?!
Makes me laugh when I see guys from the less well off areas of the city wearing Munster or Ireland rugby jerseys - as if these teams are representitive of these areas.
Laughable.

O'Gara, Stringer and O'Callaghan might be great guys but they have got where they are today by being placed in Rugby academies (pres and christians).
This is no different than posh people sending their kids to tennis camps in Florida and turning out to be champions of another minority/elitist sport.
Great for the individuals themselves but not representative of the people of Cork. Unlike the GAA and soccer teams.

Give me a shout when Mayfield Community School is in the final of the Munster Schools Rugby Cup. I'll go to Thomond Park to watch that one - as if that'll ever happen!Post of the year

[Cliff Barnes]

Hannigan is almost as upset and "rattled" by Rugby's success as POL / Lamps etc ?

Sure you only knock things that you are jealous of.

[Lamps]

Hannigan was spot on
Funny rules - uncontested scrums.
Minority sport in SA and British and Irish Islands. (Very much so in Ireland)
Rugby 'high jinx' tolerated, but GAA or soccer misdemeanours described as hooliganism.
Lions tour = glorified Railway Cup
Heineken Cup = Aga Khan Cup
Rugby gets way too much media coverage for the amount of people interested in the sport. This is because the guys interested are posh/rich and hold the purse strings in industry and commerce in this country. Advertisers will pay to be included in rugby coverage because they are advertising to the rich (and not the masses)!
Thus the media will give more rugby coverage the next day.

I agree with Mr. H on all these points.

There is very little rugby played in Cork (Con, Well, Dolphin and Highfield are the only city clubs I think). They may have 4 adult teams each... maybe!!!

How many GAA clubs/teams are in the city?
I do know that there are close to 200 soccer teams in Cork. They may not have gin palaces of clubhouses but soccer is by far the most played sport in this city. Anyway, we shouldn't be supporting sports where society's elite are the only one's who can progress.

What percentage of Ireland caps won by Corkmen were won by lads who DIDN'T go to school in Pres or Christians???
1% maybe ?!
Makes me laugh when I see guys from the less well off areas of the city wearing Munster or Ireland rugby jerseys - as if these teams are representitive of these areas.
Laughable.

O'Gara, Stringer and O'Callaghan might be great guys but they have got where they are today by being placed in Rugby academies (pres and christians).
This is no different than posh people sending their kids to tennis camps in Florida and turning out to be champions of another minority/elitist sport.
Great for the individuals themselves but not representative of the people of Cork. Unlike the GAA and soccer teams.

Give me a shout when Mayfield Community School is in the final of the Munster Schools Rugby Cup. I'll go to Thomond Park to watch that one - as if that'll ever happen!

This man can see the wood for the trees

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

This man can see the wood for the trees

It looks to me ike the man has a chip on his shoulder and is unable to come up with any origional arguement.
Rehashing the 'sfi' mantra might be good enough for you guys but does not cut it for the rest of us.


Rugby is popular as it is an exciting and entertaining sport to watch.

Irish soccer and GAA get the media coverage that they deserve. There is no conspiracy in this regard only market forces at play.

[HappyMonday83]

Hannigan was spot on
Funny rules - uncontested scrums.
Minority sport in SA and British and Irish Islands. (Very much so in Ireland)
Rugby 'high jinx' tolerated, but GAA or soccer misdemeanours described as hooliganism.
Lions tour = glorified Railway Cup
Heineken Cup = Aga Khan Cup
Rugby gets way too much media coverage for the amount of people interested in the sport. This is because the guys interested are posh/rich and hold the purse strings in industry and commerce in this country. Advertisers will pay to be included in rugby coverage because they are advertising to the rich (and not the masses)!
Thus the media will give more rugby coverage the next day.

I agree with Mr. H on all these points.

There is very little rugby played in Cork (Con, Well, Dolphin and Highfield are the only city clubs I think). They may have 4 adult teams each... maybe!!!

How many GAA clubs/teams are in the city?
I do know that there are close to 200 soccer teams in Cork. They may not have gin palaces of clubhouses but soccer is by far the most played sport in this city. Anyway, we shouldn't be supporting sports where society's elite are the only one's who can progress.

What percentage of Ireland caps won by Corkmen were won by lads who DIDN'T go to school in Pres or Christians???
1% maybe ?!
Makes me laugh when I see guys from the less well off areas of the city wearing Munster or Ireland rugby jerseys - as if these teams are representitive of these areas.
Laughable.

O'Gara, Stringer and O'Callaghan might be great guys but they have got where they are today by being placed in Rugby academies (pres and christians).
This is no different than posh people sending their kids to tennis camps in Florida and turning out to be champions of another minority/elitist sport.
Great for the individuals themselves but not representative of the people of Cork. Unlike the GAA and soccer teams.

Give me a shout when Mayfield Community School is in the final of the Munster Schools Rugby Cup. I'll go to Thomond Park to watch that one - as if that'll ever happen!
Repped.

[HappyMonday83]

It looks to me ike the man has a chip on his shoulder and is unable to come up with any origional arguement.
Rehashing the 'sfi' mantra might be good enough for you guys but does not cut it for the rest of us.


Rugby is popular as it is an exciting and entertaining sport to watch.

Irish soccer and GAA get the media coverage that they deserve. There is no conspiracy in this regard only market forces at play.

At best rugby is probably the 7th most popular sport in Ireland, but the amount of coverage it gets would suggest that every man woman and child on the island are hard core rugby heads. Utter bollix.

[Cliff Barnes]

It looks to me ike the man has a chip on his shoulder and is unable to come up with any origional arguement.
Rehashing the 'sfi' mantra might be good enough for you guys but does not cut it for the rest of us.


Rugby is popular as it is an exciting and entertaining sport to watch.

Irish soccer and GAA get the media coverage that they deserve. There is no conspiracy in this regard only market forces at play.

Irish soccer is poor enough and G.A.A.is a summer sport for the majority of fans and Rugby is a winter sport.Funnily most people I know follow all 3 to some extent. Setting up some pointless "class war" or some false opposition argument wont wash anymore.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

At best rugby is probably the 7th most popular sport in Ireland, but the amount of coverage it gets would suggest that every man woman and child on the island are hard core rugby heads. Utter bollix.

What exact part of the market forces reality verses the conspiracy theory did you have difficulty understanding?

[Edmund Blackwater]

It looks to me ike the man has a chip on his shoulder and is unable to come up with any origional arguement.
Rehashing the 'sfi' mantra might be good enough for you guys but does not cut it for the rest of us.


Rugby is popular as it is an exciting and entertaining sport to watch.

Irish soccer and GAA get the media coverage that they deserve. There is no conspiracy in this regard only market forces at play.

No, it's not. Watching some lad kick a ball out of play for 80 mins is neither entertaining nor exciting. Nor is running into an opponent every 3 minutes.

If you saw that happening on a school playground, you'd get the kids tested for eustachion tube dysfunction.

[HappyMonday83]

What exact part of the market forces reality verses the conspiracy theory did you have difficulty understanding?

If it's just a matter of market forces then how come rugby get's more coverage than either golf of fishing. Both are far more popular in ireland than rugby yet they only get a fraction of the coverage. Why is that?

[Cliff Barnes]

If it's just a matter of market forces then how come rugby get's more coverage than either golf of fishing. Both are far more popular in ireland than rugby yet they only get a fraction of the coverage. Why is that?

Even more people play Bridge or Chess.

Where is the 6 page suppliment on those ?

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

If it's just a matter of market forces then how come rugby get's more coverage than either golf of fishing. Both are far more popular in ireland than rugby yet they only get a fraction of the coverage. Why is that?

Market forces does not necessarily corrolate to popularity... Read up on it - it is quite interesting this 'Market' and the 'forces' which dictate it.

If that is too overwhelming just consider the fact that maybe 50% of the adults in this county use a hoover from time to time yet very little coverage of hoover news in the media. Any idea why?????

[HappyMonday83]

Even more people play Bridge or Chess.

Where is the 6 page suppliment on those ?

Exactly!

[Edmund Blackwater]

I love it when Ryle 'spaff jocks' Nugent mentions that whichever game he happens to be watching is like a game of chess. usually one that has been exceptionally shite.
This means, in lay man terms, that it has been like a game of pick up 52.

[HappyMonday83]

Market forces does not necessarily corrolate to popularity... Read up on it - it is quite interesting this 'Market' and the 'forces' which dictate it.

If that is too overwhelming just consider the fact that maybe 50% of the adults in this county use a hoover from time to time yet very little coverage of hoover news in the media. Any idea why?????

Because housekeeping isn't a sport.

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[Cliff Barnes]

Exactly!

I was taking the piss.

The viewing figures for the 6N / Grand Slam & Munster etc suggest it is quite popular.

I cannot see people getting as excited over golf or fishing for some reason.

Funny that.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Because housekeeping isn't a sport.

Game, set and match.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Because housekeeping isn't a sport.

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/Worf_notagain.gif


the point is that there is little 'hoover news' in the media and thus popularity does not dictate coverage as per your claim that fishing was being ignored.

Athletics are quite pouplar in this country but might get a minor article from time to time and no more. Do you know why that is lad? Do ya? Do ya?

[HappyMonday83]

I was taking the piss.

The viewing figures for the 6N / Grand Slam & Munster etc suggest it is quite popular.

I cannot see people getting as excited over golf or fishing for some reason.

Funny that.

The numbers speak for themselves. A lot more people are involved in fishing and golf than are in rugby, so why don't they get the coverage. I think we can all agree that the the vast majority of people in this country don't give a flying fuck about rugby and yet it dominates the sports news.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

I was taking the piss.

The viewing figures for the 6N / Grand Slam & Munster etc suggest it is quite popular.

I cannot see people getting as excited over golf or fishing for some reason.

Funny that.

thats no reason to give it good coverage. I fear the hand of the freemasons at play.

[Edmund Blackwater]

the point is that there is little 'hoover news' in the media and thus popularity does not dictate coverage as per your claim that fishing was being ignored.

Athletics are quite pouplar in this country but might get a minor article from time to time and no more. Do you know why that is lad? Do ya? Do ya?
Is it because you touch yourself at night?

[Cliff Barnes]

The numbers speak for themselves. A lot more people are involved in fishing and golf than are in rugby, so why don't they get the coverage. I think we can all agree that the the vast majority of people in this country don't give a flying fuck about rugby and yet it dominates the sports news.

I know people who fish rivers , do sea angling,play golf every weekend and attend GAA and Rugby matches.

Where do they fit in to your narrow world view ?

Well ?

[HappyMonday83]

the point is that there is little 'hoover news' in the media and thus popularity does not dictate coverage as per your claim that fishing was being ignored.

Athletics are quite pouplar in this country but might get a minor article from time to time and no more. Do you know why that is lad? Do ya? Do ya?
That's my point exactly. What get's put in the paper is decided by the pro-jock media and the old boys network.

[PatMan]

thats no reason to give it good coverage. I fear the hand of the freemasons at play.

By good you mean quantity - not quality?

[Cliff Barnes]

I know people who fish rivers , do sea angling,play golf every weekend and attend GAA and Rugby matches.

Where do they fit in to your narrow world view ?

Well ?



No answer as expected.

[HappyMonday83]

I know people who fish rivers , do sea angling,play golf every weekend and attend GAA and Rugby matches.

Where do they fit in to your narrow world view ?

Well ?

I'm sure that they'd like to see a more fishing coverage in the papers, and they'd be right. There are only about 23,000 registered adult players in ireland, so why does it get so much coverage if that few people play it?

[Lamps]

Where does the coverage of the Leinster schools cup fall into all of this?

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

By good you mean quantity - not quality?
I do.
That's my point exactly. What get's put in the paper is decided by the pro-jock media and the old boys network.

I can put this comment down to either stupidity or ignorance.

What goes in papers and on tv is what sells papers and adverts. That is how the market works.
...and before you ask, ads are placed to sell product rather than to support an old boys network.

This is real life consumerism and is how the world rolls. You dont do favours and have your paper go down the tubes.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Where does the coverage of the Leinster schools cup fall into all of this?

Front page of the Arish times for the winners of a game that 12 schools of Fiachras play.

[Lamps]

Front page of the Arish times for the winners of a game that 12 schools of Fiachras play.

Lets not forget the 12 page supplements in the build up. You'd be lost without them.


To be fair, market forces are driving the editors to print them:rolleyes:

[HappyMonday83]

I do.


I can put this comment down to either stupidity or ignorance.

What goes in papers and on tv is what sells papers and adverts. That is how the market works.
...and before you ask, ads are placed to sell product rather than to support an old boys network.

This is real life consumerism and is how the world rolls. You dont do favours and have your paper go down the tubes.

I put this comment down to naivety. Ads are going to be in the newspaper whatever sport is being covered, they have sweet fuck all to do with the content.
You still haven't explained why a sport as unpopular as rugby get's so much coverage.

[Edmund Blackwater]

The paper of record. What a joke.

I'd like to know how the jocks know what parts of the paper I read?

[PatMan]

Rugby is Box Office - look how many posts/threads it gets here for example...

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Lets not forget the 12 page supplements in the build up. You'd be lost without them.


To be fair, market forces are driving the editors to print them:rolleyes:

Well done Lamps. Uinhir a haon of the 'sfi' to get the open market idea.

By the way i dont see the justification in promoting the schools cup but the newspapers accountants do and they do not act on emotions.

[HappyMonday83]

Rugby is Box Office - look how many posts/threads it gets here for example...

Less than soccer and gaa i'd guess.

[Cliff Barnes]

I'm sure that they'd like to see a more fishing coverage in the papers, and they'd be right. There are only about 23,000 registered adult players in ireland, so why does it get so much coverage if that few people play it?

The TV viewing figures suggest otherwise as ove ra million tuned into a friendly with a Munster 2nd team and the All-Blacks + the Grand Slam 2009.

I fish from time to time and coverage or lack of does not bother me or has ever been mentioned by anyone I know.

I have no time for the world of Horse Racing / gambling so I do not read the reams of coverage.

How mad is that ?

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

I put this comment down to naivety. Ads are going to be in the newspaper whatever sport is being covered, they have sweet fuck all to do with the content.
You still haven't explained why a sport as unpopular as rugby get's so much coverage.

You have no knowledge of how the media works so kiddo. Ignorance it is.

[Edmund Blackwater]

The TV viewing figures suggest otherwise as ove ra million tuned into a friendly with a Munster 2nd team and the All-Blacks + the Grand Slam 2009.

I fish from time to time and coverage or lack of does not bother me or has ever been mentioned by anyone I know.

I have no time for the world of Horse Racing / gambling so I do not read the reams of coverage.

How mad is that ?

By next year it will be 10 million.
Who counted these viewers?
Are there even a million tellies in the country?

[HappyMonday83]

The TV viewing figures suggest otherwise as ove ra million tuned into a friendly with a Munster 2nd team and the All-Blacks + the Grand Slam 2009.

I fish from time to time and coverage or lack of does not bother me or has ever been mentioned by anyone I know.

I have no time for the world of Horse Racing / gambling so I do not read the reams of coverage.

How mad is that ?

Over a million people watch the late late on a friday aswell. There are only 23,000 adults playing rugby in ireland. I'd say there's more gaa players than that in cork alone.

[Cliff Barnes]

Rugby is Box Office - look how many posts/threads it gets here for example...

Of course even the SFI devour the TV and print media coverage.

For me its just meh.

People only knock things that they are jealous of

Its that simple a lesson learned in the school playground by 7 year olds.

[HappyMonday83]

You have no knowledge of how the media works so kiddo. Ignorance it is.
I been putting ads into newspapers for over 20 years and i've never been asked do I want my ad beside a rugby article.

[PatMan]

Of course only the SFI devour the TV and print media coverage.



Fixed that for ya...

[Edmund Blackwater]

You have no knowledge of how the media works so kiddo. Ignorance it is.

It appears neither do you. people don't buy the Arish times for sports coverage. If they're just interested in sport, they buy a tabloid as they have far better coverage. they buy the Arish times for news and business which gives the blackrock boys license to do what they like within the confines of the dports pages.

If you don't know what you're talking about, try not to condescendto those that you believe don't know either.

[Cliff Barnes]

Over a million people watch the late late on a friday aswell. There are only 23,000 adults playing rugby in ireland. I'd say there's more gaa players than that in cork alone.

So what ?

The national team is doing well and the provinces of Munster & Leinster have taken off big time.

I know some GAA club players who also attend rugby games and watch live games on TV in the pub over the winter.

Its only a sport.

Do not forget that but you must be old enough to have the sense to ignore it if you hate it that much.

[HappyMonday83]

So what ?

The national team is doing well and the provinces of Munster & Leinster have taken off big time.

I know some GAA club players who also attend rugby games and watch live games on TV in the pub over the winter.

Its only a sport.

Do not forget that but you must be old enough to have the sense to ignore it if you hate it that much.

Ignore it, why on earth would I do that?

[Edmund Blackwater]

Of course even the SFI devour the TV and print media coverage.

For me its just meh.

People only knock things that they are jealous of

Its that simple a lesson learned in the school playground by 7 year olds.

You may have a new name duffer, but you're still a retard. Are people jealous of killer Eddie halvey, rapists, junkies, thieves and so on?

[Cliff Barnes]

Ignore it, why on earth would I do that?

You would be a lot less upset by its recent success in this country.

You could focus on those sports or pastimes that actually make you happy.

Its like forcing yourself to listen to Appalachian mountain music when you clearly love listening to Gary Numan.

I hope this helps.

[Cliff Barnes]

You may have a new name duffer, but you're still a retard. Are people jealous of killer Eddie halvey, rapists, junkies, thieves and so on?

Why would people be jealous of the above ?

What nutter would be jealous of a rapist etc ?

Do carry on this is getting good.

Remember that this is a sports topic BTW.

[HappyMonday83]

You would be a lot less upset by its recent success in this country.

You could focus on those sports or pastimes that actually make you happy.

Its like forcing yourself to listen to Appalachian mountain music when you clearly love listening to Gary Numan.

I hope this helps.

Unlike most of the jocks here I actually play rugby and have done so for over 30 years.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Why would people be jealous of the above ?

What nutter would be jealous of a rapist etc ?

Do carry on this is getting good.

Remember that this is a sports topic BTW.

People only knock things that they are jealous of

I was using your logic, duffer.

[Cliff Barnes]

Unlike most of the jocks here I actually play rugby and have done so for over 30 years.

Good so you obviously enjoy Rugby.

The Grand Slam / Munster / Leinster's success covered in TV and print media encourages other kids to take up the sport.

Whats wrong with that in a playstation sedentary world where most kids wear sports clothing but do not play sport - any sport.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

I been putting ads into newspapers for over 20 years and i've never been asked do I want my ad beside a rugby article.

Echo pink pages are not relevent to this discussion

It appears neither do you. people don't buy the Arish times for sports coverage. If they're just interested in sport, they buy a tabloid as they have far better coverage. they buy the Arish times for news and business which gives the blackrock boys license to do what they like within the confines of the dports pages.

If you don't know what you're talking about, try not to condescendto those that you believe don't know either.

You are waffling now kid.

[Edmund Blackwater]

You are waffling now kid.

prove me wrong.

[Cliff Barnes]

I was using your logic, duffer.

Duffer ?



You knock rugby as you are some GAA head and probably suckered by Sky premierleague etc.

You could ignore it ?

Or have you not fully developed the smarts to do so ?

[HappyMonday83]

Good so you obviously enjoy Rugby.

The Grand Slam / Munster / Leinster's success covered in TV and print media encourages other kids to take up the sport.

Whats wrong with that in a playstation sedentary world where most kids wear sports clothing but do not play sport - any sport.

So now you're suggesting that rugby get's so much coverage in a bid to encourages kids to take up the sport. :shock:

[Edmund Blackwater]

So now you're suggesting that rugby get's so much coverage in a bid to encourages kids to take up the sport. :shock:
Not forgetting how the grand slam ended the recession.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Duffer ?



You knock rugby as you are some GAA head and probably suckered by Sky premierleague etc.

You could ignore it ?

Or have you not fully developed the smarts to do so ?

what about your logic, duffer?
Are you now jealous of me?

[Cliff Barnes]

So now you're suggesting that rugby get's so much coverage in a bid to encourages kids to take up the sport. :shock:

Success breeds success.

Kids get interested as a result and want to be BOD etc.


I really hate having to make everything that simplistic for you.

[Cliff Barnes]

what about your logic, duffer?
Are you now jealous of me?

No one is jealous of you kid.

No one.

You are just way too obvious.

Not Duffer either btw.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

prove me wrong.

You feel that the Irish Times gives up its Sports pages beacuse its readers have no interest in them and with that some group of rugby affiliates just put what they want into that section.

that, even for you, is waffle.

[Cliff Barnes]

If a paper devoted so much of its space because there was little or no interest in that sport how long would it remain in business is the question.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

If a paper devoted so much of its space because there was little or no interest in that sport how long would it remain in business is the question.

Sher they dont need that section as it is only business readers they get so they let a few hooray henrys on board to write about their sons and nephews....

[Edmund Blackwater]

You feel that the Irish Times gives up its Sports pages beacuse its readers have no interest in them and with that some group of rugby affiliates just put what they want into that section.

that, even for you, is waffle.

No, not quite. I feel that the irish Times is bought by people for News and business primarily. it's sports coverage and the quality of it is not as important as the quality of its primary products - news and business.
Therefore the standard of sports coverage is lower than other newspapers.

If you read a few papers, this will become obvious.

Maybe the rugby coverage is very good, but 99% of the population couldn't tell you this as we don't give a fuck. Maybe one of the forum fiachras or quentins can enlighten us.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

No, not quite.I feel that the irish Times is bought by people for News and business primarily. it's sports coverage and the quality of it is not as important as the quality of its primary products - news and business.
Therefore the standard of sports coverage is lower than other newspapers.

If you read a few papers, this will become obvious.

Maybe the rugby coverage is very good, but 99% of the population couldn't tell you this as we don't give a fuck. Maybe one of the forum fiachras or quentins can enlighten us.

Look we have gone a bit off point at this stage but it is fair to say that the 'sfi' agruement was well and truely dumped on its ass and their understanding of the media is in line with their tinfoil hat wearing mistrust and incomprehension of many other matters.

[Cliff Barnes]

No, not quite. I feel that the irish Times is bought by people for News and business primarily. it's sports coverage and the quality of it is not as important as the quality of its primary products - news and business.
Therefore the standard of sports coverage is lower than other newspapers.

If you read a few papers, this will become obvious.

Maybe the rugby coverage is very good, but 99% of the population couldn't tell you this as we don't give a fuck. Maybe one of the forum fiachras or quentins can enlighten us.

Irony statement of the year ?

A career in Marketing does not await you I am afraid.

Romantic fiction may suit.

[HappyMonday83]

Success breeds success.

Kids get interested as a result and want to be BOD etc.


I really hate having to make everything that simplistic for you.

Simplistic, you're talking out of your arse. Plus you've effectively agreed with my stance on the pro-jock media pushing rugby.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Look we have gone a bit off point at this stage but it is fair to say that the 'sfi' agruement was well and truely dumped on its ass and their understanding of the media is in line with their tinfoil hat wearing mistrust and incomprehension of many other matters.

You know nothing of the media in this country. I, on the other hand, know quite alot.

You're a decent poster on a good few sports, i don't know why you have this blind spot when it comes to the stockbroker's game.
Much as you pretend to know everything there is to know about it, the blackrock boys will never accept you. Never.

[Cliff Barnes]

[QUOTE=Edmund Blackwater;2764073]You know nothing of the media in this country. I, on the other hand, know quite alot.
QUOTE]

Any interest in sending comedy scripts containing the likes of the above to the chief commisioning editor of BBC light entertainment ?

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

You know nothing of the media in this country. I, on the other hand, know quite alot.

You're a decent poster on a good few sports, i don't know why you have this blind spot when it comes to the stockbroker's game.
Much as you pretend to know everything there is to know about it, the blackrock boys will never accept you. Never.

Im not looking for acceptance Eddie.
I do know how media works though and i understand the open market and what it does to those who take their eye off the ball.
The media like most other aspects of our life is ran by accountants and as sad as it is, those that try to do it the other way are destined to fail.

[Coogee]

Hannigan was spot on
Funny rules - uncontested scrums. for player safety you have to go uncontested
Minority sport in SA Rubbish...and British and Irish Islands. (Very much so in Ireland)not as popular as GAA or soccer in England but hardly a minority sport
Rugby 'high jinx' tolerated, but GAA or soccer misdemeanours described as hooliganism.
Lions tour = glorified Railway Cupthere were more people in the bar in Seattle watching the lions tests than at an average railway cup game ffs
Heineken Cup = Aga Khan Cup
Rugby gets way too much media coverage for the amount of people interested in the sport. This is because the guys interested are posh/rich and hold the purse strings in industry and commerce in this country. Advertisers will pay to be included in rugby coverage because they are advertising to the rich (and not the masses)!
Thus the media will give more rugby coverage the next day.

I agree with Mr. H on all these points.

There is very little rugby played in Cork (Con, Well, Dolphin and Highfield are the only city clubs I think). They may have 4 adult teams each... maybe!!!

How many GAA clubs/teams are in the city?
I do know that there are close to 200 soccer teams in Cork. They may not have gin palaces of clubhouses but soccer is by far the most played sport in this city. Anyway, we shouldn't be supporting sports where society's elite are the only one's who can progress. More rubbish

What percentage of Ireland caps won by Corkmen were won by lads who DIDN'T go to school in Pres or Christians???
1% maybe ?!
Makes me laugh when I see guys from the less well off areas of the city wearing Munster or Ireland rugby jerseys - as if these teams are representitive of these areas.
Laughable. So does that mean that lads form well off areas cant support cork city or the hurlers..gway lad will ya

O'Gara, Stringer and O'Callaghan might be great guys but they have got where they are today by being placed in Rugby academies (pres and christians). Jesus there is an idea...place promising young players in rugby playing schools to improve their skills...how different is that from lads all over munster going to flannans in ennis or colemans in fermoy!!!!

This is no different than posh people sending their kids to tennis camps in Florida and turning out to be champions of another minority/elitist sport.
Great for the individuals themselves but not representative of the people of Cork. Unlike the GAA and soccer teams.

Give me a shout when Mayfield Community School is in the final of the Munster Schools Rugby Cup. I'll go to Thomond Park to watch that one - as if that'll ever happen!

most of the above is the same rubbish we have heard here for years...

[KD Langer]

Post of the year

i concur.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

i concur.

I would have expected better of you.

[delzer]

Hannigan was spot on
Funny rules - uncontested scrums.
Minority sport in SA and British and Irish Islands. (Very much so in Ireland)
Rugby 'high jinx' tolerated, but GAA or soccer misdemeanours described as hooliganism.
Lions tour = glorified Railway Cup
Heineken Cup = Aga Khan Cup
Rugby gets way too much media coverage for the amount of people interested in the sport. This is because the guys interested are posh/rich and hold the purse strings in industry and commerce in this country. Advertisers will pay to be included in rugby coverage because they are advertising to the rich (and not the masses)!
Thus the media will give more rugby coverage the next day.

I agree with Mr. H on all these points.

There is very little rugby played in Cork (Con, Well, Dolphin and Highfield are the only city clubs I think). They may have 4 adult teams each... maybe!!!

How many GAA clubs/teams are in the city?
I do know that there are close to 200 soccer teams in Cork. They may not have gin palaces of clubhouses but soccer is by far the most played sport in this city. Anyway, we shouldn't be supporting sports where society's elite are the only one's who can progress.

What percentage of Ireland caps won by Corkmen were won by lads who DIDN'T go to school in Pres or Christians???
1% maybe ?!
Makes me laugh when I see guys from the less well off areas of the city wearing Munster or Ireland rugby jerseys - as if these teams are representitive of these areas.
Laughable.

O'Gara, Stringer and O'Callaghan might be great guys but they have got where they are today by being placed in Rugby academies (pres and christians).
This is no different than posh people sending their kids to tennis camps in Florida and turning out to be champions of another minority/elitist sport.
Great for the individuals themselves but not representative of the people of Cork. Unlike the GAA and soccer teams.

Give me a shout when Mayfield Community School is in the final of the Munster Schools Rugby Cup. I'll go to Thomond Park to watch that one - as if that'll ever happen!

some excellent points made here.

[KD Langer]

I would have expected better of you.

why? you can waffle on about marketing and advertising all day long.the fact is rugby is a minority sport in this country, yet it receives as much coverage as GAA and soccer.

when a friendly between the a second string brazil side and ireland in soccer gets the 3 prime time news radio shows to devote an hour each of coverage to the said friendly then you can argue different.


when john o shea's mam is interviwed on national radio by matt cooper about her son going on tour to USA (for arguments sake) with the irish soccer team then you can argue different.

when the harty cup is broadcast by a satelite television station and gets a 12 page supplement in the irish times then you can argue different.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

why? you can waffle on about marketing and advertising all day long.the fact is rugby is a minority sport in this country, yet it receives as much coverage as GAA and soccer.

when a friendly between the a second string brazil side and ireland in soccer gets the 3 prime time news radio shows to devote an hour each of coverage to the said friendly then you can argue different.


when john o shea's mam is interviwed on national radio by matt cooper about her son going on tour to USA (for arguments sake) with the irish soccer team then you can argue different.

when the harty cup is broadcast by a satelite television station and gets a 12 page supplement in the irish times then you can argue different.

Whatever the argument, you cannot deny that your so called 'post of the year' is the same shit that is regurgitated each year on this very forum for the H Cup and 6 Nations.
Nothing of substance new posted and you call it 'post of the year' - how lame was that huh?

POL i expected as its what he does but i thought better of KD...

[Spiderpig]

most of the above is the same rubbish we have heard here for years...

Thank you for you intrest in my earlier post.

In the 1st part of my post I paraphased Mr. Hannigan's article from last night's echo (that's what this thread is supposed to be about). It is crazy that uncontested scrums shoud be used in an 'international' match... for whatever reason. Surely some 'international' player could do the job - you don't need a PhD ffs!!! (But I've never been inside a scrum so I'm no expert!)

Rugby IS a minority sport in SA.
Rugby is popular with the whites, 5million-ish
Soccer is the number 1 sport with all the non-whites, 60 million-ish. That's a fact!

Hannigan didnt compare the Railway Cup with the Lions tour as regards to tickets sold. He just said that they were sporting showpieces from another age.

As for my own comments regarding the rugby academies.
You mention flannans and colmans being similar - I presume these schools are fee paying boarding schools. If they are, then there are some similarities. However you can still progress to the Cork hurling team if you dont go to Colmans (as most in fact do).

The amount of Corkmen who make it as professional rugby players by coming through the club game (rather than the 2 schools) is very very small. That's a fact!
How many Corkmen who didnt go to Pres or Christians were capped by Ireland recently? Still no answer to that chestnut!

Rich lads have the same level of opportunity to play for the Cork GAA teams or Cork City as anyone else. So there is a lower percentage of toffs playing on these teams than on the rugby teams where they have an advantage (by going to Pres or Christians - because papa is minted!). Also a Fact!!!

So how can someone from a disadvantaged area look to the rugby teams as his own when there is no effort being made to include him - on the pitch instead of as a cash cow on the terraces???

There are 2 rugby playing schools in Cork. Both fee-paying.
When will Knocknaheeny Community School play Mayfield Community School in the Munster Rugby Schools Cup???
Fucking Never!!!

Look, enjoy your sport whatever it is - better to be playing something than the playstation.
But please don't pretend that rugby is anything but elitist in Cork. It gets more coverage than it deserves but that's a marketing-economics thing.

Munster supporters like to pretend that they're more earthly than their Leinster friends.
I see all rugby people as the same and I laugh when Munster describe the Leinster team as Ladyboys.
You are all the same to me.

[Rebelred]

Hannigan was spot on
Funny rules - uncontested scrums.
Minority sport in SA and British and Irish Islands. (Very much so in Ireland)
Rugby 'high jinx' tolerated, but GAA or soccer misdemeanours described as hooliganism.
Lions tour = glorified Railway Cup
Heineken Cup = Aga Khan Cup
Rugby gets way too much media coverage for the amount of people interested in the sport. This is because the guys interested are posh/rich and hold the purse strings in industry and commerce in this country. Advertisers will pay to be included in rugby coverage because they are advertising to the rich (and not the masses)!
Thus the media will give more rugby coverage the next day.

I agree with Mr. H on all these points.

There is very little rugby played in Cork (Con, Well, Dolphin and Highfield are the only city clubs I think). They may have 4 adult teams each... maybe!!!

How many GAA clubs/teams are in the city?
I do know that there are close to 200 soccer teams in Cork. They may not have gin palaces of clubhouses but soccer is by far the most played sport in this city. Anyway, we shouldn't be supporting sports where society's elite are the only one's who can progress.

What percentage of Ireland caps won by Corkmen were won by lads who DIDN'T go to school in Pres or Christians???
1% maybe ?!
Makes me laugh when I see guys from the less well off areas of the city wearing Munster or Ireland rugby jerseys - as if these teams are representitive of these areas.
Laughable.

O'Gara, Stringer and O'Callaghan might be great guys but they have got where they are today by being placed in Rugby academies (pres and christians).
This is no different than posh people sending their kids to tennis camps in Florida and turning out to be champions of another minority/elitist sport.
Great for the individuals themselves but not representative of the people of Cork. Unlike the GAA and soccer teams.

Give me a shout when Mayfield Community School is in the final of the Munster Schools Rugby Cup. I'll go to Thomond Park to watch that one - as if that'll ever happen!

fine post

[Coogee]

Thank you for you intrest in my earlier post.

In the 1st part of my post I paraphased Mr. Hannigan's article from last night's echo (that's what this thread is supposed to be about). It is crazy that uncontested scrums shoud be used in an 'international' match... for whatever reason. Surely some 'international' player could do the job - you don't need a PhD ffs!!! (But I've never been inside a scrum so I'm no expert!)...and as the games lawmakers are experts i think they know better

Rugby IS a minority sport in SA.
Rugby is popular with the whites, 5million-ish
Soccer is the number 1 sport with all the non-whites, 60 million-ish. That's a fact!/...absolute bullshit...did you not notice that there were 11 coloured players on the springbok squad...did you not see the many black faces in the crowds at the games...to say that it is only popular with 5 million white people is ludicrous...

Hannigan didnt compare the Railway Cup with the Lions tour as regards to tickets sold. He just said that they were sporting showpieces from another age. ...with the professionla game everyone says that lions tours are a thing of the past but this tour proved that they are not...Sad thing is that with the right marketing i think the railway cup could be a great competition

As for my own comments regarding the rugby academies.
You mention flannans and colmans being similar - I presume these schools are fee paying boarding schools. If they are, then there are some similarities. However you can still progress to the Cork hurling team if you dont go to Colmans (as most in fact do).

The amount of Corkmen who make it as professional rugby players by coming through the club game (rather than the 2 schools) is very very small. That's a fact!
How many Corkmen who didnt go to Pres or Christians were capped by Ireland recently? Still no answer to that chestnut!...im not denying these facts...99% of munster/irish international went to rugby schools...why is that a problem...there are a few exceptions like John Kelly, John Hayes, Mick Galwey and Alan Quinlan

Rich lads have the same level of opportunity to play for the Cork GAA teams or Cork City as anyone else. So there is a lower percentage of toffs playing on these teams than on the rugby teams where they have an advantage (by going to Pres or Christians - because papa is minted!). Also a Fact!!!...some of these lads also get scholarships like Donnacha o Callaghan at cbc or Keith Earls at Munchins

So how can someone from a disadvantaged area look to the rugby teams as his own when there is no effort being made to include him - on the pitch instead of as a cash cow on the terraces???....

There are 2 rugby playing schools in Cork. Both fee-paying.
When will Knocknaheeny Community School play Mayfield Community School in the Munster Rugby Schools Cup???
Fucking Never!!!...the munster senior and junior cups were won by castletroy community college in limerick last year so maybe there is hope for other schools to come through the ranks...Any lad in limerick gets a fair chance at rugby weather he is form moyross or castletroy...maybe not the same in cork....

Look, enjoy your sport whatever it is - better to be playing something than the playstation.
But please don't pretend that rugby is anything but elitist in Cork. It gets more coverage than it deserves but that's a marketing-economics thing....why does it have to one sport...rugby is one of many sports i enjoy and participate in such aswell as gaelic football, hurling, golf


Munster supporters like to pretend that they're more earthly than their Leinster friends.
I see all rugby people as the same and I laugh when Munster describe the Leinster team as Ladyboys.
You are all the same to me.

i dont pretend to be earthly...i grew up on a farm in county limerick...i have other friends whose old men are vets, doctors, publicans etc.....i dont make a big deal about what leinster fans background is..some do but not all munster fans

[POL]

fine postindeed, its hilarious to see posh bastards like cogee trying to play the "game of the common man" card as usual, I love when they start shit like trying to imply that Pres and Christians are nothing more than industrial schools from the 1950's and John Hayes spends his planting spuds on his farm etc etc

[Coogee]

indeed, its hilarious to see posh bastards like cogee trying to play the "game of the common man" card as usual, I love when they start shit like trying to imply that Pres and Christians are nothing more than industrial schools from the 1950's and John Hayes spends his planting spuds on his farm etc etc

oh great its you again talking through your hole!!!

[POL]

oh great its you again talking through your hole!!!

of course I am, sure everyone knows DOC is nothing more than a plasterer

[CORKBHOY]

of course I am, sure everyone knows DOC is nothing more than a plasterer

I heard he uses sterling silver trowles.