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corkoniense
01-07-2009, 08:28 PM
Robin Yassin-Kassab in the Sunday Herald.

I really think this guy is spot on.

Two manifestations of Iranian modernity

The mainstream media narrative of events unfolding in Iran has been set out for us as clear as fairytale: an evil dictatorship has rigged elections and now violently suppresses its country’s democrats, hysterically blaming foreign saboteurs the while. But the Twitter generation is on the right side of history (in Obama’s words), and could bring Iran back within the regional circle of moderation. If only Iran becomes moderate, a whole set of regional conflicts will be solved.

I don’t mean to minimise the importance of the Iranian protests or the brutality of their suppression, but I take issue with the West’s selective blindness when it gazes at the Middle East. The ‘Iran narrative’ contains a dangerous set of simplicities which bode ill for Obama’s promised engagement, and which will be recognised beyond the West as rotten with hypocrisy.

Iran’s claims of Western incitement for the protests are roundly scorned in our media, and of course Khamenei’s scapegoating of foreigners and “terrorist groups” demonstrates an unhealthy denial of the very real polarisation within Iranian society. Yet Iranians still have good reason to fear outside interference. It was, after all, British and American orchestrated riots that brought down the elected Mossadeq government in 1953. And in 2007 Bush administration neocon John Bolton told the Telegraph that a US attack on Iran would be “a last option after economic sanctions and attempts to foment a popular revolution had failed.” According to veteran journalist Seymour Hersh, ongoing US special operations in Iran include funding ethnic-separatist terrorist groups such as the al-Qa’ida linked Jundallah in Baluchistan. With some honorable exceptions, this dimension has not been touched by the mainstream media.

And Mousavi’s vote-rigging allegations are accepted without scrutiny, despite there not yet being any hard evidence of organised cheating. The official result is similar to that in the second round of the 2005 elections, when Ahmadinejad received 61.7 % to former President Rafsanjani’s 35.9 %. A few weeks before the latest elections, a poll commissioned by the BBC and ABC News predicted a nationwide advantage of two to one for Ahmadinejad over Mousavi. Even Israel’s Mossad chief Meir Dagan reported that there were no more irregularities in the Iranian vote than in elections in liberal democracies.

I visited Iran in 2006, with a backpack and guidebook-standard Farsi. I noticed two things. First, Iran is far freer, fairer, less littered, and more literate than any of its neighbours. Second, very many Iranians are unhappy with their corrupt rulers and, unlike people in nearby Arab states, they are not afraid to say so openly. To an extent the revolution has been a victim of its own success, having transformed a largely feudal land into a highly educated urban society, creating along the way a swollen middle class and an idealistic youth which chafes against the petty oppression of dress codes and state-enforced morality. But everyone I spoke to favoured evolution of the existing system over counter-revolution.

The Islamic Republic has been a great – if seriously flawed – experiment in economic and strategic independence, its engines oiled by class consciousness and national pride as much as by religion. Iran is at least a semi-democracy, and has held ten presidential elections in thirty years. Iranian women are obliged to cover their hair, true, but women in US-client Saudi Arabia are obliged to cover their faces. In Saudi Arabia of course there are never any elections to dispute – but there are US military bases, so we don’t dwell on the issue.

Here’s the nub of it. Iran opposes the US military presence in the region, and vigorously supports resistance to Israeli expansionism. On these two points, the Iranian regime is closer than any other to the true sentiments of Middle Easterners.

And this, fundamentally, is why Iran is imagined to be such a problem in the West: because it’s a Venezuela or a Cuba of a country. Iran is troublesome not because it’s any more obscurantist or dictatorial than its neighbours, but because it is less submissive.

The world worries about Iran’s nuclear energy programme while keeping quiet about Israel’s 200 nuclear weapons. Israel occupies Syrian, Lebanese and Palestinian territory. Iran has not attacked another country in its modern history.

Iran is accused of backing terrorism because it helps to arm Hizbullah and Hamas, grassroots anti-occupation groups with a legitimate, even legal, cause. Both groups have targetted civilians (rarely, in Hizbullah’s case) but not on as grand a scale as Israel, which is armed and funded by the United States. And Iran doesn’t export Wahhabi-nihilist terrorists of the Taliban or al-Qa’ida-in-Iraq variety. Again, that would be our ally Saudi Arabia.

President Obama recently chose to address the Muslims from Cairo, seat of a client regime which has ‘pre-emptively’ arrested hundreds of democrats in recent months, fearing they may demonstrate. Commenting on Iran, Obama called the “democratic process” a “universal value”. But obviously not quite universal enough to cover Egypt, or the elected Hamas government, what remains of it, in beseiged Palestine.

Silences can be more significant than words. Is Obama also “deeply troubled” when Israel shoots unarmed protestors or arrests children as young as twelve? Does he mourn “each and every innocent life that is lost” in Gaza as well as in the plusher streets of Tehran? If so, he still hasn’t told us.

At present our opinion formers are blithely simplifying and demonising a complex culture, allowing illusions and half-truths to become shining certainties in our minds. This is how we arrived in Iraq.

Spiderpig
02-07-2009, 11:24 AM
Very informative other side of the story

Ageless (H)
02-07-2009, 12:37 PM
great article ,shows you what kind of country the states.

jd26
02-07-2009, 01:20 PM
It's not so much US hypocrisy as a theory that goes that you're better trying to influence your friends quietly behind the scenes than by berating them in public. It's had a degree of success in Egypt and to an even greater extent in Turkey, but has been a total failure in Saudi (presumably because unlike the case with Egypt and Turkey, the US needs Saudi more than Saudi needs the US).

The article is completely unconvincing. It's full of what-about-isms.

Iran should be judged on its record.

Other countries should be judged on their records.

If there are questions to be answered, it's more in the selective reporting of teh western media, rather than western governments.

quincytwo
02-07-2009, 02:08 PM
Whilst I have some sympathies for Iran due to the near constant interference in its affairs by mainly UK and US, the notion of Iran not invading other countries cannot be accepted.
It uses proxies to do its fighting in toher muslim countries and has probably killed very large numbers of muslims.
Pro Iranians keep very quiet about the fact that Iran offered its assistance to US in thier fight against Taliban who are Iran's enemies also.

corkoniense
02-07-2009, 02:37 PM
It's not so much US hypocrisy as a theory that goes that you're better trying to influence your friends quietly behind the scenes than by berating them in public. It's had a degree of success in Egypt and to an even greater extent in Turkey, but has been a total failure in Saudi (presumably because unlike the case with Egypt and Turkey, the US needs Saudi more than Saudi needs the US).

The article is completely unconvincing. It's full of what-about-isms.

Iran should be judged on its record.

Other countries should be judged on their records.

If there are questions to be answered, it's more in the selective reporting of teh western media, rather than western governments.

I can't believe you of all people Jd26, would come up with this. "had a degree of success in Turkey and Egypt"? You mean arm them to the teeth and turn a blind eye to their gross human rights violations? Egypt receives the third highest financial and military support from the US in the planet, after Israel and Colombia. What for? Promotion of "freedom"? They've banned any mass movement that has even come close to threatening their disgusting regime, yet they still receive billions in aid. Why? Because they lie down. Submissive, as the author says.

I wholeheartedly believe it is in the US interest to have democratic states all over the middle east, but everything the US does seems to be about installing compliant regimes. This is probably because that is in the interest of the corporations, who have somehow managed to convince ordinary westerers that their interests and those of ordinary people are the same.

And Saudi Arabia is the biggest promoter of nihilist non-state terrorism on the planet, yet nary a word is said about them.

The hypocrisy of the west is sickening, but it doesn't really matter whether we notice it or not. What matters is that the peoples of the middle east notice it, and Hosni Mubarak's goons or the theocracy in Saudi ain't ever gonna brush over it.

corkoniense
02-07-2009, 02:52 PM
If there are questions to be answered, it's more in the selective reporting of teh western media, rather than western governments.

Which have become one and the same. That's the fucking problem.

jd26
02-07-2009, 03:07 PM
I can't believe you of all people Jd26, would come up with this. "had a degree of success in Turkey and Egypt"? You mean arm them to the teeth and turn a blind eye to their gross human rights violations? Egypt receives the third highest financial and military support from the US in the planet, after Israel and Colombia. What for? Promotion of "freedom"? They've banned any mass movement that has even come close to threatening their disgusting regime, yet they still receive billions in aid. Why? Because they lie down. Submissive, as the author says.

Turkey and Egypt are far from perfect, but they have been improving.

Turkey, in particular, has moved from being a military dictatorship that carried out atrocities against ethnic minorities to being a country where there is a democracy (even if it is somewhat shaky), even to the extent that it is currently governed by a party that is hated by the military establishment.

Eqypt is a more complex situation, but it's freedom house ranking has been on the up, as has the number of seats won by the opposition in parliamentary elections. It's unlikely to improve massively until Mubarak dies, but do you honestly believe that turning hostile to him would make the situation better or worse?

The question is what tactics are most likely to be effective. Heavily attacking a foreign government can just lead a despot to issue a call to patriotism to protect his position. We've seen that happen in Iran.

In general, a softly-softly approach is best with friends, while with others a confrontation can be more useful.

BTW I think Obama has been very restrained in his reaction to events in Iran. While I'm not generally a fan, Ron Paul's speech to congress (which voted 405-1 in favour of the motion being discussed, with Ron Paul the only dissenter) is instructive on this.

I rise in reluctant opposition to H Res 560, which condemns the Iranian government for its recent actions during the unrest in that country. While I never condone violence, much less the violence that governments are only too willing to mete out to their own citizens, I am always very cautious about "condemning" the actions of governments overseas. As an elected member of the United States House of Representatives, I have always questioned our constitutional authority to sit in judgment of the actions of foreign governments of which we are not representatives. I have always hesitated when my colleagues rush to pronounce final judgment on events thousands of miles away about which we know very little. And we know very little beyond limited press reports about what is happening in Iran.

Of course I do not support attempts by foreign governments to suppress the democratic aspirations of their people, but when is the last time we condemned Saudi Arabia or Egypt or the many other countries where unlike in Iran there is no opportunity to exercise any substantial vote on political leadership? It seems our criticism is selective and applied when there are political points to be made. I have admired President Obama's cautious approach to the situation in Iran and I would have preferred that we in the House had acted similarly.

I adhere to the foreign policy of our Founders, who advised that we not interfere in the internal affairs of countries overseas. I believe that is the best policy for the United States, for our national security and for our prosperity. I urge my colleagues to reject this and all similar meddling resolutions.

corkoniense
02-07-2009, 03:29 PM
Point reluctantly taken, but I would highlight this part of his speech.


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I rise in reluctant opposition to H Res 560, which condemns the Iranian government for its recent actions during the unrest in that country. While I never condone violence, much less the violence that governments are only too willing to mete out to their own citizens, I am always very cautious about "condemning" the actions of governments overseas. As an elected member of the United States House of Representatives, I have always questioned our constitutional authority to sit in judgment of the actions of foreign governments of which we are not representatives. I have always hesitated when my colleagues rush to pronounce final judgment on events thousands of miles away about which we know very little. And we know very little beyond limited press reports about what is happening in Iran.

Of course I do not support attempts by foreign governments to suppress the democratic aspirations of their people, but when is the last time we condemned Saudi Arabia or Egypt or the many other countries where unlike in Iran there is no opportunity to exercise any substantial vote on political leadership? It seems our criticism is selective and applied when there are political points to be made. I have admired President Obama's cautious approach to the situation in Iran and I would have preferred that we in the House had acted similarly.

I adhere to the foreign policy of our Founders, who advised that we not interfere in the internal affairs of countries overseas. I believe that is the best policy for the United States, for our national security and for our prosperity. I urge my colleagues to reject this and all similar meddling resolutions.

pudgee
02-07-2009, 03:31 PM
The problem here is viewing everything through the prism of American foreign policy. It's not a good idea. Saudi is a fucked up place, as is Egypt. Turkey has severe problems. The US should not have anything to do with them

None of these facts make the Islamic Republic of Iran any better.

Oh, and Ron Paul is a twat.

leesider
03-07-2009, 01:46 AM
I think that is a large part of the problem we are looking at the world through the "prism" of US foreign policy. Basic fact is it is all about oil and this is merely a side show to get the public on side for the next war......geopolitics is the game and imperalism is the aim US style not democracy.

Why is there all this hysteria about Iran possibly acquiring a nuke, as we all the know Israel has plenty of them and acts with impunity in the area because of this.......but maybe that is ok because they are "Westerners".

As I said all these things are a sideshow so if there is a war in Iran and you want to take sides you just have to ask yourself, as with Iraq, do you think this is the best method for the US, UK and EU to acquire the oil we need????

The Middle East would be just fine if it didn't have the resources that the rest of the world wants.

jd26
03-07-2009, 10:18 AM
If US foreign policy is just about oil, what are they doing in Afghanistan?

Mick Lyons
03-07-2009, 11:18 AM
Looking for oil?

hiawatha
03-07-2009, 11:53 AM
If US foreign policy is just about oil, what are they doing in Afghanistan?

They got struck a deal with Prop Joe and they don't want to disappoint him.

Actin The Sham
03-07-2009, 12:14 PM
If US foreign policy is just about oil, what are they doing in Afghanistan?

How much oil is in the Korean peninsula? How much oil did Sinn Fein or the UFF have control of?



;)

o_2_b_a_rebel
03-07-2009, 01:05 PM
How much oil is in the Korean peninsula? How much oil did Sinn Fein or the UFF have control of?



;)

they did not have much to do with that process.

Korea was a proxy war and that is well acknowledged.

leesider
04-07-2009, 12:03 AM
If US foreign policy is just about oil, what are they doing in Afghanistan?

Oil pipelines and controlling buffer zones around China and Russia who are a threat to the resources that the US and EU want......read up on geopolitics my man.....it ain't about one single country!

You do know the US had nearly done a deal with the Taliban for a pipeline through their territory before Sept 11???

quincytwo
04-07-2009, 01:16 AM
Oil pipelines and controlling buffer zones around China and Russia who are a threat to the resources that the US and EU want......read up on geopolitics my man.....it ain't about one single country!

You do know the US had nearly done a deal with the Taliban for a pipeline through their territory before Sept 11???

Thats not that surprising, when the Taliban were freedom fighters fighting the Russians, they were armed by the US.

leesider
04-07-2009, 10:43 AM
Thats not that surprising, when the Taliban were freedom fighters fighting the Russians, they were armed by the US.

Oh I know, just making the point that controlling the region is about dominance of its resources and encircling the perceived enemies of Russia and China.