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quincytwo
01-07-2009, 11:20 AM
Here is part of an interesting article by Sarah Carey in this morning's Irish Times :

Time to admit that job subsidies will not be effective
'Even left-wing economists agree that the plan to spend €250 million on job subsidies will not work, writes SARAH CAREY

I NEARLY fell off the couch the other night. There I was with one eye on the Grey’s Anatomy season finale and another on the internet. Then I saw it – the pseudonymous blogger Sli Eile on “progressive economy” agreed with a post by UCD economist Karl Whelan on “Irish economy”. The marriage of the terminally ill but suspiciously healthy looking Izzie would have to wait.

Irish economy is the group blog of academic economists where the financial crisis is analysed using classical economic theory. The “progressive” economists set up a rival blog on which they interpret the crisis from a left wing perspective. Everyone’s terribly polite, but the tension is palpable.

Yet on this night, on one point, the economists were in agreement: the plan announced by the Government to reduce unemployment by spending €250 million on job subsidies will not work. If the lefties were willing to concede the point to the academics then it must be true. The benefits of subsidies are described as “marginal” which means minimal. The failures are well accepted.

They are a “deadweight loss” which means that money inevitably “saves” jobs that were never in peril. Subsidies interfere with the process by which jobs are lost, even in the boom years, as particular sectors die natural deaths. A subsidy for one company could result in another going under as they are placed at a competitive disadvantage. The potential for corruption is enormous. Remember Export Credit Insurance when someone decided that one company should get most of the cover? The subsidy becomes either a tool of political patronage or a bureaucratic nightmare. Where does the money come from anyway? The €250 million has to be found from cuts elsewhere.

Proinsias
01-07-2009, 12:20 PM
It's a simplistic, static analysis that doesn't recognise that what Ireland is suffering from is a collapse in employment, not a simple unwinding of unviable businesses. The theories of efficient markets and good companies being pushed out by bad are far less valid when entire industries are collapsing at this sort of speed.

There is massive potential for corruption, but failure to support jobs right now will mean there will be bigger structural problems, with a loack of companies that can potentially hire workers.

Companies (and hence jobs) are almost always destroyed faster than they are created. Once a company falls, something else does not automatically take it's place. The market is not perfectly efficient.

hiawatha
01-07-2009, 12:26 PM
It's a simplistic, static analysis that doesn't recognise that what Ireland is suffering from is a collapse in employment, not a simple unwinding of unviable businesses. The theories of efficient markets and good companies being pushed out by bad are far less valid when entire industries are collapsing at this sort of speed.

There is massive potential for corruption, but failure to support jobs right now will mean there will be bigger structural problems, with a loack of companies that can potentially hire workers.

Companies (and hence jobs) are almost always destroyed faster than they are created. Once a company falls, something else does not automatically take it's place. The market is not perfectly efficient.

Commie.

quincytwo
01-07-2009, 12:41 PM
The intersting thing is that she says left wing economists were agreeing with the analysis and most of us would have expected the opposite

Proinsias
01-07-2009, 12:42 PM
Commie.I'm convinced that communists don't understand why markets work and why removing them is a bad idea.

Of course, I don't understand either people who think markets are the answer to everything.