The Independent article on Boyle

[quincytwo]

Ok Ok seeing as how I got so many emails about the Boyle article in todays Irish Indo, here it is in full, read and judge for yourselves:


A BLISTERING public row between the Green Party and 'Apprentice' frontman Bill Cullen over the collapsing motor industry deepened last night.
Green Party chairman Dan Boyle accused the tycoon of embarking on a personal and political crusade against his party after the finance spokesman was left red-faced after an embarrassing gaffe live on air.
Mr Boyle was forced to apologise to Mr Cullen on radio after he got his facts wrong during a debate on the 'Today' with the Pat Kenny radio programme.
Mr Cullen has lambasted the Green Party on a number of TV and radio interviews and blamed the junior Government partner for "killing" the motor trade with changes to the car tax regime in favour of less polluting vehicles that cost the economy billions of euro.
He claimed the motor industry has collapsed by 65pc -- and the Green Party is mostly to blame.
Mr Boyle rejected the claims, but was slapped down by the former Renault Ireland chief when he said one-in-eight people in the country were getting a new car every year during the boom years. But Mr Cullen responded: "Hold on Dan, mathematics, you'd want to go back to school. You're saying one in eight of the population, it's one in 80, well 8 and 80 is a huge difference and here we are with the Greens again getting it all wrong."
Mr Boyle replied "I'm sorry, I'm sorry", but the damage was already done.
"You're sorry? It's too late now. You killed the motor trade, people can't buy a new car, you stopped it and it's all because of the Greens," Mr Cullen snapped back.
Mr Cullen later insisted he had "nothing against the Green Party or Mr Boyle "per se",
But he added: "They need to get their heads out of the sand and accept they've contributed to this."
- Aidan O'Connor

[babybliss]

Thanks for posting that, Chris.

[frankeechops]

Thanks Chris, see that wasn't too hard now was it? But it common practice to include it on the thread that you already started on this subject rather than starting another pointless thread. and still you have no link.

[Motorway To Roswell]

Did Dan Boyle shag your wife?It may explain your gripe with him

[quincytwo]

Thanks for posting that, Chris.
You are very welcome babybliss:D

[quincytwo]

Thanks Chris, see that wasn't too hard now was it? But it common practice to include it on the thread that you already started on this subject rather than starting another pointless thread. and still you have no link.


Maybe so but again and again I have been asked for evidence to back up statements I have made about Boyle and the Green Party and I think in every case or almost every case, I have provided the evidence and then those looking for the evidence go quiet and have nothing to say.
Politicians seem to rely on the fact that people will not remember what they said or wrote six moths, or one or two years ago.
Well the internet has given us all the ability to detect and point put broken promises and bare lies and politicians better get used to it.

[rubbish mouth breath]

Dan Boyle is a lasher!

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Ok Ok seeing as how I got so many emails about the Boyle article in todays Irish Indo, here it is in full, read and judge for yourselves:




So it looks like he mixed up 8 and 80 in the interview. Is that it? He said eight instead of eighty????
What a fucking scandal...


I spose at lease he is not a turncoat like that Chris O'Leary bloke, who was a Green councillor and seems to have turned his back on the party due to a personal row.
Considering how the Greens are largly a single agenda party and quite unique in this regard, how could one drop their support for them over a relatively trivial matter (compared to lets say, global warming).
This smacks of the actions of a very shallow person with only personal gain in mind.

[quincytwo]

So it looks like he mixed up 8 and 80 in the interview. Is that it? He said eight instead of eighty????
What a fucking scandal...


I spose at lease he is not a turncoat like that Chris O'Leary bloke, who was a Green councillor and seems to have turned his back on the party due to a personal row.
Considering how the Greens are largly a single agenda party and quite unique in this regard, how could one drop their support for them over a relatively trivial matter (compared to lets say, global warming).
This smacks of the actions of a very shallow person with only personal gain in mind.
Ok let me spell it out for you..whether he meant ot say 8 or 80, he still got it wildly wrong. This is a man who is the Green Party spokesman on FINANCE !
Do you want this man working out how much tax you should pay ?
Think about it !

[frankeechops]

Ok let me spell it out for you..whether he meant ot say 8 or 80, he still got it wildly wrong. This is a man who is the Green Party spokesman on FINANCE !
Do you want this man working out how much tax you should pay ?
Think about it !
I'd prefer if the revenue did that, seeing as it their job and not superman Dan's.

[Lamps]

I posted the radio link in the morons forum.Dan got badly pwnt to be fair

[quincytwo]

So it looks like he mixed up 8 and 80 in the interview. Is that it? He said eight instead of eighty????
What a fucking scandal...


I spose at lease he is not a turncoat like that Chris O'Leary bloke, who was a Green councillor and seems to have turned his back on the party due to a personal row.
Considering how the Greens are largly a single agenda party and quite unique in this regard, how could one drop their support for them over a relatively trivial matter (compared to lets say, global warming).
This smacks of the actions of a very shallow person with only personal gain in mind.
Read the Phoenix article again, Boyle has never adequately refuted the essentials of this story, quite the opposite. O Leary was pushed out in the rush to appease Bertie Ahern and to keep the Ministerial salaries and pensions safe.
Now you may actually be a Beritie Ahern supporter and bellieve FF and the Greens have done a good job, you are entitled to that opinion, just as I am entitled to mine.
If Boyle has so mAny supporters in Cork, how come he has faILED TO GET ELECTED TWICE ?

‘ Until the last election the Green Party HQ in Cork had a shop front entitled Green Party HQ but the loss of his Dail seat and entry to the upper house rather chastening him, made Boyle more assertive . The ‘Green Party ‘ shop front was changed to ‘ SENATOR DAN BOYLE ‘ and tensions arose between the senator and his underling, elected Councillor O Leary, who was ill at ease with coalition government in any case. Nevertheless the Councillor used the office regularly as he was, unlike Boyle, dealing with local issues in Cork on a daily basis.
Things reached a head after the education cuts last year and when Boyle returned to ‘his’ office one Friday evening from the canapé and wine circuit in Dublin, he was appalled to see a large slogan stating co‘Greens against education cuts . Boyle ripped down the slogan and after a rigorous debate, and a mmunication from one of the new legal eagles now proliferating in the party was ejected from the office. Early in December, O Leary tendered his resignation from the party but John Gormley and Eamon Ryan and other party heads persuaded him to stay on pending an inquiry into the whole affair by an outside counsellor but the two sides failed to agree on such an independent assessor. ‘

[jd26]

Chris,

You'd think you'd know that you didn't leave the Green Party until January of this year, long after Bertie was gone. It even says it in the article you quoted

Also, this (http://www.electionsireland .org/candidate.cfm?ID=146 )is your electoral record. You're not exactly an expetr in getting elected either. Did Dan Boyle not do better than you in the Euros, despite standing at a time of record unpopularity for the Green Party.

[quincytwo]

Chris,

You'd think you'd know that you didn't leave the Green Party until January of this year, long after Bertie was gone.
Touche ! It was of corse appeasing Cowen and his budgets cuts.
Suppose ther is no point in telling you I am not Chris o Leary ?

[quincytwo]

Chris,

You'd think you'd know that you didn't leave the Green Party until January of this year, long after Bertie was gone. It even says it in the article you quoted

Also, this (http://www.electionsireland .org/candidate.cfm?ID=146 )is your electoral record. You're not exactly an expetr in getting elected either. Did Dan Boyle not do better than you in the Euros, despite standing at a time of record unpopularity for the Green Party.

Thanks for info jd26.
remember this one ?

Originally Posted by jd26
In the election campaign, the Taoiseach said that he wouldn't answer the allegations against him and he looked forward to dealing with them at the tribunal.


Now he's trying to get out of giving evidence to the tribunal. It's pretty obvious now that the country is being run by someone who belongs in jail and not the Taoiseach's office.

Dan, can you honestly justify backing him up?

The Green Party are needed for their environmental work. Pull the plug on this criminal government before the party is destroyed.

Yes, please do Dan. Can you also ask him to stop doing political deals with public assets or at least let us know the details.
__________________

Well I guess the answer to that one as we know now, is that the bold Dan had no problem supporting him !

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Chris,

You'd think you'd know that you didn't leave the Green Party until January of this year, long after Bertie was gone. It even says it in the article you quoted

Also, this (http://www.electionsireland .org/candidate.cfm?ID=146 )is your electoral record. You're not exactly an expetr in getting elected either. Did Dan Boyle not do better than you in the Euros, despite standing at a time of record unpopularity for the Green Party.

thats a brutal record alright. Gets the vote of 1/10 in his own area and never once got a quota.
This sham definilty does not have a mandate.

[jd26]

I've been critical since day one of the Greens going into government and continuing to prop up this government.

I warned that it would destroy them like it destroyed the PDs and nearly destroyed Labour (Labour only survived because they have enough of a party structure that they were able to pull through it, the Greens don't have that luxury) and that what they'd get out of the short period in government would never counter-balance what would be lost in the future.

I warned that the coalition numbers meant that they weren't needed and that they would have no leverage in forcing their agenda.

I've been critical of decisions made by the Greens while in government, although I have also been known to praise Eamon Ryan, who I think has at least done a good job (unlike Gormley who is just a tool). I've criticised the fact that the Greens have not drawn lines in the sand on public transport cuts and in particular on the forthcoming decimation of Cork's bus service (if you think the number 12 is the extent of it, wait to see what's coming).

However, I still think that Dan is a principled man whose motives are right. He (along with the rest of his party) just made one dreadful miscalculation.

What I will stick to is criticising the policies the Green Party allow the government to pursue. I don't have any personal vendetta against Dan and I couldn't give a damn about what the sign says on the Douglas St office.

[quincytwo]

I've been critical since day one of the Greens going into government and continuing to prop up this government.

I warned that it would destroy them like it destroyed the PDs and nearly destroyed Labour (Labour only survived because they have enough of a party structure that they were able to pull through it, the Greens don't have that luxury) and that what they'd get out of the short period in government would never counter-balance what would be lost in the future.

I warned that the coalition numbers meant that they weren't needed and that they would have no leverage in forcing their agenda.

I've been critical of decisions made by the Greens while in government, although I have also been known to praise Eamon Ryan, who I think has at least done a good job (unlike Gormley who is just a tool). I've criticised the fact that the Greens have not drawn lines in the sand on public transport cuts and in particular on the forthcoming decimation of Cork's bus service (if you think the number 12 is the extent of it, wait to see what's coming).

However, I still think that Dan is a principled man whose motives are right. He (along with the rest of his party) just made one dreadful miscalculation.

What I will stick to is criticising the policies the Green Party allow the government to pursue. I don't have any personal vendetta against Dan and I couldn't give a damn about what the sign says on the Douglas St office.

Ive said previously that I voted for Boyle in the last GE and would have liked to think that he was principled.
However I no longer think so and reading his various contributions and his behaviour has persuaded me of this.
The sychopantic tribute he paid to Ahern in the Senate was embarassing and degrading to Boyles own career.
The Irish Green party's day has come and gone and they will always be seen as Ahern's hired guns, available for a price, principles put into cold storage.
The other parties pragmatic adoption of the environemnt combined with the EU's Efforts will serve this country better.
My 'vendetta' , though I would refer to it as focus, is on the politician. i help to pay his wages, so that is my perogative.
The Green party came to power on the backs of continously slagging off and questioning the integrity of all the other parties in the country, they were very happy to manipulate peoples natural concern for their children, for thier futures.
If they wanted to play such high stakes poker, then they can live with the attention.