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jd26
26-06-2009, 05:28 PM
This is in addition to Naoise Nunn's already declared defection

Madam, – I expect to hear a lot in the coming months about the consequences of Ireland not ratifying the Lisbon Treaty.

It’s easy for the Yes side to talk about the negative consequences of a No vote, and they always seem shocked when they get accused of bullying and threatening behaviour. This is an unfortunate truth, and one which did play a part in the first Lisbon campaign. Even this week, reports covered comments by German Socialist MEP Jo Leinen about the consequences of a No vote and Ireland being moved to a second-class status in the EU. This simply isn’t possible, and it is important that the Yes side seeks to reassure voters of what is possible and what isn’t possible. This is not to say that it should be seen as giving oxygen to the No campaign, far from it – a successful treaty result will be tied to a need for renewed trust in what our politicians tell us.

Comments about the consequences of a No vote need to be seen as unhelpful. It’s all too easy to play to those comments and give them coverage and airtime. These kind of comments also run the chance of giving credence to the possibility that the people may in fact vote No. This is a big mistake. The Yes side need to work from an assumption that the people will vote Yes. This doesn’t mean resting on laurels, but it does mean giving little or no credibility to the chances of losing the second time around.

A successful Yes campaign must be on the merits of what is good about the Lisbon Treaty and what’s good about Europe. Any successful campaign must be based on talking about how Lisbon will fix Europe and, by focusing on areas that are in effect broken, to make it work better.

Classing Yes voters as pro-European and No voters as anti-European didn’t work last time. I doubt whether it will work this time. The Yes campaign can own the argument (unlike last time) by focusing on what’s good; focusing on voting No means being against the positive reform as brought about by the Lisbon Treaty.

Those who voted Yes last time are likely to do so again, thus the focus must be on how to turn the Nos into Yeses. This can be done by focusing on the primary arguments of the No campaign which Ireland has secured guarantees on, and making them arguments in favour of a Yes vote. This may be difficult for those who campaigned for a Yes vote last time to stomach, but they did not win the argument last time — it’s imperative that they do so this time.

But we’re already seeing the same faces with the same language and rhetoric, with the same arguments. This isn’t going to help the Yes campaign. Lisbon 2 must be a fresh campaign, with fresh faces, fresh energy and fresh passion for convincing the No voters to cross the floor – that means telling them their vote did something positive as brought about by Lisbon 2 and urging them to agree by voting Yes.

In particular, I believe the right to retain a commissioner is a massive change, and one which should be overwhelmingly applauded. During the first campaign, many on the Yes side said it wouldn’t be possible, but some of those people have secured that for Ireland.

Focus needs to be put on that leadership, and the ability to secure a better deal, which has been done. Not only has a victory been won for Ireland, but concessions have been given to each member-state with regards keeping a commissioner – this is a victory for everyone across Europe.

People who voted No should be proud of securing not just a better deal for Ireland, but for all Europeans. I believe this is an important aspect to a successful second Lisbon campaign for the Yes camp.

I voted No to Lisbon last year to keep Ireland’s commissioner and am proud of that vote. I’ll be proudly voting Yes in October for precisely the same reason. – Yours, etc,

DAVID COCHRANE,

Editor, Politics.ie

(Former Libertas Lisbon Campaign Director),

Celbridge, Co Kildare.


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2009/0626/1224249575265.html

The Zurich Connection
26-06-2009, 08:19 PM
They are slow learners. But what can one expect. This whole "no" thing has been idiotic from the start. It was based on a flight of fancy and sentiment. No wonder they are defecting. Only an idiot would vote no... or someone who is very badly advised and knows fuck all about the world off the island.

The Zurich Connection
26-06-2009, 08:34 PM
Depends what you believe to be a healthy involvement with Europe IMO. I personally feel this line has already been crossed and do not wish to further the European project.

What is your opinion on Turkey joining the EU?


They are not a European country. So No. They are also not really democratic and have a shit human rights record. They are also islamic and Europe could do without more religious crackpots.

Turkey will never become a member with Merkel and Sarko around.

That is a shabby reason for voting No though. Ireland's future economically hangs on a yes vote. A No-vote will fuck Ireland big time in the long run.

Closer80
26-06-2009, 09:34 PM
They are not a European country. So No. They are also not really democratic and have a shit human rights record. They are also islamic and Europe could do without more religious crackpots.

Turkey will never become a member with Merkel and Sarko around.

That is a shabby reason for voting No though. Ireland's future economically hangs on a yes vote. A No-vote will fuck Ireland big time in the long run.

The turkish have a shit human rights record?

They sent us food and money during the famine. The queen victoria however forced them to send less cash so as not to show her up.

How does our future economically hang on a yes vote?

The Zurich Connection
26-06-2009, 10:43 PM
The turkish have a shit human rights record?

They sent us food and money during the famine. The queen victoria however forced them to send less cash so as not to show her up.

How does our future economically hang on a yes vote?


Because it will send the wrong message to people who invest in this country, and lead to them looking at more politically stable and better run countries. No investment... no jobs. One only has to look and the emerging economic forces to realize that Europe has to be united to compete with the likes of China, India and others in the future... Ireland on it's own would sink quickly... just look at Iceland... they signed up pretty fast didn't they?

Turkey has a very dodgy human rights record (ask the kurds, armenians, greeks) and is an unconvincing democracy.

POLLMEISTER
28-06-2009, 04:53 AM
reasonable deabte.....a first for the proc!!!!!!!!!

Taste
28-06-2009, 02:44 PM
This is in addition to Naoise Nunn's already declared defection



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2009/0626/1224249575265.html

"Irish Commissioner" :lol!:

There is no such thing!

He's some dolt...

Closer80
29-06-2009, 12:14 AM
Because it will send the wrong message to people who invest in this country, and lead to them looking at more politically stable and better run countries. No investment... no jobs. One only has to look and the emerging economic forces to realize that Europe has to be united to compete with the likes of China, India and others in the future... Ireland on it's own would sink quickly... just look at Iceland... they signed up pretty fast didn't they?

Turkey has a very dodgy human rights record (ask the kurds, armenians, greeks) and is an unconvincing democracy.

Aye, Germany and Britain don't exactly have clean slates either.

And being a member of the EU, unfortunately != Prosperity. If it did we wouldn't be in a recession right now. No investment or jobs WITH the EU.

Also, i do not think that Ireland has been particularly well run as a result of the EU, more as a result of the gobshites elected. If you call FF and Brian Cowen as taoiseach Political Stability, fair enough. I don't.

jd26
29-06-2009, 10:26 AM
"Irish Commissioner" :lol!:

There is no such thing!

He's some dolt...

I think his reasoning is absurd on that one. Although a lot of fuss was made over the commissioner in the first referendum, when you realise the way the commission works, you realise that having individual country commissioners is not necessary. With 27 countries, it also ends up with some commissioners having makey-uppy positions of no importance and that would only get worse with extra countries being added (Not a Turkey issue, but Croatia and Iceland will be in very soon if they vote for it).

To me it looks like someone searching round to account for a position change because they don't want to admit the real reason. Basically, he's switching from a position of idealism to pragmatism. His previous stance was along the lines of "This is what I believe the EU should be and if you don't give me that I won't vote for it". Now, he's realising how difficult it is to get 27 countries to agree to anything and accepting that a treaty that's better than Lisbon is unlikely to be on offer.

That's pretty much my position as well. For example, I would like to see the parliament given the power to initiate legislation and a bicameral parliament where one is proportional to the population of countries, while the other has a fixed number of representatives on offer. But that's not going to be agreed by 27 countries. So, given the choice on offer - Lisbon or Nice - I'll take Lisbon because it beats Nice hands down every day.

I think the reason Cochrane's position is interesting is that he's a lot more politically savvy than some of the others in Libertas. He's a former Young PD and has some idea of how politics works. While Naoise Nunn's initial No campaigning and subsequent switch can be attributable to his tendency towards self-publicity, Cochrane's decision is more likely to be based on an understanding of political reality.