Cowen says vote Yes- Wanna get back at him- You know what to do

[Actin The Sham]

80% of fish caught in Irish waters are caught by non-Irish vessels. In fact, since 1973, the amount of money lost to other European fishermen far exceeds the amount of pot-hole filling money gained from the glorious Franco-German axis.

A large proportion of those non-Irish vessels are registered in the United Kingdom for the benefit of the glorious British Crown.

But then of course, as a typical English eurosceptic your cutting and pasting of Daily Mail articles only concentrates on other large countries, and conveniently ignores the rape of our waters by the United Kingdom, as well as the shooting down of the Aer Lingus Viscount, and the numerous sinking of Irish fishing vessels by British submarines in the Irish sea. Look to your own abuses first before you start trying to import your British euroscepticsim. Germany won the economic war: deal with it.

[REMIMUFC]

Don't insult yourself by voting in any more referendums on Europe.
Part of Lisbon is that referendums will no longer be required. End this nonsense of supposing we have a say and stop wasting our time. Its all about Money and the gravy train, I see Robbie Keane is supporting this, I wonder what his opinion is on the legal guarantees? :lol!:

probably missed it like he always does :-D

[Actin The Sham]

The American/British military presence in the Fatherland prevented any further war, Germany was virtually castrated, that's what's kept the peace.

Once the US military castrated the British military and slapped it down during the Suez crisis, Germany realised that it would be allowed once more to develop it's economy mainly due to US aid without the interference of little Englanders. It is now the world's largest exporter, bigger even then China, and is the main engine of European Economic Growth.

Meanwhile the US trident nuclear deterrent patrols the seas on British submarines which has resulted in billions of UK taxpayers money going to Lockheed-Martin in the United States.

Britain exports BMW minis, and VW Bentley's to it's German economic masters, and makes aircraft wings for the Franco-Prussian EADS. British design icons like the MG are now owned by the Chinese, and Jaguar and Land Rover are owned by the Indians.

It's eurosceptic agenda has really worked for it's American masters, and now it is impotently trying to influence the sovereign decision of it's former colony, Ireland, in a futile attempt to stop further European integration.

I can understand how an English person like yourself would be peeved by the demise of what was once a powerful empire, but to be honest, your arguments have no place here.

[Matlock]

I can understand how an English person like yourself would be peeved by the demise of what was once a powerful empire, but to be honest, your arguments have no place here.

BURN!

heh heh heh

[Lamps]

Its a well known fact that the British are the only ones to give us a decent vote in the Eurovision since it went to a public vote.

We return the compliment. And thats numberwang

Shoulder to shoulder. Vote NO

[Cliff Barnes]

Britain used to make stuff.

the best stuff in the world with superb engineers and innovators.

Now they have "Financial Services" industries.

Britain has not been a global power since 1911.

[Actin The Sham]

Its a well known fact that the British are the only ones to give us a decent vote in the Eurovision since it went to a public vote.

We return the compliment. And thats numberwang

Shoulder to shoulder. Vote NO

Shoulder to shoulder? Your crowd were probably holding the matches for them when they did this to our city centre in 1922:

http://www.askaboutireland. ie/aai-files/assets/libraries/an-chomhairle-leabharlanna/reading-room/history-of-ireland/burning-of-cork.jpg



:lol:


(WUMtastic by the way!)

[POL]

Its a slap in the face to men like Pearse and Connolly, who fought so that we could have a democratic will to decide what we do, now its a case of do what we are told, typical Irish sleveens of course will always follow where they think there is a few quid.

[Cliff Barnes]

Its a slap in the face to men like Pearse and Connolly, who fought so that we could have a democratic will to decide what we do, now its a case of do what we are told, typical Irish sleveens of course will always follow where they think there is a few quid.

They tried dat.

The country was a failure and most people left.

YES to EU subsidies and bail-outs.


Every Little Helps.

[Lamps]

Sure that was a long time ago.

We've matured as a nation, the Franco_Prussians on the other hand cannot give up their imperialistic urges and try to force european domination by the back door.

[Actin The Sham]

Its a slap in the face to men like Pearse and Connolly, who fought so that we could have a democratic will to decide what we do, now its a case of do what we are told, typical Irish sleveens of course will always follow where they think there is a few quid.

VOTE NO TO THE UNELECTED BUREACUCRATS AND POLITICAL ELITE IN DUBLIN!!!


VOTE YES FOR CORK, STRONGER IN EUROPE!


:lol:

[Lamps]

What about the Cork chamber of Commerce?:smile:

[Lostmeringtopaddypower]

Its a slap in the face to men like Pearse and Connolly, who fought so that we could have a democratic will to decide what we do, now its a case of do what we are told, typical Irish sleveens of course will always follow where they think there is a few quid.

And who did they fight, Pole?
Ze Chermans?
Ze Fronch?

Heh heh heh.

Epic self-pwnage.

[Actin The Sham]

Sure that was a long time ago.

We've matured as a nation, the Franco_Prussians on the other hand cannot give up their imperialistic urges and try to force european domination by the back door.

WUMTASTIC!!!


:lol:

(What about the Anglo-Spaniards, and the Scandinavian Alliance?)

[Actin The Sham]

What about the Cork chamber of Commerce?:smile:

Naw, that's for the old crowd, the Cork Business Association is for the new entrepenuerial classes.

[Lamps]

Otto Von Bismarck, Rene Descartes, Rene from Allo Allo, Fredick The second, Franz Beckanbauer, Nicole and Papa, can you hear me, can you hear me Nicole, your boys will never take our Freedom.

No To Lisbon

[Lamps]

Naw, that's for the old crowd, the Cork Business Association is for the new entrepenuerial classes.

Unelected elite though?

Or do ye just talk about the match

[Lostmeringtopaddypower]

Otto Von Bismarck, Rene Descartes, Rene from Allo Allo, Fredick The second, Franz Beckanbauer, Nicole and Papa, can you hear me, can you hear me Nicole, your boys will never take our Freedom.

No To Lisbon

And this from an SFI man.

Sweet jesus in heaven.

[jd26]

Here's something to ponder...

post Lisbon, the first EU president might be that disfunctional weirdo Gordon Brown after he has been thrown out of office by the UK electorate

http://blogs.ft.com/brusselsblog/2009/06/food-for-thought-gordon-brown-as-the-eus-first-full-time-president/

thats enough to make me vote No.

Post-Lisbon, the role of president would have to come from the largest group in the European Parliament.

Until 2014, that will be the EPP. As Labour are allied to the PES, Brown couldn't take on the role until 2014 at the earliest. And that's assuming the PES stage a remarkable comeback across Europe.

In practice, the president would have to come from a country with a EPP government (currently Belgium, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, Poland, Romania, Sweden).

My guess is that it's too soon for a president from an accession state. It's unlikely to be someone from a non-Eurozone country. Also, there will be an insistence that the candidate can speak English and French (aside from anything else, this would rule out Bertie as he can speak neither!).

If I was to narrow it down to a list of possible candidates, I'd say

Jean-Claude Juncker, Prime Minister of Luxembourg, but he may be perceived as too Federalist.
Herman Van Rompuy, the Belgian PM, would be another possibility, but he hasn't been in the job long.
Jan-Pieter Balkenende, the Dutch PM, not sure he can speak French though
Angela Merkel, again not sure if she can speak French. Also compared to her current job, it might be perceived as a step down. On the other hand she would bring serious credibility to the job.


It's a bit crazy that the insistence is on an English and French speaker when German is the most spoken language in the EU.

BTW Whatever you think of him (personally, I'd say he's a decent manager, but possesses no vision), Gordon Brown doesn't deserve the tag "disfunctional weirdo"

[babybliss]

Post-Lisbon, the role of president would have to come from the largest group in the European Parliament.

Until 2014, that will be the EPP. As Labour are allied to the PES, Brown couldn't take on the role until 2014 at the earliest. And that's assuming the PES stage a remarkable comeback across Europe.

In practice, the president would have to come from a country with a EPP government (currently Belgium, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, Poland, Romania, Sweden).

My guess is that it's too soon for a president from an accession state. It's unlikely to be someone from a non-Eurozone country. Also, there will be an insistence that the candidate can speak English and French (aside from anything else, this would rule out Bertie as he can speak neither!).


If I was to narrow it down to a list of possible candidates, I'd say

Jean-Claude Juncker, Prime Minister of Luxembourg, but he may be perceived as too Federalist.
Herman Van Rompuy, the Belgian PM, would be another possibility, but he hasn't been in the job long.
Jan-Pieter Balkenende, the Dutch PM, not sure he can speak French though
Angela Merkel, again not sure if she can speak French. Also compared to her current job, it might be perceived as a step down. On the other hand she would bring serious credibility to the job.

It's a bit crazy that the insistence is on an English and French speaker when German is the most spoken language in the EU.

BTW Whatever you think of him (personally, I'd say he's a decent manager, but possesses no vision), Gordon Brown doesn't deserve the tag "disfunctional weirdo"

:lol!::lol!::lol!:

[Lostmeringtopaddypower]

Once the US military castrated the British military and slapped it down during the Suez crisis, Germany realised that it would be allowed once more to develop it's economy mainly due to US aid without the interference of little Englanders. It is now the world's largest exporter, bigger even then China, and is the main engine of European Economic Growth.

Meanwhile the US trident nuclear deterrent patrols the seas on British submarines which has resulted in billions of UK taxpayers money going to Lockheed-Martin in the United States.

Britain exports BMW minis, and VW Bentley's to it's German economic masters, and makes aircraft wings for the Franco-Prussian EADS. British design icons like the MG are now owned by the Chinese, and Jaguar and Land Rover are owned by the Indians.

It's eurosceptic agenda has really worked for it's American masters, and now it is impotently trying to influence the sovereign decision of it's former colony, Ireland, in a futile attempt to stop further European integration.

I can understand how an English person like yourself would be peeved by the demise of what was once a powerful empire, but to be honest, your arguments have no place here.

Lufthansa just took over BMI.
And BA had to look for Irish help to keep them alive.

It has been a bad few years for England, in fairness.

And the SFI want to tie Ireland to a sinking ship.

I don't like using the word treason, like, but eh.....


:-)

[Actin The Sham]

Lufthansa just took over BMI.
And BA had to look for Irish help to keep them alive.

It has been a bad few years for England, in fairness.

And the SFI want to tie Ireland to a sinking ship.

I don't like using the word treason, like, but eh.....


:-)


Speaking of ships, the only Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carrier outside of the US and Russia is the Charles De Gaulle the flagship of the French Navy. Interestingly, a number of MI6 Agents were arrested for spying during the construction of the ship. Apparently their US masters were interested in the innovative European construction of the shields around the Nuclear reactor.


:lol:

[Lostmeringtopaddypower]

Speaking of ships, the only Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carrier outside of the US and Russia is the Charles De Gaulle the flagship of the French Navy. Interestingly, a number of MI6 Agents were arrested for spying during the construction of the ship. Apparently their US masters were interested in the innovative European construction of the shields around the Nuclear reactor.


:lol:

You gotta love the French.
My g/f (an eye-tie) called up a french colleague yesterday in work. (international company)
She starts talking to him in english.
"Non, non, je ne parle pas anglais - parlez vous Francais?" - says yourman.

Fortunately she speaks about 5 languages, though, so she was okay.

The French don't give a fuck about anyone - especially not America or England. And they are dead right, too.

Then you have the English shitbag "newspapers" calling them "cowards" - whilst Downing Street waits for orders from The White House.

Heh heh heh.

France is the birthplace of democracy.
England is the birthplace of concentration camps.


Liberté, égalité, fraternité!

:-)

[Lamps]

You gotta love the French.
My g/f (an eye-tie) called up a french colleague yesterday in work. (international company)
She starts talking to him in english.
"Non, non, je ne parle pas anglais - parlez vous Francais?" - says yourman.

Fortunately she speaks about 5 languages, though, so she was okay.

The French don't give a fuck about anyone - especially not America or England. And they are dead right, too.

Then you have the English shitbag "newspapers" calling them "cowards" - whilst Downing Street waits for orders from The White House.

Heh heh heh.

France is the birthplace of democracy.
England is the birthplace of concentration camps.


Liberté, égalité, fraternité!

:-)

Is there a humourous anecdote in there that I'm not getting?

seriously

[Matlock]

Is there a humourous anecdote in there that I'm not getting?

seriously

Yes, yes there is...

[Lostmeringtopaddypower]

Is there a humourous anecdote in there that I'm not getting?

seriously

No.
This is real serious shit.

[Cliff Barnes]

You gotta love the French.
My g/f (an eye-tie) called up a french colleague yesterday in work. (international company)
She starts talking to him in english.
"Non, non, je ne parle pas anglais - parlez vous Francais?" - says yourman.

Fortunately she speaks about 5 languages, though, so she was okay.

The French don't give a fuck about anyone - especially not America or England. And they are dead right, too.

Then you have the English shitbag "newspapers" calling them "cowards" - whilst Downing Street waits for orders from The White House.

Heh heh heh.

France is the birthplace of democracy.
England is the birthplace of concentration camps.


Liberté, égalité, fraternité!

:-)

Champagne Socialism Baby.

That and Carli Bruni with her hand on the knob of power

+ They love us cute drunken Irish nouveaux riche slugging back their wine as they sip it with pleasure..

Vote YES for our French Comrades with ze great trains.


Spend a little and save a lot.

[Matlock]

At least Britain had an empire you bitter cunt! And not only that, it was the greatest empire in the world. Whilst there has inevitably been somewhat of a decline, Britain still has one of the largest economies in the world.:D

What about Ireland eh? What is Ireland renowned for? Getting pissed, inbreeding and flagrant stupidity.:rolleyes:

Everything good about Ireland was bequeathed by who? Britain! Look at your beloved city of Cork for example: where did the few architecturally significant buildings of Cork come from? What about all the major infrastructure: roads, railways and tram network( you managed to ruin that unfortunately:rolley es:).

Face the facts, you would still be dwelling in bogs if it hadn't been for the munificence of the British empire. Show some respect you outlandish wanker!

Empire supporting, hurling hating, non Corkconian WUM.

Why did i even waste my time trying to have a debate with you...


:cool:

[Cliff Barnes]

Empire supporting, hurling hating, non Corkconian WUM.

Why did i even waste my time trying to have a debate with you...


:cool:

The Empire strikes back ?

[jd26]

In all seriousness JD!:rolleyes: You really need to invest in a history book on WW2. Can you not see why this wouldn't be appropriate/feasible!?

You see I was born in 1974 and have this crazy notion that it's time to consign WWII to the past. I actually find it hard to understand why the younger generation of Germans haven't been more assertive in general. Sure, it makes sense for the older ones, but there's a whole generation of adults now whose parents were born after WWII. They can't go on being responsible for it forever.

[Matlock]

Since you failed to respond to my last point, I am the victor!(as usual)

Now scurry along and do the dusting you totally worthless human being!:lol!:

I thought you ( misguidedly) prided yourself on not resorting to insults? :rolleyes:

[Lostmeringtopaddypower]

You see I was born in 1974 and have this crazy notion that it's time to consign WWII to the past. I actually find it hard to understand why the younger generation of Germans haven't been more assertive in general. Sure, it makes sense for the older ones, but there's a whole generation of adults now whose parents were born after WWII. They can't go on being responsible for it forever.

It makes no difference when you were born.
This WWII stuff is the only thing you can clutch at when you come from England.
The Sea Power is gone.
The Empire is gone.
The Industry is gone.
Your country is on the edge of the economic abyss.
Germany comes in, all smiles and handshakes and buys up your crumbling industry, takes the pearls and fucks the rest into the bin.

So then all you have left is comic books with RAF Captain Smywthe-Jones dropping bombs on a dam and killing German huns who shout "achtung!" before meeting their maker.

I feel sorry for England.

The seventeen thousand english people claiming Irish dole are more than welcome to stay, in my humble opinion......

Crayturs.

:lol:

[POL]

REPLY TO POST 276



What is actually happening now, is that precisely the same treaty is being put before the people, albeit with a few meaningless guarantees being appended. None of the so called legal guarantees even actually relate to the issues within the treaty.

How pointless is that???

You may enjoy being treated as a fool-I however, don't!:rolleyes:what 's been changed either?

We've been given the promise that certain things are legally binding, but they have yet to be made legally binding. Its the exact same thing we are been asked to vote for already, but these yes stooges can't seem to grasp that

[Matlock]

what's been changed either?

We've been given the promise that certain things are legally binding, but they have yet to be made legally binding. Its the exact same thing we are been asked to vote for already, but these yes stooges can't seem to grasp that

Ah POL, you are smarter than that.

Show me a link to where anyone from the yes capaign has said that the treaty has been changed for the second referandum?

Anyone like

[Lamps]

Empire supporting, hurling hating, non Corkconian WUM.

Why did i even waste my time trying to have a debate with you...


:cool:



Corkconian the barbarian, is that the new thing now is it?

Poor Mattie

[Matlock]

Corkconian the barbarian, is that the new thing now is it?

Poor Mattie

Spelling error jibes.

The height of sophisticated humour...

[Lostmeringtopaddypower]

Germany's economy isn't exactly healthy either you inbred spastic.:lol:

Leave my mam and brother out of this, you mongrel.

[babybliss]

Germany's economy isn't exactly healthy either you inbred spastic.:lol:

You're a contradictory fuckwit! Germany's economy is disintegrating, and you come on here heaping praise on their economic prowess. What a total retard you are.

You know fuck all about economics, you pretentious wanker.

Would you ever fawk off with your derogatory language...

Thank You.
:rolleyes:

[Matlock]

Matty, you're just embarrassing yourself now.:rolleyes:

Actually, given that you are unable to answer any question asked of you without dissapearing offline to look up the answer, and given that you seem incapable of engaging in an argument with any other poster here without desending to insults and foul language, it is you who are embarassing yourself.

[Matlock]

Rubbish! Whilst I was coasting to victory I largely refrained from insulting you. You have been quick to throw in a few digs yourself(which I don't mind at all),so stop being hypocritical.

Those idiots LMRTPP and ATS deserve to be berated considering the total garbage they have been spouting. They just have a severe case of inferioritycomplexit is.:lol!:

I havent thrown any digs at you at all. I have accused you of lying and of not knowing what you are talking about - but i havent thrown any insults at you.

LMRTPP and ATS are two of the smartest posters on here. The fact that you cant see that says alot about you...

[Lostmeringtopaddypower]

Those idiots LMRTPP and ATS deserve to be berated considering the total garbage they have been spouting. They just have a severe case of inferioritycomplexit is.:lol!:

I dunno, though.

To the naked eye, it seems that one of us has you bothered, bewitched and bollixed.

Or, as we call it on the proc, "rattled".

[babybliss]

You simple, simple cunt!:rolleyes:

What is your excuse then, asshole?:rolleyes:

[Actin The Sham]

I think we have exposed yet another alter ego.

Apparently Orish people are supposed to know their place and "lie down."

:lol:

[Lostmeringtopaddypower]

Indeed, your outrageous stupidity has affected me. the sheer ignorance and ineptitude you(and others) have demonstrated is an indication why this country is in its current state.

On the plus side, it does also highlight just how inferior you are.
:D

Down Taffer boy, down.

[babybliss]

I think we have exposed yet another alter ego.

Apparently Orish people are supposed to know their place and "lie down."

:lol:

Down Taffer boy, down.
He was exposed a week ago in the GAA thread!:silly:

[Matlock]

I have no other aliases.:rolleyes:


Bollocks you dont...

[daithi81]

Couldn't be arsed starting a thread on this, and it seems pertinent to this one:

Public Finances in EMU 2009 was released yesterday by the European Commission. Here's (http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/thematic_articles/article15380_en.htm) a link to a quick summary. Here's the PDF (http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/publications/publication15390_en. pdf). Ireland is on page 212 for the Member State Developments section.


A point I have about this, from the report:

The debt ratio [Ireland] should reach 61.2% of GDP in 2009 and almost 80% in 2010, more than three times the value recorded in 2007. This is due to the large primary deficits as well as increasing interest expenditure and falling nominal GDP, while no impact of the government’s support measures for the financial sector is included in the Commission services’ projections.

So, 2007 GDP stood at ~€190bn.

By 2009, public debt will be ~€116bn. And forecast to be almost €152bn by 2010.

Of course, this does not include the NAMA setup, which will probably cost about €60-90bn.

Choosing the bottom-end, we get a debt of €212bn, which is about 111% of our 2007 GDP level.

Choosing the top-end, we get €242bn, which is 127% of our 2007 GDP level, which, interestingly enough, is exactly the level of public debt we enjoyed when the IMF were knocking at our door, back the the late 80's.


As for Germany:

In the light of higher deficits, lower nominal GDP and financial market stabilisation measures, the Commission services' spring 2009 forecast projects the debt ratio to increase from almost 66% of GDP in 2008 to around 79% of GDP in 2010. Debt developments are subject to the risks attached to the deficit and additional risks related to possible further capital injections and potential bank takeovers (with an impact on the debt, though some effect on the deficit cannot be excluded).

Which is more or less identical to the Irish forecast. Although I would possibly concede that our banking system will take a lot more work, and we, as a nation, will find it much more difficult to borrow money.

Enjoy.

[Actin The Sham]

Why don't you go back to defending the Pedophile Protection Force(AKA the Catholic church). You are no longer welcome in this thread.:rolleyes:

Yes she is.....

Actually I'm enjoying watching her making you explode. You should take it easy, your anger will only consume you. You should try to relax, but instead you are hunched over the keyboard waiting to see what people post about you. It would be better for you to just ignore posts that make you so angry, but you appear to be unable to do that. You are now faced with a conundrum: should you reply and vent some more spleen, or should you just ignore this post in order to "take the moral high ground" and not give me the satisfaction of being able to rattle you?

It's the classic messageboard dilemma and it's your move.

(Don't forget the old "log off as one poster and log in under another username" trick either by the way, it may be of use to you in this instance.)


:silly:

[Matlock]

Why don't you go back to defending the Pedophile Protection Force(AKA the Catholic church). You are no longer welcome in this thread.:rolleyes:

heh heh heh

Gotcha.

( are you going to take your ball and go home now?)

[daithi81]

Look at Ireland's Growth Rate: -7.5%

Look at Ireland's Unemployment level: 11.8%

Compare this to the Euro zone average of -4.8% and 9.2% respectively and that is how much trouble this country is in.

Enjoy!:lol!:

You seem confused.

[babybliss]

If people like you were just consigned to the lower reaches of message boards on the internet, that would be fantastic. However, you and pretty much the majority of this forum are a microcosmic representation of Irish society as a whole.

And boy is it ugly!:rolleyes:


Don't slam the door on the way out!:crazyeye:

[daithi81]

Lol:lol!: That post ,which took me 30 seconds to construct, just nuked your essay long effort which you spent ages frantically typing away at.:lol!:

Really. Thanks for clearing that up for me, cause I swore I was talking to someone who didn't have a bulls notion of economics.

[daithi81]

Most economists don't have "a bulls notion"(how eloquent:rolleyes:) about economics to be honest. Why do you think there is a global economic crisis?.:rolleyes:

It is also evident Ireland's economists are particularly woeful. Even you can't disagree with that.;)

Unfortunately, economists do know what is happening and despite what The Sun tells you they did 'see it coming' (most of my lecturers in U-fucking-CC were showing us graphs stating how unsustainable this all was), but of course as in every boom period they were just referred to as 'doom & gloom merchants'. I bet in the next boom you will hear that term a lot, and when you do, think of me. :)

The sad reality is that economic theory has the answers that policy makers (ie politicians) don't want to hear:

When in boom time, cut spending and save. When the dip comes, use savings to spend. This is anti-cyclical economic policy, and no politician in their right mind would ever do it (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124337806443856111 .html#mod=todays_us_ page_one) and hope to be re-elected.

I must hasten to add, that any economist who works for a bank or is tied to construction in any way should be ignored. It is all vested interest that is spewing from their mouth.


PS: Speaking as a wummer. You are not particularly good at it. Perhaps you should study my techniques. I have had fellas coming on here drunk, ranting to me about something that was said several hours earlier. do you know what that means? They were out with their friends, thinking about me.

Food for thought, ya wannabe.

[daithi81]

I don't know, people(you included) seem pretty peeved by my posts in the short period of time I have been a member of this forum.

Regarding your above points- I totally agree, But sufficient action was not taken. Governments do have economic advisers- either they ignored them or the advisers are rubbish. Plus look at the NAMA? Was this solution not created from the advice of economists?

Seems to be failing miserably.:|

I'm not the slightest bit peeved, maybe others are...

Anyway...

1) The (whole) Dept of Finance has just one economist. I don't give a fuck if he is Joseph Stiglitz, you can't collect data and run the models/regressions necessary to form coherent policy for an entire country with just one economist. You need a team.

2) The govt took the nama route on the advice of an (one) economist, Peter Bacon.

Who?

Well, he was one of those 'doom & gloom' economists who wrote the Bacon Report. Specifically advising the govt to take the heat out of the housing boom with tax increases, back in 2001-ish. Of course, the NAMA idea isn't so bad, in theory. But will it be implemented by economists?

Have a guess...

[Professor Piehead]

A large proportion of those non-Irish vessels are registered in the United Kingdom for the benefit of the glorious British Crown.

But then of course, as a typical English eurosceptic your cutting and pasting of Daily Mail articles only concentrates on other large countries, and conveniently ignores the rape of our waters by the United Kingdom, as well as the shooting down of the Aer Lingus Viscount, and the numerous sinking of Irish fishing vessels by British submarines in the Irish sea. Look to your own abuses first before you start trying to import your British euroscepticsim. Germany won the economic war: deal with it.

Exactly what proportion?

It's irrelavent anyway, as they would be doing so legally thanks to you signing your rights away.

[Professor Piehead]

Once the US military castrated the British military and slapped it down during the Suez crisis, Germany realised that it would be allowed once more to develop it's economy mainly due to US aid without the interference of little Englanders. It is now the world's largest exporter, bigger even then China, and is the main engine of European Economic Growth.

Meanwhile the US trident nuclear deterrent patrols the seas on British submarines which has resulted in billions of UK taxpayers money going to Lockheed-Martin in the United States.

Britain exports BMW minis, and VW Bentley's to it's German economic masters, and makes aircraft wings for the Franco-Prussian EADS. British design icons like the MG are now owned by the Chinese, and Jaguar and Land Rover are owned by the Indians.

It's eurosceptic agenda has really worked for it's American masters, and now it is impotently trying to influence the sovereign decision of it's former colony, Ireland, in a futile attempt to stop further European integration.

I can understand how an English person like yourself would be peeved by the demise of what was once a powerful empire, but to be honest, your arguments have no place here.

Try downloading another track for your RA-Pod, you've played this one too many times.

My arguments are more valid than yours here, you betrayed Cork at the last election, I didn't.

[Closer80]

Unfortunately, economists do know what is happening and despite what The Sun tells you they did 'see it coming' (most of my lecturers in U-fucking-CC were showing us graphs stating how unsustainable this all was), but of course as in every boom period they were just referred to as 'doom & gloom merchants'. I bet in the next boom you will hear that term a lot, and when you do, think of me. :)

The sad reality is that economic theory has the answers that policy makers (ie politicians) don't want to hear:

When in boom time, cut spending and save. When the dip comes, use savings to spend. This is anti-cyclical economic policy, and no politician in their right mind would ever do it (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124337806443856111 .html#mod=todays_us_ page_one) and hope to be re-elected.

I must hasten to add, that any economist who works for a bank or is tied to construction in any way should be ignored. It is all vested interest that is spewing from their mouth.


PS: Speaking as a wummer. You are not particularly good at it. Perhaps you should study my techniques. I have had fellas coming on here drunk, ranting to me about something that was said several hours earlier. do you know what that means? They were out with their friends, thinking about me.
Food for thought, ya wannabe.

Alright, i'm not going to bother attempting political debate at the moment, because i'm pissed after a wake.
Suffice to say, while i am still opposed to a Yes vote, Daithi has pwned the fuck out of you, so give up.

I don't know, people(you included) seem pretty peeved by my posts in the short period of time I have been a member of this forum.

That might be because you're being an asshole even when people are extending olive branches to you.

By the way, generally me and Daithi clash, so if you're retarded enough to make me side with him, despite completely opposing views on the subject, then you're an asshole worthy of being laughed off the site.

apologies for my bluntness, i am quite drunk.

Xo

[Actin The Sham]

Does anynody remember that lad Ahearne, the lad who used to lecture in NUI Galway? He used to work for the Fed in the US under Greenspan, and had a kind of annoying mid atlantic accent. He used to be extremely critical of government policy and was very much on the side of the doom and gloom merchants. As far as I know Brian Cowen hired him as an adviser which means he hasn't been on radio TV or in the newspapers for about a year now. I wonder was it a case of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer?"

They certainly shut him up by hiring him.


Does anybody know what happened to him?

[Actin The Sham]

My arguments are more valid than yours here, you betrayed Cork at the last election, I didn't.

:lol:
Poor pie-y.


I voted against government parties at the last election, for what it's worth. But to be honest they're all the same.

[Actin The Sham]

Exactly what proportion?

It's irrelavent anyway, as they would be doing so legally thanks to you signing your rights away.

As are most of your cut and pasted rants. But it's nice to see you admit it from time to time.

Poor pie-y.


:lol:

[POL]

Does anynody remember that lad Ahearne, the lad who used to lecture in NUI Galway? He used to work for the Fed in the US under Greenspan, and had a kind of annoying mid atlantic accent. He used to be extremely critical of government policy and was very much on the side of the doom and gloom merchants. As far as I know Brian Cowen hired him as an adviser which means he hasn't been on radio TV or in the newspapers for about a year now. I wonder was it a case of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer?"

They certainly shut him up by hiring him.


Does anybody know what happened to him?He is being paid for his silence

[Actin The Sham]

He is being paid for his silence

That's what I was thinking too. He was one of the loudest critics of the Cowen/Lenihan/Coughlan Show, and then all of a sudden he's working for them.

This is what he had to say in April of this year:

Friday April 24 2009

THE Government's leading financial adviser, Dr Alan Ahearne, yesterday dismissed as a "technical exercise" suggestions that Ireland will have to pay more than any other country to stabilise its banking system.

The International Monetary Fund said in an unpublished draft report which appeared on the fund's web site on Tuesday that the potential cost of shoring up the bank system would be €24bn and cost more than anywhere else.

The official report published the same day did not contain the figures.

"What made the numbers look rather large is that the way they did that takes into account that Ireland has a guarantee on the banks liabilities," said Department of Finance advisor Dr Ahearne.

"Of course, all the efforts that are being made, are being made to make sure that guarantee is not called in. In fact, I think the chances of it being called in are negligible."

Dr Ahearne warned there are "downsides" to bank nationalisation and that it could send a bad message to markets.

"Nationalisation has lots of downsides for a banking system like Ireland which relies on international funds," he said. "Nationalisation is often viewed from wholesale markets as a sign that the banking systems have completely failed. That's a message the Government would not want to give out."

Old fashioned

The adviser said this month's emergency Budget did not contain "old-fashioned" stimulus as seen in the US where President Obama's administration is running a huge deficit in order to stimulate the economy.

"That sort of stimulus wouldn't work well anyway in a small, open economy, and, of course, the budget position is such that it just doesn't allow it," Dr Ahearne said at the 30th annual Engineers Ireland conference in Tullamore, in Co Offaly.

He said if the US and the global economy improves next year and Ireland continues to get its public finances in order, then Ireland would be in a position to make a "strong recovery".

The former Federal Reserve economist and academic began advising the Government last month.

Ireland is regaining its competitiveness "very quickly" because of rapidly falling wages, he said.

"Of course, those declines are painful but they will price a lot of people back into the labour market and, therefore,they are setting the foundations for the recovery."

- Eimear Ni Bhraonain
*****

[daithi81]

The International Monetary Fund said in an unpublished draft report which appeared on the fund's web site on Tuesday that the potential cost of shoring up the bank system would be €24bn and cost more than anywhere else.

That's a lot less than what I thought...

[Lamps]

Same story with Alan Dukes.

Clever move by Biffo.

[The Zurich Connection]

Current affairs Moron thread of the year by some odds.

[Sound]

Decisions coming from Brussells eh? Sounds better than any lot we can conjure. I'm sold.

[jd26]

Current affairs Moron thread of the year by some odds.

You're like the Dick Roche of this board. More likely to drive people to disagree with you than get them onside!

[bosco]

Cowen says vote Yes- Wanna get back at him- You know what to do

What a stupid piece of reasoning.

You may be an intelligent person, just winding people up or trying to provoke debate, but the title of your thread is exactly the wrong reason to vote no. If you feel like that, perhaps considering abstaining as a protest (non-)vote, but don't encourage others to vote on the future of Europe (and our nation's role therein) on the basis of temporary dissatisfaction with the elected government.

Incidentally, I haven't read past the first post, I won't be in the country to vote in the referendum, and I haven't decided how I would vote were I in a position to do so.

[POL]

What a stupid piece of reasoning.

You may be an intelligent person, just winding people up or trying to provoke debate, but the title of your thread is exactly the wrong reason to vote no. If you feel like that, perhaps considering abstaining as a protest (non-)vote, but don't encourage others to vote on the future of Europe (and our nation's role therein) on the basis of temporary dissatisfaction with the elected government.

Incidentally, I haven't read past the first post, I won't be in the country to vote in the referendum, and I haven't decided how I would vote were I in a position to do so.
it doesn't matter if you vote yes or no, this will go through one way or another

[POLLMEISTER]

it doesn't matter if you vote yes or no, this will go through one way or another

get to bed before i set an 19 year old girl on ya AGAIN!!!:lol!::lol!: :lol!::lol!:
fannygate biatch. lol

[Closer80]

Golly, I'm sorry I missed this little gem.:p

The moral of the story is never post whilst inebriated- you'll only make a complete tit out of yourself!:)

Oh, Paddy Power has also stopped taking bets on who will be the 1st civil union partnership in Ireland.

LOLzer!:cool:

Yeh keep repeating that to yourself buddy.

And maybe one day you'll be able to hold a belief without being a fucking fundamentalist.

[POL]

what kind of simpleton goes on the INTERNET after a few beers? :lol!:

[Closer80]

what kind of simpleton goes on the INTERNET after a few beers? :lol!:

What kind of simpleton goes on the internet after getting beaten up by a 19 year old girl? And talks about it?

[POL]

What kind of simpleton goes on the internet after getting beaten up by a 19 year old girl? And talks about it?
What kind of simpleton believes what they see on the INTERNET? :lol!:

[ho chi feen]

But I'm still not willing to outsource the decision making process to someone to make a decision for me, like you seem to be willing to do.

Can anyone think of any state, modern, ancient, democratic or authoritarian where this isn't the case?

[ho chi feen]

Er, where did I say I hadn't read the treaty? I can assure you I have far greater knowledge on this issue than you do. It is you who has contradicted yourself several times in this argument. First you suggested it wasn't necessary to put the election before the people, then you flipflopped and suggested it was, albeit each government should decide how to implement the legislation in their respective nations.

My point, and I shall put it in bold, is that the premise of ratifying this treaty through parliament as opposed to democratically held referenda, illustrates the fundamental problem with the European system. The people of Europe would reject this treaty, a la France and Holland.(yes, there isn't significant differentiations between the Lisbon treaty and the European constitution).

I find it dispicable that you agree there has been an abuse of democracy, yet fail to see this as an EU problem and merely denote it as an individual nations choice on how they conduct their political events. This was a pan-European decision to implement the treaty via parliament, as the political elite realised it wouldn't be passed by popular vote.

I am glad you now understand.

Lesson over.:D

But France and Holland have both elected governments (and France a president) pledging to ratify Lisbon. Ergo, if they didn't want Lisbon, they wouldn't have voted for candidate explicitly committed to ratifying it. The turnout in these elections was significantly higher than in referenda on the defunct European Constitution.

[Professor Piehead]

But France and Holland have both elected governments (and France a president) pledging to ratify Lisbon. Ergo, if they didn't want Lisbon, they wouldn't have voted for candidate explicitly committed to ratifying it. The turnout in these elections was significantly higher than in referenda on the defunct European Constitution.

Yet 17% of the vote in Holland went to eurosceptic parties, quite amazing.

[blackforest]

We could be self sufficient if Cowen and his cohorts didn't give away all our fish and gas for nothin.

Vote NO.

Their plan to economic recovery is forced emigration

Topaz are laughing all the way to the bank.

[Closer80]

What kind of simpleton believes what they see on the INTERNET? :lol!:

What kind of mind numbingly stupid person would lie about being beaten up by a girl?

[POL]

poor close_y, hasn't got the hang of the INTERNET yet :lol!:

[ho chi feen]

Yet 17% of the vote in Holland went to eurosceptic parties, quite amazing.

As opposed to 83% in favour? Yeah. Sounds like a bit of a landslide to me.

The people of the Netherlands have spoken.

[Closer80]

poor close_y, hasn't got the hang of the INTERNET yet :lol!:

Poor POL_y_y_y o' Yface hasn't got the hang of street fighting yet.

First of all, pick on your own gender, second of all, don't get beaten up by a 19 year old girl.

[ho chi feen]

Oh dear, by your logic if Ireland wanted to elect a government opposed to the Lisbon treaty, Sinn Fein or the Socialist party would be the only options.

In Britain, the Conservative party are promising to hold a referendum on this matter if they are elected. I jolly well hope they win that election!

Which wasn't the case in France, or The Netherlands.