John Giles last night

[kipto]

"The way people talk about players and records and that Bill you'd think football was invented in 1993"

LEGEND

[POL]

A lot of lads here think that way aswell

[Rebelred]

"The way people talk about players and records and that Bill you'd think football was invented in 1993"

LEGEND

telling it like it is

[northmallexile]

After yesterday, I really never want to hear the phrase "aiming to be the first team to retain the Champions' League" again.

I mean, yeah, technically, but...

[POL]

After yesterday, I really never want to hear the phrase "aiming to be the first team to retain the Champions' League" again.

I mean, yeah, technically, but...have they ever heard of AC Milan, Liverpool etc etc, some pr bullshit to try and go rewriting history

[REMIMUFC]

dont forget forest ffs

[northmallexile]

dont forget forest ffs

Real, Benfica, Inter, Ajax, Bayern...

[POL]

Are ManYooers not embarrassed by that shite?

[REMIMUFC]

Real, Benfica, Inter, Ajax, Bayern...

just think forests achievment deservrd special praise hadnt time to google it like urself:silly:

[kipto]

have they ever heard of AC Milan, Liverpool etc etc, some pr bullshit to try and go rewriting history

Real Madrid 5 TIMES IN A FUCKING ROW!!!!!

[The Black Knight]

"The way people talk about players and records and that Bill you'd think football was invented in 1993"

LEGEND

He’s spot on. This is the exact reason that Ronaldo has been so over-hyped. It’s the reason that Pele of all people was asked if he thought Ronaldo was the best player ever. I mean, Pele? There are some unbelievable retards out there.

George Best is still the best player the game has ever seen.

[REMIMUFC]

Real Madrid 5 TIMES IN A FUCKING ROW!!!!!

some team

[kipto]

Are ManYooers not embarrassed by that shite?

they think it's true...sky sports..a whole new ball game..football starts here..blah blah blah

[The Black Knight]

some team

Unreal.

It’s a shame Real Madrid is just a retirement home nowadays.

[kipto]

He’s spot on. This is the exact reason that Ronaldo has been so over-hyped. It’s the reason that Pele of all people was asked if he thought Ronaldo was the best player ever. I mean, Pele? There are some unbelievable retards out there.

George Best is still the best player the game has ever seen.

totally...

..not related to man utd, but sky had a big hoo-haa about David James having the most top flight appearences ever....but of course they were only counting the premiership...Peter Shilton played about 300 games more but is ignored...a joke

[kipto]

Unreal.

It’s a shame Real Madrid is just a retirement home nowadays.

the middlesboro of spain!

[daithi81]

Red Star.

[The Zurich Connection]

Are ManYooers not embarrassed by that shite?


They clutch on to it.

[REMIMUFC]

totally...

..not related to man utd, but sky had a big hoo-haa about David James having the most top flight appearences ever....but of course they were only counting the premiership...Peter Shilton played about 300 games more but is ignored...a joke

aewsll as not acknowledging setanta sky dont acknowledge football before premiership

[johnmcork]

this says it all really;

Irish Times today;

Ronaldo blames tactics for Rome reversal

Cristiano Ronaldo felt Manchester United's tactics were 'not good' during the club's 2-0 defeat by Barcelona in the final of the Champions League.

United set out at the Stadio Olimpico with the same formation which overcame Arsenal in the semi-finals, with Ryan Giggs replacing the suspended Darren Fletcher.

However, after a positive start, the Premier League champions failed to recover from conceding a 10th minute Samuel Eto'o goal and were outplayed for the remainder of the game.

Alex Ferguson altered his tactics at half-time by bringing on Carlos Tevez for Anderson, but the change failed to improve United's performance.

Ronaldo started the match up front before moving out to the wing and the Portuguese ace felt 'everything went wrong'.

"I cannot explain. We, the players, were not well, the tactics were not good... everything went wrong.

"We have to give credit to Barcelona, but they were a bit lucky to be here because Chelsea did not deserve to lose and no-one has mentioned that.

"I have to congratulate Barcelona, they were better, but football is just like this: only the winners get talked about."

The former Sporting Lisbon man also refused to comment on his future amid fresh reports linking Real Madrid with a renewed interest in his services.

He added: "My future now is the national squad, so that we can win, so that we can be in a good position in our qualifying group.

"About clubs, I do not want to talk about that, I want to rest, go on holiday, I am very tired, I have played a lot of games, a lot of pressure.

[johnmcork]

of course their most ardent fans don't even live in europe;

Irishtimes.com today;

Man Utd fan kills four in Nigeria

A Manchester United fan in Nigeria killed four people when he drove his minibus into a crowd of Barcelona supporters after his team lost the Champions League final, police said today.

The crowd in the town of Ogbo were celebrating Barcelona's victory after last night's match when the bus drove into them. A police spokeswoman said 10 people were injured and the driver was arrested.

"The driver had passed the crowd then made a U-turn and ran into them," she said.

Barcelona beat Manchester United 2-0 in what was hailed as a "dream final" between two of Europe's best clubs. Both teams have large fan bases in Nigeria, Africa's most populous nation.

Reuters

[Lewis Hamiltons Hat]

even man utd fans in nigeria have no class.
at least the arsenal fan just killed himself.

[Lewis Hamiltons Hat]

this says it all really;

Irish Times today;

Ronaldo blames tactics for Rome reversal

Cristiano Ronaldo felt Manchester United's tactics were 'not good' during the club's 2-0 defeat by Barcelona in the final of the Champions League.

United set out at the Stadio Olimpico with the same formation which overcame Arsenal in the semi-finals, with Ryan Giggs replacing the suspended Darren Fletcher.

However, after a positive start, the Premier League champions failed to recover from conceding a 10th minute Samuel Eto'o goal and were outplayed for the remainder of the game.

Alex Ferguson altered his tactics at half-time by bringing on Carlos Tevez for Anderson, but the change failed to improve United's performance.

Ronaldo started the match up front before moving out to the wing and the Portuguese ace felt 'everything went wrong'.

"I cannot explain. We, the players, were not well, the tactics were not good... everything went wrong.

"We have to give credit to Barcelona, but they were a bit lucky to be here because Chelsea did not deserve to lose and no-one has mentioned that.

"I have to congratulate Barcelona, they were better, but football is just like this: only the winners get talked about."

The former Sporting Lisbon man also refused to comment on his future amid fresh reports linking Real Madrid with a renewed interest in his services.

He added: "My future now is the national squad, so that we can win, so that we can be in a good position in our qualifying group.

"About clubs, I do not want to talk about that, I want to rest, go on holiday, I am very tired, I have played a lot of games, a lot of pressure.

ronaldo is gone, he normally crys when it hurts!!!

[Killyoursons]

After yesterday, I really never want to hear the phrase "aiming to be the first team to retain the Champions' League" again.

I mean, yeah, technically, but...

To be fair, setting aside the hype, retaining the CL would be a hell of an achievement. A lot of very fine teams have failed to do so, which suggests that it's harder to retain it then back in the Champion's Cup days.

[The Zurich Connection]

To be fair, setting aside the hype, retaining the CL would be a hell of an achievement. A lot of very fine teams have failed to do so, which suggests that it's harder to retain it then back in the Champion's Cup days.


That is, of course nonsense. You play good teams at the highest level at that time as at any time. Same as you do now. If you're good enough you win... if not....

[STEVIEG]

To be fair, setting aside the hype, retaining the CL would be a hell of an achievement. A lot of very fine teams have failed to do so, which suggests that it's harder to retain it then back in the Champion's Cup days.

Less of the common sense please you are looking out of place

[Bin Hex 12]

Champion's Cup.?

[STEVIEG]

That's what many used to call it



Must kill Gilesy that he never won it


But then again, he didn't win that much overall

[northmallexile]

To be fair, setting aside the hype, retaining the CL would be a hell of an achievement. A lot of very fine teams have failed to do so, which suggests that it's harder to retain it then back in the Champion's Cup days.

Which is why I don't mind sentences such as "the first to retain the Cup in the Champions League era". There's a subtle difference. The far more prevalent former makes it sound like it's never been done, ever.

[wayne gayle]

this says it all really;

Irish Times today;

Ronaldo blames tactics for Rome reversal

Cristiano Ronaldo felt Manchester United's tactics were 'not good' during the club's 2-0 defeat by Barcelona in the final of the Champions League.

United set out at the Stadio Olimpico with the same formation which overcame Arsenal in the semi-finals, with Ryan Giggs replacing the suspended Darren Fletcher.

However, after a positive start, the Premier League champions failed to recover from conceding a 10th minute Samuel Eto'o goal and were outplayed for the remainder of the game.

Alex Ferguson altered his tactics at half-time by bringing on Carlos Tevez for Anderson, but the change failed to improve United's performance.

Ronaldo started the match up front before moving out to the wing and the Portuguese ace felt 'everything went wrong'.

"I cannot explain. We, the players, were not well, the tactics were not good... everything went wrong.

"We have to give credit to Barcelona, but they were a bit lucky to be here because Chelsea did not deserve to lose and no-one has mentioned that.

"I have to congratulate Barcelona, they were better, but football is just like this: only the winners get talked about."

The former Sporting Lisbon man also refused to comment on his future amid fresh reports linking Real Madrid with a renewed interest in his services.

He added: "My future now is the national squad, so that we can win, so that we can be in a good position in our qualifying group.

"About clubs, I do not want to talk about that, I want to rest, go on holiday, I am very tired, I have played a lot of games, a lot of pressure.

Tsk,tsk, ah ya poor lamb. In fairness to the wanker he did congratulate Barca but I guarantee you he will slag off Ferguson once he is safely ensconced in Madrid (if he moves). His ego won't be able to take being shown up by Messi last night, mark my words.

[STEVIEG]

Which is why I don't mind sentences such as "the first to retain the Cup in the Champions League era". There's a subtle difference. The far more prevalent former makes it sound like it's never been done, ever.

Anyone who says first team to retain the Champions Cup or European Cup is basically a bit slow

everyone knows loads of teams have retained it many times when it was the trophy that only Champions could enter

I haven't heard this phrase once

Most who have mentioned it will have supplemented it with a phrase such as "in the modern era"

It is a credit to the modern day version that no team has retained it though

[northmallexile]

Anyone who says first team to retain the Champions Cup or European Cup is basically a bit slow

everyone knows loads of teams have retained it many times when it was the trophy that only Champions could enter

I haven't heard this phrase once

Most who have mentioned it will have supplemented it with a phrase such as "in the modern era"

It is a credit to the modern day version that no team has retained it though

No? "First team to retain the Champions League" has been pretty much a constant on the BBC news channels and ITV over the past few days. I even heard "first team to retain the trophy" a few times.

Anyway, I realise all this "football began in 1992" stuff has been done to death on here, so I'll say no more about it.

[STEVIEG]

No? "First team to retain the Champions League" has been pretty much a constant on the BBC news channels and ITV over the past few days. I even heard "first team to retain the trophy" a few times.

Anyway, I realise all this "football began in 1992" stuff has been done to death on here, so I'll say no more about it.

"The first team to retain the Champions league" phrase is a fact

Anyone who says (first to retain) Champions Cup or European Cup is pretty stupid though

But it is the same thing ultimately and it all counts as the one trophy


That's why teams like Barca and United have to catch up on the top tier

[POL]

"The first team to retain the Champions league" phrase is a fact

Anyone who says Champions Cup or European Cup is pretty stupid though

But it is the same thing ultimately and it all counts as the one trophy


That's why teams like Barca and United have to catch up on the top tier

stop talking bollix stevie

[STEVIEG]

stop talking bollix stevie

What part?

You will find I am 100% correct

[The Black Knight]

Tsk,tsk, ah ya poor lamb. In fairness to the wanker he did congratulate Barca but I guarantee you he will slag off Ferguson once he is safely ensconced in Madrid (if he moves). His ego won't be able to take being shown up by Messi last night, mark my words.

Absolutely.

As my buddy said, he had a few wild shots in the first ten minutes of the game and was doing OK. The remaining 80 minutes he just spent admiring himself on the big screen.

[northmallexile]

"The first team to retain the Champions league" phrase is a fact


It's a misnomer, though. "First team to retain the trophy in the Champions League era" would be far more accurate, but isn't said as often.

(If I wanted to stir, I'd compare it to a hypothetical situation where the GAA rebranded the All-Irelands after the back door was introduced, leading to claims that teams like Limerick had never won the 'Special Irelandy Hurling Trophy'. It'd be technically accurate, like. I don't want to stir, though, so I won't.)

[STEVIEG]

It's a misnomer, though. "First team to retain the trophy in the Champions League era" would be far more accurate, but isn't said as often.


That's precisely what i am saying



It is like a Man United fan boasting about how their record is 11-2 rather than 18-3

I haven't heard 11-2 mentioned once (proper order)

it is 18-3

Football began long before 1992/93


as for Giles, he is just bitter that the likes of Ronaldo have won far more at 24 than he ever got near

if his Leeds team had more bottle he would have had a greater chance

Bet ye he will never get asked about that by Bill or Eamon though

[DogTheLangerHunter]

Nice edit Stevie.

[Lamps]

Coventry FA cup hero Mickey Gynn won far more than Tom Finney.

FACT

[STEVIEG]

Nice edit Stevie.

When you are dealing with the likes of Pol it is best to keep it simple

[STEVIEG]

Coventry FA cup hero Mickey Gynn won far more than Tom Finney.

FACT

Tom Finney didn't make a 30 year career for himself as a media expert on football though

[Jim Comic]

That's precisely what i am saying



It is like a Man United fan boasting about how their record is 11-2 rather than 18-3

I haven't heard 11-2 mentioned once (proper order)

it is 18-3

Football began long before 1992/93


as for Giles, he is just bitter that the likes of Ronaldo have won far more at 24 than he ever got near

if his Leeds team had more bottle he would have had a greater chance

Bet ye he will never get asked about that by Bill or Eamon though


I don't think giles comes across as being bitter at all, i've always found him to be one of the better pundits out there i.m.o.

[STEVIEG]

I don't think giles comes across as being bitter at all, i've always found him to be one of the better pundits out there i.m.o.

Well he is no Liam Brady, that's for sure


But there is a begrudgery of "fancy-dan" players such as Ronaldo and Ronaldinho


These are players, who like it or not, bring entertainment and the likes of Giles often refers to the amount of cash they make, which in my opinion is irrelevant as long as they do it on the pitch (in his era, Garrincha, Best and more were like that)

When they don't fair enough (last night for example)

The whole "people think football began in 1992" argument is out of order too (or i must be reading the wrong papers)


any cursory look at the papers or tv recently will have told people that Man United finally equalled Liverpools amazing title haul of 18


They are still behind (well behind in European Cups) and anyone who argues otherwise is deluded

[Lamps]

You've got a serious bee in your bonnet over Giles Stevie, a very serious bee in your bonnet indeed

[POL]

Giles has stevie rattled

[STEVIEG]

You've got a serious bee in your bonnet over Giles Stevie, a very serious bee in your bonnet indeed

He is never ever questioned

His Leeds teams were dirty hackers and as good as he was he never won much, despite playing in good teams


The likes of Dunphy worship at his altar but his playing career (and indeed management career) could have been much better

It is much easier to sit in the studio and criticise players who he claims are over-rated
But was he a little over-rated himself?

PS-he is still a good enough pundit, far superior to anyone on Sky or BBC

[KD Langer]

He is never ever questioned

His Leeds teams were dirty hackers and as good as he was he never won much, despite playing in good teams


The likes of Dunphy worship at his altar but his playing career (and indeed management career) could have been much better

It is much easier to sit in the studio and criticise players who he claims are over-rated
But was he a little over-rated himself?

PS-he is still a good enough pundit, far superior to anyone on Sky or BBC

i don't know, but anyone i talk to who was around at the time reckons he was a terrific player.

[STEVIEG]

Of course he was


but he certainly wasn't an all time great

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=141 671&highlight=johnny+gil es

[Bennyton]

Real Madrid 5 TIMES IN A FUCKING ROW!!!!!

yeah but theyre a loada cunts too like..

[Lamps]

If you consider Keane an all time great, you have to consider Giles one as he was a far better player.

I have this on good authority from loads of older lads

[KD Langer]

If you consider Keane an all time great, you have to consider Giles one as he was a far better player.

I have this on good authority from loads of older lads

all time great is reserved for 3 players for me. they being maradona zidane and possibly maldini. messi will get there too i think.

<talking about players i've seen>

[POL]

Keane was only a poor mans Giles

[KD Langer]

Keane was only a poor mans Giles

gone up so in your estimation has he?

[C Montgomery Bones]

Giles has stevie rattled

Rattled big time!!!!!!!!

[DogTheLangerHunter]

Souness is far worse than Giles though.

He belongs on Sky.

[STEVIEG]

Rattled big time!!!!!!!!

feel free to about Giles playing career here

Or add to the myth

[3pointplay]

John Giles has rattled the Man United fans it seems.

Talking to old man 3point he was telling me that Giles was a fine player in the day.

But then anyone who supports Man United will tell you football only started in 1993.

[STEVIEG]

John Giles has rattled the Man United fans it seems.

Talking to old man 3point he was telling me that Giles was a fine player in the day.


Did anyone say he wasn't?

But the team he played in were known to bottle it



bet Dunphy will never tell ya that

get googling

[POL]

John Giles has rattled the Man United fans it seems.

Talking to old man 3point he was telling me that Giles was a fine player in the day.

But then anyone who supports Man United will tell you football only started in 1993.In fairness to stevie he started supporting them after the cup winner cup win in 91

[3pointplay]

In fairness to stevie he started supporting them after the cup winner cup win in 91

Makes all the difference so.

I doubt you could find many Man United fans who could tell you about the glory days that were the 80's and an odd FA cup or two.:p:p

[KD Langer]

Did anyone say he wasn't?

But the team he played in were known to bottle it



bet Dunphy will never tell ya that

get googling

well they lost the FA CUP to a second division team in 73, (i think) and the EC to bayern in 75. of course the germans bribed the ref that night :rolleyes:

[KD Langer]

Makes all the difference so.

I doubt you could find many Man United fans who could tell you about the glory days that were the 80's and an odd FA cup or two.:p:p

keep trying pointy............so me newbie might bite, you never know:wink:

[STEVIEG]

Makes all the difference so.

I doubt you could find many Man United fans who could tell you about the glory days that were the 80's and an odd FA cup or two.:p:p

I've been supporting them since about 1978/79 as a kid

Been attending games since 1983

Your mixing up of AC Milan and Inter Milan suggests that sticking to basketball might be a wise option

[truckinhell]

Keane was only a poor mans Giles

Giles was a poor mans Keane

[STEVIEG]

well they lost the FA CUP to a second division team in 73, (i think) and the EC to bayern in 75. of course the germans bribed the ref that night :rolleyes:




Pele step aside



Roll over Maradonna




Zidane, get out of the way

[3pointplay]

I've been supporting them since about 1978/79 as a kid

Been attending games since 1983

Your mixing up of AC Milan and Inter Milan suggests that sticking to basketball might be a wise option

You are the exception and not the rule on here man.
And Barca are handy at the Basketball as well not sure about the Milan teams.

On a side note Manchester is the place to be for Basketball in England right now.

[Jim Comic]

giles won the cup as a man utd player in '63 i think, before going to leeds and won more than most players ever do AND is one of the finest players ireland has EVER produced

i've nothing but respect for the guy

[STEVIEG]

You are the exception and not the rule on here man.
And Barca are handy at the Basketball as well not sure about the Milan teams.

On a side note Manchester is the place to be for Basketball in England right now.

I remember United had a team alright though i'm clueless on the old b-Ball (good sport though)

[STEVIEG]

giles won the cup as a man utd player in '63 i think,

Yup




he was one of Irelands best

No doubt




but hardly a world great

I'm measuring him against the standards he talks about himself
and as someone who likes to blow away the myths made up by the Sky generation his own career deserves the same analysis
To be fair, it is others, not him, who talk him up as one of the great players of his generation
In my opinion he was one of Irelands top 5 ever (from what i have heard and read)
But not a world great

[3pointplay]

I remember United had a team alright though i'm clueless on the old b-Ball (good sport though)

There is a center of excellence over there and talks that we will be sending a team over in the new year, A trip i will be on.:p

[daflange]

can anyone recommend a site for the rte match annalysis with giles dunphy and co.,the best i can get is listening to shaka hislop and robbie mustoe(who da fuck did he even play for) on espn or that scottish twat on fox sports

[KD Langer]

Makes all the difference so.

I doubt you could find many Man United fans who could tell you about the glory days that were the 80's and an odd FA cup or two.:p:p

of course the fact that liverpool won things in the 80's is not the reason why so many thirty somethings chose them as their team at all back then................ ......:rolleyes:

[KD Langer]

can anyone recommend a site for the rte match annalysis with giles dunphy and co.,the best i can get is listening to shaka hislop and robbie mustoe(who da fuck did he even play for) on espn or that scottish twat on fox sports

http://www.rte.ie/sport/index.html

[KD Langer]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/0527/apresmatch_av.html

apres match, quite funny.

[Langer Dan]

Giles is a geriatric bluffer who doesn't even do the most basic research.

The man lives in England ffs.

[3pointplay]

Giles is a geriatric bluffer who doesn't even do the most basic research.

The man lives in England ffs.

He has been getting away with it on tv the last 20 odd years.

[Langer Dan]

Nah the lads are a joke, they're being paid to 'analyse' and they don't even do a google on the teams involved.

How many times in the Euros or WC have we seen John tell us he knows fuck all about a team unless they've one or two players in the premiership?

They're being paid to do a job, they're very funny and entertaining but in terms of knowing their stuff, they're making it up as they go along.

[3pointplay]

Nah the lads are a joke, they're being paid to 'analyse' and they don't even do a google on the teams involved.

How many times in the Euros or WC have we seen John tell us he knows fuck all about a team unless they've one or two players in the premiership?

They're being paid to do a job, they're very funny and entertaining but in terms of knowing their stuff, they're making it up as they go along.

Got to love em for it, Beats the piss poor BBC and SKY.

[blackie]

remember what the dunph said about Pique.

[exileonpatrickstreet]

remember what the dunph said about Pique.

no. what did he say?