coach selection - cork hurlers

[cit_gym_rat]

ok say if the country board agreed to a reelection of the hurling coach for the year, and 4 or 5 individuals go forward for it including gerald mccarty. Then it comes to the vote by the selection board and mccarty is selected. Would the proc be happy with that outcome?

[Youghal Exile]

Ah get out of that.

[RonnyB]

The players cant work with him now, the trust has gone completely.

[cit_gym_rat]

The players cant work with him now, the trust has gone completely.
subsitute gerald mac with another county board yes man?

[RonnyB]

subsitute gerald mac with another county board yes man?

Depends on his successes & abilities as a coach. He will have to have either played or coached to a very high standard to get the job. Thats 1 thing I was reserved about Ger Mac 2 years ago. Justin got more out of the same Waterford players than what he did.

[3pointplay]

ok say if the country board agreed to a reelection of the hurling coach for the year, and 4 or 5 individuals go forward for it including gerald mccarty. Then it comes to the vote by the selection board and mccarty is selected. Would the proc be happy with that outcome?

Save your energy kid in this case you either support the 08 panel or you don't, There appears to be little in the line of a grey area to all this and debate on the players motives are not welcome by some on the PROC.

[Youghal Exile]

subsitute gerald mac with another county board yes man?

Someone that the player's can work with.

[3pointplay]

Someone that the player's can work with.

O'Grady is the man for the job.

[mr m]

Bodybuilder and basketball fan in 'no clue about GAA' Shocker.

[cit_gym_rat]

hold on if you read the fucking gaa players arguements they list there was no election process, i say its all the one they are outvoted in an election process so why have one?

[mr m]

hold on if you read the fucking gaa players arguements they list there was no election process, i say its all the one they are outvoted in an election process so why have one?

Kieran Mulvey.

Arbitration.

You.

Don't

Have.

A.

Clue.

[cit_gym_rat]

yes and the players agreed to arbitration?

[RonnyB]

hold on if you read the fucking gaa players arguements they list there was no election process, i say its all the one they are outvoted in an election process so why have one?

The process didnt exist beyond 1 meeting.

The process was seriously flawed in the 1st place with regards its suggestion by Mulvey.

The idea of putting a man in place is that everyone can agree on him. 2 of the 7 employed with the job of finding a coach did not want the coach suggested by the other members having worked with him for 2 years & fallen back in terms of results & performances.

Shall I go on?

[cit_gym_rat]

The process didnt exist beyond 1 meeting.

The process was seriously flawed in the 1st place with regards its suggestion by Mulvey.

The idea of putting a man in place is that everyone can agree on him. 2 of the 7 employed with the job of finding a coach did not want the coach suggested by the other members having worked with him for 2 years & fallen back in terms of results & performances.

Shall I go on?
and the players getting older had nothing to do with falling back in terms of results and performances?

so 2 out of 7 should have complete say is it?

[mr m]

and the players getting older had nothing to do with falling back in terms of results and performances?

so 2 out of 7 should have complete say is it?

Stick to lifting weights up and down repeatedly whilst checking yourself out in the mirror.

Seriously.

[Rebelred]

hold on if you read the fucking gaa players arguements they list there was no election process, i say its all the one they are outvoted in an election process so why have one?

'We were given a role in the selection process for the Hurling manager for 2009 by Kieran Mulvey in his arbitration findings in early 2008.'

'In good faith, our representatives took part in a number of meetings on behalf of the panel, until it became clear that there was no process really involved.'

'The Board Executive clearly viewed it as a vote, in which they would always have a majority. This was obviously not a "process" by any interpretation of the word'

'There was no process either for the selection of candidates or for their assessment. It has been our view since, that when we had left the "process", it could not legitimately conclude its business without us.'

'We have resisted the temptation to comment on the manger personally. We have been left with no option but to comment on his ability, in our view, as a coach or manager. We would not have had to unless the Board Executive insisted on ramming his selection through.'

[cit_gym_rat]

Stick to lifting weights up and down repeatedly whilst checking yourself out in the mirror.

Seriously.
i think the gaa heads are rattled

[cit_gym_rat]

'We were given a role in the selection process for the Hurling manager for 2009 by Kieran Mulvey in his arbitration findings in early 2008.'

'In good faith, our representatives took part in a number of meetings on behalf of the panel, until it became clear that there was no process really involved.'

'The Board Executive clearly viewed it as a vote, in which they would always have a majority. This was obviously not a "process" by any interpretation of the word'

'There was no process either for the selection of candidates or for their assessment. It has been our view since, that when we had left the "process", it could not legitimately conclude its business without us.'

'We have resisted the temptation to comment on the manger personally. We have been left with no option but to comment on his ability, in our view, as a coach or manager. We would not have had to unless the Board Executive insisted on ramming his selection through.'
im saying if there was an election process are the players going to strike again if they dont get who they want?

oh wait this isnt a strike this is refusing to play

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[cit_gym_rat]

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can you spell rattlement ?

[RonnyB]

and the players getting older had nothing to do with falling back in terms of results and performances?

so 2 out of 7 should have complete say is it?

5 out of 7 should consider the views of the 2 with the most knowledge of the coaches abilities with regards his methods against those of 2 or 3 All Ireland winning coaches.

As with the players being older remark, all of the Cork panel are younger than Waterford's Tony Browne. Browne has been one of the countries top half backs in the last 2 years despite being in his mid-30's. Cork arent an old team. O'Neill, Brian Murphy, Gardiner, Cronin, Naughton & Horgan were all under 25 years of age and played against KK. Curran, Kenny & the twins were all under 30. None of the panel were over 32. When properly prepared this age argument concerning the Cork team is a myth.

As for the results, well what do we expect to gt when the coach doesnt know who some of the players play their club hurling with, havent a clue on what contribution they made to certain games (Pa Cronin made 'a great run' according to Ger Mac in a game which Cronin was not even at) and finally when the coach doesnt know the name of a panelist who is only 1 of 3 goalkeepers at training.

Think the word I'm looking for is Pwned.

[SPOGGEM]

Fuck McCarthy out and let the players coach the team...they seem to know everything anyway.

Let the lunatics run the asylum.

They'll strike again and again if they're allowed to get away with this. In two or three years time they'll take a dislike to some other aspect of the set up and they'll do it again if they get their way this time.

[rebel chick]

ok say if the country board agreed to a reelection of the hurling coach for the year, and 4 or 5 individuals go forward for it including gerald mccarty. Then it comes to the vote by the selection board and mccarty is selected. Would the proc be happy with that outcome?

noo fucking way i wont support that fucker.it was a pull anyway in the first place aul frank murphys boy got the job ..stick to your rugby n bodybuilding chicken ..i love the way theres still no word from murphy ..theres one common denominator too all the three stricks and it all leads back to FRANK MURPHY

[Rebelred]

Fuck McCarthy out and let the players coach the team...they seem to know everything anyway.

Let the lunatics run the asylum.

They'll strike again and again if they're allowed to get away with this. In two or three years time they'll take a dislike to some other aspect of the set up and they'll do it again if they get their way this time.

so you admit the set up isn't right?

[RonnyB]

Fuck McCarthy out and let the players coach the team...they seem to know everything anyway.

Let the lunatics run the asylum.

They'll strike again and again if they're allowed to get away with this. In two or three years time they'll take a dislike to some other aspect of the set up and they'll do it again if they get their way this time.

Kieran Shannon wrote a superb piece along similar lines with regards the Irish boxing team that went to the Olympics. The coaches were lining up the training that should take place. Everything was in place ready to go only they had to consult 1st with the most important people of all, the boxers themselves. They had a say in the training & were consulted on all matters, I dont need to spell out the results.

John Allen did the same thing in his 2 years in charge of the Cork hurlers. They lost 1 championship game out of 10, and that to a team who havent been beaten in Championship since '05.

The players know what it takes to win All Irelands in the 21st century. The current coach doesnt.

[Youghal Exile]

CIT Gym Rat you are painfully out of your depth on gaa matters now go back to pumping iron.

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[SPOGGEM]

so you admit the set up isn't right?


What the fuck are you on about?

Whether I think the set up is right or not has fuck all to do with it.

This bunch of players think they can rule the roost and have it all their own way, they want to change the county board set up, they want to pick the coach and selectors, they want a say in the picking of the team. If thats the case leave em have it......I TBH couldnt give a fuck.

However if this happens it is inevitable that at some stage in the future they will spit the dummy again (possibly with eachother) and then all this strike bullshit will happen again.

Do you think that every inter county team is 100% happy with the set up they have....like fuck they are but how many go on strike? But its different cos its Cork....Bollocks it is.

They are attempting to set a dangerous precedent. If change is needed and I'm sure it is, they need to engage and not disengage with all concerned. McCarthy left the door open and I reckon if they want to really win out they should go back to a man and do it from within.

Keep you friends close....etc.

[3pointplay]

can you spell rattlement ?

I find that is a good sign i have someone on the ropes when that is the best they can come up with.

Anyway i told you already you are wasting your time with this one, There are way more knuckle draggers posting on this one and if your not with them you are against them.

[Barry K O Bama]

What the fuck are you on about?

Whether I think the set up is right or not has fuck all to do with it.

This bunch of players think they can rule the roost and have it all their own way, they want to change the county board set up, they want to pick the coach and selectors, they want a say in the picking of the team. If thats the case leave em have it......I TBH couldnt give a fuck.

However if this happens it is inevitable that at some stage in the future they will spit the dummy again (possibly with eachother) and then all this strike bullshit will happen again.

Do you think that every inter county team is 100% happy with the set up they have....like fuck they are but how many go on strike? But its different cos its Cork....Bollocks it is.

They are attempting to set a dangerous precedent. If change is needed and I'm sure it is, they need to engage and not disengage with all concerned. McCarthy left the door open and I reckon if they want to really win out they should go back to a man and do it from within.

Keep you friends close....etc.


Go away Ya Tool Box.

When a manager looses the dressingroom - he is history. Thats the way it is and has been for a long time.

Cut out your stupid 'dangerous precedent' rhetoric' - By your logic - The Waterford, Galway and Wexford Players now run the CB in those counties.

Cop yourself on and talk sense and if u're too thick to do this then stop talking, like a good man

[cit_gym_rat]

What the fuck are you on about?

Whether I think the set up is right or not has fuck all to do with it.

This bunch of players think they can rule the roost and have it all their own way, they want to change the county board set up, they want to pick the coach and selectors, they want a say in the picking of the team. If thats the case leave em have it......I TBH couldnt give a fuck.

However if this happens it is inevitable that at some stage in the future they will spit the dummy again (possibly with eachother) and then all this strike bullshit will happen again.

Do you think that every inter county team is 100% happy with the set up they have....like fuck they are but how many go on strike? But its different cos its Cork....Bollocks it is.

They are attempting to set a dangerous precedent. If change is needed and I'm sure it is, they need to engage and not disengage with all concerned. McCarthy left the door open and I reckon if they want to really win out they should go back to a man and do it from within.

Keep you friends close....etc.
exactly


no one here is saying the set up is right

[Barry K O Bama]

Kieran Shannon wrote a superb piece along similar lines with regards the Irish boxing team that went to the Olympics. The coaches were lining up the training that should take place. Everything was in place ready to go only they had to consult 1st with the most important people of all, the boxers themselves. They had a say in the training & were consulted on all matters, I dont need to spell out the results.

John Allen did the same thing in his 2 years in charge of the Cork hurlers. They lost 1 championship game out of 10, and that to a team who havent been beaten in Championship since '05.

The players know what it takes to win All Irelands in the 21st century. The current coach doesnt.

FFS Ronny - You won't get any cigars for that piece of wisdom. He doesn't even know the players names or the clubs they play for - he makes Big Jack look like Jimmy Magee

[SPOGGEM]

Go away Ya Tool Box.

When a manager looses the dressingroom - he is history. Thats the way it is and has been for a long time.
Cut out your stupid 'dangerous precedent' rhetoric' - By your logic - The Waterford, Galway and Wexford Players now run the CB in those counties.

Cop yourself on and talk sense and if u're too thick to do this then stop talking, like a good man

You're talkin to me about rhetoric...heh heh, keep readin the Echo there like a good little gimp you'll get a few more quotes that you can copy and paste onto here.

FFS. Go on away on yer little march there next week wit yer "up the rebels" banner and yer the players are martyrs bullshit, but be sure and hold on to the banner cos you'll need it again next year when sean og and donal og want to go on strike cos they dont like the colour of the free tracksuits.