Munster V Clermont

[Matlock]

So do you think everyone has a valid opinion on every topic?

All i'm saying is that if you have no experience in an area then you shouldn't talk about it.

Experience doesnt have to be playing experience. Surely an interest in a subject gives you the right to comment on it.

I think i would make a great ref ;-)

[raZor]

All wumming aside. I've had dealings with rog and several other munster players through work and he's always come across as a bollix. I've yet to meet someone with a good word to say about him. O' Connell on the other hand is actually a lovely fella.

Interesting, I'd agree with some of the other players being bollixes most notably fringe players, the few times I've met ROG he's seemed sound enough.

[Eoin]

So do you think everyone has a valid opinion on every topic?

All i'm saying is that if you have no experience in an area then you shouldn't talk about it.

Bollocks, by that logic, historians shouldn't talk about an era they never lived in because they never experienced it first hand.

[HappyMonday83]

cudmore came in for afters pure and simple. do you think o'connell should have just taken the beating and done nothing? if you think that the philosophy at charleville rfc must have changed quite a bit since i played with them. also, o'connel was bleeding and cudmore looked unscathed. it doesn't matter if his mother was insulted, if he got a sneaky slap or whatever, his reaction was mental, over the top and he'll be cited so all your personal rucking experience won't matter a bit when the erc get hold of him.

also; i can drive a car so, obviously, i know exactly how to win at silverstone

As i've said already, if I were in o'connells position I probably would have done the same thing, but I would have expected a red for my troubles.

P.S. the philosophy at charleville has changed. We now try to spread the ball whenever possible.

[KD Langer]

Bollocks, by that logic, historians shouldn't talk about an era they never lived in because they never experienced it first hand.

doesn't stop him commenting on drug use even though he's never tried any.........

[Keith Talent]

At least we won wha'

[Proinsias]

I believe that I would be considered to be an expert witness, thus what i've said would be taken into account.

The only people who know what happened were those in the ruck, but anyone who's played the game will recognize that reaction a mile off. When fellas come out of a scrum or a ruck punching it's not because they were tickling each-other.
It wasn't a ruck.

If you think that was a ruck, I challenge your assertion that you're even vaguely close to an expert on rugby. If you can't tell thedifference between a tackle and a ruck, then I'd leave Mattie alone if I was you.
That clip shows nothing frank. From the best angle all you can see is o'connells back. All you can see is o'connell running in one side and by the time he comes out the other cudmore is well and truly pissed off. I'm not defending cudmore by any means but i'm fairly sure there was a bit more than pushing going on. He acted like that everytime someone pushed him in a ruck I doubt he'd still be playing rugby.

He stood with his hands on his hips at the top of the picture, sauntered down and looked to get a few digs into the munster man on the ground.

Then O'Connell cleared him out.

Clear as day what happens the whole way through.

[Eoin]

doesn't stop him commenting on drug use even though he's never tried any.........

lol, exactly!

[johnmcork]

As i've said already, if I were in o'connells position I probably would have done the same thing, but I would have expected a red for my troubles.

P.S. the philosophy at charleville has changed. We now try to spread the ball whenever possible.

i hear ye're the bah bahs of the J2

[HappyMonday83]

Bollocks, by that logic, historians shouldn't talk about an era they never lived in because they never experienced it first hand.

By my logic historians should talk about the past as they have studied it and are the most qualified to do so. Were as a person who thinks 300 is a reenactment should keep their opinions to themselves.

[Eoin]

By my logic historians should talk about the past as they have studied it and are the most qualified to do so. Were as a person who thinks 300 is a reenactment should keep their opinions to themselves.

So historians have studied history so can talk about it and offer an opinion. But a person can't look at rugby and learn all about it and do the same?

hmmmmmmmmmm, you're contradicting yourself there.

[HappyMonday83]

It wasn't a ruck.

If you think that was a ruck, I challenge your assertion that you're even vaguely close to an expert on rugby. If you can't tell thedifference between a tackle and a ruck, then I'd leave Mattie alone if I was you.


He stood with his hands on his hips at the top of the picture, sauntered down and looked to get a few digs into the munster man on the ground.

Then O'Connell cleared him out.

Clear as day what happens the whole way through.

There was a tackle then to clermont lads went digging for the ball. That's a ruck.

[Edmund Blackwater]

I feel entitled to talk about rugby because i own a 4x4 and once killed a hooker.

[HappyMonday83]

So historians have studied history so can talk about it and offer an opinion. But a person can't look at rugby and learn all about it and do the same?

hmmmmmmmmmm, you're contradicting yourself there.

Historians are experts in their field.

Your average pint swilling munster is not a expert on rugby. The vast majority have never even played the game.

[HappyMonday83]

i hear ye're the bah bahs of the J2

Pretty much. Plus we robbed Clanwilliam yesterday.

[Keith Talent]

Pretty much. Plus we robbed Clanwilliam yesterday.

You got a yellow, one of their lads got a red?

[johnmcork]

i never played pro soccer but i still can make the assessment that ronaldo is a wanker and will be found out.
i played rugby and i know that cudmore is a troublemaker.
if paul o'connell took it without a whimper they would have looked like they were being bullied on their own patch. the ref knew that and took approriate action. they're allowed that bit of autonomy and rightly so. it was a brave call but a right one in my own opinion.

[Matlock]

You got a yellow, one of their lads got a red?

heh heh heh

[Proinsias]

There was a tackle then to clermont lads went digging for the ball. That's a ruck.

Only a ruck when a player from both sides is there.


A tackled player, a tackler and a defending player does not make a ruck.


From page 62 of the IRB copy of the laws of the game (to be found here http://www.irb.com/mm/Document/LawsRegs/0/COMPLETELAWSEnglish2 008_6019.pdf):

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4664/atackle2pp6.jpg

Are you going to disagree with the IRB now?

Seriously, if you're going to try claiming intellectual superiority, know what the fuck you're taling about.

[Eoin]

Oh dear!!

[cantankerous bastard]

Secondly, why did cudmore start throwing punches? I've been playing and watching rugby for a good while now and i've never seen a player start boxing like that for no reason. I don't condone his actions, i'm merely stating that something happened in that ruck that he took exception to.

Finally, I've hit more rucks than you've had hot dinners.

Horseshit. I have seen that millions of times.

You're so full of shit like. If POC hadnt have hit back it'd be 'POCs a pussy', if he had and got a red card it'd be 'POCs a disgrace', as it is its 'POC should have seen red'. Anything goes in the 'anything but support munster' club.

I was delighted with POCs response, if he'd have let himself get leathered and done nothing he'd have signed his own death warrant in rucks from now till retirement.

The message out of the incident was "Im smarter than you because I drew the refs attention and didnt react, then I beat the shit out of you anyway", in the battlefield of the forwards thats perfectly acceptable code of honour.

[cantankerous bastard]

Hilarious reading the last few pages kids, another unbelievable win for Munster when backs were to the wall and all the moany spastics on here can manage is a whinge about the fact Paul O'Connell fighting back after getting punched in the face numerous times is a travesty.

[Mick Lyons]

Horseshit. I have seen that millions of times.

You're so full of shit like. If POC hadnt have hit back it'd be 'POCs a pussy', if he had and got a red card it'd be 'POCs a disgrace', as it is its 'POC should have seen red'. Anything goes in the 'anything but support munster' club.

I was delighted with POCs response, if he'd have let himself get leathered and done nothing he'd have signed his own death warrant in rucks from now till retirement.

The message out of the incident was "Im smarter than you because I drew the refs attention and didnt react, then I beat the shit out of you anyway", in the battlefield of the forwards thats perfectly acceptable code of honour.

I must have missed this bit.

[Edmund Blackwater]

I must have missed this bit.
That bit was only shown on pub-cam.

[HappyMonday83]

Only a ruck when a player from both sides is there.


A tackled player, a tackler and a defending player does not make a ruck.


From page 62 of the IRB copy of the laws of the game (to be found here http://www.irb.com/mm/Document/LawsRegs/0/COMPLETELAWSEnglish2 008_6019.pdf):

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4664/atackle2pp6.jpg

Are you going to disagree with the IRB now?

Seriously, if you're going to try claiming intellectual superiority, know what the fuck you're taling about.
I have the rule book on my desktop already. Have a look at that clip, I think you'll find that there were munster players in there as well.

[Carmona]

No, Backwater, your lad GrumpyMonday's been banging on about it for a few pages. "If he hadn't continued on the ground I'd understand" Blah, fuckin blah. Cantank summed it up well there in two posts.

Bunch a whingy fuckers that's all ye are.

[KD Langer]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9935/pwned3b4627fej9.jpg

[HappyMonday83]

Horseshit. I have seen that millions of times.

You're so full of shit like. If POC hadnt have hit back it'd be 'POCs a pussy', if he had and got a red card it'd be 'POCs a disgrace', as it is its 'POC should have seen red'. Anything goes in the 'anything but support munster' club.

I was delighted with POCs response, if he'd have let himself get leathered and done nothing he'd have signed his own death warrant in rucks from now till retirement.

The message out of the incident was "Im smarter than you because I drew the refs attention and didnt react, then I beat the shit out of you anyway", in the battlefield of the forwards thats perfectly acceptable code of honour.

As i've said a few times in this thread now. In that situation I probably would have done the same. Cudmore acted like a scumbag and fully deserved however many slaps o'connell landed, but the rules are fairly clear on punching. Just because he was morally right doesn't mean he shouldn't have gotten red.

[Mick Lyons]

That bit was only shown on pub-cam.

It is now part of official lore. (Imagine a discussion between 2 binmen here).
"Do ya remember the day big Paul bate that Canadian lad up over the Ballynanty end. Lidgind!"

[Matlock]

It is now part of official lore. (Imagine a discussion between 2 binmen here).
"Do ya remember the day big Paul bate that Canadian lad up over the Ballynanty end. Lidgind!"

heh

heh

heh

[Proinsias]

I have the rule book on my desktop already. Have a look at that clip, I think you'll find that there were munster players in there as well.

Look, you're backtracking. You clearly misunderstood the difference between a ruck and a tackle.

Even when I explained it clearly to you, you wouldn't agree with me.

I think Mattie deserves an apology.

[HappyMonday83]

Look, you're backtracking. You clearly misunderstood the difference between a ruck and a tackle.

Even when I explained it clearly to you, you wouldn't agree with me.

I think Mattie deserves an apology.
http://i35.tinypic.com/fz5l52.jpg

It looks like a ruck to me frank.

[Proinsias]

http://i35.tinypic.com/fz5l52.jpg

It looks like a ruck to me frank.

If you wish to get picky about it, this is the exact point where the referee first blew his whistle.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6801/rucksm0.jpg

You wanna tell me this is a ruck?

Anything else is not a ruck, play has technically stopped.

It's why Cudmore just walked over to it and came in from the "side."

[HappyMonday83]

If you wish to get picky about it, this is the exact point where the referee first blew his whistle.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6801/rucksm0.jpg

You wanna tell me this is a ruck?

Anything else is not a ruck, play has technically stopped.

It's why Cudmore just walked over to it and came in from the "side."

Yes the whistle had gone, but those few players continued and they went rucking.

Technically O' Connell should definitely gotten a red as throwing a punch is supposed to be a red card.

[Proinsias]

Yes the whistle had gone, but those few players continued and they went rucking.

Technically O' Connell should definitely gotten a red as throwing a punch is supposed to be a red card.

Still wasn't a ruck.

They could gone off and made a scrum, a lineout or taken a few shots at goal. If the referee's whistle has gone, play has stopped.

Look, it wasn't a ruck.

You keep insisting it was but the initial scuffle on the ground wouldn't have been a ruck and play had stopped.
On both counts, no ruck.

Or do they score tries at half time down in Charleville and try to insist that they count towards the game?
You kept berating Mattie about not knowing the rules and yet blowing on about rucks.

In saying that, I've seen it happen in Clonakilty, where one team score with the other team having left the field...

[HappyMonday83]

Still wasn't a ruck.

They could gone off and made a scrum, a lineout or taken a few shots at goal. If the referee's whistle has gone, play has stopped.

Look, it wasn't a ruck.

You keep insisting it was but the initial scuffle on the ground wouldn't have been a ruck and play had stopped.
On both counts, no ruck.

Or do they score tries at half time down in Charleville and try to insist that they count towards the game?
You kept berating Mattie about not knowing the rules and yet blowing on about rucks.

In saying that, I've seen it happen in Clonakilty, where one team score with the other team having left the field...
Just because the ref blows his whistle the universe doesn't cease to exist until he starts the clock again. Had the players gone and done a few lineouts, they would still be lineouts frank. They just wouldn't be counted.

So what you're saying to me is that if 16 lads went down is scrum formation and started pushing and all of that it can't be considered a scrum because a ref never blew a whistle?

So when you're at training at the coach tells ye to do a few lineouts, you tell him ye can't because you need a referee with a whistle first?

Normally this is were i'd lay claim to pwnage, but seeing as you're one of the few lads here who knows what they're talking about, i'll put that sham of a post down as being you standing up for mattie.


O' Connell should have got red and you know it. If punching a fella on the ground isn't a red card then what is?

[Proinsias]

Just because the ref blows his whistle the universe doesn't cease to exist until he starts the clock again. Had the players gone and done a few lineouts, they would still be lineouts frank. They just wouldn't be counted.

So what you're saying to me is that if 16 lads went down is scrum formation and started pushing and all of that it can't be considered a scrum because a ref never blew a whistle?

So when you're at training at the coach tells ye to do a few lineouts, you tell him ye can't because you need a referee with a whistle first?

Normally this is were i'd lay claim to pwnage, but seeing as you're one of the few lads here who knows what they're talking about, i'll put that sham of a post down as being you standing up for mattie.


O' Connell should have got red and you know it. If punching a fella on the ground isn't a red card then what is?
*snigger*

Anyway, it's a judgement call by the ref on the punching. Always has been. It's what created the most notorious call in rugby history, the ninety nine.

_SFCnzf1-5U&NR

I would say violent use of the boot, headbutting, kneeing, elbowing, biting, kicking and gouging are all immediate red cards.

[HappyMonday83]

*snigger*

Anyway, it's a judgement call by the ref on the punching. Always has been. It's what created the most notorious call in rugby history, the ninety nine.



I would say violent use of the boot, headbutting, kneeing, elbowing, biting, kicking and gouging are all immediate red cards.

Well the 99 was there because the ref is never going to send off 7 or 8 lads, which he'd have had to do if he sent off one player.

I believe the ref should use some desecration when it comes to punches as most of the time they're merely handbags. What we saw on saturday was different. Cudmore acted like a scobe and what O' Connell did was more than self defense. He was giving cudmore everything he had on the ground and the ref asked him a few times to let go. Had he not being in thomond, he would have been off. Of that i'm sure.

[Carmona]

Just because the ref blows his whistle the universe doesn't cease to exist until he starts the clock again. Had the players gone and done a few lineouts, they would still be lineouts frank. They just wouldn't be counted.

So what you're saying to me is that if 16 lads went down is scrum formation and started pushing and all of that it can't be considered a scrum because a ref never blew a whistle?

So when you're at training at the coach tells ye to do a few lineouts, you tell him ye can't because you need a referee with a whistle first?
Normally this is were i'd lay claim to pwnage, but seeing as you're one of the few lads here who knows what they're talking about, i'll put that sham of a post down as being you standing up for mattie.


O' Connell should have got red and you know it. If punching a fella on the ground isn't a red card then what is?

Mate you really, REALLY, REALLY should stop now.

[Proinsias]

Mate you really, REALLY, REALLY should stop now.

Maybe he should have joined in with that infamous scrum that occured on the streets of cardiff after the Heineken Cup win.


Heeeeeeaaaavvvveeee.

[raZor]

This has been a poor day for HM83 his copybook has been well blotted.

[cit_gym_rat]

Cudmore got a red card not for the fight with o'connoll but after that was broke up you can see on the sky coverage himself and DOC face to face as the camera goes off of the two of them, cudmore jabs dunners 3 times

[liam2me]

Cudmore got a red card not for the fight with o'connoll but after that was broke up you can see on the sky coverage himself and DOC face to face as the camera goes off of the two of them, cudmore jabs dunners 3 times
correct, the ref clearly stated this. otherwise it would have been 2 yellows.

HM and his barstool knowledge of rugby getting a serious beating in this thread

[Langer Dan]

correct, the ref clearly stated this. otherwise it would have been 2 yellows.

HM and his barstool knowledge of rugby getting a serious beating in this thread

Spotted those digs off the ball myself, what did ya make of the game yerself Liammo?

[liam2me]

thought it was a great game myself, especially if you were a neutral who cares about rugby. Best team over 75 mins lost, but that's the inexperience Clermont didn't have before the game that they will have now that should make them serious contenders next season. Munster didn't play anywhere near their best but you can't put that solely down to them having an off day, Clermont didn't let them play in a very Munster-like fashion. Munster's defence was excellent though, 1 try conceded with 11% possession camped in their own 22 says it all really

I think it was a huge mistake not starting Ledesma, he's such a good player, dare I say one of the best hookers in the world at present, especially on club form. TOL's tackle was not only immense but a huge turning point.

O'gara finding his tackling hands couldn't have come at a better time, he deserved MOM for his defence alone (and it kept your anti-munster mob quiet today as well)

Munster should top the group now, but it's a good thing that they don't have to play HEC this weekend because their will be some very sore bodies

[Langer Dan]

thought it was a great game myself, especially if you were a neutral who cares about rugby. Best team over 75 mins lost, but that's the inexperience Clermont didn't have before the game that they will have now that should make them serious contenders next season. Munster didn't play anywhere near their best but you can't put that solely down to them having an off day, Clermont didn't let them play in a very Munster-like fashion. Munster's defence was excellent though, 1 try conceded with 11% possession camped in their own 22 says it all really

I think it was a huge mistake not starting Ledesma, he's such a good player, dare I say one of the best hookers in the world at present, especially on club form. TOL's tackle was not only immense but a huge turning point.

O'gara finding his tackling hands couldn't have come at a better time, he deserved MOM for his defence alone (and it kept your anti-munster mob quiet today as well)

Munster should top the group now, but it's a good thing that they don't have to play HEC this weekend because their will be some very sore bodies

Well I'd agree with some of your points and I'd disagree with others. Let's be honest Munster had a huge let off.

For me the game game turned on Warwick's decision to run the ball from his own 22, the kicking game had not worked at all to that point and he quite correctly identified that Munster needed ball in hand to have any hope with a mere 6 minutes left on the clock, Horan's try stemmed directly from that phase of play.

It would have been no disservice to Munster to have Clermont walk off twenty point winners on the balance of play , yet they didn't take their chances and left themselvese open to that exact sort of mugging at the end.

You have to take your chances, Clermont didn't and suffered the consequences. I thought ROG had (another) mare, his passing was crisp but his kicking from hand and set plays , traditionally the strong part of his game was abysmal, a few more performances as inept as that and we'l see Warwick at no. 10.

A very lucky win for Munster but a prominent example of playing the 80 minutes.

[liam2me]

Well I'd agree with some of your points and I'd disagree with others. Let's be honest Munster had a huge let off.

For me the game game turned on Warwick's decision to run the ball from his own 22, the kicking game had not worked at all to that point and he quite correctly identified that Munster needed ball in hand to have any hope with a mere 6 minutes left on the clock, Horan's try stemmed directly from that phase of play.

It would have been no disservice to Munster to have Clermont walk off twenty point winners on the balance of play , yet they didn't take their chances and left themselvese open to that exact sort of mugging at the end.

You have to take your chances, Clermont didn't and suffered the consequences. I thought ROG had (another) mare, his passing was crisp but his kicking from hand and set plays , traditionally the strong part of his game was abysmal, a few more performances as inept as that and we'l see Warwick at no. 10.

A very lucky win for Munster but a prominent example of playing the 80 minutes.
yeah, warwick had a good game when he came on, would prefer him to start at FB and have earls at centre with mafi. he'll never start ahead of ROG though

[Brad]

thought it was a great game myself, especially if you were a neutral who cares about rugby. Best team over 75 mins lost, but that's the inexperience Clermont didn't have before the game that they will have now that should make them serious contenders next season. Munster didn't play anywhere near their best but you can't put that solely down to them having an off day, Clermont didn't let them play in a very Munster-like fashion. Munster's defence was excellent though, 1 try conceded with 11% possession camped in their own 22 says it all really

I think it was a huge mistake not starting Ledesma, he's such a good player, dare I say one of the best hookers in the world at present, especially on club form. TOL's tackle was not only immense but a huge turning point.

O'gara finding his tackling hands couldn't have come at a better time, he deserved MOM for his defence alone (and it kept your anti-munster mob quiet today as well)

Munster should top the group now, but it's a good thing that they don't have to play HEC this weekend because their will be some very sore bodies


Was the tackle fair and legal though? Many of the Clermont fans are outraged at the tackle and say it was definitely high. Twas 50/50 i think, could not have complained really if a penalty had been given against us.

[Brad]

Great article.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-feel-force-of-class-bias-1574508.html

A few years back, I interviewed an Irish international rugby player, a Munsterman. Afterwards we had a couple of cups of coffee and one of those off the record chats where you often learn more than you did during the official conversation.

"Do you know what really annoys me," said this anonymous Irish international, "is fellas who keep coming up to me saying, 'You must hate that Brian O'Driscoll, I'd say he's a right b*%&!cks, I'd say you can't stand him'. And the thing is that I like Dric, he's a good guy. I can't understand why people go on like that."

The memory of that conversation is just one reason why I'm hoping Leinster fulfil their promising start and go on to win the Heineken Cup next year. Because when the anonymous Irish international said he didn't know why people went on like that about Brian O'Driscoll, he was speaking rhetorically. I think he knew as well as I did why people thought it would please a Munster hero to hear one of his international team-mates being disparaged.

Munster's saga in the Heineken Cup over the past decade or so has provided sports fans with probably more consistent pleasure than anything else. It has been a long and wonderful trip. But it has also given rise to a culture of denigration towards Leinster which became tiresome a long time ago.

A minority of Munster fans, most of whom I suspect have rarely darkened the precincts of Thomond Park, find it amusing to bang on about the supposed softness, arrogance and general all-round poshness of their provincial rivals.

What amuses a non-rugby person like myself about this is that those caricaturing Leinster in this fashion are hardly horny-handed proletarians themselves. There's nothing sadder than seeing someone cheering against a team rather than for them and it's a pity to see the same sort of ludramauns, who a few years ago regarded it as amusing to describe themselves as ABUs, take delight in Leinster's Heineken Cup slip-ups. You can even, at times, detect less-than-wholehearted support for Leinster players on the national teams.

The average Munster supporter has more sense and is more bothered with what his own team does than what happens with Leinster. Yet even in the media there's sometimes a kind of odd dichotomy evident where Munster stand for everything moral, good and authentic in sport and Leinster stand for the opposite.

That's why I want Leinster to win the Heineken Cup next year as much as I wanted Munster to win it when they were going for their first.

Because the players from the Eastern province have given us all a lot to cheer about both in their own jersey and that of Ireland over the past few years, not least O'Driscoll (who, anyway, is a Skibbereen man ancestrally). And until they lift the Heineken Cup they will remain the most under-estimated and derided team in the country.

So even though the Munster team and support is almost entirely composed of pig gelders, knife grinders, hod carriers, steeplejacks and men who work in the coal mines of Castletroy, Douglas and Montenotte, let's forget class bias and give Leinster their due.

The province of upper class sybarite Trevor Brennan is no less worthy of respect than that of working class hero Ronan O'Gara.

[liam2me]

well i must admit to being slightly less then fond of leinster. But this is not by any means because of their players, even if i do think that some of them are overrated. My dislike of leinster stems solely from the few encounters i have had with leinster fans this side of the water. They always come across as poor losers who have a serious chip on their shoulder, none of whom would celebrate if munster won the HEC, and would actually react in a manner similar to the SFI.

I would always support leinster over other non-irish teams, but knowing a lot of ulster lads and a handful of connacht fans, they are always more down to earth and a better laugh then the leinster fans.

when i think about it, it's not even leinster who i have the slight disliking for, it's the minority of their fans whom i have had the displeasure to come across

[Eoin]

For me the game game turned on Warwick's decision to run the ball from his own 22, the kicking game had not worked at all to that point and he quite correctly identified that Munster needed ball in hand to have any hope with a mere 6 minutes left on the clock, Horan's try stemmed directly from that phase of play.


This is 100% correct, the game was crying out for that break(from a munster perspective), the kicking game was getting them nowhere.

Definitely think Warwick at full, earls to the centre until tipoki is fit again. Although I thought Murphy had a decent enough game, one glaring missed tackle aside.

[Eoin]

If Munster don't win the heineken cup, then nothing would please me more than to see Leinster doing it. I'd definitely never cheer for another team against them.

But there is an element of their fans, as Liam says, who really are complete arseholes.

Of course, every team has its arsehole followers, including Munster.

[Redshirter]

Well I'd agree with some of your points and I'd disagree with others. Let's be honest Munster had a huge let off.

For me the game game turned on Warwick's decision to run the ball from his own 22, the kicking game had not worked at all to that point and he quite correctly identified that Munster needed ball in hand to have any hope with a mere 6 minutes left on the clock, Horan's try stemmed directly from that phase of play.

It would have been no disservice to Munster to have Clermont walk off twenty point winners on the balance of play , yet they didn't take their chances and left themselvese open to that exact sort of mugging at the end.

You have to take your chances, Clermont didn't and suffered the consequences. I thought ROG had (another) mare, his passing was crisp but his kicking from hand and set plays , traditionally the strong part of his game was abysmal, a few more performances as inept as that and we'l see Warwick at no. 10.

A very lucky win for Munster but a prominent example of playing the 80 minutes.

The fact of the matter is if your Fly Half does not play well when you are playing a quality team as Clermont are you are in trouble Ronan O 'Gara had another poor game on saturday as he has had all this season in my opinion he is finished and he should be replaced at No 10 by Paul Warwick

[HappyMonday83]

Maybe he should have joined in with that infamous scrum that occured on the streets of cardiff after the Heineken Cup win.


Heeeeeeaaaavvvveeee.

You know i'm right frank.

[cantankerous bastard]

To be honest on ROGs performance if he'd have kicked all his kicks we'd have had them put to bed.

We were scalping well, getting opportunities and on a normal day would have ground out the win that way.

As he was having a stinker with the boot we had to resort to plan B and win without him by racking up a few tries.

In terms of attack the team won despite, not because, of his performance. Good to show we can still win when he's not hitting the kicks.

[Brad]

Was hoping we would get the Saturday night slot.

FRIDAY 16 JANUARY, 2009
Pool 1 Munster v Sale Sharks 20.00 Sky Sports / Canal+Sport
Pool 1 ASM Clermont Auvergne v Montauban 21.00 Canal+ Sport
Pool 2 Edinburgh v Castres Olympique 19.30

SATURDAY 17 JANUARY, 2009
Pool 2 London Wasps v Leinster 17.35 Sky Sports / Canal+ Sport
Pool 3 Perpignan v Ospreys 16.35 France 2
Pool 3 Leicester Tigers v Benetton Treviso 15.00
Pool 4 Ulster Rugby v Harlequins 13.35 Sky Sports
Pool 5 Toulouse v Glasgow Warriors 14.35 Canal+
Pool 6 Rugby Calvisano v Biarritz Olympique 14.35 Sky Italia

SUNDAY 18 JANUARY, 2009
Pool 4 Scarlets v Stade Français Paris 15.00 S4C* / France 2
Pool 5 Newport Gwent Dragons v Bath Rugby 13.00 Sky Sports
Pool 6 Gloucester Rugby v Cardiff Blues 15.00 Sky Sports

ROUND 6

FRIDAY 23 JANUARY, 2009
Pool 6 Cardiff Blues v Rugby Calvisano 20.00 S4C*/ Sky Sports
Pool 6 Biarritz Olympique v Gloucester Rugby 21.00 Canal+ Sport / Sky Sports

SATURDAY 24 JANUARY, 2009
Pool 1 Sale Sharks v ASM Clermont Auvergne 15.35
Pool 1 Montauban v Munster 16.35 Canal + / Sky Sports
Pool 3 Ospreys v Leicester Tigers 17.35 Sky Sports
Pool 3 Benetton Treviso v Perpignan 18.35 Sky Italia / Canal+ Sport
Pool 4 Stade Français Paris v Ulster Rugby 14.35 France 2 / Sky Sports
Pool 4 Harlequins v Scarlets 13.35 Sky Sports

SUNDAY 25 JANUARY, 2009

Pool 2 Leinster v Edinburgh 13.00 Sky Sports
Pool 2 Castres Olympique v London Wasps 14.00
Pool 5 Bath Rugby v Toulouse 15.00 Sky Sports / France 2
Pool 5 Glasgow Warriors v Newport Gwent Dragons 15.00

* Delayed highlights

QUARTER-FINALS - 10 / 11 / 12 APRIL, 2009
SEMI-FINALS - 1 / 2 / 3 MAY, 2009
14th HEINEKEN CUP FINAL – MURRAYFIELD, EDINBURGH
SATURDAY 23 MAY, 2009 – 17.00

[Eoin]

Was hoping we would get the Saturday night slot.

FRIDAY 16 JANUARY, 2009
Pool 1 Munster v Sale Sharks 20.00 Sky Sports / Canal+Sport


Balls, what a pain in the hole.

[tazmaneire]

What an entertaining and informative read over the last 31 pages;).

[POL]

David Wallace is as much a Corkman as Jack Charlton is Irish

[STEVIEG]

What an entertaining and informative read over the last 31 pages;).

You are deemed ready for the next phase


http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=145 099&highlight=blacks

Be warned!

[tazmaneire]

You are deemed ready for the next phase


http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=145 099&highlight=blacks

Be warned!
Sweet mother of god!

[STEVIEG]

Sweet mother of god!

I'm sure there's one or too even more epic ones out there

[POL]

sensational performance from HM83 in this thread

[Coogee]

sensational performance from HM83 in this thread

your about 2 days late bucko...HM83 has been owned and no one from the clan has backed him up....

[POL]

your about 2 days late bucko...HM83 has been owned and no one from the clan has backed him up....
what thread have you been watching?

[Coogee]

what thread have you been watching?

the one where you turn up out of the blue to divert attention from one of your buddys making an ape of himself by spouting your usual crap....what was it this time...a rant about jack charlton being more of an irish man than david wallace being a cork man or some drivel like that....

[liam2me]

Cudmore gets 5 weeks

http://www.planetrugby.com/Story/0,18259,3551_4663926 ,00.html

[Kieranbass]

Cudmore gets 5 weeks

http://www.planetrugby.com/Story/0,18259,3551_4663926 ,00.html

Deservedly so but it might get reduced on appeal...

[cantankerous bastard]

outrageous, he was a lovely guy just smelling the daisies when that thug o'connell went for him.

[POL]

From what i have seen, O'Connell was the instigator

[Arcadia]

From what i have seen, O'Connell was the instigator

Thats righy POLLY*.


*For the sake of peace just go along with this looper and humour him - he's a bit simple.

[Kieranbass]

Thats righy POLLY*.


*For the sake of peace just go along with this looper and humour him - he's a bit simple.

Touch of the parrot about him alright......
























sorry couldn't resist

[raZor]

the one where you turn up out of the blue to divert attention from one of your buddys making an ape of himself by spouting your usual crap....what was it this time...a rant about jack charlton being more of an irish man than david wallace being a cork man or some drivel like that....

POL arrives two days late to defence of his buddy

http://www.mentalacrobatics .com/think/images/mss.jpg

[POL]

I like the way HM83 beat ye so much, the likes of Prionsias spent hours slavishly trawling the next for diagrams and videos to to unsuccessfully ptove his point

[raZor]

I like the way HM83 beat ye so much, the likes of Prionsias spent hours slavishly trawling the next for diagrams and videos to to unsuccessfully ptove his point

Found it in the Mahon Point store eh?

[Carmona]

Found it in the Mahon Point store eh?

He jumped in after the drowning ship (Grumpy in this thread) and we know what happens in those cases, got sucked under himself.

In the last two or three years POL has lost his touch gradually and Lampsie has got smarter. Notice how the latter stayed away from this disaster.

[johnmcork]

From what i have seen, O'Connell was the instigator
ignore this fool

[Proinsias]

I like the way HM83 beat ye so much, the likes of Prionsias spent hours slavishly trawling the next for diagrams and videos to to unsuccessfully ptove his point

Thankfully, if you're familiar with the laws of the game, you know exactly where to go to clarify points like that, where HM83 clearly showed he didn't quite get the difference between a ruck, a tackle situation and where everybody is piling in cause there's a bit of a fight going on.

[POL]

Thankfully, if you're familiar with the laws of the game, you know exactly where to go to clarify points like that, where HM83 clearly showed he didn't quite get the difference between a ruck, a tackle situation and where everybody is piling in cause there's a bit of a fight going on.I think you have said enough on this subject Frankie BOY

[Arcadia]

I think you have said enough on this subject Frankie BOY


Anyone willing to contribute to a fund to pat for the professional help that POL clearly needs and is really crying out for ?

[CathedralRoad]

David Wallace is as much a Corkman as Jack Charlton is Irish

Saint Jack is not Irish???

Next you'll tell me there is no Santa!:silly: