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jd26
19-11-2008, 12:29 PM
Don't let Rupert Murdoch decide Ireland's future

In whose interests did the 'Sunday Times' decide to campaign against the Lisbon Treaty? asks Sarah Carey

ALTHOUGH I spent four years obtaining a degree in history, I really only learned one lesson: when reading anything - newspaper, essay or biography - it's wise to ask oneself: "Who is behind this and what is their agenda?" Sometimes the answer is easy. Everyone has an agenda of some sort, and most of the time they'll be upfront about it. Other times the stated agenda is only a cover, and one has to hunt for hidden motives.

For anyone relying on the Sunday Times for information on its continuing coverage of the Lisbon Treaty, they would do well to ask themselves those two questions. For over three years, I worked for the Irish edition of the Sunday Times, which, like other British newspapers the Sun, News of the World and the Times, plus Sky television, is owned by Rupert Murdoch's News International. During my three years with the Irish edition of the Sunday Times, I was only vaguely aware that it was a distant outpost of Murdoch's empire.

We seemed to be like the hobbits in Lord of the Rings. The Eye of the evil Lord Sauron was rarely fixed on our petty domestic issues and we got on with the business of political and social opinion without any comment from Wapping. Except for Lisbon.

Some months before the date for the referendum was announced, I told Irish editor, Frank Fitzgibbon, that I was eager to write a piece in favour of Lisbon. At the time, we seemed to be in agreement on the political imperative that the treaty be passed, though it's possible I misunderstood his views. We also discussed the fact that Murdoch's well known pro-US-hawkish views would obviously be the opposite, but we shrugged our shoulders.

Time passed, the date was set and I staked my claim to the pro-treaty column. But something had changed. Fitzgibbon told me that not only would I not be writing a pro-treaty column, but no other writer anywhere in the paper would either. This was not a matter for Sarah's precious little ego, but a cover-to-cover ban on any pro-treaty comment. Apparently since our first conversation, Fitzgibbon had looked into his heart and discovered the democratic deficit. From seemingly being in favour of Lisbon, he was now cheerfully banning all opinion favourable to Lisbon from the paper.

He argued that only broadcasters were legally required to present balanced coverage, and that as a privately-owned newspaper the Sunday Times was under no legal obligation to offer opposing views. I countered that while this was legally correct, he was under an ethical obligation to provide an alternative view, especially when that view tallied with the extraordinary political consensus that Lisbon was good for Ireland. He claimed he was under no such obligation - and that was that.

I should have written the column anyway and resigned if he refused to print it. But I was in no financial position to go around resigning on a point of principle, and I backed off. So no kudos to me. Part of me accepted that Fitzgibbon had a point: everyone is entitled to their agenda. The problem only arises - which it did in this case - when it's not really your agenda at all.

In Britain, buying a particular newspaper title is an explicit statement of political allegiance. Here, the lines are blurred and so our sensitivity to the political motives behind editorial policy is dulled. Sure, The Irish Times has its whole Dublin 6-intolerant-liberal thing going on. There is also the problem of a "newsroom culture" in which without any actual coercion, journalists will eagerly adopt each other's views. The Sunday Independent runs brazen campaigns such as the one to canonise Bertie Ahern and demonise Brian Cowen. But even the Sindo has Gene Kerrigan, so regardless of what paper one buys, Irish readers can expect that writers' political agendas will be both upfront and balanced out, allowing them to casually absorb different opinions across the political divide.

This was not the case with the Sunday Times referendum coverage.

When I mentioned to people that there was no pro-Lisbon comment, most professed disbelief but also an admittance that they hadn't really noticed. This lack of awareness was a big part of the problem. It thwarts our ability to process what is honest opinion, what is consensus and what is fact. Context is everything when processing opinion, and only hard-core political Irish readers could place the coverage in the right context.

But the real question is the motivation behind the policy. Politicians and commentators who argued for the Lisbon Treaty did so because they believed it was in Ireland's best interests. Of those who argued against the treaty, some believed they were also acting in the national interest, even if I personally disagree with them. But others cannot say the same. In whose interests did the Sunday Times campaign against the Lisbon Treaty to the exclusion of all favourable comment? Was it because they really believed that Ireland is best served by wrecking the treaty or because Eurosceptic views were imported, or worse, imposed, from Britain?

I'm not saying that anyone who voted No didn't care about Ireland. But I am saying that certain constituencies who argued against Lisbon did so not because they believed it to be the right thing, but for other reasons. If our entire political establishment was dismayed because Lisbon was defeated and the cheers from Wapping were ringing in our ears, doesn't that make anyone wonder whether No was the right answer to the question?

If we're lucky we might get to vote twice on Lisbon, and this time I'll be allowed to argue whatever my opinion happens to be. When reading other people's opinions, it would serve you well to think twice and ask that old Latin question: Cui bono? Who benefits? Us or them?

Let that answer aid your reply to the next question: Yes or No?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/1119/1227026409184.html

Riordan
19-11-2008, 01:10 PM
I decide, you decide, that's how it works.

Yes the media is biased, we know this.

Irish Times/Irish Independent - Yes to Lisbon, Irish Mail/Sunday Times - No to Lisbon.

I voted No, you voted Yes, More people Voted No, The Treaty was Rejected.

johnmcork
19-11-2008, 01:15 PM
libertas are tories

jd26
19-11-2008, 01:51 PM
I decide, you decide, that's how it works.

Yes the media is biased, we know this.

Irish Times/Irish Independent - Yes to Lisbon, Irish Mail/Sunday Times - No to Lisbon.

I voted No, you voted Yes, More people Voted No, The Treaty was Rejected.

The Irish Times carried anti-Lisbon articles bt Vincent Browne, Mary-Lou McDonald etc. The Indo also carried articles from both sides.

The Sunday Times refused to allow any pro-Lisbon comment.

Spot the difference (apart from the one on Irish ownership v foreign ownership).

Of course, only pro-Treaty foreigners like Merkel and Sarkozy are not allowed to make comments on an Irish issue :rolleyes:

Riordan
19-11-2008, 02:01 PM
The Irish Times carried anti-Lisbon articles bt Vincent Browne, Mary-Lou McDonald etc. The Indo also carried articles from both sides.

The Sunday Times refused to allow any pro-Lisbon comment.

Spot the difference (apart from the one on Irish ownership v foreign ownership).

Of course, only pro-Treaty foreigners like Merkel and Sarkozy are not allowed to make comments on an Irish issue :rolleyes:

It is the decision of each voter to decide how the vote, if they choose to read the bias of the Press, that is their choice.

I personally felt that there should have been more comment from Europe during the Referendum. But that's just my opinion and my opinion counts for nothing, what counts are votes.

Riordan
19-11-2008, 02:01 PM
libertas are tories

They would seem to be of that bent, yes.

Some user
19-11-2008, 06:00 PM
I admire Sarah Carey for writing that. I like the Sunday Times but you need to be reminded regularly about the agendas of the owners. Perhaps there should be something to oblige newspapers to provide balanced coverage if they are above a certain level of sales.

The Sunday Indo has its own agendas too (one of the most curious ones seems to be the relentless anti-RTE stance).

Riordan
19-11-2008, 06:05 PM
Perhaps there should be something to oblige newspapers to provide balanced coverage if they are above a certain level of sales.


No, Freedom of the Press.

But I agree fully with what ye lads are saying, you have to bear in mind the Politics behind the papers.

corkoniense
19-11-2008, 06:34 PM
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No, Freedom of the Press.

But I agree fully with what ye lads are saying, you have to bear in mind the Politics behind the papers.

Freedom of the press is vital, but there is nothing stopping the government putting restrictions on foreign owned newspapers. Remember murdoch needed US citizenship to set up over there, a little flag of convenience so that "patriotic" outlets like Fox could be foreign agents.

Riordan
19-11-2008, 06:48 PM
Freedom of the press is vital, but there is nothing stopping the government putting restrictions on foreign owned newspapers. Remember murdoch needed US citizenship to set up over there, a little flag of convenience so that "patriotic" outlets like Fox could be foreign agents.

Yes there is, the principals and law of the common market.

corkoniense
19-11-2008, 07:23 PM
Yes there is, the principals and law of the common market.

public policy exception. I believe this is used in other EU states, altho i'm open to correction.

Look buddy, I'm not opposed to foreign ownership of media titles, just their concentration. Actually, the same goes for domestic media, what with "sir" "Dr" anthony, and his malignant influence on the government of the last ten years.

Riordan
19-11-2008, 07:30 PM
public policy exception. I believe this is used in other EU states, altho i'm open to correction.

Well, I don't think so, but i'm open to correction.

As for a high concentration of British publications, I don't mind the nationality of the person lieing and twisting the issues of the day to their own ends/ideologies.

Lamps
19-11-2008, 10:44 PM
milftastic

pudgee
20-11-2008, 12:36 PM
Freedom of the press is vital, but there is nothing stopping the government putting restrictions on foreign owned newspapers. Remember murdoch needed US citizenship to set up over there, a little flag of convenience so that "patriotic" outlets like Fox could be foreign agents.

Your initial point concerned the government being able to influence content, not ownership.

corkoniense
20-11-2008, 01:10 PM
Your initial point concerned the government being able to influence content, not ownership.

Eh? No it did not. Concentration of ownership is what i'm on about. If I confused that with the issue of foreign or domestic ownership, then I apologise. But I do find it worrying that an Australian-American owned media empire, with Irish editions of British newspapers with a reputation of centuries of hostility towards any streak of Irish nationalism, wields such influence in this country. I think Sarah Carey might finally agree.

pudgee
20-11-2008, 01:25 PM
Eh? No it did not. Concentration of ownership is what i'm on about. If I confused that with the issue of foreign or domestic ownership, then I apologise. But I do find it worrying that an Australian-American owned media empire, with Irish editions of British newspapers with a reputation of centuries of hostility towards any streak of Irish nationalism, wields such influence in this country. I think Sarah Carey might finally agree.

Apologies. Had you confused with Some User.

pudgee
20-11-2008, 01:27 PM
Apologies. Had you confused with Some User.

but, re hostility to nationalism: papers such as the Daily Mail were very sympathetic in the revolutonary period. Minor, but I think interesting point.

Bin Hex 12
20-11-2008, 01:38 PM
The Irish Times, 20, November 2008

Madam,

Your new columnist Sarah Carey has sold you a pup, albeit one that suits your pro-Lisbon agenda (Opinion, November 19th).

The tale of her mistreatment at the hands of The Sunday Times and her experience as a prisoner of conscience in the weeks during and after the Lisbon referendum grows more fanciful with each telling. Let me be clear: at no stage was Ms Carey assured that she could write articles for our newspaper about Lisbon and at no stage did I say it was imperative that the Lisbon Treaty be passed. I am prepared to accept that the passage of time has clouded her memory, so let me refresh it.

Ms Carey was a freelance writer who discussed column ideas with the deputy editor each week. During his absence last May I spoke to her instead, which is why I can say with certainty that this was the first time she asked me whether she could write a column about Lisbon. I reminded her that I was running an upfront campaign opposing the treaty, that she was not a political columnist and that I had hired specialist writers to analyse a different aspect of the treaty every week. She didn't like the decision but, as you know, editors are not paid to be popular.

Finally, Madam, despite Ms Carey's stated concerns about "ethical obligations" you will no doubt have noticed that she has no compunction about repeating internal conversations with her employer on her blog and elsewhere. - Yours, etc,

FRANK FITZGIBBON,

Ireland Editor,

The Sunday Times ,

Dublin 2.

Actin The Sham
20-11-2008, 03:36 PM
Frank Fitzgibbon is a patronising anti-Cork wanker who has regularly mocked the citizens of this fantastic city and county.

A bigger wanker this side of Rupert Murdoch woule be hard to find. I have been buying the Sunday Times for almost eighteen years now, and I always try to ignore the rantings of the "Oirish" editorial team.


I like Jeremy Clarkson's column though, and also the Travel and In Gear supplements as well as the sports section and the news review section. And the book reviews in "The Culture" supplement can be good as well from time to time.

As for the Oirish Mail On Sunday and The Daily Oirish Mail, well they are just a shower of cunts altogether, but I still get it every week.

I also buy the Sindo, and I get the Examiner every day.

But I get most of my opinions from Euronews, or Neill Prendeville or Shephard Smith. I think John Bowman is good, but most of his panellists are insufferable bores and his audience is packed with "activists."

I am pro Europe, and anti isolationist.

Murdock
20-11-2008, 03:44 PM
Ooh miaow! Saucer of milk for Mr. Fitzgibbon. Christ, he sounds like an utter langer. He doesn't even address the fact that they didn't have one single piece that was pro-Lisbon. It's just a load of bitchy comments.

And to the Lisbon naysayers, you have to take a serious look at yourself when you're on the same side as a megalomaniac asshole of the calibre of Rupert Murdoch. As if being on the same side as Sinn Féin, Anarchists, Stalinists, Fascists, Jean-Marie Le Pen, the BNP and a sleveen, eurosceptic puppet of the US and Russian militaries like Declan Ganley wasn't bad enough.

Riordan
20-11-2008, 03:52 PM
I'm on my own side.

corkoniense
20-11-2008, 04:10 PM
I'm on my own side.

A Rebel Without a Clue?

Riordan
20-11-2008, 04:17 PM
That's clever, well done.

corkoniense
20-11-2008, 04:23 PM
That's clever, well done.

Sound.

i_didnt_do_nawtin
20-11-2008, 04:56 PM
Ooh miaow! Saucer of milk for Mr. Fitzgibbon. Christ, he sounds like an utter langer. He doesn't even address the fact that they didn't have one single piece that was pro-Lisbon. It's just a load of bitchy comments.

And to the Lisbon naysayers, you have to take a serious look at yourself when you're on the same side as a megalomaniac asshole of the calibre of Rupert Murdoch. As if being on the same side as Sinn Féin, Anarchists, Stalinists, Fascists, Jean-Marie Le Pen, the BNP and a sleveen, eurosceptic puppet of the US and Russian militaries like Declan Ganley wasn't bad enough.

So if they were all for a 32 county Irish Republic, you'd side against them?

Murdock
20-11-2008, 05:39 PM
So if they were all for a 32 county Irish Republic, you'd side against them?

What?

Mauler
26-11-2008, 08:39 AM
So the scales have fallen from a hacks eyes, well kind of, she hasn't quite realised what her job was, i.e. selling advertising. This is why the MSM will never offer a true balance of opinions "Those that pay the piper pick the tune".
As to Murdoch, while I find the man and most of his views repugnant this does not mean that he cannot be right about the Lisbon treaty though for the wrong reasons.