Cork Hurlers Statement..

[Poison]

Thursday, November 06, 2008

Cork players: ‘Vendetta’ against us

By Michael Moynihan

THE Cork senior hurlers last night issued a hard hitting statement challenging comments made by manager Gerald McCarthy and the County Board as the dispute between players and officials showed no signs of resolution.


The squad claimed in a statement exclusively released to the Irish Examiner last night, that the campaign against them in the row over McCarthy’s re-appointment “can only be interpreted as constituting a vendetta”.

They again insisted they do not want the right to pick the manager and, in the course of a lengthy statement, the players also claimed a Board member on the seven-man selection committee stated McCarthy was the “second-best man for the job”.




The players statement added: “At no point in the proceedings was the board’s first choice as manager confirmed, which shows that, in our view, this was in fact a ‘done deal’.”

“We recognise the upset and annoyance which these situations have caused Cork GAA people over recent years,” said a player representative. “But we’re concerned by what we see as attempts to mislead the Cork GAA public, which is why we feel obliged to make the following points by way of clarification.

We feel there has been a concerted campaign against us and we have no choice but to try to set the record straight. For all of us these developments are unwelcome and unnecessary, but for some of us, due to the magnitude of the campaign, they can only be interpreted as constituting a vendetta.”

Gerald McCarthy questioned whether players had the right to pick the manager, saying on Newstalk: “If that’s the way, it’s player power pure and total.”

PLAYERS: “The players don’t say they have the right to pick the manager, (their wish was to be involved in the selection process) nor do they want the right to pick the manager. The players have the right, according to binding arbitration, to have a two-sevenths representation in the process to appoint a new manager. The players didn’t decide this, it was decided by Kieran Mulvey in binding arbitration.”

In his statement of October 30, issued to the media, Gerald McCarthy said the “presentation by certain players of my appointment as Cork hurling manager has been quite disingenuous... I’m happy that my appointment was correctly made — it was not a ‘done deal’, as has been suggested.”

PLAYERS: “Gerald wasn’t present at any of the five meetings and is not in a position to say whether the players are telling the truth or not. For the record, the players agree there were five meetings but maintain that there was no process, and that they have told no lies.”

The county board statement of October 31 reaffirmed its support for its “properly appointed hurling manager”.

PLAYERS: “Not for the first time, the Cork County Board deems it necessary to say that what they have done in the past was correctly done. The players don’t accept that this was a legitimate process or a legitimate appointment and as a result, don’t accept that there are any constraints on them or on any of their actions.”

The county board insists the two player representatives never presented any other candidate for consideration . . . at the third meeting there was a discussion of the names of other possible managers.”

PLAYERS: “In two sentences, the innate contradiction of the county board statement is clearly set out. It can hardly be said that nobody was presented for consideration if there was a discussion of their names. By way of further clarification, the names were suggested at the second meeting (not the third), which was attended by Seán Óg Ó hAilpín (as proxy for John Gardiner). It was the only meeting he attended and he suggested potential candidates. Regarding the process, the players believe that the board tried to force them into a vote (on one man) where they held the majority, while attempting to maintain that this was ‘a process’.

“The reason there were five meetings was because, from meeting number two, the players tried to resist the situation being imposed on them, which clearly was not as envisaged by Mr Mulvey’s findings nor in the best interests of Cork hurling. When other candidates were mentioned by players, they were not considered but a board member in the course of the discussions stated that he believed Gerald was the second-best man for the job. At no point in the proceedings was the board’s first choice as manager confirmed, which shows that, in our view, this was in fact a ‘done deal’.”

Gerald has referred to “the ferocity” of the approach of players in his media statement.

PLAYERS: “We’re amazed Gerald could have found any approach to him ferocious, intimidating or in any way improper. Even though he was not the Cork hurling manager at the time, given the widely reported ‘lack of respect’ to other sitting intercounty managers in other counties, and out of respect for Gerald personally, it was felt that a direct approach on a human level was vital. At that time the players — as they do now — felt Gerald was being put in a position by the board and wanted him to avoid that, especially when he did not enjoy the confidence of any panel member from a managerial point of view. This was leaving aside the panel’s objections to his appointment.

“The players went to see Gerald on the morning of his appointment in an effort to show the unity of the panel and the respect of the panel to him. All 30 panel members wanted to go but only 10 were available due to work commitments on the day.”

Gerald McCarthy’s comments to the media.

PLAYERS: “Since his purported appointment, Gerald McCarthy has launched a campaign seeking to justify his position, which the players would have regarded as being misguided until, in their view, the line was crossed on a number of occasions by Gerald. He has accused the players of bullying him — that did not happen at any time. He has been treated at all times with great respect, as befits his position.”

On Newstalk Gerald referred to Ben’s interview in the Irish Examiner, specifically the matter of phone calls to younger players from management — “some players were contacted, and there were younger players contacted ... he did not put any pressure on any younger players. But he did point out to players that, look, there’s a lot at stake here for younger players”.

PLAYERS: “No senior players were contacted, and the younger players contacted certainly felt they were being pressurised. To quote from one of the calls, the management representative said: ‘It’s the younger players will lose out’. This was interpreted as a threat or pressure by the younger players concerned. To seek to label Ben O’Connor as uttering untruths is outrageous and unacceptable to us. In many parts of the GAA world, Ben O’Connor is considered to be a hurling legend.”

Gerald said on Newstalk that Ben O’Connor’s suggestion the player vote was unanimous was inaccurate.

PLAYERS: “Gerald was not present at any meeting. The panel was absolutely unanimous in its rejection of Gerald as proposed manager, but at the time, in a confidential meeting, a small number of players held a minority view as to how best to proceed in the current climate. This has since been unanimously resolved.”

Gerald’s statement to the media says “I have tried to understand how the players have painted themselves into a corner.”

PLAYERS: “THE players had issued no statement at that time — an interview had been given by one player, Ben O’Connor, in the face of blanket media coverage of Gerald’s point of view and the comments of other parties. The players had made no statements and hadn’t painted themselves into any corners. It should be remembered who brought these matters into the public domain.”

Gerald’s media statement added: “I have regrettably come to the conclusion that there is a predisposition to conflict among a very small number of Cork players.”

PLAYERS: “This echoes the numerous attempts by the board, over the years, to maintain that somewhere between 25 and 28 Cork senior hurlers are being said and led by two to five others – which the 25 to 28 players, whoever they might be, find deeply insulting. It also shows the opinion of the board and Gerald as to the backbone of the Cork senior hurling team. To say that teachers, engineers, bank managers, farmers, businessmen and parents could be led down roads they did not wish to take by one or two of their team-mates is ridiculous.

“Such moral weakness may prevail in other bodies, particularly those which can vote almost unanimously, in diametrically opposing ways, with just four days between each vote, like the Cork County Board.”

Gerald’s statement also reads: “For some players to attempt to retrofit an objection ... to treat people in a summary and offensive way reflects poorly on them.”

PLAYERS: “Yet again, this is an echo of the board’s view, as there is no question of ‘some players’. All representations made at any time were made on the unanimous instructions of the entire panel. There was no ‘retrofit’ – rather, over five meetings, there was an objection by the players, through their representatives, to the efforts to back them into a corner. These objections took place over the course of the meetings and before the vote was taken, not after it.”

[Poison]

Continued..


The publication of Cathal O’Reilly’s document.

PLAYERS: “We are at a complete loss as to how a confidential document, to which we all contributed under conditions of strict privacy, could find its way to the pages of a newspaper.

“Cathal O’Reilly has confirmed that only one copy of this document was ever produced by him and was only given to one individual – Gerald McCarthy. For this document to be given to anyone, let alone a newspaper, exemplifies the lack of understanding on Gerald’s part, in our view, of the nature of a relationship of trust.

“Cathal O’Reilly was brought in to help the players and Gerald when it was recognised by all and sundry that there was a lack of trust as part of a dysfunctional relationship between management and panel.

“Cathal has confirmed to the panel that on October 29, without any contact from the Cork management, he received a phone call from Gerald thanking him for his help, asking him to return next year and failing to mention anything about the use of, publication of, loss of, misplacement of the confidential document given to him many months before and which miraculously appeared the following day in the newspaper.”

The county board statement says it “. . . may have been guilty of misjudgements in the past, but few can deny that we have made adjustments to take account of changed times, new values and circumstances.”

PLAYERS: “To say the board ‘may have been guilty of misjudgements in the past’ is a crass understatement. Gerald McCarthy was ‘elected’ as the sole candidate put forward by the board, following the county board secretary being, in Gerald’s words, ‘very persuasive’ in 2006.

“The players, despite their misgivings and the stated intent of members of the previous management to apply for the job, did not raise an objection to Gerald’s appointment. This followed four years under Donal O’Grady and John Allen, both with different management methods, without a single issue or incident arising between team, management or the county board.

“Twelve months ago the hurlers and footballers begged with the Cork County Board not to make an appointment of a football manager because of a flawed appointment process. The players did not want the issue personalised at that time.

“Twelve months on its own senior hurling team begged the board not to make an appointment because of a flawed appointment process and its obvious outcome, and begged the individual concerned not to put himself in the same position.

“Despite the binding arbitration findings, we think it is clear exactly what type of adjustments the board has made.”

Gerald says in his statement this issue is about ‘due process, respect and other core values that I and many others hold dear’.

PLAYERS: “We wholeheartedly agree.”

[STEVIEG]

It's getting uglier

[dotty]

indeed.

more mud being flung than at the ploughing championships.

[Langer Dan]

Can't fault the players.

Ger needs to go.
What hes trying to accomplish is anyone's guess.

[legend76]

well said by the players

[aghabullogue 1890]

Donal O'Grady was right the other day when he said its up to the board to move quickly to solve the mess that they have created. Surely some number of individuals that are ameniable to both sides should sit down and sort this thing out once and for all. The players are right in what they said. They have seen what board officials are capable close up. Corcaigh ABU

[rebelrebel]

Well i'm still 100% behind the panel. I was disgusted about the stuff inplied about Ben O'C, the man's a hurling genius who never gives less then 110% to Cork hurling and he's a gentleman both on and off the field.

So if any of the panel should browse this forum, fair fucks to ye boys keep the pressure on....

(I was slightly disappointed that General Franco wasn't mentiond by name in it as being one of the root causes of the problems)

C'mon the rebels!!!

[Brad]

That statement has helped no-one including themseleves. They threatened to retire and it appears they don't have the balls to do it now. Instead they want to drag this out for as long as possible. Gerald Mac is going nowhere so either play for him or fuck off. Donal Og retiring would be a big help. Again they do not mention the fact they have not exactly played up to scratch over the last two years (tis everyones fault but their own). We stood behind them in 2002, during Semplegate, first strike of 2008 and they are at it again. It would be best if a few of them retired at this stage as even if the situation is resolved there will still be a lot of bad blood.

[Rebelred]

Statement doesn't do much to be honest. Just more he said we said kind of stuff.

[AGORDEIRE]

I just think the whole thing stinks to be honest. I will say I am behind the panel, there can be no smoke with out a fire. They are the ones who have to deal with Gerald Mc on a dailly/weekly basis at training etc. How can you play for a person whom you have no faith in? Or whos methods you do not believe in??

Would you take on a job of coaching and managing 30 people who have come out and said they do not believe in you tactics? Why stay in a position when it is as plain as day it is only causing more trouble then good, or when there is so much mistrust surrounding your appointment.

This thing has got 'FRANK MURPHY' stamped all over it lads.

[Rebelred]

not one mention of Frank Murphy directly in the statement.

[stevetharlear]

in fairess, it's just a defence to some of the crap that's been flung at them over the last few weeks, and needed doing.

The fact they haven't tried to push their arguements on, ie mentioning Frank by name, show's that they're still intent on doing it out of the media.

I loved this...
“Such moral weakness may prevail in other bodies, particularly those which can vote almost unanimously, in diametrically opposing ways, with just four days between each vote, like the Cork County Board.”

[northmallexile]

not one mention of Frank Murphy directly in the statement.

That's probably on legal advice, I'd say.

[Rebelred]

That's probably on legal advice, I'd say.

most likely.
Still stuck where we were before the statement however, direct action is needed.

[RonnyB]

That statement has helped no-one including themseleves. They threatened to retire and it appears they don't have the balls to do it now. Instead they want to drag this out for as long as possible. Gerald Mac is going nowhere so either play for him or fuck off. Donal Og retiring would be a big help. Again they do not mention the fact they have not exactly played up to scratch over the last two years (tis everyones fault but their own). We stood behind them in 2002, during Semplegate, first strike of 2008 and they are at it again. It would be best if a few of them retired at this stage as even if the situation is resolved there will still be a lot of bad blood.

Do you seriously think the players dont have the balls to walk? They have threatened twice before until their way was granted (so it seemed anyway last Feb) because in the end the most important aspect of any team is the playing unit. If you dont have that you have nothing.

I was sceptical at 1st this time about their motives but the more I think about it the more I believe them to be right. Our county board are living in the stone age, happier to have power & influence rather than success.

Whatever happens this time around I still fell the bitterness will linger on for years, even when the current players & county board officials move on. Why? Well its simple, we all have our opinions on whose right & wrong. Future players & delegates are no different. Future decisions & motions will be made with the horrible past firmly rooted in the thinking for the present.

[Barry K O Bama]

I would advise other posters to ignore that idiot BRAD. I've read some of his previous posts and everything that he has said has been pure nonsense.
If u reply to the idiot u will only encourage him to keep posting so ignore him. He is probably from another county and is just trying to stir things up.

The players statement is very good. It's very clear that one side is honest and telling the truth and the other side is just playing games.
Its very important that the players get their position out there.

Gerald McCarthy was a complete gob-shite of a manager. He is quite happy to act as Frank's hitman to force out some of our hurling greats in a very ignominous end to their careers. I had respect for the man for what he did in the past but now all respect is gone. He is a low-life devious pr...ck with a huge ego. Teddy Holland with a moustache

[Brad]

Do you seriously think the players dont have the balls to walk? They have threatened twice before until their way was granted (so it seemed anyway last Feb) because in the end the most important aspect of any team is the playing unit. If you dont have that you have nothing.

I was sceptical at 1st this time about their motives but the more I think about it the more I believe them to be right. Our county board are living in the stone age, happier to have power & influence rather than success.

Whatever happens this time around I still fell the bitterness will linger on for years, even when the current players & county board officials move on. Why? Well its simple, we all have our opinions on whose right & wrong. Future players & delegates are no different. Future decisions & motions will be made with the horrible past firmly rooted in the thinking for the present.

I doubt they will have the balls to walk. Maybe the likes of Donal Og and a few of the older guys but not the likes of Gardiner, Curran, etc. There bluff will be called this time - they won't get their way this time and that is the bottom line.

Do you not think the players should be looking at their own performances over the last two years? Was Semplegate not their own doing and a few high profile players involved there? They all gave McCarthy serious credit when filling out those appraisal type things.

[Rebelred]

While I am supportive of their stance and what needs to be achieved, I have a few problems with the players statement to be honest.

The first is regarding Bens interview. The players say this was in response of the media giving Geralds side of the story:

Gerald’s statement to the media says “I have tried to understand how the players have painted themselves into a corner.”

PLAYERS: “THE players had issued no statement at that time — an interview had been given by one player, Ben O’Connor, in the face of blanket media coverage of Gerald’s point of view and the comments of other parties. The players had made no statements and hadn’t painted themselves into any corners. It should be remembered who brought these matters into the public domain.”


But am I not right in saying that prior to Ben's interview and Geralds statement, we had plenty of hidden quotes from the players in an article by Kieran Shannon?

Also,

Gerald has referred to “the ferocity” of the approach of players in his media statement.

PLAYERS: “We’re amazed Gerald could have found any approach to him ferocious, intimidating or in any way improper. Even though he was not the Cork hurling manager at the time, given the widely reported ‘lack of respect’ to other sitting intercounty managers in other counties, and out of respect for Gerald personally, it was felt that a direct approach on a human level was vital. At that time the players — as they do now — felt Gerald was being put in a position by the board and wanted him to avoid that, especially when he did not enjoy the confidence of any panel member from a managerial point of view. This was leaving aside the panel’s objections to his appointment.

“The players went to see Gerald on the morning of his appointment in an effort to show the unity of the panel and the respect of the panel to him. All 30 panel members wanted to go but only 10 were available due to work commitments on the day.”

Sorry lads, but I thought going 9 to 1 was bad, out of order and uncalled for. It's a good thing all 30 could not make it, as that would have been totally out of order.

[Stuck in Dumpland]

I doubt they will have the balls to walk. Maybe the likes of Donal Og and a few of the older guys but not the likes of Gardiner, Curran, etc. There bluff will be called this time - they won't get their way this time and that is the bottom line.

Do you not think the players should be looking at their own performances over the last two years? Was Semplegate not their own doing and a few high profile players involved there? They all gave McCarthy serious credit when filling out those appraisal type things.

Are you a fucking idiot? Those quotes were from an exercise where they had to write one positive thing about Gerald. They were not allowed write anything negative.

Actually, i dunno why i bother replying to you. You've been pwned too many times for any sane person to keep coming back posting.

Not really much in the statement that we didn't know already, but perhaps it might set the rest of the media/country straight on what the actual situation is.

[Rebelred]

Are you a fucking idiot? Those quotes were from an exercise where they had to write one positive thing about Gerald. They were not allowed write anything negative.

Actually, i dunno why i bother replying to you. You've been pwned too many times for any sane person to keep coming back posting.

Not really much in the statement that we didn't know already, but perhaps it might set the rest of the media/country straight on what the actual situation is.

don't mind Brad, he's having a bad week, what with a Black man getting the top job in the States n everything, it's a tough time to be a racist.

[Brad]

don't mind brad, he's having a bad week, what with a black man getting the top job in the states n everything, it's a tough time to be a racist.

i am delighted for obama. I am also delighted the country and the general public of cork are turning on the Cork hurlers.

[Rebelred]

i am delighted for obama. I am also delighted the country and the general public of cork are tunring on the cork hurlers.

general public are not turning on the hurlers, they are turning on Frank.

[Brad]

general public are not turning on the hurlers, they are turning on Frank.

Stop the bullshit. Tis only the smart asses of the PROC are supporting the Cork hurlers. The media and the general public are not supporting the hurlers and rightly so.

[Rebelred]

Stop the bullshit. Tis only the smart asses of the PROC are supporting the Cork hurlers. The media and the general public are not supporting the hurlers and rightly so.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/murphy-has-most-questions-to-answer-in-rebel-row-1517481.html?action= Email

http://www.irishexaminer.co m/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=GAA-qqqa=sport-qqqid=76466-qqqx=1.asp

http://www.tribune.ie/sport/hurling/article/2008/nov/02/past-imperfect-future-tense/

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1103/1225523317180.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1104/1225523342707.html

http://www.irishexaminer.co m/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=GAA-qqqa=sport-qqqid=76508-qqqx=1.asp

some bed time reading for ya Brad

[Barry K O Bama]

[QUOTE=Stuck in Dumpland;2317491]Are you a fucking idiot?

This has to be the best rethorical question I've ever seen ! This BRAD idiot is probably Bob Ryan - PRO of the CB.
Nobody should engage with a racist - JUST IGNORE HIM


REBELRED:-

You have been making some very good posts. I agree with you that the real problem is Frank and his loyal henchmen. U'r right that the only way to topple the dictator is through ordinary club members voicing their disapproval and the clubs finally acting against him. But thats a huge task particularly with die-hards prominant in many clubs. It would be easier to eliminate corruption in Fianna Fail and Irish Politics.

But in the meantime - Kilkenny must be stopped from 4-in-a-row. You seem to be critical of the players waging a media campaign. It was well known that there was major unrest in the Cork Camp for the last two years and the better hacks like Kieran Shannon would have known this. Ben's interview was the first offical comment from a player.
Gerald was on a major media campaign - being very critical of the players and suggesting that it was only a few of the more experienced players had a problem with him. Its clear that Frank with Gerald's support saw this as an ideal opportunity to dump Donal Og, Sean Og and a few others.

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY IF YOU WERE LEADING THE PLAYERS ?

[C Montgomery Bones]

Brad's an idiot!!

That is all.

[Arcadia]

Stop the bullshit. Tis only the smart asses of the PROC are supporting the Cork hurlers. The media and the general public are not supporting the hurlers and rightly so.

After last weeks PR Co.Board Ger Mac onslaught ?

The players have plenty of support in the media and the public.

In fact theres a lot of people keeping their powder dry on this one waiting their chance to have a go at Frank.

[Rebelred]

Are you a fucking idiot?

This has to be the best rethorical question I've ever seen ! This BRAD idiot is probably Bob Ryan - PRO of the CB.
Nobody should engage with a racist - JUST IGNORE HIM


REBELRED:-

You have been making some very good posts. I agree with you that the real problem is Frank and his loyal henchmen. U'r right that the only way to topple the dictator is through ordinary club members voicing their disapproval and the clubs finally acting against him. But thats a huge task particularly with die-hards prominant in many clubs. It would be easier to eliminate corruption in Fianna Fail and Irish Politics.

But in the meantime - Kilkenny must be stopped from 4-in-a-row. You seem to be critical of the players waging a media campaign. It was well known that there was major unrest in the Cork Camp for the last two years and the better hacks like Kieran Shannon would have known this. Ben's interview was the first offical comment from a player.
Gerald was on a major media campaign - being very critical of the players and suggesting that it was only a few of the more experienced players had a problem with him. Its clear that Frank with Gerald's support saw this as an ideal opportunity to dump Donal Og, Sean Og and a few others.

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY IF YOU WERE LEADING THE PLAYERS ?

If I were leading the players I would have told them that individual interviews were a huge no no, straight off. By doing so, it gave the Board and Gerald plenty ammo to work with. Essentially this statement today is trying to correct Gerald on everything he has said in relation to Ben's interview. We're still no further down the tracks.

Realistically, bar a few key changes in personnel in key positions, a massive improvement in performance and a dip in Kilkennys standards, it's unlikely we would have a team capable of beating them next year, in fact, my primary concern would have been beating Tipp, not Kilkenny.

[RonnyB]

I doubt they will have the balls to walk. Maybe the likes of Donal Og and a few of the older guys but not the likes of Gardiner, Curran, etc. There bluff will be called this time - they won't get their way this time and that is the bottom line.

Do you not think the players should be looking at their own performances over the last two years? Was Semplegate not their own doing and a few high profile players involved there? They all gave McCarthy serious credit when filling out those appraisal type things.

You dont think they'll get their way? As I've said before its the players that are the most important aspect of any club or organisation. Without players you have nothing. I've talked to some of my own former team-mates & asked the captain of my clubs U-16 team last week what they would do if asked to stand in for the regular panel. We all agreed we wouldnt play. That echos the sentiments of many around the county who know the score.

Sceptics see this as player power, those in the know see it as guys not putting up with second rate ideas from the county board whose agenda has changed from ultimate power to a combination of power & spite no matter what damage is caused.

As for the players performances, this Cork team has often answered questions that they created for themselves in the past. The '04 Munster Final was a big one, which they answered under savage pressure against Tipp. The comeback against Clare in '05 another. This was a team who went from winning 18 out of 22 games with 1 draw in a 4 year spell to losing 5 in 2 years. The manager & selectors also decided to play a captian who wasnt worthy of his place on the starting 15. Also they allowed Wayne Sherlock walk away from intercounty hurling when he was still worth a place on the team. Massive massive errors.

On Semplegate yes the players got involved but as discussed at great lengths last year that was a complete OTT reaction from the CCCC. Look at the controversy it caused nationally at the time.

As for the appraisal thing read those quotes again. How many referred to how Gerald is a hurling legend who they have great respect for compared to his actual qualities he brings as a coach? Knowledge of the game was a common one. FFS Graeme Souness has massive knowledge of soccer but it didnt make him a great manager did it.

[Some user]

Tis only the smart asses of the PROC are supporting the Cork hurlers. The media and the general public are not supporting the hurlers and rightly so.

I noticed last week next to Donal O'Grady's pro-players article in the Examiner there were quotes from various discussion forums like RebelGAA and Premierview but nothing from here despite it being way more popular. At matches you'd always hear fellas talking about the sports forum here. Seemed like the Examiner boys were ignoring the Elephant in the room...perhaps deliberately for balance.

Because the issues are muddy and all he-said-she-said it is difficult for the public to make a judgement. Its not like they are being shown a sending off on TV and forming an opinion on it. The complexity of the problem is a turn-off and people end up saying 'the players should just shut-up and get on with it or fuck off'. That's a lazy judgement.

That statement from the players is long winded because the people involved at county board level are so uneducated and petty minded that they have let this spiral out of control by not acting professionally and by following Frank's instructions. How many PRO men on the county board have All Ireland medals and All Stars?

It would be a victory for Frank Murphy if Donal Óg and Seán Óg resigned but a few of the others stayed on. Therefore they should hang on right until the championship.

Lastly, I wonder who the county board official thought was the best man for the job if he thought Gerald was "the second best".

[RonnyB]

I noticed last week next to Donal O'Grady's pro-players article in the Examiner there were quotes from various discussion forums like RebelGAA and Premierview but nothing from here despite it being way more popular. At matches you'd always hear fellas talking about the sports forum here. Seemed like the Examiner boys were ignoring the Elephant in the room...perhaps deliberately for balance.

Because the issues are muddy and all he-said-she-said it is difficult for the public to make a judgement. Its not like they are being shown a sending off on TV and forming an opinion on it. The complexity of the problem is a turn-off and people end up saying 'the players should just shut-up and get on with it or fuck off'. That's a lazy judgement.

That statement from the players is long winded because the people involved at county board level are so uneducated and petty minded that they have let this spiral out of control by not acting professionally and by following Frank's instructions. How many PRO men on the county board have All Ireland medals and All Stars?

It would be a victory for Frank Murphy if Donal Óg and Seán Óg resigned but a few of the others stayed on. Therefore they should hang on right until the championship.

Lastly, I wonder who the county board official thought was the best man for the job if he thought Gerald was "the second best".

I dont agree with that. Some of the best officers in my club were brutal hurlers & didnt feature on junior teams. Its those who did & think that they know it all can be the problem sometimes.

[bigboyfoolish]

I noticed last week next to Donal O'Grady's pro-players article in the Examiner there were quotes from various discussion forums like RebelGAA and Premierview but nothing from here despite it being way more popular. At matches you'd always hear fellas talking about the sports forum here. Seemed like the Examiner boys were ignoring the Elephant in the room...perhaps deliberately for balance.



The main reason is that Tony 'Kerry's Great' Leen has been frequently abused from near and far in here. The blood runs a bit too red in here
for The Kerry Mafia that now run the Irish Examiner's sports section.

I would nearly take it as a compliment..

[Youghal Exile]

There has to be total reform this time not patching things up.Gerald needs to resign before his reputation gets permanetly damaged and frank needs to enjoy his retirement.Im sure his dying to put his feet up.(Ps Brad leave the wumming to lamps.)

[bigboyfoolish]

Back to the subject at hand..
I think Rebelred as usual has been very measured and objective in
his analysis and has made some great points.
That are both informative, enlightening and helpful.
Unlike some other idiots who'll remain nameless and should continue to be ignored.

Can I ask this though RR..
I mean they had to make some kind of move.
what would you have them do?

There was a huge imbalance to the story as things stood
in the eyes of the general public and the CCB had made statements as
well as Gerald yet the players were sitting in silence.

They had to act and the normal and only recourse is through the media.

I have to agree with you completely that is a bit tit-for-tat and 'he said -she said' stuff but to sit on your hands would be even more foolish surely..

It won't solve anything and will probably only further exacerbate
what is already a very grave situation but it was necessary this time around.

Prime Time are doing a feature on it tonight and are trying to make contact with Donal Og. Hopefully we will get a proper debate and people should not be afraid to email their sentiments into the programme if they feel strongly one way or another.

[Rebelred]

Back to the subject at hand..
I think Rebelred as usual has been very measured and objective in
his analysis and has made some great points.
That are both informative, enlightening and helpful.
Unlike some other idiots who'll remain nameless and should continue to be ignored.

Can I ask this though RR..
I mean they had to make some kind of move.
what would you have them do?

There was a huge imbalance to the story as things stood
in the eyes of the general public and the CCB had made statements as
well as Gerald yet the players were sitting in silence.

They had to act and the normal and only recourse is through the media.


I agree that their hand was forced slightly to make this statement, but again I can't help but wonder that if Ben hadn't agreed to the Interview with O'Flynn, Gerald would have been left with very little to work with. As I said previously, most of the statement, which is well thought out, is given over to addressing Geralds statements on Bens interview. Perhaps now there is a more balanced perception to it, but we're still no better off.

[Barry K O Bama]

If I were leading the players I would have told them that individual interviews were a huge no no, straight off. By doing so, it gave the Board and Gerald plenty ammo to work with. Essentially this statement today is trying to correct Gerald on everything he has said in relation to Ben's interview. We're still no further down the tracks.

Realistically, bar a few key changes in personnel in key positions, a massive improvement in performance and a dip in Kilkennys standards, it's unlikely we would have a team capable of beating them next year, in fact, my primary concern would have been beating Tipp, not Kilkenny.

OK RR - Maybe individual interviews are better off the agenda. But Gerald was giving Radio and Newspaper Interviews to anybody that would listen. The CB and Gerald are practically full time on this and have employed a PR Company. The players have jobs to hold down and in spite of the imbalance the players are winning the PR battle by a country mile.

I don't really agree with ur criticism of the players tactics or efforts. On the contrary, I think it is incredible how well they have conducted themselves in this and past disputes.

I also strongly disagree with you on our hopes of beating KK. I think that - man for man we are their equal. KK might have a slight edge in scoring power but with Pat Horgan and Pa Cronin coming on a bit then we should be able to bridge that gap. The big difference the last two years is Gerald vs Cody - No contest. With a JBM, Donal O Grady, John Allen or Ger Cunningham managing Cork then I would be very confident of winning the All-Ireland in 2009

[Some user]

I dont agree with that. Some of the best officers in my club were brutal hurlers & didnt feature on junior teams. Its those who did & think that they know it all can be the problem sometimes.

It was a question not a statement to be agreed or disagreed with. I understand the value of good administration but that has be equally met with the understanding that they don't understand the sacrifice modern players make.

[Some user]

Donal O Grady, John Allen or Ger Cunningham managing Cork then I would be very confident of winning the All-Ireland in 2009

For fuck sake can we forget about Donal O'Grady and Setanta?!!! Great men without doubt but they both have different goals/agendas now.

[Brad]

You dont think they'll get their way? As I've said before its the players that are the most important aspect of any club or organisation. Without players you have nothing. I've talked to some of my own former team-mates & asked the captain of my clubs U-16 team last week what they would do if asked to stand in for the regular panel. We all agreed we wouldnt play. That echos the sentiments of many around the county who know the score.

Sceptics see this as player power, those in the know see it as guys not putting up with second rate ideas from the county board whose agenda has changed from ultimate power to a combination of power & spite no matter what damage is caused.

As for the players performances, this Cork team has often answered questions that they created for themselves in the past. The '04 Munster Final was a big one, which they answered under savage pressure against Tipp. The comeback against Clare in '05 another. This was a team who went from winning 18 out of 22 games with 1 draw in a 4 year spell to losing 5 in 2 years. The manager & selectors also decided to play a captian who wasnt worthy of his place on the starting 15. Also they allowed Wayne Sherlock walk away from intercounty hurling when he was still worth a place on the team. Massive massive errors.

On Semplegate yes the players got involved but as discussed at great lengths last year that was a complete OTT reaction from the CCCC. Look at the controversy it caused nationally at the time.

As for the appraisal thing read those quotes again. How many referred to how Gerald is a hurling legend who they have great respect for compared to his actual qualities he brings as a coach? Knowledge of the game was a common one. FFS Graeme Souness has massive knowledge of soccer but it didnt make him a great manager did it.

The perfomances this year were not up to scratch and maybe the players need to take a look at themselves rather than complain about McCarthy, the CB and getting the wrong sandwiches.

Take the two lads from Cloyne. Is it really Gerald McCarthy's fault that Sully was hitting up the local chipper in Cloyne all last winter? The guy was grossly over weight. I know Sully always carries a few pounds and is just generally a big lad but last summer he was clearly eating the wrong food and too much of it (i suppose some will suggest the CB were giving him the chips) Is it really McCarthy's fault that Donal Og is not even the best keeper in Munster? Maybe about 3rd or 4th in the country which is pretty poor considering only about 8/9 counties play the game seriously.

As for Semplegate most people fel the players left themsleves down there. Do you not see a trend here? Tis always someone elses fault. The fucked up that season themselves and this year they had the strike. Gerald Mccarthy never really had a chance with this bunch.

[RonnyB]

The perfomances this year were not up to scratch and maybe the players need to take a look at themselves rather than complain about McCarthy, the CB and getting the wrong sandwiches.

Take the two lads from Cloyne. Is it really Gerald McCarthy's fault that Sully was hitting up the local chipper in Cloyne all last winter? The guy was grossly over weight. I know Sully always carries a few pounds and is just generally a big lad but last summer he was clearly eating the wrong food and too much of it (i suppose some will suggest the CB were giving him the chips) Is it really McCarthy's fault that Donal Og is not even the best keeper in Munster? Maybe about 3rd or 4th in the country which is pretty poor considering only about 8/9 counties play the game seriously.

As for Semplegate most people fel the players left themsleves down there. Do you not see a trend here? Tis always someone elses fault. The fucked up that season themselves and this year they had the strike. Gerald Mccarthy never really had a chance with this bunch.

When it came the big game against Kilkenny this year, Sully was Cork's best player but I agree he wasnt up to it the rest of the year.

Did Donal Og cost us any game this year? Far from it. In fact if it wasnt for him Dublin could have put Cork out of this years Championship FFS. Also look at the Waterford drawn match last year. Made 2 great saves that day as well. At the moment I'd rather have him in goal than anyone else simply because since 2004 he's been the best goalkeeper in the country.

On Semplegate all sides in this current dispute felt Cork were wronged badly. However the damage it delt wasnt fatal. We still should have beaten Tipp which would have led to an easier quarter final which a properly prepared Crok team would surely have won.

In fact the more I think of it, the more I realise what a disaster Gerald's reign was. However I still have a degree of sympathy for him but that wore thinner after the press leaks last week.

[KolaKubes]

I dont agree with that. Some of the best officers in my club were brutal hurlers & didnt feature on junior teams. Its those who did & think that they know it all can be the problem sometimes.

Too many fellas overcompensating for their failings on the GAA field by being macho "fíor Gaels" afterwards.

Being thrown planks of hurleys that were a size too big for lads underage, complete fucking know nothings training teams. I remember making shite out of both hamstrings with some ill-thought out January session slip sliding around in the mud with no warm up.

Sorry Ronny, maybe you're at a better run club than I was back in the day, but the GAA (and many other sports) are often officiated by fellas who haven't a notion about playing the game and more's the pity.

It is clear to anyone reading what the players are saying and watching the dramatic decline in their basic skills and fitness in the past two years that McCarthy's training is not good enough.

Either the County Board are being completely disingenous in re-appointing him or, far more worryingly, they don't even see the problem.

Frankly, I can't rule out the latter.

[Brad]

When it came the big game against Kilkenny this year, Sully was Cork's best player but I agree he wasnt up to it the rest of the year.

Did Donal Og cost us any game this year? Far from it. In fact if it wasnt for him Dublin could have put Cork out of this years Championship FFS. Also look at the Waterford drawn match last year. Made 2 great saves that day as well. At the moment I'd rather have him in goal than anyone else simply because since 2004 he's been the best goalkeeper in the country.

On Semplegate all sides in this current dispute felt Cork were wronged badly. However the damage it delt wasnt fatal. We still should have beaten Tipp which would have led to an easier quarter final which a properly prepared Crok team would surely have won.

In fact the more I think of it, the more I realise what a disaster Gerald's reign was. However I still have a degree of sympathy for him but that wore thinner after the press leaks last week.

Jesus you really have tunnel Cork vision. Can you not see outside of Cork at all? Donal Og the best keeper my hole since 2004. Brendan Cummins is ahead of him now, Damien Fitzhenry is better and when Davy Fitz was around he would not be fit to tie his bootlaces. You say if were not for Donal Og, Dublin would have put us out - christ almighty i don't give a shit how bad you think a manager is, if Cork are relying on saves to beat mighty Dublin then the players would want to take a fucking long look at themselves.

Sully played well against KK but you can't take away from the fact he was very overweight this year. That man was clearly well overweight. in previous years he was trim ( as trim as a guy like him can be) but this year twas a disaster. Tis hardly GM's fault.

As for Semplegate clearly all sides did not feel it was over the top as there was hefty suspension. Did the players ever apologies for that? My point is the players always seem to have some ol excuse - maybe they should start looking at themselves.

[RonnyB]

Jesus you really have tunnel Cork vision. Can you not see outside of Cork at all? Donal Og the best keeper my hole since 2004. Brendan Cummins is ahead of him now, Damien Fitzhenry is better and when Davy Fitz was around he would not be fit to tie his bootlaces. You say if were not for Donal Og, Dublin would have put us out - christ almighty i don't give a shit how bad you think a manager is, if Cork are relying on saves to beat mighty Dublin then the players would want to take a fucking long look at themselves.

Sully played well against KK but you can't take away from the fact he was very overweight this year. That man was clearly well overweight. in previous years he was trim ( as trim as a guy like him can be) but this year twas a disaster. Tis hardly GM's fault.

As for Semplegate clearly all sides did not feel it was over the top as there was hefty suspension. Did the players ever apologies for that? My point is the players always seem to have some ol excuse - maybe they should start looking at themselves.

On Semplegate read my last post again. I said all sides in this current dispute. And yes the players did apologise. Thing is thats not going to get you off a suspension. Ask Paul Galvin. Also many of The Sunday Game pundits thought the bans were too excessive. Anyway it still was a card over played as a Cork excuse.

On The goalkeeper thing. Fitzhenry has always been quality, I just think Donal Og has taking things on in the last 5 years. How many other goalkeepers came within an asses roar of hurler of the year? Brendan Cummins is excellent but he was dropped last year albeit wrongly IMO. I was certainly no Donal Og fan with regards his ability as a goalkeeper but the improvement has been immense.

Yes Sully was over-weight. I agree. Funny though how fit he was under the previous regime.

[RonnyB]

Too many fellas overcompensating for their failings on the GAA field by being macho "fíor Gaels" afterwards.

Being thrown planks of hurleys that were a size too big for lads underage, complete fucking know nothings training teams. I remember making shite out of both hamstrings with some ill-thought out January session slip sliding around in the mud with no warm up.

Sorry Ronny, maybe you're at a better run club than I was back in the day, but the GAA (and many other sports) are often officiated by fellas who haven't a notion about playing the game and more's the pity.

It is clear to anyone reading what the players are saying and watching the dramatic decline in their basic skills and fitness in the past two years that McCarthy's training is not good enough.

Either the County Board are being completely disingenous in re-appointing him or, far more worryingly, they don't even see the problem.

Frankly, I can't rule out the latter.

Was talking about officers KK not coaches. Any coach must have played the game to a respectable adult level IMO in order to be allowed free reign on any team.

[Actin The Sham]

Maybe it would be best for everyone if we just pulled out of next years intercounty championships (League and All-Ireland) and gave ourselves twelve months to try and sort this out.

[stevetharlear]

don't mind Brad, he's having a bad week, what with a Black man getting the top job in the States n everything, it's a tough time to be a racist.
He'll be gutted about Hamilton winning Sunday as well.

BLACK POWER BRAD!

[legend76]

That BRAD lad is some muppet !!

[Youghal Exile]

This brad is a wum just stop replying to him.

[stevetharlear]

If I were leading the players I would have told them that individual interviews were a huge no no, straight off. By doing so, it gave the Board and Gerald plenty ammo to work with. Essentially this statement today is trying to correct Gerald on everything he has said in relation to Ben's interview. We're still no further down the tracks.

Realistically, bar a few key changes in personnel in key positions, a massive improvement in performance and a dip in Kilkennys standards, it's unlikely we would have a team capable of beating them next year, in fact, my primary concern would have been beating Tipp, not Kilkenny.
I'd have to disagree with ya on that Rebel. For 55 minutes in the Pairc in June, this same team, even with a dodgy enough starting 15, beat Tipp off the park, without pulling away on the scoreboard, and I mean beat them off the park. The last 7 or 8 minutes of each half was where Tipp hurt us, taking their scores well after we squandered a ridiculous amount of ours.
Maybe it's just me but I felt robbed walking back into town after.

As for KK, they could've put more on the board against us, I feel they backed off a bit, but at the same time I've never witnessed this Cork team be bullied and out thought like they were that day.
Basic hurling skills and toughness were non-existant in Croker, I'm sure that with 6 months proper coaching behing them and the fire in their belly they'd run KK close.

Yes, I know it won't happen, because I can't see either side backing down sufficiently in this dispute. This is what gives me the sick feeling in the pit of my stomach though.

[Mick Lyons]

Yes Sully was over-weight. I agree. Funny though how fit he was under the previous regime.

Ah FFS! You can't pin everything on Gerald. Sully should be well able to keep his weight in check at this stage. He's getting older though which makes it a bit harder to do each year.

[RonnyB]

Ah FFS! You can't pin everything on Gerald. Sully should be well able to keep his weight in check at this stage. He's getting older though which makes it a bit harder to do each year.

To be honest I was a bit tongue-in-cheek with the last comment. Sully's fitness is his responsibility.

[stevetharlear]

On keepers, Fitzhenry is the best in the country IMO.

Between Cummins and Cusack I'd have Donal EVERY game, as an all round keeper he's streets ahead, he just doesn't dive around all day.

[Youghal Exile]

Remember cummins theatrics in the 03 all ireland semi final.If he just caught the ball properly the first time instead of acting the show off there wouldnt have been a goal.

[BlueSkies]

If it was in fact Gerald who released the 'we all love Gerald' thing to the Echo, them's grounds for resignation IMO.

[Youghal Exile]

If it was in fact Gerald who released the 'we all love Gerald' thing to the Echo, them's grounds for resignation IMO.

Gerald should go back to writing for the echo.

[Barry K O Bama]

Ah FFS! You can't pin everything on Gerald. Sully should be well able to keep his weight in check at this stage. He's getting older though which makes it a bit harder to do each year.

Sully has been playing rugby this winter with Highfield. He is in great shape and looks lighter and fitter than he's done for years. I just hope we see him at No 3 this year and we'll see guys bouncing off him like the good old days. He will bust that gob-shite 'Big Dan Shanahan' if he comes across him.

[Barry K O Bama]

If it was in fact Gerald who released the 'we all love Gerald' thing to the Echo, them's grounds for resignation IMO.

You've hit the nail on the head there BlueSkies. O Reilly gave a copy to each panel member and Gerald. The players are ademant that none of them released their copy. That 'fat-head' John Horgan of the Echo will refuse to disclose his source but theres no cigars for guessing who dunnit.

It was a scurrilous reprehensible act and no player from the 2007 panel will ever, ever again line out for Gerald.

[Kieran B Good]

There is one other thing that keeps popping into my head over and over.

"If Gm was not capable of taking that Waterford Team any further than he did. How was he expected to lead a proven Cork squad to a level he had previously failed to achieve. Its like repeating the leaving without studying in between" The results don't just get better. He should have had to do what John Allen proved to be a good formula and being part of a winning selection committee first.
(this is not an attack on the man personally but "professionally")

His reaction and the fact he took the job shows lack of leadership and proves he had again no strategy or plan in going into adversity. This also shows a lack of the professionalism that is now required at this level (Teddy Holland take note). The breach of trust on the "O'Reilly" issue just concretes the fact that this squad or any remaining bulk of it that might out fight FM's latest ambush will find it extremely difficult to work in conjunction with GM and Co.

The solution is unclear. Gerald should step down for several reasons.

1- Lost the trust of the team
2- Lost the co-operation of the team
3- Has shown he's tactically not up to the job
4- If he really wants Cork Hurling to flourish this can't be the right course of action
5- Is losing the support of the supporters (those that actually play a team sport at any level cannot support his actions)
6- will tarnish his good name as he will never win All-Ireland and will go down in History as Franks whipping boy and the straw that broke the camels back.

Gerald for Corks sake make yourself unavailable.

[Youghal Exile]

There is one other thing that keeps popping into my head over and over.

"If Gm was not capable of taking that Waterford Team any further than he did. How was he expected to lead a proven Cork squad to a level he had previously failed to achieve. Its like repeating the leaving without studying in between" The results don't just get better. He should have had to do what John Allen proved to be a good formula and being part of a winning selection committee first.
(this is not an attack on the man personally but "professionally")

His reaction and the fact he took the job shows lack of leadership and proves he had again no strategy or plan in going into adversity. This also shows a lack of the professionalism that is now required at this level (Teddy Holland take note). The breach of trust on the "O'Reilly" issue just concretes the fact that this squad or any remaining bulk of it that might out fight FM's latest ambush will find it extremely difficult to work in conjunction with GM and Co.

The solution is unclear. Gerald should step down for several reasons.

1- Lost the trust of the team
2- Lost the co-operation of the team
3- Has shown he's tactically not up to the job
4- If he really wants Cork Hurling to flourish this can't be the right course of action
5- Is losing the support of the supporters (those that actually play a team sport at any level cannot support his actions)
6- will tarnish his good name as he will never win All-Ireland and will go down in History as Franks whipping boy and the straw that broke the camels back.

Gerald for Corks sake make yourself unavailable.

Your on the ball.

[bigboyfoolish]

This shouldn't be about Gerald MacCarthy though in
the same way it was about Teddy Holland last time out..

If Gerald does fall on his sword which is inevitable really
it negates the core issue and the real problem goes unsolved once again.

And what will happen in two years time?

We'll be back here all over again..

[Barry K O Bama]

This shouldn't be about Gerald MacCarthy though in
the same way it was about Teddy Holland last time out..

If Gerald does fall on his sword which is inevitable really
it negates the core issue and the real problem goes unsolved once again.

And what will happen in two years time?

We'll be back here all over again..


Fully agree with you here BBF. Its obvious there is a sub-plot here. The CB were ok about appointing Conor Counihan but they couldn't start to assert their control straight away after Knob-head Nicky sent in K Mulvey to sort things out.
Anybody that knows how Frank operates knew that he would make a stand on Gerald. It was an ideal way to dump Sean Og and Donal Og. Frank was livid when Sean Og called for him to step down during the last dispute. Donal Og has been a thorn in his side since 2002. FACT :- Stand up to Frank and sooner or later he will get u.

[corkoniense]

I think the hurlers' statement is excellent in the circumstances. We have to remember, just as they have played ch'ship over the past couple of seasons with the handicap of a Frankeen-controlled coach mismanaging them and a spiteful board laying booby traps all round them, that they must also fight this good fight with one hand tied behind their back.

America lost the moral high ground when it abolished habeus corpus and gave us the spectre of Guantanamo Bay, but at least the American people are now on the road to redemption. For all their recent mistakes, the Cork hurlers are refusing to fight dirty and to their credit, have refused to utter directly the words that haunt this latest tawdry affair: Dictatorship, corruption, blackmail. They know they must leave that to the free press, the law and the ordinary GAA people of Cork who have to take action. If these three arms of civic society do not do their duty and Frankeen wins, then the players go down with honour together. Far more noble than the slavery the rest of us endure. Of course they have not uttered these words, but the words they use scream at us to pay attention to what they have to say.

Their statement starts off pretty contrite, recognising that it will annoy a jaded public, but point out that the board is up to no good, attempting to win another propaganda war. They point out that they don't pick the manager, but also that they don't want to do so. They point out that all this is Mulvey's idea, not theirs.

More importantly, they show the ridiculous nature of Ger Mc's statement "My appointment was not a done deal". Reminds me of Teddy Holland's farcical assertion that "No other candidate refused the job before me". How do ye know lads? Cos Frank told ye? QED was the obvious truth that "Gerald wasn’t present at any of the five meetings and is not in a position to say whether the players are telling the truth or not. " Lends more weight to my earlier assertion that Ger Mc's statement was written by someone else with a far greater agenda.

The following five quotes quite clearly imply that the board is a corrupt dictatorship, and poor Gerald the helpless pawn masquerading as heroic battering ram.

“Not for the first time, the Cork County Board deems it necessary to say that what they have done in the past was correctly done.

"In two sentences, the innate contradiction of the county board statement is clearly set out. It can hardly be said that nobody was presented for consideration if there was a discussion of their names."


“Such moral weakness may prevail in other bodies, particularly those which can vote almost unanimously, in diametrically opposing ways, with just four days between each vote, like the Cork County Board.I believe they are referring to "Teddy we love you; Teddy your're fired" altho I'm open to correction”


“To say the board ‘may have been guilty of misjudgements in the past’ is a crass understatement. Gerald McCarthy was ‘elected’ as the sole candidate put forward by the board, following the county board secretary being, in Gerald’s words, ‘very persuasive’ in 2006."

The players through their words are highlighting the fundamental correctness of their cause, the strength of their resolve, the manic obsession of the secretary for total control (power corrupts: absolute power corrupts absolutely), the pity they have for Ger Mc, a man they once probably respected but thru his own actions has destroyed his reputation, and the need for the ordinary footsoldiers of the GAA in Cork to do something about it.

The County convention is on 13 December. Your AGM will be on before that. Take your parents, friends and kids down to the meeting and demand change. You might surprise yourself at how powerful you are: this rotting edifice is only waiting to be torn down.

[Barry K O Bama]

I think the hurlers' statement is excellent in the circumstances. We have to remember, just as they have played ch'ship over the past couple of seasons with the handicap of a Frankeen-controlled coach mismanaging them and a spiteful board laying booby traps all round them, that they must also fight this good fight with one hand tied behind their back.

America lost the moral high ground when it abolished habeus corpus and gave us the spectre of Guantanamo Bay, but at least the American people are now on the road to redemption. For all their recent mistakes, the Cork hurlers are refusing to fight dirty and to their credit, have refused to utter directly the words that haunt this latest tawdry affair: Dictatorship, corruption, blackmail. They know they must leave that to the free press, the law and the ordinary GAA people of Cork who have to take action. If these three arms of civic society do not do their duty and Frankeen wins, then the players go down with honour together. Far more noble than the slavery the rest of us endure. Of course they have not uttered these words, but the words they use scream at us to pay attention to what they have to say.

Their statement starts off pretty contrite, recognising that it will annoy a jaded public, but point out that the board is up to no good, attempting to win another propaganda war. They point out that they don't pick the manager, but also that they don't want to do so. They point out that all this is Mulvey's idea, not theirs.

More importantly, they show the ridiculous nature of Ger Mc's statement "My appointment was not a done deal". Reminds me of Teddy Holland's farcical assertion that "No other candidate refused the job before me". How do ye know lads? Cos Frank told ye? QED was the obvious truth that "Gerald wasn’t present at any of the five meetings and is not in a position to say whether the players are telling the truth or not. " Lends more weight to my earlier assertion that Ger Mc's statement was written by someone else with a far greater agenda.

The following five quotes quite clearly imply that the board is a corrupt dictatorship, and poor Gerald the helpless pawn masquerading as heroic battering ram.

“Not for the first time, the Cork County Board deems it necessary to say that what they have done in the past was correctly done.

"In two sentences, the innate contradiction of the county board statement is clearly set out. It can hardly be said that nobody was presented for consideration if there was a discussion of their names."


“Such moral weakness may prevail in other bodies, particularly those which can vote almost unanimously, in diametrically opposing ways, with just four days between each vote, like the Cork County Board.I believe they are referring to "Teddy we love you; Teddy your're fired" altho I'm open to correction”


“To say the board ‘may have been guilty of misjudgements in the past’ is a crass understatement. Gerald McCarthy was ‘elected’ as the sole candidate put forward by the board, following the county board secretary being, in Gerald’s words, ‘very persuasive’ in 2006."

The players through their words are highlighting the fundamental correctness of their cause, the strength of their resolve, the manic obsession of the secretary for total control (power corrupts: absolute power corrupts absolutely), the pity they have for Ger Mc, a man they once probably respected but thru his own actions has destroyed his reputation, and the need for the ordinary footsoldiers of the GAA in Cork to do something about it.

The County convention is on 13 December. Your AGM will be on before that. Take your parents, friends and kids down to the meeting and demand change. You might surprise yourself at how powerful you are: this rotting edifice is only waiting to be torn down.

Great Post Corkoniense ! The unity of the players is absolutely resolute. The fact that John Ga was prepared to go on primetime shows that. Gerald leaking the O Reilly Material was the end of him. Omitting 5 players from the Coleman's Game was confirmation that the entire thing is a sham and a Frank orchastrated vendetta.
Gerald's credibility is shattered.

U'r right. Even what appear to be the most untouchable dictatorship's can crumble quickly. Look at Ceaucescu ! (at this point I'm not advokating shooting Frank) Did we ever think in 1998 that the Berlin Wall would be gone within a year ?
So many people are coming out against Frank (John Allen called for a 'real revolution') that this time he just might be toppled. This has to be tackled at root and branch level in the clubs.

As was famously said about Nazi Germany - For Evil to Prevail all it needs is for GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING !

Th

[RonnyB]

Great Post Corkoniense ! The unity of the players is absolutely resolute. The fact that John Ga was prepared to go on primetime shows that. Gerald leaking the O Reilly Material was the end of him. Omitting 5 players from the Coleman's Game was confirmation that the entire thing is a sham and a Frank orchastrated vendetta.
Gerald's credibility is shattered.

U'r right. Even what appear to be the most untouchable dictatorship's can crumble quickly. Look at Ceaucescu ! (at this point I'm not advokating shooting Frank) Did we ever think in 1998 that the Berlin Wall would be gone within a year ?
So many people are coming out against Frank (John Allen called for a 'real revolution') that this time he just might be toppled. This has to be tackled at root and branch level in the clubs.

As was famously said about Nazi Germany - For Evil to Prevail all it needs is for GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING !

Th

You mean a united Germany in the 90's was a sham????

[Rebelred]

You mean a united Germany in the 90's was a sham????

also, can we invoke Godwins law here

[Rebelred]

If I were leading the players I would have told them that individual interviews were a huge no no, straight off. By doing so, it gave the Board and Gerald plenty ammo to work with. Essentially this statement today is trying to correct Gerald on everything he has said in relation to Ben's interview. We're still no further down the tracks.


I hate being right sometimes.

[Barry K O Bama]

Gerald's rantings are getting more bizarre by the day. I've given up watching Coronation St and Eastenders. I hope the players say something soon because I can't wait to read Gerald's next offering.

Today was his best by a country mile ! 'The academy, a centre of excellence'
This is unbelievable stuff. Aren't we paying a full time secretary - what is he supposed to be doing (apart from operating vendettas) surely he should be coming up with these ideas instead of saving money by giving out soggy sandwiches instead of horrendously expensive, new fangled food like pasta and chicken.

Another beaut :- 'The great pity of all of this is that a number of INTERESTING APPOINTMENTS which were to be announced by me are now on hold'
Jesus! Thats a f...cking disaster. And here's me worrying about the fact that some of the greatest hurlers ever seen are being forced out of wearing the jersey they love by an evil man with a comb-over hair style. Thanks Gerald Boy ! for setting me straight on the real issues here !

'So much of my time ...hurling time - for the last few years has been devoted to conflict resolution'

Gerald - would u ever wake up and smell the coffee ! Both John Allen and Donal O Grady have nothing but praise for these same group of players. In these 4 years we got to 4 finals, winning 2 and loosing 2 by one score in each game. You lost 5 games in 2 years, an 80 yr unbeaten home record vs Tipp. Didn't win a Munster or even get to an All-Ireland.

Did it ever occur to you that you might be the f...cking problem ? Did u perhaps consider that the relationship between u and the players had become a teeney, weeney bit dysfunctional when THE PLAYERS brought in Cathal O Reilly.

For Fucks Sake ! Man. What are u on?

Where in the name of god would a disasterous manager who hadn't a clue what he was doing and had not one iota of respect (as a coach) from the players be re-appointed without considering another candidate. Yes, yes, yes - Here in Cork by the master of reconciliation - Forgiving Frank and the Muppet CB Brigade. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

Then Mick Dolan - Chairman tells the players 'Its not the way to do business' Nice one Mick! U should know. These guys are some comedians.

I had respect for the moustache before this but he is nothing but a bull-shitter. He gives us the line that he is taking the stand because 'he doesn't believe in player-power and he is doing it for future managers.' Who is he trying to cod ? Teddy Holland must be disgusted to hear his crap now - where was Gerald in poor old Teddy's hour of need ? Planning the academy of excellence - no doubt ! Would Tommy Tiernan take the job?

[Youghal Exile]

Gerald's rantings are getting more bizarre by the day. I've given up watching Coronation St and Eastenders. I hope the players say something soon because I can't wait to read Gerald's next offering.

Today was his best by a country mile ! 'The academy, a centre of excellence'
This is unbelievable stuff. Aren't we paying a full time secretary - what is he supposed to be doing (apart from operating vendettas) surely he should be coming up with these ideas instead of saving money by giving out soggy sandwiches instead of horrendously expensive, new fangled food like pasta and chicken.

Another beaut :- 'The great pity of all of this is that a number of INTERESTING APPOINTMENTS which were to be announced by me are now on hold'
Jesus! Thats a f...cking disaster. And here's me worrying about the fact that some of the greatest hurlers ever seen are being forced out of wearing the jersey they love by an evil man with a comb-over hair style. Thanks Gerald Boy ! for setting me straight on the real issues here !

'So much of my time ...hurling time - for the last few years has been devoted to conflict resolution'

Gerald - would u ever wake up and smell the coffee ! Both John Allen and Donal O Grady have nothing but praise for these same group of players. In these 4 years we got to 4 finals, winning 2 and loosing 2 by one score in each game. You lost 5 games in 2 years, an 80 yr unbeaten home record vs Tipp. Didn't win a Munster or even get to an All-Ireland.

Did it ever occur to you that you might be the f...cking problem ? Did u perhaps consider that the relationship between u and the players had become a teeney, weeney bit dysfunctional when THE PLAYERS brought in Cathal O Reilly.

For Fucks Sake ! Man. What are u on?

Where in the name of god would a disasterous manager who hadn't a clue what he was doing and had not one iota of respect (as a coach) from the players be re-appointed without considering another candidate. Yes, yes, yes - Here in Cork by the master of reconciliation - Forgiving Frank and the Muppet CB Brigade. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

Then Mick Dolan - Chairman tells the players 'Its not the way to do business' Nice one Mick! U should know. These guys are some comedians.

I had respect for the moustache before this but he is nothing but a bull-shitter. He gives us the line that he is taking the stand because 'he doesn't believe in player-power and he is doing it for future managers.' Who is he trying to cod ? Teddy Holland must be disgusted to hear his crap now - where was Gerald in poor old Teddy's hour of need ? Planning the academy of excellence - no doubt ! Would Tommy Tiernan take the job?

I think youre the poster of the month.

[Youghal Exile]

Gerald in todays examiner this standoff is becoming a bore.At least we agree on something gerald.

[Barry K O Bama]

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I think youre the poster of the month.

Thanks Youghal Exile - Your'e doing well yourself !

Today's news that Donie Collins is stepping down as selector citing 'personal reasons' is very significant. This follows on the physical trainer Jerry Wallis of Midleton also stepping down earlier. Jerry knew this problem was coming down the track and like Donie, he is a decent guy and did not want to be involved in Frank's Vendetta.

Its also very significant that Gerald has had to put on hold 'a number of very interesting appointments' - I know for a fact that Gerald asked someone to be a new physical trainer replacing J Wallis. This man asked who he would be training and Gerald said a new group of players around 19/20 yrs of age. This sensible man politely declined.

If Gerald could fill the positions, he would and he'd probably hold a press conferance to annouce his choices - but no one wants to be like Poor Old Teddy Holland's management team - Who would sup from Gerald's poisoned chalice. (apart from Teddy McCarthy but he'd sup from anything)

Poor Diarmuid O Donovan of the Echo got such a '50' that he hasn't been able to bring himself to write about football since. He writes about cricket, soccer even synchronised swimming but no gaelic football - anybody else notice this?

Would any true Cork GAA Man want to be a part of this evil axis - with the express aim of pursuing Frank's vendettas?

Personally I'm delighted that Gerald has been such a gob-shite - Even dyed-in-the-wool Frank Men are privately acknowledgeing that Gerald has to go. He WAS a legend but unfortunately the man can't coach at the required modern day level. Also he can't keep his big gob shut.
Its better that he is burning (did I say burning? I meant nuking) all his bridges because Frank would have sought to save face by keeping Gerald as manager/selector and bringing in a younger coach. That would be a disaster -Gerald must go.

Frank has completely over shot the runway on this one. He has made it obvious that he wants to get rid of :- Donal Og, Sean Og, Ronan Curran, Joe Deane and John Gardiner. He is so confident in his own position that he doesn't give a f...ck and didn't even try to hide his actions.

I hope that there are enough good men left in Cork GAA to finally make a decisive move against that reprehensible, low-life, scheming, vindictive c...nt !