Noel O Flynn and Michael Mcgrath

[Lamps]

On Wednesday nights echo Noel O Flynn said that it was a good budget and that, wait for it, the pensioners did well out of it, I think his main (laughable) point was that between the fuel allowance and pension increase they came out 9 euros better off per week. By Friday, having seen the public reaction, he pulled his usual stunt of faux outrage and was keen to be heard saying he was dead against the losing of medical cards for some saying it was an unfair budget for the elderly.

Not to be outdone, Michael Mcgrath actually trumped the master in speaking from both sides of his mouth by appearing on the 9 o clock news on Friday night, fully backing, Cowen and Linehan. I saw it with my own two eyes. Himself and some other young TD were sent out to say how we all needed to do our bit and that this measure was necessary. Then lo and behold, on Saturday morning's echo, I got it at 11.30(it gets printed about 8am), McGrath is quoted on the front page saying that he knew the moment he saw it that the budget was unfair and that something needed to be done.

Fucking snakes the pair of them. Who do they think the are fooling

[ChairmanMiah]

LOL ... why does Animal Farm keep on coming to mind ... particularly the character Squealer ...


"Squealer, a small fat porker, serves as Napoleon's right hand pig and minister of propaganda ... Squealer manipulates the language to excuse, justify, and extol all of Napoleon's actions ... In all of his work, George Orwell made it a point to show how politicians used language. Squealer limits debate by complicating it and he confuses and disorients ... Squealer uses statistics to convince the animals that life is getting better and better. "

Fat porkers ... LMAO ;)

[Some user]

Lamps, that's a great point if it's true. Can you scan the pieces side by side and post them up here?

[Lamps]

Lamps, that's a great point if it's true. Can you scan the pieces side by side and post them up here?

Not sure if I still have Wednesday's echo, but I'm sure i have saturdays. I'll look into it.

[Arcadia]

The same Michael McGrath that promised that Cork Airport would be Debt free if he got elected ?

2 FLIP-FLOPPING SPOOFERS.

[miahp]

I know little about McGrath, but O'Flynn has made a career out of being two faced since he first entered politics.

[Lamps]

The same Michael McGrath that promised that Cork Airport would be Debt free if he got elected ?

2 FLIP-FLOPPING SPOOFERS.

McGrath's carry on this weekend was spectacular though.

I was actually shocked at the cheek of him backing Cowen as late as 9 o clock on Friday night, and at the same time finding time to do an interview with the echo which he must have done at roughly the same time seeing as the echo goes to print at the dawn on Saturday, saying the exact opposite

[Arcadia]

McGrath's carry on this weekend was spectacular though.

I was actually shocked at the cheek of him backing Cowen as late as 9 o clock on Friday night, and at the same time finding time to do an interview with the echo which he must have done at roughly the same time seeing as the echo goes to print at the dawn on Saturday, saying the exact opposite

Before mass media,internet etc you could get away with this sort of stuff.

This is like the useless FG/Labour coalition of the 80's

Crisis to crisis and zero solutions.

[ChairmanMiah]

God, the resemblance to Squealer is strong ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1985000/images/_1986739_oflynn_150. jpg

http://www.fiannafail.ie/images/portraits/190.jpg

[Some user]

Not sure if I still have Wednesday's echo, but I'm sure i have saturdays. I'll look into it.

Good man. Its just there's so much "truth" on internet forums that turns out not to be so it would really back it up if you could get Wednesdays Echo and scan it.

[Lamps]

http://www.eecho.ie/pdf/front.pdf

here is the front page of saturday's echo


Cork woman sent to A&E, unable to
sleep and sick with worry over budget
AN elderly Cork woman was
so worried about losing her
medical card that she was
unable to sleep for two
nights and ended up in A&E
because of the stress.
That is according to Fianna Fáil’s
Cork South Central TD Michael
McGrath, who today called on the
Government to put their hands up
and admit they made a mistake
about introducing medical card
means testing for over-70s.
Deputy McGrath said: “The
moment I heard the announcement
I knew it was going to be explosive.
I think it was a mistake. I think we
should put our hands up and show a
bit of humility.”

On Friday he is sent out by Cowen to put the blame on the IMO.
He says they are paid "4 times as much as they should be for pensioners(who gave them that?) and that in the national interest, they should play their part and reduce their fees."
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1017/9news.html
2.44 mins in.


Which is it Michael?


Talk about a pwning

[ChairmanMiah]

http://www.eecho.ie/pdf/front.pdf

here is the front page of saturday's echo


Cork woman sent to A&E, unable to
sleep and sick with worry over budget
AN elderly Cork woman was
so worried about losing her
medical card that she was
unable to sleep for two
nights and ended up in A&E
because of the stress.
That is according to Fianna Fáil’s
Cork South Central TD Michael
McGrath, who today called on the
Government to put their hands up
and admit they made a mistake
about introducing medical card
means testing for over-70s.
Deputy McGrath said: “The
moment I heard the announcement
I knew it was going to be explosive.
I think it was a mistake. I think we
should put our hands up and show a
bit of humility.”

On Friday he is sent out by Cowen to put the blame on the IMO.
He says they are paid "4 times as much as they should be for pensioners(who gave them that?) and that in the national interest, they should play their part and reduce their fees."
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1017/9news.html
2.44 mins in.


Which is it Michael?


Talk about a pwning


Sweet ...

[Arcadia]

He should be e-mailed this ?

[Lamps]

He should be e-mailed this ?

I'm guessing he does what he's told, he's new to the game and was given instructions to try and deflect blame and put it on the IMO, if he said no to Coughlan or Cowen, he might as well pack it in as his card would have been marked, between this and the airport debt stuff, he's not exactly covering himself in glory.

[ChairmanMiah]

He should be e-mailed this ?

Why the question mark ... E-mail the fucker with it and wipe that cheesy grin off his face ...

BTW - where's the opposition on this ... or journalists ...

[Lamps]

Why the question mark ... E-mail the fucker with it and wipe that cheesy grin off his face ...

BTW - where's the opposition on this ... or journalists ...

Fat Flynn's is worse. hopefully i have that echo

[KD Langer]

great stuff lamps.

[ChairmanMiah]

Fat Flynn's is worse. hopefully i have that echo

Let's have it ...

As for the opposition, probably writing character references for convicted rapists ...

:rolleyes:

[Arcadia]

Why the question mark ... E-mail the fucker with it and wipe that cheesy grin off his face ...

BTW - where's the opposition on this ... or journalists ...

? as I hiope someone on here has his e-mail address ?

The Govt. are getting slaughtered on this.

Rightly so.

Then you have the doublespeak specialists McGrath & O'Flynn.

[Actin The Sham]

He has a generic FF email address:

http://www.fiannafail.ie/person.phpx?pid=190&bid=420&rel=TD&aid=113

[Rebelred]

Flynn is the biggest two faced c**t of them all. Once Brian Cowen went on Radio 1 yesterday he was back towing the party line again. He will never vote against the government on any issue, he is nothing without his party and he knows it.

[ChairmanMiah]

They're not the only ones at the doublespeak

http://www.irishblogs.ie/images/403503.JPG

[Lamps]

Flynn is the biggest two faced c**t of them all. Once Brian Cowen went on Radio 1 yesterday he was back towing the party line again. He will never vote against the government on any issue, he is nothing without his party and he knows it.

Still, I hope I can get the quotes.

Prendeville would have a field day with an email setting out exactly what these two jokers will say to you on the same day.

[Lamps]

They're not the only ones at the doublespeak

http://www.irishblogs.ie/images/403503.JPG

From next year Arland will have the largest class sizes in the EU.

The old, the sick, the kids and the poor are being targeted.

The builders,banks and vintners got bailed out.

[Rebelred]

Still, I hope I can get the quotes.

Prendeville would have a field day with an email setting out exactly what these two jokers will say to you on the same day.

fairly certain I have Wednesdays echo at home, i'll have a dig around to see if I can find it, normally use them for starting the fire.

[Riordan]

Meh this is O'Flynn's usual anti Government rant, he played the same stunt last year, speaking out against the health system.

http://api.ning.com/files/ZMIgSmDJldhJQ6FBoVWG DxpulZPdS7lmyAFTq9q-wv3qldcgV6CuYCZdkrSL xpHV8yRkMmhZnJ7vNsru BwmMc9uuI2DUtH2C/PeterGriffin.jpg

[Lamps]

ps, lets not forget Finnian McGrath in all of this, this man did a special deal with Bertie to give him his support. A deal which by its nature, screwed the rest of the country as his constituency gets preferential treatment over most others. He pulled a similar stunt last year as a favour for backing jabba the hut over the breast cancer services and got 2 million quid given to Beaumont for something or other. This man also has a full time civil servant employed to keep himself and the other independents in liason with Cowen.

He then has neck to say he'll withdraw support again over the medical card, wonder what he's angling for this time?

[Rebelred]

ps, lets not forget Finnian McGrath in all of this, this man did a special deal with Bertie to give him his support. A deal which by its nature, screwed the rest of the country as his constituency gets preferential treatment over most others. He pulled a similar stunt last year as a favour for backing jabba the hut over the breast cancer services and got 2 million quid given to Beaumont for something or other. This man also has a full time civil servant employed to keep himself and the other independents in liason with Cowen.

He then has neck to say he'll withdraw support again over the medical card, wonder what he's angling for this time?
probably for extra educational resources in his constituency, smaller class sizes and more teachers.

[Murdock]

I know little about McGrath, but O'Flynn has made a career out of being two faced since he first entered politics.


It's no wonder Cork is so badly served by central government when we keep sending these fucking useless, self-serving gombeen men to represent us. O'Flynn, especially, is a terrible indictment on the intelligence of the Cork electorate. He truly is an absolute cretin of a man. He must be the worst politician in the country.

[ChairmanMiah]

He truly is an absolute cretin of a man. He must be the worst politician in the country.

He's got competition!

http://www.icecreamireland. com/images/Caughtwic/JackieHealyRae2-sm.jpg

[Lamps]

He's got competition!

http://www.icecreamireland. com/images/Caughtwic/JackieHealyRae2-sm.jpg


by Liam Fay
The three amigos

Mercenary bankers, developers and tax exiles aren’t the only over-indulged beneficiaries of the boom who evidently believe it's up to others to endure the pain in straitened times.

Jackie Healy-Rae, Finian McGrath and Michael Lowry, the “independent” TDs who support the government, are also demonstrating scant solidarity with the hard-pressed and vulnerable on whom the budget imposes an unequal burden.

Vast public expenditure was lavished on secret deals to secure the parliamentary votes of these public representatives. Yet, despite bluster over medical cards, the government’s three amigos have thus far declined to emulate true independents like the late Jim Kemmy by refusing to endorse an unjust budget.

Healy-Rae justifies his position by boasting that he’s had “a pile of things sorted out for south Kerry”. Let them eat cake — we're alright, Jack!

[Rebelred]

checked for last wednesday echo...found it...pages 1-6 are missing, think Noel's quotes are in there, can't see them anywhere after that. Disgusted.

[Lamps]

checked for last wednesday echo...found it...pages 1-6 are missing, think Noel's quotes are in there, can't see them anywhere after that. Disgusted.

I may have made a mistake, it was in last wednesdays Cork Independent that I saw it, though I may also may have read it in the echo as he has a column there.
Anyhow, I read it again this evening in a friends gaff, to paraphrase as I don't have it have my own copy to hand: It said, "apart from Noel O Flynn, mentioning the increases that the pensioners got which would make a big differnece to them, he added that "this budget protects the weakest and most vulnerable in our society" "
Still available in most garages.

Two days later, from rte.ie


Fianna Fáil backbencher Noel O'Flynn has told RTÉ News that he would not be able to support the Social Welfare Bill if it includes the removal of the automatic right to a medical card from the over-70s. He said he would be speaking to his party organisation in Cork North Central over the weekend, but he had put the Chief Whip on notice that he would have great difficulty with the measure.

[ChairmanMiah]

http://lolabrigada.files.wo rdpress.com/2008/04/shocked_kidz_at_pc_s m.jpg

I am shocked to my foundations! I never could have believed such a fine, upstanding, hard-working, intelligent member of our community could be so hypocritical!!!
Has he ever done this before ;)

Thanks Lamps for highlighting this? I hope he doesn't do it again!

[jewtown lad]

O FLYNN ! just shows ya how thick cork people (voters) are..

[mr.selfDestruct]

Fianna Fail have been in government since 1997. That's way too long for any party to be in government! The way they presented this budget shows just how out of touch they are with society in general. I don't really have anytime for the obvious alternative either, but I'd welcome them over Fianna Fail at this stage. To be honest(not that I have ever voted for them) after they won the last election I though, fuck it, we deserve what we get. Even saying that, the Cork voters totally let themselves down after the way they (and still continue to) compleatly fuck us over with concerns to Cork Airport.

[KD Langer]

Fianna Fail have been in government since 1997. That's way too long for any party to be in government! The way they presented this budget shows just how out of touch they are with society in general. I don't really have anytime for the obvious alternative either, but I'd welcome them over Fianna Fail at this stage. To be honest(not that I have ever voted for them) after they won the last election I though, fuck it, we deserve what we get. Even saying that, the Cork voters totally let themselves down after the way they (and still continue to) compleatly fuck us over with concerns to Cork Airport.

FF have been in government for all but 2 of the last 20 years.i may be wrong on this, but i don't think they've ever been out of government for more than one election at a time.