The Official All-Ireland Senior Football Final Thread

[Annie Hall]

Discuss.

[Eoin]

I hope its a decent game. Couldn't give a toss who wins though.

[bigboyfoolish]

Kerry will win by a good bit...
But unlike Signor Eoin I hope Tyrone win.



If Kerry do not win and this is a possibility {however remote} then Tyrone have arguably been the best side this decade.

and i'm sure that benign and almost objectionable phrase 'soft all irelands' will rear its ugly head on ye..

[POL]

Tyrone will bate them.

[BlackAvon08]

Tyrone have showed very little to suggest they can beat a Kerry team going for a 3-in-a-row. The Dublin / Tyrone game was over with 20 minutes to go – The Dubs simply gave up. Wexford have some nice footballers but they are not up to standard.

Kerry have improved from last year, thanks to the introduction of Tommy Walsh and they are less reliant on Dirty Dara – although there is still room for improvement in this department. They also have learned that they can play & win without the “Wannabe Hard Man” Galvin. Kerry’s biggest advantage of course is Cork. We again gave them honest hard games & exposed their weaknesses. In fairness to Kerry they learn their lessons well!

From a Cork Football supporters point of view it is truly frustrating to see Kerry in another final – I really hope Conor can take the positives from this year, inject a little more ruthlessness and mould us into the team we can be. Roll on 2009!

Hopefully it will be a good game on Sunday – invariably the best team comes out on top. I predict Kerry by 6 points.

[POL]

and why do you think Dublin gave up? They were blown out of it thats why

[Actin The Sham]

Tyrone will bate them.

I'm not surprised you're rooting for the UK team.

:grin:

[Glenagow]

Should be a good close game. The '05 final was a cracker. I've a feeling Kerry will win it but I really hope I'm wrong and Tyrone sneak it. I think Tyrone have an advantage on the sideline. Pat O'Shea has looked a bit tired and emotional this year while Mickey Harte always seems calm and composed.

If Tyrone do win it I think they are the team of the decade. When you consider what they've been through its immense. The Cormac McAnallen tragedy for one but even since 2005 they've been plagued by injury more than anyone else. Dooher, O'Neill and particularly Brian McGuigan who was the outstanding player in the '05 final. A real class act I think. Also its a much tougher system to come through from Ulster. Kerry are a great team but the system does suit them. They get a tough game off Cork in a Munster final and win or lose they're not in a bad position. Ulster's a minefield and the earlier you knocked out of tht the more you have to play.

In the cold light of day Kerry seem to have the edge. But if Tyrone can limit Donaghy, Declan O'Sullivan and Cooper they're in with a great shout. Cavanagh has the potential to do real damage at full-forward and Tommy McGuigan and McCullouch are well capable of causing trouble for the Kerry corner backs. They won in '05 despite being decimated at mid-field (they out-footballed Kerry that day but the media couldn't cope with that). Harte is a good tactician and if whatever plan he has ready for Donaghy works they'll be close.

Looking forward to it actually!

[bigboyfoolish]

Looking forward to it actually!


yeah me too.. The one thing Tyrone have going for them
is that they don't seem too fussed about the big day.
They actually embrace it like few others can.

They have that wily old fox on the line too..

But I'd have to agree with blackavon. Kerry have improved from last year.

Very mature as well. Declan O Sullivan, Donaghy, Gooch, Aidan O'Mahony and Marc O Se are all entering their prime. They have oodles of experience in the older O'Se Brothers..
And Tommy Walsh has certainly freshened things up for them up front.

They play the best football. Are excellent to watch but I hate the sight of that jersey with every fibre of my being and hope Tyrone win.

They won't and I agree. Kerry by 5-6 Pts..

[megatron]

Tyrone by 7 points

[BlackAvon08]

and why do you think Dublin gave up? They were blown out of it thats why

Yes - Tyrone are a fine team. They defend and attack as a cohesive unit. They are very impressive but I have a feeling the Dubs blew it due to their mental brittleness - I think their manager instilled aggression into their game but not mental toughness.

[bigboyfoolish]

Massive row broken out amongst the Dub's lads..

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID= 101283


His opinion has got be respected.. this will ruffle a few feathers.

Sets it right up for the new man coming in..

whelan reponds then..
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID= 101310

[Johnnyc]

Haven't got time to write a long post on this as I'm snowed under. I have Tyrone to win by four.

Hopefully its a good game.

Tir Eoghain abu!

[Annie Hall]

Right, I'm out the gap in the morning. Getting the jitters now, but I'm more confident than I was all week.

Ciarraí 2-14
Tír Eoghain 1-13

CIARRAí ABú!

[ho chi feen]

Hope it'll be a good game.

[bigboyfoolish]

Kerry will definitely get one goal.. not sure about two..

Tyrone not prone to giving too many away..

Kerry to win by a good bit..

Kerry to win in a bad tempered game..

Two sendings off.. One from each team.

Kerry to win by five 1-15 to 13pts

[bigboyfoolish]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/0920/devinej.html?gaa


Nothing like a good cause to sway and motivate..

Tyrone like any team love a good cause..

I change my mind..

Tyrone to win a thriller..

[johnnyboy]

Good luck to Kerry from all at the PROC.

[the puerto rican feen]

Good luck to Kerry from all at the PROC.

On your own

[mushypea]

Good luck to Kerry from all at the PROC.

speak for yourself.....:mrgree n:


Gwon Tyrone !!!!!
Mush will be on the prowl later on tonight...

[Maw Maw]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/0920/devinej.html?gaa


Nothing like a good cause to sway and motivate..

Tyrone like any team love a good cause..

I change my mind..

Tyrone to win a thriller..



whats good about someones father dying?

[Poison]

Good luck to Kerry from all at the PROC.


Go away out of that..

Up Tyrone!:)

[Rebelred]

mayo should have won the minor.

come on Tyrone, sock it to cunts!

[ho chi feen]

Dirty Darragh strikes again.

I think Tyrone will win this.

[Poison]

Tyrone are beginning to upset Kerry.It will be very close and hard to call which way it will go.It is going to be some 2nd half.

Darragh must be wondering what is happening.Years of getting away with sneaky digs are catching up with him as all the officials and opposition players are now well up to his tricks..

[Jay-birdd]

Goalllllllllllllllll llllll come on tyrone fuCk ye kerry boggers

[eire_sai]

Thats it now, injury time, outstanding second half

[3pointplay]

No 3 in a row. Fuck you star ya langer.

[Poison]

Brilliant display of football...

Sean Cavanagh for man of the match...

Well done Tyrone.Absolutely delighted.

[Lynk]

hooray for steroids

[redrebel]

Not surprised by this result at all. If anyone was at the AI semi's..you could see how efficient Tyrone were...never took difficult chances, only shot fo r goal when it was on. We were unlucky against kerry in the replay...we got on top on the scoresheet, I saw several Kerry players on the ground with cramp etc... They were flat out...then darren O'Sullivan got the goal and we hadnt enough time to get back.

Today kerry missed that goal chance, rathe r the keeper made a good svae , but overall Sean kavanagh was immense and they would have beaten us too easily Id say today.

But to be honest Im glad Tyrone won, it was becoming annoying thinking how Dara OSe & Galvin would be holding the trophy aloft as though it was their birth rite. I dont think it was clever of them to say they had a score to settle with Tyrone and this was going to be it... they were fairly beaten the last times aswell.

How many points for Star today.... mouthy git... NIL Points...

Sean Cavanagh MoTM.;)

[BlueSkies]

Sean Cavanagh is some man.

[thefacts]

Not surprised by this result at all. If anyone was at the AI semi's..you could see how efficient Tyrone were...never took difficult chances, only shot fo r goal when it was on. We were unlucky against kerry in the replay...we got on top on the scoresheet, I saw several Kerry players on the ground with cramp etc... They were flat out...then darren O'Sullivan got the goal and we hadnt enough time to get back.

Today kerry missed that goal chance, rathe r the keeper made a good svae , but overall Sean kavanagh was immense and they would have beaten us too easily Id say today.

But to be honest Im glad Tyrone won, it was becoming annoying thinking how Dara OSe & Galvin would be holding the trophy aloft as though it was their birth rite. I dont think it was clever of them to say they had a score to settle with Tyrone and this was going to be it... they were fairly beaten the last times aswell.



when they held they deserved it, although Im glad that Tyrone one too. If it had been a situation where cooper popped a golden one in the last few minutes the better team would have lost. Today it was the entire tyrone team against 4 or 5 kerry men, and even they often lost sight of team effort. Kerry should have won it but didn't. Fair play to Tyrone, they took them down. Darren O'Sullivan for man of the match.

[ho chi feen]

they would have beaten us too easily Id say today.

They would have cleaned us out.

Oustanding performance today from Tyrone, just like in their last two games. Don't think the final score flattered them in any way, if anything it a few uncharacteristically sloppy misses by the Ulster team that led to Kerry still being in the game until the last few minutes. With the exception of Gooch and one or two others, Kerry were simply second best in every are of the field.

[BlueSkies]

when they held they deserved it, although Im glad that Tyrone one too. If it had been a situation where cooper popped a golden one in the last few minutes the better team would have lost. Today it was the entire tyrone team against 4 or 5 kerry men, and even they often lost sight of team effort. Kerry should have won it but didn't. Fair play to Tyrone, they took them down. Darren O'Sullivan for man of the match.

In your fucking dreams.

[JonnyOnionRings]

fairness Tyrone missed some sloppy wides towards end . Shot from way too far out but delighted they won. Thought they had it when Kerry went 1 up towards end but came back. Very close though . Could have went either way.

[mushypea]

Spose Annie Hall will be on tomorrow - MOANING as usual....:rolleyes:


Fucking delighted Tyrone won - and pulled away in the last 5 mins.
Brian Dooher is some man, you could see he was tired but played cleverly.
Cavanagh has to be MOTM - awesome.
Gonna head into town later to help Tyrone celebrate in style.....

As for Galvin - he made fuck all difference

[flesh_incinerator]

Kerry have great players.
Tyrone have a great team.
Things have to change in Kerry.

[ho chi feen]

I think we have to say that settles it, Tyrone have to be the team of this decade to date. Kerry are a fine side too, but could have they have bounced back from the adversity and foul luck that have plagued Tyrone in recent years? I'm not convinced. Kerry are no closer to figuring out how to beat Tyrone than they were in 2003.

Also, fair play to Pat O'Shea, he's struck me as being humble in victory and very magnanimous in defeat this season.

[Poison]

Not surprised by this result at all. If anyone was at the AI semi's..you could see how efficient Tyrone were...never took difficult chances, only shot fo r goal when it was on. We were unlucky against kerry in the replay...we got on top on the scoresheet, I saw several Kerry players on the ground with cramp etc... They were flat out...then darren O'Sullivan got the goal and we hadnt enough time to get back.

Today kerry missed that goal chance, rathe r the keeper made a good svae , but overall Sean kavanagh was immense and they would have beaten us too easily Id say today.

But to be honest Im glad Tyrone won, it was becoming annoying thinking how Dara OSe & Galvin would be holding the trophy aloft as though it was their birth rite. I dont think it was clever of them to say they had a score to settle with Tyrone and this was going to be it... they were fairly beaten the last times aswell.

How many points for Star today.... mouthy git... NIL Points...

Sean Cavanagh MoTM.;)


Good post there and spot on..

I was at the AI semi and i thought Tyrone looked very impressive.The only worry i had about them being as good was that they were playing an average Wexford team that day.I thought each Tyrone player were able to play with skill and be physical also when needed.They looked so fit and comfortable on the ball.I thought they made Kerry look like amateurs at times today.All the forward line can score unlike some countys that depend heavily on one or two players.

This year Kerry have been found out for a lot of the dirty play in their game.A fine side still no doubt but when they are not getting away with there sneaky play they are finding it hard.Also teams are standing up to them.

[megatron]

better team won kerry shouldnt have no complaints

[Lapsy Pa]

Delighted the animals were beaten today.

They got their 3 in a row though. Lost the League final, lost the munster final and lost the All Ireland final.

Donaghy and Walsh held scoreless and their last point was after 56 minutes.

Galvin again showed his true colours, came on gave away two frees and got booked. Tramp!

On the downside of it from a Cork perspective, if thats what it takes to win an AI then we're a fair distance off it.

Still though we can revel in their despair and finger pointing

[Lee Bushwacker]

:D
Well done Tyrone!
Great display all round.
Also you have shut a few gobshites up who say that Ulster Football is all
physical. A bit of toughness is needed to beat the "Keyri Knuts"
No Munster or A.I. title for the "kingdoom" this year. :lol::lol:

P.S. Won't get to see The Sunday Game tonight. For once I'd really
enjoy watching "Pathetic" Spillane.

[TOMÁS]

Haven't got time to write a long post on this as I'm snowed under. I have Tyrone to win by four.

Hopefully its a good game.

Tir Eoghain abu!
spot on
hope you had big bucks on it

[Langer Dan]

Dirtbags bate out the gate.

Huzzah!

[the puerto rican feen]

Spose Annie Hall will be on tomorrow - MOANING as usual....:rolleyes:


Fucking delighted Tyrone won - and pulled away in the last 5 mins.
Brian Dooher is some man, you could see he was tired but played cleverly.
Cavanagh has to be MOTM - awesome.
Gonna head into town later to help Tyrone celebrate in style.....

As for Galvin - he made fuck all difference

managed to pick up a yellow card in the short time he was on the field, oozes class.

[Lamps]

What did Kerry end up with yesterday? 6/7/8 yellows? 3 clothelines, one elbow, its like the wwf with this crowd.

I loved the way in the last 2 minutes Tyrone just blatantly pulled the Kerry lads down to kill the game, give em some of their own medicine. This was so sweet. I hope they enjoyed the long drive home.

No matter what happens now, this Kerry team will always has an asterisk next to its name with a Mickey Harte's name on it

[Rebelred]

mayo should have won the minor.

come on Tyrone, sock it to cunts!

Thank you Tyrone, Thank you!
They played the better football, had the better balanced team and didn't resort to the filth that Kerry were serving up (See Dirty Dara's sneaky elbow at half time, Galvins clothes line tackle). Cavanagh and Dooher were outstanding, Jordan and Harte at wing back kept driving forward and pinned Kerry back. Was a great game and thankfully the right result.

[Langer Dan]

Dara is a coward, plain and simple.
Delighted to see the cheat go out on a low.

Galvin is only a tramp, no business on the pitch.
He should be ran out of football like he was ran out of Cork.
The big girl's blouse.

[northmallexile]

No matter what happens now, this Kerry team will always has an asterisk next to its name with a Mickey Harte's name on it

Incidentally, Ger Canning is some eejit.

Early on, after Colm Cooper scored a point, he said something along the lines of "Gooch Cooper, who's broken Tyrone hearts so many times in the past."

Hah?! When exactly, Ger? When?

[Johnnyc]

Haven't got time to write a long post on this as I'm snowed under. I have Tyrone to win by four.

Hopefully its a good game.

Tir Eoghain abu!

Epic prediction from JohnnyC!

I was delighted to see them do it. They really picked themselves up well after their loss to Down where they looked a pale shadow of their former self.

They came through games in the qualifiers that were not as competitive as Kerry's and that was my one worry for them yesterday. But they really got stuck in from the word go and for much of the second half Kerry looked out on their feet. Tyrone were still at full pelt at the final whistle.

Tyrone have been a great team in the last 6 years or so and this is surely as sweet as the other victories.

[Naked Giant Attack]

Tyrone just blatantly pulled the Kerry lads down to kill the game, give em some of their own medicine.

Yeah, was thinking the exact same thing when Dooher practically rugby tackled Cillian Young (i think) in the last few minutes. Classic Kerry tactics.

[Langer Dan]

The lord smiled upon Croke Park yesterday.

And it was good....

[pudgee]

Incidentally, Ger Canning is some eejit.



Breaking news here la

[Langer Dan]

Breaking news here la

Personally I'm shocked.


Poor Ger, I'd say hes took it hard.:(

[northmallexile]

Breaking news here la

He's always been fond of the ould clichés, like, but this marked a point where using a stock phrase took precedence over any sort of historical reality.

Next year, I'm bringing a digital radio to the pub, so's I can listen to Michéal Ó Muircheartaigh.

[Langer Dan]

From the Kerry Examiner

'In terms of placing his defence to negate the threat from the Kerry attack, and specifically their full-forward trio, it could be said that Mickey Harte won the tactical battle. And while Conor Gormley fought a losing battle against Colm Cooper, the tenacity of his covering limited the Crokes man to a sizeable degree'.


Eh , no shit Einstein....

[Rebelred]

The lord smiled upon Croke Park yesterday.

And it was good....

it re-affirms my faith in Jesus that Tyrone prevailed

[northmallexile]

it re-affirms my faith in Jesus that Tyrone prevailed

They can barely contain their glee in South Ossetia:

http://www.irishnews.com/webimages/20080830/news1.jpg

[Lamps]

Oh happy days.........

:lol!:

[duffer31]

tyrone made this monday morning much easier to stomach unlike the countless apple sours last night in town..........

[Johnnyc]

Tyrone have restored my faith in humanity.

They got their own three in a row over Kerry yesterday :)

[Poison]

What a lovely lovely picture...:)

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/RedXKev/3214223.jpg

[Actin The Sham]

http://kerrygaa.proboards14 .com/index.cgi?board=gene ral&action=display&thread=1294&page=1


Heh heh heh...

[Lamps]

Once again.

http://www.thenervousbreakd own.com/photos/uncategorized/hallelujah.jpeg

[Rebelred]

http://kerrygaa.proboards14 .com/index.cgi?board=gene ral&action=display&thread=1294&page=1


Heh heh heh...
Burn!

[3pointplay]

Yeah, was thinking the exact same thing when Dooher practically rugby tackled Cillian Young (i think) in the last few minutes. Classic Kerry tactics.

I was praying that some Northern bearded monster would give "star" a nice broken leg or something to keep him off the Basketball courts for the next 6 months.

[bigboyfoolish]

what a day..

any day Les Animals are beaten is a good day..

[Langer Dan]

http://kerrygaa.proboards14 .com/index.cgi?board=gene ral&action=display&thread=1294&page=1


Heh heh heh...

Yes Tyrone were better to day but not over the 70 minutes. Tactically the Kerry line got it very wrong.

What was noticable for me was the Tyrone tactic of luring kerry players into confrontations after the whistle was blown for a foul. This resulted in 2 very soft yellow cards fiven to Kerry players at the end of the first half. Tyrone know how to win and are nasty about it too. They know what they can get away with and do things at times they feel they are out of the scrutiny of the ref and linesmen.
Anyway, Im sure we will see you all again next year at the end of September.
ahahahahahahahahahah ahaha. :mrgreen:

Poor Kerry.
That board is hilarious,'Dara O'Se is a credit to his family, yes sent off twice in the championship and should have been three yesterday.

Shower of tramps delighted they were beaten.

[Langer Dan]

i seriously cant wait for this one, this is GAA as good as it gets. We owe these a good beating and im totally confident of a win. Like the Kingdom said i cant wait to see Mcmenamin try what he did to a young Gooch on a young tough Tommy Walsh. If its in your face football Tyrone like to play well Kerry can do both in your face football and good complete football. Alot of people didnt like what O' Mahoney and Galvin did and gave out about them and their style but it will be these boys who will have us roaring from the stands when Tyrone try their puke football and Mahoney bursts his way out knocking 3 men on his way out. What a Pup !!! Dara will be back for maybe but hopefully not his last game and will lord it at midfield. "Dara is gone up for the ball he'll be down in a minute"
But really what i cant wait to see is the Tyrone boys trying to stop a fella who, has trained / played for this game all his life, who loves a game where the opposition like a physical game, a fella who knows he let his whole county down but knows what he has to do to fix it all up again and earn his medal and to lift ol Sam, a fella who has 3 or 4 championship games built up inside him that he cant wait to get out in 70 minutes,
i would'nt like to be the guy with the ball and see that guy coming at you when you have the ball he wants
Bring on Tyrone, revenge will be sweet, Ciarrai abu

My new favey site.

Delighted to see these ignorant,arrogant bogmen with a bit of manners out into em.
Cork only left these tramps behind em.
Roll on 09, Kerry are a busted flush.

[Langer Dan]

I cannot see anything other than an easy Kerry win. In fact this could be as easy a Kerry win as the last two finals. Too much emphasis has been put on Tyrone’s performance versus Dublin but Dublin that day reminded me of Kerry against Meath in 2001 when the whole team failed to perform and made another team look much better than they were. Against Wexford Tyrone looked reasonably good in the first half but when Wexford upped their game in the second half Tyrone looked ordinary enough.
This Tyrone team are nothing like the team of ’05 while Kerry are a better team now. With Canavan, Mulligan and O’Neill (I know Mulligan and O’Neill are subs but neither are regulars on the team anymore) gone and Brian McGuigan a shadow of the footballer he was then I do not see this Tyrone forward line stretching the Kerry backs as they did in ’05. McCullagh has been the most impressive Tyrone forward but I feel he will be easily handled by either Reidy or Marc O’ Sé. However it is in the midfield area that I feel Kerry will dominate – they have far more options. Even in the unlikely event that Dara O’Sé and Scanlon struggle they have Griffin, Donaghy and Quirke to bring in as reinforcements. Tyrone have nothing like the same options and like others Kevin Hughes seems to be past his best. Once Kerry dominate the middle third any defensive weaknesses will be irrelevant and their forwards will have enough ball to put scores on the board.
This year Tyrone failed to beat Down, really struggled in two mediocre games against Westmeath and Mayo. One surprising impressive performance against Dublin cannot mask the other mediocre displays. On the other hand Kerry have won very competitive high tempo games against Monaghan and Galway and the second day against Cork. The second half of the MF can be discounted as I thoght that day that Kerry fitnesss levels were poor - this will not be a problem now. Since ’05 Kerry have been competing at the very highest level while Tyrone have gone backwards. And since ’05 Kerry have strengthened the team with Donaghy, Young and Tommy Walsh brought in and also the emergence of Scanlon.

So no matter how I look at this I cannot make a case for Tyrone unless they produce a performance out of the ordinary that they have not produced since ’05. I see Kerry starting something like against Mayo in ’06 and getting a good early lead. Tyrone to spend their time chasing the game and finally discovering in the last 20 mins they are not good enough and Kerry then putting on an exhibition. Kerry to win by at least 7 or 8 and probably a lot more.

to be fair, this stuff is gold, the levels of arrogance are astounding.
We saw what happens yesterday when you discount the opposition....

[ho chi feen]

Nice digging, dan.

This one (http://www.lemonparty.org) made me laugh too.

[Langer Dan]

heh heh heh,

nice try but no cigar!:)
Right click is my friend....

[ho chi feen]

heh heh heh,

nice try but no cigar!:)
Right click is my friend....

Heh heh heh.

Worth a try anyway.

[Annie Hall]

Right, so my voice has just about returned after all of my bellowing yesterday - then again, what would you expect from a dirty tramp of a Kerry animal like myself? :rolleyes:
Gutted at the final whistle, but thems are the breaks. Although I seriously questioned our sideline yesterday, the better team won. There's no doubt about it but Mickey Harte is a genius.

Congrats to Tyrone - yesterday's display was tremendous in so many respects.

Tyrone may have Sam for the next year, ach Ciarraí abú.

[Poison]

Right, so my voice has just about returned after all of my bellowing yesterday - then again, what would you expect from a dirty tramp of a Kerry animal like myself? :rolleyes:
Gutted at the final whistle, but thems are the breaks. Although I seriously questioned our sideline yesterday, the better team won. There's no doubt about it but Mickey Harte is a genius.

Congrats to Tyrone - yesterday's display was tremendous in so many respects.

Tyrone may have Sam for the next year, ach Ciarraí abú.


It will be a few years before Kerry get hold of Sam again me thinks..:D

[3pointplay]

Right, so my voice has just about returned after all of my bellowing yesterday - then again, what would you expect from a dirty tramp of a Kerry animal like myself? :rolleyes:
Gutted at the final whistle, but thems are the breaks. Although I seriously questioned our sideline yesterday, the better team won. There's no doubt about it but Mickey Harte is a genius.

Congrats to Tyrone - yesterday's display was tremendous in so many respects.

Tyrone may have Sam for the next year, ach Ciarraí abú.

Are you choking as you write that choking on bile and vile.

[BlueSkies]

I cannot see anything other than an easy Kerry win. In fact this could be as easy a Kerry win as the last two finals. Too much emphasis has been put on Tyrone’s performance versus Dublin but Dublin that day reminded me of Kerry against Meath in 2001 when the whole team failed to perform and made another team look much better than they were. Against Wexford Tyrone looked reasonably good in the first half but when Wexford upped their game in the second half Tyrone looked ordinary enough.
This Tyrone team are nothing like the team of ’05 while Kerry are a better team now. With Canavan, Mulligan and O’Neill (I know Mulligan and O’Neill are subs but neither are regulars on the team anymore) gone and Brian McGuigan a shadow of the footballer he was then I do not see this Tyrone forward line stretching the Kerry backs as they did in ’05. McCullagh has been the most impressive Tyrone forward but I feel he will be easily handled by either Reidy or Marc O’ Sé. However it is in the midfield area that I feel Kerry will dominate – they have far more options. Even in the unlikely event that Dara O’Sé and Scanlon struggle they have Griffin, Donaghy and Quirke to bring in as reinforcements. Tyrone have nothing like the same options and like others Kevin Hughes seems to be past his best. Once Kerry dominate the middle third any defensive weaknesses will be irrelevant and their forwards will have enough ball to put scores on the board.
This year Tyrone failed to beat Down, really struggled in two mediocre games against Westmeath and Mayo. One surprising impressive performance against Dublin cannot mask the other mediocre displays. On the other hand Kerry have won very competitive high tempo games against Monaghan and Galway and the second day against Cork. The second half of the MF can be discounted as I thoght that day that Kerry fitnesss levels were poor - this will not be a problem now. Since ’05 Kerry have been competing at the very highest level while Tyrone have gone backwards. And since ’05 Kerry have strengthened the team with Donaghy, Young and Tommy Walsh brought in and also the emergence of Scanlon.

So no matter how I look at this I cannot make a case for Tyrone unless they produce a performance out of the ordinary that they have not produced since ’05. I see Kerry starting something like against Mayo in ’06 and getting a good early lead. Tyrone to spend their time chasing the game and finally discovering in the last 20 mins they are not good enough and Kerry then putting on an exhibition. Kerry to win by at least 7 or 8 and probably a lot more.

to be fair, this stuff is gold, the levels of arrogance are astounding.
We saw what happens yesterday when you discount the opposition....

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8894/kaneklapqo6.gif

[Annie Hall]

Are you choking as you write that choking on bile and vile.

Of course I am :D

[Annie Hall]

It will be a few years before Kerry get hold of Sam again me thinks..:D

All-Ireland Champions 2009 - Corcaigh
All-Ireland Champions 2010 - Gaillimh

[ho chi feen]

All-Ireland Champions 2009 - Corcaigh
All-Ireland Champions 2010 - Gaillimh

Ha!

I wish!

Paradoxically, this is the closest Cork have come in years to matching the best, yet we're still as far as off as ever. With the Ulster sides (apparently) dipping in recent years, our mark became Kerry. That might have been the obvious thing, but Kerry (as good as they've been) are flat-track bullies to an extent; imperious against the likes of Mayo, Galway, and us a lot of the time- not so good when faced by a team of total footballers like Tyrone. Tyrone would have blown us away had we made it through, let's make no mistake. It's been a great year for Cork football, but that's the depressing truth, IMO anyway.

PS- the only All Ireland Galway are in any danger of winning any time soon is an all Ireland shoot-off between Canning and Shefflin.

[bigboyfoolish]

The sideline was poor. Tommy Griffin should have started on Sean Cav.
He was so effective on Cussen and while Cavanagh is an exponentially better player he would have been better primed to take care of him than Tom O Sull.

Darren O'Sullivan should have come on sooner.
Sheehan should have been curly fingered at half time.
He hadn't the stomach for it.

Tommy Walsh should never have been taken off.
He wons some great ball and contrary to what a lot of people think
I would have started Galvin.
I think he would have grown in to it as the game developed.
Attritional players need time to affect a game.
When it was in the melting pot in the last five minutes I think he would have been ideal to throw himself into it.

10 minutes after having no football since June was always going to be a tough ask for any player.
And especially a game like yesterdays which was in the pot 1-11 to 14pts when he came on..

[bigboyfoolish]

It was a superb final BTW.

The best in my memory!

[bigboyfoolish]

All-Ireland Champions 2009 - Corcaigh
All-Ireland Champions 2010 - Gaillimh

Yeah ho chi on the ball..

we're miles off it..

after pulling Kerry back from being 9pts down early in the second half to
draw level and then to still lose it was one of the sickest days I've ever had as a Cork football fan. I genuinely thought we had em that day.

Tom Humphries summed it up best today for me.

Tyrone disrespect Kerry as much as we respect them.

We show them too much deference.

Tyrone couldn't give a shite about them..

I suppose they don't play them every year then too but..??

[ho chi feen]

Yeah ho chi on the ball..

we're miles off it..

after pulling Kerry back from being 9pts down early in the second half to
draw level and then to still lose it was one of the sickest days I've ever had as a Cork football fan. I genuinely thought we had em that day.

Tom Humphries summed it up best today for me.

Tyrone disrespect Kerry as much as we respect them.

We show them too much deference.

Tyrone couldn't give a shite about them..

I suppose they don't play them every year then too but..??

I suppose they don't play them every year then too but..??

True, we can't play the way they play though. There's a whole generation of players who've grown up under Mickey Harte, and subscribe to the great man's vision. We don't have that. In fact, we don't seem to have anything like that. Course, neither do Kerry and they've done okay- except when they've faced Tyrone.

I've watched a lot more football this year than any time in the last decade, and I can't get where the criticism of so-called 'puke football' comes from. From bad losers, maybe. Tyrone, to me, are a joy to watch. The way their half-backs break, their half-forwards defend, the way they can switch players to the opposite side of the field any given day- that's incredible. It's total football. It's the GAA equivalent of Ajax, or Dynamo Kiev. The fact they are all sturdy men, fair without being dirty, adds to it all. Fair play to them. I loved the Cork-Kerry and Kerry-Galway games this year. Thrilling anarchy, fluid and loose. But Tyrone are simply a joy to watch, a truly masterful side.

[bigboyfoolish]

Yep brilliant.

Tough as nails. They are a little dirty to be fair on the animals.

Justin McMahon should be paying rent to Kieran Donaghy at this stage he was hangin out of him so much.

But then again if you look at all of the teams that have won All Irelands over the last 20 years. Basically since the Meath of O'Rourke/Hayes/McANtee/Lyons..
They've all had an element of the shady about them. And that even includes our couple in 89 and 90. Colman Corrigan/Barry Coffey/Tony Davis/ Steven O'Brien and most emminetly Conor Counihan. These fellas knew what it took to win the big games.

BTW I'd swap Kieran O'Connor AND John Miskella for Conor Gormley.

I have never seen a fella so brilliantly and almost single handedly get under Kerry's skin. And what a defender. He was like Gandalf: 'You shall not pass'

[ho chi feen]

Yep brilliant.

Tough as nails. They are a little dirty to be fair on the animals.

Justin McMahon should be paying rent to Kieran Donaghy at this stage he was hangin out of him so much.

But then again if you look at all of the teams that have won All Irelands over the last 20 years. Basically since the Meath of O'Rourke/Hayes/McANtee/Lyons..
They've all had an element of the shady about them. And that even includes our couple in 89 and 90. Colman Corrigan/Barry Coffey/Tony Davis/ Steven O'Brien and most emminetly Conor Counihan. These fellas knew what it took to win the big games.

BTW I'd swap Kieran O'Connor AND John Miskella for Conor Gormley.

I have never seen a fella so brilliantly and almost single handedly get under Kerry's skin. And what a defender. He was like Gandalf: 'You shall not pass'

I'll bow to your judgement, lad. I'm just a soccer man with a taste for hurling, who has rediscovered his grá for football in a big way this year.

Think we need to look beyond Kerry now. We've gotten to the stage where we can beat them, and not be humiliated in Croker afterwards.

[bigboyfoolish]

That may be true.
But the facts of it are this.

Whether we like it or not we will end up playing them again next season.

And in all probability end up playing them twice.

Like we have done for the past 4 seasons.
So as much as you would like to you can never move away from there.

They will always be there. Always.
And the fact that they were beaten yesterday will make them
very dangerous next year.
Tyrone usually hibernate the year after they win one .

Funnily enough BTW I don't necessarily think we would have a whole pile to fear from Tyrone had we met them. I don't think we've ever met them in the Championship so there would have been a huge elemnt of the unknown for them had they to play us.

Not alone with that they obviously have Kerry sussed at this stage.
They have history with Kerry now. 86, 03, 05,08. Not so with us.

And on top of all that these Tyrone boys love a challenge.
Anyone who tells them they can't do something it's almost an affront to their manhood.

They would have most likely been favourites going in against us.

While carrying the tag of favourites sits ok with them, they didn't look great against WestMeath, Mayo, Wexford or Down.
They raise their game when they play the big boys.. Dublin and Kerry!

I don't think we would inspire the same level of performance out of them.

They have nothing against us really!

[RonnyB]

Well after my weeks hiatus I must say Tyrone's performance & victory warmed the heart no end.

1st of all Kerry were filth. Simple as that. They think that they can bully the Northern teams & it just blows up in their faces. Dirty Dara should have gone for his elbow on Canvanagh just on half time, it had twice the intent as Donncha's on the fall guys in the 1st semi final. Galvin again showed the thug he his.

Anyway enough about the animals & on to Tyrone. I've said it with 3 years that I believe they were the best side in the country & that having being robbed of their 4 best forwards since then (Peter the Great to father time, O'Neill, Mulligan & McGuigan to injury) hasn’t helped their cause. Imagine Kerry missing 4 of their best forwards since ’06?

Cavanagh was immense & seems to play the game with a passion for the good things without resorting to petty fouling. Dooher is just unreal for a guy of 33. I just hope he feels the need to go on for another season. We need to see more of his ilk in the game. Also after watching their minors I don’t think Tyrone will fade off the radar sometime soon.

[Rebelred]

i seriously cant wait for this one, this is GAA as good as it gets. We owe these a good beating and im totally confident of a win. Like the Kingdom said i cant wait to see Mcmenamin try what he did to a young Gooch on a young tough Tommy Walsh. If its in your face football Tyrone like to play well Kerry can do both in your face football and good complete football. Alot of people didnt like what O' Mahoney and Galvin did and gave out about them and their style but it will be these boys who will have us roaring from the stands when Tyrone try their puke football and Mahoney bursts his way out knocking 3 men on his way out. What a Pup !!! Dara will be back for maybe but hopefully not his last game and will lord it at midfield. "Dara is gone up for the ball he'll be down in a minute"
But really what i cant wait to see is the Tyrone boys trying to stop a fella who, has trained / played for this game all his life, who loves a game where the opposition like a physical game, a fella who knows he let his whole county down but knows what he has to do to fix it all up again and earn his medal and to lift ol Sam, a fella who has 3 or 4 championship games built up inside him that he cant wait to get out in 70 minutes,
i would'nt like to be the guy with the ball and see that guy coming at you when you have the ball he wants
Bring on Tyrone, revenge will be sweet, Ciarrai abu

My new favey site.

Delighted to see these ignorant,arrogant bogmen with a bit of manners out into em.
Cork only left these tramps behind em.
Roll on 09, Kerry are a busted flush.

Priceless stuff Dan. I'm honestly getting ready for the trip to Killarney next year already, no doubt Conor and the lads are too!

[Lamps]

Ha!

I wish!

Paradoxically, this is the closest Cork have come in years to matching the best, yet we're still as far as off as ever. With the Ulster sides (apparently) dipping in recent years, our mark became Kerry. That might have been the obvious thing, but Kerry (as good as they've been) are flat-track bullies to an extent; imperious against the likes of Mayo, Galway, and us a lot of the time- not so good when faced by a team of total footballers like Tyrone. Tyrone would have blown us away had we made it through, let's make no mistake. It's been a great year for Cork football, but that's the depressing truth, IMO anyway.

PS- the only All Ireland Galway are in any danger of winning any time soon is an all Ireland shoot-off between Canning and Shefflin.
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I wouldn't be so sure that they'd blow us away. They'd be favourites, but I'd fancy our chances against Tyrone over Kerry any day of the week, and I'd still say that. Lets not forget here that the likes of Mayo and Meath have beaten them in knockout in recent years, these teams wouldn't get within 10 points of Kerry.

[Lamps]

True, we can't play the way they play though. There's a whole generation of players who've grown up under Mickey Harte, and subscribe to the great man's vision. We don't have that. In fact, we don't seem to have anything like that. Course, neither do Kerry and they've done okay- except when they've faced Tyrone.

I've watched a lot more football this year than any time in the last decade, and I can't get where the criticism of so-called 'puke football' comes from. From bad losers, maybe. Tyrone, to me, are a joy to watch. The way their half-backs break, their half-forwards defend, the way they can switch players to the opposite side of the field any given day- that's incredible. It's total football. It's the GAA equivalent of Ajax, or Dynamo Kiev. The fact they are all sturdy men, fair without being dirty, adds to it all. Fair play to them. I loved the Cork-Kerry and Kerry-Galway games this year. Thrilling anarchy, fluid and loose. But Tyrone are simply a joy to watch, a truly masterful side.
Nice description.

Puke football is a term invented by Pat Spillane to mask Kerrys former failings. The greatest game of football I've ever seen was between "puke football" exponents Tyrone-Armagh in 05.

It blows every game i've ever seen out of the water, especially some of the muck from the Kerry-Dublin "golden age".

[BlackAvon08]

All-Ireland Champions 2009 - Corcaigh
All-Ireland Champions 2010 - Gaillimh

Yes I think we have a great chance of winning the All Ireland next year.

Tyrone are the top team in the country this year but I don’t believe they would have blown us away if we got to the All Ireland. I think our lads would have relished the opportunity to have a cut off one of the Big Guns other than Kerry. Tyrone would have been favourites which would have taken some of their edge off – everybody tipped Kerry which was an ideal scenario for a team as good as Tyrone.

IMO Tyrone’s primary strength (and they have many) is their mental power. They fully believe in their own ability, they show Kerry (and other “Top” teams) a healthy disrespect and play passionately as a team unit. They have built their football “tradition” within a period 10 years and fully believe in Tyrone football. This is a tribute to Mickey Harte.

I don’t see any reason why Cork can’t emulate this. We have the players and resources but we need to fully believe in ourselves and add some hardness & ruthlessness to our setup. Conor had this as a player so hopefully he can pass some of it on to the players.

[RonnyB]

Nice description.

Puke football is a term invented by Pat Spillane to mask Kerrys former failings. The greatest game of football I've ever seen was between "puke football" exponents Tyrone-Armagh in 05.

It blows every game i've ever seen out of the water, especially some of the muck from the Kerry-Dublin "golden age".

Everyone was raving about the Kerry-Galway game this year but that game was wonderful. That was the most intense game I've ever seen.

[BlackAvon08]

Right, so my voice has just about returned after all of my bellowing yesterday - then again, what would you expect from a dirty tramp of a Kerry animal like myself? :rolleyes:
Gutted at the final whistle, but thems are the breaks. Although I seriously questioned our sideline yesterday, the better team won. There's no doubt about it but Mickey Harte is a genius.

Congrats to Tyrone - yesterday's display was tremendous in so many respects.

Tyrone may have Sam for the next year, ach Ciarraí abú.

Yes it’s easy to question the sideline when the result goes against you (I certainly did this year with Masters & Shields!) but I’m not sure Pat O’Shea could have did much more on the day. It was one of the best All Ireland finals in years & Kerry played their part. IMO Tyrone showed their class when they stamped their control on the game over the closing 10 minutes. The 5 unanswered points at the end of the game summed it up for me – Kerry tried hard but Tyrone were not going to be denied.

[POL]

Nice description.

Puke football is a term invented by Pat Spillane to mask Kerrys former failings. The greatest game of football I've ever seen was between "puke football" exponents Tyrone-Armagh in 05.

It blows every game i've ever seen out of the water, especially some of the muck from the Kerry-Dublin "golden age".I agree, was lucky to be at it, most intense game of football I ever saw

[Lee Bushwacker]

I don’t see any reason why Cork can’t emulate this. We have the players and resources but we need to fully believe in ourselves and add some hardness & ruthlessness to our setup. Conor had this as a player so hopefully he can pass some of it on to the players.

:cool:
Spot on Black Avon!
Every team who has been top dog over a period of time had this steel in
them.
Cork hurlers 1976, 77 and 78 were very skillful players who wouldn't be pushed around by anyone.
Kerry's 4 in a row side, 1978-1981 was a wonderful team who could be "hard" if it was put up to them, by Dublin in particular. No forward looked forward to 70 minutes in the company of Paudí O Sé who was as tough as a mountain goat but generally clean, unlike his namesake in Kerry's recent midfield.
Cork, having been previously pushed around by Meath, really got their act together and "toughened up" for the 1990 A.I. Final.
Kilkenny for the last 3 years are another example.
Manchester United 1996 - 2001 played great passing and attacking football but could "mix it" any time the opposition wanted to.
Liverpool in the 80s were exactly the same both domestically and in Europe.
Munster's Heineken Cup victories haven't been achieved by playing "pretty boy" rugby.
Champions over a period of time have always had and probably always have to listen to critics and begrudgers. Seems to be the nature of competitive sport, especially these days. :|

[Rebelred]

Everyone was raving about the Kerry-Galway game this year but that game was wonderful. That was the most intense game I've ever seen.

05 final was a cracker aswell. High scoring game

[Lamps]

Bushwhacker, who was the better player, Paud or Tomás O Sé?

[Lamps]

Think we need to look beyond Kerry now. We've gotten to the stage where we can beat them, and not be humiliated in Croker afterwards.

I used to think that in the late 80's and early 90's, but they live and breathe football from a young age and we cannot compete with that. They will always be there.

[stevetharlear]

nice digging, dan.

This one (http://www.lemonparty.org) made me laugh too.

bastard

[Annie Hall]

Yes it’s easy to question the sideline when the result goes against you (I certainly did this year with Masters & Shields!) but I’m not sure Pat O’Shea could have did much more on the day. It was one of the best All Ireland finals in years & Kerry played their part. IMO Tyrone showed their class when they stamped their control on the game over the closing 10 minutes. The 5 unanswered points at the end of the game summed it up for me – Kerry tried hard but Tyrone were not going to be denied.

Totally disagree with you. After 20 mins, it was quite evident that Sheehan and Brosnan weren't at the races. Pat should have had the balls to bring at least Darren O'Sullivan on at this stage - look at the difference the same guy made when he eventually came on. Brosnan should never have started IMO - he's proven he's a better impact sub. Donnacha Walsh should have been on the wing from the throw-in. He's proven he can score goals when they matter. Tom O'Sullivan didn't have the agility to deal with successive Tyrone tsunamis. And we had no plan B. Just keep hoofing the high ball into the full-forward line. Jayzus...

But look, it doesn't matter. Tyrone are deserving champions. Looks like Pat O'Shea will call it a day with Kerry. As will Darragh, the three Toms, Diarmuid Murphy, Mike Frank and possibly Eoin Brosnan. That's a large chunk gone and we'll have to do with 'rebuilding' over the next 3/4 years. I think we'll see both David Moran and Tommy Walsh go to midfield with Tommy W's younger brother Barry John probably slotting into the forwards. Rónán Ó Flatharta should slot into the vacancy left by Tomás Ó Sé and Daniel Bohane should feel at home at full-back.

I can't believe some of you don't reckon Cork have a tremendous chance next year. I, for one, will be lobbing down E100 @ 12/1. As has been said before, I can't see Tyrone matching the intensity they showed last Sunday if they come up against Cork. There's just no history or hype between the teams.

[3pointplay]

Anyone see "star" and the feen Wright pictured in one off the papers heads in hands on the welcome home bus for Kerry?

It put a smile on my face.

[Rebelred]

I can't believe some of you don't reckon Cork have a tremendous chance next year. I, for one, will be lobbing down E100 @ 12/1. As has been said before, I can't see Tyrone matching the intensity they showed last Sunday if they come up against Cork. There's just no history or hype between the teams.
I do Annie, I've regained my pre 07 optimism about our chances again. A few minor tweaks, a good winter and spring, and we'll see ye in Killarney next July to resume battle!

[mushypea]

who got man of the match??

[Rebelred]

who got man of the match??

Sean Cavanagh, easy decision given his point scoring in the second half.
Dare I say it but he is the complete footballer, anybody else agree?

[bigboyfoolish]

Rónán Ó Flatharta should slot into the vacancy left by Tomás Ó Sé and Daniel Bohane should feel at home at full-back.



I wouldn't be so sure about Tomás O Se. The man is only 30.
Lots to offer still. He'll miss the big brother but that shouldn't mean he
should retire himself.

He's still a fine footballer.

And while I agree that we would have a right good cut off Tyrone
{and if truth be told I genuinell feel we would be capable of beating them}
I think we'll struggle next year.

The defeat in the semi was an absolute sickener.
It'll be tough to pick things up from that.

Throw in the disruption that will inevitably be caused by Nemo's march to another All Ireland Club Final and the subsequent weariness that will bring and I don't know..

We would have to improve an awful lot. Toughen up big time!

[mushypea]

missed the sunday game-he truly deserved it.
went out on sunday night - alot more Kerry people around than Tyrone. Even came across Kerry men wearing Tyrone jerseys-apparently it increased their pulling power !!!

Dont think O Shea could have done any better on the sideline, he's a a shrewd operator.

Mickey Hart is just a smooth operator...

anyone see the picture of Donaghy and Walsh on the open top bus ?

[bigboyfoolish]

Sean Cavanagh, easy decision given his point scoring in the second half.
Dare I say it but he is the complete footballer, anybody else agree?


100%. He can do everything. Field, carry, score off either foot, big game temperament.. Footballer of the Year. No question IMO

[Johnnyc]

Sean Cavanagh, easy decision given his point scoring in the second half.
Dare I say it but he is the complete footballer, anybody else agree?

I had my doubts about him on the edge of the square earlier in the year but he was immense throughout the championship.

Has to be footballer of the year, he has it all as you say.

[Lamps]

Sean Cavanagh, easy decision given his point scoring in the second half.
Dare I say it but he is the complete footballer, anybody else agree?

Best player in the country at the moment, and this is the first time since gooch came on the scene that I've said that about anyone else.

He has it all

[EL TORO]

Who was commentating with Micheal on Sunday afternoon. The guy sounded like a complete gimp. Everytime he opened his mouth he sounded like that teenage fella from the Simpsons that works in the fast food restaurant.

[Johnnyc]

Who was commentating with Micheal on Sunday afternoon. The guy sounded like a complete gimp. Everytime he opened his mouth he sounded like that teenage fella from the Simpsons that works in the fast food restaurant.

Do you mean with Ger?

Martin Carney.

[EL TORO]

Do you mean with Ger?

Martin Carney.

Nah fella, on the radio with Michael o muircheartaigh. The guy was a complete tool.

[Langer Dan]

Cork would much preferred to meet Tyrone or Wexford in the semi's, this side just seems incapable of getting the Kerry monkey off their backs. Its not helped when we have to play them twice every year but thats not going to change so we have to adapt.

Counihan made a balls of it this year. Anyone who doesnt acknowledge James Masters as Cork's most effective scoring forward hasn't been to too many games of football involving Cork over the last few years.

Had we started our best side in the replay , then we'd have bate em this year, but it wasn't to be.

I'd be hopeful for next year but for christ sake, they need to have their first 15 sorted by the end of the league and this 15 needs to include Shields and Masters.

Congrats to Tyrone, worthy champions.
Zero sympathy for Kerry, filthy team who got exactly what they deserved.

[Youghal Exile]

Nah fella, on the radio with Michael o muircheartaigh. The guy was a complete tool.

Are you talking about Luke Dempsey?

[RonnyB]

Cork would much preferred to meet Tyrone or Wexford in the semi's, this side just seems incapable of getting the Kerry monkey off their backs. Its not helped when we have to play them twice every year but thats not going to change so we have to adapt.

Counihan made a balls of it this year. Anyone who doesnt acknowledge James Masters as Cork's most effective scoring forward hasn't been to too many games of football involving Cork over the last few years.

Had we started our best side in the replay , then we'd have bate em this year, but it wasn't to be.

I'd be hopeful for next year but for christ sake, they need to have their first 15 sorted by the end of the league and this 15 needs to include Shields and Masters.

Congrats to Tyrone, worthy champions.
Zero sympathy for Kerry, filthy team who got exactly what they deserved.

He isn't. For me its Donncha O'Connor. Also Goulding has the potential to be better than him. Masters wouldnt have created a goal like his in the replay against Kerry.

[Youghal Exile]

Cork would much preferred to meet Tyrone or Wexford in the semi's, this side just seems incapable of getting the Kerry monkey off their backs. Its not helped when we have to play them twice every year but thats not going to change so we have to adapt.

Counihan made a balls of it this year. Anyone who doesnt acknowledge James Masters as Cork's most effective scoring forward hasn't been to too many games of football involving Cork over the last few years.

Had we started our best side in the replay , then we'd have bate em this year, but it wasn't to be.

I'd be hopeful for next year but for christ sake, they need to have their first 15 sorted by the end of the league and this 15 needs to include Shields and Masters.

Congrats to Tyrone, worthy champions.
Zero sympathy for Kerry, filthy team who got exactly what they deserved.

Fair play id agree with all that i also think they should play young paul kerrigan next year.I really think we are getting closer to winning sam.

[Youghal Exile]

He isn't. For me its Donncha O'Connor. Also Goulding has the potential to be better than him. Masters wouldnt have created a goal like his in the replay against Kerry.

Masters is a better freetaker than donncha.

[Rebelred]

He isn't. For me its Donncha O'Connor. Also Goulding has the potential to be better than him. Masters wouldnt have created a goal like his in the replay against Kerry.

Masters is a better freetaker than donncha.

Bryan Sheehan is a better free taker than most, but he should have been pulled after 20 minutes on Sunday. O'Connor is our hardest working forward, Masters our most gifted in my book. There's no reason we can't have the two on the same team, worked a treat on a number of occassions this year.

For next year, Goold to get a proper chance to establish himself in the side, Kerrigan in, Andrew O'Sullivan from Castletownbere, Paddy Kelly from Ballincollig and a few more new faces to get a run.
Also, Paddy O'Shea to claim the number 1 jersey

[Lamps]

He isn't. For me its Donncha O'Connor. Also Goulding has the potential to be better than him. Masters wouldnt have created a goal like his in the replay against Kerry.

I'd disagree, on form Masters is still the best of that threesome. He can get scores the others simply can't get. Saying that I think Counihan wrecked his confidence this year and he wasn't the same player. Been hearing good things about Barry O Driscoll of Nemo.

He's been doing very well for them this year, will be interesting to see how goes in the county final. As Fitzy says, most important thing is to settle the team during the league and hit the ground running in May.

[Youghal Exile]

I'd disagree, on form Masters is still the best of that threesome. He can get scores the others simply can't get. Saying that I think Counihan wrecked his confidence this year and he wasn't the same player. Been hearing good things about Barry O Driscoll of Nemo.

He's been doing very well for them this year, will be interesting to see how goes in the county final. As Fitzy says, most important thing is to settle the team during the league and hit the ground running in May.


Paul Kerrigan is a fine prospect too.

[Lamps]

Paul Kerrigan is a fine prospect too.

Shooting a little wayward, but if he gets a few years intercounty training and toughens up for the likes of Davey Harte, Tomas O Sé and Aaron Kernan, he could be a good half forward option. Great pace

[Some user]

I'd feel good about our chances next year. Kerry will either come out and skin everybody or be weak and disjointed. Would be great to get into a final. As Billy Morgan used to say there's definitely an All Ireland in this team.

[Rebelred]

I'd disagree, on form Masters is still the best of that threesome. He can get scores the others simply can't get. Saying that I think Counihan wrecked his confidence this year and he wasn't the same player. Been hearing good things about Barry O Driscoll of Nemo.

He's been doing very well for them this year, will be interesting to see how goes in the county final. As Fitzy says, most important thing is to settle the team during the league and hit the ground running in May.

O'Driscoll is a fine prospect, next year might be a bit soon for him but he's definitely one for the future. Ciaran Sheehan of Eire Og aswell but he's off to Oz after the leaving apparently.

[Johnnyc]

Ciaran Sheehan of Eire Og aswell but he's off to Oz after the leaving apparently.

Heard through the grapevine he is after changing his mind and doesn't want to head over just yet, not sure if that is a fact though.

[bigboyfoolish]

Heard through the grapevine he is after changing his mind and doesn't want to head over just yet, not sure if that is a fact though.

even if he was to hang around I think he's more into the hurling..

and should he go I wouldn't be too concerned. More fail than succeed.

Although apparently Martin Clarke from Down has taken to it like a duck to water.

They must be right sick over him. He was good enough to play senior as a minor.. Unreal player..

[bigboyfoolish]

Bryan Sheehan is a better free taker than most, but he should have been pulled after 20 minutes on Sunday. O'Connor is our hardest working forward, Masters our most gifted in my book. There's no reason we can't have the two on the same team, worked a treat on a number of occassions this year.

For next year, Goold to get a proper chance to establish himself in the side, Kerrigan in, Andrew O'Sullivan from Castletownbere, Paddy Kelly from Ballincollig and a few more new faces to get a run.
Also, Paddy O'Shea to claim the number 1 jersey

I wouldn't disagree with a whole pile there
except to add that I feel very strongly about getting a bit more devil into our game.

We're still too nice. We still try and play it way too straight.

I would nearly go so far as to say we should get some Northern Refs down to referee the local championships and allow more to go on.
I watched the final back again this morning and it's amazing what was let go really. Half that stuff would be pulled up in Cork and when we go to play the big guns we're not tough enough..

[Langer Dan]

I'd disagree, on form Masters is still the best of that threesome. He can get scores the others simply can't get. Saying that I think Counihan wrecked his confidence this year and he wasn't the same player. Been hearing good things about Barry O Driscoll of Nemo.

He's been doing very well for them this year, will be interesting to see how goes in the county final. As Fitzy says, most important thing is to settle the team during the league and hit the ground running in May.

Completely agree.

O'Connor is a fine player but not in the same league as Masters.
People are writing off James, but how anyone who watched the drawn semi against Kerry could surmise that Goulding is a better option is beyond me.

Simply put Masters gets vital scores from play and from freetaking that the others don't. Thats the bottom line.
I don't buy into his fitness not being right this year, Counihan didn't fancy him and that moreso than anything else cost us a berth in the final this year.
O'Connor's missed frees cost Cork dearly this year.
Counihan dropping Masters is akin to Tompkins dropping Corkery. The manager's job is to put out his best 15 and if he can't do that the he isn't fit to be managing the side.

Twould be like Kerry dropping Cooper for their biggest match of the season.
I mean ffs just look at the difference he made when he came on against Limerick, he was by far and away the outstanding player on the pitch.
I'm by no means a Nemo man but ffs, Masters should be playing, simple as.


I for one would like to know what the hell the selectors were playing at this year?

[bigboyfoolish]

If it gets down to the nitty gritty and you have to go into the trenches to fight hand to hand which is the kind of game Tyrone will try and embroil you in would you want James Masters or Daniel Goulding in that situation?

In other words who has the greater stomach for fight?

[Langer Dan]

If it gets down to the nitty gritty and you have to go into the trenches to fight hand to hand which is the kind of game Tyrone will try and embroil you in would you want James Masters or Daniel Goulding in that situation?

In other words who has the greater stomach for fight?

When it came down to the trenches this year against the Animals who delivered?

[Annie Hall]

When it came down to the trenches this year against the Animals who delivered?

Eh...the Animals did?

[Langer Dan]

Eh...the Animals did?

Hush , it isn't feeding time yet.

[corkuberalles]

Eh...the Animals did?

Cracker in fairness.

[Annie Hall]

Hush , it isn't feeding time yet.

Where are my calf nuts, farmer Dan?

[Lee Bushwacker]

Bushwhacker, who was the better player, Paud or Tomás O Sé?

Just an opinion but Paudí for me!
Btw where did you get the extra "h" from? :rolleyes:

[Annie Hall]

Just an opinion but Paudí for me!
Btw where did you get the extra "h" from? :rolleyes:

And where did you get the 'u' from in 'Páidí'? Sorry, couldn't resist :D

I dunno about comparing players from the modern game to players of old anymore. It's a different kettle of fish today, like...

[bigboyfoolish]

When it came down to the trenches this year against the Animals who delivered?

It's hard to say really to tie in with AH's point. we lost the match so no one really delivered in the way that we had hoped.

I'm only asking the question here because I'm not really sure myself..

The one thing I do know for certain is that like hurling , the days of just going out and playing off instinct are over.

Harte has proved that for everyone. McMahon back in the full back line to mark the young fella with his big scary beard. Masterstroke..

[BlueSkies]

I'd disagree, on form Masters is still the best of that threesome. He can get scores the others simply can't get. Saying that I think Counihan wrecked his confidence this year and he wasn't the same player. Been hearing good things about Barry O Driscoll of Nemo.

He's been doing very well for them this year, will be interesting to see how goes in the county final. As Fitzy says, most important thing is to settle the team during the league and hit the ground running in May.

Personally I'd rate Goulding above Masters, but it's difficult to compare them as they're very different players. We need Goulding for the goal threat that he carries, and we need Masters' deadeye shooting. I'd have them both in the full forward line, with O'Connor at half forward.
Masters will unquestionably be in the starting 15 next year bar injury, and I find it hard to believe that he was fully fit to play 70 minutes against Kerry in the semi final. Anybody shed any light on this?

[BlackAvon08]

There is plenty of room for both Masters & Goulding on our team – granted we have some emerging talent but we’re not good enough to leave either of these guys on the bench!

For me Masters is our top forward at the moment. Goulding has great potential which he needs to deliver on. I think he has to up his work rate considerably. He doesn’t play the spaces very well, he doesn’t make himself easily available for possession & his running off the ball is predictable. At this years semi replay I lost count of the number of times I saw him “jogging” into the square waving his hand in the air with 2 or 3 Kerry defenders between him & the man on the ball. God only knows how the ball was supposed to get to him! A quick dart into space in the opposite direction would have seen him un-marked within 30 yards of goal. ie. A genuine scoring opportunity! He should watch a video of Masters or the Gooch and watch all the intelligent, unselfish, off the ball running they do!! Masters is our main man who finds space, runs at angles & generally creates scoring opportunities

[Annie Hall]

There is plenty of room for both Masters & Goulding on our team – granted we have some emerging talent but we’re not good enough to leave either of these guys on the bench!

For me Masters is our top forward at the moment. Goulding has great potential which he needs to deliver on. I think he has to up his work rate considerably. He doesn’t play the spaces very well, he doesn’t make himself easily available for possession & his running off the ball is predictable. At this years semi replay I lost count of the number of times I saw him “jogging” into the square waving his hand in the air with 2 or 3 Kerry defenders between him & the man on the ball. God only knows how the ball was supposed to get to him! A quick dart into space in the opposite direction would have seen him un-marked within 30 yards of goal. ie. A genuine scoring opportunity! He should watch a video of Masters or the Gooch and watch all the intelligent, unselfish, off the ball running they do!! Masters is our main man who finds space, runs at angles & generally creates scoring opportunities

Whatever the politics between Counihan and Masters, this just has to be settled before the championship next year. Simple as.

[RonnyB]

Lads I understand why ye rate Masters but I feel he's too inconsistant (which is like many other of ours forwards too I guess). He's always produced in the Munster Championship but when we get to Croke Park he's not the same player I feel. Given that he's 4 years younger, I reckon Goulding will become a more important player for Cork.

And I still think that Donncha is a more reliable forward too. Granted he's a poor free taker but its a major weakness in Cork at the moment is the lack of class free-takers when back in the '90's we had Tompkins, Corkery & Cleary to chose from.

[Langer Dan]

Lads I understand why ye rate Masters but I feel he's too inconsistant (which is like many other of ours forwards too I guess). He's always produced in the Munster Championship but when we get to Croke Park he's not the same player I feel. Given that he's 4 years younger, I reckon Goulding will become a more important player for Cork.

And I still think that Donncha is a more reliable forward too. Granted he's a poor free taker but its a major weakness in Cork at the moment is the lack of class free-takers when back in the '90's we had Tompkins, Corkery & Cleary to chose from.

Rubbish, top scorer in the championship last year.
And thats missing the semi and not being fit for the final.

How anyone watching the drawn semi could rate Goulding ahead of him is bewildering......

[Langer Dan]

There is plenty of room for both Masters & Goulding on our team – granted we have some emerging talent but we’re not good enough to leave either of these guys on the bench!

For me Masters is our top forward at the moment. Goulding has great potential which he needs to deliver on. I think he has to up his work rate considerably. He doesn’t play the spaces very well, he doesn’t make himself easily available for possession & his running off the ball is predictable. At this years semi replay I lost count of the number of times I saw him “jogging” into the square waving his hand in the air with 2 or 3 Kerry defenders between him & the man on the ball. God only knows how the ball was supposed to get to him! A quick dart into space in the opposite direction would have seen him un-marked within 30 yards of goal. ie. A genuine scoring opportunity! He should watch a video of Masters or the Gooch and watch all the intelligent, unselfish, off the ball running they do!! Masters is our main man who finds space, runs at angles & generally creates scoring opportunities


Spot on post

[BlueSkies]

Rubbish, top scorer in the championship last year.
And thats missing the semi and not being fit for the final.

How anyone watching the drawn semi could rate Goulding ahead of him is bewildering......

Because it's pointless judging a player on one match. I don't see why this is turning into a Goulding vs Masters argument though. When Masters comes back into the team there's absolutely no way that it will be at Goulding's expense.