The Fergie Is Fucked Thread - Carlos Queiroz, PHONE HOME

[ebenezer]

Looks like Alex is finished.

Carlos Queiroz was running the show at Old Trafford for the last few years.

Now, let's face facts, you're no mug if you replace Big Phil for a very good national side.

Speaking of Scolari, defeat for Fergie in London on Sunday could be the beginning of the end.

Carlos Queiroz, picks the team and tactics, IMO. :-?

When will ye believe me that Carlos Queiroz is the Manchest United manager :?:

All Fergie does nowadays is team talks.

Well, really, Ferguson still only has 1 european cup, seeing as Carlos Queiroz was in charge this time.

How many more times do i have to tell you suckers that Carlos Queiroz is in charge :?:

Queiroz is the gaffa.

I keep tellin' ye.


Same could not be said at Old Trafford nowadays.

Who is in charge, Ferguson or Queiroz :?:

Fergie is fucked now.

Carlos Queiroz = pastures new.

[Mr.Mister]

Fergie should have went a few years ago,when he originally planned.

[KD Langer]

Fergie should have went a few years ago,when he originally planned.

yeah your right brian, what has fergie done since?

well, he's won three legue titles


yeah alright but besides the three titles, what has fergie done since 2002?

won the fa cup.



ok ok brian but besides the 3 titles and an FA cup what has he done since 2002?

the european cup.


ok, ok. beisdes three league titles, an FA cup and a european cup what has fergie done since 2002?

the league cup.


ok, ok. but besides 3 leagues, an FA cup ,a league cup and a european cup, WHAT HAS FERGIE DONE SINCE 2002?

eh, not much. fergie out!!!!

[mightyquark]

[QUOTE=ebenezer;22383 85]

Now, let's face facts, you're no mug if you replace Big Phil for a very good national side.

QUOTE]


Queiroz will be gutted then losing 2-3 at home to a below average Denmark side.
In fairness he made a few basic managerial errors in the 2nd half.

[BlueSkies]

In fairness, any team would miss the presence of hover-boy, the gravity-defying forward.

[scottyspud1]

it will take a lot more than a few poor results before he goes.
they have a great squad,they just need time for them to gel after the summer

[Rebel Yell]

I remember a similar thread about Fergie's demise around this time last year...

Personally, i will not worry unless we are more than 6 points behind Chelsea at Xmas time...

[MonTheHoops]

I really don't see how drawing 0-0 to the team who finished second in La Liga last season is a bad thing. Maybe some of ye are guilty of too much Sky Sports. Villarreal are a very good side and the winner of the group is between them and United.

Now if United lose to this Celtic team, he should go crawling on hands and knees to the board and beg to be allowed the dignity of resigning.

[Lamps]

He shoulda went when he sold beckham.

[Centurion]

I really don't see how drawing 0-0 to the team who finished second in La Liga last season is a bad thing. Maybe some of ye are guilty of too much Sky Sports. Villarreal are a very good side and the winner of the group is between them and United.

Now if United lose to this Celtic team, he should go crawling on hands and knees to the board and beg to be allowed the dignity of resigning.

A bit more clarity there thanks Mon. Eb all this gloating doesn't make you look so good. Buying into other people opinions doesn't either. There was some decent enough football played in the 2nd half. United are only starting the season, fair enough they are a bit slow about it, but there's a long way til May!

[raZor]

I really don't see how drawing 0-0 to the team who finished second in La Liga last season is a bad thing. Maybe some of ye are guilty of too much Sky Sports. Villarreal are a very good side and the winner of the group is between them and United.

Now if United lose to this Celtic team, he should go crawling on hands and knees to the board and beg to be allowed the dignity of resigning.

Ya agreed, Sky Sports News ran an "Introduction to Villareal" all day yesterday which basically made them look like chumps. A draw is not the worst thing in the world, United need to rely on the other team to take something from Villareal and take all points themselves.

[Rebel Yell]

Sky Sports analysis is always a joke...in almost anything - for the rugby, soccer, rugby league or anything else I'd be interested in watching on it, I watch the game and don't bother with the analysis, build up, warm down etc...

Which is why i prefer RTE all the more these days...Analysis can be dodgy/biased at times but at least it's entertaining and to the point with none of the razzmatazz rubbish Sky produce...RTE's drama, comedy and much of the other docu stuff can be hit and miss, but RTE get their sports programming bang on ...

[Actin The Sham]

looks like alex is finished.

Carlos queiroz was running the show at old trafford for the last few years.

Now, let's face facts, you're no mug if you replace big phil for a very good national side.

Speaking of scolari, defeat for fergie in london on sunday could be the beginning of the end.


facking cam back you cant!!

[Teknique]

This is payback for the "Philby" thread

[Eoin]

According to Richard Keys, Alessandro Del Piero has "obviously been watching" Cristiano Ronaldo to produce a fantastic free-kick during Juve's win over Zenit St Petersburg on Wednesday night.

Fucking jokers.

[Philby]

CRonaldo was his childhood hero I hear..

[STEVIEG]

According to Richard Keys, Alessandro Del Piero has "obviously been watching" Cristiano Ronaldo to produce a fantastic free-kick during Juve's win over Zenit St Petersburg on Wednesday night.

Fucking jokers.

Heh heh heh

According to Sky, the Champions league began only a few years ago


As for Carlos, all wums aside, he will be badly missed

There wasn't many bigging up his managerial skills after Portugals embarassing home defeat last week

[Up For The Ba]

He shoulda went when he sold beckham.

Naff has started texting in his replies now, classic example of duplication. Maybe Fergie should manage Naffs daily activities instead cos he clearly doesnt know what he`s doing at Old Trafford anymore. Fergie out.

[Up For The Ba]

I really don't see how drawing 0-0 to the team who finished second in La Liga last season is a bad thing. Maybe some of ye are guilty of too much Sky Sports. Villarreal are a very good side and the winner of the group is between them and United.



I was flinching listening to something Ronny Whelan said the other night but I nearly fell off my chair last night when Martin Tyler said that Villareal finishing second in La Liga was the equivalent of Wigan doing it in the premiership.... he asked Andy "I have an opinion for everything" Gray for a bit of back up and low and behold, pat on the back for you Martin.

Are they for fucking real??????

[bigboyfoolish]

Sky Sports analysis is always a joke...in almost anything - for the rugby, soccer, rugby league or anything else I'd be interested in watching on it, I watch the game and don't bother with the analysis, build up, warm down etc...

Which is why i prefer RTE all the more these days...Analysis can be dodgy/biased at times but at least it's entertaining and to the point with none of the razzmatazz rubbish Sky produce...RTE's drama, comedy and much of the other docu stuff can be hit and miss, but RTE get their sports programming bang on ...

RTE are lucky in a sense though..

They don't have to deal with Utd and Liverpool on a weekly
basis for interviews and press conferences etc..

RTE have a huge amount of lee way in so far as the lads can say what they like because there's no one over there watching.

Would Dunphy be given the kind of license to say what he has about the likes of Ronaldo if you knew that Ronaldo and Utd were watching in..

That's why the BBC and Sky can seem so bland.

They are in effect partners with the football clubs so
it doesn't really pay to be too critical..

[ho chi feen]

I was flinching listening to something Ronny Whelan said the other night but I nearly fell off my chair last night when Martin Tyler said that Villareal finishing second in La Liga was the equivalent of Wigan doing it in the premiership.... he asked Andy "I have an opinion for everything" Gray for a bit of back up and low and behold, pat on the back for you Martin.

Are they for fucking real??????

It's a weak comparison, but the fact is Villarreal's population is less than the capacity of their stadium. The only comparison I can think of for a team of that size being so successful is Chievo- and then, romance aside, it should be noted that Chievo is really just a suburb of Verona.

[MonTheHoops]

According to Richard Keys, Alessandro Del Piero has "obviously been watching" Cristiano Ronaldo to produce a fantastic free-kick during Juve's win over Zenit St Petersburg on Wednesday night.

Fucking jokers.


Please tell me you're joking.

[MonTheHoops]

It's a weak comparison, but the fact is Villarreal's population is less than the capacity of their stadium. The only comparison I can think of for a team of that size being so successful is Chievo- and then, romance aside, it should be noted that Chievo is really just a suburb of Verona.

I can see where the comparison comes from, but to compare them to Wigan is ridiculous. For starters, Wigan have never had someone of Riquelme's quality warming his arse on the bench.

[ho chi feen]

I can see where the comparison comes from, but to compare them to Wigan is ridiculous. For starters, Wigan have never had someone of Riquelme's quality warming his arse on the bench.

'Zachery.

[STEVIEG]

Wigan have one of the top 4 managers in the World though:)

[ho chi feen]

Wigan have one of the top 4 managers in the World though:)

Which one though? Rafa? Houllier? Evans? Dogleash?

:p

[MonTheHoops]

Wigan have one of the top 4 managers in the World though:)

I suppose Mourinho must have been waching Steve Bruce.

[STEVIEG]

heh heh:)

[Eoin]

Please tell me you're joking.

Got it from F365 so not sure how accurate it is. It does sound like something they would say though.

[ebenezer]

TBH, I am waiting on Lee Bushwacker's views.

[ebenezer]

This has nothing to do with the recent Liverpool & Villarreal games.

Simple equation : Fergie - Queiroz = fucked.

And for those who might believe I think Villarreal are a soft touch - PFFT.

I actually rate the Spaniards, have done for years.

Vilareal 7 pts clear of Barza before the Classico kicks off.

Fantastic achievement.

Yeah, big shout out to Manuel Pellegrini (even though he isolated my boyfriend).

Top 3 in LA Liga and play good football. Nice little triangles. Easy on the eye.

Not the mention he guided Villarreal to the semi-final of the Champions League a few years ago.

Could be the next Barcelona manager.

[Del]

I was flinching listening to something Ronny Whelan said the other night but I nearly fell off my chair last night when Martin Tyler said that Villareal finishing second in La Liga was the equivalent of Wigan doing it in the premiership.... he asked Andy "I have an opinion for everything" Gray for a bit of back up and low and behold, pat on the back for you Martin.

Are they for fucking real??????

DId u hear when Whelan said that from looking at the United team he didn't think they had a strong squad? This when Berbatov, Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Anderson, Vidic and Ronaldo weren't playing, joke!

[STEVIEG]

This has nothing to do with the recent Liverpool & Villarreal games.

Simple equation : Fergie - Queiroz = fucked.

And for those who might believe I think Villarreal are a soft touch - PFFT.

I actually rate the Spaniards, have done for years.

Cool but was the rest of his career a mere fluke so?

the bit of the career where he won pretty much everything (B.C.) before Carlos:)

[xvis]

Is this a record?


United/Fergie focked after only 3 league games!
(2 away to Pompey and Pool, Next game at the Bridge).




Should United do the the improbable, and win at the Bridge on Sunday they'll be in a great position.
..3 points behind Chelsea with a game in hand, having already done away trips to Chelsea and Liverpool. (and Pompey)


It's an outside bet, but a good carrot for Sunday.

[ebenezer]

Cool but was the rest of his career a mere fluke so?


Now we're talking sense.

[STEVIEG]

Is this a record?


United/Fergie focked after only 3 league games!
(2 away to Pompey and Pool, Next game at the Bridge).




Nope last year was the same amount of games i think after the Man City loss!

Best one was the reaction to the loss against the biggest club in Manchester last February though

I'd love to find the relevant threads here!

[ebenezer]

I just think my fellow Forest supporter, Big Phil, could eat Fergie up this season.

I'll be wearing blue on Sunday.

[STEVIEG]

I just think my fellow Forest supporter, Big Phil, could eat Fergie up this season.

I'll be wearing blue on Sunday.

Big Phil is Maid Marion to Fergie's Robin Hood

Gonna be a good battle though

C'mon you cunts!!!!!!!!

[xvis]

07-08 and 08-09 starts


Chelsea 07-08 (Played 4 (inc Liverpool A), 10 points), 08-09 (Played 4, 10 points) Change +/- 0

Liverpool 07-08 (Played 4 (inc Chelsea H, Villa A), 10 points), 08-09 (Played 4 (Villa A, United H), 10 points) Change +/- 0

Arsenal 07-08 (Played 4, 10 points), 08-09 (Played 4, 9 points) Change 1 point less

United 07-08 (Played 3 (inc Pompey A, City A), 2 points), 08-09 (Played 3 (inc Pompey A, Liverpool A), 4 points) Change 2 points more

[Eoin]

07-08 and 08-09 starts


Chelsea 07-08 (Played 4 (inc Liverpool A), 10 points), 08-09 (Played 4, 10 points) Change +/- 0

Liverpool 07-08 (Played 4 (inc Chelsea H, Villa A), 10 points), 08-09 (Played 4 (Villa A, United H), 10 points) Change +/- 0

Arsenal 07-08 (Played 4, 10 points), 08-09 (Played 4, 9 points) Change 1 point less

United 07-08 (Played 3 (inc Pompey A, City A), 2 points), 08-09 (Played 3 (inc Pompey A, Liverpool A), 4 points) Change 2 points more

Proof that Dunphy was right. Season is over if they lose on sunday.

[Up For The Ba]

Proof that Dunphy was right. Season is over if they lose on sunday.

They have 2 points more this year, last year was a wose start.

[Up For The Ba]

This has nothing to do with the recent Liverpool & Villarreal games.

Simple equation : Fergie - Queiroz = fucked..

So to simplify your equation, Fergie has too more points than Queiroz did last year, marvellous, glad we got that one sorted, i really was having a few sleepless nights lately.

[Up For The Ba]

On a serious note though, from the outset of this campaign I felt that Chelsea probably had the strongest squad in Europe. They are the ones to beat in all competitions. United will start a run of form soon too, i`d much prefer them to win another Champions League if I had a choice. Good start from Liverpool but I wouldnt rate their chances of staying on with mr.indecisive running the show.

[Philby]

While the talk of United being "finished" etc is being treated as the utter bullsh1t that it merits I do think that Chelsea will be quiet a formidable outfit this season (more so in the league than CL as they'll steamroll teams more easily than past Chelsea sides) and Utd will be well advised to keep on their coat tails as much as is humanely possible.

They are not the kind of side you can afford to allow a 8-10 point lead, for example, at any stage of the season. At the moment the 3 pt (working on the assumption that Utd will win their game in hand, at Fulham I believe) gap is nothing to get all worked up about.

Carragher Translation - "Calm down, Calm down"

[Eoin]

They have 2 points more this year, last year was a wose start.

I know that, I was being sarcastic.

[Up For The Ba]

While the talk of United being "finished" etc is being treated as the utter bullsh1t that it merits I do think that Chelsea will be quiet a formidable outfit this season (more so in the league than CL as they'll steamroll teams more easily than past Chelsea sides) and Utd will be well advised to keep on their coat tails as much as is humanely possible.

They are not the kind of side you can afford to allow a 8-10 point lead, for example, at any stage of the season. At the moment the 3 pt (working on the assumption that Utd will win their game in hand, at Fulham I believe) gap is nothing to get all worked up about.

Carragher Translation - "Calm down, Calm down"

You back Chelsea at the right time to be honest.

[Up For The Ba]

I know that, I was being sarcastic.

My bad then!

[Rebelred]

While the talk of United being "finished" etc is being treated as the utter bullsh1t that it merits I do think that Chelsea will be quiet a formidable outfit this season (more so in the league than CL as they'll steamroll teams more easily than past Chelsea sides) and Utd will be well advised to keep on their coat tails as much as is humanely possible.

They are not the kind of side you can afford to allow a 8-10 point lead, for example, at any stage of the season. At the moment the 3 pt (working on the assumption that Utd will win their game in hand, at Fulham I believe) gap is nothing to get all worked up about.

Carragher Translation - "Calm down, Calm down"

would agree there, Chelsea have strength in depth like no other squad frankly, Deco is proving to be a fine acquisition and if they can keep winning, they'll be hard to catch.

[Philby]

You back Chelsea at the right time to be honest.

Yeah. I just thought that given the fact that Utd pipped them at the post just in both competitions last time around (even allowing for Ronaldo's bumper season & injuries to key Chelsea players) Chelsea represented a good bet, esp when they were decidedly 2nd favourites when I backed them. The injury to Essien is a blow but they have got guys who can come in do a decent job there, which could be enough.

[duffer31]

by this logic, hull will be in europe and spurs will be relegated. yeah right

[duffer31]

According to Richard Keys, Alessandro Del Piero has "obviously been watching" Cristiano Ronaldo to produce a fantastic free-kick during Juve's win over Zenit St Petersburg on Wednesday night.

Fucking jokers.


ya because he came up with it himself i suppose. it was neither del pieros or ronaldos free kick but juninho from lyon at the time. in any case that type free kick has a much lower success rate than the more normal type free kick we are used to.it just looks unique and spectacular. richard was right im afraid. almost.

[Rebelred]

Del Piero was knocking in free kicks for fun when Ronaldo was still a young boy trying on his mothers make up

[duffer31]

Del Piero was knocking in free kicks for fun when Ronaldo was still a young boy trying on his mothers make up


correct.i only hope ronaldo can become as good a player. im on about the style of free kick though. do try keep up.

[Philby]

Does CRonaldo's style focus on hitting the ball on the valve (to cause unpredictable swerve)? If so then Robbie Carlos has been at that for a while.

[ho chi feen]

Does CRonaldo's style focus on hitting the ball on the valve (to cause unpredictable swerve)? If so then Robbie Carlos has been at that for a while.

It's more the up and under technique. It's a very odd one- he was hitting them the same way for years, with hilarious results.

[scottyspud1]

i was thinking it was more hit it into the ground,say like a golfer hitting down on the back of the ball.

[Rebelred]

It's more the up and under technique. It's a very odd one- he was hitting them the same way for years, with hilarious results.

he still gets those hilarious results more often than not. Ronaldos frees are hit and miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss...

[STEVIEG]

Ronaldos record from frees was pretty impressive last year in fairness

Think he got about 5 or 6

And btw, he thought the other Ronaldo, Pele and Maradonna every trick they knew, plus he showed Beyonce how to shake her ass and Pete Doherty how to take skagg FACT

[ebenezer]

So to simplify your equation, Fergie has too more points than Queiroz did last year, marvellous, glad we got that one sorted, i really was having a few sleepless nights lately.

Ferguson would want a 10 point Premier League pre-season advantage without his mentor, Carlos Queiroz.

Also, I think UEFA should automatically allow Manchest United into the Quarter-Finals of the Champions League, to cope with Queiroz's absence.

[STEVIEG]

Chelsea can only traditionally win the league by building up huge gaps while United are asleep


They haven't shown their bottle when it comes down to it in May (score draws at home to Bolton when it matters, not good)

I think they will need to be about 6 ahead at least by Xmas

[MonTheHoops]

Chelsea can only traditionally win the league by building up huge gaps while United are asleep


They haven't shown their bottle when it comes down to it in May (score draws at home to Bolton when it matters, not good)

I think they will need to be about 6 ahead at least by Xmas

Can the same not be levelled at United?

I mean you're taking Chelsea's past victories into consideration when predicting the outcome of this year's league run in, why can't we take United's history into consideration when questioning the 'bottle' of teams in May. Don't forget that United have bottled it more often than Chelsea have won it.

[STEVIEG]

Can the same not be levelled at United?

I mean you're taking Chelsea's past victories into consideration when predicting the outcome of this year's league run in, why can't we take United's history into consideration when questioning the 'bottle' of teams in May. Don't forget that United have bottled it more often than Chelsea have won it.

2007, 2008


In both 2005 and 2006 Chelseas were well clear

Their well hyped up bottle didn't materialise last May

And in 1993, 1996, 1999, 2003, 2007, 2008 to name a few

United got home in tight races

Of the ones they blew i can really only say 1995 and 1998 were disasters

2 races

Considering they contend nearly every tear that's not bad


Exactly the number of titles Chelsea have won in the last 50 odd years

[MonTheHoops]

2007, 2008


In both 2005 and 2006 Chelseas were well clear

Their well hyped up bottle didn't materialise last May

And in 1993, 1996, 1999, 2003, 2007, 2008 to name a few

United got home in tight races

Of the ones they blew i can really only say 1995 and 1998 were disasters

2 races

Exactly the number of titles Chelsea have won in the last 50 odd years

Well then traditionally when its tight, United are just as capable of bottling it when coming from behind.

[STEVIEG]

Well then traditionally when its tight, United are just as capable of bottling it when coming from behind.

The facts state otherwise

In about 15 campaigns United have bottled it only a few times

No doubt Chelsea not being within an arses roar of the title most year will benefit them in such a comparison though

[MonTheHoops]

No doubt Chelsea not being within an arses roar of the title most year will benefit them in such a comparison though

That's the point. How can you say they 'traditionally' only win it when well ahead and they 'traditionally' bottle it when not?

[STEVIEG]

That's the point. How can you say they 'traditionally' only win it when well ahead and they 'traditionally' bottle it when not?

Their tradition in these races more-or-less started 4 years ago and i'm judging them on this period


Big leads lead to title processions (2005/6)

Tight races led to second place (2007/2008 )

Judging United on their era of being in contention, i would say that 1992, 1995, and 1998 were the only bad collapses (95 not even that bad all things considered)

Before this period they were in a Chelsea like wilderness and not competing

My initial comment was simply stating that, despite Chelsea being widely tipped to be over-whelming title favourites by everyone and dead certs by many, they may well have to wrap it up before spring (my view is that Uniteds run-in will give them quite a chance if it is close by then, but their crap start and excursions in December might hurt them)

Also, Liverpool and Arsenal still remain possibilities

[AmadeusDC]

Also, Liverpool and Arsenal still remain possibilities

True, they are an outside bet to make the Big 4 into the Big 5

Remember............

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6237/big4le8.jpg

;) :D

-AmadeusDC-

[duffer31]

true, they are an outside bet to make the big 4 into the big 5

remember............

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6237/big4le8.jpg

;) :d

-amadeusdc-





lol

[ho chi feen]

2007, 2008


In both 2005 and 2006 Chelseas were well clear

Their well hyped up bottle didn't materialise last May

And in 1993, 1996, 1999, 2003, 2007, 2008 to name a few

United got home in tight races

Of the ones they blew i can really only say 1995 and 1998 were disasters

2 races

Considering they contend nearly every tear that's not bad


Exactly the number of titles Chelsea have won in the last 50 odd years

I think 1992 has to go on that list.

I probably wouldn't categorise 1998 as such, more a case of the absence of Keane and an accumulation of injuries (and a fantastic Arsenal side) rather than bottling.

[STEVIEG]

I think 1992 has to go on that list.

I probably wouldn't categorise 1998 as such, more a case of the absence of Keane and an accumulation of injuries (and a fantastic Arsenal side) rather than bottling.

Yeah i corrected it a few posts later

1992 was bottled big style

[Lee Bushwacker]

2007, 2008


In both 2005 and 2006 Chelseas were well clear

Their well hyped up bottle didn't materialise last May

And in 1993, 1996, 1999, 2003, 2007, 2008 to name a few

United got home in tight races

Of the ones they blew i can really only say 1995 and 1998 were disasters

2 races

Considering they contend nearly every tear that's not bad


Exactly the number of titles Chelsea have won in the last 50 odd years

:D
Nice one Stevie
Hit the begrudgers hard! :twisted:

[mightyquark]

Oh lets brings this back to the top!!!!
0-0 against a Swedish side that was missing 5 of their starting 11 and even then they would be considered shite..
Carlos Queiroz got it all wrong tonight against a predictable Swedish team.
Good coach..........poor manager.

Fergie obviously ran the show...

[Lee Bushwacker]

Yeah i corrected it a few posts later

1992 was bottled big style

:(
Bit harsh there Stevie.
Because of the Euro 1992 tournament United had to play 6 games in a 2 week period at the end of the season. Apart from that, during the run-in in a game away to West Ham, Lee Sharpe scored but was called offside having run from the United half. This 1-0 loss really changed the title race.
Looking back though, 1992 could be seen as the darkness just before the dawn! :D

[Lee Bushwacker]

Good coach..........poor manager.

Fergie obviously ran the show...

;)
Just ask Real Madrid about it! :rolleyes:

[mightyquark]

;)
Just ask Real Madrid about it! :rolleyes:

yep...He has a good coaching record and a poor managerial record

[dancefreak2003]

Queiroz is having a bit of a mare at the moment.

5 points from 4 games.

3-2 loss to Denmark
0-0 draw with Sweden
0-0 draw with 10 man Albania

their only victory came against Malta

[shammy feen]

Their tradition in these races more-or-less started 4 years ago and i'm judging them on this period




"A tradition is a practice, custom, or story (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story) that is memorized and passed down from generation to generation"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition

Shaky ground there Stevie....

I think the word you are looking for is Trend rather than Tradition.


I know i am biased, but I thought considering our injuries last season and the ANC missing list we showed a lot of bottle to push United to the last day of the season and an unfortunate slip short of being european champions.

The reference to us just winning 2 titles in 50 years is correct,(though it would be 3 titles in 55 years if you stretched it back to 1954).

Thanks for pointing out that your one is bigger than mine.

Shammy
;-)

p.s Now if someone could start crowing about how many titles and cups united and / or Liverpool have, I would really appreciate it. (please make reference to Chelsea having "No 'Istory" while doing so). ;-)

[STEVIEG]

Chelsea have history

But in title races United and Arsenal would be the dons in recent times



as for Carlito, he seems lost without Fergie:)

[Philby]

I know i am biased, but I thought considering our injuries last season and the ANC missing list we showed a lot of bottle to push United to the last day of the season and an unfortunate slip short of being european champions

That's the point I've been making the whole time. Chelsea should've been favourites going into this season as, despite multiple injuries to key players last year, they were just a whisker short of doing the double themselves last year...and also Ronaldo missing the first few weeks is a significant enough factor.

It will take a huge effort to get your noses in front of Chelsea and win the title this year.

[STEVIEG]

same every year at this stage

Chelsea haven't won the league in 3 years, with their squad it's pretty poor going, especially considering they don't win Champions leagues either


You look at the years United and Arsenal don't win the league and fair enough, they may not have had the squad to cope, but Chelsea have no excuses

All teams get injuries and when it came to bottle, United beat a tricky Wigan away, Chelsea drew with Bolton, and United held their nerve in Moscow better too


Chelsea are the favourites for the league and everything yet again

But Scolari will face serious questions if they don't get success

His record in big games is not truly amazing......

[Edmund Blackwater]

same every year at this stage, and United held their nerve in Moscow better too
.
define holding your nerve.

They bottled it from half time on and but for van der Saar and the woodwork would have been buried.
The one man in the one man team was pocketed and missed his penalty.
terry bottled hie.

hardly holding your nerve.

[STEVIEG]

United won

and hold the two big trophies as well as their nerve

Only for Cech they would have been out of sight at half time and he made a good stop from Giggs later too

all the United new signings scored their pens and even the 42 goal man's miss didn't cost them as the Chelsea captain blatantly didn't hold his nerve

as Xvis said recently, United were resting players with 3 games to go in the title race and despite celebrating like a bunch of new money cunts after their ref assisted win at the bridge Ballack and co finished empty handed yet again (he is a specialist in this field)

[Edmund Blackwater]

United won

and hold the two big trophies as well as their nerve

Only for Cech they would have been out of sight at half time and he made a good stop from Giggs later too

all the United new signings scored their pens and even the 42 goal man's miss didn't cost them as the Chelsea captain blatantly didn't hold his nerve

as Xvis said recently, United were resting players with 3 games to go in the title race and despite celebrating like a bunch of new money cunts after their ref assisted win at the bridge Ballack and co finished empty handed yet again (he is a specialist in this field)
None of that refutes what I said, though.
Or substantiates what you said though.

They blatantly didn't hold their nerve.

[STEVIEG]

They did

Unlike Terry and Chelsea

[Edmund Blackwater]

They did

Unlike Terry and Chelsea
Hardly.

[shammy feen]

same every year at this stage

Chelsea haven't won the league in 3 years,with their squad it's pretty poor going, especially considering they don't win Champions leagues either (True)


You look at the years United and Arsenal don't win the league and fair enough, they may not have had the squad to cope, but Chelsea have no excuses (United's squad is just as good as chelseas so why are they entitled to excuses if they dont win the league? IMO neither side have any excuses)

All teams get injuries and when it came to bottle, United beat a tricky Wigan away, Chelsea drew with Bolton, and United held their nerve in Moscow better too (United edged Chelsea on Penalties through a piece of bad luck..hardly holding their nerve better...If what happened to John Terry happened to any other team i really doubt that any other penalty takers to come wouldnt have been influenced.)


Chelsea are the favourites for the league and everything yet again (Not everything... They are not favourites for The Rose of Tralee )

But Scolari will face serious questions if they don't get success (Of course he will! Considering the investment its part and parcel of the job and he knows all the pitfalls well in advance. Fergie on the other hand has earned the occasional empty season. Fair play to him. One of the very best managers England has ever seen.He was nearly sacked at the beginning of his tenure though wasnt he? New managers are always at more risk of the sack.)

His record in big games is not truly amazing......(World Cup Final 2002 big enough for ya? ;))

Responses in bold.

Love the show by the way Stevie.;)

[STEVIEG]

Responses in bold.


Honourable responses

I knew the World Cup thing would be mentioned and probably should have added that as a major exception

In recent years his teams have looked more suspect but i rate him highly still and still would have them favs for the league (3 in a rows are unlikely sadly and i think it's United v Chelsea)

[shammy feen]

Stevie..why is there a picture of you and Shaun Wright Phillips and Michael Duberry on your Blog?

Closet City fan?..or worse Leeds.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pcTZDrulS5c/SM2RlZ53HpI/AAAAAAAAAlc/LaaI8DySOCc/s320/DSC04596.JPG

[STEVIEG]

:) ya bollix!

[Rebelred]

Stevie..why is there a picture of you and Shaun Wright Phillips and Michael Duberry on your Blog?

Closet City fan?..or worse Leeds.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pcTZDrulS5c/SM2RlZ53HpI/AAAAAAAAAlc/LaaI8DySOCc/s320/DSC04596.JPG

are you wearing make up there ya big girls blouse?

[STEVIEG]

er, defo not!

[shammy feen]

er, defo not!

Not even a smidgeon of rouge?
You have definately done something with your hair though...

[RonnyB]

That's the point I've been making the whole time. Chelsea should've been favourites going into this season as, despite multiple injuries to key players last year, they were just a whisker short of doing the double themselves last year...and also Ronaldo missing the first few weeks is a significant enough factor.

It will take a huge effort to get your noses in front of Chelsea and win the title this year.

Its not like United didnt suffer any injuries either last season. Rooney missed the 1st month or so, Scholes had a similar if not longer spell out last season than what he's facing now, Hargreaves was in & out with his knee for the season, Carrick broke his elbow, Vidic was crocked for parts of the seasons climax. All teams suffer injuries its how you deal with them.

I wouldnt say they missed out by a whisker either. United rested players at Stamford Bridge safe in the knowledge by winning the last 2 games Chelsea couldnt stop United winning the title.

On the huge effort to get ahead of Chelsea, United are 6 points behind with a game in hand which is at home to Fulham. Taking into account United have been to both Anfield & Stamford Bridge not to mention past bogey grounds at Pompey & Blackburn I'm fairly happy with the seasons start. The only thing that could fock it up at the moment is the trip to Japan.

[Philby]

Chelsea haven't won the league in 3 years, with their squad it's pretty poor going, especially considering they don't win Champions leagues either

Yes they bloody well have.

Out of the last 3 Prem Titles available to win Chelsea have won 1 (05/06) and United have won the other two (06/07 & 07/08).

Unless you're criticising them for not sowing up the 08/09 campaign after 7 games which is pretty harsh even considering their hefty bank balance!

But Scolari will face serious questions if they don't get success

And rightly so but in his defence he has barely put a foot wrong so far as his side are top of the league

[Philby]

Its not like United didnt suffer any injuries either last season. Rooney missed the 1st month or so, Scholes had a similar if not longer spell out last season than what he's facing now, Hargreaves was in & out with his knee for the season, Carrick broke his elbow, Vidic was crocked for parts of the seasons climax. All teams suffer injuries its how you deal with them.

IMHO Chelsea's injuries were to more important players and for longer periods of time.

I wouldnt say they missed out by a whisker either. United rested players at Stamford Bridge safe in the knowledge by winning the last 2 games Chelsea couldnt stop United winning the title.

They lost in a penalty shoot-out in the CL when they were a kick away from winning it.

They were an injury-time equaliser away from finishing level of points with the eventual league winners.

That's as close run as both of those competitions tend to go fella.

On the huge effort to get ahead of Chelsea, United are 6 points behind with a game in hand which is at home to Fulham. Taking into account United have been to both Anfield & Stamford Bridge not to mention past bogey grounds at Pompey & Blackburn I'm fairly happy with the seasons start. The only thing that could fock it up at the moment is the trip to Japan.

Given the absence of Ronaldo & Utd's fixture list I think they won't be too worried right now. I just think that Chelsea, bar anymore injuries to key players after losing Essien & Drogba, will be a very tough side to finish ahead of this year.

[STEVIEG]

Not even a smidgeon of rouge?
You have definately done something with your hair though...

You have my word!

[STEVIEG]

Their last league win was three seasons ago

Happy?:)

[Philby]

Their last league win was three seasons ago

Happy?:)

Delighted Stevie.

As an aside I'm shocked at United's total inability to mount a successful CL defence, they haven't even made it past the group stage!

[STEVIEG]

heh heh heh

Don't remind me:)

[mightyquark]

0-0 at home to Albania!!!

Guess Carlos Queiroz will be on the phone to Fergie for Some managerial advice.

[RonnyB]

IMHO Chelsea's injuries were to more important players and for longer periods of time.

2 years ago perhaps that would have held water. Last year I'm not so sure

They lost in a penalty shoot-out in the CL when they were a kick away from winning it.

And the reason they were a kick away from winning it is cos the man who scored the majority of his pens the last 18 or so missed 1 of the most important of them all. Its a silly thing to use really.

They were an injury-time equaliser away from finishing level of points with the eventual league winners.

They knew months in advance that fininshing level on points with United would not be good enough consdiering goal difference. United knew they could afford to lose at Stamford Bridge with a weakened team yet still have the league in their own hands. Also Chelsea's winner came late in the game as well. The late goal debate is a bit old too. Didnt Arsenal deprive United of 2 points with Gallas' goal at the Emirates?

That's as close run as both of those competitions tend to go fella.



Given the absence of Ronaldo & Utd's fixture list I think they won't be too worried right now. I just think that Chelsea, bar anymore injuries to key players after losing Essien & Drogba, will be a very tough side to finish ahead of this year.

On the last point I dont think they're anywhere near as powerful as they were under Mourinho. I think its easier to score against them too.

[STEVIEG]

Chelsea drew two games 4-4

Nuff fucking said

Terry enthusiasts, Ashely Cole worshippers and Peter Cech fanclub members can bang on all they want about injuries but as ronny says, this would not happen under Jose

4 goals conceded!!!!!!!!!! At home

Not Championship material

[Philby]

Chelsea drew two games 4-4

Nuff fucking said

Terry enthusiasts, Ashely Cole worshippers and Peter Cech fanclub members can bang on all they want about injuries but as ronny says, this would not happen under Jose

4 goals conceded!!!!!!!!!! At home

Not Championship material

Not taking a single point from Man City isn't Prem League winners material either but United managed it.

[Philby]

On the last point I dont think they're anywhere near as powerful as they were under Mourinho. I think its easier to score against them too.

Just to re-iterate my point...Chelsea pushed United very very close on both fronts last year despite injuries and despite Ronaldo playing like a demon all year. If Chelsea don't take on too many injuries and Ronaldo doesn't have another magical season I can see Chelsea being more successful than United in the league, that's all.

Whatever way you want to dress it up the fact remains that the margins by which they lost out in both competitions were pretty fine in comparison to previous years.

[RonnyB]

Not taking a single point from Man City isn't Prem League winners material either but United managed it.

Anything can happen in derby games. I can remember United losing to Liverpool twice in 00/01 yet had the league wrapped up by Easter. Arsenal beat United twice in 06/07 yet we all know who won the league.

It doesnt matter who you lose to once its not a geniune title rival IMO & once the defeats are kept to a minimum.

[RonnyB]

Just to re-iterate my point...Chelsea pushed United very very close on both fronts last year despite injuries and despite Ronaldo playing like a demon all year. If Chelsea don't take on too many injuries and Ronaldo doesn't have another magical season I can see Chelsea being more successful than United in the league, that's all.


If Chelsea are the better team this year why couldnt they beat a Spurs team who've been awful up to now? Also they have dropped 4 points at home already.

For me once Fergie settles on his midfield 2 & who plays left side then United will be a much more balanced side than Chelsea although not knowing these scenarios last year didnt cost Fergie too much.

[Philby]

Anything can happen in derby games. I can remember United losing to Liverpool twice in 00/01 yet had the league wrapped up by Easter. Arsenal beat United twice in 06/07 yet we all know who won the league.

Calling Liverpool-v-United a derby game is a stretch and you'd need to be zoomed out pretty far on google earth to think that Arsenal-v-United is a derby. How are these games relevant?

It doesnt matter who you lose to once its not a geniune title rival IMO & once the defeats are kept to a minimum.

I agree that losing to title rivals hurts you more than losing to chumps but how Stevie can say that getting draws against Spurs & Villa are signs that Chelsea weren't title challengers when City did the double over Utd really stumps me..

[Philby]

If Chelsea are the better team this year why couldnt they beat a Spurs team who've been awful up to now? Also they have dropped 4 points at home already.

Chelsea have played better than Utd and are currently top of the league. That's enough evidence for me so far..

[shammy feen]

If Chelsea are the better team this year why couldnt they beat a Spurs team who've been awful up to now? Also they have dropped 4 points at home already.


Question: How many points have Chelsea dropped Away from Home this season in 3 games?

Answer: Big Fat Zero

[STEVIEG]

Not taking a single point from Man City isn't Prem League winners material either but United managed it.

Big whoopty wooo City won their cup final while United won the big two trophies



After City beat United in february many declared the title race over



Chelsea conceded 4 goals twice, i can't remember United conceding over 2 even once


Chelseas' dodgy defence was one of the reasons why they didn't win the league

They are defending better this year though

[Philby]

Big whoopty wooo City won their cup final while United won the big two trophies

Twice.

After City beat United in february many declared the title race over

Chelsea conceded 4 goals twice, i can't remember United conceding over 2 even once

Chelseas' dodgy defence was one of the reasons why they didn't win the league

They are defending better this year though

Whether they conceded 8 or 0 they still took 2 points from those games and Utd took none from their Citeh games.

Just showing up the fallacy of you highlighting 2 drawn games against talented sides as the reason why Chelsea didn't win the league. Madness.

[STEVIEG]

Twice.



Whether they conceded 8 or 0 they still took 2 points from those games and Utd took none from their Citeh games.

Just showing up the fallacy of you highlighting 2 drawn games against talented sides as the reason why Chelsea didn't win the league. Madness.

United can afford to lose about 5 or 6 games a season and win the league-The circumstances behind those losses are similar to many excuses we here about Chelsea not winning the league (injuries etc, particularly the first game, during the seconf United were simply shit)

the fact is Chelsea blew terrible leads at important times against both Spurs and Villa, and conceded 4 goals in each game, one, against a team virtually on summer holidays who have done fuck all since and who should have had the advantage of the over-rated Ashley Cole being consigned to the bench for acting like a complete cunt

Still, losing a 2 goal lead in cruise control against such a side indicates a lot to me, and it certainly ain't bottle

[ebenezer]

Mike Phelan is no Carlos Queiroz. :cool:

Fergie is fucked. :mrgreen:

Blue is the colour. Big Phil is the name. :-D

[STEVIEG]

Portugal are in trouble too but good try

When Fergie draws games threads are bumped, the birds sing and the newspapers sell

Box Office

[Lee Bushwacker]

Portugal are in trouble too but good try

When Fergie draws games threads are bumped, the birds sing and the newspapers sell

Box Office

:lol::lol::lol:

[ebenezer]

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/FergieCeleGET_468x37 8.jpg

Whose eyes is Fergie's inspiration being drawn from :?:

[ho chi feen]

Whose eyes is Fergie's inspiration being drawn from :?:

Heh heh heh.

Repped.

[ebenezer]

Am I making sense yet :?:

[ebenezer]

It may, however, be not some dubious tactical ploy on Ferguson's part but, rather, the effect of losing the real coach of the team during the summer and replacing him with the mighty Mike Phelan. I don't think it's just the injuries and players being away and missing pre-season. Something more fundamental wrong so far this year.

:cool:

[ebenezer]

Alex Ferguson - fluking it since 1990 :

yHuUYa0sMnU

Watch the take from Clough at 2:40.

Exquisite. :cool:

[dancefreak2003]

A Luis Fabiano hat-trick powered Brazil to a 6-2 victory over Portugal in Brasilia on Wednesday.

The win was a reprieve for embattled Brazil coach Dunga, whose team had been held scoreless in three consecutive home games in World Cup qualifying.

However, the defeat increases pressure on new Portugal boss Carlos Queiroz as his country slipped to their heaviest defeat to Brazil.

Danny opened the scoring for the visitors on four minutes, but Fabiano equalised shortly after following a break down the left by Robinho.

And the Sevilla striker then put Brazil ahead in the 25th minute with a shot on the turn from Kaka's pass.

The second half produced four goals in a 10-minute spell as Maicon scored and Fabiano completed his hat-trick.

Simao Sabrosa pulled one back for Portugal, only for Manchester City midfielder Elano to net before Adriano completed the rout.



Life's great for the ex No. 2 these days!

[STEVIEG]

He'll be on the phone to Fergie alright!!!!!!

[Lee Bushwacker]

[QUOTE=ebenezer;23422 69]Alex Ferguson - fluking it since 1990 :

yHuUYa0sMnU

Watch the take from Clough at 2:40.

:D
Fergie's first, of many, big games with United.
Cloughie's second last with Forrest.
Facts are facts Eb.
Have a drink on me! :rolleyes:

[ebenezer]

Hi Lee. :D

Great cup tie. Jemmo should have had a hat-trick.

[ho chi feen]

I don't think Queiroz will be in a job for much longer.

[dancefreak2003]

Looks like Alex is finished.

Carlos Queiroz was running the show at Old Trafford for the last few years.

Now, let's face facts, you're no mug if you replace Big Phil for a very good national side.

Speaking of Scolari, defeat for Fergie in London on Sunday could be the beginning of the end.

Oh Dear!

Looks like you got the wrong end of the stick there EB.

[ebenezer]

Oh Dear!

Looks like you got the wrong end of the stick there EB.

NO http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Tt4QMPx 6ULbzIM:http://www.akastatistic.org/wp-content/themes/aka/images/dice.jpg,Freaky.

Fergie has no chance of retaining the title or European Cup this season without the coaching/tactical/touchline virtuoso which is, Carlos Queiroz.

Incidentally, Anyone remember Fergie, himself, being hit for SIX :?:

At The Dell. Egil Ostenstad. :oops:

[Johnny Logan]

NO http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Tt4QMPx 6ULbzIM:http://www.akastatistic.org/wp-content/themes/aka/images/dice.jpg,Freaky.

Fergie has no chance of retaining the title or European Cup this season without the coaching/tactical/touchline virtuoso which is, Carlos Queiroz.

Incidentally, Anyone remember Fergie, himself, being hit for SIX :?:

At The Dell. Egil Ostenstad. :oops:

more like the grey jerseys

:mrgreen:

[RonnyB]

more like the grey jerseys

:mrgreen:

Wrong game.

[Johnny Logan]

Wrong game.

im not saying its the same game.
anytime you think of utd being beaten at the dell you think of that game with the jerseys. worst excuse ever.
far more embarassing

[STEVIEG]

They won the league that season all the same

[Johnny Logan]

They won the league that season all the same
even if they won the treble it still was the worst all time excuse ever used in soccer history

[STEVIEG]

Yup

it was poor alright

He always has an another agenda though and deflects it from his players

[Johnny Logan]

Yup

it was poor alright

He always has an another agenda though and deflects it from his players

well true. the players didnt get blamed at all for that loss.
fergie got ridiculed for llosing and having the worst exucse ever.

i wonder will cappi lose the armband or even get sacked before the man city game?

[ebenezer]

Hmmm. Aalborg.

[dancefreak2003]

Hmmm. Aalborg.

Clutching at straws here....it was a nothing game...still topped the group table.



Job done.

[ebenezer]

Clutching at straws here....it was a nothing game...still topped the group table.



Job done.

With the less group wins of all the group winners. :oops:

Panathinaikos even won more.

It's not as if United were in a tough group - Aalborg & Celtic. :oops: :oops:

[STEVIEG]

Yet another Fergie team wins after being reduced to 10 men

How many times has he done that?

Better phone Carlos

[ebenezer]

Who were they playing :?:

San Marino's top club side :?:

[STEVIEG]

Who were they playing :?:

San Marino's top club side :?:

Who cares?

They are still the best team In South America and as irrelevant as the trophy was Fergie showed good management again

How is Carlito doing lately for Portugal?

[ebenezer]

Who cares?

How is Carlito doing lately for Portugal?

1) Absolutley no-one (excluding Kola).

2) Plotting qualification for the World Cup. :cool:

[STEVIEG]

He is on the phone to Alex everyday i reckon:)

[mightyquark]

Hope their is a good phone rate between Portugal and Manchester...
Otherwise the Porteguese FA could go bankrupt.

[ebenezer]

Hope their is a good phone rate between Portugal and Manchester...
Otherwise the Porteguese FA could go bankrupt.

Irrelevant.

Ronaldo flys over and back.

[mightyquark]

Irrelevant.

Ronaldo flys over and back.

Actually I must say that was good!!:D ..fair dues.

But it is Fergusson that Carlos is more interested in talking to.....

[dancefreak2003]

Sunday, December 21, 2008.



Manchester United are the OFFICIAL WORLD CHAMPIONS.



Keep it OFFICIAL Baby!!

[ebenezer]

Manchester United are the OFFICIAL WORLD CHAMPIONS.


Open wide for some soccer.

You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga, Adiaga two, Badiaga, Aruglia, Pizzoza, and Ronaldo.

This match will determine once and for all which team is the greatest on earth - Manchest United or Club De San Marino.

[dancefreak2003]

Open wide for some soccer.

You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga, Adiaga two, Badiaga, Aruglia, Pizzoza, and Ronaldo.

This match will determine once and for all which team is the greatest on earth - Manchest United or Club De San Marino.

Thats doing a great disservice to the SOUTH AMERICAN CHAMPIONS.

Manchester United - Top of the Pile.

Numero Uno amigo!!

N.B. Manso would be a quality signing for Forrest.

[xvis]

Open wide for some soccer.

You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga, Adiaga two, Badiaga, Aruglia, Pizzoza, and Ronaldo.

This match will determine once and for all which team is the greatest on earth - Manchest United or Club De San Marino.

http://www.nacional.com.uy/mvdcms/index_1.html

[ebenezer]

Anyone have the score from the Crapling Cup tie against Direby :?:

Thanks in advance.

[mightyquark]

Anyone have the score from the Crapling Cup tie against Direby :?:

Thanks in advance.

Well most people know that the Semi Final Crapling Cup tie is played over 2 legs so as of yet there is no official result...sorry that we cant help you with your question.

[KD Langer]

bump

[ebenezer]

bump

Tomorrow, kid. :D

[ebenezer]

Jesus Christ.

:o :o :o

[ebenezer]

Should Queiroz actually phone home :?:

[STEVIEG]

Should Queiroz actually phone home :?:

In Portugal, his home, he is not exactly Mr Popular

[ebenezer]

Jesus Christ.

I mightn't even have a comeback.

:o :o :o

[ho chi feen]

:)

[ebenezer]

I'm serious.

Some would call me 'PWNED'.

[ebenezer]

Save me Lisandro López. :cool:

[STEVIEG]

Bruno Alves and the Albanian goalie just saved the Portugese Wolrd Cup campaign in the last minute of injury time

[Philby]

Cringe

http://www.dangerhere.com/carlos-queiroz-joins-black-eyed-peas/