F**K Fox News

[Arcadia]

During the Olympics closing ceromony fireworks fatigue yesterday I switched to Fox news as their geeky clean cut Ralph Lauren clad reporter tried to talk to left-wing demonstrators on their way to the Democratic Party Convention.
Demonstrators refused to speak to him or just shouted "Fuck Fox News" and surrounded him football chant style "Fuck Fox News" over and over and switching to the big perma hair botoxed anchor at the studio as the signal went dead from the demonstration as she said "I hope Brad is O.k. etc"
One in the eye for Fox News.

[rollingstone]

especially f**k bill o'reilly (his ancestors would be disgusted!), and double f**k sean hannity. pillock. c**t. etc......

[jd26]

I was travelling for work a while ago and had Fox News as one of the channels available.

I have to say, I'd never realised how bad it was. The only thing that would give it a run for its money is The Daily Mail. I've certainly never seen a TV station be as biased.

[rollingstone]

I was travelling for work a while ago and had Fox News as one of the channels available.

I have to say, I'd never realised how bad it was. The only thing that would give it a run for its money is The Daily Mail. I've certainly never seen a TV station be as biased.

At least it provides the daily show with acres of material, they practically do jon stewarts work for him

[ANVIL]

It may be called Faux News but I think it's an ideal counter-balance to the overwhelmingly liberal bias of most American media.
Like the Daily Mail it has its good and bad points which you slice-and-dice how you wish and like the Daily Mail it is VERY successful.

[Arcadia]

It may be called Faux News but I think it's an ideal counter-balance to the overwhelmingly liberal bias of most American media.
Like the Daily Mail it has its good and bad points which you slice-and-dice how you wish and like the Daily Mail it is VERY successful.

:rolleyes:

[Bin Hex 12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDGhs_LN7Fk

[Actin The Sham]

GDGhs_LN7Fk

Fixed

[Actin The Sham]

and like the Daily Mail it is VERY successful.

Do you mean the Irish Daily Mail?

I thought it was losing millions.

[Bin Hex 12]

Fixed

Cheers.

[Lamps]

People who get worked up about Fox News are worse than Fox news itself.

I find Bill O'Reilly great tv, and to be fair to him, there is no spin on the factor. He goes after liberals and conservatives alike

[west cork rebel]

Do you mean the Irish Daily Mail

I thought it was losing millions.

biggest oxymoron of them all

[ANVIL]

Do you mean the Irish Daily Mail?

I thought it was losing millions.

If I'd meant the Irish Daily Mail I would have said so.

[DogTheLangerHunter]

People who get worked up about Fox News are worse than Fox news itself.

I find Bill O'Reilly great tv, and to be fair to him, there is no spin on the factor. He goes after liberals and conservatives alike

He really doesn't though.

It is great entertainment,shit news though.Unlike CNN which is shit at both entertainment and news.

[DogTheLangerHunter]

Also Bill O Reilly's wife used to go out with Flava Flav,I find this funny.

[ArpA]

He goes after liberals and conservatives alike

Oh no...

Have a look at articles on this page:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=13

Fox News is one of the most biased media outlets.

I would recommend the excellent "Outfoxed" documentary as well.

As for the Daily Mail...
Fair enough if you want to read crap.
It is not news. Nor it is journalism.

An independent quality paper you could read:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2005/jan/20/theguardian.pressand publishing

[flesh_incinerator]

Oh no...

Have a look at articles on this page:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=13

Fox News is one of the most biased media outlets.

I would recommend the excellent "Outfoxed" documentary as well.

As for the Daily Mail...
Fair enough if you want to read crap.
It is not news. Nor it is journalism.

An independent quality paper you could read:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2005/jan/20/theguardian.pressand publishing

Ya, outfoxed is definately worth watching.

[Proinsias]

Oh no...

Have a look at articles on this page:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=13

Fox News is one of the most biased media outlets.

I would recommend the excellent "Outfoxed" documentary as well.

As for the Daily Mail...
Fair enough if you want to read crap.
It is not news. Nor it is journalism.

An independent quality paper you could read:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2005/jan/20/theguardian.pressand publishing

All newspapers have their pwn agendas. I've found the UK's Times to be, politically, the most centreist. The Guardian is quite left wing and I now consider the UK's Independent to be verging on the screaming left wing side. I reckon if one was to read the same story in the Telegraph and the Guardian, you'd have a pretty good, balanced view of the affair, both excellent newspapers, albeit with their own agendas.

The Daily Mail is a hate-filled rag. I read it frequently to find out what's making the average person in the UK so angry.

[Riordan]

Fuck Fox?, fine fuck it right in its ear.

But if your going after biased papers/media spare some spunk for the Irish Times, RTE, the Indo, the Sunday Times, the Guardian, the Torygraph. Frankly I find all this Fox bashing more to do not with Fox being biased just not biased in favor of the Left.

Lads every editor has an opinion they are all biased, some more blatantly than others but none-the-less, they are biased. Well the Examiner is ok, sorta-kinda.

And don't get me started on the Echo!, their coverage of the U12's football last week was a disgrace, could they have licked Bushs ass anymore!?!

[jd26]

I think the difference between newspapers and TV stations is that anyone can set up a newspaper to get across their point of view. Even though satellite has brought a lot more stations, the ability to set up a TV station is still very controlled.

As for newspapers, I'm not sure there's any that doesn't have an agenda at all. Strangely, given the general perception of it, I would say the Financial Times is probably one of the most unbiased.

[Proinsias]

I think the difference between newspapers and TV stations is that anyone can set up a newspaper to get across their point of view. Even though satellite has brought a lot more stations, the ability to set up a TV station is still very controlled.

As for newspapers, I'm not sure there's any that doesn't have an agenda at all. Strangely, given the general perception of it, I would say the Financial Times is probably one of the most unbiased.

That and the Economist but they're biased from their view of the world in financial terms, which many would claim is "right wing". Both excellent publications.

I'm not convinced by the Economist's claims to be a newspaper either. You're a magazine lads, face it.

[BangorFeen]

That and the Economist but they're biased from their view of the world in financial terms, which many would claim is "right wing". Both excellent publications.

I'm not convinced by the Economist's claims to be a newspaper either. You're a magazine lads, face it.
I've been pleasantly surprised by The Economist's editorial line recently. A very good publication which I enjoy reading. Agree with you on the magazine thing. I'm not sure what their problem is because it's not as if anyone disputes their quality. Their coverage of the Russian invasion of Georgia was excellent

[Proinsias]

I've been pleasantly surprised by The Economist's editorial line recently. A very good publication which I enjoy reading. Agree with you on the magazine thing. I'm not sure what their problem is because it's not as if anyone disputes their quality. Their coverage of the Russian invasion of Georgia was excellent

Their website is pretty decent too.

Used to take me a couple of days commute to get through, tis very rare you'd find a badly written piece in it.

IMO, their coverage of global news is unrivaled.

[BangorFeen]

Their website is pretty decent too.

Used to take me a couple of days commute to get through, tis very rare you'd find a badly written piece in it.

IMO, their coverage of global news is unrivaled.
It's brilliant for travelling. I'm off galavanting with work for the next few days so I'll have to pick up a copy later

[Actin The Sham]

The Daily Mail is a load of shite. Ireland's Own is the best.

[KD Langer]

Though I think O'Reilly is a blowhard, I usually agree with him.

- LBF

then you are an idiot.


sorry.


-KD Langer.

[Proinsias]

- Explain, please. Is it because I don't drink the Cool Aid? Is it because I'm not a flake? Is it because I don't believe the world can be a safe place without a large portion of its population being subdued or neutralized? Is it because I don't believe abortion has anything to do with 'a woman's body'? Is it because I don't want our country slowly and openly invaded by people who want to subdue us? Is it because I believe in heritage and tradition? Is it because I don't believe everyone should be slyly and subtly coerced into believing what you believe? Is it because I believe Ireland should have nothing to do with the EU outside of trade agreements? Is it because I believe we're better suited to a North Atlantic alliance of America, Britain, Canada, and though interrupted by sea and land, our Antipodean cousins, and not people whose language we don't even speak and with whom we have few cultural connections?

Please, tell me.

- LBF

Some of those beliefs are a bit, well, strange.
Let's build big towers to deal with those troublesome foreign invaders.

[Proinsias]

- Strange? Possibly. No towers needed, just rational truth-facing.

- LBF

And a whole lot of barrier building.

Security at passport control: Foreigner eh? Fuck off, you're not coming in

Non-Irisher: But I'm coming over on business

Security: Ok, but we'll watch your ass like a hawk and if you even think of staying we'll beat your ass so bad you won't even be able to sit during your flight back to whereeverthehellyou' vecomefrom.

Non-Irisher: Well, that's the last time I'm coming to this pokey little country. Let's see what the Belgians are up to


It only works for the US and the UK because people have to deal with them. I've consciously not gone to the US for the past few years, despite having the option to go, as I don't want to deal with their shit to do with visas n all that. It's actually easier to go do a bit of work in China. You certainly get less hassle.

[Proinsias]

- Allow foreigners in, by all means. Let 'em stay if they can benefit the economy. But don't let in asylum seekers or other sponger-grifters.

- LBF

Right.

And you don't see the problem with that sort of attitude?

Or the irony of an Irish person holding that view?

[starchaser]

During the Olympics closing ceromony fireworks fatigue yesterday I switched to Fox news as their geeky clean cut Ralph Lauren clad reporter tried to talk to left-wing demonstrators on their way to the Democratic Party Convention.
Demonstrators refused to speak to him or just shouted "Fuck Fox News" and surrounded him football chant style "Fuck Fox News" over and over and switching to the big perma hair botoxed anchor at the studio as the signal went dead from the demonstration as she said "I hope Brad is O.k. etc"
One in the eye for Fox News.

that f** fox news video says more about the protestors than fox news.

fox laid the bait.

protestors took it and provided huge ammunition for fox. "look - arent all leftists seriously fucking weird , and violent moonbats?"

i wish to hell that the protestors had just ignored the fox news fucker. but then , the braincells seemed to be lacking on the protestor front.

[starchaser]

- Allow foreigners in, by all means. Let 'em stay if they can benefit the economy. But don't let in asylum seekers or other sponger-grifters.

- LBF

i'd just go with the canadian or australian points system. seems to work well in both countries.
seems to be fair, allows the folks with skills in, and keeps the dodgy fuckers out.

[starchaser]

on immigration - the question i always ask on other boards - to the "multi cultist" let them all in crowd - is a simple basic question..

would YOU let someone live in YOUR HOUSE, if you knew that they had killed their mother and father in the Congo civil war?

i never get an answer. which says a lot. a lot of these African immigrants are fucked up - they are fleeing from something. which is the whole point as to why they are here in the first place.

if we dont offer them counselling and support , we're just going to fuck up both ourselves and them. have google or wiki search on "congo wars" and you'll get a feel for what i'm on about.

[Professor Piehead]

on immigration - the question i always ask on other boards - to the "multi cultist" let them all in crowd - is a simple basic question..

would YOU let someone live in YOUR HOUSE, if you knew that they had killed their mother and father in the Congo civil war?

i never get an answer. which says a lot. a lot of these African immigrants are fucked up - they are fleeing from something. which is the whole point as to why they are here in the first place.

if we dont offer them counselling and support , we're just going to fuck up both ourselves and them. have google or wiki search on "congo wars" and you'll get a feel for what i'm on about.


Have a look at Malmo if you want to see what a balls up Frank and the other limpwristers 'sure let them all come' policy leads to.

Another point, any immigrant/asylum seeker who commits a crime should be deported back to their country of origin after completion of sentence.

[Professor Piehead]

- Explain, please. Is it because I don't drink the Cool Aid? Is it because I'm not a flake? Is it because I don't believe the world can be a safe place without a large portion of its population being subdued or neutralized? Is it because I don't believe abortion has anything to do with 'a woman's body'? Is it because I don't want our country slowly and openly invaded by people who want to subdue us? Is it because I believe in heritage and tradition? Is it because I don't believe everyone should be slyly and subtly coerced into believing what you believe? Is it because I believe Ireland should have nothing to do with the EU outside of trade agreements? Is it because I believe we're better suited to a North Atlantic alliance of America, Britain, Canada, and though interrupted by sea and land, our Antipodean cousins, and not people whose language we don't even speak and with whom we have few cultural connections?

Please, tell me.

- LBF

I nearly forgot, good post.

[starchaser]

I nearly forgot, good post.

he needs to move to america.

i'm feeling as lost as that fella as well. and america is the answer.

let the EU go to hell and all that.

[starchaser]

Have a look at Malmo if you want to see what a balls up Frank and the other limpwristers 'sure let them all come' policy leads to.

Another point, any immigrant/asylum seeker who commits a crime should be deported back to their country of origin after completion of sentence.

damn right.

dont start me on malmo.

i've been reading about that over the past 3 or 4 years on other boards.
needless to say - its out there if you have a braincell and want to look it up.

[starchaser]

Have a look at Malmo if you want to see what a balls up Frank and the other limpwristers 'sure let them all come' policy leads to.

Another point, any immigrant/asylum seeker who commits a crime should be deported back to their country of origin after completion of sentence.


how about:

"Another point, any immigrant/asylum seeker who commits a crime should be executed"

too harsh?

[Professor Piehead]

how about:

"Another point, any immigrant/asylum seeker who commits a crime should be executed"

too harsh?

I'm against capital punishment, life on a penal colony would do.

[starchaser]

well, south georgia island, next to the falklands seems to be somewhat unused?

or kergulen island?

fair point. would be hell on earth. enough of a detterant.

[Professor Piehead]

well, south georgia island, next to the falklands seems to be somewhat unused?

or kergulen island?

fair point. would be hell on earth. enough of a detterant.

Mayor of Grytviken has a ring to it, do you want the job of kamp komandant?

[starchaser]

when it gets that far, i'm reminded of this video

i hope we wont reach that far.


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[Proinsias]

i'd just go with the canadian or australian points system. seems to work well in both countries.
seems to be fair, allows the folks with skills in, and keeps the dodgy fuckers out.They both have very easily controllable borders, australia cause it's an isolated continent and Canada cause the USA acts as a buffer.

on immigration - the question i always ask on other boards - to the "multi cultist" let them all in crowd - is a simple basic question..

would YOU let someone live in YOUR HOUSE, if you knew that they had killed their mother and father in the Congo civil war?

i never get an answer. which says a lot. a lot of these African immigrants are fucked up - they are fleeing from something. which is the whole point as to why they are here in the first place.

if we dont offer them counselling and support , we're just going to fuck up both ourselves and them. have google or wiki search on "congo wars" and you'll get a feel for what i'm on about.
I know well about the wars in that region.

It's a straw man argument, you don't see lads taking a machete to whoever they want to on the street.Have a look at Malmo if you want to see what a balls up Frank and the other limpwristers 'sure let them all come' policy leads to.

Another point, any immigrant/asylum seeker who commits a crime should be deported back to their country of origin after completion of sentence.Please seperate out asylum seeker and immigrant, they're very, very different things.

Tell me, what are Malmo's problems? I'm not familiar with the case.
he needs to move to america.

i'm feeling as lost as that fella as well. and america is the answer.

let the EU go to hell and all that.

I've lived in America before, thanks for the suggestion though.

Was interesting watching the cops chase a guy down the street who had just stabbed someone to death.
Didn't like the fact that the angry American lad in our house was armed to the teeth (he even showed me his gun collection once, which was nice), to "protect" himself.

I'll avoid going back if I can.

[Professor Piehead]

They both have very easily controllable borders, australia cause it's an isolated continent and Canada cause the USA acts as a buffer.


I know well about the wars in that region.

It's a straw man argument, you don't see lads taking a machete to whoever they want to on the street.Please seperate out asylum seeker and immigrant, they're very, very different things.

Tell me, what are Malmo's problems? I'm not familiar with the case.


I've lived in America before, thanks for the suggestion though.

Was interesting watching the cops chase a guy down the street who had just stabbed someone to death.
Didn't like the fact that the angry American lad in our house was armed to the teeth (he even showed me his gun collection once, which was nice), to "protect" himself.

I'll avoid going back if I can.

I did seperate them, with a forward slash.

Google 'Malmo' 'immigration' 'problem'.

[Actin The Sham]

- No, I don't see a problem with that attitude. What's the problem with it? And the irony? You think we owe a debt of some kind? To Poles, to Nigerians? What a quaint, nostalgic worldview you hold.

- LBF


We don't owe anything to anyone. However, Polish people are entitled to live here, as we are entitled to live in Poland.

Nigeria is a different matter.

[Proinsias]

I did seperate them, with a forward slash.

Google 'Malmo' 'immigration' 'problem'.

Done:
"I speak Swedish, Arabic, Kurdish, Persian and English with my friends," says Ammar Mamand, a 12-year-old Kurdish boy living in Malmo, southern Sweden.

"But in class it's only Swedish and English."

The city of 270,000 has a diversity of cultures unlike any other in Sweden - 34% of its inhabitants have a foreign background. Many came from the former Yugoslavia, followed more recently by Iraqis and Somalis. Increasing numbers of Danes are also moving to Malmo.

Sweden has opted for multiculturalism, rejecting the assimilation model of neighbouring Denmark, which has one of Europe's toughest policies on immigration.

Almost 12% of Sweden's nine million people were born abroad - a high percentage compared with other countries in Western Europe and a significant block of voters in Sunday's general election.

Immigration has not figured prominently in the election campaign, as the main parties focused on jobs.

The two issues are related, however, as many immigrants will be hoping that the next Swedish government delivers more jobs. The official unemployment rate is nearly 6% - but the opposition claims it is higher.

Struggle for jobs

Sweden's traditional tolerance, neutrality and generous welfare may appear attractive to many newcomers. But the language is a big hurdle for most and in Malmo the unemployment rate among immigrants is much higher than the national average.

Class at Borgarskola, Malmo
Many students at Malmo's schools are of foreign origin
"Fighting discrimination is difficult because it's a matter of mentality and attitudes are slow to change," says Iranian-born Parwin Carami, integration co-ordinator for Malmo.

In recent years the nationalist Sweden Democrats party - which wants an ethnically homogenous Sweden - has boosted its electoral support.

It won 1.4% in the 2002 election, making it the largest party not to win a seat in the Riksdag (parliament). At the same time, it boosted its municipal council seats from eight to 49.

Sweden's experience of immigration differs greatly from that of the UK or France, where large-scale immigration started earlier and new arrivals usually came from former colonies, speaking the host language.

Malmo map

Malmo suffered a sharp economic downturn in the mid-1990s, coinciding with high immigration. That meant that rapidly "unemployment got an ethnic dimension," the city's mayor Ilmar Reepalu says.

Some 3,000 immigrants come to Malmo each year, but the city only has housing for about 1,500, he told BBC News.

Overcrowding

The Rosengard area of the city is where many new arrivals go first.

Mayor Reepalu says overcrowding is a problem because many asylum seekers choose to live with friends or relatives.

Sociologist Aje Carlbom warns that such "enclavisation" provides fertile ground for Islamists and "Swedish society doesn't understand what's going on because of the climate of tolerance".

Bosnian folk group at Islamic Centre, Malmo
A Bosnian folk group: The Islamic Centre says it welcomes all Muslims
Despite high unemployment in Rosengard, some enterprising individuals have made a real difference.

Ammar Mamand goes to school at the Islamic Centre in Rosengard, whose founder, Bejzat Becirov from Macedonia, takes pride in fostering openness and independence. He insists that no Muslim group is allowed to impose its agenda on the Centre.

Built in 1983, the Centre's focal point is the mosque, funded by the local community.

Most of the Centre was burnt down in a mysterious fire one night in 2003. Some fire damage is still visible in the rebuilt prayer hall.

But the Centre has recovered, providing education and other services for immigrant families.

Role models

Another pillar of the Rosengard community is Diabate Dialy Mory from Senegal - nicknamed "Dallas".

He arrived in Sweden in 1964, when there were just a few Africans in Malmo.

Community worker Diabate Dialy Mory
"Dallas" has made his mark as a social worker in Malmo
For decades he has run a boxing club - a magnet for immigrant boys, many of whom are struggling to settle into Swedish society.

"Some of them arrive without parents, they don't speak the language, they're outside society," he told BBC News.

"When they start boxing here, with us as brothers and sisters, they start to act differently, they start to understand that they are someone and that someone cares about them."

He has made it a rule that only Swedish is spoken at the club.

Swedish football star Zlatan Ibrahimovic - whose parents came from former Yugoslavia - is a hero for many immigrant boys in Rosengard.

Other success stories among the immigrant community include top chef Marcus Samuelsson, born in Ethiopia, and Lebanese-born film director Josef Fares.

Mayor Reepalu notes that Sweden has toughened anti-discrimination laws and is working to validate foreign qualifications. He also stresses that the demography of immigration is positive for Malmo.

"While the load of its ageing population is weighing down Sweden, our city has a young population that is in itself an investment in future welfare," he says.

[Professor Piehead]

Done:
"I speak Swedish, Arabic, Kurdish, Persian and English with my friends," says Ammar Mamand, a 12-year-old Kurdish boy living in Malmo, southern Sweden.

"But in class it's only Swedish and English."

The city of 270,000 has a diversity of cultures unlike any other in Sweden - 34% of its inhabitants have a foreign background. Many came from the former Yugoslavia, followed more recently by Iraqis and Somalis. Increasing numbers of Danes are also moving to Malmo.

Sweden has opted for multiculturalism, rejecting the assimilation model of neighbouring Denmark, which has one of Europe's toughest policies on immigration.

Almost 12% of Sweden's nine million people were born abroad - a high percentage compared with other countries in Western Europe and a significant block of voters in Sunday's general election.

Immigration has not figured prominently in the election campaign, as the main parties focused on jobs.

The two issues are related, however, as many immigrants will be hoping that the next Swedish government delivers more jobs. The official unemployment rate is nearly 6% - but the opposition claims it is higher.

Struggle for jobs

Sweden's traditional tolerance, neutrality and generous welfare may appear attractive to many newcomers. But the language is a big hurdle for most and in Malmo the unemployment rate among immigrants is much higher than the national average.

Class at Borgarskola, Malmo
Many students at Malmo's schools are of foreign origin
"Fighting discrimination is difficult because it's a matter of mentality and attitudes are slow to change," says Iranian-born Parwin Carami, integration co-ordinator for Malmo.

In recent years the nationalist Sweden Democrats party - which wants an ethnically homogenous Sweden - has boosted its electoral support.

It won 1.4% in the 2002 election, making it the largest party not to win a seat in the Riksdag (parliament). At the same time, it boosted its municipal council seats from eight to 49.

Sweden's experience of immigration differs greatly from that of the UK or France, where large-scale immigration started earlier and new arrivals usually came from former colonies, speaking the host language.

Malmo map

Malmo suffered a sharp economic downturn in the mid-1990s, coinciding with high immigration. That meant that rapidly "unemployment got an ethnic dimension," the city's mayor Ilmar Reepalu says.

Some 3,000 immigrants come to Malmo each year, but the city only has housing for about 1,500, he told BBC News.

Overcrowding

The Rosengard area of the city is where many new arrivals go first.

Mayor Reepalu says overcrowding is a problem because many asylum seekers choose to live with friends or relatives.

Sociologist Aje Carlbom warns that such "enclavisation" provides fertile ground for Islamists and "Swedish society doesn't understand what's going on because of the climate of tolerance".

Bosnian folk group at Islamic Centre, Malmo
A Bosnian folk group: The Islamic Centre says it welcomes all Muslims
Despite high unemployment in Rosengard, some enterprising individuals have made a real difference.

Ammar Mamand goes to school at the Islamic Centre in Rosengard, whose founder, Bejzat Becirov from Macedonia, takes pride in fostering openness and independence. He insists that no Muslim group is allowed to impose its agenda on the Centre.

Built in 1983, the Centre's focal point is the mosque, funded by the local community.

Most of the Centre was burnt down in a mysterious fire one night in 2003. Some fire damage is still visible in the rebuilt prayer hall.

But the Centre has recovered, providing education and other services for immigrant families.

Role models

Another pillar of the Rosengard community is Diabate Dialy Mory from Senegal - nicknamed "Dallas".

He arrived in Sweden in 1964, when there were just a few Africans in Malmo.

Community worker Diabate Dialy Mory
"Dallas" has made his mark as a social worker in Malmo
For decades he has run a boxing club - a magnet for immigrant boys, many of whom are struggling to settle into Swedish society.

"Some of them arrive without parents, they don't speak the language, they're outside society," he told BBC News.

"When they start boxing here, with us as brothers and sisters, they start to act differently, they start to understand that they are someone and that someone cares about them."

He has made it a rule that only Swedish is spoken at the club.

Swedish football star Zlatan Ibrahimovic - whose parents came from former Yugoslavia - is a hero for many immigrant boys in Rosengard.

Other success stories among the immigrant community include top chef Marcus Samuelsson, born in Ethiopia, and Lebanese-born film director Josef Fares.

Mayor Reepalu notes that Sweden has toughened anti-discrimination laws and is working to validate foreign qualifications. He also stresses that the demography of immigration is positive for Malmo.

"While the load of its ageing population is weighing down Sweden, our city has a young population that is in itself an investment in future welfare," he says.

http://www.brusselsjournal. com/node/938

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[Actin The Sham]

Isn't it funny that some of the most vociferous critics of our immigration policy are themselves immigrants?

Or the sons of immigrants, like Leo Varadkar?

Live and let live is what I say, and I would also point out that we have a large number of our own homegrown people living in this country who have never paid taxes and have been collecting social welfare payments all their lives. Should we "get rid" of all them too?

[Proinsias]

isn't it funny that some of the most vociferous critics of our immigration policy are themselves immigrants?

Or the sons of immigrants, like leo varadkar?

Live and let live is what i say, and i would also point out that we have a large number of our own homegrown people living in this country who have never paid taxes and have been collecting social welfare payments all their lives. Should we "get rid" of all them too?

Burn them!!

[Professor Piehead]

Isn't it funny that some of the most vociferous critics of our immigration policy are themselves immigrants?

Or the sons of immigrants, like Leo Varadkar?

Live and let live is what I say, and I would also point out that we have a large number of our own homegrown people living in this country who have never paid taxes and have been collecting social welfare payments all their lives. Should we "get rid" of all them too?

Maybe he has a better knowledge of it than the rest of us, fair play to him for having the balls to even suggest something different to the current situation.

Social welfare certainly requires reform.

[Proinsias]

- Yeah, I'm planning on moving to Poland, what with the job opportunities and booming economy.

- LBF

Indeed.

You in the construction sector? There's shitloads of jobs over there, what with the major EU infrastructure projects.

[Proinsias]

- Unfortunately, no. But if I was, I still wouldn't go. Have you seen the state of the place?

- LBF

Sure I have, I could definitely live in Krakow.

In fact, I'd prefer to live there than many, many parts of Ireland.

[Actin The Sham]

- I compare that whole argument to the sinking scene in Titanic. Remember when a group of people make it on to an upturned boat and have to fight off the others who want to get on and be saved? Are you really suggesting those on the boat should give a damn about those in the water? They shouldn't. I would have been the first to start cracking heads with the oar.

- LBF

They should.

[Proinsias]

- Yeah, and certain parts of Nigeria are great to live in. The rich parts. Any Pole who tells the truth will tell you that the average person in Poland guards their money like a hydra. The economy is that bad.

- LBF

Growth of 7% last year and an unemployment rate of 9.4% down from almost 20% when they joined the EU and 11.5% in feb tells me things are getting better.

Some predict it could be 8.5% at the end of this year. If that trend continues, the Irish and polish rates could cross as early as next year.

http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2008/08/26/afx5357141.html


Incidentally, have a cousin that was working in Nigeria until 2 years ago and loved it, said he would go back n all.

[Proinsias]

- So the EU has benefited poorer countries. 'Poorer Countries Get Beneficial EU Projects Shocker'. But what do the poorer countries give back? A work force? Most Poles I know send their money back home. I know one guy who's staying.

- LBF

I dunno, how much is Ireland going to give to the EU this year?


Poland is what, 10 times more populous than Ireland? Ok then, multiply Ireland's contribution this year by 10 and that's how much Poland could be worth to the EU budget in 10-15 years time.
Few billion.

Oh and a nice big, rich country that has a strong cultural and soon to be historic link with Ireland.

"Ireland? Oh yeah, half my family were over there at one stage and still have a few cousins there. Lovely place, nice people."

Or:

"Ireland? Filled with a bunch of xenophobic cunts who couldn't wait to shove me out of their country given half a chance. Nasty little shithole"

[Proinsias]

- I'm not saying Ireland is this capital behemoth. It's just a Hell of a lot better than other places in the EU, and as such, while we'll benefit from the EU in the short-term, their whole philosophy is ripe for exploitation.

- LBF

It's a backwater compared to many parts of the EU too.

In some ways, it's valid to look at the EU as a single economy so saying Poland is undeveloped is the same as complaining that Limerick is undeveloped and thus will never be of benefit.

Poland are currently experiencing a big inflow of workers from Ireland and the UK as the economies in those countries go south. These lads are well educated and generally with pretty good English.

It's the equivalent of the Irish coming back from Germany in the 90s.

Incidentally, in theory, the Germans should have to open up to the eastern workers by the end of next year. Wonder if that happens.

[Actin The Sham]

- With that attitude, you'd be offering your seat on the lifeboats to the captain's cat.

- LBF

WUMTASTIC!!


Fair play to you for playing the "xenophobic troll" part to perfection though.


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