Can Cork Beat Kerry In The Semi ?

[Top Dog]

Have we got any chance of beating Kerry in the All Ireland football Semi Final ? going by our performance against Kildare in the Quarter Final we have not got a hope in hell of beating Kerry

[Rebelred]

can they - yes

will they - maybe

[delzer]

maybe they have the talent but its the mental thing of playing kerry at croke park will affect them.

[west cork rebel]

Going on our comeback in the Munster Final against them, anything is possible, but like delzer said we be like cats in the headlights playing against the Kingdom in Croker.

[Top Dog]

maybe they have the talent but its the mental thing of playing kerry at croke park will affect them.

If they are to have any hope of beating Kerry they must get their hand passing game right or Kerry will murder us the same as they done in the final last year

[shammy feen]

Kerry will win comfortably.

[Top Dog]

After reading this articule it might not be all gloom and doom

http://www.irishexaminer.co m/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=GAA-qqqa=sport-qqqid=69608-qqqx=1.asp

[Rebelred]

On our day we can beat them. They have some excellent players, particularly in their half forwards and half backs, but if we can get our noses in front and keep putting pressure on them, without making mistakes ourselves, then we will have every chance of winning. They'll never get the soft goals they got last year again.

[Top Dog]

On our day we can beat them. They have some excellent players, particularly in their half forwards and half backs, but if we can get our noses in front and keep putting pressure on them, without making mistakes ourselves, then we will have every chance of winning. They'll never get the soft goals they got last year again.

Well Kildare scored one goal against us and came very near to scoring a few more who can say that Kerry will not score more goals than Kildare did

[delzer]

If they are to have any hope of beating Kerry they must get their hand passing game right or Kerry will murder us the same as they done in the final last year

true they also need to concentrate on playing their own game and sticking to their own game plan.

they always get drawn into scrappy physical encounters by kerry which suits them.

[Rebelred]

Well Kildare scored one goal against us and came very near to scoring a few more who can say that Kerry will not score more goals than Kildare did

they won't get three goals on a plate. They did last year. Served up to them, the kind of goals only seen at underage level.
I can't see the team being able to switch off like they did last week. The Kildare game will stand to us,maybe not as much as the two games they've had, but it will certainly help focus the minds. Duggan had a good Munster final but looked at sea last week, Shields isn't ready to be thrown back in but Kavanagh was excellent at full back while Lynch had his best game in years.
It's not all doom n gloom lads.
Sure there's always the worry we'll get another pasting Sunday week, but it can't do anymore damage than any of the previous ones, so the lads just have to throw off the shackles and go out and play.

[Univibe]

We are in with a chance once Quirke stays in his goal, the Kerry ful-back line is dodgy and we have the forwards to do the business this year, last years humiliation should spur them on to do it

[Youghal Exile]

If we can take over midfield we can do it.

[legend76]

yes they can

[BostonRebel]

God I fucking hope so. After enduring that farce last year in the company of a few gloating Kerry people over here, we cannot do that again.

It'll be closer anyhow, if they have any bit of pride at all. And they can beat them but every man will have to raise their game because when those fuckers see Croke Park they take it up several notches.

[redrebel]

If we can take over midfield we can do it.


that's were the game will be won & lost... I wouldnt fancy Nick Murphy playing, rather have O'neill up against O'Se..

Last year's final is the ONLY motivational factor they need.

[Rebelred]

that's were the game will be won & lost... I wouldnt fancy Nick Murphy playing, rather have O'neill up against O'Se..

Last year's final is the ONLY motivational factor they need.

our half forward line need to get well on top aswell, if they bomb forward from half back we'll be in trouble. Declan O'Sullivan will be influential aswell.

[RonnyB]

Yes we can. However I think we'll come up a bit short.

Reasons for IMO.

- The Cork footballers have a massive point to prove. No matter what was said in the aftermath of last years final no one felt more let down than the players themselves. We saw in the Munster final after a terrible 1st half how the players played for their pride. I dont think many expected to actually win it by 5 points though.

-Michael Cussen. Kerry's weakest link is their full back line. Theres alot of talk of Daniel Bohane going in at full back but despite his impressive showing last week he has very little championship experiance. Cussen is still taller & always does well against Kerry.

- Canty & Murphy being back. Huge players for this Cork team. Question is who'll miss out? For me despite doing well last week it has to be Alan O'Connor. Canty may revert back to the full back line to stop Donaghy or Walsh. Personally I'd let Kavanagh back there & let them think about having Canty, Murphy & O'Neill under kick outs. Even if it means Canty on the 40. Stranger things have happened.

- Kerry cant keep beating us up there forever. Like the Munster Final I'll be looking for it to rain as much as possible to even it up a little bit.

The reasons against are the obvious ones.

[Lapsy Pa]

If it was played anywhere else i'd be well confident.

Might sound crazy given what he did in the Munster final but i'd play Cussen midfield to negate that ape. Meehan gave osullivan and o se a roasting the last day hopefully Hayes could do a similar job for Cork.

Cant get dragged down to the level of those scuts. Whatever about cooper and donaghy, Declan osullivan is on fire and will take alot of watching.

Wouldn't read too much into the Cill Dara game once they went 2-3 up it was game over and they took their foot off the pedal.

If they win half the kick outs, stop messing around with the ball at the back and let the fucking ball in first time they have a chance.

Defeat doesn't bear thinking about after last sundays heartache but if they display a ounce of the heart that Diarmuid O'Sullivan has for the Blood and Bandages then they wont be far off.

[bigboyfoolish]

Kerry will win comfortably.
I'm not so sure.

We have nothing to lose.
All pressure will be on them again..

[bigboyfoolish]

Midfield is crucial.

Breaking ball likewise.
We need to cut off supply into Kerry forwards.

Quirke
Duggan Kavanagh Lynch
O'Regan Spillane K O'Connor
Pearse and Canty
N Murphy Goold D O'Connor
Goulding Cussen Hayes

That leaves you with Shields, Noel O'Leary, Masters, Kissane, A O'Connor, Miskella on the bench.

Not bad!

[diar2me]

I think that we have every chance. If we play to the top of our ability we can take them and to be honest The Munster Final should have somewhat sorted the mental aspect. I will be heading up anyway as I seem to be a good luck charm to the footballers. The last 4/5 Cork v Kerry matches I have attended we have won. Here's to keeping that luck goin!

[bigboyfoolish]

You must not have been at the last 4 or 5 matches
between Cork and Kerry in Croker.

This will be my fourth semi final involving Cork and Kerry.
Lost em all!
And that's not to mention last year's heartbreaker..

I think we have a chance.

We're certainly not going up there to make up numbers!

[diar2me]

You must not have been at the last 4 or 5 matches
between Cork and Kerry in Croker.

This will be my fourth semi final involving Cork and Kerry.
Lost em all!
And that's not to mention last year's heartbreaker..

I think we have a chance.

We're certainly not going up there to make up numbers!

No, the last few Munster finals, didn't go every year but the last four out of five we have won. It goes back a good few years in total and I am counting replays and original games as one game. With practically a full team to choose from I am confident.

[Redshirter]

If Cork play the right game they have a very good chance of beating Kerry if they do not they have no chance of beating Kerry

The right game plan is play the kicking game instead of the passing game that is play high balls in to the full forward line and Cussen in particuliar and it should cause Kerry all sorts of problems in that department Galway done it in the QF and they caused Kerry all sorts of problems because the Kerry full back line is their weakest link and their goalkeeper is dodgy when he has to leave his line

[diar2me]

If Cork play the right game they have a very good chance of beating Kerry if they do not they have no chance of beating Kerry

The right game plan is play the kicking game instead of the passing game that is play high balls in to the full forward line and Cussen in particuliar and it should cause Kerry all sorts of problems in that department Galway done it in the QF and they caused Kerry all sorts of problems because the Kerry full back line is their weakest link and their goalkeeper is dodgy when he has to leave his line

Ya Diarmuid Murphy is having a nightmare the last few games. We should capitalise on that. Desperate keeping against both us and Galway. He is very dodgy on the high ball into the full forward line so no better boy that Cussen to be under that.

[Redshirter]

Ya Diarmuid Murphy is having a nightmare the last few games. We should capitalise on that. Desperate keeping against both us and Galway. He is very dodgy on the high ball into the full forward line so no better boy that Cussen to be under that.


Ya but will we catitalise and exploit that weakness not if we play the wrong game plan

[Glenagow]

Every time Kerry beat Cork in Croke Park it amazes me the amount of space they are allowed create for themselves. Especially in 2002 and 2005 the full-back line had no chance because there was 40 yards of space in front of them.
Cork can beat Kerry in Croke Park and someday they will. At half time in the Munster Final they were playing for more than their pride, they weren playing for the future of Cork Football. Another hiding would have had incredible ramifications. Three of Cork's better players in the first half that day were Duggan, Hayes and O'Regan. None of whom had any baggage from previous outings.
They can't give the Kerry lads acres of space or there will only be one result. I wouldn't start Pierce O'Neill on Dearg O Se either. I'd move him onto him after 10 mins. Let him play himself into the game before Dara tries to kill him. If we can limit the effectivness of Donaghy, O'Sullivan and the O Se's we've a good chance. I think we're stronger than we were last year and their full-back line is still dodgy enough to give us hope. They miss Galvin hugely as well.
Just getting close to them in Croke Park will be progress. Trying not to let myself dream too much on this one. But they certainly can beat them

[Joey Joe Joe]

I'm not so sure.

We have nothing to lose.
All pressure will be on them again..

The way they like it

[Rebelred]

Every time Kerry beat Cork in Croke Park it amazes me the amount of space they are allowed create for themselves. Especially in 2002 and 2005 the full-back line had no chance because there was 40 yards of space in front of them.
Cork can beat Kerry in Croke Park and someday they will. At half time in the Munster Final they were playing for more than their pride, they weren playing for the future of Cork Football. Another hiding would have had incredible ramifications. Three of Cork's better players in the first half that day were Duggan, Hayes and O'Regan. None of whom had any baggage from previous outings.
They can't give the Kerry lads acres of space or there will only be one result. I wouldn't start Pierce O'Neill on Dearg O Se either. I'd move him onto him after 10 mins. Let him play himself into the game before Dara tries to kill him. If we can limit the effectivness of Donaghy, O'Sullivan and the O Se's we've a good chance. I think we're stronger than we were last year and their full-back line is still dodgy enough to give us hope. They miss Galvin hugely as well.
Just getting close to them in Croke Park will be progress. Trying not to let myself dream too much on this one. But they certainly can beat them
it's a fair enough assessment. I don't think anybody is silly enough to expect us to go and simply beat Kerry easily. It's going to be a huge ask and we'll need alot of things to go right for us. Our Half forward line and midfield are going to need huge games.

[mushypea]

FYI

tickets are on tickemaster now....

[Glenagow]

it's a fair enough assessment. I don't think anybody is silly enough to expect us to go and simply beat Kerry easily. It's going to be a huge ask and we'll need alot of things to go right for us. Our Half forward line and midfield are going to need huge games.

Dead right. Waterford broke through the mental barrier yesterday

Please God it'll be our turn to do likewise Sunday :D

[Redshirter]

From what i have heard Kerry believe that they have the game won already all they have got to do is turn up in Croke Park on Sunday

[Annie Hall]

From what i have heard Kerry believe that they have the game won already all they have got to do is turn up in Croke Park on Sunday

I'd say that's pretty much Kerry folk winding you up again. Listen, most people in the Kingdom are giving Cork a great chance on Sunday. Since Counihan took over, there's a real conviction to this Cork side (as they showed in the 2nd half of the Munster Final). Granted, they fell asleep later on in the game against Kildare. As Kerry has learned in the past, complacency won't get you anywhere. When the Cork players and management reviewed that tape, they were probably disgusted with themselves that they let Kildare back into a game they should have won by 10 points. As I've said before, I think midfield is they key. And judging by our game v Galway, I'd be very worried about our aerial adequacy. Granted, the weather was atrocious but Kerry won a lot of ball around the middle due to Galway giving the ball away such were the dire conditions. This would be my Kerry team to start against Cork:

D. Murphy;
Marc Ó Sé, Daniel Bohane, Tom O'Sullivan;
Tomás Ó Sé, Aidan O'Mahony, Killian Young;
Darragh Ó Sé, Tommy Griffin;
Tommy Walsh, Declan O'Sullivan, Donnacha Walsh;
Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy, Bryan Sheehan.

I'd see Tommy Walsh playing around the middle for this game. He's great in the air and, for someone I see as a front-runner to replace Darragh, this would be a brilliant test for him. Gooch has some stamina and he'll roam all over the place in this game. Although Anthony Lynch had a great game the other day, I can't see him lasting the pace one on one with him. I reckon Cork will also man-mark Declan O'Sullivan. Who do you see doing that job? So, with Declan, Cooper and Donaghy most probably being man-marked inside, the way is paved for The Defence Forces (our half-back line) to move nicely forward and feed the likes of Donnacha and Bryan Sheehan with Gooch and Declan being used as decoys all over the shop.

I reckon it'll be a tight game. There's no way it'll be a repeat of last September. Kerry by three points.

[mushypea]

current odds with Paddy Power

Kerry 2/5
Cork 11/4.

[ho chi feen]

current odds with Paddy Power

Kerry 2/5
Cork 11/4.

Some odds there.

To answer the question- Can they? Of course. Will they? Doubtful.

[Rebelred]

current odds with Paddy Power

Kerry 2/5
Cork 11/4.

slightly shorter than the 3/1 they were pre munster final

[mushypea]

well I backed them again.....haven't let me down yet

[redrebel]

Annie, most people in the Kingdom are giving Cork a great chance on Sunday. aaaammmm No there not.... they think quite rightly I suppose that Cork won't show up again, and they have half an eye on playing Tyrone in the final. I remember Keery going into a SemiF against meath I think it was 2001 ?? as overwhelming favourites, and they got destroyed..

As I've said before, I think midfield is they key. Agreed...but like someone said earlier here, I wouldnt Start Pierce O'Neill on Dara... Dara will be like a man pocessed out to prove he's top dog...and make up for the MF. I reckon move O'Neill on him after 10/15.. he's no Nicholas Murphy ... he won't back down... and I think he'll take Dara to the cleaners // I agree I think Kerry will try to cluter the midfield with tommy Walsh in there.. I think Cork will deploy one jumper per kick out and feed off the breaking ball. but with no Galvin, Cork will try to move the ball quickly up to Cussen & Hayes... you don't have to worry about Gooch & Star if the ball doesnt get to them...if Donaghy is moved back down the field ..things will be looking good for Cork.



Overall I am quietly confident to next Sunday, with Counihan as manager I beleive we have someone who won't fear Kerry.. and that will rub off on the team... I think its a East Cork thing...

I believe all the talk next MONDAY will be should [ Diarmuid Murphy , dara & Marc O'Shea retire ...they all have a lot of miles on the clock now....

If Declan O'Sullivan has an off day... I dont see where Kerry will hurt us.

[Annie Hall]

Annie, most people in the Kingdom are giving Cork a great chance on Sunday. aaaammmm No there not.... they think quite rightly I suppose that Cork won't show up again, and they have half an eye on playing Tyrone in the final. I remember Keery going into a SemiF against meath I think it was 2001 ?? as overwhelming favourites, and they got destroyed..

As I've said before, I think midfield is they key. Agreed...but like someone said earlier here, I wouldnt Start Pierce O'Neill on Dara... Dara will be like a man pocessed out to prove he's top dog...and make up for the MF. I reckon move O'Neill on him after 10/15.. he's no Nicholas Murphy ... he won't back down... and I think he'll take Dara to the cleaners // I agree I think Kerry will try to cluter the midfield with tommy Walsh in there.. I think Cork will deploy one jumper per kick out and feed off the breaking ball. but with no Galvin, Cork will try to move the ball quickly up to Cussen & Hayes... you don't have to worry about Gooch & Star if the ball doesnt get to them...if Donaghy is moved back down the field ..things will be looking good for Cork.



Overall I am quietly confident to next Sunday, with Counihan as manager I beleive we have someone who won't fear Kerry.. and that will rub off on the team... I think its a East Cork thing...

I believe all the talk next MONDAY will be should [ Diarmuid Murphy , dara & Marc O'Shea retire ...they all have a lot of miles on the clock now....

If Declan O'Sullivan has an off day... I dont see where Kerry will hurt us.

Tomás, you mean. Win or lose Sam this year you can probably add Tom O'Sullivan, Tommy Griffin and Eoin Brosnan to that list.

[Langer Dan]

Gonna be in Manchester for the game, can't be helped.
Last year's final was truly heartbreaking and things can't go as badly for us again, they simply can't.

I'v been impressed with Sean O'Brien this year , he's no scorer but he's been winning an awful lot of breaking ball around midfield this year. The breaks around midfield have been killing us against Kerry the last few years, they've come away with posession and have hurt us badly on the scoreboard.

I'd have Murphy and O'Neill in midfield and have O'Brien cleaning up the scraps, thats the key to winning this game.

Masters is due a big game and hopefully this will be it.

[smellycat1]

Can they? Yes
Will they? Nope

[Shandon Bell]

Can they? Yes
Will they? Nope

Are you still here?! You can't get enough of the blood and bandage can you?;)

[Rebelred]

Just saw this on Rebelgaa:


The red luas line will be closed from Tallaght to Blackhorse all day Saturday and Sunday (23rd and 24th of August). The luas will run from Blackhorse to Abbey Street with buses operating between Tallaght and Blackhorse. The red cow car park will be closed. Anyone driving to Dublin and planning on using the Luas should make alternative plans.

http://www.luas.ie/news.php

[Rebelred]

http://www.irishexaminer.co m/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=GAA-qqqa=sport-qqqid=70139-qqqx=1.asp

GRAHAM CANTY and Nicholas Murphy remain the primary injury worries for Cork ahead of their All-Ireland semi-final clash with Kerry in Croke Park on Sunday.


Both players watched Cork’s quarter-final success over Kildare from the sidelines, with Canty suffering from a medial ligament strain and Murphy battling a hamstring problem. The pair have had their training involvement curtailed since the Kildare tie resulting in the question marks over whether they will be able to participate in next Sunday’s game.

Cork’s management name their starting XV tonight, with Canty and Murphy both resumed training on Sunday morning.

Said selector Ger O’Sullivan: “Graham was back jogging last week and was kicking ball on Sunday. The decision to be made now in his case is whether or not to start him next Sunday.

‘‘My own preference would be to play him from the start and see how far he can go. He may well last the entire match. It would be a real downer if we brought him on as a sub and had to be taken off again. In the case of Nicholas, he is looking good, but again you don’t know how the hamstring will stand up until he tests it in a match situation.

“Of the two Graham is the more serious in the sense that while he is back training, his injury is one which may not last the 70 minutes.

“Apart from Paudie Kissane who has no chance of playing, all the other injuries have cleared up which is a big boost for everyone. It gives the selectors something of a dilemma when we sit down to pick the starting XV.”

Canty accepts that he has missed a lot of football since the Munster final. “I was close enough to playing against

Kildare, nearly there but it just wasn’t good enough,’’ he said. “If you’re not 100% to take the field for Cork you’re no good to anyone, if you’re 99% and there’s another fella at 100% behind you then he’s always the better option.

“Time is a healer but I don’t know if I’ve enough time. We’ll have to see how it responds when we do a fitness test and see how it reacts.”

Midfielder Murphy is in much the same boat as his captain in terms of his recuperation from injury.

“I haven’t really tested it. It’s one of those injuries that if I test it too soon I’d be gone for the game definitely. I’m doing a decent amount of running. I’ve only done 10-15 minutes though the last number of nights and as regards to a full training session, I haven’t done anything of that sort yet. It’ll be totally in the physio’s hands, I’ll be letting him make the final call on it.

“It happened in training two weeks ago. I was just doing a straight run and it went. It was hard to know how I was fared out before the Kildare game. In the build-up we didn’t know how bad the injury was and it turned out that it wasn’t good enough for the day. We’re just leaving it now for as long as we can. You’d need to be completely right for the semi-final. Obviously I’d love to be there but if it’s not meant to be, it’s not meant to be.”

Murphy believes that if himself and Canty are ruled out of starting berths, that the current Cork squad is more than equipped to cope with such losses.

“There’s definitely more options there than the last few years. We’ve good strength in depth now. That’s down to the players, we’ve stepped it up in training this year and the panel has improved hugely as well. You wouldn’t know who the first XV will be these days.”

Sunday’s match with Kerry brings with it a mass level of familiarity for this Cork squad, marking their eight championship meeting in four years. Murphy is unsure of the benefits of the repeat fixtures.

“It’s not good for the game to an extent. There was the possibility of a Leinster final repeat on the other side as well. Maybe they should look at an open draw in the semi-final. There’s certainly a huge familiarity there.

Sunday’s match represents the latest chance for Cork to reverse the unwelcome trend that has seen them compete vigorously with Kerry in their provincial domain, only to suffer traumatic losses in Croke Park.

“It’s hard to pinpoint where it’s gone wrong for us. The stadium can be a factor as the surroundings are different. But we’ve enough experience of it at this stage so we can’t use that as too much of an excuse.”

[Redshirter]

What happens if Cork beat Kerry without Canty and Murphy on Sunday and their replacements play well and Canty and Murphy are fit for the final will they be selected to play in the final ... it is going to be a tough call for Conor Counihan to make

[Redshirter]

In the poll 30 voters say that we will beat Kerry and 27 say we will not it could also be a very close game

[redrebel]

In the poll 30 voters say that we will beat Kerry and 27 say we will not it could also be a very close game

Someone sholud pass on the Poll results to Conor Counihan...

They should stick them up on the dressing room wall.

[Rebelred]

Unchanged team, Canty and Murphy named on the bench.

CORK (SFC v Kerry): A Quirke; D Duggan, D Kavanagh, A Lynch; B O’Regan, G Spillane, K O’Connor; A O’Connor, P O’Neill; D O’Connor, J Masters, S O’Brien; D Goulding, M Cussen, J Hayes

[Matlock]

Gonna be in Manchester for the game, can't be helped.
.

You are a mighty supporter for any team to have...

;-)

[Rebelred]

You are a mighty supporter for any team to have...

;-)
with this game, I will have missed the last 3 Cork V Kerry games through work or holidays

[Matlock]

with this game, I will have missed the last 3 Cork V Kerry games through work or holidays

Ah, this is part of a longer running battle between myself and LD over his disgraceful attendance record at matches. He doesnt even have a job to use as an excuse like ;-)

[Redshirter]

Unchanged team, Canty and Murphy named on the bench.

CORK (SFC v Kerry): A Quirke; D Duggan, D Kavanagh, A Lynch; B O’Regan, G Spillane, K O’Connor; A O’Connor, P O’Neill; D O’Connor, J Masters, S O’Brien; D Goulding, M Cussen, J Hayes

Always when a player is injured he is not named on the subs bench so why are Canty and Murphy maned as subs on Sunday when they are injured ?

[duffer31]

my heart voted yes

my head voted no.

we will have to play out of our skins and carry nobody. its possible but unlikely. no prseeure on them though so come on the rebels......

[BlackAvon08]

Unchanged team, Canty and Murphy named on the bench.

CORK (SFC v Kerry): A Quirke; D Duggan, D Kavanagh, A Lynch; B O’Regan, G Spillane, K O’Connor; A O’Connor, P O’Neill; D O’Connor, J Masters, S O’Brien; D Goulding, M Cussen, J Hayes

It goes without saying that Canty & Murphy are huge losses.

We need the following to happen:

Backs not to make unforced errors
Backs not to concede silly frees - force them wide, let them take their shots if necessary but DON’T concede “giveme” frees to Brian Sheehan
Midfield to win 60/40
Sean O’Brien is going to have to do a Brian Dooher and win serious breaking ball – he’s got the heart but I have my doubts over his physicality.
Goulding to bring his shooting boots & take his frees
Masters, Hayes & O’Connor to score from play
Someone to get at least one goal!
Cussen to be on form
Subs to come on and make an impact in the 2nd half


I know you could say the same about every game but all of these things need to happen if we are to beat Kerry!

It’s in our own hands – it doesn’t matter about how good Kerry are – if we get our basics right – we will win!

[Langer Dan]

You are a mighty supporter for any team to have...

;-)

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NEVER come looking to me for all Ireland tickets again.....

Bridges. Are . Burnt.

[delzer]

It goes without saying that Canty & Murphy are huge losses.

We need the following to happen:

Backs not to make unforced errors
Backs not to concede silly frees - force them wide, let them take their shots if necessary but DON’T concede “giveme” frees to Brian Sheehan
Midfield to win 60/40
Sean O’Brien is going to have to do a Brian Dooher and win serious breaking ball – he’s got the heart but I have my doubts over his physicality.
Goulding to bring his shooting boots & take his frees
Masters, Hayes & O’Connor to score from play
Someone to get at least one goal!
Cussen to be on form
Subs to come on and make an impact in the 2nd half


I know you could say the same about every game but all of these things need to happen if we are to beat Kerry!

It’s in our own hands – it doesn’t matter about how good Kerry are – if we get our basics right – we will win!

spot on but i think canty and murphy may still start on sunday if they can prove their fitness between now and then

[redrebel]

Good points Black avon.

Backs not to make unforced errors
Backs not to concede silly frees - force them wide, let them take their shots if necessary but DON’T concede “giveme” frees to Brian Sheehan

thats were Kerry have always been cute, never fouling inside their half-back line.. no easy free's..we must do likewise.
I think we will win midfield , and if hayes plays as well again , I reckon the goals will come...If Cussen causes them problems, Id expect they will try differnent backs first, but revert to putting Dara O'Se on him, and that will have a big phsycological impact on them.

The loss of paul galvin will be the talking point come next MONday.

[bigboyfoolish]

If Murphy and Canty make it in time
who plays and then who gets the chop?

Alan O'Connor would probably be Numero Uno
but he played quite well the last day out against Kildare with his man being taken off in the first half..

Tough decisions for Conor C.

Pearse O'Neill is 20-1 to be Man of the Match...
http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_type&category=SPORTS&ev_class_id=67&ev_type_id=2899&ev_oc_grp_ids=7826#l ink_1181946&disp_cat_id=1

[duffer31]

It goes without saying that Canty & Murphy are huge losses.

We need the following to happen:

Backs not to make unforced errors
Backs not to concede silly frees - force them wide, let them take their shots if necessary but DON’T concede “giveme” frees to Brian Sheehan
Midfield to win 60/40
Sean O’Brien is going to have to do a Brian Dooher and win serious breaking ball – he’s got the heart but I have my doubts over his physicality.
Goulding to bring his shooting boots & take his frees
Masters, Hayes & O’Connor to score from play
Someone to get at least one goal!
Cussen to be on form
Subs to come on and make an impact in the 2nd half


I know you could say the same about every game but all of these things need to happen if we are to beat Kerry!

It’s in our own hands – it doesn’t matter about how good Kerry are – if we get our basics right – we will win!

i agree with ya 100% but can ya see all of that happening and you forgot "kerry having a poor day" on your list. tis a tall order but sure fuck um.

[bigboyfoolish]

Well it looks like they're expecting a bumper crowd this weekend..

http://www.hoganstand.com/Cork/ArticleForm.aspx?ID= 99921

Unreal.
I think they'll be lucky if they break 35,000.

I'd nearly go so far as to say it might be the smallest crowd ever at an All Ireland semi final.

Very few of my gang traveling in comparison with two weeks ago and
those that are, are coming up with no great hope.

[redrebel]

well that explains taht...was trying all day to get a ticket for hill, was great craic at the double header... f**king ticketmaster doesnt tell you there not available..
nevertheless I went ahead and booked lower cusack ..near the front & middle I think .

€45 + 4.5 for ticketmaster. so €50 really.

I agree I dont think there will be too many there...Kerry fans wont travel for this one..

I have been saying all week, this is a game we will win... going put €50 on the lads tommorow...if its not going well...Im so close to the pitch, I go in meself and sort the sh*t out like...LOL

[Langer Dan]

well that explains taht...was trying all day to get a ticket for hill, was great craic at the double header... f**king ticketmaster doesnt tell you there not available..
nevertheless I went ahead and booked lower cusack ..near the front & middle I think .

€45 + 4.5 for ticketmaster. so €50 really.

I agree I dont think there will be too many there...Kerry fans wont travel for this one..

I have been saying all week, this is a game we will win... going put €50 on the lads tommorow...if its not going well...Im so close to the pitch, I go in meself and sort the sh*t out like...LOL

Stick it on Kilkenny, at least you'l get a return!

[mushypea]

got me a Hogan ticket - Row A !!!

[Lapsy Pa]

Why, oh why, do the GAA subject us to 'Press conferences' for provincial finals, games in CP and league finals. Nobody saya anything remotely interesting of inflammatory for fear of riling the opposition.

Just two players, mainly captains, bored senseless at the same old questions by the same old faces. It cant be for promotional purposes, everybody who is interested in the game knows its on. Time to call a halt to this sham.

Re the game, Masters and Goulding have to have massive games if Cork to have any chance and they can expect to have osullivan and reidy for company all day long.

[bigboyfoolish]

Why, oh why, do the GAA subject us to 'Press conferences' for provincial finals, games in CP and league finals. Nobody saya anything remotely interesting of inflammatory for fear of riling the opposition.

Just two players, mainly captains, bored senseless at the same old questions by the same old faces. It cant be for promotional purposes, everybody who is interested in the game knows its on. Time to call a halt to this sham.



Hear hear.. If you think Kerry and Cork are bad.

Kilkenny must be the worst..

Never a truer word spoken by John McIntyre recently..

If a Kilkenny player walked doen the streets of Cork would he be recognised.
How many of us know what Eoin Larkin looks like?

Ok Henry is well known but he's even beginning to sound like Borin Cody at this stage..

They may go down as a great team, one of the greatest but for my eyes they could be doing so much more to promote the game.

Best of luck to them and their success if they're happy..

[Rebelred]

http://www.irishexaminer.co m/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=70525-qqqx=1.asp

23 August 2008

Cooper holds the key

By Dara O’Cinneide
EVEN IN a period fraught with uncertainty in the punditry game, the habitual downgrading of Cork chances coming into their 100th championship clash with Kerry tomorrow is puzzling because it not being true to the evidence presented thus far in championship 2008.


It is based on previous Croke Park encounters between the sides when it would appear Cork football teams took a collective decision to humiliate themselves in public. It is however, unfair on both teams at this juncture to assess their chances of reaching an All-Ireland final based on freak semi-final results from six, three and two years ago and even more fallacious to put any stock in the All-Ireland final aberration of less than 12 months ago.


Now that the cogadh na mbó maol (battle of the hornless cows) that is the Munster Football Championship is over and all obstacles since then have been negotiated by both teams tomorrow’s clash deserves to be treated as Cork veteran, Anthony Lynch suggested during the week, “a new game”, an event in its own right where “you learn as much as you can from it so you just move on”.

Much of what we know about how the blank canvas might be defaced tomorrow is based on the quarter-final form of both teams two weeks ago. If you are truly only as good as your last game then both Cork and Kerry can mix the brilliant, the mediocre and the brutal in equal measure. In their rain dance with Galway two weeks ago, Kerry found out that they still have the desire to go chasing the rainbow’s end but there is a sense that maybe Galway didn’t ask the right questions and even if they did, the grilling wasn’t as sustained or as exacting as that which will be presented by Cork tomorrow.

Darragh Ó Sé’s craft and his judicious timing of big contributions are still disguising the fact that Kerry have yet to win a midfield battle in this year’s championship. In the forest of big men around the middle, Kerry are unlikely to dominate the skies but they can hope to break even if the half back line continue their rich vein of form. Daniel Bohane’s injury deprives us of the opportunity of seeing if he could be the one to tame Michael Cussen so Kerry revert to what was tried in Páirc Uí Chaoimh and hope for a different kind of outcome.

Declan O’Sullivan’s skilled orchestration of Kerry’s forward play seems to have the inside line hitting the right notes again but Colm Cooper showed in the second half against Galway that he deserves to be utilised as more than just a lesser light in the shadow of the twin beacons of Donaghy and Walsh. Irrespective of what the two Tralee lads offer as an outlet for the kickers outfield, for all the presence they give under a high ball and for all their immaculate distribution, I believe Kerry would profit more if Cooper was first port of call for a higher percentage of the incoming ball. When the Gooch is going well — as he was towards the end of the quarter-final against Galway — the Kerry forwards find their rhythm better, are less predictable and, crucially, the ball gets held up a bit more in the Cork half of the field allowing the Kerry backs be in position for any counter attack that may spring up. Kerry are the only team left in the championship that doesn’t use a sweeper in front of their full back line and if they are to avoid conceding as much as they have in recent matches they will need major contributions on the breaks off Michael Cussen from the likes of Donnchadh Walsh and Bryan Sheehan.

Despite all the concern about a re-jigged Cork team being outscored 1-6 to 0-3 in the last half hour of football they played in Croke Park against a gallant but ultimately mediocre Kildare team, the Cork defence is still the meanest left in the race for Sam. The concession of just 12 scores a game in their three outings prior to tomorrow’s encounter tells us that Kerry are unlikely to breach them as often as they did in last year’s All-Ireland final. The heroic honesty and reckless disregard for set play that defined Cork’s game in the second half of the Munster final and in the first quarter of the Kildare match will carry them a long way again tomorrow.

LIKE Miles Davis, Cork are at their best when they “play it first and tell you what it is later” but fundamentals such as the quarrying of ball under the breaks at midfield and tackling like dogs remain unchanged.

Ger Spillane and Sean O Brien showed their value to this Cork team under the breaking ball against Kildare and in this regard Kerry will have to be “cuter to get to the breaks” as Aidan O Mahony suggested on these pages earlier in the week. The difficult and merciless truth from a Kerry viewpoint is that, Tomás Ó Sé aside, this cuteness has been lacking in recent matches.

It’s unlikely that Cork will line out as selected and for the first time in ages, they have genuine options on the bench. Noel O’Leary, Michael Shields and Kevin McMahon are proven semi-final performers and even the relatively unknown Paddy Kelly from Ballincollig made a significant contribution the last time out, so arguments relating to Kerry’s greater strength in depth are redundant. Despite the fact that a fine Kerry minor team are on the undercard against Mayo tomorrow, the incontrovertible evidence is that Cork’s graph at senior level is rising at a steeper rate than Kerry’s and Conor Counihan has taken the reins at a good time for Cork football. If they manage to beat Kerry tomorrow the balance of power could shift gradually in their direction over the next few years and it could retire a number of the Kerry players in the process.

Louis Armstrong said that musicians don’t retire; they stop when there’s no more music in them. It the same with footballers. Sadly for Cork, Kerry appear to have a few more tunes in them and the balance of power doesn’t yet appear to have reached tipping point

[3pointplay]

I just want a Cork player to hurt Donaghy.

Hurt him bad.




Very bad.




Very very bad.






As in break the cunts back.

[stevetharlear]

I just want a Cork player to hurt Donaghy.

Hurt him bad.




Very bad.




Very very bad.






As in break the cunts back.

Jesus lad, we get it, you don't like him.

That's ridiculous shit to be coming out with though.

[redrebel]

I just want a Cork player to hurt Donaghy.

Hurt him bad.




Very bad.




Very very bad.






As in break the cunts back.

you seriously have issue's 3PP...... its a football game..

[Redshirter]

Yes we can beat them and we will beat them

[Rebelred]

Have us backed at 11/4.

best of luck to the team tomorrow, do us proud

[bigboyfoolish]

You could have got better value with William Hill..

To be honest having talked witha buddy at work
who is a major gambler and knows his prices and all that jazz

he maintains that William Hill will out prices all the Irish guys for value..

I'm doing a €50 spot at 3/1..

Sure where would you be going..

http://www.willhill.com/iibs/en/buildcoupon.asp?coup onchoice=GF2202583

[redrebel]

that makes 3 of us ..with money on them.... I only got 11/4 aswell with PP online.

Wasjust listening to Newstalk radio talking about the gam e tommorow..
Jack O'Connor & Eugene Magee were on....Magee made some good points so did O'Connor, but you got the sense they really dont give us a prayer, and were quite patronising about it... christ If I hear anymore about Cork having a Phobia about playing in Croke pk... FFS ..no one mentions Dublin having a phobia and they lose there every August...

Anyhoo O'Connor was saying about "when " Kerry play Tyrone in the final... cos they have a score to settle withem...who do people in Kerry think they are... its there God given right to win Sam...


I hope we bury them tommorow...have had to endure the pain of annoying kerry fans in the last few Semi finals...would love if we turned the tables..
Cant wait ...got my ticket ..Hogan stand..pitchside..

[Corcaigh32]

Hogan lower tier around the 45...............can 't wait either.

[ho chi feen]

Where are the better odd to be had? Personally, I'd fancy a shot on Cork. There's definite value to be had.

[BostonRebel]

All the best to those going. Wish I was there. Will have to make do with the Irish Cultural Centre in Canton MA tomorrow. Last time there was last year however for the final. Still living it down.

Maybe I should stay home.

And miss us leathering the fuckers? I think not.

Rebels ABU!!!!!

[Rebelred]

Where are the better odd to be had? Personally, I'd fancy a shot on Cork. There's definite value to be had.

that 4/1 with William Hill is the best I've seen around. As I said, 11/4 with PaddyPower and think Ladbrookes are the same

[3pointplay]

you seriously have issue's 3PP...... its a football game..

And with luck he could be taken out before the Basketball season starts.;)

Anyway in my book he is a cheating thug.

[mushypea]

well im happy to report the sun is actually shining in Dumpland for a change!

really looking forward to the match later on.

Sitting in row A - Hogan. Gonna wear my proc tshirt instead of the jersey today....brought us luck against them in the Munster Final.:razz:
I still have the score board as my screen saver.

corcaigh abú

[Lee Bushwacker]

:D
Best of luck lads. C'mon THE REBELS! :-D

[legend76]

up the rebels !!!!


I really hope we can beat Kerry.

I'll be roaring from the premier level today

[Rebelred]

Just spoke to my buddy who is gone up to it, said there are hardly any Cork jerseys to be seen around the place. Crowd will be small today

[The Zurich Connection]

Cork are the greatest shower of bottlers ever, hence the small crowd.

[Rebelred]

Cork are the greatest shower of bottlers ever, hence the small crowd.

nonsense, that's Mayo

[Rebelred]

well it's heartwarming to know that those who have travelled have done so in the right frame of mind. Mayo just scored a goal in the minor game against Kerry and a big roar went up from all in red.

[Rebelred]

Canty and Miskella start.
Masters and Brian O'Regan lose out. Dummy team named during the week by the looks of it.
If that is the case, Canty may well be at midfield and O'Neill at centre forward, as there is no way Canty will be deployed at centre forward

[Rebelred]

according to Joe Brolly, we are too cocky as a county.

Kerry are so worried about Cussen they are putting Tommy Griffin in at full back

[CHANCE]

Has Joe Brolly ever praised Cork even after we win ?

[Rebelred]

never.


Anyway, it's on, Canty at midfield, Tommy Griffin at full back.
Come on Cork

[Rebelred]

Five minutes in, interesting so far. Both sides going the direct route. Murphy on as a blood sub for Canty.

[exileonpatrickstreet]

would anyone be so good as to post an internet radio stream?

[Rebelred]

it's on!

REBELS!


Exile, try 103fm, they'll definitely have astream.

fuck, goal for kerry

[Rebelred]

lsoing a world of ball at midfield. Need O'Neill there before its too late

[liam2me]

would anyone be so good as to post an internet radio stream?
FFS you had a perfectly good one last time

[Rebelred]

Nick Murphy on for Alan O'Connor.

[exileonpatrickstreet]

FFS you had a perfectly good one last time

yeah, but i've to go looking for it. i'm being lazy

radio link

http://www.96fm.ie/103bandon.asx
cheers

[liam2me]

dara o'shea red carded :D

[bumble]

O'Shea ya scumbag

[liam2me]

O'Shea ya scumbag
what did he do? the radio didn't give much of an explanation

[Mr Jefferson]

what did he do? the radio didn't give much of an explanation

Hard to see but seemed to connect with a right hand. Ref standing about 2 feet away. Great footballer but thick as a ditch.

Seems Kerry are playing better than ever tho.

[cuchulainn]

Thanks for the feed. RTE are not broadcasting live sports on internet outside of Ireland because of regulations about the olympic feed. Not going our way though

[liam2me]

Thanks for the feed. RTE are not broadcasting live sports on internet outside of Ireland because of regulations about the olympic feed. Not going our way though
tis fuck all to do with the olympics, they never broadcast online stuff outside of ireland

[Mr Jefferson]

o'connor sent off for striking. ffs

[liam2me]

genuine red card or just equalling things by the ref?

[GKN18]

genuine red card or just equalling things by the ref?

Tapped Aidan O' Mahony on the face, Mahony felt it, waited 2-3 seconds, went down clutching his face :roll:

[Kimeartimmyboy]

cant watch it.gaa football turns me off.playing it ,no problem.watching it,christ no

[Mr Jefferson]

Tapped Aidan O' Mahony on the face, Mahony felt it, waited 2-3 seconds, went down clutching his face :roll:

Doesn't matter. The fact dara got sent to the sidelines for striking, you'd have thought sent out the message. Donnacha needs a lobotomy when he gets back home

[duffer31]

john hayes steps up

[GKN18]

Outcha Hayes!!!

1-13 to 3-07

What a comeback

1.01 smashed on Betfair!

[Mr Jefferson]

GOOAAAAAAAL!!!

I don't believe it.

[liam2me]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeees

[duffer31]

yes yes yes .blow it up.hit the post.blow it up ffs

[Lynk]

That ref is useless.

[bumble]

What a come back

SWEET

:D:D:D:D:

[duffer31]

talking about getting out of jail lads. fuckin hell.we did not deserve a draw to be fair

[Lynk]

To be bloody honest, we didn't the ref was blatently biased, and I don't think that was even a penalty.

[wayne gayle]

We are fuckin useless. I didn't celebrate when the goal went in. I dread the replay, we will be annihilated. Any Cork person who celebrates that result is a fuckin tool.
Brolly is a spanner but he got it right;"Cork are a bad football team".

[BostonRebel]

Jaysus someone was looking out for us today up there. Was that you Dad??

We better turn up the second day to be fair.

[duffer31]

To be bloody honest, we didn't the ref was blatently biased, and I don't think that was even a penalty.

didnt look like one yet anywhere else on the pitch i think it was a free so not sure. have to see it again.

[Lynk]

didnt look like one yet anywhere else on the pitch i think it was a free so not sure. have to see it again.

He ran into him, there was no deliberate intent. Also keep in mind that Kerry should've definitely got a penalty and that their goal was perfectly fine. The referee was a joke and that's coming from a corkman. If I was from Kerry I'd be irritated.

[duffer31]

We are fuckin useless. I didn't celebrate when the goal went in. I dread the replay, we will be annihilated. Any Cork person who celebrates that result is a fuckin tool.
Brolly is a spanner but he got it right;"Cork are a bad football team".

i agree with what you're saying but to say you did not celebrate when the goal went in is idiotic. i dont think we can win the next day but what do we have to lose. well done thr rebels. semi final/quarter final is our level. could be worse. we could be the dubs.....

[cuchulainn]

tis fuck all to do with the olympics, they never broadcast online stuff outside of ireland
Really? I listen to most games on internet. Now, it could well be that they will not broadcast outside of Ireland in the future (like BBC) but I have listened to plenty of games in the past.

[MonTheHoops]

I think the loss of dirty Dara will be a bigger blow to Kerry than people think. We can definitely beat them. Added to that I reckon O'Mahony will take an awful rollicking in the press this week and that'll quieten him the next day too.

If you didn't cheer when that penalty was scored then you've a heart of stone.

[duffer31]

He ran into him, there was no deliberate intent. Also keep in mind that Kerry should've definitely got a penalty and that their goal was perfectly fine. The referee was a joke and that's coming from a corkman. If I was from Kerry I'd be irritated.


ya twas no pen for sure. very lucky to get it. both sending offs were correct but o'mahoney was like fuckin ronaldo or drogba the way he went down. a disgrace and a cheat so maybe they desrved bad luck.

[Lynk]

Yeah O'Mahoney was disgraceful in the way he dived, but I guess the rule is any strike to a players face warrants a red card.


EDIT: Another thing, why was there only 35,000 there? Disappointing to see tbh.

[duffer31]

Yeah O'Mahoney was disgraceful in the way he dived, but I guess the rule is any strike to a players face warrants a red card.


EDIT: Another thing, why was there only 35,000 there? Disappointing to see tbh.

no comment seen as i did not go. the reason. to far to expensive for me this particular weekend. 35000 seems good to me. there will ba a huge scramble now for replay in limerick

[Redshirter]

Is the replay going to be in Limerick ?

[MonTheHoops]

Yeah replay will be Limerick.

[Lynk]

no comment seen as i did not go. the reason. to far to expensive for me this particular weekend. 35000 seems good to me. there will ba a huge scramble now for replay in limerick

Yeah, I was thinking the same. Cost of travelling seems to be the main reason.

[exileonpatrickstreet]

He ran into him, there was no deliberate intent. Also keep in mind that Kerry should've definitely got a penalty and that their goal was perfectly fine. The referee was a joke and that's coming from a corkman. If I was from Kerry I'd be irritated.

yearra, it's about time a decision went against kerry

[3pointplay]

Very very lucky today.

[Lynk]

yearra, it's about time a decision went against kerry

That's a very daft comment if I may be so bold, we all want the game to be played fair, I understand there's a rivalry between both us and Kerry but to see the game turn into such a farce is disappointing as a GAA fan.

[exileonpatrickstreet]

That's a very daft comment if I may be so bold, we all want the game to be played fair, I understand there's a rivalry between both us and Kerry but to see the game turn into such a farce is disappointing as a GAA fan.

it might be daft, i admit, i only heard snippets of the game on the radio, so i don't know how much of a farce it was. i agree that one of the best things about cork fans is being a good loser and enjoying the skills regardless of who wins, but it is about time really.

[Lynk]

That's fair enough, I mean you can only understand what you're being told listening to the radio, but watching the match and subsequent replays me and a lot of my friends agree that the referee was very poor at best, if not biased.

[KolaKubes]

I would generally have a lot of time for Kerry folk but their team's behaviour today was disgraceful.

Considering they've played out two good, entertaining games of football since Munster without any of these shenanigans but feel this is what's needed to best Cork reflects extremely badly on them.

Nothing wrong with some rivalry but we are neighbours, we do educate and employ their kids, no need for such clear hatred they have for us.

The GAA and its pundits would want to pull their head out of their ass regards the sort of carry on that's going on on the field. Too much benefit of the doubt being given to fellas.

Anyone who still imagines that the late challenge by Tomas O Se in the Munster final was an unfortunate accident should be made sit down and talked through today's game again. That shit needs to be stamped out.

[northmallexile]

Dhera, it was a penalty alright, lads. He body-checked him in the box. Let's not get carried away.

Admittedly, by the same standards, Donaghy ought to have had a penalty in the first half. There is a large part of me that kind of agrees with exops, though.

[3pointplay]

Told you lot that cunt is a thug.

[MonTheHoops]

I would generally have a lot of time for Kerry folk but their team's behaviour today was disgraceful.

Considering they've played out two good, entertaining games of football since Munster without any of these shenanigans but feel this is what's needed to best Cork reflects extremely badly on them.

Nothing wrong with some rivalry but we are neighbours, we do educate and employ their kids, no need for such clear hatred they have for us.

The GAA and its pundits would want to pull their head out of their ass regards the sort of carry on that's going on on the field. Too much benefit of the doubt being given to fellas.

Anyone who still imagines that the late challenge by Tomas O Se in the Munster final was an unfortunate accident should be made sit down and talked through today's game again. That shit needs to be stamped out.

They don't hate us, they fucking despise us.

They'll always be a filthy side, regardless. Ok they're not in the same bracket as the 80's Dublin side, but a pack of miserable, cheating, dirty fuckers all the same.

O Se meant every bit of that tackle and more.

[Mr Jefferson]

The best we could have hoped for today was to avoid the total capitulation seen in 06 and 07. It didn't look like it with only 1 point after 20 min of the second half but by hook or by crook we have another chance.

I actually think we'll beat them the next day. I expect it to sell out too.

[Loftydog]

He ran into him, there was no deliberate intent. Also keep in mind that Kerry should've definitely got a penalty and that their goal was perfectly fine. The referee was a joke and that's coming from a corkman. If I was from Kerry I'd be irritated.

He clearly made more of an effort to throw the ball rather than to pass it and the ref blew up immediately before the ball went into the net so it not like he disallowed it afterwards. Honestly, once the first sending off occured i thought "Oh no here we go". Kerry were determined to get a cork player sent off in retaliation and Adian O'Mahony ensured that happened. He deserved a proper dig for that. DD was definitely getting rattled not for the first time and now will miss the replay. Shame. Once that happened kerry it seemed were just determined to stop cork by fair means or foul and the ref lost control of it. Midfield was turned into a minefield and Cork could not win any clean ball. Most of the kickouts seemed to be going straight to kerry hands as well. Some of their shooting was god awful though. They could easily have been 10 or 12 points up in the second half. That more than anything is way kerry ended up only drawing this match.

Cork have to have a plan B for the re-play. There is no point in playing high ball into Cussen unless there are people there to support him and to receive the knock down ball. He must have been extremely frustrated by that especially in the second half. Midfield selection is now going to be interesting for both teams. Do Kerry stick Donaghy back into midfield or keep up full forward? Do Cork start with Nicolas Murphy?

[Lynk]

He clearly made more of an effort to throw the ball rather than to pass it and the ref blew up immediately before the ball went into the net so it not like he disallowed it afterwards. Honestly, once the first sending off occured i thought "Oh no here we go". Kerry were determined to get a cork player sent off in retaliation and Adian O'Mahony ensured that happened. He deserved a proper dig for that. DD was definitely getting rattled not for the first time and now will miss the replay. Shame. Once that happened kerry it seemed were just determined to stop cork by fair means or foul and the ref lost control of it. Midfield was turned into a minefield and Cork could not win any clean ball. Most of the kickouts seemed to be going straight to kerry hands as well. Some of their shooting was god awful though. They could easily have been 10 or 12 points up in the second half. That more than anything is way kerry ended up only drawing this match.

Cork have to have a plan B for the re-play. There is no point in playing high ball into Cussen unless there are people there to support him and to receive the knock down ball. He must have been extremely frustrated by that especially in the second half. Midfield selection is now going to be interesting for both teams. Do Kerry stick Donaghy back into midfield or keep up full forward? Do Cork start with Nicolas Murphy?

The rules state you cannot raise your hand to an opposing player, wheter he should've been sent off or not is a pointless argument, however I do think O'Mahoney deserved a yellow for his theatrics. Both teams were ill disciplined today, I do think murphy should've got a yellow at the very least for knocking down Cooper after the free was given to cork. Both teams should leave the handbags at home and play the game how it was meant to be played. Yes Kerrys shooting was horrible, but I think the referees decisions played a bigger role than their accuracy. The next game should be fascinating, I agree with you.

[exileonpatrickstreet]

The rules state you cannot raise your hand to an opposing player, wheter he should've been sent off or not is a pointless argument, however I do think O'Mahoney deserved a yellow for his theatrics. Yes Kerrys shooting was horrible, but I think the referees decisions played a bigger role than their accuracy.

is that what the actual rules actually say? does anyone have a cumann luthcleas gael handbook to hand?

[Lynk]

http://gamesdevelopment.gaa .ie/auth/main/sb/preview/stage/files/gamesdev/playing_rules_of_foo tball.pdf

Go to page 23.

"To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with the head, arm, elbow, hand or knee"

[exileonpatrickstreet]

thanks

rule 5: aggressive fouls
5.2 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with
the head, arm, elbow, hand or knee.

[KolaKubes]

I'm not sure that O'Connor would have walked in a soccer game for that little slap.

All change in the GAA.

[northmallexile]

I'm not sure that O'Connor would have walked in a soccer game for that little slap.

All change in the GAA.

Ah, he would've in fairness, like.

The delayed reaction theatrics was definitely a soccer import though. Disgusting business.

[KolaKubes]

Ah, he would've in fairness, like.

The delayed reaction theatrics was definitely a soccer import though. Disgusting business.

Premiership game?

Not so sure about that at all.

It was a tap turned into an assault by that ludicrous dive by O'Mahony.

Would like to see the GAA act on O'Mahony or else overturn the red on O'Connor.

[Loftydog]

The rules state you cannot raise your hand to an opposing player, wheter he should've been sent off or not is a pointless argument, however I do think O'Mahoney deserved a yellow for his theatrics. Both teams were ill disciplined today, I do think murphy should've got a yellow at the very least for knocking down Cooper after the free was given to cork. Both teams should leave the handbags at home and play the game how it was meant to be played. Yes Kerrys shooting was horrible, but I think the referees decisions played a bigger role than their accuracy. The next game should be fascinating, I agree with you.

Don't you think that a yellow card would have sufficed in the light of the provocation he was receiving and especially the ghey aftermath?

[northmallexile]

Don't you think that a yellow card would have sufficed in the light of the provocation he was receiving and especially the ghey aftermath?

I'm sure Frank will be able to unearth a little-known "a dismissal shall be rescinded if the struck player reacts like a complete wanker" clause. Got to be one in there somewhere.

[redrebel]

Aiden O'Mahony ... perhaps Scholari should have a scout look at him, ffs he went down like a sack of spuds.

Couldnt believe we couldnt get things going today...Sean O'Brian was played out of it, Masters should have started, and why oh why did it take so long to bring Noel O'leary on, he showed some fire and got a lot of the breaking ball in midfield, another who should start next week.

I saw the funniest thing ever today...some Kerry girl with a split Killkenny/Kerry GAA top on..

Was worth the €45 alone, just to have the biggest grin on my face as we left the stadium, and seeing all those shocked Kerry fans in disbelief.

Counihan needs to have a serious look at getting quiker ball up to the forwards next week.

[exileonpatrickstreet]

... some Kerry girl with a split Killkenny/Kerry GAA top on ...

talk about obsessed

[Lynk]

I'm not sure that O'Connor would have walked in a soccer game for that little slap.

All change in the GAA.

Actually, Didier Drogba was sent off in the Champions League final for the exact same thing.

[Mr Jefferson]

Whether it was a penalty or not, it was o'mahony that committed the foul. Thats called karma people.

[cork*girl]

Aiden O'Mahony ... perhaps Scholari should have a scout look at him, ffs he went down like a sack of spuds.

Couldnt believe we couldnt get things going today...Sean O'Brian was played out of it, Masters should have started, and why oh why did it take so long to bring Noel O'leary on, he showed some fire and got a lot of the breaking ball in midfield, another who should start next week.

I saw the funniest thing ever today...some Kerry girl with a split Killkenny/Kerry GAA top on..

Was worth the €45 alone, just to have the biggest grin on my face as we left the stadium, and seeing all those shocked Kerry fans in disbelief.

Counihan needs to have a serious look at getting quiker ball up to the forwards next week.


there was some child in the examiner during the week with a cork/kerry one of them his gran made for him! he was abou 5 i think and didnt know who he was going to cheer for yet! his dad is from cork and mam from kerry!

[cork*girl]

when is the replay?

[wayne gayle]

Did anyone notice that none of the players shook hands with the opposition after the game?
It's the firs time I've seen that in a GAA game. There's obviously a lot pf bad blood between the two teams. Hardly surprising I suppose, five sendings off in two games between them.
This will be their third meeting this year too so familiarity breeds contempt I suppose.
Sparks will fly the next day too you can be sure.

[legend76]

Just back from the match. mad stuff, how did we get out of jail there?? the look on the faces of the Kerry lads afterwards was priceless. bad form from all the Cork "fans" who left with their tails between their legs with 20 minutes to go.

[redrebel]

there was some child in the examiner during the week with a cork/kerry one of them his gran made for him! he was abou 5 i think and didnt know who he was going to cheer for yet! his dad is from cork and mam from kerry!

to be honest the Kerry GAA top isnt the most flattering of tops on the ladies, but to mix it in with a Killkenny top was over the top like..
She wasnt the skinniest of birds either ..overall there's wasnt a lot going for her.

[Murdock]

Just back from the match. mad stuff, how did we get out of jail there?? the look on the faces of the Kerry lads afterwards was priceless. bad form from all the Cork "fans" who left with their tails between their legs with 20 minutes to go.

Yer man Joe O'Shea was among those gowls.


The eejit was talking to RTÉ news outside Croke Park while the match was still on about how depressing it was that every time they played in Croker Kerry always give us a hiding.



We were absolutely dire and still managed to get a draw. If we can play some way decent in the replay we should beat them. I still think it's madness our best forward only plays for less than half the game and I'd agree about O'Leary as well. He should start too.

[legend76]

Yer man Joe O'Shea was among those gowls.
The eejit was talking to RTÉ news outside Croke Park while the match was still on about how depressing it was that every time they played in Croker Kerry always give us a hiding.



We were absolutely dire and still managed to get a draw. If we can play some way decent in the replay we should beat them. I still think it's madness our best forward only plays for less than half the game and I'd agree about O'Leary as well. He should start too.


bumped into him on my way to the game actually. see the mushpea thread for more gruesome details

[Univibe]

we have a good chance next week considering they played like a bunch of thugs and showed they have no respect for us. O mahony should be ashamed of himself, but he has been getting away for it for a long time, o shea , i'ii say no more, his brothers late hit on noel o leary deemed a yellow at least but it summed up the performance of the ref i suppose. i hope and think we can beat these dicks next week, they are on their way out, it was like a victory today for us, we cannot play as bad again

[harveythewonderhorse]

Kerry GAA forum is "in maintenance mode" tonight. Rumours that it is down in response to a tap on the homepage by an opposing forum are being denied

[M&M]

Kerry GAA forum is "in maintenance mode" tonight. Rumours that it is down in response to a tap on the homepage by an opposing forum are being denied

lol

I think a big thing today was the fact that Cork didn't completely crumble when it started to go wrong in the 2nd half. They've been on the wrong end of some awful results against Kerry in Croke Park and they didn't give up even though they looked dead and buried. Hayes putting away that peno under such pressure was fantastic. Fair dues to him.

I hope the next day they come out with a different game plan and don't keep playing high balls into Cussen.

[cork*girl]

to be honest the Kerry GAA top isnt the most flattering of tops on the ladies, but to mix it in with a Killkenny top was over the top like..
She wasnt the skinniest of birds either ..overall there's wasnt a lot going for her.


i can imagne! :eek:

[antipop]

Please demonstrate how Cork won't play as bad again next weekend. Every time Cork has played Kerry is in the business end of the Championship ye turn out to be kerrys bitch. It was the same today only poor shooting from Kerry and hail mary shit got ye a replay. What makes ye think its gonna be any different next week.

[ho chi feen]

What an odd game.

PS - GAA heads pontificating about diving in soccer- you haven't got a leg to stand after this season.

[cattybarry]

lol

I think a big thing today was the fact that Cork didn't completely crumble when it started to go wrong in the 2nd half. They've been on the wrong end of some awful results against Kerry in Croke Park and they didn't give up even though they looked dead and buried. Hayes putting away that peno under such pressure was fantastic. Fair dues to him.

I hope the next day they come out with a different game plan and don't keep playing high balls into Cussen.

how can u seriously say they didnt crumble. they were 8 points down with minutes left. only for some seriously good luck it would have been the same old same old. they are some gorsoons on that team just look like they didnt want to be there. hayes's penalty was compleately at odds with his general play. once again he was playing the part of the invisble man. and donnacha o'connor's absense will be a severe handicap next day out.

speaking of handicap, did anybody see daragh o'cinnede's display on The Sunday Game. what a complete and utter cunt.

[morello]

What an odd game.

PS - GAA heads pontificating about diving in soccer- you haven't got a leg to stand after this season.

Absoultely. While I was raging at what that scumbag O' Mahony did yesterday, there have been Cork hurlers and Munster rugby players at the same thing over the past year. It can't be dealt with by referees, but certainly can be dealt with by governing bodies and lengthy suspensions on review would cut it out. In fact, soccer is the only sport that is trying to deal with it (poorly admittedly).

Poor performance by Cork yesterday, we can't seem to keep our heads when Kerry start getting physical, and I'm not just referring to Donncha O Connor - the whole team lost its structure and focus when it started to get a bit frenetic. The psychological advantage is with Cork now though and we have a superb chance of doing the business next Sunday if we can learn from yesterday's mistakes.

[Lamps]

well well well.

I didn't see that coming. we got out of jail once again. now what was I saying about Couinihan being a lucky manager rather than any sort of tactical one. If thats the case then I'll take that with both hands.

Analysis. Wrong team picked again, which handed the initiative over to the animals from the first minute. We did incredibly well to be within a point having operated on about 35% possesion in the first half. Dara walking should have been the spur for us to kick on, but in a CONTROLLED fashion. We simply had no idea how to utilize the extra man. I would say keep it simple, avoid Star with the kickout and leave Canty roam around the middle as free man. We did everything but that. Donncha O Connor should be ashamed of himself today, thats TWICE in 4 games he's acted like a spolit child and nearly cost us the game. Both Cork goals were good, it was a peno, that diving little prick Mahoney knew exactly what he was doing when he ran across Canty and left the leg back. We got out of jail, but make no mistake about it, Kerry were rattled by what happened yesterday, they were badly rattled. I think now that we can win the replay, the monkey is off our backs in a sense.

But Counihan needs to bite the bullet and play his best team, this means 5 or 6 changes, and needs to be more along the lines of the one that finished the game yesterday. Shattered

[Rebelred]

I have a confession to make... it was me... I was the second gun man on the grassy knowl...I was the one who Shot Aidan O'Mahony yesterday.
That guy by the way, is a Garda in Angelsea street...yes people, that's right, he's the protector of good and the enforcer of law in our City... what a disgrace of a man.


To the game, man we were poxed. That was a shocking display of football. Key players well beaten in critical areas. No intensity and a lack of urgency to our play. I thought the first half was bad but the second was worse. We were clueless with the extra man, played into Kerrys hands and left him lying far too deep. Then when it was 14 V 14, we still weren't picking up our men. This seriously needs to be addressed for next week. The forwards managed 2-1 from play, Nick Murphy and John Miskella scored the other two points from play. This is just not good enough. Daniel Goulding got a hiding yesterday, Hayes too, even if the ball into them was terrible. We hit only two good balls into the full forward line in the entire second half yesterday, one in the 67th minute which Cussen won, and one in the 70th minute which Cussen broke. We goaled from both of these.
Very few positives from that performance, but somehow, we're still standing.

Donnacha was utterly stupid to get involved with O'Mahony, but the latters conduct is worthy of a lifetime ban from all GAA activities, shameful stuff.

Dirty Dara - RTE's golden boy, showing his true colours again though.

[Lamps]

What an odd game.

PS - GAA heads pontificating about diving in soccer- you haven't got a leg to stand after this season.


Diving is endemic in soccer, big difference.

There are some divers in the GAA too, and I'm sad to say it but the Cork Hurlers are the biggest culplrits of them all

[Lamps]

Does Dara (and donncha) get an extended ban for being sent off for the second time in 4 games?

I thought that was the old rule?

[Rebelred]

Does Dara (and donncha) get an extended ban for being sent off for the second time in 4 games?

I thought that was the old rule?

they have both been sent off twice in the space of 48 weeks. I think this means an extra bit on to the ban, not sure though will have to check it out.

[Rebelred]

Here is the section:

Suspension - Misconduct on Field
(1) Categories of Offences
(A) Interference by player or official with
a Referee, Umpire, Linesman, Sideline
Official or opposing Team Official.
(B) Striking with hurley, head, kicking, or
stamping.
(C) Other immediate ‘Ordering Off’
offences - not covered by (A) or (B)
above.
(D) Second Cautionable Foul.
(2) Players Ordered Off/Reported - Penalties
(i) A player ordered off the field for a
Category (A) or (B) offence shall
stand suspended and shall not play
again until his case has been dealt with
by the Council or Committee
responsible for determining his
suspension.
(ii) A player ordered off the field for a
Category (C) offence shall stand
suspended for the minimum of four
weeks at the Level at which the
offence is committed i.e. Inter-County,
Club, Inter-Provincial, Third Level,
Schools etc., but the player shall have
the right to have his suspension
reviewed by the Committee in Charge,
on written representations, or by
seeking, in writing, an oral hearing.
The penalty shall include the next
game in the Competition in which the
suspension was incurred, even if the
next game falls outside the suspension
period.
A player ordered off for a Category
(C) offence, for which more than the minimum 4 weeks suspension may be
applicable, shall not play again until
his case has been dealt with by the
Council or Committee responsible for
determining the duration of
suspensions over and above the
minimum term of 4 weeks.
(iii) A player ordered off for a Category
(D) offence may not play for the
duration of the remainder of that
game, which shall include extra time,
where played.
(iv) A player ordered off the field for a
Category (D) offence for a subsequent
time within 48 weeks at the same Level
i.e. Inter-County, Club, Inter-
Provincial, Third Level, Schools etc.,
shall stand suspended for 2 weeks at
that Level.
(iv) A player reported by the Referee as
having committed a Category (A), (B),
or (C) offence after the conclusion of
the game, shall likewise stand
suspended as outlined above. The
player shall be immediately notified in
writing of the Report by the
Committee in Charge.


So, what I understand from that is that they will just have the four week bans, as they were sent off under category B offences and not category D offences.

[Actin The Sham]

I have a confession to make... it was me... I was the second gun man on the grassy knowl...I was the one who Shot Aidan O'Mahony yesterday.
That guy by the way, is a Garda in Angelsea street...yes people, that's right, he's the protector of good and the enforcer of law in our City... what a disgrace of a man.


Donnacha was utterly stupid to get involved with O'Mahony, but the latters conduct is worthy of a lifetime ban from all GAA activities, shameful stuff.



What he said.

[Rebelred]

What he said.

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[KolaKubes]

well well well.

I didn't see that coming. we got out of jail once again. now what was I saying about Couinihan being a lucky manager rather than any sort of tactical one. If thats the case then I'll take that with both hands.

Analysis. Wrong team picked again, which handed the initiative over to the animals from the first minute. We did incredibly well to be within a point having operated on about 35% possesion in the first half. Dara walking should have been the spur for us to kick on, but in a CONTROLLED fashion. We simply had no idea how to utilize the extra man. I would say keep it simple, avoid Star with the kickout and leave Canty roam around the middle as free man. We did everything but that. Donncha O Connor should be ashamed of himself today, thats TWICE in 4 games he's acted like a spolit child and nearly cost us the game. Both Cork goals were good, it was a peno, that diving little prick Mahoney knew exactly what he was doing when he ran across Canty and left the leg back. We got out of jail, but make no mistake about it, Kerry were rattled by what happened yesterday, they were badly rattled. I think now that we can win the replay, the monkey is off our backs in a sense.

But Counihan needs to bite the bullet and play his best team, this means 5 or 6 changes, and needs to be more along the lines of the one that finished the game yesterday. Shattered

Bad habits learned under Billy take a while to be rooted out I guess? ;)

Your dig about the Cork hurlers is nonsense.

If anything, they should come back next year making sure the ref, the linesmen, the umpires, the crowd know when they've taken yet another dirty dig off a KK man.

Down Jurgen O'Mahony style.

The gentleman jack era is long passed. KK and Kerry have taken the game into a new place where cynical systematic fouling has to be met as it was in soccer in the 70s.

[Lamps]

Bad habits learned under Billy take a while to be rooted out I guess? ;)

Your dig about the Cork hurlers is nonsense.

If anything, they should come back next year making sure the ref, the linesmen, the umpires, the crowd know when they've taken yet another dirty dig off a KK man.

Down Jurgen O'Mahony style.

The gentleman jack era is long passed. KK and Kerry have taken the game into a new place where cynical systematic fouling has to be met as it was in soccer in the 70s.

Its no dig about the hurlers, i can think of four players over the last few years who have done the same as O'Mahony.
I call a spade a spade. We've got more offenders for "simulation" in this county than any other and its nothing to be proud of.


To be honest, I'm sick of Cork people moaning about Kilkennys physicality and intensity. They could take a leaf out of the footballers book and meet fire with fire. Take no shit

[Rebelred]

Its no dig about the hurlers, i can think of four players over the last few years who have done the same as O'Mahony.
I call a spade a spade. We've got more offenders for "simulation" in this county than any other and its nothing to be proud of.


To be honest, I'm sick of Cork people moaning about Kilkennys physicality and intensity. They could take a leaf out of the footballers book and meet fire with fire. Take no shit

I'd be of the same book. Kilkenny play hard, nothing wrong with that. Kerry do too. Instead of moaning about it, we need to go out and do something about it.

[BangorFeen]

Bad habits learned under Billy take a while to be rooted out I guess? ;)

Your dig about the Cork hurlers is nonsense.

If anything, they should come back next year making sure the ref, the linesmen, the umpires, the crowd know when they've taken yet another dirty dig off a KK man.

Down Jurgen O'Mahony style.

The gentleman jack era is long passed. KK and Kerry have taken the game into a new place where cynical systematic fouling has to be met as it was in soccer in the 70s.
KK, he's right though. There's a number of Cork hurlers have gone down like they've taken a .303 slug to the face. Setanta was not unknown for it either.

[redrebel]

there's playing hard and then there's plain thuggery, what dara O'Sea has been doing for years.. no team minds a physical contest, shoulder to shoulder etc. but when you throw a punch when the other guy is not looking ..your simply a coward.

Why oh why is it a GAA thing , that when they send one player off on one team, they feel obliged to do the same to the other.. tbh, the ref was very poor yesterday.

[KolaKubes]

Its no dig about the hurlers, i can think of four players over the last few years who have done the same as O'Mahony.
I call a spade a spade. We've got more offenders for "simulation" in this county than any other and its nothing to be proud of.


To be honest, I'm sick of Cork people moaning about Kilkennys physicality and intensity. They could take a leaf out of the footballers book and meet fire with fire. Take no shit

Ya, that worked brilliantly after the sending off. :rolleyes:

there's playing hard and then there's plain thuggery, what dara O'Sea has been doing for years.. no team minds a physical contest, shoulder to shoulder etc. but when you throw a punch when the other guy is not looking ..your simply a coward.

Why oh why is it a GAA thing , that when they send one player off on one team, they feel obliged to do the same to the other.. tbh, the ref was very poor yesterday.

Exactly.

There's nothing "manly" about sneaky punches.

When I'm talking about Kilkenny's "physicality", I'm referring to the dirty slaps on fellas in possession of the ball and the systematic fouling when they've no intention of playing the ball.

I've been described as a "physical" player myself over the years but I've never knowingly gone out to injure a lad. I play whatever game it is within the rules. That should do. After that, the ref should be on the ball enforcing the rules. I found it a laugh that they'd blow for a shoulder if you flattened a guy (which is allowed) but someone could be pummeling your kidneys and that's not a foul! :D

[Lamps]

Ya, that worked brilliantly after the sending off. :rolleyes:



Exactly.

There's nothing "manly" about sneaky punches.

When I'm talking about Kilkenny's "physicality", I'm referring to the dirty slaps on fellas in possession of the ball and the systematic fouling when they've no intention of playing the ball.

I've been described as a "physical" player myself over the years but I've never knowingly gone out to injure a lad. I play whatever game it is within the rules. That should do. After that, the ref should be on the ball enforcing the rules. I found it a laugh that they'd blow for a shoulder if you flattened a guy (which is allowed) but someone could be pummeling your kidneys and that's not a foul! :D

Take off the red tinted specs.

Did you see what Sully did to comerford in 2004? The last day even?
Brian Murphy and Gardiner can be as cynical and physical as the rest. All teams do a bit of it.

For right or wrong, its part of the game. Now stop acting like a woman, You've been bleating about Kilkenny since last year, time you took the defeat on the chin like all good corkmen do. They are way better than us, its as simple as that. This year we can have absolutely no complaints about that.

[Johnnyc]

After years of bad defeats against Kerry in Croke Park that I'vew sat through that was so so sweet yesterday.

Lets be honest bar the five minute period coming up to half time we played cat altogether but that last five minutes of the game will be ingrained in my mind for ever, it was unreal!

Kerry kicked the game away, they were on top for so long and should have been at least 7 up by half time. We got cleaned out on the high ball in the first half but Nicholas won a good amount of ball when he came on to give us some possession.

It's about time refs are copping onto Dara's antics. He is a fine footballer and someone I'd have an awful lot of respect for but he has been getting away with sly digs and knees in the back for years. Ref was too card happy yesterday though, he never let the game flow.

I think O'Mahony is a disgrace, he went down as if Donacha had shot him with an AK 47. Fair enough you can't raise your hand to anyone and there should be punishment meted out where appropriate but going down like that is a joke.

Like Dara he is a fine footballer but he's fond of the sly digs himself. To collapse to the ground that is a disgrace particularly when he is a role model for kids, representative of his county and a feckin guard as well. Jesus if that's who is protecting the streets of Cork I don't feel a bit safe.

I'm suer he is a sound fella off the pitch but players need to realise that they are role models and should try to act appropriately.

After Dara got sent off I turned to my friend and said this is finally the day when we can avenge all those bad defeats but the opposite happened they really bonded together and stretched outt he lead, Donaghy picked up an amount of ball and they got some real classy team scores.

After about 60 minutes I really couldn't see a way back for us. We kicked two points that looked like consolation scores. Then Masters got the goal and suddenly there was three in it. Not sure if our penalty was a penalty as I haven't seen the match on tv yet but it didn't look like one from my angle. It just looked like he bounced off the defender, but qwe deserved some luck. But I thought we should have got a penalty in one of the previous attacks when I think Kevin McMahon was fouled just inside the square.

John was as cool as could be and it was such a high when it went in. I was surrounded by Kerry people in my section so it made it all the sweeter, particularly because some of them were wearing 3 in a row t-shirts. I think I broke my seat jumping on it!! The last attack was heart stopping when it came off the post.

We can't play that bad anyway next week and I think we have a real chance. There were a few silly errors made again yesterday like handling and picking the ball of the ground, you can't afford to do that against Kerry.

We need to hit them hard but fair the next day and try to involved losingthe temper, they'll be all out to wind Cork up and they are past masters at it.

This game will surely give the lads the belief that they can beat this Kerry team in Croke park if they concentrate and give it their all for 70 minutes.

[Rebelred]

Not sure if our penalty was a penalty as I haven't seen the match on tv yet but it didn't look like one from my angle. It just looked like he bounced off the defender, but qwe deserved some luck. But I thought we should have got a penalty in one of the previous attacks when I think Kevin McMahon was fouled just inside the square.



Canty was taken down by O'Mahonys left left well inside the square. McMahon was fouled just outside

[KolaKubes]

Take off the red tinted specs.

Did you see what Sully did to comerford in 2004? The last day even?
Brian Murphy and Gardiner can be as cynical and physical as the rest. All teams do a bit of it.

For right or wrong, its part of the game. Now stop acting like a woman, You've been bleating about Kilkenny since last year, time you took the defeat on the chin like all good corkmen do. They are way better than us, its as simple as that. This year we can have absolutely no complaints about that.

Ehm, for wrong, and it shouldn't be part of the game.

Look Lamps, it's quite clear what sort of a player you were or are and where your sympathies lie in this debate.

For me, I always enjoyed good honest if hefty challenges but, for the life of me, could never fathom why someone hitting a dig off the ball was tolerated.

Quite frankly, it confused me because my natural inclination was to turn around and level someone when, obviously enough, I couldn't do that because it's I'd have seen the line.

It's not big, it's not clever and it adds nothing to the game.

If you don't think KK are any worse than Cork for such carry on, you clearly haven't a clue what you're watching.

I'm quite happy that the campaign against KK is going well actually. Both Jimmy Barry Murphy and Donal O'Grady were at pains to mention KK's "physicality" and "aggression" after the Cork game, as were all of RTE's own pundits.

There was no such talk when the "purists' favourites" bested Cork's sports scientists in 2006.

It'll help Cork's chances no end if this becomes the dominant pub discussion over the winter so either shut up or get with the programme.

[Lamps]

You said the same last year, how did your "campaign" go?

Cork didn't have the intensity to match Kilkenny in the physical stakes or the brains on the line to match Cody.

Simple as that. At least the footballers are standing up to Kerry, its not pretty but its the only way to beat them, and its the only way to beat Kilkenny.

[KolaKubes]

You said the same last year, how did your "campaign" go?

Cork didn't have the intensity to match Kilkenny in the physical stakes or the brains on the line to match Cody.

Simple as that. At least the footballers are standing up to Kerry, its not pretty but its the only way to beat them, and its the only way to beat Kilkenny.

The footballers nearly got beaten because of getting dragged into a running brawl.

What was needed was a cool head to take the steam out of it and get them to concentrate on their football.

That's not within Counihan's capacity, that's for the lads out on the field to do.

When the game was dead, essentially, they relaxed a little and got on with playing football. The scores they got late on might have come earlier if they'd had a wee bit of cop on.

As for the rest of it, there's a difference between good, tough hurling and the sneaky, dirty challenges. I'd like to see us up our game regarding the former but, equally, the latter cracked down on by the authorities. Seven sets of eyes on that field, they must see most of what goes on.

Even if we did go down the road of matching like with like, you must be mental if you think any set of officials would permit a Cork side to get away with what KK or Kerry do. Look what happens to the Dubs when they start like that. Red cards all over the shop.

The boggers hate the city crowds. Hell, even Cork's own boggers don't particularly like them!

[Johnnyc]

Canty was taken down by O'Mahonys left left well inside the square. McMahon was fouled just outside

Fair enough, I haven't got the chance to see it yet but am looking forward to watching it!

[Lamps]

Just stick to ManYoo Kola, its been established plenty of times that you don't have a clue what you're on about in either hurling or football.

I get the feeling you'd be a champion of the Mayo/Galway brand of football, and we all know how Kerry love playing against that. Cork have finally realised that to beat Kerry you have to get in their faces, Pearse O Neill has gotten the better of Dara twice now, by beating him at his own game, in the past Nicholas Murphy was being taken out by the same man who now sits in the stands cos he can't handle the sight of that certain player in a red jersey. Advantage Cork.
Michael Shields was taken out of the game by Galvin in the semi 2 years ago for the same thing, Shields is as big as Galvin these days and won't be pushed around. Canty was making sure the ref knew that Dara had to go yesterday, another old Kerry trick.
Something has happened to Cork in the last 2 years and they've decided to meet Kerry head on and I for one am delighted by it.

[KolaKubes]

Just stick to ManYoo Kola, its been established plenty of times that you don't have a clue what you're on about in either hurling or football.

I get the feeling you'd be a champion of the Mayo/Galway brand of football, and we all know how Kerry love playing against that. Cork have finally realised that to beat Kerry you have to get in their faces, Pearse O Neill has gotten the better of Dara twice now, by beating him at his own game, in the past Nicholas Murphy was being taken out by the same man who now sits in the stands cos he can't handle the sight of that certain player in a red jersey. Advantage Cork.
Michael Shields was taken out of the game by Galvin in the semi 2 years ago for the same thing, Shields is as big as Galvin these days and won't be pushed around. Canty was making sure the ref knew that Dara had to go yesterday, another old Kerry trick.
Something has happened to Cork in the last 2 years and they've decided to meet Kerry head on and I for one am delighted by it.

Yerra, I've hospitalised fellas at the throw in boss. If the ball is there I'm capable of anything but strictly within the rules of the game. I strongly suspect i've played at least as much GAA as you as well but whatever.

Throwing this back at you though, are you really espousing taking a fella out of it off the ball? Standing on the back of a fella's achilles. Giving a guy the butt of a hurley in the ribs, this sort of carry on?

I hope you're not involved in training any underage teams is all I can say.

Off for tea now, later alligator.

[Lamps]

Yerra, I've hospitalised fellas at the throw in boss. If the ball is there I'm capable of anything but strictly within the rules of the game. I strongly suspect i've played at least as much GAA as you as well but whatever.

Throwing this back at you though, are you really espousing taking a fella out of it off the ball? Standing on the back of a fella's achilles. Giving a guy the butt of a hurley in the ribs, this sort of carry on?

I hope you're not involved in training any underage teams is all I can say.

Off for tea now, later alligator.

Wouldn't be into the off the ball stuff at all, but if they start it, then we have to give it back, its that simple. And they will start it.

[D number 10]

The footballers nearly got beaten because of getting dragged into a running brawl.

!
have to agree, yesterday kerry upped their physical approach to the game to unsettle cork ... and it should have worked but didnt.
for me their reaction when DD got sent off was like they were expecting one of them to get sent off... they raised their game in a big way, like it had been talked about in the dressing room.

but the cork players now have a second chance and are now even wiser to kerry tactics

sly digs or falling over like you've been shot is not new but the best way to counter act it is to stick the ball over the bar, or in the back of the net...
a quick 'have a look at the scoreboard' to your dirty opponent is the best way to wind him up!!

[KolaKubes]

Wouldn't be into the off the ball stuff at all, but if they start it, then we have to give it back, its that simple. And they will start it.

I wouldn't really know. For whatever reason, I've not gotten that sort of treatment since I was playing underage. I always presumed it was fellas grew out of it. Played way way more soccer than GAA in my twenties but didn't really get much aggro there despite being a handy player. Few slaps thrown at me and the like but they were lunatics. I reckon if you don't dish it out, you won't get it in return in the medium to long term.

If Cork set their stall out to be aggressive but disciplined, laugh in the face of the Kerry antics, it would be a preferable solution to all this.

Hurling is a little bit different because the fouling KK are doing isn't so much dirty as cynical - tapping lads elbows notwithstanding. In that respect, I just think its up to the refs to watch out for it. You're still not sold on the idea that KK are challenging for the dropping ball in a way where they don't have any intention of playing it themselves, only leaving loose ball to a third player?

I have a few converts to that one since 06, now they're watching out for it.

Tommy Walsh did a masterclass of it straight in front of me up in Croker a fortnight ago.

[RonnyB]

Wouldn't be into the off the ball stuff at all, but if they start it, then we have to give it back, its that simple. And they will start it.

They'll start that stuff with the Cork lads cos they think we're soft. Tyrone wouldnt put up with that carry on so why should we? However it must be controlled aggression, we cant have a repeat of yesterday or the 2002 sendings off if we're to beat them. Pearse has the whole thing sussed & lets hope he doesnt react to the targetting he'll certainly get next sunday.

[Lamps]

They'll start that stuff with the Cork lads cos they think we're soft. Tyrone wouldnt put up with that carry on so why should we? However it must be controlled aggression, we cant have a repeat of yesterday or the 2002 sendings off if we're to beat them. Pearse has the whole thing sussed & lets hope he doesnt react to the targetting he'll certainly get next sunday.

It can be dressed up in many ways I guess, controlled agression is one way of putting it and that is what Kerry and Tyrone have perfected, they can be filthy when they need to be, compare Sean Cavangh and Whelan last week. Dublin are the opposite, just mindless skullduggery, we are probably getting nearer Kerry in that regard and thats whats driving dirty dara mad

[KolaKubes]

They'll start that stuff with the Cork lads cos they think we're soft. Tyrone wouldnt put up with that carry on so why should we? However it must be controlled aggression, we cant have a repeat of yesterday or the 2002 sendings off if we're to beat them. Pearse has the whole thing sussed & lets hope he doesnt react to the targetting he'll certainly get next sunday.

But they'd respond in a measured manner.

Stupid high challenges and late tackles, what good does that do?

Far better to bide your time and clean a fella out with a well-timed shoulder or "accidentally catching a fella" as you win the ball.

Ulster counties are very good at that stuff.

[Rebelred]

It can be dressed up in many ways I guess, controlled agression is one way of putting it and that is what Kerry and Tyrone have perfected, they can be filthy when they need to be, compare Sean Cavangh and Whelan last week. Dublin are the opposite, just mindless skullduggery, we are probably getting nearer Kerry in that regard and thats whats driving dirty dara mad

precisely. When they start dishing it out, we can do either one of two things. Ignore it and pretend its not happening, or we can stand up and let them see that those tactics just won't wash with us anymore. Thankfully, with Pearse leading the way, we are doing the former.

[mushypea]

Christ almighty - I had chest pains after the game yesterday.

Had front row seats - was leaning over the bar thinking here we go again, falling at the same hurdle - Kerry in Croker, Dara is a scumbag and how 35,000 had each paid €50 a ticket-then looked sideways towards the hill end - GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Our seats were surrounded by Kerry gang who had been hurling abuse at us - but I kept it in and said nothing, 2 mins later, penalty! :crazyeye:
And then I knew that we would not miss it.

I turned around to see the Kerry folk with their heads in their hands.
Couldn't happen to a nicer crowd......


Once again the papers are tipping Kerry - I think we'll beat them, I think we have them rattled!!!!!

Just out of interest-how many here were actually there

[redrebel]

was there ringside Cusack side...like you surrounded by kerry fans...Just the way I like it... never seen so many Kerry Jaws on the floor after full time..
as you said Mushy...couldnt happen a nicer crowd.
Finally my voice came back to me at 8pm last night.


I had €50 on them to win yest...but I have just paid another €50 for a ticket for next week..


you just cant buy this kind of drama anywhere else...

C'mon da rebels..

[mushypea]

didnt realise they were on ticketmaster.

looks like the lower hogan is sold out already :-(


I felt like turning around to them and saying "fuck you" - but im too much of a lady to do that:silly:

I had money on us to win, and I will back us again!

where did you get your ticket for?

[redrebel]

€45 again mushy.. I tried earlier on TMaster.. and the computer said No.

but tried again 10mins and got one lower cusack again ..boo -ya... dont go BEST available ..they send you up with the Gods .

Might be harder to get tickets this week with 2 other games going on... so get them early Id say.

Yeah... dont think they [kerry fans] fancy coming up again next week...bless em

I think the Kerry players might be more tired than our las...they have had to play 2 extra games than us.

[mushypea]

tired! it was a long trek back for them last night- the pigs!

just read the article on the home page-O Mahoney is prime eejit !

[the puerto rican feen]

Christ almighty - I had chest pains after the game yesterday.

Had front row seats - was leaning over the bar thinking here we go again, falling at the same hurdle - Kerry in Croker, Dara is a scumbag and how 35,000 had each paid €50 a ticket-then looked sideways towards the hill end - GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Our seats were surrounded by Kerry gang who had been hurling abuse at us - but I kept it in and said nothing, 2 mins later, penalty! :crazyeye:
And then I knew that we would not miss it.

I turned around to see the Kerry folk with their heads in their hands.
Couldn't happen to a nicer crowd......


Once again the papers are tipping Kerry - I think we'll beat them, I think we have them rattled!!!!!

Just out of interest-how many here were actually there

I was there

Bought the tickets on saturday from Ticketmaster, half way line, cusack stand, 10 rows from the sideline.

Surrounded by kerry people roaring abuse the whole game, stood up and waved at them all at the end ha ha

priceless

[Jim Comic]

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/mhqleyididsn/

[BlueSkies]

Pearse simply has to start midfield, preferably with Nicholas Murphy, Alan O'Connor has had enough opportunities at this stage.
I'd agree with replacing Spillane with Canty as well.
Shields or O'Leary to come in for Kieran O'Connor, who's out of place in the half back line.
I don't think we can afford to drop Goulding, bad and all as he was yesterday. He's a goal threat and we need that badly.
Anybody else think that Masters could do a good job for us at centre-forward, a la Ciaran McDonald? - taking the centre back out of the middle and delivering precise ball to the full forward line. I think it could be an option.

[Loftydog]

Despite all that happened yesterday and all the excitement at the end, people seem to forget that it was a remarkably bad game of football. The bad blood between these teams is totally getting in the way and the game itself seems to be incedental. Both teams can and should be ignoring all this shite and start playing football

[Langer Dan]

well well well.

I didn't see that coming. we got out of jail once again. now what was I saying about Couinihan being a lucky manager rather than any sort of tactical one. If thats the case then I'll take that with both hands.

Analysis. Wrong team picked again, which handed the initiative over to the animals from the first minute. We did incredibly well to be within a point having operated on about 35% possesion in the first half. Dara walking should have been the spur for us to kick on, but in a CONTROLLED fashion. We simply had no idea how to utilize the extra man. I would say keep it simple, avoid Star with the kickout and leave Canty roam around the middle as free man. We did everything but that. Donncha O Connor should be ashamed of himself today, thats TWICE in 4 games he's acted like a spolit child and nearly cost us the game. Both Cork goals were good, it was a peno, that diving little prick Mahoney knew exactly what he was doing when he ran across Canty and left the leg back. We got out of jail, but make no mistake about it, Kerry were rattled by what happened yesterday, they were badly rattled. I think now that we can win the replay, the monkey is off our backs in a sense.

But Counihan needs to bite the bullet and play his best team, this means 5 or 6 changes, and needs to be more along the lines of the one that finished the game yesterday. Shattered

Completely agree 100%

Counihan needs to stop fannying about and play his strongest 15.
Kerry were shattered after that, make no mistake.

We need to take the initiative now and play for a full 70.
To be fair Cork were by far the better team yesterday, from about the 69th minute on!:)

[Langer Dan]

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what an absolute disgrace, he should get a serious ban, Donncha's red should definitely be rescinded.

How that cheat can call himself a man is beyond me, utterly sickening.

[Lee Bushwacker]

Just stick to ManYoo Kola, its been established plenty of times that you don't have a clue what you're on about in either hurling or football.

I get the feeling you'd be a champion of the Mayo/Galway brand of football, and we all know how Kerry love playing against that. Cork have finally realised that to beat Kerry you have to get in their faces, Pearse O Neill has gotten the better of Dara twice now, by beating him at his own game, in the past Nicholas Murphy was being taken out by the same man who now sits in the stands cos he can't handle the sight of that certain player in a red jersey. Advantage Cork.
Michael Shields was taken out of the game by Galvin in the semi 2 years ago for the same thing, Shields is as big as Galvin these days and won't be pushed around. Canty was making sure the ref knew that Dara had to go yesterday, another old Kerry trick.
Something has happened to Cork in the last 2 years and they've decided to meet Kerry head on and I for one am delighted by it.

:D
Spot on Lamps.
1988 A.I. Final replay - Roughed up badly by Meath cnuts.
1990 A.I. Final - Even playing with 14 men for the entire 2nd half we gave
those arrogant boggers their own medicine with interest and won the double
in the process.
Better this than acting the "gentleman loser" in front of "Pathetic" Spillane & co. on The Sunday Game.
Cork footballers wear red - exactly the same colour as the European Rugby
champions ie. "when the going gets tough the tough get going" :cool:

[ho chi feen]

Diving is endemic in soccer, big difference.

There are some divers in the GAA too, and I'm sad to say it but the Cork Hurlers are the biggest culplrits of them all

Glad to see the prick getting caught for the penalty anyway... really, I rarely get worked up about diving, but that was one of the most farcical incidents I've ever seen- it's up there with Rivaldo against Turkey and Dida against Celtic.

There does seem to be a hell of a lot more simulation and exaggeration in both codes this season, on the games I've watched anyway.

[bigboyfoolish]

not too many shake handies at full time yesterday..

bit diappointing to be honest..

think cork and kerry are beginning to meet a little too often..

3 sent off the last day.. two sent off yesterday
while i'd be happy that we seem to be matching kerry with agression and physique there's an awful lot of venom around these days..

[Corcaigh32]

Was up the back of lower tier, saw a PROC Turkey flag to the right of me with me Swiss one........the look on the kerry lady's face next to me was worth every cent

[rebelrebel]

Haha that was me!! Some laugh alright.... the f***ing animals hadn't a clue what was going on.

I was waving the flag around like a total loon when Dirty Dara was sent off and it flew off the pole, so i had to compose myself and retrieve it!!

We were sitting next to a big mad kerry woman, the language outta her, you wouldn't here it from a docker, she'd eat barbed wire i'd say.
Fingers crossed for the right result next sunday, i couldn't stick listening to fair weather kerry fans gloat for another year.

[mushypea]

havent seen the match on tv, and they didn't turn up the sound in the Big Tree at all last night - so missed the analysis.

Dara was looking dashing as always.........but anyway......

what did they say about the diving??? The PROC are right, O Mahoney should be up for an Oscar for that performance, the dirty toe rag!

[bigboyfoolish]

even though we might have a case for an appeal..

we should take our medicine in relation to Donnchadh.

I don't think we should give them anything to use as a cause..

It'll be 'Do it For Darragh' anyway so the last thing we should do is give them something else to use as motivation..

[bigboyfoolish]

And I know there's probably been way too much made of the fact that
we've never beaten them in Croker but we simply have to beat them next Sunday.

There can be no more excuses.
Yesterday is over.
All about Sunday and even if we were not go on and win it
it would be a massive success to me if we were to stop them from a 3er

[Redshirter]

Pearse simply has to start midfield, preferably with Nicholas Murphy, Alan O'Connor has had enough opportunities at this stage.
I'd agree with replacing Spillane with Canty as well.
Shields or O'Leary to come in for Kieran O'Connor, who's out of place in the half back line.
I don't think we can afford to drop Goulding, bad and all as he was yesterday. He's a goal threat and we need that badly.
Anybody else think that Masters could do a good job for us at centre-forward, a la Ciaran McDonald? - taking the centre back out of the middle and delivering precise ball to the full forward line. I think it could be an option.

Masters Murphy and O'Leary must start the game if we are going to beat Kerry it is as simple as that O'Leary aggressive play is needed more than anything

[Redshirter]

When is the Cork team for sunday being announced is it tonight ?

[bigboyfoolish]

When is the Cork team for sunday being announced is it tonight ?

Even if it was I wouldn't believe a word of it..

these two teams know each other so well
the only element of surprise left in is the few starting line up
changes so any team that's named we is talkin a crash test dummy team..
:silly:

Can't believe D O Connor is appealing BTW.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID= 100151


Think he should take his medicine..

When lynch got off a couple of years ago it only seemed to backfire on us afterwards

[Redshirter]

With O'Se suspended will Kerry move Donaghy to midfield for the replay ? my guess is they will which is going to give the Cork backs a break that they are going to need

[RonnyB]

With O'Se suspended will Kerry move Donaghy to midfield for the replay ? my guess is they will which is going to give the Cork backs a break that they are going to need

I think they'd move Walsh there before Donaghy. If Bohane is fit, Griffin may move out to midfield.

[stevetharlear]

With O'Se suspended will Kerry move Donaghy to midfield for the replay ? my guess is they will which is going to give the Cork backs a break that they are going to need

I'd love it if they did, but they'd be mad to in fairness, he was only ever an average enough midfielder, he's the best in the business bar none in FF.

[Redshirter]

How much of a loss is O'Se going to be for Kerry ? ... Huge . Big . Small

[bigboyfoolish]

I think it's negligble..
When you think about it I suppose tyhe powers of
D O'Se were beginning to wane anyway.
He wasn't great on Sunday.
He didn't win a whole pile of clean ball and still they won all the breaks.

It has to be a worry that some young gun comes in
hungry as hell and hoovers up a load on Sunday..

They will already be motivated by a 'Do It For Darragh' buzz so I'm not sure it's
all that beneficial to us.

[West Cork and proud]

Its now or never. Its time we stoped talking Kerry up, yes good footballers but our lads could be just as good if they only believed in themselves a bit more. Got the tickets there I was a lucky bastard got some returned front row tickets. There has to be a big game somewhere in this Cork team, look at Tyrone they found one against Dublin and Cork had one againist Meath last year. Its a mental thing in Cork that we are not as skillful as Kerry, that mental thing needs to be smashed.

[bigboyfoolish]

I don't think it's a mental thing really and we shouldn't delude ourselves.

They are a fine side with many excellent players.
Donaghy/The three ó Sé's/ Gooch
Five players that would be have been easily good enough to make their great team
and probably five of the best players to ever play the game.

For long pathces on Sunday last we were outclassed, outplayed, out thought and out fought and never ever looked like even getting close.

How we even went in only a point down was more to do with Kerry petulance and idiocy than anything we were doing.
O'Mahony doing the fool and dissent gave us one handy free.
Marc O'Se moved another handy free in for us {of all people Marc O'Se}

We were utterly poxxed to get another day out.

But now that we have it who knows?

And while your passion is admirable once again WCAP.

You need a dose of realism too!

[Langer Dan]

All this admiration of Donaghy is a pile of crap, hes a big awkward bollocks who also happens to be a complete prick.

'good enough for their greatest team'
Not in a fit.........

[bigboyfoolish]

There's nothing awkward about him.
You need to take the blinkers off.

What can he not do in the game of Gaelic Football?
And how long have you known him?

I heard he's quite a sound fella..

Again he plays to win and you do what you can to win.
Our fellas need a bit more of it.

I don't want this to sound like I'm the leader of the 'KD' fan club but
snap out of Langer D.

He wins an All Ireland medal, Allstar and is voted footballer of the year in his first year.
He probably would have done the same last year had the final not been so one sided.
In the end he had to settle for his second All Ireland medal and All Star.
He's exceptional in the air.
He can win ugly ball too.
He can ship a shoulder. Take Pts off either foot. Has great hands.
Superb positional sense and awareness. Good at bringing others into it
like a full forward should.
Has the temperament for the big occasion.
Excellent composure on the ball and confident enouh to take on the goal chance when it presents itself.

So your articulation of 'Big Awkward Bollocks' was I think how you put it..

ah come on get off the stage..

[mushypea]

There's nothing awkward about him.
You need to take the blinkers off.

What can he not do in the game of Gaelic Football?
And how long have you known him?

I heard he's quite a sound fella..

Again he plays to win and you do what you can to win.
Our fellas need a bit more of it.

I don't want this to sound like I'm the leader of the 'KD' fan club but
snap out of Langer D.

He wins an All Ireland medal, Allstar and is voted footballer of the year in his first year.
He probably would have done the same last year had the final not been so one sided.
In the end he had to settle for his second All Ireland medal and All Star.
He's exceptional in the air.
He can win ugly ball too.
He can ship a shoulder. Take Pts off either foot. Has great hands.
Superb positional sense and awareness. Good at bringing others into it
like a full forward should.
Has the temperament for the big occasion.
Excellent composure on the ball and confident enouh to take on the goal chance when it presents itself.

So your articulation of 'Big Awkward Bollocks' was I think how you put it..

ah come on get off the stage..

and he spends half his time on the pitch MOANING in the ref's ear.....

you forgot that in your KD essay

[Lamps]

Donaghy is a despicable individual, of all the Kerry players, and there are a few, I dislike him the most.

And lets not forget his dive when Anthony Lynch hit fresh air a couple of years back either. This constant goading of the ref and opposition is a cancer on the game and he is its chief proponent

[Top Dog]

Its now or never. Its time we stoped talking Kerry up, yes good footballers but our lads could be just as good if they only believed in themselves a bit more. Got the tickets there I was a lucky bastard got some returned front row tickets. There has to be a big game somewhere in this Cork team, look at Tyrone they found one against Dublin and Cork had one againist Meath last year. Its a mental thing in Cork that we are not as skillful as Kerry, that mental thing needs to be smashed.

Are West Cork people not Kerrymen that wear shoes ?

[Top Dog]

All this admiration of Donaghy is a pile of crap, hes a big awkward bollocks who also happens to be a complete prick.

'good enough for their greatest team'
Not in a fit.........

He is also known by the name Donkey Donaghy

[bigboyfoolish]

Very mature..

You must have been up all night thinking that one that out

[Top Dog]

He is also known by the name Donkey Donaghy

On a more serious note when will we know who the Cork team for the replay is going to be ? Masters . O'Leary and probably Shields have got to get the start from the start if we are going to win

[West Cork and proud]

Are West Cork people not Kerrymen that wear shoes ?

Top Dog your obviously a tool, now back into your run down estate and grow a brain

[BlackAvon08]

It’s time for this Cork team to stand up and deliver.

They owe this one to themselves and to their supporters.

There can be no more excuses. We cannot face yet another embarrassingly inept performance like last Sunday (and the previous encounters with Kerry in Croke Park).

It’s pointless having football ability and potential if you never Deliver on the big stage. Let’s hope players like Lynch, Canty & Murphy don’t end up on the long list of great Cork footballers without an All Ireland Senior medal (Corkery, Kavanagh & Ciaran O’Sullivan to mention a few).

[bigboyfoolish]

The wheel eventually turns..

Wouldn't it be sweet to win Sunday lads..

What a win..

I think it would be as sweet as any victory over them ever...

[bigboyfoolish]

I was thinking there too..

For all Brolly and O'Rourke's talk about Cork.

In the Championship over the last three years they've won every match
except three.
Three cans of tanora and a bag of Ma Reillys for anyone who guesses who those three games were against??

[BlackAvon08]

I was thinking there too..

For all Brolly and O'Rourke's talk about Cork.

In the Championship over the last three years they've won every match
except three.
Three cans of tanora and a bag of Ma Reillys for anyone who guesses who those three games were against??

I know what you are saying but you can help feeling that the lads have failed to deliver each time on the big occasion. It just so happens that all these occasions were against Kerry due to the screwed up nature of the championship structure - but that's another discussion.

Let's hope Sunday will be the day we've been waiting for.

[Lapsy Pa]

Donaghy may be a fine footballer, and only the most biased would disagree, but there is no doubt that he is a tinker of the highest order.

He'll never be as highly regarded as his predecessors, even though he's probably better than them, because of his antics.

They were out 5 minutes before Cork on Sunday at half time and he spent that time moaning at the umpires and offering them advice on how to do their jobs...as if they need to be told.

His overall snarling demeanour and constant moaning also give credence to this argument, but the worst thing he did on sunday was trying to put off Hayes before the penalty. Absolute bullshit of the highest order.

If they play as well as they did the last day then Cork are in for it.
People go on about the fact that Cork didn't play at all but that was because they didn't allow Cork to play and it could, and probably will, happen again this Sunday.

Cork have all heart and belief in the world but they need to convert that into scores. Be a bit more direct and try and build up a lead, for once, and push on from there.

There's only so many times you can come back from such deficits......just ask the hurlers

[Annie Hall]

donaghy may be a fine footballer, and only the most biased would disagree, but there is no doubt that he is a tinker of the highest order.

He'll never be as highly regarded as his predecessors, even though he's probably better than them, because of his antics.

They were out 5 minutes before cork on sunday at half time and he spent that time moaning at the umpires and offering them advice on how to do their jobs...as if they need to be told.

His overall snarling demeanour and constant moaning also give credence to this argument, but the worst thing he did on sunday was trying to put off hayes before the penalty. Absolute bullshit of the highest order.

If they play as well as they did the last day then cork are in for it.
People go on about the fact that cork didn't play at all but that was because they didn't allow cork to play and it could, and probably will, happen again this sunday.

Cork have all heart and belief in the world but they need to convert that into scores. Be a bit more direct and try and build up a lead, for once, and push on from there.

There's only so many times you can come back from such deficits......just ask the hurlers



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[delzer]

look lads we all know that kerry as well as being a fine football team always will be a dirty cynical team. they know how to wind lads up and will always be throwing the sly digs off the ball and mouthing.

cork need to get over this and just play football their is enough talent in this cork team if they play to their potential they can win this

[diar2me]

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