Britain turning into a theocracy?

[starchaser]

while the Irish seem to have gotten rid of their Catholic theocracy, the Brits are going in the other directon..

and are starting to seriously consider Sharia Law


http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/816511/what-part-of-theocracy-does-this-man-not-understand.thtml

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

How can you stop people from following a different set of laws?

[starchaser]

lampdat -> its a thread.. leads on from the head of the Anglican Church said about sharia, and what Gordon Brown is doing with "Islamic Finance"...

to put it brutally and honestly - britain is whoring itself for the Islamic oil dollar. all that money going to the Middle East right now? they want a part of that... and fuck the consequences to the people of Britain.

nice, eh?

[starchaser]

"As they are the fastest growing religious group"

they arent. thats a lie put about by Islamists.

the fastest growing religion right now is actually Christianity - specifically the Evangelical revival that is sweeping Africa.

and Christianity is also making huge inroads into China. (and since its not threatening to the CP, the commies allow it..)

what Islamists never talk about is that in many Islamic countries , if you convert to something else, you will be sentenced to death for being an "apostate".

so , like the communist "belief" system in the past, i think you'll find that Islam is mostly a small group of fanatics built on a edifice of sand that will crumble away with the slightest push.

[markinmanc]

There have been plenty of schemes at getting people to resolve issues without resorting to the legal system.

This is another way.

So what.


I read the parade of filth calling itslef a piece of journalism, was little more than race hate imho.

[Poc Fada]

"Seriously considering" seems like a sensational slant on what is quoted in the article. He seems to be drawing a parallel from his own small understanding of certain Sharia principles (the article doesn't divulge which ones) and current British practice.

He also seems to be speaking less in his role as Lord Chief Justice, and more from his own socially-liberal perspective. Why else continue his promotion of inter-faith dialog? From his other actual plains for the modernised British judiciary it seems unlikely that he'd actually support adoption of community-specific measures. He's already criticised politicised sentencing and reactionary changes to the legal framework.

Imo, there is no question of whether Sharia Law should be introduced in any shape or form. Part of integrating with a culture is accepting the norms (even legal) that are in place already, as well as sharing these with all members of society.

This shouldn't be confused with the issue of Muslim integration in Ireland though. As they are the fastest growing religious group, I think we've shown a distinct lack of interest in educating people about the faith, even though we embrace the contribution they make to our society.

Good reply, well articulated. If only all religions would fuck off and leave us alone especially islam and the evangelicals that want to "impose" their beliefs on others.

I saw a quote from some comedian in the UK recently where he said that the reason he doesnt punch an idiot in the face is not because he respects them but because he has to tolerate them. In the same way he said he shouldn't have to respect religion, he should only have to tolerate it. Good point!

[pudgee]

Britain's already a country where the head of the church is also the head of state.

Hmm.

[Dwyer On Fire]

Britain's already a country where the head of the church is also the head of state.



To be fair the only power she's got is to make people bow in front of her. Not quite the same in Iran is it?

I think this is typical islamophobic hysteria in the UK though.

[trasnanadtonnta]

Good reply, well articulated. If only all religions would fuck off and leave us alone especially islam and the evangelicals that want to "impose" their beliefs on others.

I saw a quote from some comedian in the UK recently where he said that the reason he doesnt punch an idiot in the face is not because he respects them but because he has to tolerate them. In the same way he said he shouldn't have to respect religion, he should only have to tolerate it. Good point!

Who's "us"? You mean the minority of the world's population that isn't religious, is it? Fecking democratic principles, eh? If only "we" could tell those other billions of idiots to cop on or fuck off.

We live in a post-Enlightenment, liberal-dominated society. Tolerance is its first virtue. If that comedian loves somewhere where people are actually expected to respect those different from them, I'd love to know where it is so I could move there.

[Professor Piehead]

If the muslims want sharia law then they should fuck off to a country that has it.

[Poc Fada]

Who's "us"? You mean the minority of the world's population that isn't religious, is it?


Yes. I'd include religious people who are reasonable in their beliefs and not absolute.


Fecking democratic principles, eh? If only "we" could tell those other billions of idiots to cop on or fuck off.


Doesnt matter whether its a democracy or a dictatorship IMO - too much respect is shown to religion. A recent example is the case in Kerry when a muslim refused to shake a woman's hand in Tralee when asked to accept an award from her because of some totally unreasonable religious belief.

I think anyone who respects his right to do that is a fool. I'll tolerate his kids wearing head scarfs for example but wouldnt respect it because I think its ridiculous.

I'll tolerate any other minor quirk of his religion (or any other religion but islam appears to be the one that causes Westerners to bawk most with its weird customs and eccentricities) as long as it doesnt impact on what I think is reasonable.

There was a bunch of Holy Joes in a circle praying in Daunt Square last week kissing a statue of the virgin mary looking very worried - they don't bother me and vice versa but I felt sorry for how pathetic they looked (I'm sure the feeling was mutual). If Johnny Muslim wants to do the same that's grand by me. Although I'd rather they stuck to their churches and mosques.

Its the absolutism of all religions that needs to be tackled.

[DaisyM]

If the muslims want sharia law then they should fuck off to a country that has it.

I agree, although wouldn't have worded it quite like that. People on here don't tolerate me having such blunt views. See what I did there?

[Professor Piehead]

I agree, although wouldn't have worded it quite like that. People on here don't tolerate me having such blunt views. See what I did there?

I did.

Sorry, I get a bit fed up with the appeasers of this abomination. Ok, build your temples, build your schools, whatever. But wanting a seperate system of law is a step too far. It'll start with civil matters, divorce and the like, and then they'll be wanting to hang gays and stone adulterers.

Respect and abide by the ways/laws/customs of the nation you've chosen to adopt, or fuck off, it might be blunt, but I can't think of how to put it another way.

[Professor Piehead]

Arguably the worst part of nations that allow this type of tandem legal system is that rather than continue to advance the less-tolerant one, it actually drags back the other. Look at Nigeria, where Sharia is permitted in the North (I may be wrong with my bearings). It's after completely dominating that area, and conventional judges are finding themselves under pressure to adopt similarly stringent punishments.

In a perfect world, Sharia law would, if introduced, be expected to change and reflect the nation it occupies rather than the religion it represents. But this is fantasy, since you'd have to expect massive social changes from a section of the religion that can only be described as fundamentalist.

Saudi wahhabis have their hands all over that one. We've spent a thousand years getting away from trial by ordeal and the ducking stool etc, if a minority of people want to go back to the seventh century, then go to a country that embraces it, instead of insulting us.

[Professor Piehead]

While I'm agreeing, I still reckon this is mountains out of molehill stuff. An odd speech or two in front of Muslim groups doesn't represent a policy change. Starchaser needs to stop confusing news and opinion.

It might be alarmist, but it's not a great stretch of the imagination to see where it will lead. Enoch might not be quite the crackpot he's made out to be.

[markinmanc]

It might be alarmist, but it's not a great stretch of the imagination to see where it will lead. Enoch might not be quite the crackpot he's made out to be.

Various strands of Islam, Christianity and Judaism are pushing for theocracy all the time.

Get over it.

[Professor Piehead]

Various strands of Islam, Christianity and Judaism are pushing for theocracy all the time.

Get over it.

Jews pushing for a theocracy in the UK, I must have missed that, tell me more.

[pudgee]

three pages in and we haven't had a 'dhimmitude' yet.

Tut.

[liam2me]

I did.

Sorry, I get a bit fed up with the appeasers of this abomination. Ok, build your temples, build your schools, whatever. But wanting a seperate system of law is a step too far. It'll start with civil matters, divorce and the like, and then they'll be wanting to hang gays and stone adulterers.

Respect and abide by the ways/laws/customs of the nation you've chosen to adopt, or fuck off, it might be blunt, but I can't think of how to put it another way.

nail on the head methinks