Six plus Five

[Echoboy]

Here la (http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_ NAME=soccer/08/05/30/SOCCER_FIFA_Lead.htm l)

[VzN]

Racism

[Echoboy]

Racism

Very profound.

[Echoboy]

Except in their last three wins of this years campaign, Newcastle had a 6-5 split in favour of foreign players. They had a majority English squad for their last game of the season, the defeat to Everton.

How many foreign players did Everton have for that game?

[liam2me]

a completely illegal rule that the EU will block. end of story

[Echoboy]

a completely illegal rule that the EU will block. end of story

They wont block it outright, they are in talks about it so you cant dismiss anything until they are over at least.

[Forsberg]

They wont block it outright, they are in talks about it so you cant dismiss anything until they are over at least.

It's more likely that an alternative 4+4 rule will be implemented, where 4 players have to have been trained by the club for three( I think) years between the ages of 15 and 21 and another four have to be trained within the country in the same time frame (according to an article in the Sunday Times yesterday).

All this will mean is that clubs will just focus more of their scouting towards the youth systems of Brazil, Argentina, Spain etc. This is already happening anyway

[ebenezer]

Six plus Five


Eleven, I think.

Don't quote me on this.

[Echoboy]

Eleven, I think.

Don't quote me on this.

Nah biy, tis 65

[delzer]

eu said it was illegal here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1022517/FIFAs-grand-plan-limit-clubs-foreigners-illegal-say-EU-chiefs.html

[Coin]

the overall quality of the league would fall since this barrier would be in place for all teams.
That's exactly it. The overall quality falls, providing greater parity between the teams in the league. The financial edge of the big teams is lessened.

Question is though, will it just end up that the top 20 English players are split between Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal, and the gap will remain as wide as ever.

As a side affect, this will probably reduce the total number of transfers, which should reduce the power of agents, which is a very good thing.

[POL]

racialisim

[Coin]

By the way, one of the aims of the EU is supposed to be to improve the lives of its citizens. Soccer is a big part of peoples lives, and generally it is felt that the more people who are involved in a sport the better - personal health, community spirit and that sort of thing. If UEFA can show that the current set up is damaging soccer in some countries, the EU will be amenable to changing the law.

[ho chi feen]

Actually, seeing as England has become the biggest problem area, I would suggest a simple step that might help matters- scrap the academies scheme. This won't make much difference to the Arsenals of this world, but for the likes of United and Liverpool, it will make a huge difference. Tying English kids down to the youth schemes of clubs within 90 minutes drive, with no such restriction on foreign youngsters, is absurd. For sure, the trend is towards foreign players, but when you see the lack of native talent coming though the ranks of clubs that have consistently championed nurturing English youngsters, a massive part of the blame must be laid at the door of this well-intentioned, but ultimately hare-brained FA scheme which is not fit for purpose- the opposite, in fact.

[liam2me]

Actually, seeing as England has become the biggest problem area, I would suggest a simple step that might help matters- scrap the academies scheme. This won't make much difference to the Arsenals of this world, but for the likes of United and Liverpool, it will make a huge difference. Tying English kids down to the youth schemes of clubs within 90 minutes drive, with no such restriction on foreign youngsters, is absurd. For sure, the trend is towards foreign players, but when you see the lack of native talent coming though the ranks of clubs that have consistently championed nurturing English youngsters, a massive part of the blame must be laid at the door of this well-intentioned, but ultimately hare-brained FA scheme which is not fit for purpose- the opposite, in fact.
i think West Ham would have a thing or two to say about that, the youth academy has quite a high representation of it's graduates on english teams at various age groups, both currently and historically.

[ho chi feen]

i think West Ham would have a thing or two to say about that, the youth academy has quite a high representation of it's graduates on english teams at various age groups, both currently and historically.

West Ham are only doing what they've always done (and what Arsenal should, IMHO)- drawing on their massive catchment area.

Fair fucks to them too- look how many of the best English players now came through their set up.

[Dangermouse]

6+5 in favour of English born players (Anichebe and Carsley both are British citizens).

Place of birth isn't the issue; it's country the player is eligible to represent. Which would probably discourage a lot of players declaring for countries other than the one they're playing in. No more Jon Mackens playing for us, for a start.

[liam2me]

West Ham are only doing what they've always done (and what Arsenal should, IMHO)- drawing on their massive catchment area.

Fair fucks to them too- look how many of the best English players now came through their set up.
arsenals catchment area isn't that big to be fair, never mind the fact they have to split that area with tottenham. london isn't that easy to call WRT who gets what picks as their are so many teams, where west ham is lucky is that they have all of essex and a lot of kent all to themselves (as the nearest prem team geographically) to pick from + the good reputation of it's youth academy as one of the best does give us a head-start

[ho chi feen]

arsenals catchment area isn't that big to be fair, never mind the fact they have to split that area with tottenham. london isn't that easy to call WRT who gets what picks as their are so many teams, where west ham is lucky is that they have all of essex and a lot of kent all to themselves (as the nearest prem team geographically) to pick from + the good reputation of it's youth academy as one of the best does give us a head-start

90 minutes drive man- that's the whole of London.

[liam2me]

90 minutes drive man- that's the whole of London.
don't know what time of day you're driving at, but you'd be lucky to drive across london in 90 mins. anyway i don't see why you're mentioning it, london has so many teams it's not really what you would call arsenal's exclusive (as much as any area can be these days) catchment area