Ronadlo - What would you sell him for

[Rebelred]

Every player has his price. I hope there's not a United fan out there who honestly believes this lad will be plying his trade at Old Trafford in anything over 4 years time.

But with Madrids consistent hounding, it's lead me to ask, what bid would tempt you to offload him this summer.
purely as a bit of fun.
Poll to follow.

[ebenezer]

€2,500,000.

[AmadeusDC]

€55 Million + Robinho, Sergio Ramos

Anyone of the offers from this one onwards and United should bite their hand off!!! FFS, the one that includes Casillas would be the coup of the century!

-AmadeusDC-

[dotty]

question is when is ronaldos stock at its highest?

has to be close at the moment imo,maybe a strong euros will put another few million onto his price tag.

of the players mentioned in the swap deal only ramos appeals who has been having contractual issues with the club the past 6 months but he still a fans favourite,a fine player who will only continue to get better.

robinho is too hit and miss for me,quality when he wants to be but think madrid have run out of patience,a fit robben will keep him out of the side,dont think he would be suited to the PL,diarra has been a flop and real just simply want to offload.

if united were to sell i would want it to be a straight up cash only deal.

[AmadeusDC]

question is when is ronaldos stock at its highest?

has to be close at the moment imo,maybe a strong euros will put another few million onto his price tag.

of the players mentioned in the swap deal only ramos appeals who has been having contractual issues with the club the past 6 months but he still a fans favourite,a fine player who will only continue to get better.

robinho is too hit and miss for me,quality when he wants to be but think madrid have run out of patience,a fit robben will keep him out of the side,dont think he would be suited to the PL,diarra has been a flop and real just simply want to offload.

if united were to sell i would want it to be a straight up cash only deal.


I don't think there is a club in the world that shouldn't take Casillas if he became available.

-AmadeusDC-

[Rebelred]

I don't think there is a club in the world that shouldn't take Casillas if he became available.

-AmadeusDC-

that's why I threw him in there. If Madrid came to the table with him (they never will but it's all hypothetical) then I'd bite their hand off.

[ho chi feen]

that's why I threw him in there. If Madrid came to the table with him (they never will but it's all hypothetical) then I'd bite their hand off.

Agreed.

[skibbereen feen]

Half a granny smith and a flat bar of dairy milk.Thon there is a bastard!

[Fr. Turncoat]

I don't think there is a club in the world that shouldn't take Casillas if he became available.

-AmadeusDC-

Top keeper in Europe this season, and in the top three for a long time now.
Would solve a problem for UTD that may prove more difficult to solve than the hole left by Ronaldo, should he leave.

[RonnyB]

The big money deal. Dont think all their cast offs joining the United squad at once would be the best thing from a United point of view.

Then Fergie could go back & sign Casillas.

[Roman Abramovich]

lads lets border reality here.
sergio ramos is worth at the very least 25m sterling and robinho is worth at least 20m sterling.

them two players would strengthen man utd more than keeping ronaldo.
if real offered sergio ramos plus 25m then id bite their hand off because.
ronaldo is a luxury item in the current utd team. fergie adjusts formations etc, plays rooney out of position etc and gives ronaldo free role to do what he wants.

ramos is one of the best defenders in the market. better than alves who yere willing to pay 25m for. not only that but hell score 6-7 goals a year and get 6-7 assists. Maybe even more at utd considering how good ferdi and vidic are.

ronaldos price for leaving utd in my opinon is 55m.
anything less than that turn down, more than that bite hand off.

ramos and 25m on say ribery would be way way way more value for money than ronaldo. put rooney back into the centre and start playing 4-4-2 again.

[dotty]

havent seen/heard a deal where he is supposed to be part of it (casillas) but agree with everyone so far if he were to be offered united would be stupid to not at least consider it.

[Up For The Ba]

He`s at his most marketable now. If Real are stupid enough to pay €140M, then thats the deal of the century.

[Up For The Ba]

havent seen/heard a deal where he is supposed to be part of it (casillas) but agree with everyone so far if he were to be offered united would be stupid to not at least consider it.

Its pointless putting that in, why would they consider Casillas as part of any deal? I fail to see why they would even include Ramos to be honest.

[ho chi feen]

havent seen/heard a deal where he is supposed to be part of it (casillas) but agree with everyone so far if he were to be offered united would be stupid to not at least consider it.

Yup, the Marca fabrication is cash + Diarra + Robinho + Ramos. I don't want Robinho or Diarra, tbh. Ramos is another matter. As for Casillas, even Real Madrid aren't that stupid.

Anyway lads, this is all Marca inspired bull crap. I've been following the story there. They simply cannot afford Ronaldo (they seem to think offering him an Audi is a deal-breaker, FFS), and aside from Ramos (which I don't believe for a second), are offering inferior players who aren't needed.

Fuck 'em.

[Fr. Turncoat]

Its pointless putting that in, why would they consider Casillas as part of any deal? I fail to see why they would even include Ramos to be honest.
Ramos is tied into a long term contract at Real, something like 8 years. he is trying to renegotiate a new one. As such, he is being touted around Europe to call Madrid's hand on it.
Agree with Roman, he would be a class buy, and also agree that UTD may even be better off without him. I feel Rooney needs the team built around him so he can really reach his full potential. If they get silly money and good players in return, they should take it, especially as UTD will not sell him if he does not want to go. If he wants to go, then the best of luck to him, no player who doesn't want to stay at UTD should be kept.

[POL]

Ramos is tied into a long term contract at Real, something like 8 years. he is trying to renegotiate a new one. As such, he is being touted around Europe to call Madrid's hand on it.
Agree with Roman, he would be a class buy, and also agree that UTD may even be better off without him. I feel Rooney needs the team built around him so he can really reach his full potential. If they get silly money and good players in return, they should take it, especially as UTD will not sell him if he does not want to go. If he wants to go, then the best of luck to him, no player who doesn't want to stay at UTD should be kept.brylcream or gel today?

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

He missed a penalty in the Champions League final. Enough said.
Were his tears tears of joy or tears of guttedness? The latter.

He's also ghey

[ho chi feen]

He missed a penalty in the Champions League final. Enough said.

And Baggio and Baresi missed penalties in a World Cup final.

Your point?

[Roman Abramovich]

utd almost have a complete side to carry them foward longterm

right back, goalie, left wing, striker.

30m sterling & ramos
having a ramos type at the club would be vital. the guy is quality.
igor akinfeev would be a great buy this year to back up vandersar. Think hes the next big keeper say 5m.
they could sign pranjic to compete with giggs and nani say 10m.
then sign a decent foward to mix it with tevez, saha and rooney. even gomez would be worth a punt, but if they wanted to go for huntelar then theyd only need to spend another 10m.

[ho chi feen]

utd almost have a complete side to carry them foward longterm

right back, goalie, left wing, striker.

30m sterling & ramos
having a ramos type at the club would be vital. the guy is quality.
igor akinfeev would be a great buy this year to back up vandersar. Think hes the next big keeper say 5m.
they could sign pranjic to compete with giggs and nani say 10m.
then sign a decent foward to mix it with tevez, saha and rooney. even gomez would be worth a punt, but if they wanted to go for huntelar then theyd only need to spend another 10m.

Are you for real? Nobody's going to get Akinfeev for anything close to that. Even landing him for £10m would be a coup.

[Rebelred]

havent seen/heard a deal where he is supposed to be part of it (casillas) but agree with everyone so far if he were to be offered united would be stupid to not at least consider it.

it's me making it up, of course there's a good chance this will all be in Marca tomorrow ;)

All Hypothetical lads, but everyone has their price and I just thought it would be interesting to see what people would go for.

[Roman Abramovich]

Are you for real? Nobody's going to get Akinfeev for anything close to that. Even landing him for £10m would be a coup.

i heard hes got a clause in his contract that was for 5m. The only reason big clubs id say wont risk it is that hes rumoured to have very very dodgey knees and mightn pass a medical.

and he mightn even be russias number1 keeper in the euros so who knows.

[ho chi feen]

i heard hes got a clause in his contract that was for 5m. The only reason big clubs id say wont risk it is that hes rumoured to have very very dodgey knees and mightn pass a medical.

and he mightn even be russias number1 keeper in the euros so who knows.

Not AFAIK. Had something similar in his old contract, but that was sorted about 2 years back.

[Roman Abramovich]

Not AFAIK. Had something similar in his old contract, but that was sorted about 2 years back.

ya but isnt there something tied in to champions league and arent they now going to be in the uefa cup triggering a clause?

i dont know im sure i read it about last year.

[Up For The Ba]

Ben Foster anyone? United dont need a Ramos at the moment either, especially at that money. If Ronaldo stays, which he more than likely will, a striker is all they should be looking for. Having said that they might wait to see if Manucho gets his work permit during the summer and I suppose see how good the guy is aswell!

[STEVIEG]

No point in selling him unless he really wants to go

Where will all these millions go?

Cheaper tickets?

yeah right

To servicing the debt and possibly replacing him with someone not as good (Ribery, Robinho etc)

No point in selling your best players unless they are past it or REALLY want to go

If he does really want to go all the best to him BUT i think it would be silly joining that circus of a club

Check this scenario aswell

next year

Barca with Messi fit and a new manager win the league
Real madrid lose and limp out of Champions league
Ronaldo does well but gets about 25 goals and loses what must surely now be his World player of the year crown to Messi
A step up on 2007 and 2008????
Don't think so

Real madrid is not guaranteed to be a good move

There is nowhere up after United unless you are a Rossi/Forlan figure, it is my honest opinion that he is at the best club in the world right now and should give it a few more years

But noone is bigger than the club and United will flourish either way IMO, though i hope it is with young Ronaldo at the helm

[ANVIL]

A lot would depend on Euro 2008 - if he looks average on the big stage as he did in the Champions League Final all you'll hear is the sound of doors being slammed shut.

[ANVIL]

No point in selling him unless he really wants to go

Where will all these millions go?

Cheaper tickets?

yeah right

To servicing the debt and possibly replacing him with someone not as good (Ribery, Robinho etc)

No point in selling your best players unless they are past it or REALLY want to go

If he does really want to go all the best to him BUT i think it would be silly joining that circus of a club

Check this scenario aswell

next year

Barca with Messi fit and a new manager win the league
Real madrid lose and limp out of Champions league
Ronaldo does well but gets about 25 goals and loses what must surely now be his World player of the year crown to Messi
A step up on 2007 and 2008????
Don't think so

Real madrid is not guaranteed to be a good move

There is nowhere up after United unless you are a Rossi/Forlan figure, it is my honest opinion that he is at the best club in the world right now and should give it a few more years

But noone is bigger than the club and United will flourish either way IMO, though i hope it is with young Ronaldo at the helm

Trouble is Ronaldo dances a pretty waltz around average Derby defenders but I repeat - he has yet to prove himself consistently on the big stage.

[STEVIEG]

A lot would depend on Euro 2008 - if he looks average on the big stage as he did in the Champions League Final all you'll hear is the sound of doors being slammed shut.

yes, good point

Those 8 european goals, including an amazing one in the final, were all flukes, as was the top class pass to Tevez that should have sealed the game early on

He has done it in Euro 2004 when he was far from a world class player, so i think he will have no problem performing again these next few weeks

[DogTheLangerHunter]

I'm sure someone has pointed this out but his buy out clause is £70 mil which is what Madrid say they can pay.

[ANVIL]

yes, good point

Those 8 european goals, including an amazing one in the final, were all flukes, as was the top class pass to Tevez that should have sealed the game early on

He has done it in Euro 2004 when he was far from a world class player, so i think he will have no problem performing again these next few weeks

You've got to be kidding - an unmarked header in front of an open goal
" amazing "

[STEVIEG]

You've got to be kidding - an unmarked header in front of an open goal
" amazing "

Top quality goal, helped seal his status as a top player on the biggest occassion in club football

I suppose the header against Roma, a team who dispatched of Real madrid quiet easily, was a tap in too?

maybe those 42 goals were just flukes

[DogTheLangerHunter]

Top quality goal, helped seal his status as a top player on the biggest occassion in club football

I suppose the header against Roma, a team who dispatched of Real madrid quiet easily, was a tap in too?

maybe those 42 goals were just flukes

Every single one of them,without exception.He only scored them cos he dives a lot.

[Professor Piehead]

I wouldn't have bought such a disgusting character in the first place, the sooner he has a career ending injury the better.

[STEVIEG]

I wouldn't have bought such a disgusting character in the first place, the sooner he has a career ending injury the better.

I'd prefer Pennant myself

[DogTheLangerHunter]

Shur he's aways up for a bit of craic*




*heads for door

[Professor Piehead]

I'd prefer Pennant myself

Best to keep your sexual fantasies off here Stevie.

[STEVIEG]

Best to keep your sexual fantasies off here Stevie.

If you are more of Jean Arne Risse man fair enough

[ho chi feen]

yes, good point

Those 8 european goals, including an amazing one in the final, were all flukes, as was the top class pass to Tevez that should have sealed the game early on

He has done it in Euro 2004 when he was far from a world class player, so i think he will have no problem performing again these next few weeks

Not to mention scoring against every PL team this season except the mighty Man City.

[STEVIEG]

Not to mention scoring against every PL team this season except the mighty Man City.

And he missed the first game against the top 4 Champions League contenders

[ANVIL]

Top quality goal, helped seal his status as a top player on the biggest occassion in club football

I suppose the header against Roma, a team who dispatched of Real madrid quiet easily, was a tap in too?

maybe those 42 goals were just flukes

Away off and play some more Bee Gees records.:roll:

[ho chi feen]

Away off and play some more Bee Gees records.:roll:

Good points, well made...

[STEVIEG]

Away off and play some more Bee Gees records.:roll:

Great point, well made

You always know when the less intelligent are out of their depth around here, when they get personal on the sports forum

as for the Bee Gee's, not really my thing, but they had their moments

PS-i'd say stick to the langers forum

PPS-Snap (Ho Chi)

[DogTheLangerHunter]

Away off and play some more Bee Gees records.:roll:

Succinct my dear friend,marks will be docked for straying off task though.

:rolleyes:

[ANVIL]

Great point, well made

You always know when the less intelligent are out of their depth around here, when they get personal on the sports forum

as for the Bee Gee's, not really my thing, but they had their moments

PS-i'd say stick to the langers forum

PPS-Snap (Ho Chi)

Sorry - I really should have said anything from Pop Idol !

[STEVIEG]

Sorry - I really should have said anything from Pop Idol !

and make yourself look like even more of an idiot (some achievment all the same though)

Kudos

[DogTheLangerHunter]

His friends will hear all about this and how they will laugh,he'll be a total ledge for slagging off that guy who's on the radio.

[ANVIL]

His friends will hear all about this and how they will laugh,he'll be a total ledge for slagging off that guy who's on the radio.

Is he on the radio ?
Christ,sorry.... I just thought he had a mobile disco that did weddings and stuff.
Apologies - is it a well-known station ?

PS: To answer the question - if he goes Fergie will go too.The fans wouldn't stand for it.They'll soon be revolting ...

[STEVIEG]

PS: To answer the question - if he goes Fergie will go too.The fans wouldn't stand for it.They'll soon be revolting ...

Thanks for getting back to the point

Fergie is far bigger than Ronaldo though

and fan revolts won't do jack shit

It's all down to the player really

And if he really wanst to go nothing will stop him

Stupid of him though if he does IMO, he would be better off waiting till a few years and assessing the situation then

[ANVIL]

Thanks for getting back to the point

Fergie is far bigger than Ronaldo though

and fan revolts won't do jack shit

It's all down to the player really

And if he really wanst to go nothing will stop him

Stupid of him though if he does IMO, he would be better off waiting till a few years and assessing the situation then


Problem is Ronaldo knows he'll never be admired by the majority of British fans because despite all the undoubted skill his histrionics and cheating do not go down well in the Premiership - ask Drogba.
Even though he's had a crap season they still prefer Rooney for honest if somewhat overheated play.
Which is why I think Ronaldo will go particularly if Manyoo's owners are offered silly money - it is a business after all.

Er ...any chance of a request for the 'aul doll ?
Something to get her in the mood ...

[STEVIEG]

Problem is Ronaldo knows he'll never be admired by the majority of British fans because despite all the undoubted skill his histrionics and cheating do not go down well in the Premiership - ask Drogba.
Even though he's had a crap season they still prefer Rooney for honest if somewhat overheated play.
Which is why I think Ronaldo will go particularly if Manyoo's owners are offered silly money - it is a business after all.

Er ...any chance of a request for the 'aul doll ?
Something to get her in the mood ...

heh heh heh

yeah i don't really think the admiration from the Brit fans will matter, he is pretty much caught up in his own bubble anyway

I don't really have a problem with his vanity as he delivers so much on the on the pitch, Rooney is defo more of a fans favourite in many ways (works hard, not selfish, plays for the team) but i doubt the Everton fans will agree

anyway, it will be a long summer, especially for the Engerlund footy press with no euros for them, and i expect this to run and run (and maybe then dive or get tackled really badly and late, possibly winning a free-kick)

[ANVIL]

heh heh heh

yeah i don't really think the admiration from the Brit fans will matter, he is pretty much caught up in his own bubble anyway

I don't really have a problem with his vanity as he delivers so much on the on the pitch, Rooney is defo more of a fans favourite in many ways (works hard, not selfish, plays for the team) but i doubt the Everton fans will agree

anyway, it will be a long summer, especially for the Engerlund footy press with no euros for them, and i expect this to run and run (and maybe then dive or get tackled really badly and late, possibly winning a free-kick)

It's not a question of vanity - it's a question of cheating and the two are entirely different.
Ronaldo is a great player who doesn't need to cheat but he does.
Don't tell me you're prepared to overlook cheating because of greatness because if you do I'll know you're a typical Manyoo fan talking out of your arse.
It's exactly like Ferguson - great manager but not respected by other team's fans in the way someone like Shankley,Moyes,Venab les etc are and were because Ferguson will lie,cheat and bully officials and referees rather than to admit any blame for his team.

[STEVIEG]

It's not a question of vanity - it's a question of cheating and the two are entirely different.
Ronaldo is a great player who doesn't need to cheat but he does.
Don't tell me you're prepared to overlook cheating because of greatness because if you do I'll know you're a typical Manyoo fan talking out of your arse.
It's exactly like Ferguson - great manager but not respected by other team's fans in the way someone like Shankley,Moyes,Venab les etc are and were because Ferguson will lie,cheat and bully officials and referees rather than to admit any blame for his team.

Moyes is more respected than Fergie (new to me)

Good manager but come on now he has a way to go

Venebles can't even get the Irish job such is his rep

Some of Fergies biggest opponents gloss over the often embarassing behaviour and antics of wenger and co

Fergie can be a cunt but he is a United cunt and that's the way i like it

And no, i'm not saying Ronaldo is a saint

But he gets kicked around more than almost anyone and is often no worse than the likes of Rooney, Gerrard, Drogba, Henry and co on the diving front

and he doesn't go hacking down players and never trys to injure his fellow pros (Ashley Co, Thatcher, Gerrard, Essien, our own Roy, Michael Brown etc)

The fact that opposition fans hate him so much is a bonus

This is partly how Fergie has built his success, and the siege mentality he builds is still existing and working

[dancefreak2003]

Moyes is more respected than Fergie (new to me)

Good manager but come on now he has a way to go

Venebles can't even get the Irish job such is his rep

Some of Fergies biggest opponents gloss over the often embarassing behaviour and antics of wenger and co

Fergie can be a cunt but he is a United cunt and that's the way i like it

And no, i'm not saying Ronaldo is a saint

But he gets kicked around more than almost anyone and is often no worse than the likes of Rooney, Gerrard, Drogba, Henry and co on the diving front

and he doesn't go hacking down players and never trys to injure his fellow pros (Ashley Co, Thatcher, Gerrard, Essien, our own Roy, Michael Brown etc)

The fact that opposition fans hate him so much is a bonus

This is partly how Fergie has built his success, and the siege mentality he builds is still existing and working

great post

[ANVIL]

So - cheating is alright then.
Yep,Manyoo fans to the core.
It might surprise you that there are actually still supporters out there who prefer games to be played by the rules and in the spirit of fair play.
Unfashionable,I know,but not everyone is consumed by greed and a desire to win at all costs.... sat on their fat arses in an armchair drinking warm cans of Dutch Gold.

[STEVIEG]

So - cheating is alright then.
Yep,Manyoo fans to the core.
It might surprise you that there are actually still supporters out there who prefer games to be played by the rules and in the spirit of fair play.
Unfashionable,I know,but not everyone is consumed by greed and a desire to win at all costs.... sat on their fat arses in an armchair drinking warm cans of Dutch Gold.

Where did anyone say cheating was alright?

Are you not as Liverpool fan? (something must explain the bitterness)

Do you ever cheer on Torress or Gerrard??

I know you might not have had much to cheer but 4th is good (3rd is better)

[ANVIL]

Where did anyone say cheating was alright?

Are you not as Liverpool fan? (something must explain the bitterness)

Do you ever cheer on Torress or Gerrard??

I know you might not have had much to cheer but 4th is good (3rd is better)

Guess what Stevie baby - this may surprise you but I don't support any team.I'll watch them all and cheer for them all,provided they play good football in the spirit it was intended.
Early season Arsenal played superb football but drifted away and the remainder was a great tussle between the top two that went to the wire - what more could you want in a season.
I just don't like cheats,divers or whingers. ... all the top teams have them but I just think Manyoo are led from the top in that respect.

PS: Or people who jump to conclusions.

[xvis]

So - cheating is alright then.
Yep,Manyoo fans to the core.
It might surprise you that there are actually still supporters out there who prefer games to be played by the rules and in the spirit of fair play.
Unfashionable,I know,but not everyone is consumed by greed and a desire to win at all costs.... sat on their fat arses in an armchair drinking warm cans of Dutch Gold.

..Go on then, ..make a list of cheating instances from Ronaldo from throughout the season.


When you're finished with that list, I'll make a list of occassions Ronaldo has produced it on the big stage this season.



***


80,000,000 stg, ...and we'd consider talking.

[STEVIEG]

I just don't like cheats,divers or whingers. ... all the top teams have them but I just think Manyoo are led from the top in that respect.



I presume you weren't cheering for Chelsea in the Champions League last week so

A disgraceful performance from them in this regard

[STEVIEG]

PS: Or people who jump to conclusions.

Irony overload considering your first responses to me in this thread

[DogTheLangerHunter]

http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50279947/Electric_Iron.jpg

[Professor Piehead]

http://www.wythenshawe.ukli nux.net/images/ronaldo.gif

[ho chi feen]

http://www.wythenshawe.ukli nux.net/images/ronaldo.gif

Welcome to 2003.

[ANVIL]

Irony overload considering your first responses to me in this thread

Humour vacuum considering you took it so seriously but research tells me that's the style of your show on Cork's least listened to radio station.

[xvis]

Guess what Stevie baby - this may surprise you but I don't support any team.I'll watch them all and cheer for them all,provided they play good football in the spirit it was intended.
Early season Arsenal played superb football but drifted away and the remainder was a great tussle between the top two that went to the wire - what more could you want in a season.
I just don't like cheats,divers or whingers. ... all the top teams have them but I just think Manyoo are led from the top in that respect.

PS: Or people who jump to conclusions.

heh heh heh


..you'll support anyone, but not United.

Definitely not United.


heh heh

[ANVIL]

heh heh heh


..you'll support anyone, but not United.

Definitely not United.


heh heh

Read the full post dummy - I don't support any team.I'll watch them all and cheer for them all
Jesus,just how thick are you ?

[xvis]

Read the full post dummy - I don't support any team.
Jesus,just how thick are you ?

..People who don't support any teams have a poor reputation around here, but you might surprise people.



..You do realise that if you cheer on a team, you are offering them 'support'.



Have you come up with that list of cheating yet?

[ho chi feen]

Anvil-

Define "play[ing] good football in the spirit it was intended."

Also "cheating", if you've got the time.

[ANVIL]

..People who don't support any teams have a poor reputation around here, but you might surprise people.



..You do realise that if you cheer on a team, you are offering them 'support'.



Have you come up with that list of cheating yet?

A. You obviously are such a sad individual that you feel your life isn't complete without " supporting " something although it's quite clear your shoulders are supporting a fairly empty cranium.It is possible to comment on a team without being for or against them - it's called an opinion and they're normally found on internet forums.If you are having trouble understanding this
I will talk in big letters.

B. Precisely my little village idiot - which is why when I say I cheer on all teams that naturally includes Manchester United.How could you not applaud a team who have won the Premiership and Championship League.
But here's the rub and I'll whisper this one in your ear not everything they do is wonderful There now,I gone and spoilt it for you haven't I ?

C. Don't have the time to re-wind every Manchester United game from my personal video collection but if you think Ronaldo doesn't go to ground easily and try to get players booked ( yes,that's cheating ) you really are an idiot savant.

Bring it on fool.

[ANVIL]

Anvil-

Define "play[ing] good football in the spirit it was intended."

Also "cheating", if you've got the time.

Simple really.
Play by the rules.Don't attempt to intimidate match officials.Don't complain about pitch/referee/ball/linesman/fourth official/tea lady/programme seller etc etc when you lose a game.Don't institute a lifetime ban on speaking to the BBC simply because they have the temerity to investigate the activities of your son who is a football agent.Try not to get involved in a fight with ground staff from another team who are trying to do their job.
Most of all try to act with a little dignity and the same grace when you lose a game as well as win.
It's all terribly old-fashioned,I know,but it can be done.Try looking at the manager of this year's FA Cup winners .

[ho chi feen]

It's all terribly old-fashioned,I know,but it can be done.Try looking at the manager of this year's FA Cup winners .

Ah yes. If only all managers were tax-todging, bung-taking cockney wideboys.

[xvis]

He goes to ground easily, ...we all know that. Most of the flair players do.

But he tries to get players booked???? that's a new one, ..can you provide just one example of that from the season, ..as that's not factually correct.



...Did you applaud Ronaldo waltzing around as fine footballer as Michael Essien in the first half of the Campions League final?

Did you applaud his take from Rooney and his first time cross to Tevez in the same game?

Did you applaud his header in Rome?





Did you applaud any of these?

[xvis]

Simple really.
Play by the rules.Don't attempt to intimidate match officials.Don't complain about pitch/referee/ball/linesman/fourth official/tea lady/programme seller etc etc when you lose a game.Don't institute a lifetime ban on speaking to the BBC simply because they have the temerity to investigate the activities of your son who is a football agent.Try not to get involved in a fight with ground staff from another team who are trying to do their job.
Most of all try to act with a little dignity and the same grace when you lose a game as well as win.
It's all terribly old-fashioned,I know,but it can be done.Try looking at the manager of this year's FA Cup winners .

Ffs

..when is the last time you saw Harry talk to the beeb?

[ANVIL]

Ffs

..when is the last time you saw Harry talk to the beeb?

Er ... immediately after the FA CUP !!!!!

[ANVIL]

He goes to ground easily, ...we all know that. Most of the flair players do.

But he tries to get players booked???? that's a new one, ..can you provide just one example of that from the season, ..as that's not factually correct.



...Did you applaud Ronaldo waltzing around as fine footballer as Michael Essien in the first half of the Campions League final?

Did you applaud his take from Rooney and his first time cross to Tevez in the same game?

Did you applaud his header in Rome?





Did you applaud any of these?



Okay - put thes two bits together and think about it.If you dive ( go to ground easily ) you are by intent hoping for a foul to be awarded against another player which is generally called cheating.
Is Rooney a flair player ? Does he go to ground easily ?

[xvis]

Er ... immediately after the FA CUP !!!!!

link? ...Harry has a lifetime ban on interviews with the beeb,


are you sure it wasn't Sky.

[xvis]

Okay - put thes two bits together and think about it.If you dive ( go to ground easily ) you are by intent hoping for a foul to be awarded against another player which is generally called cheating.
Is Rooney a flair player ? Does he go to ground easily ?

You said Ronaldo 'deliberatly tries to get players booked'.


That's a seperate issue to going to ground easily.



..now can you elaborate on the getting players booked or are you just making shit up?

[ANVIL]

Ah yes. If only all managers were tax-todging, bung-taking cockney wideboys.

Evidence ?

I seem to recall Harry being awarded compensation for the police raid on his home recently.
And the FA investigation into the Panorama documentary into his transfer activities ( and the programme itself ) found nothing untoward.
Cockney - can't disagree with that.
Wideboy - generally regarded as making very astute transfers with very little money.

Of course I could just say he won the FA Cup this season and Manchester United didn't but that would be descending to your level.

[ANVIL]

link? ...Harry has a lifetime ban on interviews with the beeb,


are you sure it wasn't Sky.

Nope - you can watch it here if you want.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/default.stm

Heh,heh,heh

[ANVIL]

Oh dear,XVIS doesn't seem to want to acknowledge he was wrong.
Happy days.

[xvis]

Nope - you can watch it here if you want.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/default.stm

Heh,heh,heh

and Ferguson was all over the BBC for the Sports Personality awards to honour Bobby.

...special circumstances changed the beeb stance for both managers, ...smalltimery and double standards make up a lot of your points. Use the same rational for all.



...and what about your claim about Ronaldo deliberately getting players booked?

[ANVIL]

and Ferguson was all over the BBC for the Sports Personality awards to honour Bobby.

...special circumstances changed the beeb stance for both managers, ...smalltimery and double standards make up a lot of your points. Use the same rational for all.



...and what about your claim about Ronaldo deliberately getting players booked?

Okay shitforbrains ..here's another one.
Harry talking to his local BBC Radio station throughout the season during his " lifetime " ban on the BBC.
Fuck me this is like taking candy from a baby.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/hampshire/content/articles/2007/07/12/portsmouth_audio_arc hive_0708_feature.sh tml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/hampshire/content/articles/2007/11/30/harry_redknapp_30110 7_feature.shtml

[xvis]

Okay shitforbrains ..here's another one.
Harry talking to his local BBC Radio station throughout the season during his " lifetime " ban on the BBC.
Fuck me this is like taking candy from a baby.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/hampshire/content/articles/2007/07/12/portsmouth_audio_arc hive_0708_feature.sh tml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/hampshire/content/articles/2007/11/30/harry_redknapp_30110 7_feature.shtml

..and I've already given an example of Ferguson speaking to the BBC recently, so they are similar instances, we've got that. ..both however do not give interviews to MOTD.



Now answer the original point of two you made against Ronaldo that he deliberately tried to ge players booked.

And then the outstanding questions on Ronaldo's performances on some big stages this year.

[DogTheLangerHunter]

xvis being wrong doesn't make you right "shit for brains",you bitter little shit.

[ANVIL]

..and I've already given an example of Ferguson speaking to the BBC recently, so they are similar instances, we've got that. ..both however do not give interviews to MOTD.



Now answer the original point of two you made against Ronaldo that he deliberately tried to ge players booked.

And then the outstanding questions on Ronaldo's performances on some big stages this year.

Er ... you said Harry had a lifetime's ban on the BBC.
I provide examples in abundance including their FA CUP coverage and you try to shift the goalposts.
Be a man not a boy.Admit you fucked up.You've been listening to Fergie too much.

[ANVIL]

xvis being wrong doesn't make you right "shit for brains",you bitter little shit.

Dog baby - you gotta keep it cool.
Keep calm,Produce evidence.Back up your argument.
But have a lie down in a dark room first.

[DogTheLangerHunter]

Dog baby - you gotta keep it cool.
Keep calm,Produce evidence.Back up your argument.
But have a lie down in a dark room first.

I'm not the one making needless personal attacks and unsubstantiated claims here-baby.

[xvis]

Er ... you said Harry had a lifetime's ban on the BBC.
I provide examples in abundance including their FA CUP coverage and you try to shift the goalposts.
Be a man not a boy.Admit you fucked up.You've been listening to Fergie too much.

You originally said that Ferguson instituted a lifetime ban on the BBC, That was incorrect, as in the example I gave...

..my response was to highlight the similar stance that Harry and Alex had with the beeb.



you fucked up first, and you fucked up twice!

First with the Alex statement, and secondly Harry as a decent alternative.



..and you've slunk away from the Ronaldo bile...

[xvis]

Dog baby - you gotta keep it cool.
Keep calm,Produce evidence.Back up your argument.
But have a lie down in a dark room first.

I haven't come out with the small-time personal insults, ...you're all over the place with those.



..and you've come up with no evidence on Ronaldo, ...in this thread on Ronaldo.

[Philby]

...for being an odious, arrogant fool perhaps?

[scrumpy]

i havent had a can of tanora in ages though....

[xvis]

Q. Which of the following managers have been arrested this season.


A) Roy Keane

B) Harry Redknapp

C) Alex Ferguson

or

D) David Moyes

[ANVIL]

Ffs

..when is the last time you saw Harry talk to the beeb?

Did you say your response was to highlight the similar stance that Harry and Alex had with the BBC.

I think not,old chum ...further distortion of the truth.

The original point I was making is that Harry is a decent fellow whose reputation as a fair and honest manager in the game is second to none.
Ferguson is the greatest football manager Britain has ever known but he lacks charm,grace and decency in his dealings with many people in the game.

[xvis]

Ferguson is the greatest football manager Britain has ever known but he lacks charm,grace and decency in his dealings with many people in the game.

Bullshit.

..you'd struggle to name 3 people in the game who don't have a respect for Ferguson's decency.


Produce a list as evidence of that claim, while you're compiling all your evidence.



..perhaps only Jim leighton, ..and he's a great career with him from Aberdeen.

[ANVIL]

Q. Which of the following managers have been arrested this season.


A) Roy Keane

B) Harry Redknapp

C) Alex Ferguson

or

D) David Moyes


Hey,I'll answer that one rather than scurry around trying to change tack.
Harry Redknapp.
But which of those four has been arrested and then cleared of any wrongdoing.
I'll answer for you ...Harry,of course.
Okay,let's try another one.
Which of the four managers mentioned above sold one of his prized defenders because he had the temerity to say he'd been tapped up by boss - the same manager who this week his calling another club " moral-less " for trying to ...wait for it ...lure one of his prized assets away.

[ANVIL]

Bullshit.

..you'd struggle to name 3 people in the game who don't have a respect for Ferguson's decency.


Produce a list as evidence of that claim, while you're compiling all your evidence.



..perhaps only Jim leighton, ..and he's a great career with him from Aberdeen.

Okay ..

Gordon Strachan, Paul McGrath, Paul Ince, Jaap Stam, Dwight Yorke, David Beckham and more recently, Ruud van Nistelrooy and Gabriel Heinze

[ANVIL]

Let's try another quiz.

Which scion of the Premiership renowned for the decency and respect he is held by everyone connected to the game has been ordered from the touchline for abusing referees,charged by the FA with misconduct for comments made about referees and who is regularly seen pouring abuse on fourth officials trying to do their job.
Here's a clue ..

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/Postings/2003/10/70473.htm
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/NewsFromTheFA/Postings/2005/07/Disciplinary_Ferguso n.htm
http://www.timesonline.co.u k/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article2949915.ece
As I say ...it's all about the spirit of the game.

[ho chi feen]

I seem to recall Harry being awarded compensation for the police raid on his home recently.
And the FA investigation into the Panorama documentary into his transfer activities ( and the programme itself ) found nothing untoward.


Not talking about Panorama at all. If you know anyone who follows West Ham, they might be able to give you a better idea of what I'm getting at.

That panorama documentary was a load of bollocks, IMHO.

[ANVIL]

Not talking about Panorama at all. If you know anyone who follows West Ham, they might be able to give you a better idea of what I'm getting at.

That panorama documentary was a load of bollocks, IMHO.

Er ..let's deal with hard evidence and not " if you know anyone who follows West Ham " FFS.
This is getting laughable.
I putting up hard facts as evidence and all I'm getting is radio phone-in drivel.

[xvis]

Okay ..

Gordon Strachan, Paul McGrath, Paul Ince, Jaap Stam, Dwight Yorke, David Beckham and more recently, Ruud van Nistelrooy and Gabriel Heinze

Strachan respects Ferguson, they don't get on but he respects him.

McGrath said Ferguson made completely the right decision, and has no problem with Ferguson, ...feel free to locate any quote as to otherwise.
McGrath was the one with the problems.

Ince, ..wasn't implementing instructions on the pitch in the end, a footballing decision to sell for a profit of 6 million. (allegations that Ince wasn't showing the best grace to younger players at the club)

Stam, undermined the bosses position in public, ...sold for a profit, ..in a football decision that didn't work out.

Yorke?

Beckham, ..correct decision, a footballing decision. sold because he was becoming a twat. (i.e. he was losing decency).

Ruud, ...a correct footballing decision. United have improved.

Heinze? nothing personal, He was playing poor. United do not sell to their rivals.




You seem to have a problem differentiating between footballing decisions and grace and decency in one to one relations.

[ANVIL]

Strachan respects Ferguson, they don't get on but he respects him.

McGrath said Ferguson made completely the right decision, and has no problem with Ferguson, ...feel free to locate any quote as to otherwise.
McGrath was the one with the problems.

Ince, ..wasn't implementing instructions on the pitch in the end, a footballing decision to sell for a profit of 6 million. (allegations that Ince wasn't showing the best grace to younger players at the club)

Yorke?

Beckham, ..correct decision, a footballing decision. sold because he was becoming a twat. (i.e. he was losing decency).

Ruud, ...a correct footballing decision. United have improved.

Heinze? nothing personal, He was playing poor. United do not sell to their rivals.




You seem to have a problem differentiating between footballing decisions and grace and decency in one to one relations.


Refer to my earlier post with the three instances of him being charged with abusing referees.
That's what I mean about common decency and the spirit of the game.
Harry might be a bit rough round the edges but he's a diamond geezer.

[ho chi feen]

Er ..let's deal with hard evidence and not " if you know anyone who follows West Ham " FFS.
This is getting laughable.
I putting up hard facts as evidence and all I'm getting is radio phone-in drivel.

Point being, Redknapp has a fairly shady reputation. Definitely likeable, but suspect- so much so, that he was forced out of a club despite being its most successful manager in a couple of decades.

There's very people in football without flaws.

[xvis]

Let's try another quiz.

Which scion of the Premiership renowned for the decency and respect he is held by everyone connected to the game has been ordered from the touchline for abusing referees,charged by the FA with misconduct for comments made about referees and who is regularly seen pouring abuse on fourth officials trying to do their job.
Here's a clue ..

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/Postings/2003/10/70473.htm
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/NewsFromTheFA/Postings/2005/07/Disciplinary_Ferguso n.htm
http://www.timesonline.co.u k/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article2949915.ece
As I say ...it's all about the spirit of the game.

All part of the game.

so what?

...referees make mistakes, ..managers leave off steam.

Life goes on.

Get over it.

[ANVIL]

Funnily enough Ferguson was cleared of those charges today.

Fair enough ... I haven't been following the news today and I'm man enough to hold my hand up,Xvis,if you know what I mean.
But obviously the ones in 2003 and 2005 where he was found guilty still stand.
I mean a 10 Grand find and being banned to the stands is hardly serious punishment is it.
But then,of course,the FA fell over themselves to allow Manchester United to be the only team never to compete in the FA Cup because of a more important game elsewhere.
This was probably one of the most disgraceful episodes in football and reflected badly on the FA and United.
Unfortunately it also permanently debased a great cup competition.

[xvis]

You gotta love Carlos Queiroz! ..this is the interview of the season.


Queiroz: "Cristiano Ronaldo will never be Spanish, as they will never take Olivenca again," he said, referring to the small town on the disputed border between the two countries. "They already did the same with Christopher Columbus, and it now seems they want to naturalise Cristiano Ronaldo. Have they already forgotten what we did to them in the past? We will never lose our patience."

"It's being done in a manner to distract the Portugal team, at the height of their preparations for the European Championships,"
"But I am convinced that despite pressure from the Spanish sporting press he will not accept to change his nationality.
"However, it is an attack with a well-defined strategy and Portugal should be worried about that."

[ho chi feen]

You gotta love Carlos Queiroz! ..this is the interview of the season.


Queiroz: "Cristiano Ronaldo will never be Spanish, as they will never take Olivenca again," he said, referring to the small town on the disputed border between the two countries. "They already did the same with Christopher Columbus, and it now seems they want to naturalise Cristiano Ronaldo. Have they already forgotten what we did to them in the past? We will never lose our patience."

"It's being done in a manner to distract the Portugal team, at the height of their preparations for the European Championships,"
"But I am convinced that despite pressure from the Spanish sporting press he will not accept to change his nationality.
"However, it is an attack with a well-defined strategy and Portugal should be worried about that."

Read that early... funny carry on alright.

Viva a Olivença portuguesa!

[STEVIEG]

Humour vacuum considering you took it so seriously but research tells me that's the style of your show on Cork's least listened to radio station.

well done even after your initial embarassment was swept aside you manage to come back and make yourself look even more of an ignorant asshole

Quite an achievment

[STEVIEG]

Also read that Carlos interview earlier

The man is now gonna be held in Cantona status in my eyes from here on in

[keanos dog]

insomonia is a real fucker. but this is the funniest thread i've read in ages.



poor ANVIL.

[STEVIEG]

Might aswell post these up now that i found them

NSFW

His bird doesn't seem like the shyest type


http://g.photos.cx/2505_ronaldo_01-19.jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00496/RON_682x400_496129a. jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00496/RON1_682x400_496025a .jpg

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

Might aswell post these up now that i found them

NSFW

His bird doesn't seem like the shyest type


http://g.photos.cx/2505_ronaldo_01-19.jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00496/RON_682x400_496129a. jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00496/RON1_682x400_496025a .jpg


good man Mr G.

I'd personally sell him for as much as i could get. That kinda makes most sense right...

[jimmy magee]

I'd sell him for the ass off a bread and butter sandwich

[keanos dog]

I'd sell him for the ass off a bread and butter sandwich

i'll give you a weeks grocery shopping for your gaff there la, if there's a sale on like.

[de mange]

You gotta love Carlos Queiroz! ..this is the interview of the season.


Queiroz: "Cristiano Ronaldo will never be Spanish, as they will never take Olivenca again," he said, referring to the small town on the disputed border between the two countries. "They already did the same with Christopher Columbus, and it now seems they want to naturalise Cristiano Ronaldo. Have they already forgotten what we did to them in the past? We will never lose our patience."

"It's being done in a manner to distract the Portugal team, at the height of their preparations for the European Championships,"
"But I am convinced that despite pressure from the Spanish sporting press he will not accept to change his nationality.
"However, it is an attack with a well-defined strategy and Portugal should be worried about that."

haha.. brilliant stuff

if an irish manager came out with something similar regarding and irish player and the north/england they would be lambasted though

[RonnyB]

and Ferguson was all over the BBC for the Sports Personality awards to honour Bobby.

...special circumstances changed the beeb stance for both managers, ...smalltimery and double standards make up a lot of your points. Use the same rational for all.



...and what about your claim about Ronaldo deliberately getting players booked?

Speaking of which will Fergie turn up if United win the team of the year award in December? Cant think of any alternative unless the beeb decide to award some never to be heard of again Olympic rowing or relay team. Of course theres always the cricket.

Some of the comtempt towards Fergie amazes me at times. Yes he can be ungracious & appear a bully but all managers who shown por class at times. I'd rate Wenger 10 times the c*nt Fergie is (a certain amount of bias shown I'll admit) and Rafa acted the hypocrite after Mascherano's sending off at OT this season. Yet Fergie is the one labelled the bully.

[Roman Abramovich]

I'd rate Wenger 10 times the c*nt Fergie is .

hahahahhahahhahaha
top class.
once in 11 years hes refused to talk to the media after a game.
once.

i reckon taking man utd and arsenal fans out fergie would win the cuntish stakes a million times over.

how many times has fergie publically fallen out with players, media, had rants on tv etc. wengers most famous one and he was 100% wrong was pardew. he will retract stuff when he feels he was ott like the martin taylor tackle etc.


10times the cunt? heh heh heh. top class.

[o_2_b_a_rebel]

hahahahhahahhahaha
top class.
once in 11 years hes refused to talk to the media after a game.
once.

i reckon taking man utd and arsenal fans out fergie would win the cuntish stakes a million times over.

how many times has fergie publically fallen out with players, media, had rants on tv etc. wengers most famous one and he was 100% wrong was pardew. he will retract stuff when he feels he was ott like the martin taylor tackle etc.


10times the cunt? heh heh heh. top class.

Good manager but Naff...

[de mange]

Might aswell post these up now that i found them

NSFW

His bird doesn't seem like the shyest type


http://g.photos.cx/2505_ronaldo_01-19.jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00496/RON_682x400_496129a. jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00496/RON1_682x400_496025a .jpg

whats her name?

[Roman Abramovich]

Good manager but Naff...

10 times the cunt that fergie is?
ffs.

heh heh heh. thats the funniest thing ive read on here. and i was here when clares 30 user names went tits up.

[Roman Abramovich]

Might aswell post these up now that i found them

NSFW

His bird doesn't seem like the shyest type


http://g.photos.cx/2505_ronaldo_01-19.jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00496/RON_682x400_496129a. jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00496/RON1_682x400_496025a .jpg

i wonder will john o reilly start selling willie tampones when he sees them snaps.

[RonnyB]

hahahahhahahhahaha
top class.
once in 11 years hes refused to talk to the media after a game.
once.

i reckon taking man utd and arsenal fans out fergie would win the cuntish stakes a million times over.

how many times has fergie publically fallen out with players, media, had rants on tv etc. wengers most famous one and he was 100% wrong was pardew. he will retract stuff when he feels he was ott like the martin taylor tackle etc.


10times the cunt? heh heh heh. top class.

Ya like Fergie has squared up to managers on the touchline in the past like Wenger has done with Pardew & Jol just because his teams conceded goals.

Shur also wasnt it Fergie who claimed players should be banned for life for high tackles yet defends his own players red card for the very same offence weeks later.

Or remember the day Fergie decided to let his players fling food all over opponants after a first defeat in 50 league games.

As for falling out with players I'd rather have a manager who falls out with players because he's prepared to make tough decisions than a guy who lets players move on when the player feels like it even if they are past their best & the club suffering as a result.

[i_didnt_do_nawtin]

And Baggio and Baresi missed penalties in a World Cup final.

Your point?

Ronaldo is a cock.

That's my point. As much of a cock as John Terry.

[lionelhutz]

and Rafa acted the hypocrite after Mascherano's sending off at OT this season. Yet Fergie is the one labelled the bully.

oh god!

[Liathroidi Mor]

Sell the fucker. He obviously doesn't want to stay in Manchester. Squeeze as much as you can out of the sale!!

[Lee Bushwacker]

great post

WELL SAID! :grin: :grin: :grin: