Chelsea v Manyoo

[Edmund Blackwater]

Chelsea could really turn up the heat on manyoo with a victory here, though ultimately it won't matter I believe.
Lampard is probably out after the death of his mother (RIP) which will be a big loss to them. Otherwise, I think Chelsea have a clean bill of health.
Vidic, apparently, trained today and if, as was reported, it was just a stomach bug, he'll play.

Should manyoo drop wrongaldo for this match? Not just because it is a big game, but they'll need him at his best for Tuesday. I doubt they will, but I'd bench him and bring him on with half an hour to go if they're trailing. He might be able to do something against tiring players.
I'd expect a few changes in midfield as, again, they need their better players fighting fit for Tuesday and Carrick is a nothing player against decent teams. Hargreaves and Whoopi for me in midfield, maybe O'Shit in there too.

[ho chi feen]

It's a very tough one to call. It's tempting to read the midweek results into things, but I think it's the games ahead that will have the biggest bearing. All about the selections, obviously. I can definitely see Grant targeting the CL now, and we'll probably rest a few as well. Seems like a nailed on 1-1 to me.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Anything but a Chelsea win is end of title for them.
I think Grant will go for broke to win the prem...and the CL.
His reputation is such that only a win in both will give him the ability to stick two fingers up at everyone.
His record is quite remarkable for someone under so much pressure.

[ho chi feen]

His record is quite remarkable for someone under so much pressure.

No it isn't.

I'd agree with a lot of what Martin Samuel (even though he's a tosser) said about him earlier this week:

Avram Grant faces judgment days


For Avram Grant, it is a matter of pride. For the rest of us, a case of simple mathematics. Chelsea’s first-team coach wants greater respect for a record of five defeats in all competitions since succeeding José Mourinho at Stamford Bridge; the question is, how many did he seriously expect to lose?


Mourinho may not have produced a team with poetry in their soul, but they were devilishly difficult to beat, even on a bad day. The figures alone ensured that. Chelsea’s response to Arsenal’s “invincible” league triumph in 2004 was to spend a further £177.9 million, in addition to the money Roman Abramovich had already lavished in the transfer market in his first year. The upshot is that, even on a bad day, Chelsea’s resources will take them beyond all but a handful of rivals. In fact, it is considerably harder for any group of Chelsea players to lose than win, hence the number of disappointing 1-0 victories when the team have played not at all well, yet still proved impossible to resist.


Grant is demanding credit as a marksman when much of his season amounts to shooting fish in a barrel. Given Chelsea’s resources, there are very few matches in which the Chelsea first-team coach will need to dig deep for victory.


The next ten days bring three of them, however, and if Grant wishes to be taken seriously the minimum requirement is that he wins two and, in doing so, reopens the title race and eliminates Liverpool from the Champions League. To achieve a clean sweep would exceed expectations; anything less would confirm the belief that he is the overpromoted ally of the Chelsea owner, an imposter in a role that demands more.
Grant may sulk over the criticism that followed the home draw against Wigan Athletic last week and the constant speculation over his job, but what did he expect? Wigan was a big match that Chelsea had to win – the title would now be under their control had they done so – and he blew it, again. How can that be set against any number of walkovers, games in which Chelsea’s financial clout and the size and pedigree of the squad was always going to bring reward?


Grant should know by now that nobody will give him credit for knocking the mother out of Derby County, a team who have won a single Barclays Premier League match all season and are as capable of taking on the Champions League elite of English football as the local Scout troop would be for an assault on insurgents in Afghanistan. He will be judged against the best when the pressure is on and cannot afford to come up short another time, because there is too much evidence of this already on his CV.


Of the five matches he has lost, two can be discounted. The defeat away to Fenerbahçe was rectified at home and is part of Champions League two-leg tie ebb and flow, and the players should take the blame for the defeat away to Barnsley in the FA Cup, because there is no team that Grant can send out who should lose at Oakwell. Beyond that, however, are three matches that hold the key to dissatisfaction with Grant: Manchester United and Arsenal away, and Tottenham Hotspur in the Carling Cup final. They form the main plank of evidence in the argument that Chelsea’s first-team coach is unexceptional; that he wins the games Chelsea should win and loses the games in which Chelsea are vulnerable and, frankly, a great many could do that. Few fancied Grant to inspire victory at Old Trafford or the Emirates Stadium this season and so it proved. The final against a Tottenham side under the influence of Juande Ramos was always going to be a proving ground and Chelsea surrendered meekly.


Grant may wish for an overview of his 48 matches to be placed on record, but no manager at his level gets that benefit. If Rafael BenÍtez succumbs to Chelsea in the Champions League, his failure will not be placed beside Saturday’s result away to Fulham.


Grant may have noticed that he was most loved after the home win over Arsenal – even though Chelsea turned the game around playing an ugly long-ball style – because those are the occasions on which the best managers are judged. Chelsea won with a game plan Grant affected and, however crude, that made him a winner on the day and he got the credit. It is a simple game, really.


Over the next three matches, his season, and his capability, will be assessed, not least at board level. He must beat Manchester United at home on Saturday, and exclude Liverpool from Europe, an achievement that was beyond Mourinho. If Grant succeeds, he will be proven capable; if he does not, the speculation and criticism will increase. He seems an intelligent man, so it is puzzling that he cannot comprehend his reality. Big managers win big matches. If Grant wishes to be weighed against small fry, he has no hope of understanding the question, let alone passing the test.

[Edmund Blackwater]

One of those defeats was his first game in charge against manyoo. The club was in utter disarray at the time. I'd forgive him that one.
Another was in the FA Cup, fair enough but in the greater scheme of things, unimportant.
One was to Fenerbahce, outwardly a bad result, but it was only half time and they progressed comfortably through the tie.

That leaves 2 other defeats.
That's not too shabby imo.

[emm-you-eff-see]

Strange I thought Chelsea were playing man united?

[ebenezer]

Another crap Premier Plague game.

I shall enjoy the promotion/relegation battles in the Championship over the weekend though.

And League One is really hotting up.

Also, I am hoping that our neighbours, Notts & The Stags avoid the drop to the Conference.

This is real football.

[Lee Bushwacker]

Chelsea could really turn up the heat on manyoo with a victory here, though ultimately it won't matter I believe.
Lampard is probably out after the death of his mother (RIP) which will be a big loss to them. Otherwise, I think Chelsea have a clean bill of health.
Vidic, apparently, trained today and if, as was reported, it was just a stomach bug, he'll play.

Should manyoo drop wrongaldo for this match? Not just because it is a big game, but they'll need him at his best for Tuesday. I doubt they will, but I'd bench him and bring him on with half an hour to go if they're trailing. He might be able to do something against tiring players.
I'd expect a few changes in midfield as, again, they need their better players fighting fit for Tuesday and Carrick is a nothing player against decent teams. Hargreaves and Whoopi for me in midfield, maybe O'Shit in there too.

Boring the arse of everyone again "PISSWATER"? :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

[VzN]

Its a big game Ronaldo will go missing. It's a fact you know. He's a bottler.

[Superior]

No it isn't.

I'd agree with a lot of what Martin Samuel (even though he's a tosser) said about him earlier this week:

You should be careful what you call people in the industry if you're hopin to work in it.

[ho chi feen]

You should be careful what you call people in the industry if you're hopin to work in it.

Heh heh heh... d'oh.

[Superior]

Heh heh heh... d'oh.

That's right, I'M Martin Samuels!


Na, I'm not.

[xvis]

Not great scheduling to stick this one between the CL semi-finals. ..the two PL favourites before the season, and who both made the CL semi's last year.

The schedulers are taking the piss, ..trying to generate a tough hurdle at the peak of the PL season, rather than thinking about what might be good for their clubs in Europe. None of the big guns in the Spanish and Italien leagues have tough fixtures this weekend.


I'm a bit underwhelmed by this fixture, given what happened at the Nou Camp and midweek. ..I'd suspect Chelsea and United might also be a distaracted. 1-1 draw.


What stands in United's favour is their great record this season against the rest of the top four ...Gallas's stoppage time equaliser at the Emirates is the only point the others have got all season off United.

..United needed a record like that after their poor start to the season.

[Rebelred]

1-1 i reckon. Rooney is the key man today

[STEVIEG]

6 changes

No Ronaldo, Evra, Tevez etc


Gonna be tough but there is energy in the team, good to see Fletcher back

Meanwhile Barca leave out there entire first team for their match tonight.....!

[ebenezer]

Hmmm. Will I watch this game :?:

Might go to the dentist instead.

[#11sully]

6 changes

No Ronaldo, Evra, Tevez etc


Gonna be tough but there is energy in the team, good to see Fletcher back

Meanwhile Barca leave out there entire first team for their match tonight.....!

Vidic is back in the team and starts today.
Is fergie taking a gamble with his team selection today?

[#11sully]

Is it online anywhere?

[Slightly Bonkers]

Is it online anywhere?

You can listen to it on http://www.todayfm.com/article.asp?id=15131

[#11sully]

You can listen to it on http://www.todayfm.com/article.asp?id=15131

Cheers. I have it on the radio at work but I would like to watch it if possible.

[Rebelred]

Cheers. I have it on the radio at work but I would like to watch it if possible.

yeah if anybody has a link throw it up please

[Slightly Bonkers]

Cheers. I have it on the radio at work but I would like to watch it if possible.
I think www.sopcast.com would have it but you have to set up an account (it free) but a hassle and it doesn't work on a mac as far as I know. Let me know if it works willa?

[#11sully]

Get in there :D

[Rebelred]

Get in there :D

thought you were a pool fan?


anyway, time to get the finger out fergie.

[Jim Comic]

chel$ea totally on top so far, should have more than one goal to be honest

[BlueSkies]

Ronaldo for Nani surely. Nani has been shocking.

[#11sully]

thought you were a pool fan?


anyway, time to get the finger out fergie.

I am. I just like to see (or hear in my case) a few goals scored in a game. Is there anything wrong with that? :rolleyes:

[KolaKubes]

Disastrous first half performance.

Carrick is very poor at the moment.

Defending well I guess but you can't get away with that against Chelsea there for 90 minutes.

Fergie's obsession with the CL coming home to roost?

[#11sully]

Disastrous first half performance.

Carrick is very poor at the moment.

Defending well I guess but you can't get away with that against Chelsea there for 90 minutes.

Fergie's obsession with the CL coming home to roost?

Will the goal force his hand? Will he bring on the wonder kid?

[Rebelred]

Disastrous first half performance.

Carrick is very poor at the moment.

Defending well I guess but you can't get away with that against Chelsea there for 90 minutes.

Fergie's obsession with the CL coming home to roost?

negativity seems to be his new obsession. Now we have to chase the game and leave ourselves open to a second on the counter.

[KolaKubes]

Will the goal force his hand? Will he bring on the wonder kid?

I can sort of follow the twisted logic of leaving Ronaldo out but Tevez as well?

We've invited Chelsea on to us in a title decider.

Rested 4/5 of our first team in a title decider.

Remarkable.

I suppose he thinks that, with the goal being a CL and Prem double, all in all, he can probably afford to lose this and still be confident of winning it via beating West Ham and Wigan. With the rested players being fresh for Barca mid-week.

You know, I also wonder about Brown at centre-half. Pique might be inexperienced but he's our most assured defender on the ball and a lot of our problems mid-week and here is a lack of confidence playing the ball out from the back.

[3pointplay]

The granny fucker again.

[ebenezer]

ROONSTER.

Take that Torres.

[Jim Comic]

bizarre mistake by carvalho to gift rooney the ball

[Rebelred]

Great to see them fighting amongst themselves now. Who's the bigger asshole, Drogba or Ballack?

[ebenezer]

Who's the bigger asshole, Drogba or Ballack?

Great question, RR.

I'll have to mull it over.

I'll get back to you.

[ebenezer]

Who's the bigger asshole, Drogba or Ballack?

Drogba.

[raZor]

It's on.....again

[scrumpy]

wats the score??

[Rebelred]

nothing more than United deserve for such a negative approach to the game.
Fergie and Quieroz, take note:

Boro Draw
Blackburn Draw
Barca Draw
Chelski Defeat

cop the fuck on and play football again

[ebenezer]

Man of the Match goes to Alan Wiley.

Excellent referee. Best in England.

I think Ronny Batistuta is in agreement.


I like the bloke, Alan Wiley.


I'm with ebenezer on this & reckon Alan Wiley is the best in the Prem at present. The guy is barely noticed so must be doing his job.

[Jim Comic]

wats the score??

chelsea won 2-1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7356021.stm

[Rebelred]

wats the score??

finished 2-1, penalty in the 84th min, handball by Carrick. Cole cleared off the line from Ronaldo two minutes later and Shevchenko appeared from nowhere in injury time to clear off the line aswell.

[ebenezer]

wats the score??

chelsea won 2-1

LIAR.
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Chelsea 6 - 6 Manchest United.

[STEVIEG]

It's on etc etc etc!!!!!!!

Thought the player was taking his hand away myself but that's the way it goes-soft pen

Ronaldo should have had a pen too but these things happen

Still in United's hands all the same

Chelsea are a club with big problems and will still do well to win their last two games

Tale of two halfs though, United were poor in first and good in second

[Rebelred]

It's on etc etc etc!!!!!!!

Thought the player was taking his hand away myself but that's the way it goes

Ronaldo should have had a pen too but these things happen

Still in United's hands all the same

Chelsea re a club with big problems and will do well to win their last two games

Tale of two halfs though, United were poor in first and good in second
good for the 10 minutes after we scored Stevie, then O'Shea came on and we went back into our cagey defensive shell we've been playing with for the last month.

this could be 1995 all over again

[KolaKubes]

Fergie and his fucking obsession with the CL.

Chelsea are dogshit and in with a good shout now of winning the thing.

Outrageous.

[STEVIEG]

good for the 10 minutes after we scored Stevie, then O'Shea came on and we went back into our cagey defensive shell we've been playing with for the last month.

this could be 1995 all over again

United were well on top in the second

Alan Wiley and the linesmen were the key men

Still, it's in Uniteds hands

Playing 3 games in a few days and getting injuries was gonna be tough but i thought the reds played with good pride in the 2nd half and think they will take the positives once the dust settles

[Rebelred]

United were well on top in the second

Alan Wiley and the linesmen were the key men

Still, it's in Uniteds hands

Playing 3 games in a few days and getting injuries was gonna be tough but i thought the reds played with good pride in the 2nd half and think they will take the positives once the dust settles

definitely not well on top. Goal came from a mistake lets not forget. Nani continually gave the ball away and we lost whatever drive there was to get forward when Rooney and Anderson were replaced. Carrick was worse than on wednesday. We were doing well to get the draw I thought, then came the penalty.

[scrumpy]

United's goal difference means they will still take the league for me. Chelsea have a lot of problems but I think its testament to a few key players fighting spirit that there still going. Michael Essien is a power house in the middle of the field. They have problems with a few ego's though, Drogba's is out of hand altogether I wonder will Dunphy and Giles highlight his antics as they did of Ronaldo on Wednesday night?? Ballack is another who's attitude aint quite ideal.

[xvis]

What a brilliant game. And I thought that from 10 minutes in.

A credit to the Premier League.


United streamrollered again in the first half, but a great second half performance until it was decided to swap O'Shea for Anderson, which changed the game. ..At that point United were pushing forward to take the win.


Credit to Chelsea, but a soft pen.


West Ham owe United one after last year... and then Brucie.

[xvis]

United's goal difference means they will still take the league for me. Chelsea have a lot of problems but I think its testament to a few key players fighting spirit that there still going. Michael Essien is a power house in the middle of the field. They have problems with a few ego's though, Drogba's is out of hand altogether I wonder will Dunphy and Giles highlight his antics as they did of Ronaldo on Wednesday night?? Ballack is another who's attitude aint quite ideal.

There's a lot of winners in that team.

They were pretty good today, ..and going by that they'll have enough for Liverpool on today's performance.

[Professor Piehead]

Well done Chelsea :lol!:

Ginsoaks veins were popping out of his heeed :lol!:

[lionelhutz]

It's on etc etc etc!!!!!!!

Thought the player was taking his hand away myself but that's the way it goes-soft pen

Ronaldo should have had a pen too but these things happen

Still in United's hands all the same

Chelsea are a club with big problems and will still do well to win their last two games

Tale of two halfs though, United were poor in first and good in second

what pen?

anyway, make excuse all you like, fergie gave them the initiative with that starting lineup. they've played the same excessively defensive style against liverpool at anfield and barca at nou camp but didnt get away with it today. nani was awful. they didnt seem to be able to pass it 5 yards. thought chelsea did well to open them up a couple times but in general the defence did well

while they were better in the second half, after they scored they seemed to clam up again and only started putting on some pressure after the second chelsea goal

apart from the last few minutes they really didnt threaten.

say what you like about chelsea and grant they deserve credit in they way they keep going. based on this season i think grant should get another season in charge. fuck personality, he seems to get the job done with a team he inherited. if he gets some cash to spend on his own players he might do even better. reminds me kinda of the del bosque situation at madrid, not flash enough for the flash club

[ho chi feen]

Disappointing. Thought we'd more than earned the draw, but truth be told, we deserved nothing with our first half display.

Anyway- two more wins and the title will be secured. Strongest team must play from hereon in.

[STEVIEG]

what pen?

anyway, make excuse all you like, fergie gave them the initiative with that starting lineup. they've played the same excessively defensive style against liverpool at anfield and barca at nou camp but didnt get away with it today. nani was awful. they didnt seem to be able to pass it 5 yards. thought chelsea did well to open them up a couple times but in general the defence did well

while they were better in the second half, after they scored they seemed to clam up again and only started putting on some pressure after the second chelsea goal

apart from the last few minutes they really didnt threaten.

say what you like about chelsea and grant they deserve credit in they way they keep going. based on this season i think grant should get another season in charge. fuck personality, he seems to get the job done with a team he inherited. if he gets some cash to spend on his own players he might do even better. reminds me kinda of the del bosque situation at madrid, not flash enough for the flash club

The one where Ballack was on top of Ronaldo

yeah full credit to Chelsea they kept at it

[STEVIEG]

. Chelsea have a lot of problems but I think its testament to a few key players fighting spirit that there still going. Michael Essien is a power house in the middle of the field. They have problems with a few ego's though, Drogba's is out of hand altogether I wonder will Dunphy and Giles highlight his antics as they did of Ronaldo on Wednesday night?? Ballack is another who's attitude aint quite ideal.

Agree with all that

They have a lot of big game players alright and will still be in with a good chance of winning the two trophies

[shammy feen]

Fergie and his fucking obsession with the CL.

Chelsea are dogshit and in with a good shout now of winning the thing.

Outrageous.


Yes , great isnt it?;)

[#11sully]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7369207.stm

trouble after the game between the ground staff and the utd players.

[shammy feen]

Is this place still a wankfest for a few immature egomaniacs..or is it safe to come back in the water?

[GKN18]

Evra -v- Chelsea Groundstaff (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1095143.ece?s lideshowPopup=true&articleId=1095143&nSlide=1)

Points deduction for Utd IMO

[scrumpy]

who's the fat chelsea git

[Rebelred]

Is this place still a wankfest for a few immature egomaniacs..or is it safe to come back in the water?

look who's back! appearing out of nowhere, just like Shevchenko today ;)

[Rebelred]

saw this on F365 this morning:

United's Patrice Evra, Paul Scholes, John O'Shea, Gerard Pique and Gary Neville were taking part in the warm-down on the pitch when they were asked to move by Chelsea groundstaff.

none of these lads played yesterday. Why were they warming down? the strenuous walk to the dressing room?

Also, have to say, Fergies comments after the match about it not being a penalty were cringeworthy. Time to get the finger out Alex, you're on the verge of blowing the title here.

[MonTheHoops]

Fergie looked severly rattled yesterday. He almost said "I'd have loved it if we beat them"

[STEVIEG]

Also, have to say, Fergies comments after the match about it not being a penalty were cringeworthy. Time to get the finger out Alex, you're on the verge of blowing the title here.



Overall, there have been a lot of bad decisions but i see your point

Having said that i think United now have a better chance of getting a pen in their next league game due to this and these comments are also angled at building a siege mentality

Now it is simple from here

win all the games and no fucking around

Weather they do or not remains a big doubt

Should be an interesting week or two

[Rebelred]

Overall, there have been a lot of bad decisions but i see your point

Having said that i think United now have a better chance of getting a pen in their next league game due to this and these comments are also angled at building a siege mentality

Now it is simple from here

win all the games and no fucking around

Weather they do or not remains a big doubt

Should be an interesting week or two

I honestly don't think what any manager says in the media influences penalty calls in the next games. Referees make calls on incidents that happen in games, they get them right, they get them wrong. He got it right yesterday.
No room for errors now.Strongest team, every game possible. At best we have 4 games left this season. Cut loose from the cageyness and go for it.

[STEVIEG]

Referees make calls on incidents that happen in games, they get them right, they get them wrong. He got it right yesterday.


He got one maybe right though it was very soft (Carrick)

The Ronaldo was a clear pen and a pen that would have wrapped up the title i can understand why a manager with players getting injured and games every couple of days is pissed off

The ref and linesmen bottled it big time, the fact that the guilty player scored the winner added insult to injury

But fuck it, the same has happened before and it will happen again

It is in Uniteds hands still

[STEVIEG]

by the way

the Carrick incident wasn't even as remotely as much as a pen as the Carrick header that was heading into the net last week, only to be clearly handled by a Blackburn player

but as i say shit happens

United still have only themselves to blame as they played below themelves in both matches

But it is in their hands

[#11sully]

What about the utd players surrounding the ref at every decision awaded against them. Disgraceful carry on altogether. So much for the fa clamping down on this stuff. I wonder what will happen? Its utd so i wouldn't hold my breath. Just pissed me off their carry on and nothing happened about it. :mad:

Thats all.

[scrumpy]

What about the utd players surrounding the ref at every decision awaded against them. Disgraceful carry on altogether. So much for the fa clamping down on this stuff. I wonder what will happen? Its utd so i wouldn't hold my breath. Just pissed me off their carry on and nothing happened about it. :mad:

Thats all.

sssshhh!!! criticism of United/Ronaldo is not allowed!!!!:mrgreen:

[Action Man]

sssshhh!!! criticism of United/Ronaldo is not allowed!!!!:mrgreen:

Sully is right though. The actions of rio, giggs, vds, hargraves(sp), but to name a few was way ott.

[Lamps]

United should be docked 10 points for their carry on.

Ferdinand kicked a woman in the tunnel.
Almost the whole united team abusing the ref.
That little scut Evra starting punch ups with the groundstaff.

Who the hell do ManYoo think they are?
Absolutely disgusting

[BlueSkies]

Looks like we can add Carrick to the ever-growing list of divers.
Fair play to Chelsea, didn't think they had the balls.
One of the best games I've seen all year, it would be a shame if bitterness and pettiness is what it's remembered for.

[GE1212Y]

Gallas kicks an advertising board and crys(in the same match a team mate suffers a possible carear ending injuryand a harsh last minute pen) and its all over the papers and tv for weeks..

Utd players kick stewards,fight ground staff and abuse ref..and i bet nothing will be made of it..

Points deduction i say..

[keanos dog]

United should be docked 10 points for their carry on.

Ferdinand kicked a woman in the tunnel.
Almost the whole united team abusing the ref.
That little scut Evra starting punch ups with the groundstaff.

Who the hell do ManYoo think they are?
Absolutely disgusting



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[ebenezer]

I enjoyed the Roonster getting his body across John Terry before finishing.

Torres would have choked.

Criminal from Carvalho though, criminal.

[Lamps]

Anyone notice a strange correlation between UNited as a club and the type of fan they attract. Mainly horrible disgusting individuals who can't take their beating like men.

Its disheartening to say the least. Ferguson getting a banger on Tuesday night would more than make up for Sunderland staying up and the gallant Sarries falling just short

[keanos dog]

I enjoyed the Roonster getting his body across John Terry before finishing.

Criminal from Carvalho though, criminal.

and clearly injured at the time. a truely courageous player.

[keanos dog]

Anyone notice a strange correlation between UNited as a club and the type of fan they attract. Mainly horrible disgusting individuals who can't take their beating like men.

Its disheartening to say the least. Ferguson getting a banger on Tuesday night would more than make up for Sunderland staying up and the gallant Sarries falling just short


first off, i just burst out laughing at your pitiful post.

secondly, wishing a heart attack on fergie and calling united fans digusting all in the same post. usually there's a little bit of a gap in your hypocrisy.

[ebenezer]

and clearly injured at the time. a truely courageous player.

A hero, a true hero.

Torres must have been watching in awe.

[Lamps]

first off, i just burst out laughing at your pitiful post.

secondly, wishing a heart attack on fergie and calling united fans digusting all in the same post. usually there's a little bit of a gap in our hypocrisy.

The wino should have finished the job in the tube station.

That orange bastard needs manners put on him.

[Lamps]

A hero, a true hero.

Torres must have been watching in awe.


12 goal in the league. A true phenomenon

[keanos dog]

The wino should have finished the job in the tube station.

That orange bastard needs manners put on him.

unlike the gentlemen in parnell park last sunday....

[keanos dog]

12 goal in the league. A true phenomenon

and that just about sums up your knowledge of football.

[Lamps]

and that just about sums up your knowledge of football.

He wouldn't make a premiership 11.

Drogba and Torres would be the first 2 names on the teamsheet

[ebenezer]

12 goal in the league. A true phenomenon

I know it, you know it, we all know it.

Roonster is a superstar.

Torres is just a pretender.

[Lamps]

I know it, you know it, we all know it.

Roonster is a superstar.

Torres is just a pretender.

The best since Pele.

[keanos dog]

He wouldn't make a premiership 11.

Drogba and Torres would be the first 2 names on the teamsheet

if you were the manager only.

[BlueSkies]

I know it, you know it, we all know it.

Roonster is a superstar.

Torres is just a pretender.

You're strangely obsessed with Torres. I suppose he does look a bit like a girl.

[ebenezer]

The best since Pele.

I would put a wink smilie in now, but I find them camp.

[ebenezer]

You're strangely obsessed with Torres. I suppose he does look a bit like a girl.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

[Lamps]

if you were the manager only.

Look Triggs you're the lad who said Bryan Robson was a better player than Matheus and Riijkard, what you know about soccer could be written on the back of a stamp. Leave the analysis to the experts, you stick to cheering on the likes of Rio Ferdinand

[POL]

its all over for ManYoo, I know it, lamps knows it, amd most of all, stevieg knows it :D

[BlueSkies]

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Each to their own!

[keanos dog]

Look Triggs you're the lad who said Bryan Robson was a better player than Matheus and Riijkard, what you know about soccer could be written on the back of a stamp. Leave the analysis to the experts, you stick to cheering on the likes of Rio Ferdinand

and i stand by it.


and it's called football.

[ebenezer]

Each to their own!

There is method to my madness.

[keanos dog]

its all over for ManYoo, I know it, lamps knows it, amd most of all, stevieg knows it :D

here comes the birthday boy. lamps give you a manicure on your special day?

[Edmund Blackwater]

Should manyoo drop wrongaldo for this match? Not just because it is a big game, but they'll need him at his best for Tuesday. I doubt they will, but I'd bench him and bring him on with half an hour to go if they're trailing. He might be able to do something against tiring players.
Well, I got that wrong.
A big game is a big game and he just can't do it in them, no matter how tired the opposition are.

Had to laugh at his contribution.
Hands all over Ballack when he came on at the corner and he's crying for a penalty.
Dive for a freekick.
Try to kill opposition player with freekick.
A few more dives, some given some not. Cries when they're not given.
Shot straight at Ashley Cole while screaming for a penalty for Carrick's dive.

What an example this 'man' is to kids.

[Lamps]

I feel sorry for the kids of today being treated to ManYoo and their disgusting behaviour.

I want StevieG and his cohorts to condemn it. He had a fit of pique over the mascherano incident at old trafford. Now I want some consistency and would like to hear these guys say the book should be thrown at ManYoo.

[KolaKubes]

I feel sorry for the kids of today being treated to ManYoo and their disgusting behaviour.

I want StevieG and his cohorts to condemn it. He had a fit of pique over the mascherano incident at old trafford. Now I want some consistency and would like to hear these guys say the book should be thrown at ManYoo.

Button it Lamps.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Their behaviour is one thing, disgusting as it is. Their anti-football against any team that has a better player than a northern Irish international in it is another. The hypocrisy of them. They go on about teams fouling them, getting kicked, parking the bus, hoofing it and how they themselves would never do that. You hear Ferguson come out saying that may be ok for other teams but that manyoo 'have a duty to play attacking football' and then you watch how they play against the big teams - can't string 3 passes together, hoofing it upfield, hacking dfown the oppositions better players, swearing continually at the ref, 10 men behind the ball, hit and hope football. Disgusting.
Then you have the likes of Ferguson claiming that he teaches the youths to respect referees and his players are shouting at him with such venom that there is spittle hitting the ref in the face. Their players continually try to deceive him - where's the respect there? Then Ferguson lambasts the ref in the post match interview. Where's the respect there.

Disgusting from the franchise, but we've come to expect that. at least those of us who haven't been brainwashed by sky.

[POL]

Ferguson would not know respect if it came up and kicked him in the bollix

[Professor Piehead]

Their behaviour is one thing, disgusting as it is. Their anti-football against any team that has a better player than a northern Irish international in it is another. The hypocrisy of them. They go on about teams fouling them, getting kicked, parking the bus, hoofing it and how they themselves would never do that. You hear Ferguson come out saying that may be ok for other teams but that manyoo 'have a duty to play attacking football' and then you watch how they play against the big teams - can't string 3 passes together, hoofing it upfield, hacking dfown the oppositions better players, swearing continually at the ref, 10 men behind the ball, hit and hope football. Disgusting.
Then you have the likes of Ferguson claiming that he teaches the youths to respect referees and his players are shouting at him with such venom that there is spittle hitting the ref in the face. Their players continually try to deceive him - where's the respect there? Then Ferguson lambasts the ref in the post match interview. Where's the respect there.

Disgusting from the franchise, but we've come to expect that. at least those of us who haven't been brainwashed by sky.

Great post.

[Lamps]

I've said it time and again,Alex Ferguson is no better than Ian Paisley and you quote me on that. I cannot differentiate between the two. I'd love to see that other orange bastard McLeish go down now that Sunderland are safe too.

[Lamps]

Their behaviour is one thing, disgusting as it is. Their anti-football against any team that has a better player than a northern Irish international in it is another. The hypocrisy of them. They go on about teams fouling them, getting kicked, parking the bus, hoofing it and how they themselves would never do that. You hear Ferguson come out saying that may be ok for other teams but that manyoo 'have a duty to play attacking football' and then you watch how they play against the big teams - can't string 3 passes together, hoofing it upfield, hacking dfown the oppositions better players, swearing continually at the ref, 10 men behind the ball, hit and hope football. Disgusting.
Then you have the likes of Ferguson claiming that he teaches the youths to respect referees and his players are shouting at him with such venom that there is spittle hitting the ref in the face. Their players continually try to deceive him - where's the respect there? Then Ferguson lambasts the ref in the post match interview. Where's the respect there.

Disgusting from the franchise, but we've come to expect that. at least those of us who haven't been brainwashed by sky.

back of the net Edmund.

[ho chi feen]

Quality bumslappage, lads.

[KolaKubes]

Quality bumslappage, lads.

It's prime ABU bumslappage in all fairness.

Hailing the conquering heroes of Roman's boys.

Dearey me.

[Edmund Blackwater]

I think it's only fair when Chelsea have been written off as a boring, functional, bullying team to point out that manyoo are only cloggers against the better teams.

[ebenezer]

West Brom play the best football in England.

NO JOKE.

[ho chi feen]

I think it's only fair when Chelsea have been written off as a boring, functional, bullying team to point out that manyoo are only cloggers against the better teams.

Depends. Usually against Arsenal United play a good game (definitely this season). But the type of football we play against Chelsea and Liverpool isn't exactly harlem globetrotters stuff. I think you can the same for the majority of matches between the big 4 at any rate.

[ebenezer]

Villarreal V Sevilla would serve up better than anything the Premier Plague could muster.

[ho chi feen]

West Brom play the best football in England.

NO JOKE.

How do you think they'll do next season? Where do they need strengthening?

[ebenezer]

How do you think they'll do next season? Where do they need strengthening?

They might struggle due to the fact they will play an open expansive game (home & away). Mowbray's philosophy.

On the other hand their attacking approach might earn them enough points, and catch a few teams off-guard.

Reading and Wigan have been OK in recent years, excluding this season.

Deffo need strengthening, all over. Mainly in defence.

Actually the midfield looks acceptable.

[dotty]

They might struggle due to the fact they will play an open expansive game home & away). Mowbray's philosophy.

On the other hand their attacking approach might earn them enough points and catch a few teams off-guard.

Reading and Wigan have been OK in recent years, excluding this season.

Deffo need strengthening.

like reading last year could get away with it first year.

need strengthening but also cant afford to lose key players like koren and gera.

how much money will mowbray be given?

[ebenezer]

like reading last year could get away with it first year.

need strengthening but also cant afford to lose key players like koren and gera.

how much money will mowbray be given?

Yeah, those two are quality. Don't forget Greening. I like Chris Brunt too.

When Meggo was in charge he was never given much money.

Not sure if the same board are in place now.

I wouldn't imagine them having them capabilities to spend big.

TBH, I just like Mowbray and the way his team plays.

It's refreshing considering modern styles.

[lionelhutz]

Well, I got that wrong.
A big game is a big game and he just can't do it in them, no matter how tired the opposition are.

Had to laugh at his contribution.
Hands all over Ballack when he came on at the corner and he's crying for a penalty.
Dive for a freekick.
Try to kill opposition player with freekick.
A few more dives, some given some not. Cries when they're not given.
Shot straight at Ashley Cole while screaming for a penalty for Carrick's dive.

What an example this 'man' is to kids.

his biggest contribution was giving up possession cheaply on the edge of chelseas box, leaving the chelsea player, unhindered, take the ball out of defence while he just looked up to heaven and gave the usual shrug, ball down the other end of the pitch and chelsea get the pen.

[dotty]

Yeah, those two are quality. Don't forget Greening. I like Chris Brunt too.

When Meggo was in charge he was never given much money.

Not sure if the same board are in place now.

I wouldn't imagine them having them capabilities to spend big.

TBH, I just like Mowbray and the way his team plays.

will be helped by the new tv deal money but the board seem sensible so no keanesque chequebook splurges,keeping gera and koren at the club will seem like new signings.

davies is only a loan signing at villa and hasnt really done enough for it to be made permanent i reckon,still dont think he'll return to the hawthorns,greening seems to have found his level with the baggies and has been rewarded with the captains armband,brunt has been a fine signing too.

one thing that could be in west broms favour is whoever also may go up with them,west brom + hull/stoke/bristol city would mean they effectively have to beat one current premiership side to stay up next year.

[ebenezer]

one thing that could be in west broms favour is whoever also may go up with them,west brom + hull/stoke/bristol city would mean they effectively have to beat one current premiership side to stay up next year.

Fucking excellent point.

Have thought the same.

[dotty]

Fucking excellent point.

Have thought the same.

tight and competitive championship this year but ultimately weaker,if you compare say potentially stoke going up they are no stronger to derby this year,poorer in my eyes actually,only hull may have a little bit more money but even still by PL standards its pittance.

[Edmund Blackwater]

davies is only a loan signing at villa and hasnt really done enough for it to be made permanent i reckon,still dont think he'll return to the hawthorns,.
Villa will sign him in the summer, I reckon. He's been injured, more or less, since joining them and they will need him with Mellberg heading to Italy. He was on course to being a very good player before the injury, if he can continue to improve after it, he'll be a stalwart in that defence for years to come - if the big boys don't come knocking.

[dotty]

Villa will sign him in the summer, I reckon. He's been injured, more or less, since joining them and they will need him with Mellberg heading to Italy. He was on course to being a very good player before the injury, if he can continue to improve after it, he'll be a stalwart in that defence for years to come - if the big boys don't come knocking.

dont doubt his quality,will be playing premiership football next year,has been injury free though to the best of my knowledge the past month,thought he might have got a run considering as you said mellbergs departure to italy,perhaps villas fine run and chance of european football has stopped o neill tinkering with his side especially defensively.

[Edmund Blackwater]

perhaps villas fine run and chance of european football has stopped o neill tinkering with his side especially defensively.
Definitely.
Also, because he's missed so long, he hasn't had time to settle into a partnership - even in training. I doubt he's fully fit either.

[ebenezer]

This guy definitely has great potential.

Good on the ball too.

A much better version of Rio Ferdinand.

Merk'd. :lol!: :lol!: :lol!:

[keanos dog]

re: edmunds earlier post about united's defensive style against decent opposition. hate to say it but i agree with him. i've lambasted liverpool for it over the years and it saddens me to see united now doing much the same. with the talent available to united they should fear no-one. saturdays game summed it up really. very defensive for the first half and deservedly went in at half time 1-0 down. came out having to attack for the second half and took control of the game and scored the equaliser (albeit with a lot of help from carvalho.) immdietedly revert back to defending, including the ludicrous decision to sub anderson, (who was winning the second half midfield battle) with oshea.

concede a second and within the ten minutes that were left have two cleared off the line. clearly if uniteds intention had been to attack from the off they could and IMO would have beaten chelsea. this putrid (it hurts to say this), fearfull, defend at all costs football is not the united way.


sort it fergie.

[KolaKubes]

re: edmunds earlier post about united's defensive style against decent opposition. hate to say it but i agree with him. i've lambasted liverpool for it over the years and it saddens me to see united now doing much the same. with the talent available to united they should fear no-one. saturdays game summed it up really. very defensive for the first half and deservedly went in at half time 1-0 down. came out having to attack for the second half and took control of the game and scored the equaliser (albeit with a lot of help from carvalho.) immdietedly revert back to defending, including the ludicrous decision to sub anderson, (who was winning the second half midfield battle) with oshea.

concede a second and within the ten minutes that were left have two cleared off the line. clearly if uniteds intention had been to attack from the off they could and IMO would have beaten chelsea. this putrid (it hurts to say this), fearfull, defend at all costs football is not the united way.


sort it fergie.

I suspect it's harming our ability to shift into playing nice technical attacking football as we were not a month or so ago.

Too much time on the training ground doing tactical work and worrying about what the opposition are doing.

Probably with the exception of Ronnie who seems to be allowed do whatever the hell he likes.

[shammy feen]

But for a very late Heskey equalising goal against Wigan, a very late equaliser for spurs in a 4-4 draw, a late winner for Man Utd versus Derby and a very late Tevez goal against Blackburn, we would be 8 points clear of United and champions.

However if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.

such are the fine margins that championships are won and lost by.

Its still Uniteds championship to lose.

Shammy

[xvis]

What a wonderful decision by Fergie to rest Evra for Messi on Tuesday, ...and then United proceed to concede both goals from Chelsea's right flank.

:rolleyes:


..some strange decisions going on. and in a title decider.

[xvis]

What the hell was Vidic doing sticking his head in down there???


..that thick cunt is looking to be the new Kevin Moran, ..It's alright being brave, but it's good to be playing a few matches now and then as well. And the ball was nowhere near a danger area.

That early substitution meant Tevez wasn't on the pitch for the closing moments ...what price Tevez would have hooked that Fletcher header at the death into the roof of the net?! ..it was a trademark Tevez situation.

[STEVIEG]

Heinzeeeesight!


It ain't over yet

Keep the faith

PS-United always do it the hard way:)

[xvis]

Heinzeeeesight!


It ain't over yet

Keep the faith

PS-United always do it the hard way:)


potential Stevie, ..it'd be nice to be playing to their potential.



tbh I'm not too bothered on the league, it'd be embarrassing to lose it from there, but the CL needed a better performance than that.


This is the first I can remember where I cared substantially more for the CL than the PL.

[STEVIEG]

I've felt that they have been playing at about 70% of their potential for awhile now (you could say even worse of Barca and maybe even Chelsea are playing below theres too)

Yeah i can see them blowing both but we shall see at least the maths are clear now no time for fooling anymore

If i was forced to put my life on it i'd say 1-1 or 2-2 but i'm gonna go with my heart and predict a United win

[keanos dog]

given a straight choice between the league and CL i'd take the league.however there is the horrible prospect of THEM winning the CL so right now i'd take the CL.however of chelsea do the business on wen i'd take the league.

[keanos dog]

I've felt that they have been playing at about 70% of their potential for awhile now (you could say even worse of Barca and maybe even Chelsea are playing below theres too)

Yeah i can see them blowing both but we shall see at least the maths are clear now no time for fooling anymore

If i was forced to put my life on it i'd say 1-1 or 2-2 but i'm gonna go with my heart and predict a United win

score draw i'm afraid.how many times have the away goals cost united in europe. it'll happen again.


hope i'm wrong obviously.

[KolaKubes]

What the hell was Vidic doing sticking his head in down there???.

I have to agree with this one, it was idiotic.

People can argue about how his bravery contrasts with Ferdinand but the former is actually fit and well most of the time. There is a happy medium.



PS-United always do it the hard way:)

The greatest Fergie myth of the lot.

We only do it the hard way because his teams have a habit of getting complacent from "winning positions".

Superstitious claptrap.

We're in the position we are in the league now because Utd have put in woeful, half-arsed performances while missing key personnel by choice in the last few league games, most absurdly of all at the Bridge on Saturday.

That particular buck stops with Ferguson.

[lionelhutz]

I've felt that they have been playing at about 70% of their potential for awhile now (you could say even worse of Barca and maybe even Chelsea are playing below theres too)

Yeah i can see them blowing both but we shall see at least the maths are clear now no time for fooling anymore



stevie from the first couple matches of the season ive been seeing 'we could have upped a gear' and the like. problem is, thats usually good enough against derby and bolton, but it will catch them against the likes of chelsea and barca. if its 70% for most of the season then maybe that 30% doesn't actually exist. didn't sky give a stat the other day that the combined utd players on the pitch against chelsea had less goals than ronaldo. if somethin happens him then they'll want a helluva lot more than an extra 30% from the rest

[jimmy magee]

Re: Ferguson


his teams have a habit of getting complacent from "winning positions".

.

:confused: :confused: think about this again

[KolaKubes]

:confused: :confused: think about this again

No, I won't Jimmy.

This is the same Utd side that handed everyone a five point head start because we reported back for action not fully fit, for example.

The European Cup has clouded many's the league campaign when I've been following them.

Resting key players ahead of a game away to your main title rivals?

Honestly.

[STEVIEG]

I have to agree with this one, it was idiotic.

People can argue about how his bravery contrasts with Ferdinand but the former is actually fit and well most of the time. There is a happy medium.



The greatest Fergie myth of the lot.

We only do it the hard way because his teams have a habit of getting complacent from "winning positions".

Superstitious claptrap.

We're in the position we are in the league now because Utd have put in woeful, half-arsed performances while missing key personnel by choice in the last few league games, most absurdly of all at the Bridge on Saturday.

That particular buck stops with Ferguson.

whooshhhhhhhhhhhh


That was my point about "doing it the hard way"

as for giving out about defenders sticking their heads in the wrong places lads come on FFS it was a freak accident we are over-analysing things now


Managing 3 games in 6 days was always gonna be tough but United are not done yet


They need a performance tonight to justify it all though

[STEVIEG]

stevie from the first couple matches of the season ive been seeing 'we could have upped a gear' and the like. problem is, thats usually good enough against derby and bolton, but it will catch them against the likes of chelsea and barca. if its 70% for most of the season then maybe that 30% doesn't actually exist. didn't sky give a stat the other day that the combined utd players on the pitch against chelsea had less goals than ronaldo. if somethin happens him then they'll want a helluva lot more than an extra 30% from the rest

Yeah and Ronaldo himself could have had another 10 goals this season too it is all relative

Rooney and Tevez could have added another 20 between them

This is football

Also, United have played worse against the Derby's and Bolton's of the world than against the Chelseas, and even in the champions league, till now at least, they have been pretty good and effective (could change tonight!)

[jimmy magee]

Resting key players ahead of a game away to your main title rivals?


yes yes, completely retarded,,, no denying it,,

:arrow: Ferguson is a timmy tactician/strategist who's lucky to have been blessed with great youngsters over the years, He's also now fortunate that he has stacks of corporate cash to buy top players,, who mask his many inadequacies. BAILED OUT


Think about how Utd have fared over the past 15 years. They have often 'dug deep' (ie scored in last minute when pressure was on, got that 1-0).

Arsenal were unbeaten a few years ago, Chelsea did not slip up when winning titles. Nothing here bout Utd getting complacent, cos they did not find themselves in a position to be such a way

Utd rarely concede from winning positions, only time that i
can remember was 94-95. And even that wasn't a spec implosion.

Newcastle got 'complacent', Arsenal this season 'shat it'.

Utd are, more often than not, ruthless.

[KolaKubes]

yes yes, completely retarded,,, no denying it,,

:arrow: Ferguson is a timmy tactician/strategist who's lucky to have been blessed with great youngsters over the years, He's also now fortunate that he has stacks of corporate cash to buy top players,, who mask his many inadequacies. BAILED OUT


Think about how Utd have fared over the past 15 years. They have often 'dug deep' (ie scored in last minute when pressure was on, got that 1-0).

Arsenal were unbeaten a few years ago, Chelsea did not slip up when winning titles. Nothing here bout Utd getting complacent, cos they did not find themselves in a position to be such a way

Utd rarely concede from winning positions, only time that i
can remember was 94-95. And even that wasn't a spec implosion.

Newcastle got 'complacent', Arsenal this season 'shat it'.

Utd are, more often than not, ruthless.

Ah, they don't necessarily bottle it at the end of the day (and might not this time around either) but they make it unduly hard for themselves. Perhaps because Fergie is not the tactical genius of his imagination.

He is, however, unreal for putting together great squads of players. i suppose the sense is that if you could combine his squad management with someone with a bit better tactical ability, they should have won another two European Cups in modern times.

[lionelhutz]

Yeah and Ronaldo himself could have had another 10 goals this season too it is all relative

Rooney and Tevez could have added another 20 between them

This is football

Also, United have played worse against the Derby's and Bolton's of the world than against the Chelseas, and even in the champions league, till now at least, they have been pretty good and effective (could change tonight!)

'its all relative' doesnt wash in this context. trawl through the utd threads this season and all i hear about is continual references to 'utd could have upped a gear', 'not playing to their full potential'. some media are the same, not playin to their full potential? well, bar some outstanding performances, it hasn't happended, so in my mind that '70%' level over the course of the season is actually their level. all teams could say they're not at their full potential. they were outplayed at chelsea, the game at old trafford had unusual circumstances but was fairly even. at anfield they stuck 10 behind the ball and got a lucky break. the arsenal matches wer fairly even but i wouldnt say they played extremely well against any of those teams.

as for the boltons of the league i think they've scraped past some of those this season but then again they've hockeyed some of them, even the villas of the league. i just think there has to be some realism as to their 'potential', somewhere between the hype of the freak thrashing of roma and the doom and gloom following a creditible draw at barca

[STEVIEG]

'its all relative' doesnt wash in this context. trawl through the utd threads this season and all i hear about is continual references to 'utd could have upped a gear', 'not playing to their full potential'. some media are the same, not playin to their full potential? well, bar some outstanding performances, it hasn't happended, so in my mind that '70%' level over the course of the season is actually their level. all teams could say they're not at their full potential. they were outplayed at chelsea, the game at old trafford had unusual circumstances but was fairly even. at anfield they stuck 10 behind the ball and got a lucky break. the arsenal matches wer fairly even but i wouldnt say they played extremely well against any of those teams.

as for the boltons of the league i think they've scraped past some of those this season but then again they've hockeyed some of them, even the villas of the league. i just think there has to be some realism as to their 'potential', somewhere between the hype of the freak thrashing of roma and the doom and gloom following a creditible draw at barca

Don't think anyone got carried away at beating Roma this year

Or Villa or Arsenal

Go back and see my original point about potential, i argued that Chelsea and Barca were the same (almost all teams are really)

Most teams in Europe have underperfromed, some, like say Wigan lately and even Villa and Villareal and Fiorentina, have over-performed

If you think United are simply lucky at Anfield every year you are deluded, when teams come to old trafford and take points like that they are rightly praised as tactically good

[scrumpy]

should chelsea win the league the PFA team of the year will look like a bit of a joke

[STEVIEG]

should chelsea win the league the PFA team of the year will look like a bit of a joke

I don't think these things matter anyway but a lot of Chelsea players haven't played that much or have been way under par

Who would get into that team?

Drogba or Anelka ahead of Adebayor and Torres????


Not a chance

Carvalho (crap most of the season)?????

Terry (not as good as usual)

Lampard and Essien are the closest contenders but even then, they have been patchy, though Essien is the main man at the moment for me

[ho chi feen]

yes yes, completely retarded,,, no denying it,,

:arrow: Ferguson is a timmy tactician/strategist who's lucky to have been blessed with great youngsters over the years, He's also now fortunate that he has stacks of corporate cash to buy top players,, who mask his many inadequacies. BAILED OUT


Think about how Utd have fared over the past 15 years. They have often 'dug deep' (ie scored in last minute when pressure was on, got that 1-0).

Arsenal were unbeaten a few years ago, Chelsea did not slip up when winning titles. Nothing here bout Utd getting complacent, cos they did not find themselves in a position to be such a way

Utd rarely concede from winning positions, only time that i
can remember was 94-95. And even that wasn't a spec implosion.

Newcastle got 'complacent', Arsenal this season 'shat it'.

Utd are, more often than not, ruthless.

Stall on Jimmy- If I'm right, then you support Milan, yes? I club that has failed to turn a profit in the 23 years since Berlusconi got it, and turned it into a vanity project- signing the greatest players in the world, season after season, turning a team that had been going through a prolonged era of crisis into one of the greatest club sides the world has ever seen- augmenting its spine with exceptional (and costly) talent from abroad- back in 1988, players like Baresi and Donadoni (not even the highest paid players in the team) were earning more money the highest paid player in England 8 years LATER. Milan are a still a loss-making operation, were bailed out nicely (to the tune of €242 million) by a law passed by Berlusconi in 2002, which allowed players devaluation over time to be written off against tax. Even now, they still make losses- and although Berlusconi is slower to brankroll big spends on fee (in the last 4 years), he's still kept this great club afloat while it lives beyond its means.

People in glass houses, and all that.

There's a lot that can be said about United, but one thing nobody can say is that they haven't reaped their financial strengths of the back of their own success on the field.

[jimmy magee]

Berlusconi and his tax schemes.. what a pro, i didn't even know. i'm not disputing what you write.


re: the bit you've highlighted

Ferguson plays his players out of position,, hindering the players' potential by doing this,,
Ferguson arrogantly chooses fucked up formations ;' "my players are better that yours, so it does nae really matter how i choose to present my team, we'll win anyway"

they are top of the league and in cl semi final.. does this justify his tactical tinkerings?

even though he's a tactical clown (imo) he gets bailed out by the players he has,, who make up for his bumblings and get on with it regardless!!?! do ya get me??


edit: if it wasn't for the massive money poured into club in last few years, they'd be fucked. Just the same as if it wasn't for the youth team of the nineties, they wouldn't be the corporate giant they are

[KolaKubes]

edit: if it wasn't for the massive money poured into club in last few years, they'd be fucked. Just the same as if it wasn't for the youth team of the nineties, they wouldn't be the corporate giant they are

Eh?

Who's massive money would this be Jimmy?

Careful now, whatever else, us bumslappers know the ins and outs of our own club.

And who f*cking moulded the youth team of the nineties, turned them into top class footballers?

The tooth fairy.

There's not a manager who's produced more professional footballers, including Monsieur Wenger.

[ebenezer]

There's not a manager who's produced more professional footballers, including Monsieur Wenger.


Dario Gradi. :cool:

[lionelhutz]

I don't think these things matter anyway but a lot of Chelsea players haven't played that much or have been way under par

Who would get into that team?

Drogba or Anelka ahead of Adebayor and Torres????


Not a chance

Carvalho (crap most of the season)?????

Terry (not as good as usual)

Lampard and Essien are the closest contenders but even then, they have been patchy, though Essien is the main man at the moment for me

fuck sake stevie, what are you on about. carvalho has been excellent, perhaps not as good as his very high standards but id take him ahead of vidic and rio every time, including this season. lampard for all his supposed faults is the most consistent goalscoring midfielder in the prem and is as deserving as gerrard. essien should be in the team without a doubt. id have drogba ahead of adeybayor, cole is at least on a par with evra and clichy this season, and again he's not performing as well as he has. cech is the best goalkeeper in the prem by a long stretch and joe cole in the last third of the season has been one of the best attacking midfielders in the league. add to that makelele, ballack, terry and the anelka. not that bad a shitheap as pubes was describing

[ebenezer]

Joey Cole is a quality player for an Englishman.

Has flair & good technique added with more non-typical English attributes.

Cool/calm in front of goal aswell.

[KolaKubes]

Dario Gradi. :cool:

This is plain wrong ebeneezer.

1. Saffy
2. Wenger
3. Liverpool ( I think)

Though Crewe are batting well above their weight alright.

[lionelhutz]

us bumslappers know the ins and outs of our own club.
.

oh dear lord!...

[ebenezer]

This is plain wrong ebeneezer.

1. Saffy
2. Wenger
3. Liverpool ( I think)

Though Crewe are batting well above their weight alright.

Should have used this :rolleyes: instead of this :cool:

[STEVIEG]

fuck sake stevie, what are you on about. carvalho has been excellent, perhaps not as good as his very high standards but id take him ahead of vidic and rio every time, including this season. lampard for all his supposed faults is the most consistent goalscoring midfielder in the prem and is as deserving as gerrard. essien should be in the team without a doubt. id have drogba ahead of adeybayor, cole is at least on a par with evra and clichy this season, and again he's not performing as well as he has. cech is the best goalkeeper in the prem by a long stretch and joe cole in the last third of the season has been one of the best attacking midfielders in the league. add to that makelele, ballack, terry and the anelka. not that bad a shitheap as pubes was describing


Carvalho has been well dodgy most of the season

Lampard has been okay but nothing special

Drogba has doen fuck all

Joe cole has been only here and there

Anelka has done fuck all for them

and Ashley Cole has no way been as good as the other two in that position

Cech has been very dodgy too

Overall Chelsea as a team have done okay, but as individuals, not really

If they win the league the TEAM wil be rewarded and i'll doff my cap, but forgive me for watching more than just one game last Saturday

[lionelhutz]

Carvalho has been well dodgy most of the season

Lampard has been okay but nothing special

Drogba has doen fuck all

Joe cole has been only here and there

Anelka has done fuck all for them

and Ashley Cole has no way been as good as the other two in that position

Cech has been very dodgy too

Overall Chelsea as a team have done okay, but as individuals, not really

If they win the league the TEAM wil be rewarded and i'll doff my cap, but forgive me for watching more than just one game last Saturday

i thought that was the only game you were basing your opinions on.

[STEVIEG]

i thought that was the only game you were basing your opinions on.

Nah they shipped 4 goals on two occassions he and Terry have been not as good but in fairness, they are all big players and have a chance of winning the two still



one of the reasons i wouldn't have them in a team of the year is that a lot have been out for long stretches

[lionelhutz]

Nah they shipped 4 goals on two occassions he and Terry have been not as good but in fairness, they are all big players and have a chance of winning the two still



one of the reasons i wouldn't have them in a team of the year is that a lot have been out for long stretches

certainly terry certainly hasnt been as good, not this season or last. and when you look at cole being out injured a lot and them not having a decent right back i think carvalho has been very good, if not as good as he can be. id still have him in ahead of the 2 utd lads. theyve only 3 or 4 goals more conceded than utd with a lot less settled defence. id have evra ahead of clichy.

aston vill have the second highest goals tally i think but you wouldnt say they have the best strikers

[STEVIEG]

certainly terry certainly hasnt been as good, not this season or last. and when you look at cole being out injured a lot and them not having a decent right back i think carvalho has been very good, if not as good as he can be. id still have him in ahead of the 2 utd lads. theyve only 3 or 4 goals more conceded than utd with a lot less settled defence. id have evra ahead of clichy.

aston vill have the second highest goals tally i think but you wouldnt say they have the best strikers

I wouldn't have Vidic in there to be honest

Though United have been shaky as fuck without him

anyway, who cares team of the years mean fuck all

[Lee Bushwacker]

'its all relative' doesnt wash in this context. trawl through the utd threads this season and all i hear about is continual references to 'utd could have upped a gear', 'not playing to their full potential'. some media are the same, not playin to their full potential? well, bar some outstanding performances, it hasn't happended, so in my mind that '70%' level over the course of the season is actually their level. all teams could say they're not at their full potential. they were outplayed at chelsea, the game at old trafford had unusual circumstances but was fairly even. at anfield they stuck 10 behind the ball and got a lucky break. the arsenal matches wer fairly even but i wouldnt say they played extremely well against any of those teams.

as for the boltons of the league i think they've scraped past some of those this season but then again they've hockeyed some of them, even the villas of the league. i just think there has to be some realism as to their 'potential', somewhere between the hype of the freak thrashing of roma and the doom and gloom following a creditible draw at barca

Then WHY are United top of the league? :lol: :lol:

[Professor Piehead]

Then WHY are United top of the league? :lol: :lol:

Biased referees, dirty tricks, cheating, diving and visits to prostitutes. Oh, and honing their fighting skills on women.

[Lee Bushwacker]

Berlusconi and his tax schemes.. what a pro, i didn't even know. i'm not disputing what you write.


re: the bit you've highlighted

Ferguson plays his players out of position,, hindering the players' potential by doing this,,
Ferguson arrogantly chooses fucked up formations ;' "my players are better that yours, so it does nae really matter how i choose to present my team, we'll win anyway"

they are top of the league and in cl semi final.. does this justify his tactical tinkerings?

even though he's a tactical clown (imo) he gets bailed out by the players he has,, who make up for his bumblings and get on with it regardless!!?! do ya get me??


edit: if it wasn't for the massive money poured into club in last few years, they'd be fucked. Just the same as if it wasn't for the youth team of the nineties, they wouldn't be the corporate giant they are

Alex has built 3 different P.L.winning sides you prick! The 1993-94 side didn't
have the "corporate banking" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[keanos dog]

Biased referees, dirty tricks, cheating, diving and visits to prostitutes. Oh, and honing their fighting skills on women.

heh heh heh.

[Lee Bushwacker]

Biased referees, dirty tricks, cheating, diving and visits to prostitutes. Oh, and honing their fighting skills on women.

Do "Bumnal", "Chelski" and "Kidneypool" spend their free time in the "confession-box" then, you ABU wanker? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Professor Piehead]

Do "Bumnal", "Chelski" and "Kidneypool" spend their free time in the "confession-box" then, you ABU wanker? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Rattlement of biblical proportions.

I forgot rape, Man Yoo players love a bit of rape, get's their eye in for the big game.

[mirps]

Rattlement of biblical proportions.

I forgot rape, Man Yoo players love a bit of rape, get's their eye in for the big game.

Fergie doesn't recommend it the night before a big game though, anytime else is fine.

Didn't Sven ban all the Utd players from raping women throughout the whole of the last World Cup? With hindsight, it was probably the wrong decision.

[Professor Piehead]

Fergie doesn't recommend it the night before a big game though, anytime else is fine.

Didn't Sven ban all the Utd players from raping women throughout the whole of the last World Cup? With hindsight, it was probably the wrong decision.

He did, they took no notice though.

Portugal had no such embargo, business as usual for young Wrongaldo.

[Philby]

Playing 3 games in a few days and getting injuries was gonna be tough but i thought the reds played with good pride in the 2nd half and think they will take the positives once the dust settles

Didn't realise that Liverpool were involved Stevie!? ;-)

[Professor Piehead]

Didn't realise that Liverpool were involved Stevie!? ;-)

What do they teach them in bumslapper school these days. :rolleyes:

[ho chi feen]

Rattlement of biblical proportions.

I forgot rape, Man Yoo players love a bit of rape, get's their eye in for the big game.

In the butt.

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[ebenezer]

We gave United a battering.

[scrumpy]

The REMATCH is on....

[ebenezer]

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[xvis]

..I'm reminded of the FA cup final last year.

[Professor Piehead]

Poor eb, cheering for other teams because your own is so wank, it must be difficult for you.