Georgie Slams Rico

[farranreeboy]

O'Callaghan slams Rico on return


by Ruairi Corr, 02 February 2008

George O’Callaghan has accused former Cork City manager Damien Richardson of holding his career back, as he returns to the club for the coming season.

A highly-public fallout between Richardson and the midfielder saw O’Callaghan moving to championship side Ipswich, where an unsuccessful first season saw him farmed out on loan to Brighton in League One.

Alan Matthews has now replaced Richardson as the boss at Turners Cross, and O’Callaghan feels that they can deliver a league title to Cork City again.

“I’d made my mind up to come back early on,” O’Callaghan told the Examiner.

“Especially with Rico going. I knew Alan was taking over then. And to be fair, things weren’t going so well at Ipswich. I didn’t want to go down to a League One team. I’ve missed playing at the Cross.

"I’ve missed the lads as well so it’s nice to be back and it’s like I’ve never been away really. They know what I’m like so there’s been no problem at all.”

His time at Ipswich was constrained by poor form and meningitis, not helped by a red card on his full debut, but O’Callaghan is also convinced that his reputation had followed him there, leading him to be put on loan.

“People see me as a mix between Joey Barton and George Best. My first day in England, someone from the FAI, I won’t say who, rang up Ipswich and asked them why they’d signed me, saying I was a bad egg. It came to the stage in England that clubs didn’t really want to go near me.”

O’Callaghan claims that Leeds manager Dennis Wise was one player who was turned off by rumours about his personality.

“Dennis Wise told my agent that he wanted me but he’d heard I was a raving lunatic. When Dennis Wise is saying that about you, you haven’t got a hope.”

The 28-year-old’s time at Brighton then ended after he criticised chairman Dick Knight’s handling of player contracts.

“I hammered the chairman in a press interview. I wanted to come home. Ipswich are a fantastic club and if I wasn’t going to get to play with them, I wasn’t going to stay. I improved as a player there.

“But I’m one of those players that has to be loved. I didn’t have that at Ipswich. When that doesn’t happen, my heart isn’t in it, and I lost interest.”

O’Callaghan maintains that this desire for attention lay behind his problems with Richardson, who publicly chastised him after he got sent off in a game against Bohemians. The manager also fined him two weeks' wages, after he refused to play following the criticism.

“Rico didn’t like the attention I got off everyone. Any chance of me going, he was happy to see. They all were. A bit of it was my fault obviously, but I just confronted him about the things he was saying in the press. I trusted him. But I lost it when I read those things.

“I’m my own man and I have my own opinions,” O’Callaghan continued.

“I’m a bit stubborn. It got to the stage where neither of us could back down which was a shame because I think I lost out and they lost one of their best players. It was a terrible five months. I was sat at home watching the lads play in Europe.”

Named Eircom League Player of the Year for 2005, O’Callaghan claims that his return could herald another title-winning season for the Cork side.

“It has affected my career a little bit and all I can do now is just go out and win the league for Cork City, and just be player of the year again. And get Turner’s Cross buzzing again every week.”

Setanta.com

[MonTheHoops]

What a complete & utter tosser.

[bilbaofeen]

he is some wank stain, i saw him driving as well-didnt he get banned for two years???

[MonTheHoops]

EVERY club he's been to there's been a fall out. Does he ever stop and think who the common denominator is?

[raZor]

A mix between Joey Barton and George Best?

[Kimeartimmyboy]

ya
hes irish and .....uh a man(with mental issues)

i dont think denis wise would give a shit about you being crazy
a bellend,
ya he'd have issues with one of that alright

[gregson1]

don't know who this guy is to be honest but what a muppet...

[#11sully]

O'Callaghan slams Rico on return


by Ruairi Corr, 02 February 2008

George O’Callaghan has accused former Cork City manager Damien Richardson of holding his career back, as he returns to the club for the coming season.

A highly-public fallout between Richardson and the midfielder saw O’Callaghan moving to championship side Ipswich, where an unsuccessful first season saw him farmed out on loan to Brighton in League One.

Alan Matthews has now replaced Richardson as the boss at Turners Cross, and O’Callaghan feels that they can deliver a league title to Cork City again.

“I’d made my mind up to come back early on,” O’Callaghan told the Examiner.

“Especially with Rico going. I knew Alan was taking over then. And to be fair, things weren’t going so well at Ipswich. I didn’t want to go down to a League One team. I’ve missed playing at the Cross.

"I’ve missed the lads as well so it’s nice to be back and it’s like I’ve never been away really. They know what I’m like so there’s been no problem at all.”

His time at Ipswich was constrained by poor form and meningitis, not helped by a red card on his full debut, but O’Callaghan is also convinced that his reputation had followed him there, leading him to be put on loan.

“People see me as a mix between Joey Barton and George Best. My first day in England, someone from the FAI, I won’t say who, rang up Ipswich and asked them why they’d signed me, saying I was a bad egg. It came to the stage in England that clubs didn’t really want to go near me.”

O’Callaghan claims that Leeds manager Dennis Wise was one player who was turned off by rumours about his personality.

“Dennis Wise told my agent that he wanted me but he’d heard I was a raving lunatic. When Dennis Wise is saying that about you, you haven’t got a hope.”

The 28-year-old’s time at Brighton then ended after he criticised chairman Dick Knight’s handling of player contracts.

“I hammered the chairman in a press interview. I wanted to come home. Ipswich are a fantastic club and if I wasn’t going to get to play with them, I wasn’t going to stay. I improved as a player there.

“But I’m one of those players that has to be loved. I didn’t have that at Ipswich. When that doesn’t happen, my heart isn’t in it, and I lost interest.”

O’Callaghan maintains that this desire for attention lay behind his problems with Richardson, who publicly chastised him after he got sent off in a game against Bohemians. The manager also fined him two weeks' wages, after he refused to play following the criticism.

“Rico didn’t like the attention I got off everyone. Any chance of me going, he was happy to see. They all were. A bit of it was my fault obviously, but I just confronted him about the things he was saying in the press. I trusted him. But I lost it when I read those things.

“I’m my own man and I have my own opinions,” O’Callaghan continued.

“I’m a bit stubborn. It got to the stage where neither of us could back down which was a shame because I think I lost out and they lost one of their best players. It was a terrible five months. I was sat at home watching the lads play in Europe.”

Named Eircom League Player of the Year for 2005, O’Callaghan claims that his return could herald another title-winning season for the Cork side.

“It has affected my career a little bit and all I can do now is just go out and win the league for Cork City, and just be player of the year again. And get Turner’s Cross buzzing again every week.”

Setanta.com
What a legend. Can't wait to see him play out the x again. Bring it on.

don't know who this guy is to be honest but what a muppet...

If you don't know the guy how can you call him a muppet. This is the way Georgie is and its this attitude made him a legend at the x already.

[MonTheHoops]

If you don't know the guy how can you call him a muppet. This is the way Georgie is and its this attitude made him a legend at the x already.

People should pick & choose their heroes more carefully.

[ccfc1984]

What a legend. Can't wait to see him play out the x again. Bring it on.



If you don't know the guy how can you call him a muppet. This is the way Georgie is and its this attitude made him a legend at the x already.

Exactly, the man spoke his mind, fair play to him. Also the Barton/Best comparison is about the way people look at him as just a trouble maker. Also he admitted he had some fault in his departure and so did Rico but you don't see Rico admitting that. Welcome home George, i can't wait for the season to start.

[bricktop]

'A cross between Barton and Best'
Is this fucker for real???
He's obviously talking about their off the pitch antics.

[megatron]

he'll win ye the league yet again, what he does off the field is his own business what he does on it matters

[Liathroidi Mor]

He's a complete wanker!! He really does rate himself highly!!! Who the fuck does he think he is interfering with a clubs structure (Barnsley) and having a go at the chairman when he was on loan!!! No wonder they fucked him out!!! Also said he wasn't dropping to league 1 but then gives out about Dennis Wise not wanting him who WAS a manager of a league 1 team!!!!

He's a complete waster!!!

[#11sully]

Hope he still has them famous white boots. :lol:

[Kimeartimmyboy]

match his white flag he flew in inglind.
not
good
enough

[#11sully]

match his white flag he flew in inglind.
not
good
enough

Bla bla bla. Not good enough or not given a fair crack of the whip. I know someone who kept in contact with Georgie while he was cross the water and you wouldn't beleive the way he was treated by some managers. The same can be said about Danny Murphy. FACT!!!

englands loss is citys gain. As a city fan I would much rather see him play out the x and in the el.

[ho chi feen]

Jesus. He comes across as a sanctimonious toss-pot in that piece anyway.

[DogTheLangerHunter]

Utter prick altogether.Not given the opportunity my fuck,someone tell him he has to earn it.

[Kimeartimmyboy]

hang on now
i(everyone im sure)have no problem with fellas going away to make a go of it in any sport/job/whatever.
you succeed-pat on the back. you dont-unlucky,you tried,at least you crossed the line.
but to come back with that atitude.
i get the impression,from that,that hes a cocky fuck with no modesty and crazy opinions of himself

[MonTheHoops]

Bla bla bla. Not good enough or not given a fair crack of the whip. I know someone who kept in contact with Georgie while he was cross the water and you wouldn't beleive the way he was treated by some managers. The same can be said about Danny Murphy. FACT!!!

englands loss is citys gain. As a city fan I would much rather see him play out the x and in the el.

Poor oul George. Everyone else is given a chance but me.

Maybe the fact he's a wanker puts managers off no?

[3pointplay]

Am more happy Dan is back.

[Kenneth Hickey]

All the georgiephiles are right,

Legend.

[#11sully]

Poor oul George. Everyone else is given a chance but me.

Maybe the fact he's a wanker puts managers off no?

Georgie had his chance (twice). Manages didn't like him so nothing he could do about it. He was quoated as saying he was glad to get that second chance, it didn't work out but he did what he wanted to. Now its time for him to grace the soccer pitches of Ireland once again and entertain the good people of turners cross soccer stadium.

As for putting managers off, read the first post. He says someone from the fai were calling english clubs warning them off him. Now how low can you get? Trying to ruin a guys chance of making it in england before he even went over there.

[ho chi feen]

Georgie had his chance (twice). Manages didn't like him so nothing he could do about it. He was quoated as saying he was glad to get that second chance, it didn't work out but he did what he wanted to. Now its time for him to grace the soccer pitches of Ireland once again and entertain the good people of turners cross soccer stadium.

As for putting managers off, read the first post. He says someone from the fai were calling english clubs warning them off him. Now how low can you get? Trying to ruin a guys chance of making it in england before he even went over there.

If this is true, why the reluctance to name names?

Georgie should leave his talking for the football field, because he's clearly an idiot when it comes to shooting off his mouth off it.

[Loftydog]

Things went tits up for him the last time round when he went to the press making statements. Would he ever just shut it and try and concentrate on doing what he is paid to do

[the puerto rican feen]

Riordans will be delighted to see him back.

[#11sully]

If this is true, why the reluctance to name names?

Georgie should leave his talking for the football field, because he's clearly an idiot when it comes to shooting off his mouth off it.

He won't name names because it could ruin his chances of getting an Ireland call up :rolleyes:

Georgie always does his talking on the pitch. The talking off it is mostly to wind up other players. He is going to be a marked man when the league starts after the above comments but thats what GOC is all about. Winding up players off the pitch and when they try and cut him in two (and no protection from the officials) he just embarrasses them. Shels were a prime example of this. The man is a city legend and no doubt he will bring the crowds back to the x.

[#11sully]

Things went tits up for him the last time round when he went to the press making statements. Would he ever just shut it and try and concentrate on doing what he is paid to do

It was rico the tit went to the press.

[Langer Dan]

He's still a prick then.

Rico was right to f**k that waster out of the club.

[ccfc1984]

he'll win ye the league yet again, what he does off the field is his own business what he does on it matters

Finally, someone with a bit of sense.

I think it's great though, look at all the people in this thread alone that he has managed to wind up already.

Also it was supposedly Brian Kerr that rang an Ipswich scout who did a bit of work for him with Ireland to warn them about Georgie. I can't remember his name, it's on the City forum anyway if ye want to check it out.

[M&M]

He won't name names because it could ruin his chances of getting an Ireland call up :rolleyes:


Aye, he can't get his game with Ipswich but he'd due for an Irish call up as soon as Trapattoni is appointed.

[steve sanders]

any footballer, or any person, who at the age of 28 admits they 'have to be loved' is throwing up some britney-esque red flags.

but he'll be home in cork now and do well i'm sure. city have a strong looking squad and really should win the league. where we're getting the money for wages i don't know, and given the way of things with city, don't really want to.

[Echoboy]

A mix between Joey Barton and George Best?

Referring to peoples impression of him drinking and living the high life. Not his footballing ability. Read the context.

He has also had people from the FAI ringing Ipswich behind his back bad mouthing him, completely underhanded but nothing we haven't come to expect for the fathers of football in Ireland.

[Kimeartimmyboy]

any footballer, or any person, who at the age of 28 admits they 'have to be loved' is throwing up some britney-esque red flags.

but he'll be home in cork now and do well i'm sure. city have a strong looking squad and really should win the league. where we're getting the money for wages i don't know, and given the way of things with city, don't really want to.

go the the langers forum.
chips
un-yun rings
sausajes
alot of them

[Kimeartimmyboy]

Referring to peoples impression of him drinking and living the high life. Not his footballing ability. Read the context.

He has also had people from the FAI ringing Ipswich behind his back bad mouthing him, completely underhanded but nothing we haven't come to expect for the fathers of football in Ireland.
well why didnt he ram it up their asses with dazzling football and goals.
english clubs hardly look at the fai today and think "thats a sound organisation"

[Echoboy]

he is some wank stain, i saw him driving as well-didnt he get banned for two years???

Yeah, and the ban is up now.

As if he's the only guy to ever have drank and drive, we are in Ireland, there'll be another 10 dead this weekend remember.

He got caught, got punished and hopefully has learnt his lesson. How many stories have we heard of players killing people on the roads, running from the scene and getting off with it practically scot free. Dig those threads up why dont ya and see the reaction there.

Georgie is a cocky fucker, we all know that. Move on

[Echoboy]

well why didnt he ram it up their asses with dazzling football and goals.
english clubs hardly look at the fai today and think "thats a sound organisation"

The two people involved wouldn't let that happen, you'll find out who i'm on about and you'll say "oh yeah, i can see what happened there so"

Look, he is back now and for City fans its a good thing. Move on

[Echoboy]

but he'll be home in cork now and do well i'm sure. city have a strong looking squad and really should win the league. where we're getting the money for wages i don't know, and given the way of things with city, don't really want to.

Ah, that'll be the new investors. Its their money, they can spend it how they wish. Unless you want to give them a call with some advice, i'm sure they'll welcome it.

[#11sully]

Aye, he can't get his game with Ipswich but he'd due for an Irish call up as soon as Trapattoni is appointed.

:silly: Goway ya tool. What part of the sarcastic remark didn't you get. Thought the rollies would have given that away.

[#11sully]

Yeah, and the ban is up now.

As if he's the only guy to ever have drank and drive, we are in Ireland, there'll be another 10 dead this weekend remember.

He got caught, got punished and hopefully has learnt his lesson. How many stories have we heard of players killing people on the roads, running from the scene and getting off with it practically scot free. Dig those threads up why dont ya and see the reaction there.
Georgie is a cocky fucker, we all know that. Move on

They would be ok by some people on here because they are proberly not from cork.

[scrumpy]

George is a LANGER

[#11sully]

George is a LANGER

:shock: Thats a great argument.

[MonTheHoops]

:shock: Thats a great argument.


About as good an argument as "That's the way Georgie is, deal with it"

[Langer Dan]

Slaggin off Damien Richardson in the papers after hes gone from the club, class act.



what a wanker of a man.
Couldnt hack it in England x2, wouldnt have him anywhere near the club after his carry on last time around.

[Mr.Mister]

Slaggin off Damien Richardson in the papers after hes gone from the club, class act.



what a wanker of a man.
Couldnt hack it in England x2, wouldnt have him anywhere near the club after his carry on last time around.

Doesn't matter what we say or anything,the city faithful worship him and he'll always earn more money than us,so he's got it handy.

I met the guy a few times,from playing hurling etc,i thought he was a genuine guy,and anytime he ever saw me he always came up and said hello,obviously he's got a screw lose in the head,but look,we're all on the internet,with our 'friends' so we must surely be on par at some level?

[Langer Dan]

Doesn't matter what we say or anything,the city faithful worship him and he'll always earn more money than us,so he's got it handy.

I met the guy a few times,from playing hurling etc,i thought he was a genuine guy,and anytime he ever saw me he always came up and said hello,obviously he's got a screw lose in the head,but look,we're all on the internet,with our 'friends' so we must surely be on par at some level?

What sort of money are they on at citeh?

[Mr.Mister]

What sort of money are they on at citeh?

I suppose he'd be getting 1500 -2k weekly at a guess,thats what i'd imagine.

[Langer Dan]

Id be surprised if city could afford those sort of wages.
Looking at what championship players are on Id say they're on a lot less.

[Mr.Mister]

Id be surprised if city could afford those sort of wages.
Looking at what championship players are on Id say they're on a lot less.

I reckon championship players earn about 5k sterling at a guess

[Echoboy]

Id be surprised if city could afford those sort of wages.
Looking at what championship players are on Id say they're on a lot less.

Wrong, and i'm not saying either.

[aghabullogue 1890]

Georgie is back. I don't follow city too much, but I think maybe he's a little bit innocent behind it all and loves a bit of attention. He should have tried to impress them in Engerlund but he obviously wasn't up to it

[MonTheHoops]

What sort of money are they on at citeh?

I know Healy was on 6k a month.

[Langer Dan]

I know Healy was on 6k a month.

yeah 1 and a half a week sounds a bit more realistic.
I know once u get outside the big clubs the rates drop exponentially. Id be surprised if a lot of Championship players were on better than an average wage.

[exileonpatrickstreet]

just talking to a brighton fan at work, says georgie even fell out with the chairman there, which is why the loan wasn't made permanent. brighton fan said they loved him there, even though it was obvious he was a nut

[MonTheHoops]

just talking to a brighton fan at work, says georgie even fell out with the chairman there, which is why the loan wasn't made permanent. brighton fan said they loved him there, even though it was obvious he was a nut

He went public about his disdain for their chairman.

I actually don't mind the guy, but he can be a complete arsehole but it seems that no matter what he does in some fans' eyes he's God.

He's fallen out with people wherever he's gone. I think it's fair to say that while he might meet with some opposition, he's the one largely at fault.

As for popularity, I think the word "cult" is best used to define him.

[Langer Dan]

As for popularity, I think the word "cult" is best used to define him.

Close but no cigar.

[the puerto rican feen]

His "trouble" is just about tolerated when he performs on the field.

Georgie, Georgie, keep your feet on the ground.

Let your football do the talking.

[Echoboy]

I actually don't mind the guy, but he can be a complete arsehole but it seems that no matter what he does in some fans' eyes he's God.

Agreed, some fans will see no fault, and obviously thats not great. But not all, and more fans than you'd think dont like it. I think a lot of people are biting their lips and just waiting for him to do the business on the pitch.

[MonTheHoops]

Agreed, some fans will see no fault, and obviously thats not great. But not all, and more fans than you'd think dont like it. I think a lot of people are biting their lips and just waiting for him to do the business on the pitch.

Agree. And the way he's started off, he'd want to do it fast.

[#11sully]

He went public about his disdain for their chairman.

I actually don't mind the guy, but he can be a complete arsehole but it seems that no matter what he does in some fans' eyes he's God.

He's fallen out with people wherever he's gone. I think it's fair to say that while he might meet with some opposition, he's the one largely at fault.

As for popularity, I think the word "cult" is best used to define him.

JOF is God. :rolleyes:

I like Georgie as a player, Granted he can be disruptive off the pitch but once he does the business on it, well that all that matter to me.

[Lamps]

Lads, FFS, as a player he's average. No pace or strength. Will he even get a game for city?

[Poc Fada]

Dont know much about the guy and people seem very quick to slate a fellow Corkman for a few badly placed comments.

His biggest problem is clearly his mouth and if CCFC are willing to take him back then he cant be that much of a problem.

He should just shut up for now and stick balls in the back of the net. He can talk then.

[Corcaigh08]

Da 1 man circus has returned 2 Cork.

CCFC 4 LIFE

[Lamps]

Da 1 man circus has returned 2 Cork.

CCFC 4 LIFE

Do you hate Sell-thick?

[scrumpy]

where is he going to play though??

[Superior]

Lads, FFS, as a player he's average. No pace or strength. Will he even get a game for city?

Hate the game; not the player...

[Demons till I die]

I suppose he'd be getting 1500 -2k weekly at a guess,thats what i'd imagine.

I was talking to someone involved with Cork City .....I asked him how much was georgie getting ....The response i got was

" He's looking for €3500.00 a week , and I think he'll probably get it "

[Mr.Mister]

I was talking to someone involved with Cork City .....I asked him how much was georgie getting ....The response i got was

" He's looking for €3500.00 a week , and I think he'll probably get it "

Cos the fans love him and the board knows it,they'll give him whatever he wants

[de mange]

I was talking to someone involved with Cork City .....I asked him how much was georgie getting ....The response i got was

" He's looking for €3500.00 a week , and I think he'll probably get it "

not a lot when put into perspective
200k a year for his last 3-4 years isnt going to go too far

he was offered 4k a week by bohs

[Lamps]

Hate the game; not the player...

I don't rate him as a player.

I don't rate him as a person.

[Superior]

I don't rate him as a player.

I don't rate him as a person.

Maybe if you got to know him...
Some dinner, a little dancing, some wine... Who knows where the evening might lead?

[Lamps]

I was talking to someone involved with Cork City .....I asked him how much was georgie getting ....The response i got was

" He's looking for €3500.00 a week , and I think he'll probably get it "

What a joke, he wouldn't be on half that, but Georgie will be delighted to be having this kind of thing in the media.

[#11sully]

I don't rate him as a player.

I don't rate him as a person.

Who would you be rating him against then in the eircom league.

Do you know him?

[Lamps]

Who would you be rating him against then in the eircom league.

Do you know him?

Open your eyes lad

[#11sully]

Open your eyes lad

Answer the questions boy

[st finnbar]

Answer the questions boy

FUCK OFF BACK TO YOUR OFF FORUM LOVE IN, GEORGE IS TROUBLE,A OK PLAYER, NOTHING SPECIAL, CLUBS
IN CORK WILL BE HAPPY THOUGH, AND NOT THE FOOTBALL ONES :D

[Demons till I die]

What a joke, he wouldn't be on half that, but Georgie will be delighted to be having this kind of thing in the media.

Whether you believe it or not lamps ....this is fact .....the fact that you dont possibly believe the amount means fuck all .....I know this to be true

[de mange]

FUCK OFF BACK TO YOUR OFF FORUM LOVE IN, GEORGE IS TROUBLE,A OK PLAYER, NOTHING SPECIAL, CLUBS
IN CORK WILL BE HAPPY THOUGH, AND NOT THE FOOTBALL ONES :D

how original.. well done boy

georgie is a quality footballer and the city team will be better now that he is home- this is undeniable, unless of course you havent really seen him play very often

georgie is also a messer and noone could ever love him more than himself but sin a bhfuil, come march he will be entertaining the cross again :) :)

[de mange]

What a joke, he wouldn't be on half that, but Georgie will be delighted to be having this kind of thing in the media.

lamps, youre showing yourself up here lad, stick to what you do best

[Lamps]

lamps, youre showing yourself up here lad, stick to what you do best

Are you seriously telling me that that langer is on 3 and a half grand a week?

Not a hope in hell.

[de mange]

Are you seriously telling me that that langer is on 3 and a half grand a week?

Not a hope in hell.

yes

its what the top players in the el can command now from drogs, pats, bohs and to a lesser extent, city

georgie would be cities only player in that bracket, but healy, farrely and possibly gamble would be all around the 2-2.5k mark

[#11sully]

FUCK OFF BACK TO YOUR OFF FORUM LOVE IN, GEORGE IS TROUBLE,A OK PLAYER, NOTHING SPECIAL, CLUBS
IN CORK WILL BE HAPPY THOUGH, AND NOT THE FOOTBALL ONES :D

OFF FORUM LOVE IN. No thanks, I don't want to be involved with the SFI.
You haven't seen Georgie play I take it if you think he is "a ok player nothing special"
Lamps still hasn't answered the questions though.

[HappyMonday83]

OFF FORUM LOVE IN. No thanks, I don't want to be involved with the SFI.
You haven't seen Georgie play I take it if you think he is "a ok player nothing special"
Lamps still hasn't answered the questions though.

Since when couldn't a special player cut it at fawking ipswich? That fella isn't worth a shit, he's grand at eircom league level but he's weak and lazy. You won't go far in europe with players like that.

[Lamps]

Out of interest what is Cork City's turnover?

From this year they are only allowed to shell out 65% of that on wages.

Given the squad is rougly 30 players. Georgie on 3 and a half grand. The other big players on 2 grand plus. I'm estimating 50 grand a week in wages

Would city be bringing in about 80 grand a week to cover this?

[Lamps]

this report on eircom league wages says the top clubs have a weekly wage bill of 25 grand. that would mean an average of less than a grand a week for a squad of 30. ps this is before the turnover cap comes into operation

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2007/02/18/story21135.asp

"For the 22 clubs in the league, the Genesis report made for some uncomfortable reading. It concluded that the league was a financial train wreck. If major changes did not happen, Genesis predicted that the league would go out of business."

[de mange]

Since when couldn't a special player cut it at fawking ipswich? That fella isn't worth a shit, he's grand at eircom league level but he's weak and lazy. You won't go far in europe with players like that.

you mean we're not gonna win the champions league with georgie?

:cry: :cry:

georgie is the best midfielder in the EL, he is not good enough for england due to his application and thats obvious to all concerned- these 2 facts have nothing to do with each other. city will be a better team now that georgie will be starting. we also have an excellent record in europe for a club of our resources- and for the record georgie played out of his skin in most of those matches- ask djuregaarden, malmo, neijmegen etc.

have you ever seen georgie play HM?

[Langer Dan]

What a joke, he wouldn't be on half that, but Georgie will be delighted to be having this kind of thing in the media.

Jesus, theres some right imbeciles on here, hed be lucky to be getting 5-600 a week.

3 and a half grand? With gates of 2-3000 thousand? FFS, they wouldnt be long going to the wall if that was the case.

'Here george have ten percent of the gate'
jesus wept;)

[Lamps]

OFF FORUM LOVE IN. No thanks, I don't want to be involved with the SFI.
You haven't seen Georgie play I take it if you think he is "a ok player nothing special"
Lamps still hasn't answered the questions though.

I've seen georgie play from a young age lad, I saw him win the cup out the cross for leeds at under 16 versus everton, think they won it 4-1. ask him about it. Georgie got two. He was even acting the big man back then. Saw him play out in Coffeys field and Clasduv road a few times too. I've seen him play for city on tv loads of times.

I know exactly what he can do as a player and he is limited. He shouldn't replace either of Gamble or Healy. He hasn't got the speed or strength to play up front. A waste of money of you ask me

[Roman Abramovich]

george o callaghan was offered 5-6 grand a week to play for derry 2 or 3 seasons ago. not only that but they would have paid him the firt year of the contract up front and the final two years up front when he started the 2nd season. he turned it down to play with city.
i got that from a very very very very reliable source. We were in a hot tub at the time but it was very reliable.

so 2-3 grand wouldnt surprise me to be honest. billywoods was getting 500 pound back in the day ffs.

[de mange]

Out of interest what is Cork City's turnover?

From this year they are only allowed to shell out 65% of that on wages.

Given the squad is rougly 30 players. Georgie on 3 and a half grand. The other big players on 2 grand plus. I'm estimating 50 grand a week in wages

Would city be bringing in about 80 grand a week to cover this?

city have 23 professionals on the books.. 2 are part time and 6 are on apprentice wages. that leaves 13 players to be paid properly and it would range from the lordans up to georgie

id say our wage bill would be more like 25k

cities gate would average about 3k every home game and we are scheduled for 20 with about 10 more for cup games etc.. but if we take 3000 x say 10 euro a head thats 30k every second week

throw in sponsorship, prize money, merchandise, transfers out, and bumper gates 6/8 times a season and it adds up all right.. one thing that is absolutely certain about city is that we have not over-stretched ourselves, hence the frustration over the last few seasons watching the league winning team go and no replacements in, whilst drogs bought everyone in sight

[Roman Abramovich]

didnt lennox say the club has a turnover of a million a year? and theres very little money to be made off it if any?

[de mange]

Jesus, theres some right imbeciles on here, hed be lucky to be getting 5-600 a week.

3 and a half grand? With gates of 2-3000 thousand? FFS, they wouldnt be long going to the wall if that was the case.

'Here george have ten percent of the gate'
jesus wept;)

but you gave up supporting them and declared that EL was unwatchable shite after you decided you didnt want to be a diehard anymore and handed back your season ticket - remember?

the only thing you have proven in here is that you havent a clue about city or the EL, so run along to the other threads where the SFI are busy bum raping ya, we're having an adult conversation in here

[Lamps]

didnt lennox say the club has a turnover of a million a year? and theres very little money to be made off it if any?

If turnover is a million a year, then under new legislation then they can only pay out a max of 650,000 euros in wages, 1 single euro over that and they will get points dedutions/transfer embargos etc.

Lets not forget they barely were able to cough up a 160 grand tax billas well recently.

Anyway, if 650,000 is the limit, who is going to tell me that George is getting well over a quarter of that?

Its bullshit

[de mange]

didnt lennox say the club has a turnover of a million a year? and theres very little money to be made off it if any?

yes, but lennox is the worst business man on this planet- otherwise he would have never touched city when he came along and saved us!

the fact that there is fuck all to be made out of the EL is well known, but a well run club that makes the group stages of th champions league would be laughing all the way to the bank, and it could well happen.

[Langer Dan]

If turnover is a million a year, then under new legislation then they can only pay out a max of 650,000 euros in wages, 1 single euro over that and they will get points dedutions/transfer embargos etc.

Lets not forget they barely were able to cough up a 160 grand tax billas well recently.

Anyway, if 650,000 is the limit, who is going to tell me that George is getting well over a quarter of that?

Its bullshit

Nice Pwnage.

We've heard everything from 3500-6000.
FFS.

[Langer Dan]

but you gave up supporting them and declared that EL was unwatchable shite after you decided you didnt want to be a diehard anymore and handed back your season ticket - remember?

the only thing you have proven in here is that you havent a clue about city or the EL, so run along to the other threads where the SFI are busy bum raping ya, we're having an adult conversation in here

Ya good points, if all ya can do is abuse people tis no wonder you're getting destroyed in threads like this.:p

'3500 grand':D

Dream on.

[Lamps]

but you gave up supporting them and declared that EL was unwatchable shite after you decided you didnt want to be a diehard anymore and handed back your season ticket - remember?

the only thing you have proven in here is that you havent a clue about city or the EL, so run along to the other threads where the SFI are busy bum raping ya, we're having an adult conversation in here

I just gave you the facts and figures lad.

I proved that your figures are pie in the sky, but hey, if Georgie's friend's pet hamster heard it then you go with that

[Lamps]

Nice Pwnage.

We've heard everything from 3500-6000.
FFS.

who did they think they were dealing with?

The only way I believe this is if i see the city wage bill

[Roman Abramovich]

If turnover is a million a year, then under new legislation then they can only pay out a max of 650,000 euros in wages, 1 single euro over that and they will get points dedutions/transfer embargos etc.

Lets not forget they barely were able to cough up a 160 grand tax billas well recently.

Anyway, if 650,000 is the limit, who is going to tell me that George is getting well over a quarter of that?

Its bullshit

i dunno. maybe he said it costs over a million to run it?
i dont really give a shit.

beamish pay 200k a year for the jersey sponsorship. whatever o callaghan is on what i said he was offered by the club up the north is FACT. i got that from the closest thing to the horses mouth you can get. he wasnt even less than half at that at city at the time.

as i said back in the day 92ish billy woods was getting 500pound a week. so it wouldnt surprise me.

theres a way around that wages thing though. for instance if city sign o callaghan and want to pay him 3 a week thats 156k a year. pay him a 100k signing on fee. then your paying him 1k a week like. ways around everything.

its easy to break that wages thing. thats probably what derry were going to do at the time.

[Lamps]

but a well run club that makes the group stages of th champions league would be laughing all the way to the bank, and it could well happen.

come off the stage.

pigs will fly before that happens

[Langer Dan]

yes, but lennox is the worst business man on this planet- otherwise he would have never touched city when he came along and saved us!

the fact that there is fuck all to be made out of the EL is well known, but a well run club that makes the group stages of th champions league would be laughing all the way to the bank, and it could well happen.

Oh good grief.

[de mange]

I just gave you the facts and figures lad.

I proved that your figures are pie in the sky, but hey, if Georgie's friend's pet hamster heard it then you go with that

you have proven nothing

everything you wrote is based on assumptions you have pulled out of the air.

what are you basing the 1 million figure on?

you stated that the city wage bill would be 50k, when it is in fact about half that

if what you say is true regarding EL wages then/trunover then:

how are drogs paying their squad?

how are pats paying their squad?

how are bohs paying their squad?

[Lamps]

here's a snippet from the Drogs's manager, remember now, these guys are like chelsea by EL standards


“Incredible wages are being paid to some players at other clubs,” he told the Irish Daily Star. “We won’t break our wage structures. People may claim we have paid massive money in recent years but our wages come in well less than €2000 per week – some of the deals I have heard about in the past few weeks would put the players’ annual wages at about €150,000 [per annum].”

[Lamps]

Wage Cap
========
Padraig Smith is the Compliance Officer charged with implementing the Salary Cost Protocol.
Most of this is described on the league website but this will be heavily policed as clubs will have to supply yearly budgets which are checked against monthly reports that the clubs are required to submit.

Average & Top 5 Expenditure & Revenue figures will be compiled monthly for the league as a whole & circulated to the clubs

If a club goes past 55% during the season there is a process of reporting & consultation with the FAI. If club goes past 65% penalties such as transfer embargo can be implemented. Passing the 65% barrier over a full season can lead to club losing European place & prize money. The English FA are investigating QPR giving players presents of watches & this was used as example of how payments would be investigated & how the FAI would learn from the English FA experience through contacts there.

The 35% non-wages revenue cannot be held over for wages for the following season & has to be used in current season. It seems this will be a way of forcing clubs to invest in coaching, promotion & facilities.

[Roman Abramovich]

who did they think they were dealing with?

The only way I believe this is if i see the city wage bill

youd be surprised id say if you saw their wage bill. for instance i heard a few players have "company" cars. depending on the car that could eat up well over a grand a month like. theyd also have "loads of expenses".

wages might be low but theres other ways to get players money.

plus if you make it out.


20 x 3000 x 10 = 600k
beamish = 200k
jersey sales? 3000 x 10 = 30k
all other sponsors? = 200k?
prize moneys? = 100k?

i mean without even considering player dealings, bigger prize fund for europe, league wins, top sell out 6k crowds etc... you could be way over the 1m mark.

[de mange]

Oh good grief.

city were 1 game away and frightened the shite out of nantes, shels were one game away- both games were a huge step up, and im aware of that


now fuck off and play with the retards

[Lamps]

you have proven nothing

everything you wrote is based on assumptions you have pulled out of the air.

what are you basing the 1 million figure on?

you stated that the city wage bill would be 50k, when it is in fact about half that

if what you say is true regarding EL wages then/trunover then:

how are drogs paying their squad?

how are pats paying their squad?

how are bohs paying their squad?

I got the one million figure from Naff.

The 65% thing is true and it is coming in as the league is a joke.

If you have the wages of every city player then please share them

[Lamps]

youd be surprised id say if you saw their wage bill. for instance i heard a few players have "company" cars. depending on the car that could eat up well over a grand a month like. theyd also have "loads of expenses".

wages might be low but theres other ways to get players money.

plus if you make it out.


20 x 3000 x 10 = 600k
beamish = 200k
jersey sales? 3000 x 10 = 30k
all other sponsors? = 200k?
prize moneys? = 100k?

i mean without even considering player dealings, bigger prize fund for europe, league wins, top sell out 6k crowds etc... you could be way over the 1m mark.

I'd have to see the figures.

You'd know more about writing things off as expenses than me.

I know that city usually claim to be losing money when they go to the early european games. They were threatened with being put into administration over tax defaulting.

How much is it costing them to rent the ground, stewards, pay for buses, flights, hotels, on playing staff, etc etc.

Like i said, I think Lennox admitted he was losing money at one stage

[Roman Abramovich]

come off the stage.

pigs will fly before that happens

i reckon youll have it in the next 6 years.
especially if this cork city takeover crowd are to be believed.
you could easily make mony out of it by investing heavily. and if this all ireland league goes ahead with a 1m pound prize and platinis revisions. easily happen.

the last time some said pigs would fly before that would happen libverpool won the champions league

[Langer Dan]

the talk is here is beyond belief.

City are a lossmaker, they were nearly wound up less than ten years ago.
They were served with a taxbill by the High Court last year.
I suppose the genesis report was lying was it?

People talking of wages in the thousands are dreaming.

As for the chances of an EL club making the group stages of the CL?
Theres more chance of the hurlers playing in it.

[de mange]

I got the one million figure from Naff.

The 65% thing is true and it is coming in as the league is a joke.

If you have the wages of every city player then please share them

of course i dont have the wages of every city player

but i have based my OPINION on what would be decent estimates

a squad player would get about 500 a week

a part time player would be on the same

an established team player would hit the 1k mark

5 critical players on the 2k mark

georgie say 3.5k

[Lamps]

city were 1 game away and frightened the shite out of nantes, shels were one game away- both games were a huge step up, and im aware of that


now fuck off and play with the retards

cork city were playing nantes for a spot in the champions league?

[de mange]

cork city were playing nantes for a spot in the champions league?

no city played them in the inter toto

question for you: how much do you reckon john o flynn is on with his new contract at city?

[Lamps]

i reckon youll have it in the next 6 years.
especially if this cork city takeover crowd are to be believed.
you could easily make mony out of it by investing heavily. and if this all ireland league goes ahead with a 1m pound prize and platinis revisions. easily happen.

the last time some said pigs would fly before that would happen libverpool won the champions league

The only way I see it happening is if a proper all ireland league takes off, 2 teams from Belfast, 1 from Derry, maybe one or two others from the north.
1 from Limerick, 1 from Cork, and really they should be cutting the number of Dub teams back to 3 at least.

[Lamps]

no city played them in the inter toto

question for you: how much do you reckon john o flynn is on with his new contract at city?

Dunno. Not 3 and a half grand anyway

[Langer Dan]

The only way I see it happening is if a proper all ireland league takes off, 2 teams from Belfast, 1 from Derry, maybe one or two others from the north.
1 from Limerick, 1 from Cork, and really they should be cutting the number of Dub teams back to 3 at least.

Theres no money in it.
Sure genesis concluded there was only four clubs making any profit.

with average crowds of about 1500, they cant be expected to stay viable, much less be paying fellas thousands.

[Lamps]

If I was Gamble or Healy and that langer was on that much more money than me after walking out on them AND being a far inferior player, i'd be well pissed off

[de mange]

Dunno. Not 3 and a half grand anyway

come on, you allude to knowing whats going on at the club re turnover/wages

[de mange]

If I was Gamble or Healy and that langer was on that much more money than me after walking out on them AND being a far inferior player, i'd be well pissed off

id have georgie over healy any day
gamble plays a totally different position but id agree he is just as vital to the team

[Langer Dan]

come on, you allude to knowing whats going on at the club re turnover/wages

Are you aware of the 65% wage rule?
Even if City were making a million a ayear after expenses (which they're not), you think they're going to be paying nearly a quarter of that to a slow midfielder pushing thirty?
Wake up Lad.

[de mange]

Are you aware of the 65% wage rule?
Even if City were making a million a ayear after expenses (which they're not), you think they're going to be paying nearly a quarter of that to a slow midfielder pushing thirty?
Wake up Lad.

what do you think john o flynn is on?

[Langer Dan]

not a clue.

but c'mon figures of 3-4 grand just arnt realistic.
The turnover doesnt support it, look at Shels.

[de mange]

not a clue.

but c'mon figures of 3-4 grand just arnt realistic.
The turnover doesnt support it, look at Shels.

shels was a totally different scenario

they took all of the up front payments on the sale of tolka and blew it- they won the league and are now in the first division because of ollies antics

city are a well run club

[Langer Dan]

shels was a totally different scenario

they took all of the up front payments on the sale of tolka and blew it- they won the league and are now in the first division because of ollies antics

city are a well run club

So well run that they're being served with tax notices by the High Court?
Thats not a well run business, my friend.

Thats an adminstration job waiting to happen.

[de mange]

dan

city have sold doyler, benno, georgie, long and roy over the last few seasons for a combined fee of 1 million plus

we bought nobody bar murphy from cobh for 20k

but none of this matters is suppose

lennox ran the club in a hodge podge manner, arkaga have taken over and a new era of professionalism has arrived.. they have big plans and who knows where the will take us

[#11sully]

youd be surprised id say if you saw their wage bill. for instance i heard a few players have "company" cars. depending on the car that could eat up well over a grand a month like. theyd also have "loads of expenses".

wages might be low but theres other ways to get players money.

plus if you make it out.


20 x 3000 x 10 = 600k
beamish = 200k
jersey sales? 3000 x 10 = 30k
all other sponsors? = 200k?
prize moneys? = 100k?

i mean without even considering player dealings, bigger prize fund for europe, league wins, top sell out 6k crowds etc... you could be way over the 1m mark.

Prize money would be well over 100K. Sure didn't they get that alone last year when they won the cup? Open to correction on this though. They also got money from playing in europe.

BTW, I like the way the SFI turned this from being a topic about 1 player to the clubs business. My guess is that they were whiped on the georgie comming back that they reverted to money talk going completly off topic. Fact is he is comming home and the other players are delighted to have him back because they know what he offers to the team.

[Langer Dan]

Prize money would be well over 100K. Sure didn't they get that alone last year when they won the cup? Open to correction on this though. They also got money from playing in europe.

BTW, I like the way the SFI turned this from being a topic about 1 player to the clubs business. My guess is that they were whiped on the georgie comming back that they reverted to money talk going completly off topic. Fact is he is comming home and the other players are delighted to have him back because they know what he offers to the team.

Cocktails in Plato Murphys and a spin home afterwards?

[de mange]

Cocktails in Plato Murphys and a spin home afterwards?

BOO

[Lamps]

Are you aware of the 65% wage rule?
Even if City were making a million a ayear after expenses (which they're not), you think they're going to be paying nearly a quarter of that to a slow midfielder pushing thirty?
Wake up Lad.


great post

[steve sanders]

regardless of what the facts might be, the majority of city fans (and non city fans who like harping on about city and their problems, perceived or otherwise) have near zero trust in how the club is run due to years of let downs, embarassments, and disappointments.

arkaga might be fabulous business managers, but they have a responsibility (like it or not) to prove that the current administration can be trusted.

[Lamps]

Prize money would be well over 100K. Sure didn't they get that alone last year when they won the cup? Open to correction on this though. They also got money from playing in europe.

BTW, I like the way the SFI turned this from being a topic about 1 player to the clubs business. My guess is that they were whiped on the georgie comming back that they reverted to money talk going completly off topic. Fact is he is comming home and the other players are delighted to have him back because they know what he offers to the team.

I pwned the living shit about you when you asked me did i ever see Georgie play. I even gave you games and scores from schoolboys soccer. Go back to sleep lad.

The 65% rule is the biggest thing to hit the eircom league in years, not surprised yourself and the citeh fans didn't know about it. The reason we are talking about it, is that its quite credible that Georgie, if on 3,500 a week is taking up a quarter of the clubs wage will.

[Lamps]

Prize money for 4th place in the eircom league in 2007 = 25 grand

That'll keep George in pocket for about 7 weeks.

[Langer Dan]

Thatl pay for a nice few Pina Coladas in Plato's.

[Centurion]

(1) - 1.5k might be nearer.

He wasn't on that much before AFAIK.

How could Derry offer that much back then when they are always struggling financially?! Thats a HUGE figure.

I'd imagine the best paid players in the league are on somewhere 2-5k but most of that would be at dubland clubs.

I'd wager George was not on a huge amount across the water.

Anyway this thread has gone a bit off topic with people bashing each other. Euro places in CL or UEFA is more realistic than some think but it requires good structures, finances and a lot of hard work. If we can't dream we have nothing.

A squad player would not be on 500 a week, close to it maybe but not that much.

[Roman Abramovich]

here's a snippet from the Drogs's manager, remember now, these guys are like chelsea by EL standards


“Incredible wages are being paid to some players at other clubs,” he told the Irish Daily Star. “We won’t break our wage structures. People may claim we have paid massive money in recent years but our wages come in well less than €2000 per week – some of the deals I have heard about in the past few weeks would put the players’ annual wages at about €150,000 [per annum].”

heres a bit of selective editing by lamps

Paul Doolin is the latest manager to voice grave concerns about the level of wage demands in the eircom League.

Earlier this week, Saint Patrick's Athletic boss John McDonnell admitted that the club had turned some players away because their wage requests did not accord with club structures.

Doolin has claimed, however, that some clubs are offering wages of approximately €3,000-a-week - an exceptionally high figure in League of Ireland parlance.

The Drogheda United boss told the Irish Daily Star: “We won’t break our wage structures. People may claim we have paid massive money in recent years but our wages come in well less than €2000 per week.

"Some of the deals I have heard about in the past few weeks would put the players’ annual wages at about €150,000 (per annum).”

Pat's would have been one of the obvious clubs one would have assumed Doolin might have been referring to, so it begs the question: which clubs are willing to pay such wages?

[Lamps]

what was selective about it?

[Langer Dan]

Nothing, I dont think Naff naff quite grasps the meaning of 'selective'.

[legend76]

......Euro places in CL or UEFA is more realistic than some think but it requires good structures, finances and a lot of hard work. If we can't dream we have nothing......




It really isn't as unrealistic as some people are trying to make out. that's why it's called the beautiful game afterall. I'd say they'd get a thumping in the actual group stage, but it would be a huge financial windfall, and certainly achievable

[#11sully]

I pwned the living shit about you when you asked me did i ever see Georgie play. I even gave you games and scores from schoolboys soccer. Go back to sleep lad.

The 65% rule is the biggest thing to hit the eircom league in years, not surprised yourself and the citeh fans didn't know about it. The reason we are talking about it, is that its quite credible that Georgie, if on 3,500 a week is taking up a quarter of the clubs wage will.

The only thing you "pwned" is HM83's ass. Thought you were meant to be an intelegent chap. The reason I asked you if you have ever seen him play is because you don't rate him as a player and if you took the time to read my post properly you would have seen that I asked you against what EL players don't you rate him against. "pnowage" of the highest order my good man

[Langer Dan]

I'd say Rico could take him.

[de mange]

what was selective about it?

the bit where he left this out

'Doolin has claimed, however, that some clubs are offering wages of approximately €3,000-a-week - an exceptionally high figure in League of Ireland parlance.'

lamps - i always thought you were the smart one of the sfi but you have got yourself involved in something you know nothing about here and youve been shown up for it

i have shown you that the wage bill at city is about half what you claimed, i asked you what john o flynn was on just to prove that you know nothing about the city wage structure, and sure enough you had no idea... naff has just shown you a quote from an el manager proving that money that both yourself and spam have claimed is not possible is in fact on offer.

all you have is a 1 million figure thats unsubstantiated and everything you have argued is based on that- poor show

Centurion- georgie was on 2k when he left

[Langer Dan]

de Mange is a voyeur.

[Lamps]

the bit where he left this out

'Doolin has claimed, however, that some clubs are offering wages of approximately €3,000-a-week - an exceptionally high figure in League of Ireland parlance.'

lamps - i always thought you were the smart one of the sfi but you have got yourself involved in something you know nothing about here and youve been shown up for it

i have shown you that the wage bill at city is about half what you claimed, i asked you what john o flynn was on just to prove that you know nothing about the city wage structure, and sure enough you had no idea... naff has just shown you a quote from an el manager proving that money that both yourself and spam have claimed is not possible is in fact on offer.

all you have is a 1 million figure thats unsubstantiated and everything you have argued is based on that- poor show

Centurion- georgie was on 2k when he left

are you hard of reading lad.

I gave the actual quotes from Doolin, everything else the rest of the article was fluff, but seeing as maths isn't your strong point try this.

"I have heard about in the past few weeks would put the players’ annual wages at about €150,000 "

now divide by 52.

:oops:

exposed as being a foundation maths head

[Lamps]

. Thought you were meant to be an intelegent chap.

cripes.

[Lamps]

can even one city head here get me the annual turnover?

[de mange]

can even one city head here get me the annual turnover?

lamps.. you have been bandying the figures about here until you were shown up- you used the figure of 1 million

you dig out the actual figures and prove us wrong

read my last post and answer the questions posed

exposed as a dodger- responding instead with little demands of everybody else- an SFI speciality

[Roman Abramovich]

lamps.. you have been bandying the figures about here until you were shown up- you used the figure of 1 million

you dig out the actual figures and prove us wrong

read my last post and answer the questions posed

exposed as a dodger- responding instead with little demands of everybody else- an SFI speciality

the figure of 1million i used. lamps just used that as a basis to continue his argument.

but not accepting that he was selective with that article screams something to hide.

[de mange]

the figure of 1million i used. lamps just used that as a basis to continue his argument.
.

from a man that demands stats of everybody else regularly this is not acceptable

you see, your figure suited his arguement for a while, but then it all fell apart on him- i have many unanswered questions but hes gone to ground

[Lamps]

I used Naff's one million as an estimate.

That figure was actually mentioned by Brian Lennox as what they need to be making to break even.

Can you give me some proof of Georgie wages?

Like I said, until someone shows us the accounts this is all hearsay. You didn't prove anything.

[de mange]

haha.. youre some chancer

so now you would like georgies first pay check or cities balance sheet for this month- or else i am wrong

dont forget it was yourself and spam came in here claiming he couldnt be possibly on that money- threw out a few inaccurate figures regarding cities turnover and wages - and now you declare yourself the victor

up to you two to prove that city cannot sustain the mans alleged wage

you put up a link yourself from drogs manager stating that wages of 3k are paid to the top players- 3.5k is not that much of a stretch for the club with the biggest gates in the country and a recent investment vehicle just in

all you have proven is that you know nothing about city

by the way.. city let the players keep the 100k for winning the fai cup and split it amongst themselves- city are not as strapped as you think.. now admit you are out of your depth and go back to the gaa where youre more comfortable

[Lamps]

haha.. youre some chancer

so now you would like georgies first pay check or cities balance sheet for this month- or else i am wrong

dont forget it was yourself and spam came in here claiming he couldnt be possibly on that money- threw out a few inaccurate figures regarding cities turnover and wages - and now you declare yourself the victor

up to you two to prove that city cannot sustain the mans alleged wage

you put up a link yourself from drogs manager stating that wages of 3k are paid to the top players- 3.5k is not that much of a stretch for the club with the biggest gates in the country and a recent investment vehicle just in

all you have proven is that you know nothing about city

by the way.. city let the players keep the 100k for winning the fai cup and split it amongst themselves- city are not as strapped as you think.. now admit you are out of your depth and go back to the gaa where youre more comfortable

I strongly refute that he is on that kind of money.

I gave my figures.

In my research I also found that Lennox said that they pay out 23k a week in wages in 2006, which you alluded to in fairness. I'll dig it out.

If they are still paying this out then Georgie alone is getting over 15% of the clubs budget. I find that hard to believe.

ps The turnover for the entire eircom league(both divisions) in 2006 was 14 million, i got this from the genesis report.

Remember now that all this was before the 65% rule which Cork City strongly oppose yet will ne enforce.

If city are to even remain paying 2006 wages they'll need to turning over about 2 million.

I am the one dealing in facts here, you may well be right that George is on 3 and half grand a week, but until i can see some proof, I'll choose to believe its himself distributing propoganda.

[Echoboy]

So well run that they're being served with tax notices by the High Court?
Thats not a well run business, my friend.

Thats an adminstration job waiting to happen.

That was from the previous board, Lennox sorted it, and thats not an issue for the club now and like any business, if they keep their books in order it wont be an issue.

Edit: Lamps, give it up fella, you're not very good at it. Leave it to someone else.

[rebelexile]

the bit where he left this out

'Doolin has claimed, however, that some clubs are offering wages of approximately €3,000-a-week - an exceptionally high figure in League of Ireland parlance.'

lamps - i always thought you were the smart one of the sfi but you have got yourself involved in something you know nothing about here and youve been shown up for it

i have shown you that the wage bill at city is about half what you claimed, i asked you what john o flynn was on just to prove that you know nothing about the city wage structure, and sure enough you had no idea... naff has just shown you a quote from an el manager proving that money that both yourself and spam have claimed is not possible is in fact on offer.

all you have is a 1 million figure thats unsubstantiated and everything you have argued is based on that- poor show

Centurion- georgie was on 2k when he left


Ollie Cahill was on 2K a week with Shels .He won player of the season and 2 months later went to Drogs where he is on 3.5 a week .He's one of 6 players on serious wages up there (last season).Very myopic views from slaphead Doolin and I'm gobsmacked people are using his quote as some sort of gospel.Drogs are the biggest payers in the league (Bohs and pats are catching up though) ,despite having a max limit of 1800 spectators set by the FAI for their licence breach.The majority of their cash is coming as gifts from their directors which are not included in the 65% clubs cap.If Hoeys planning permission for Newtown meath falls through,drogs will do a Shels/Dublin City

Pedants Club Facts #1 : George is on 3.6 a week

[rebelexile]

I strongly refute that he is on that kind of money.

I gave my figures.

In my research I also found that Lennox said that they pay out 23k a week in wages in 2006, which you alluded to in fairness. I'll dig it out.

If they are still paying this out then Georgie alone is getting over 15% of the clubs budget. I find that hard to believe.

ps The turnover for the entire eircom league(both divisions) in 2006 was 14 million, i got this from the genesis report.

Remember now that all this was before the 65% rule which Cork City strongly oppose yet will ne enforce.

If city are to even remain paying 2006 wages they'll need to turning over about 2 million.

I am the one dealing in facts here, you may well be right that George is on 3 and half grand a week, but until i can see some proof, I'll choose to believe its himself distributing propoganda.

George is actually on 3.6
Joey and Healy are not far off (3 pw)
Farrelly is not a million miles away either (2.5pw)

I had originally thought that Arkaga were hired by somone else and installed to run the club on their behalf ,but with the whole Brady thing , I'm beginning to think they are just taking a punt on City.A couple of years ,spend a bit of Cash and try crack that CL/UC group .A Irish club getting to that stage is where the real money,just like that Rosenberg crowd.Why else would a blue chip company get involved with a club with no assets (outside of Gambles signature and 10% of Doyles sell on)

[Lamps]

George is actually on 3.6
Joey and Healy are not far off (3 pw)
Farrelly is not a million miles away either (2.5pw)

I had originally thought that Arkaga were hired by somone else and installed to run the club on their behalf ,but with the whole Brady thing , I'm beginning to think they are just taking a punt on City.A couple of years ,spend a bit of Cash and try crack that CL/UC group .A Irish club getting to that stage is where the real money,just like that Rosenberg crowd.Why else would a blue chip company get involved with a club with no assets (outside of Gambles signature and 10% of Doyles sell on)

where are you getting these figures?

[de mange]

Ollie Cahill was on 2K a week with Shels .He won player of the season and 2 months later went to Drogs where he is on 3.5 a week .He's one of 6 players on serious wages up there (last season).Very myopic views from slaphead Doolin and I'm gobsmacked people are using his quote as some sort of gospel.Drogs are the biggest payers in the league (Bohs and pats are catching up though) ,despite having a max limit of 1800 spectators set by the FAI for their licence breach.The majority of their cash is coming as gifts from their directors which are not included in the 65% clubs cap.If Hoeys planning permission for Newtown meath falls through,drogs will do a Shels/Dublin City

Pedants Club Facts #1 : George is on 3.6 a week

read the whole thread.. im actually claiming the same thing you are
the doolin quote was thrown out just to demonstrate that big money is on offer in the EL, as lamps and spam had been claiming that nobody would earn more than 1500 a month at city

[de mange]

where are you getting these figures?

lamps- hands up for fuck sake

you have failed miserably to provide any backing to your claims, so now its back to the prove it line. city do not disclose their wage structure, therefore anyone on here 'in the know' would be taking a punt based on mutterings from lads close to the club/players.

i might as well save yourself and spam any more searching and give you the little nugget you crave- city have included a loss of 1 to 1.5 million over the next year as part of the long term plan which will eventually deliver success and a new stadium

[MonTheHoops]

George is actually on 3.6
Joey and Healy are not far off (3 pw)


Has Healy signed a new contract because he's not on 3k per week.

I know nothing of the rest of them, but Healy's not on that cash.

[de mange]

Has Healy signed a new contract because he's not on 3k per week.

I know nothing of the rest of them, but Healy's not on that cash.

no, 1 year to run on a 2 year contract

and i agree, i dont think healy is on that money either, 2k would be closer to the mark for himself and joey

[Lamps]

figures flying all over the place.

where do you get the healy figure MON, you're about the only person in this thread whose opinion i'd respect on such a matter

[de mange]

figures flying all over the place.

where do you get the healy figure MON, you're about the only person in this thread whose opinion i'd respect on such a matter

the pwnage has just reached new heights

[MonTheHoops]

figures flying all over the place.

where do you get the healy figure MON, you're about the only person in this thread whose opinion i'd respect on such a matter


Lamps I won't say where I got it, nor will I profess to know what anyone else is on.

All I will say is I am 100% confident he is on approx 6k a month and I'd also doubt the validity of reports claiming O' Callaghan is on €3.5k a week.

Look at it this way, he'd burnt his bridges across the water, he wanted to come home & he wanted to play in Cork. City held all the aces in that respect.

[de mange]

Lamps I won't say where I got it, nor will I profess to know what anyone else is on.

All I will say is I am 100% confident he is on approx 6k a month and I'd also doubt the validity of reports claiming O' Callaghan is on €3.5k a week.

Look at it this way, he'd burnt his bridges across the water, he wanted to come home & he wanted to play in Cork. City held all the aces in that respect.

youve forgotten that bohs and pats were beating his door down and both these clubs could afford 3.5k a week.. rumour has it that bohs offered him 4k a week

[MonTheHoops]

youve forgotten that bohs and pats were beating his door down and both these clubs could afford 3.5k a week.. rumour has it that bohs offered him 4k a week

I wouldn't move to Dublin now for twice my current wage.

I think an INTERNET rumour has sparked off all the talk of the money he's on.

If Bohs, Pats & City can't keep the figures they pay prospective and /or current employees under wraps then they've serious problems.

[Lamps]

the pwnage has just reached new heights

what are you on about lad?

seriously

[de mange]

I wouldn't move to Dublin now for twice my current wage.

footballers are used to moving lock stock and barrel on a semi regular basis.
georgie has played with port vale, ipswich and brighton so dublin wouldnt bother him- in fact id say it might have suited him better in a lot of ways, he wouldnt have the whole city watching to see what hes drinking on a night out etc

[Lamps]

Lamps I won't say where I got it, nor will I profess to know what anyone else is on.

All I will say is I am 100% confident he is on approx 6k a month and I'd also doubt the validity of reports claiming O' Callaghan is on €3.5k a week.

Look at it this way, he'd burnt his bridges across the water, he wanted to come home & he wanted to play in Cork. City held all the aces in that respect.

thanks MON, 6k a month for the highest regarded player on the team seems more in line with what i would have thought reasonable.

For the record de mange thats about 1400 euros a week.

[de mange]

what are you on about lad?

seriously

i think its self evident lamps
you have got yourself involved in something you know nothing about, and youre just digging deeper. MON has a passing interest in city, why has he become the man you will believe all of a sudden?

and by the way, my estimate of joeys wages and MONs are not that far apart

[Lamps]

youve forgotten that bohs and pats were beating his door down and both these clubs could afford 3.5k a week.. rumour has it that bohs offered him 4k a week

i heard 5:silly:

[de mange]

thanks MON, 6k a month for the highest regarded player on the team seems more in line with what i would have thought reasonable.

For the record de mange thats about 1400 euros a week.

lampsy lampsy- give up willa

joey will be signing a new contract in the next 6 months hopefully. the money he earns now was agreed 2 years ago. joey is in an excellent position to bargain with city now that he has proven his worth to the team

id have him as one of cities 4 most influential players

[Lamps]

i think its self evident lamps
you have got yourself involved in something you know nothing about, and youre just digging deeper. MON has a passing interest in city, why has he become the man you will believe all of a sudden?

and by the way, my estimate of joeys wages and MONs are not that far apart

You've already admitted that you are basing everything on rumours and guesses. All I tried to do was base it on something a bit more real, like their turnover, 65% of which can now only be spent on wages, what lennox actually said they paid out in wages, etc etc.

Now we have MON actually backing that up with what he believes to be an accurate figure.

[MonTheHoops]

footballers are used to moving lock stock and barrel on a semi regular basis.
georgie has played with port vale, ipswich and brighton so dublin wouldnt bother him- in fact id say it might have suited him better in a lot of ways, he wouldnt have the whole city watching to see what hes drinking on a night out etc

I take your point - but he admits himself that he "needs to be loved"

After George's history of running his mouth with the Dublin clubs, do you honestly think he'd be loved up there? Now I don't doubt he'd be liked, not for a second, but in Cork his misdemeanours have been cast to the side because he's done it on the pitch. I doubt he'd find that leeway in Dublin.

Look, I'm not saying he's not on that money, I just highly doubt it and part of your reasoning behind him being on that money is "based" on the rumour of interest from Pats & Bohs. Everyone has a source of some sort, but I find it hard to believe that someone could have an accurate estimation of what he's on and what he was offered at 3 different clubs.

[Lamps]

lampsy lampsy- give up willa

joey will be signing a new contract in the next 6 months hopefully. the money he earns now was agreed 2 years ago. joey is in an excellent position to bargain with city now that he has proven his worth to the team

id have him as one of cities 4 most influential players

1400 a week for Healy
3600 a week for George

am i missing something?

[de mange]

1400 a week for Healy
3600 a week for George

am i missing something?

i would have healy at 2k a week, maybe the 1400 figure MON claims is approx his wage- it wouldnt surprise me. healy had a get out clause after 12 months, his contract was an understanding by both parties that he could move on if he got a better offer from england

and yes, healys career was in tatters when city took a chance on him.
his last few clubs before city were short lived affairs due to injury and lack of form at Livingston, Barnsley and Bradford City (loan)

and you reckon city should have given him an equal wage to georgie?

for the last time- you know nothing about cork city, you have been shown up over and over

[Lamps]

and you reckon city should have given him an equal wage to georgie?

for the last time- you know nothing about cork city, you have been shown up over and over

I'd have Healy over Georgie every day of the week.

A far superior player, faster, stronger, better touch, better brain, 13 caps for his country.

You're not georgie himself are you?


ps Georgies career was also in tatters

[de mange]

I take your point - but he admits himself that he "needs to be loved"

After George's history of running his mouth with the Dublin clubs, do you honestly think he'd be loved up there? Now I don't doubt he'd be liked, not for a second, but in Cork his misdemeanours have been cast to the side because he's done it on the pitch. I doubt he'd find that leeway in Dublin.

Look, I'm not saying he's not on that money, I just highly doubt it and part of your reasoning behind him being on that money is "based" on the rumour of interest from Pats & Bohs. Everyone has a source of some sort, but I find it hard to believe that someone could have an accurate estimation of what he's on and what he was offered at 3 different clubs.

fair points

georgie talked seriously with drogs before he signed his last contract at city so i reckon he would move- although i do agree with ya that he would most likely stay in cork if the offers were similar

i have said the day he left for ipswich that he is definitely a big fish in a small pond type fella, and sure enough he was home in double time. cork suits georgie

as for the sources issue- city is a small time affair and the players discuss issues openly with mates who happen to be fans.

[Lamps]

i have said the day he left for ipswich that he is definitely a big fish in a small pond type fella, and sure enough he was home in double time. cork suits georgie


He came home cos he wasn't good enough, the eircom league is his level.

Heard a story a few weeks back that he was onto Doyle at the time of the FAI awards calling him a flukey bastard for getting a break with Reading and that it could just as easily have been him.

[de mange]

I'd have Healy over Georgie every day of the week.

A far superior player, faster, stronger, better touch, better brain, 13 caps for his country.

You're not georgie himself are you?


ps Georgies career was also in tatters

nice dodging of the actual post i made

i did not ask you who the better player was, nor did i express an opinion. i explained to you why colin would be on much smaller wages- which you had questioned in your earlier post

and no- i am not georgie, i would love to play for city but i have nowhere near the talent required- even for EL lamps

georgies career was far from in tatters- we know what he can do for us and he will- there is no risk regarding georgies ability or fitness

[de mange]

He came home cos he wasn't good enough, the eircom league is his level.

Heard a story a few weeks back that he was onto Doyle at the time of the FAI awards calling him a flukey bastard for getting a break with Reading and that it could just as easily have been him.

id say it was just that lamps :rolleyes:

doyler is a far superior player in his position than georgie is in his
doyler keeps his head low and works hard- georgies application has always let him down- thats why he is back again

[Lamps]

id say it was just that lamps :rolleyes:

doyler is a far superior player in his position than georgie is in his
doyler keeps his head low and works hard- georgies application has always let him down- thats why he is back again

application is only a small part of it.

he's too weak and too slow for top level soccer.

[de mange]

application is only a small part of it.

he's too weak and too slow for top level soccer.

deal with whats being discussed lamps

i have explained joey and healys relatively low wages to you, but you ignored both posts because they show your lack of knowledge up

i have shown you that the eircom league can pay wages in the region of 3.5k but you ignore this

i know that city allowed the players split the 100k prize money for the cup , which would have paid a large chunk of georgies reputed wage this season, you ignored this

i explained that citys wage bill was half what you estimated and you reluctantly accepted this

you claim the genesis report proves your arguement re turnover/wages, but you have been shown that it is not as clear cut as sticking 65% of 1 million in a calculator and then claiming that proves everything

give it up

[Corcaigh08]

So where d'ya think city will come this season???

With the signings they bought in, city r real contenders 4 the title

[MonTheHoops]

So where d'ya think city will come this season???

With the signings they bought in, city r real contenders 4 the title

How can you talk about that at a time like this?

[de mange]

So where d'ya think city will come this season???

With the signings they bought in, city r real contenders 4 the title

dunno.. looks like the danny murphy deal is off

we are short 2 wingers and a centre back IMO.. kearney never regained his form since he left for shels and woods is pushing on.. kelly yet to convince me at cb
dont think we have the squad to take the title just yet, but i reckon who ever finishes above us will take the title

[Lamps]

deal with whats being discussed lamps

i have explained joey and healys relatively low wages to you, but you ignored both posts because they show your lack of knowledge up

i have shown you that the eircom league can pay wages in the region of 3.5k but you ignore this

i know that city allowed the players split the 100k prize money for the cup , which would have paid a large chunk of georgies reputed wage this season, you ignored this

i explained that citys wage bill was half what you estimated and you reluctantly accepted this

you claim the genesis report proves your arguement re turnover/wages, but you have been shown that it is not as clear cut as sticking 65% of 1 million in a calculator and then claiming that proves everything

give it up

You have shown nothing. it appears Healy is now on 1400 a week, can you seriously believe that George reject O Callaghan is on 2 and half times what he is on. Healy had less baggage with his injury than that lad does.

You are basing everything on guesswork and heresay.

You haven't given one sourced figure as yet.

How do we know that city didn't let the players split the hundred grand as they are on low wages?

The genesis report isn't a recomendation, its what you have to do.

[de mange]

You are basing everything on guesswork and heresay.

You haven't given one sourced figure as yet.
.

aaaaa hahahahahaha
nice one lampy.. im snowed under here trying to get through all of your evidence to the contrary

how have you established healys wage now that its your latest benchmark?

[Lamps]

aaaaa hahahahahaha
nice one lampy.. im snowed under here trying to get through all of your evidence to the contrary

how have you established healys wage now that its your latest benchmark?

Lennox said the city wage bill was 1.2 million a year the year before last year

According to rebel in exile he has four of those lads now on over 600 grand a year.

I'm the only one producing backed up figures. Get back to me with the annual turnover and we can use that as a starting point

[Langer Dan]

Christ Mangey is taking a hell of a beating here.

[optimus]

healys net contract is low but he has huge appearance bonus' in it also big win bonus and even bigger goal bonus

[de mange]

healys net contract is low but he has huge appearance bonus' in it also big win bonus and even bigger goal bonus

lamps.. anything to say on this?

[de mange]

Christ Mangey is taking a hell of a beating here.

good contribution spam
go back to booking next years ski trip

[Lamps]

lamps.. anything to say on this?

why do you accept everyone elses opinion as fact and deride me for supposedly not backing things up

[optimus]

cos ur sfi apparently

[de mange]

Lennox said the city wage bill was 1.2 million a year the year before last year

I'm the only one producing backed up figures. Get back to me with the annual turnover and we can use that as a starting point


and i said citys wage bill was approx 25k a week
multiply that by 52 and
taaadaaaaaaa
1.25 million

lamps:
exposed as being a foundation maths head

[optimus]

why do you accept everyone elses opinion as fact and deride me for supposedly not backing things up
if you wanna be king of knowledge you have to be prepared to prove your points to the nth degree. all challengers will want to rattle you and pwn you

[Langer Dan]

good contribution spam
go back to booking next years ski trip

Nice stalking. Weirdo:p .

Listen fella, 3500 a grand is just unfeasible, its a huge drop.
If Lennox quote of 1.2million is right then Georgie on 192 a year just isnt realistic.

Im not doubting your passion for the club but a smallbit of basic common sense wouldn't go astray.

[Lamps]

cos ur sfi apparently

at this stage what i say should go

[de mange]

why do you accept everyone elses opinion as fact and deride me for supposedly not backing things up

because you havent a clue what you are talking about here

i know opti is a city fan, i would take his opinions on board
you have provided no proof to conteract my arguements here

city have assumed 1 to 1.5 million in losses this year as part of a larger plan, so the annual turnover will prove nothing for you. if you beleive that the method to calculate the max payments to players is as simple as turnover x 65% then you are even more naive than i originally assumed

[Lamps]

and i said citys wage bill was approx 25k a week
multiply that by 52 and
taaadaaaaaaa
1.25 million

lamps:
exposed as being a foundation maths head

you're dodging.

i agreed with 25k a week.

or nearer 23 actually

[de mange]

at this stage what i say should go

then stick to the threads your knowledge base extends to
ie GAA and english football

[Lamps]

because you havent a clue what you are talking about here

i know opti is a city fan, i would take his opinions on board
you have provided no proof to conteract my arguements here

city have assumed 1 to 1.5 million in losses this year as part of a larger plan, so the annual turnover will prove nothing for you. if you beleive that the method to calculate the max payments to players is as simple as turnover x 65% then you are even more naive than i originally assumed

opinions not arguments. jesus christ lad.

as regards genesis, are you saying city are exempt?

they are trying to get rid of the cronyism thats rife in the league, running at a loss in order to pay players seems exactly the type of thing thats forbidden. have city got some form of dispensation? can you show me a link to this if so?

[Lamps]

then stick to the threads your knowledge base extends to
ie GAA and english football

Did you know your moniker is named after a former bohs player?

[de mange]

Did you know your moniker is named after a former bohs player?

no its not
but nice work :)

nobody is exempt from genesis

i have already pointed out to you that drogs for instance have let no players go- they have a far larger wage bill than city and half the gates. what you pay players officially and what they end up with are 2 different things

[HappyMonday83]

no its not
but nice work :)

nobody is exempt from genesis

i have already pointed out to you that drogs for instance have let no players go- they have a far larger wage bill than city and half the gates. what you pay players officially and what they end up with are 2 different things

So george pops into lennox's and they give him 3.5k cash out of the till?

[de mange]

So george pops into lennox's and they give him 3.5k cash out of the till?

no- 2k cash and a couple of chicken suppers

HM you saw sense and dropped out of this when you were in too deep, keep it that way

lennox has nothing to do with cork city any more- hes a figurehead on the board, thats it. arkaga own, fund and operate cork city fc

[Langer Dan]

So george pops into lennox's and they give him 3.5k cash out of the till?

heh heh heh.

[Superior]

So george pops into lennox's and they give him 3.5k cash out of the till?

Pretty much what it was costing them when Pat Dolan used to call in after games. I heard he ate two binbags full of chicken and drank a wheeliebin of Tanora after one game.

[Langer Dan]

Pretty much what it was costing them when Pat Dolan used to call in after games. I heard he ate two binbags full of chicken and drank a wheeliebin of Tanora after one game.

That was his halftime snack.

He ate a skip full of chips and batter sausages on a friday evening.

[optimus]

all th wages are under the 65% cap bonuses and loyalty payments on the other hand are exempt theres always loopholes..

things like rent allowance, kit maintenance boot allowance physios bills, al these things can be cooked

[Lamps]

all th wages are under the 65% cap bonuses and loyalty payments on the other hand are exempt theres always loopholes..



source please

[Superior]

That was his halftime snack.

He ate a skip full of chips and batter sausages on a friday evening.

And the arm of a small child who just happened to get too close.

Apparently when he underwent his medical at Arsenal, the physios were amazed by his ability to unhinge his jaw and swallow objects as large as himself. This is reputed to be the reason he was forced to room alone on away trips.

[Langer Dan]

And the arm of a small child who just happened to get too close.

Apparently when he underwent his medical at Arsenal, the physios were amazed by his ability to unhinge his jaw and swallow objects as large as himself. This is reputed to be the reason he was forced to room alone on away trips.

They learnt their lesson aftr his first two roomies 'disappeared'.

The people who make his suits designed the space shuttle.

[optimus]

source please
http://www.eircomloi.ie:82/news-centre/news/news-141/index.xml

salary is basic wage recieved every week. plus to boost you 65% investors can invest money. once its not a loan





The Salary Cost Protocol is a criterion of the FAI Club Licensing Manual (http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com _content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=46), which will help bring financial stability to the eircom League of Ireland. It was first introduced in June 2006 and was effective from the 2007 season. However, the protocol will be mandatory from the beginning of the 2008 season.




Padraig Smith [pictured left] joined the association in April 2007 as Internal Compliance Officer, having previously worked for Ernst & Young. Padraig will monitor the Salary Cost Protocol as part of his overall role in strengthening the financial structures in the eircom League of Ireland.

"The Salary Cost Protocol is a fair and balanced mechanism which will help to bring about financial stability within the league", he said. "It will benefit the teams, the players and the league as a whole and is vital to the future success of the eircom League of Ireland both on and off the pitch."

What is the Salary Cost Protocol?

The Salary Cost Protocol is a licensing criterion introduced by the FAI to help clubs improve their financial stability. The Salary Cost Protocol is equitable in that it limits the amount each club can spend on player’s salary costs to 65% of their relevant income in the corresponding financial year. The Rule which is implemented in the FAI Club Licensing process stipulates that

“The licensee (club) must not incur related expenditure on player salary costs greater than 65% of its relevant income for the corresponding financial year. The club must also at no point during the season have projected year end related expenditure on player salary costs greater than 65% of its projected year end relevant income”


What is the aim of the Salary Cost Protocol?

The aim of the Salary Cost Protocol is to bring financial stability to the eircom League of Ireland; to assist clubs in creating a sound business and financial structure upon which they can build; to reduce the largest and most significant cost involved in running a club; and to assist clubs in achieving a financially viable, sustainable and successful league in Ireland.



Why is the Salary Cost Protocol needed?

Salary costs represent the number one cost for all clubs in the eircom League of Ireland. These salary costs have increased dramatically in recent times in comparison with turnovers.







Current revenue levels are simply not strong enough to support current salary cost trends.

A number of clubs have fallen into financial difficulties in the past and if current trends continue more clubs run the risk of going out of business. It is vital when running a successful business that a return on investment is achieved. Salary Costs represent the largest investment in football in Ireland. However, the current revenues do not represent sustainable returns.

The Salary Cost Protocol will help to ensure that investment into the league is used for the development of clubs in areas such as infrastructure and youth development rather than simply for player salary costs. This will help to keep funds in the game.

Financial Facts for eircom League of Ireland clubs
Based on 2006 Financial Statements

11 – Number of clubs spending more than 65% of revenue on salary costs
3 – Number of clubs spending more than 100% of revenue on salary costs.
77% - Overall % of revenue spent by clubs on salary costs

€4.6m – Pro Rata 12 month losses for the league.
€3.5m - The amount which would have been saved had the Salary Cost Protocol been operational in 2006
€159k - The average saving for each of the 22 eircom League of Ireland clubs

Recent UEFA benchmarking reports showed the average salary to turnover % in Europe to be 54%. At 77% the eircom League of Ireland is 23% above average.




What is “Relevant Income”?

Relevant Income is all revenues earned by clubs during the year with two exceptions:

1. Income streams which must be ring fenced against a particular expenditure (i.e. European Preparation Grants or Club Promotions Contributions) cannot be included in the Relevant Income figure.
2. Only the profit element of bar income can be included.



Are Investors Funds included?

Yes, income contributed by investors can be included as “Corporate & Private Investment” so long as the investment meets three criteria:

1. The funds must be non-refundable;
2. The funds are not in the form of an equity investment;
3. The distribution of the funds is at the sole discretion of the clubs executive management.

This will ensure that the funds used to pay players salaries are club funds and not simply loans used to cover the cost.



What about Loans?

No loans of any kind can be included. Cash received by way of loans is not income.



What outgoings are included in “Related Expenditure”?

Related expenditure includes all payments made to players during the course of the year. This includes gross basic salary, any bonuses or appearance fees, agent fees, pension contributions, relocations costs, benefits in kind, expenses, loans (unless repaid in full during the year) and social taxes & charges. In essence it is any monetary consideration received by a player or the monetary equivalent where the consideration is of a non-monetary nature.


How will it be monitored?

All clubs must complete a Salary Cost Protocol declaration at the beginning and end of each year.

All clubs must submit Future Financial Information (budgets) and the assumptions on which they are based to the FAI by 31 January. This information will be reviewed prior to the season commencing and a report will be issued to each club outlining their Salary Cost Protocol position at this point.

Under FAI 2008 Club Licensing criteria, all Premier Division clubs must submit management accounts on a monthly basis. First Division clubs must do so on a bimonthly basis and ‘A’ Championship clubs on a quarterly basis. All clubs must now submit their management accounts, Future Financial Information and audited financial statements under standardised income and expense categories. The management accounts will be reviewed directly upon submission and a club-by-club analysis will be prepared on a monthly basis to ensure each clubs continued compliance. Each club has been provided with integrated schedules which will allow them to monitor their own position as well.

If a club reaches 55%, each subsequent player registration must be accompanied by a letter from the club acknowledging their current position and confirming that the club has examined its financial situation and has concluded that the new registration will not result in a breach of the protocol.

A final Salary Cost Protocol declaration must be provided with the audited financial statements. The figures included in this declaration under the headings “Relevant Income” and “Related Expenditure” must be reconciled directly to the clubs audited financial statements. This reconciliation must be reviewed by the auditor.

If at any point during the year a club is found to be in breach, they will be informed of the breach and requested to discuss the matter with the FAI. The FAI Club Licensing Committee will be convened and the breach and explanation put to them.


Can Future Financial Information submissions (Budgets) be updated during the year?

Yes, prior to the commencement of the summer transfer window clubs can update their future financial information schedules provided they supply reasonable explanations and assumptions for the new figures. A second report will then be issued to each club which will let them know exactly what their current % is prior to the opening of the transfer window.


What Sanctions can be applied?

The FAI Club Licensing Committee will have the power to apply any one or combination of the following;

• Reprimand
• Fines
• Transfer Embargo
• Points Deduction
• Prize Money withheld
• Removal as eircom League of Ireland's European Representative
• Withdrawal of licence


Who has been informed of the new rule?

The Salary Cost Protocol was first introduced in the 2007 FAI Club Licensing Manual. The 2007 season was an introductory period to help clubs familiarise themselves with the process and to ensure that all clubs were in a position to adhere to the criteria from 2008 when the Salary Cost Protocol becomes mandatory.

Presentations on the Salary Cost Protocol were made by Pádraig Smith, the FAI Internal Compliance Officer, to the clubs, the managers association, the players union, the PFAI and the media.

In addition to this three Financial Workshops were held to which all clubs were invited, where the workings of the Salary Cost Protocol were discussed in depth.

The above FAQ is intended for the fans of eircom League of Ireland and helps to ensure that all key stakeholders in the game have been advised of the new criteria and understand how it will operate.

[Lamps]

so from the looks of it, Arkaga or whatever they are called, can't invest in the equity of the club to boost turnover but they can send joe soap into the city shop and buy a pencil for say 2 million, then everything's ok.

[optimus]

yes i believe so as i said theres a shitload of loopholes in it.

[MonTheHoops]

Are City a PLC?

Was Lennox the owner or just the majority shareholder?

[CCOSC]

Are City a PLC?

Was Lennox the owner or just the majority shareholder?

Lennox was the owner, he bought out the previous board of five.