Liverpool - A disgrace

[ebenezer]

Stingy Liverpool have refused to donate their gate money to cash-strapped FA Cup opponents Luton.

The League One minnows are in administration.

And the hard-up Hatters could go bust if they do not find a buyer by 5pm on Monday.
Appeal snubbed

Luton asked the Kop giants to give up their share of tomorrow’s third-round gate, which is around £200,000.

But their appeal was snubbed.

Hatters boss Kevin Blackwell blasted: “They probably said: ‘We have to pay players £100,000 a week. You must be joking! Otherwise we will be like you!

“You just have to accept it. There are people in life who have got a Rolls Royce while some people have a Mini.

“We are Mini drivers. We tried to live like a Rolls Royce but that’s why we are where we are.”

Liverpool refused to comment last night but the Anfield outfit are also facing financial troubles.

Owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have been forced to scale down plans for a new £400million stadium.

And the American tycoons are trying to refinance a £220m loan they took out to buy the club.

[MonTheHoops]

I know it's only shillings to Liverpool but Luton's predicament is the fault of Luton and Luton only.

I hope Liverpool give it to charity.

[#11sully]

Stingy Liverpool have refused to donate their gate money to cash-strapped FA Cup opponents Luton.

The League One minnows are in administration.

And the hard-up Hatters could go bust if they do not find a buyer by 5pm on Monday.
Appeal snubbed

Luton asked the Kop giants to give up their share of tomorrow’s third-round gate, which is around £200,000.

But their appeal was snubbed.

Hatters boss Kevin Blackwell blasted: “They probably said: ‘We have to pay players £100,000 a week. You must be joking! Otherwise we will be like you!

“You just have to accept it. There are people in life who have got a Rolls Royce while some people have a Mini.

“We are Mini drivers. We tried to live like a Rolls Royce but that’s why we are where we are.”

Liverpool refused to comment last night but the Anfield outfit are also facing financial troubles.

Owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have been forced to scale down plans for a new £400million stadium.

And the American tycoons are trying to refinance a £220m loan they took out to buy the club.
This comment says it all

I know it's only shillings to Liverpool but Luton's predicament is the fault of Luton and Luton only.

I hope Liverpool give it to charity.

Spot on.

[gooner]

im sorry but why should liverpool give up there money to luton:confused:

teams that get themselfs in trouble have only themselfs to blame for spending money they dont have,
every couple of weeks theres some team in trouble , all down to living beyond there means
its not up to a couple of clubs to bale out the rest:-?

[Rebelred]

Not Liverpools problem to be honest. Will Luton go looking for the gate off their next league opponents aswell?

[MonTheHoops]

Not Liverpools problem to be honest. Will Luton go looking for the gate off their next league opponents aswell?

Imagine buying a house with a mortgage you can't afford and then acting all shocked when they try to re-possess it?

[ebenezer]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6999/461a18fe0e314c2ca3ae 7fezy8.jpg

[Rebelred]

Imagine buying a house with a mortgage you can't afford and then acting all shocked when they try to re-possess it?

This whole "Just coz we're a football club we shouldn't have to run our business properly" thing needs to get sorted.

[3pointplay]

Fuck em, It is there own fault they are in this mess now.

[lyspy]

Blackwell was always one sob story after another. Liverpool are right, they didn't overspend, also Luton have been charged for illegal payments during transfers so I have no pity for the people who run the club.

[MonTheHoops]

This whole "Just coz we're a football club we shouldn't have to run our business properly" thing needs to get sorted.

Not while there's football fans whispering into chairmen's ears.

Look at Boro. If they were an actual business, how long would they be sustainable?

They get poor crowds.
They win very little.
They have a history of paying players high wages.
Gibson has been throwing money at every manager he's had with little results.

[Rebelred]

Not while there's football fans whispering into chairmen's ears.

Look at Boro. If they were an actual business, how long would they be sustainable?

They get poor crowds.
They win very little.
They have a history of paying players high wages.
Gibson has been throwing money at every manager he's had with little results.

only in football!

[#11sully]

Blackwell was always one sob story after another. Liverpool are right, they didn't overspend, also Luton have been charged for illegal payments during transfers so I have no pity for the people who run the club.

Paying agents.
This is their second time going into admin, so why should some other clubs help them out. If they couldn't learn from their mistakes first time around well then they should be left to rot.

[Chuck Norri]

Stingy Liverpool have refused to donate their gate money to cash-strapped FA Cup opponents Luton.

The League One minnows are in administration.

And the hard-up Hatters could go bust if they do not find a buyer by 5pm on Monday.
Appeal snubbed

Luton asked the Kop giants to give up their share of tomorrow’s third-round gate, which is around £200,000.

But their appeal was snubbed.

Hatters boss Kevin Blackwell blasted: “They probably said: ‘We have to pay players £100,000 a week. You must be joking! Otherwise we will be like you!

“You just have to accept it. There are people in life who have got a Rolls Royce while some people have a Mini.

“We are Mini drivers. We tried to live like a Rolls Royce but that’s why we are where we are.”

Liverpool refused to comment last night but the Anfield outfit are also facing financial troubles.

Owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have been forced to scale down plans for a new £400million stadium.

And the American tycoons are trying to refinance a £220m loan they took out to buy the club.

a disgrace???

the only disgrace here is luton,

fuck em,

why should liverpool have to "donate" money to a club that has put itself in that position?

if thats the case then they should start a charity and go cap in hand to all the other clubs in FA cup looking for hand outs,

the next they'll be getting their players to sell the Big Issue at half time,

FFS disgrace.

[ebenezer]

a disgrace???

FFS disgrace.

Disgraceful behaviour from a horrid club.

[Chuck Norri]

Disgraceful behaviour from a horrid club.

your being overly harsh on luton in fairness,

[3pointplay]

Disgraceful behaviour from a horrid club.

But why should Liverpool help em?

[ebenezer]

But why should Liverpool help em?

The dirty, scummy, scousers play in the Chumpions League, Premier Mouse League and it's only 2 weeks wages for Susie G, and Luton could go bust.

What ever happened to the magic of the FA Cup :?: (rhetorical question)

[Rebelred]

The dirty, scummy, scousers play in the Chumpions League, Premier Mouse League and it's only 2 weeks wages for Susie G, and Luton could go bust.

What ever happened to the magic of the FA Cup :?: (rhetorical question)

but the point is that it not Liverpools concern that Luton haven't been able to manage their finances (twice). If your beloved Forest had beaten them in the last round then they wouldn't even have had the opportunity to ask for the money.

[ebenezer]

but the point is that it not Liverpools concern that Luton haven't been able to manage their finances (twice). If your beloved Forest had beaten them in the last round then they wouldn't even have had the opportunity to ask for the money.

If my friend, If.

[Rebelred]

If my friend, If.

:) still hurts doesn't it

anyway, United fan I may be, but I fully back Liverpool on this one.

[ebenezer]

anyway, United fan I may be, but I fully back Liverpool on this one.

You Premier League fat cat. :wink:

[3pointplay]

The dirty, scummy, scousers play in the Chumpions League, Premier Mouse League and it's only 2 weeks wages for Susie G, and Luton could go bust.

What ever happened to the magic of the FA Cup :?: (rhetorical question)

I would be happy to see Luton go bust as long as the Liverpool lads get paid.

[bundyv1]

The dirty, scummy, scousers play in the Chumpions League, Premier Mouse League and it's only 2 weeks wages for Susie G, and Luton could go bust.

What ever happened to the magic of the FA Cup :?: (rhetorical question)

A Rheto Ric question??
;)

[xvis]

It appears to be much ado about nothing, ..the administrator asked the question.

'When asked if the thought had crossed his mind to ask Liverpool to donate their share Blackwell said: "That has been asked by the administrator I believe.

"But they probably said: "We have to pay players £100,000 a week. You must be joking - Otherwise we will end up like you!'

Luton are already doing well with the the Sky Sports TV and BBC radio fees from the game, ..as well as the gate.

[xvis]

What ever happened to the magic of the FA Cup :?: (rhetorical question)


Buried on a beach in Rio.










Apparently.

[keanos dog]

Imagine buying a house with a mortgage you can't afford and then acting all shocked when they try to re-possess it?

and expecting the rich fella down the road to pay for it.

[keanos dog]

The dirty, scummy, scousers play in the Chumpions League, Premier Mouse League and it's only 2 weeks wages for Susie G, and Luton could go bust.

What ever happened to the magic of the FA Cup :?: (rhetorical question)


couldn't luton have given up home advantage and received half the anfield gate????

[ho chi feen]

Luton should stop whining. The position they find themselves in is no-one's doing but their own. If things are really that bad, they ought to have a bit of imagination and organise something similar to Brighton's 'Fan's United' day a few years back.

[ebenezer]

couldn't luton have given up home advantage and received half the anfield gate????

In the words of Staunton - 'You tell me.'

[keanos dog]

In the words of Staunton - 'You tell me.'

yes they could.

[xvis]

yes they could.

...They must fancy their chances so.



They've done well in the cups already this season, ..knocked Sunderland out, took Everton almost to penalties.


Get on!

[ebenezer]

Luton are fantastic on their own patch.

[Rebelred]

In the words of Staunton - 'You tell me.'

maybe they should put a 4 year plan in place... just to be sure

[VzN]

If they're around long enough that is

[Echoboy]

Liverpool refused to comment last night but the Anfield outfit are also facing financial troubles.

Owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have been forced to scale down plans for a new £400million stadium.

And the American tycoons are trying to refinance a £220m loan they took out to buy the club.

How Everton and Liverpool are both allowed develop a new ground each is beyond me. They should build one and share it. There is no logical reason why they shouldn't given the costs of stadia over 60,000.

[ccfc1984]

Luton got themselves in to the mess so it's up to Luton to get themselves out of it. Why should Liverpool hand over their share of gate receipts ? Someone made a great point earlier in the thread, the mortgage on the house one. It's also their second time in admin. if they didn't learn from the first time fuck 'em. Did they ask Forest for the money in the previous round ? Did they ask their league opponents to help out ? Did they fuck, just because it's a big team, they're thinking they have loads of money surely they'll help us out. Liverpool have debts of their own to pay, they have players and other staff to pay, so every penny counts.

[raZor]

How Everton and Liverpool are both allowed develop a new ground each is beyond me. They should build one and share it. There is no logical reason why they shouldn't given the costs of stadia over 60,000.

yep makes sense, but when does sense come into these situations?

[xvis]

How Everton and Liverpool are both allowed develop a new ground each is beyond me. They should build one and share it. There is no logical reason why they shouldn't given the costs of stadia over 60,000.

Well they couldn't agree on rent in 1892, which was the genesis of LFC in the vacated Anfield.


If there are plans to house both clubs back together again in one ground in the future, then surely the only sensible thing to then do would be to dissolve Liverpool FC and continue as it was back then as only Everton.


Liverpool are only the puppet scabs of that landlord.

[#11sully]

Well they couldn't agree on rent in 1892, which was the genesis of LFC in the vacated Anfield.





And thats when football began. :lol: :lol:

[TonyCochrane]

Paying agents.
This is their second time going into admin, so why should some other clubs help them out. If they couldn't learn from their mistakes first time around well then they should be left to rot.

Three times in nine years according to the paper today.

[3pointplay]

Three times in nine years according to the paper today.

If it was any other business then football they would all be rightly fucked.

[KolaKubes]

"Dear other professional club,

Can we have £100,000? Pretty please?

Yours,

A shower of chancers".


Liverpool dead right to tell them to fuck off.

[Kenneth Hickey]

damn right!

[ebenezer]

All you Premier League fat cats.

[MonTheHoops]

All you Premier League fat cats.

Did Forest part with their gates for Luton?

[Kenneth Hickey]

All you Premier League fat cats.

cobble the back of my sack you forrest cunt.

[ebenezer]

cobble the back of my sack you forrest cunt.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1615/fishingal1.gif

[ebenezer]

Did Forest part with their gates for Luton?

Is there a 'special bond' between Celtic and Liverpool :?:

[Rebelred]

Is there a 'special bond' between Celtic and Liverpool :?:

weren't Forest once premier league fat cats themselves ;)

[ebenezer]

weren't Forest once premier league fat cats themselves ;)

We are and have always been a respectable club.

[ebenezer]

Can anyone tell me the last English side to win a European game at Parkhead :?:

[Kenneth Hickey]

ha ha ha..

he he he..

ho ho ho.

[#11sully]

weren't Forest once premier league fat cats themselves ;)

They were once one of the premier league minnows.
Today they are just a feeder club for a league 2 team. i.e. Notts county. :p

[MonTheHoops]

Can anyone tell me the last English side to win a European game at Parkhead :?:

Barcelona ;)

[KolaKubes]

I think I'm going to apply this principle to one of my better paid co-workers on Monday.

"Shit, spent a fortune over the weekend, any chance you'd give me a €100?"

[STEVIEG]

There's been another twist

Liverpool's plea for financial help from Luton is turned down

Luton have refused a request from Liverpool to donate their share of the gate money from tomorrow’s FA Cup third-round tie to their opponents, despite the Premiership club being in such dire financial straits that they cannot afford to feed their manager.

Liverpool are expected to lose £30m in Champions League revenue for next season, and despite receiving a free stadium from their lovable owners, will struggle to pay off debts incurred through the severance payment to their manager.

Liverpool's captain, Steven Gerrard was reluctant to accept Luton's decision. "It's erm a disgrace, we need it more than they do, Liverpool is a massive massive club, and Chelsea don't want me any more, so its my job on the line. I need the cash to pay for a new set of security guards."

Scouse Hero Jamie Carragher was similarly disgruntled, speaking through a translator, he said "Fuck 'em, we'll just steal it anyway."

Manager Rafael Benitez merely complained about the quality of fast food in Luton, saying the facilities were "A disgrace, there are less than 3 KFC restaurants in this town"



Seriously though, can't see why there was such an outcry

[Kenneth Hickey]

There's been another twist

Liverpool's plea for financial help from Luton is turned down

Luton have refused a request from Liverpool to donate their share of the gate money from tomorrow’s FA Cup third-round tie to their opponents, despite the Premiership club being in such dire financial straits that they cannot afford to feed their manager.

Liverpool are expected to lose £30m in Champions League revenue for next season, and despite receiving a free stadium from their lovable owners, will struggle to pay off debts incurred through the severance payment to their manager.

Liverpool's captain, Steven Gerrard was reluctant to accept Luton's decision. "It's erm a disgrace, we need it more than they do, Liverpool is a massive massive club, and Chelsea don't want me any more, so its my job on the line. I need the cash to pay for a new set of security guards."

Scouse Hero Jamie Carragher was similarly disgruntled, speaking through a translator, he said "Fuck 'em, we'll just steal it anyway."

Manager Rafael Benitez merely complained about the quality of fast food in Luton, saying the facilities were "A disgrace, there are less than 3 KFC restaurants in this town"



Seriously though, can't see why there was such an outcry


very harsh steve, he's not that fat like.

[STEVIEG]

True dat

[KolaKubes]

There's been another twist

Liverpool's plea for financial help from Luton is turned down

Luton have refused a request from Liverpool to donate their share of the gate money from tomorrow’s FA Cup third-round tie to their opponents, despite the Premiership club being in such dire financial straits that they cannot afford to feed their manager.

Liverpool are expected to lose £30m in Champions League revenue for next season, and despite receiving a free stadium from their lovable owners, will struggle to pay off debts incurred through the severance payment to their manager.

Liverpool's captain, Steven Gerrard was reluctant to accept Luton's decision. "It's erm a disgrace, we need it more than they do, Liverpool is a massive massive club, and Chelsea don't want me any more, so its my job on the line. I need the cash to pay for a new set of security guards."

Scouse Hero Jamie Carragher was similarly disgruntled, speaking through a translator, he said "Fuck 'em, we'll just steal it anyway."

Manager Rafael Benitez merely complained about the quality of fast food in Luton, saying the facilities were "A disgrace, there are less than 3 KFC restaurants in this town"



Seriously though, can't see why there was such an outcry

Quality.

[scrumpy]

There's been another twist

Liverpool's plea for financial help from Luton is turned down

Luton have refused a request from Liverpool to donate their share of the gate money from tomorrow’s FA Cup third-round tie to their opponents, despite the Premiership club being in such dire financial straits that they cannot afford to feed their manager.

Liverpool are expected to lose £30m in Champions League revenue for next season, and despite receiving a free stadium from their lovable owners, will struggle to pay off debts incurred through the severance payment to their manager.

Liverpool's captain, Steven Gerrard was reluctant to accept Luton's decision. "It's erm a disgrace, we need it more than they do, Liverpool is a massive massive club, and Chelsea don't want me any more, so its my job on the line. I need the cash to pay for a new set of security guards."

Scouse Hero Jamie Carragher was similarly disgruntled, speaking through a translator, he said "Fuck 'em, we'll just steal it anyway."

Manager Rafael Benitez merely complained about the quality of fast food in Luton, saying the facilities were "A disgrace, there are less than 3 KFC restaurants in this town"



Seriously though, can't see why there was such an outcry

thats funny shit!!!:-D :-D

but fuck yourself you manc bastard!!:evil:

[keanos dog]

All you Premier League fat cats.

dry yer eyes mate, i know it's hard to take....

[bundyv1]

dry yer eyes mate, i know it's hard to take....

JjnFJDTvS_o

[keanos dog]

JjnFJDTvS_o

brings back memories. had a decent bet on france to win that game. had written the bet off though. then up steps zidane, the master. 1-1,2-1. goodnight.money in the bank.might give it to luton.....

[comred]

Luton could go into administration tomorrow and their fans are singing 'sign on' to liverpool fans :crazyeye:

[liam2me]

well they'll get a nice cut of the money from the replay

[3pointplay]

Should Luon be kicked out of the cup if they go into administration tomorrow?

[#11sully]

Should Luon be kicked out of the cup if they go into administration tomorrow?

Hope that don't happen. It would give people on here more reason to get on the anti liverpool wagon.
Imagne if Anfield was empty for the replay. Luton would get half of nothing. :D

[3pointplay]

Hope that don't happen. It would give people on here more reason to get on the anti liverpool wagon.
Imagne if Anfield was empty for the replay. Luton would get half of nothing. :D

Mass blanking of the game by Liverpool fans sounds good.:p

[Lee Bushwacker]

:silly:
If all of Pool's Cup opponents go bust they have a great chance of winning the trophy!
They won't be so lucky in the CL though - think of all that dosh there gong to lose after being knocked out by Inter Milan!!! :twisted:

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00415/SNN0801GX1_682_41554 6a.jpg

THIS is the flashpoint moment when raging Jamie Carragher lunged at taunting fans – and offered to FIGHT them.
The Liverpool defender lost it over banter by eight Luton supporters wearing curly black wigs and yellow shellsuits like the bickering Scousers from ’90s comedy show Harry Enfield’s Television Programme.


Calm down ... fuming
Jamie Carragher
Like the TV characters, they urged him to “calm down” as he jogged round the pitch with teammates after Sunday’s FA Cup draw at Luton’s ground.

They also hurled remarks about midfielder John Arne Riise’s ginger hair.

Ex-England player Carragher first shouted at the fans, who were in a box on the terraces, from the pitch. But then he leapt up a fence to confront them.

Carragher, 29, screamed obscenities and yelled: “Come on – let’s have it!” Security guards had to drag him away.

Luton fan Michael Sapsford, who was in the box, said: “This is a Premiership star behaving like a thug.”



Plumber Michael, 24, added: “He couldn’t cope with banter in good spirits that hundreds of other players put up with every week.”

No complaint was made after the game – attended by new England boss Fabio Capello.

But a Luton FC spokesman said: “There was a problem being investigated by our safety officer.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article662037.ece

Oh dear.

Part of the sun's anti liverpool stance no doubt.

[Sound]

Could he be any more of a legend?

[ebenezer]

Liverpool are utter scum.

The Sun is a fantastic newspaper. Probably my favourite.

[ebenezer]

Could he be any more of a legend?

I'd like to see him confront me. I'd smash the crooked teeth out of his head.

[Sound]

I'd like to see him confront me. I'd smash the crooked teeth out of his head.

Ooh scary! Is there anything more terrifying than a keyboard hero?

[wat_boy]

I'd like to see him confront me. I'd smash the crooked teeth out of his head.

oh dear god! fuck off and get a life would ya you fucking tool

[ebenezer]

Ooh scary! Is there anything more terrifying than a keyboard hero?

Another one of your imitated comments to go with the terrible ''Jesus wept.''

I would never use such embarrassing, nerdy Internet cliches.

[ebenezer]

oh dear god! fuck off and get a life would ya you fucking tool

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2038/fishingud5.gif

[Sound]

Another one of your imitated comments to go with the terrible ''Jesus wept.''

I would never use such embarrassing, nerdy Internet cliches.

I tend to use language you might have a chance to understand.

[ebenezer]

I tend to use language you might have a chance to understand.

No, you use others.

[Sound]

No, you use others.

That it is in common parlance only helps my cause.

[ebenezer]

That it is in common parlance only helps my cause.

Next. :rolleyes:

[Sound]

Next. :rolleyes:

Jamie Carragher is next I believe. Give him a call there saying that you're claiming him.

[ebenezer]

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00415/SNN0801GX1_682_41554 6a.jpg


Jamie Carragher is next I believe. Give him a call there saying that you're claiming him.

Carragher is the guy starting fights, Noddy.

[Sound]

Jamie Carragher is next I believe. Give him a call there saying that you're claiming him.

Carragher is the guy starting fights, Noddy.

So you were there then?

[ebenezer]

So you were there then?

If it's in The Sun, it's THE TRUTH.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1232/3904184167c564b1391o ys3.jpg

[Sound]

Thank you and goodnight! :0)

PS. I'd have though a Forest fan would appreciate a good fan dust up? Clough wasn't shy about confronting a fan who deserved it.

[ebenezer]

Thank you and goodnight! :0)

PS. I'd have though a Forest fan would appreciate a good fan dust up? Clough wasn't shy about confronting a fan who deserved it.

Please don't ban me now.

[Sound]

Please don't ban me now.

Why would I do that? You have a gift for self-pwnership.

It's great!

[ebenezer]

Thank you and goodnight! :0)


Why would I do that? You have a gift for self-pwnership.

It's great!

I would beg to differ.

I thought you were going :?:

[Sound]

I would beg to differ.

I thought you were going :?:

Not at all old bean. You quoted the old 'The Truth' headline thereby making your point null and void. You pwned yourself good.

Re Banning. There's loads of reasons why that wont happen. You're a Forest fan which is good for the forum & yer a fiesty scamp which is great!

[ebenezer]

I have also noticed how you love the 'last word.'

I shall oblige you.

[#11sully]

FA Cup heroes Havant & Waterlooville went on a £100,000 bender after their 5-2 defeat at Anfield on Saturday, with Liverpool picking up the tab for the part-time footballers' night of celebrations.

I wonder how Blackwell reacts to this. Heh heh.

[Philby]

Liverpool also paid Havant`s hotel fees for the weekend. Fair play to Luton for asking but Liverpool were under no obligation to bail Luton out of a mess of their own making.

[#11sully]

Liverpool also paid Havant`s hotel fees for the weekend. Fair play to Luton for asking but Liverpool were under no obligation to bail Luton out of a mess of their own making.

Agree with ya.
Ebenezer wher are thou. :lol!:

[ebenezer]

Typical Liverpool, trying to save face after their latest shameful, detestable, inglorious episode.

[ebenezer]

This isn't breaking news and I'm sure the majority are already aware, but I feel it's my business to declare such incidents.

(Don't worry, we'll get in, we always do.) - The well-known Scouse philosophy.

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Liverpool supporters at it again :

Heysel, Lepping's Lane, Athens. Will they ever learn ? (http://www.liverpooldailypo st.co.uk/videos-pictures/videos/videos-news/2008/04/03/ticket-row-delays-liverpool-fans-before-champions-league-clash-64375-20713907/)

[#11sully]

This isn't breaking news and I'm sure the majority are already aware, but I feel it's my business to declare such incidents.

(Don't worry, we'll get in, we always do.) - The well-known Scouse philosophy.

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Liverpool supporters at it again :

Heysel, Lepping's Lane, Athens. Will they ever learn ? (http://www.liverpooldailypo st.co.uk/videos-pictures/videos/videos-news/2008/04/03/ticket-row-delays-liverpool-fans-before-champions-league-clash-64375-20713907/)

Stirring the crap again because of your own teams failings. :rolleyes:

"as poorly organised policing allowed a crush to develop outside the turnstiles"

FFS. There is better organisation out in turners cross with letting people into the ground.
As one guy said, a state of the art stadium and they can't even orgainse a CL game properly. People with forged tickets getting into the ground. They scan tickets these days so people with these tickets shouldn't have gotten near the stadium.

[ho chi feen]

Stirring the crap again because of your own teams failings. :rolleyes:

"as poorly organised policing allowed a crush to develop outside the turnstiles"

FFS. There is better organisation out in turners cross with letting people into the ground.
As one guy said, a state of the art stadium and they can't even orgainse a CL game properly. People with forged tickets getting into the ground. They scan tickets these days so people with these tickets shouldn't have gotten near the stadium.

Seems like a disaster all round, no train link to the stadium apparently, heard Arsenal fans on 606 after the game still stuck in Islington station at 11pm.

[Sound]

Pool fans at this game and Utd in Lyon using forged tickets.

Fucking retards the lot of them.

PS. Only mentioning Utd as it happened recently

[kevinbitzz]

This isn't breaking news and I'm sure the majority are already aware, but I feel it's my business to declare such incidents.

(Don't worry, we'll get in, we always do.) - The well-known Scouse philosophy.

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Liverpool supporters at it again :

Heysel, Lepping's Lane, Athens. Will they ever learn ? (http://www.liverpooldailypo st.co.uk/videos-pictures/videos/videos-news/2008/04/03/ticket-row-delays-liverpool-fans-before-champions-league-clash-64375-20713907/)

Jesus!!!! that looked well rough all right, there was some amount of trouble, someone actually "fell near a horse", whatever next? Imagine all the people who had their toes stood on, i just hope nobody was wearing sandals......

[doing it]

Stirring the crap again because of your own teams failings. :rolleyes:

They scan tickets these days so people with these tickets shouldn't have gotten near the stadium.

Wrong there, you can get up as far as the turnstile, your thinking of the setup in Croke Park.

[Wasted and wounded]

This isn't breaking news and I'm sure the majority are already aware, but I feel it's my business to declare such incidents.

(Don't worry, we'll get in, we always do.) - The well-known Scouse philosophy.

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Liverpool supporters at it again :

Heysel, Lepping's Lane, Athens. Will they ever learn ? (http://www.liverpooldailypo st.co.uk/videos-pictures/videos/videos-news/2008/04/03/ticket-row-delays-liverpool-fans-before-champions-league-clash-64375-20713907/)

I was fucking there, and the London Met were the cause of the delay and crush. There may have been forgeries, I didn't see or hear of any, unlike Athens, when they were all over the place. Thats besides the point anyway, there are always a small amount of people who will try and sell unsuspecting souls forgeries, and the police should be able to control it. The fact is, they had 2 electronic turnstiles to allow 4000 people into the away end. A good proportion of bona fide tickets (including mine, when I eventually got there a good 20 minutes into the game, having arrived at 7:15pm) weren't being read by the scanner, causing delays.

The coppers immediately thought "forgeries", shit themselves. Their immediate action was to close both turnstiles and bring in horses to control the backed up crowd. Now anyone with half a brain would think, maybe bringing huge animals into a crowd of people is not the wisest thing to do.

The cause of the problems were:
1 having just two turnstiles
2 above turnstiles not working properly
3 lack of cordon 50 yards or so from the ground where tickets are checked so no-one without a ticket gets near the turnstiles. Other grounds in Europe even clubs in so-called lesser leagues, e.g Anderlecht, Sofia, Ljubljana, do it, its pretty simple.
4 over anxious policing by the Met's finest, as seen at the Chelsea semi finals in 05 and 07. I heard numerous cops tell people simply, calmly, asking what was going on to "fuck off, you scouse cunt". Lovely.

Mentioning Heysel and Hillsborough in the same sentence just indicates you're absolutely clueless. Been to many games, have you?

[ebenezer]

I was fucking there, and the London Met were the cause of the delay and crush. There may have been forgeries, I didn't see or hear of any, unlike Athens, when they were all over the place. Thats besides the point anyway, there are always a small amount of people who will try and sell unsuspecting souls forgeries, and the police should be able to control it. The fact is, they had 2 electronic turnstiles to allow 4000 people into the away end. A good proportion of bona fide tickets (including mine, when I eventually got there a good 20 minutes into the game, having arrived at 7:15pm) weren't being read by the scanner, causing delays.

The coppers immediately thought "forgeries", shit themselves. Their immediate action was to close both turnstiles and bring in horses to control the backed up crowd. Now anyone with half a brain would think, maybe bringing huge animals into a crowd of people is not the wisest thing to do.

The cause of the problems were:
1 having just two turnstiles
2 above turnstiles not working properly
3 lack of cordon 50 yards or so from the ground where tickets are checked so no-one without a ticket gets near the turnstiles. Other grounds in Europe even clubs in so-called lesser leagues, e.g Anderlecht, Sofia, Ljubljana, do it, its pretty simple.
4 over anxious policing by the Met's finest, as seen at the Chelsea semi finals in 05 and 07. I heard numerous cops tell people simply, calmly, asking what was going on to "fuck off, you scouse cunt". Lovely.

Mentioning Heysel and Hillsborough in the same sentence just indicates you're absolutely clueless. Been to many games, have you?

Hook, line and SNOOKERED. :lol!: :lol!: :lol!:

[ebenezer]

I must say, Sound, you're not the worst of 'em.

[Wasted and wounded]

Hook, line and SNOOKERED. :lol!: :lol!: :lol!:

So using Heysel and Hillsborough are ok as long as you get catch someone out? Pathetic.

[ebenezer]

So using Heysel and Hillsborough are ok as long as you get catch someone out? Pathetic.

Heysel, Hillsborough, Athens. All coincidence :?:

It's never your fault, is it :?:

Did you have a 'genuine' ticket :?:

[#11sully]

Wrong there, you can get up as far as the turnstile, your thinking of the setup in Croke Park.

On what point was I wrong?
I haven't been to Croke park in donkeys years and don't intend on going there anytime soon so I don't know what you are on about there.

[Wasted and wounded]

Heysel, Hillsborough, Athens. All coincidence :?:

It's never your fault, is it :?:

Did you have a 'genuine' ticket :?:

I'm not even going to bother, you're clueless, when's the last time you've been to a big game of football?

[#11sully]

I was fucking there, and the London Met were the cause of the delay and crush. There may have been forgeries, I didn't see or hear of any, unlike Athens, when they were all over the place. Thats besides the point anyway, there are always a small amount of people who will try and sell unsuspecting souls forgeries, and the police should be able to control it. The fact is, they had 2 electronic turnstiles to allow 4000 people into the away end. A good proportion of bona fide tickets (including mine, when I eventually got there a good 20 minutes into the game, having arrived at 7:15pm) weren't being read by the scanner, causing delays.

The coppers immediately thought "forgeries", shit themselves. Their immediate action was to close both turnstiles and bring in horses to control the backed up crowd. Now anyone with half a brain would think, maybe bringing huge animals into a crowd of people is not the wisest thing to do.

The cause of the problems were:
1 having just two turnstiles
2 above turnstiles not working properly
3 lack of cordon 50 yards or so from the ground where tickets are checked so no-one without a ticket gets near the turnstiles. Other grounds in Europe even clubs in so-called lesser leagues, e.g Anderlecht, Sofia, Ljubljana, do it, its pretty simple.
4 over anxious policing by the Met's finest, as seen at the Chelsea semi finals in 05 and 07. I heard numerous cops tell people simply, calmly, asking what was going on to "fuck off, you scouse cunt". Lovely.

Mentioning Heysel and Hillsborough in the same sentence just indicates you're absolutely clueless. Been to many games, have you?

Heysel, Hillsborough, Athens. All coincidence :?:

It's never your fault, is it :?:

Did you have a 'genuine' ticket :?:


try and read the posts (if you can) before asking stupid questions like this one.

[ebenezer]

I'm not even going to bother, you're clueless, when's the last time you've been to a big game of football?

A long time ago.

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There's a place we know where scousers go
and it's always lots of fun
you can have a laugh at many things
if you're ready with a pun

You can mock the dead of Munich
be glad that George Best's dead
you can sing a dozen funny songs
of Duncan Edwards' head

You can hope that Gary Neville
gets cancer and he dies
throw ammonia at Whiteside
and hope it blinds his eyes

You can even stone an ambulance
where Alan Smith is lying
even if it doesn't overturn
it's bound to be fun trying

You can talk of many pleasant things
with your like-minded mates
but you'll pause to show such reverence
as you pass the Shankly Gates

Where every single scally
who ever passed away
must be honoured and respected
have their own special day

Cos scousers are a special breed
their hearts upon their sleeve
they ask the country to join in
and watch them as they grieve

They celebrate and they respect
each liverpudlian who departs
they ask that we can shed their tears
and nurse their broken hearts

Yet mention dead of anyone
who doesn't fit their own
they laugh out loud there is no shred
of honour ever shown

They laugh at young men dying
on runways filled with ice
and celebrate that Munich day
and never would think twice

of mocking Harold Shipman's dead
that lived in another city
these wallowers in plastic grief
the masters of self pity

They wave their tin foil silverware
and throw cups filled with shit
to shower on opposing fans
but never will admit

the murder of their very own
their much loved Stanley knives
the night they killed Juventus fans
a tragic waste of lives

It's "justice for the 96"
but never 39
It's grieving for 'poor' Michael Shields
but not for Heysel dying

It's always everybody else
they're not the ones to blame
it was Chelsea, Yorkshire coppers
it's always been the same

We've all shed tears as 96
lay dying on the floor
but our sympathy has long since died
we'll grieve with you no more.

our sympathy has long since died
we'll grieve with you no more.

[Wasted and wounded]

A long time ago.


Thought as much. It's always the mouthy cunts who loudly pass comment from their armchair.

[ebenezer]

Thought as much. It's always the mouthy cunts who loudly pass comment from their armchair.

The downfall of supporting a 3rd division club.

[kevinbitzz]

The downfall of supporting a 3rd division club.

But Forest are great? :confused:

[#11sully]

But Forest are great? :confused:

:lol!: :lol!: :lol!:

[doing it]

Stevie gerrard - 'whats that cumming over your wife, is it a gangster'

[doing it]

On what point was I wrong?
I haven't been to Croke park in donkeys years and don't intend on going there anytime soon so I don't know what you are on about there.

sounds like ya you don't go to many games

[ho chi feen]

I must say, Sound, you're not the worst of 'em.

Sound was always one of the better manyooers.... :)

[kevinbitzz]

But Forest are great? :confused:

Fuckers let me down in my tuesday bet as well..........:mad:

[ebenezer]

Fuckers let me down in my tuesday bet as well..........:mad:

Pfft, bunch of losers.

[legend76]

Stevie gerrard - 'whats that cumming over your wife, is it a gangster'

good auld Pancake !!!

anyone know why he's called Pancake??

[ebenezer]

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[kevinbitzz]

Tantrum in Pram!!!!!!!!!!



toys everywhere!!!!!!!!!!



:lol!:




what up EB?

[Maw Maw]

not nice watching that lad,

[st finnbar]

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l.f.c crave Sympathy:o, and they just love an old protest:wink:

[ebenezer]

Drunk (ticket-less) Scousers turning up at 2:50 p.m.

[wat_boy]

l.f.c crave Sympathy:o, and they just love an old protest:wink:
here's a tip for ya! if you want it to look any bit like a decent wum leave out the smilies

[ebenezer]

here's a tip for ya! if you want it to look any bit like a decent wum leave out the smilies

There's a place we know where scousers go
and it's always lots of fun
you can have a laugh at many things
if you're ready with a pun

You can mock the dead of Munich
be glad that George Best's dead
you can sing a dozen funny songs
of Duncan Edwards' head

You can hope that Gary Neville
gets cancer and he dies
throw ammonia at Whiteside
and hope it blinds his eyes

You can even stone an ambulance
where Alan Smith is lying
even if it doesn't overturn
it's bound to be fun trying

You can talk of many pleasant things
with your like-minded mates
but you'll pause to show such reverence
as you pass the Shankly Gates

Where every single scally
who ever passed away
must be honoured and respected
have their own special day

Cos scousers are a special breed
their hearts upon their sleeve
they ask the country to join in
and watch them as they grieve

They celebrate and they respect
each liverpudlian who departs
they ask that we can shed their tears
and nurse their broken hearts

Yet mention dead of anyone
who doesn't fit their own
they laugh out loud there is no shred
of honour ever shown

They laugh at young men dying
on runways filled with ice
and celebrate that Munich day
and never would think twice

of mocking Harold Shipman's dead
that lived in another city
these wallowers in plastic grief
the masters of self pity

They wave their tin foil silverware
and throw cups filled with shit
to shower on opposing fans
but never will admit

the murder of their very own
their much loved Stanley knives
the night they killed Juventus fans
a tragic waste of lives

It's "justice for the 96"
but never 39
It's grieving for 'poor' Michael Shields
but not for Heysel dying

It's always everybody else
they're not the ones to blame
it was Chelsea, Yorkshire coppers
it's always been the same

We've all shed tears as 96
lay dying on the floor
but our sympathy has long since died
we'll grieve with you no more.

our sympathy has long since died
we'll grieve with you no more.

[st finnbar]

Drunk (ticket-less) Scousers turning up at 2:50 p.m.


and dont forget about robbing from their own fans :p

[comred]

dont forget

www.hfdinfo.com

apt title for you ebeneezer

[ebenezer]

dont forget

www.hfdinfo.com

apt title for you ebeneezer

Ebenezer, to you.

I have first-classed accounts from 40+ year olds whom have been friends with since I was five.

[st finnbar]

dont forget

www.hfdinfo.com

apt title for you ebeneezer

forget what , robbing from their fellow scouse while dying , sure they have moved on to the players now:mrgreen:

[comred]

so 2nd class accounts then. forest fans? police officers?

[ebenezer]

so 2nd class accounts then. forest fans? police officers?

Weak.

Last week.

[comred]

who's accounts were they?

[Professor Piehead]

Worst thread in the history of the tinterwebz.

[comred]

Worst thread in the history of the tinterwebz.

indeed.

[Philby]

Ebenezer, to you.

I have first-classed accounts from 40+ year olds whom have been friends with since I was five.

You had a load of 26+ yr old friends when you were 5 yrs old?

Maybe that's the route of your hostility towards Liverpool...were you abused as a child by a fella with a perm? :razz:

[ebenezer]

You had a load of 26+ yr old friends when you were 5 yrs old?

Maybe that's the route of your hostility towards Liverpool...were you abused as a child by a fella with a perm? :razz:

Filthy talk.

[Swoosh]

Hey Eb is your signature a contest between the number of Matty Taylors goals scored vs Albert Rieras goals scored cos Riera has more than 2 scored!

[ebenezer]

Gerrard ARRESTED.

[ebenezer]

It's the fault of the police, AGAIN.

[chipsncheese]

everton or man yoo fans drawing him out again

[corkman in dublin]

everton or man yoo fans drawing him out again

alritttt alrittt chaaaalm down chaaaalm down:-d

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

Gerrard arrested in assault probe
Steven Gerrard
Gerrard scored twice in his team's 5-1 win on Sunday

England and Liverpool footballer Steven Gerrard has been arrested following an alleged assault.

Police were called at about 0230 GMT following a disturbance at a restaurant in Southport, Merseyside. Six men were detained later in a nearby street.

The men, four from Huyton, one from Formby and one from Litherland, remain in police custody.

A 34-year-old man from Southport was taken to hospital with facial injuries, not thought to be life-threatening.

The incident is alleged to have taken place at the Lounge Inn, on Bold Street, a restaurant and late night music venue.

Goal scorer

Four men aged 33, 31, 29 and 19, all from Huyton, a 28-year-old from Formby and an 18-year-old from Litherland were arrested a short time later on nearby Lord Street.

Midfielder Gerrard, 28, is Liverpool captain and scored twice in his team's 5-1 victory over Newcastle on Sunday.

A police spokesman said: "Merseyside Police is investigating an assault that took place in the early hours of Monday December 29 on Bold Street in Southport.

"At around 2.30am this morning officers attended a disturbance at a licensed premises on Bold Street.

"Six men were arrested on suspicion of section 20 assault, on Lord Street."

The spokesman added all six currently remained in custody. It is believed no other Liverpool footballers are among those being held.

Gerrard was born and grew up on Huyton's Bluebell Estate.

Last month the Premier League star was given the freedom of his home borough of Knowsley in recognition of his contribution to football.

Liverpool FC said it would not be commenting.

Oh Stevie.

Be interesting to see if charges are pressed against him. I reckon its all a storm in a teacup but i suppose we will see in the next few days.

[Rebelred]

Just when everything was rosy in the Anfield garden too...
will be interesting to see if this effects his performances on the pitch, which have been top notch recently

[wat_boy]

Just when everything was rosy in the Anfield garden too...
will be interesting to see if this effects his performances on the pitch, which have been top notch recently

doubt it will tbh

[VzN]

Maybe he's the next Barton.

[AmadeusDC]

Maybe he's the next Barton.

I'd say newcastle would be happy to take him...... ;)

-AmadeusDC-

[Philby]

Just when everything was rosy in the Anfield garden too...
will be interesting to see if this effects his performances on the pitch, which have been top notch recently

Presuming that this "issue" doesn't impact his availability it's more likely to affect his performances positively than negatively...as we've seen in the past from the likes of Cantona & Barton (to a certain degree).

That said Gerrard has not been charged or found guilty of a single thing so it's unfair to tar him with the same brush as those convicts.

[ebenezer]

Just heard the news - a minute's silence at Deepdale on Saturday.

[xvis]

Presuming that this "issue" doesn't impact his availability it's more likely to affect his performances positively than negatively...as we've seen in the past from the likes of Cantona & Barton (to a certain degree).

That said Gerrard has not been charged or found guilty of a single thing so it's unfair to tar him with the same brush as those convicts.

It's an issue Philbers, it happened and he's been charged with assault and affray.

He'll be wearing the suit 4 days after the derby. ..what a hoot for the toffees!

6 months porridge I'd say. ....and striped of the MBE.

[ebenezer]

I expect a lengthy prison sentence for such vermin.

[kevinbitzz]

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[steve sanders]

he was almost certainly liquored up. i would've thought such a 'pro' as gerrard would give that sort of evening a miss.

[ebenezer]

Heard a rumour from a reliable acquaintance, that Albert Riera offered to be the 'getaway driver'.

:o :o :o

[wat_boy]

He'll be wearing the suit 4 days after the derby. ..what a hoot for the toffees!



and he wont be long shutting the bitter cunts up when we batter them and he puts in a motm display, you just know its going to happen

[markinmanc]

It's amusing that Gerrard is presented as a victim in the whole thing. :confused:

[kevinbitzz]

Heard a rumour from a reliable acquaintance, that Albert Riera offered to be the 'getaway driver'.

:o

normally i do get your jokes EB, but this one, i'm not sure whats going on....

It's amusing that Gerrard is presented as a victim in the whole thing. :confused:

what?

he was involved in some kind of brawl, he hit some bloke and is charged with it,

who the hell is presenting Gerrard as the victim?

[lionelhutz]

from an evidential perspective it can be tricky to get a conviction for the offence of affray, under irish legislation anyway. i presume the english statute is very similar.
gerrard will probably say that he was gettin some stick and his actions were not unlawful but in 'self defence'. i would expect lots of witnesses to vouch.

its easier to get a conviction on an assualt charge. if its simple assault then its a minor enough matter as opposed to assault causing harm.

overall id expect the cross complaints to be dropped with money, i mean compensation exchanging hands

[ebenezer]

Dalglish breaks disaster silence :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7921890.stm

Football legend Kenny Dalglish has broken his 20-year silence on the Hillsborough disaster, saying that the kick-off should have been delayed.

Ninety-six fans were crushed to death at Sheffield Wednesday's stadium as Liverpool took on Nottingham Forest in an FA Cup semi-final on 15 April 1989.

Dalglish, who was manager of Liverpool at the time, said it was something "nobody should forget".

He said police and the FA should have considered delaying the match.

The crush happened when Liverpool fans who had not got into the ground by the time the game kicked off were allowed into an already-crowded section of terracing at the Leppings Lane end of the ground.

Supporters at the front of the terrace were pushed against metal fencing, which at the time was a common feature of English football stadiums to prevent pitch invasions.

Many fans tried to escape by climbing over the fence or being pulled up by other supporters in to the upper tier. In addition to the 96 who died, several hundred were injured.

The game was stopped after six minutes.

Dalglish, who also played for Liverpool for many years, as well as Celtic and Scotland, said: "The easiest thing to do is just to put the kick-off back a bit. That's no problem for anybody.

"If the police are talking to the FA and the FA have got to make that call, there wouldn't have been any resentment or disagreement with the people in the dressing room, neither Brian Clough [the Nottingham Forest manager at the time] or ourselves certainly.

"It's something that everybody wished had never happened but I think it's also something that nobody should forget."

He added: "We made sure somebody with Liverpool connections was at every funeral and I think the families really respected that.

"The boys weren't obtrusive in any way, they sat back and let the families get on with the grieving but they were there, their presence was there, but they didn't need to have anybody coming up and telling them how grateful they were to have been there, they were there because they wanted to be there."

Dalglish was interviewed for a programme to mark the 20th anniversary of the disaster, the first time he has spoken on camera about the events.

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Really Kenny. Should have been delayed :?:

Why :?:

The majority of Forest fans were in the stadium at 1:00pm.

It was drunken, ticketless Scousers who bombarded the ground at 2:50pm.

[youghalboi]

Dalglish breaks disaster silence :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7921890.stm

Football legend Kenny Dalglish has broken his 20-year silence on the Hillsborough disaster, saying that the kick-off should have been delayed.

Ninety-six fans were crushed to death at Sheffield Wednesday's stadium as Liverpool took on Nottingham Forest in an FA Cup semi-final on 15 April 1989.

Dalglish, who was manager of Liverpool at the time, said it was something "nobody should forget".

He said police and the FA should have considered delaying the match.

The crush happened when Liverpool fans who had not got into the ground by the time the game kicked off were allowed into an already-crowded section of terracing at the Leppings Lane end of the ground.

Supporters at the front of the terrace were pushed against metal fencing, which at the time was a common feature of English football stadiums to prevent pitch invasions.

Many fans tried to escape by climbing over the fence or being pulled up by other supporters in to the upper tier. In addition to the 96 who died, several hundred were injured.

The game was stopped after six minutes.

Dalglish, who also played for Liverpool for many years, as well as Celtic and Scotland, said: "The easiest thing to do is just to put the kick-off back a bit. That's no problem for anybody.

"If the police are talking to the FA and the FA have got to make that call, there wouldn't have been any resentment or disagreement with the people in the dressing room, neither Brian Clough [the Nottingham Forest manager at the time] or ourselves certainly.

"It's something that everybody wished had never happened but I think it's also something that nobody should forget."

He added: "We made sure somebody with Liverpool connections was at every funeral and I think the families really respected that.

"The boys weren't obtrusive in any way, they sat back and let the families get on with the grieving but they were there, their presence was there, but they didn't need to have anybody coming up and telling them how grateful they were to have been there, they were there because they wanted to be there."

Dalglish was interviewed for a programme to mark the 20th anniversary of the disaster, the first time he has spoken on camera about the events.

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Really Kenny. Should have been delayed :?:

Why :?:

The majority of Forest fans were in the stadium at 1:00pm.

It was drunken, ticketless Scousers who bombarded the ground at 2:50pm.

So in your opinion the police and ground stewards made absolutely no mistakes that day?

[mightyquark]

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Really Kenny. Should have been delayed :?:

Why :?:

The majority of Forest fans were in the stadium at 1:00pm.

It was drunken, ticketless Scousers who bombarded the ground at 2:50pm.[/QUOTE]

My allegance do not in anyway lie with Liverpool but what you are saying here is quite disgusting.How can you glow with pride that Forest fans were there on time? So what .People lost their lives in a tragedy where the authorities failed to do their job.The people paid to do their job on the day failed to do so and lost control and more than likely tried to cover the truth.
Most of the Daglish bit sounds familiar to me as I read his book a few years back so its not really breaking news.

[comred]

hmmm - here we go the old 'fans turned up late' allegation.

some facts for you.

In 1981 - spurs were allocated the leppings lane end. 38 supporters sustained crush injuries, broken legs, arms, ribs. Spurs were accussed of bringing ticketless fans.

In 1987 - during the coventry leeds semi final held at hillsbrough - the 12:15 kick off was delayed due to 'late arrivals' and problems at the leppings lane turnstiles.

in 1988 - syp requested all liverpool coaches arrive by midday for the 3pm kickoff. There were 3 soccer special trains - and South yorkshire police controlled the flow of fans into the stadium.

in 1989 - coaches/cars were delayed by road traffic accident and there was only one soccer special train which arrived at 2.20pm.

problems at the turnstile area were evident from as early as 2.30pm were 5000 fan were awaiting admittance. The problem was the maths.

24'000 liverpool fans had to enter the stadium via 23 turnstiles in one enclosed access point.

28'000 forest fans had to enter the stadium via 60 turnstiles that ran the entire length of two sides of the stadium.

The health and safety executive investigation into the disaster found:" the longest delays most likely to occur at the leppings lane turnstiles, particularly log delays would likely to be experienced by those with tickets for the leppings lane terrace. We would therefore expect larger crowds to form outside the turnstiles in the leppings lane area than any other part of the ground."

28% of the total turnstiless were allocated to admit half the crowd.

Furthermore - 24'000 fans via 23 turnstiles = an admittance ratio of over 1000 people per turnstile per hour.

The expectation on the forest turnstiles was as little as 400 per turnstile per hour.

The governments green guide on the safety at sport said turnstile admission rates should not exceed 600 persons per turnstile per hour. HSE show turnstile admissions only ever reached 660 persons per turnstile, meaning as they couldnt hit 1000 target - leaving an excess of fans awaiting admittance. Which increased as more and more fans arrived.

Lord justice taylor surmised that the maths of getting all liverpool fans in on time was elementry and the hse report surmised there wasn't a cat in hells chance unless there was a controlled entry of all fans from before 1pm.

And before you start on ticketless fans adding to the congestion.

The hse counted every fan from cctv footage, who went through the turnstiles, over the wall and through the gate and found the number who entered equalled the allocation.

Dont let the facts get in the way of 'the truth' :rolleyes:

[ho chi feen]

hmmm - he we go the old 'fans turned up late' allegation.

some facts for you.

In 1981 - spurs were allocated the leppings lane end. 38 supporters sustained crush injuries, broken legs, arms, ribs. Spurs were accussed of bringing ticketless fans.

In 1987 - during the coventry leeds semi final held at hillsbrough - the 12:15 kick off was delayed due to 'late arrivals' and problems at the leppings lane turnstiles.

in 1988 - syp requested all liverpool coaches arrive by midday for the 3pm kickoff. There were 3 soccer special trains - and South yorkshire police controlled the flow of fans into the stadium.

in 1989 - coaches/cars were delayed by road traffic accident and there was only one soccer special train which arrived at 2.20pm.

problems at the turnstile area were evident from as early as 2.30pm were 5000 fan were awaiting admittance. The problem was the maths.

24'000 liverpool fans had to enter the stadium via 23 turnstiles in one enclosed access point.

28'000 forest fans had to enter the stadium via 60 turnstiles that ran the entire length of two sides of the stadium.

The health and safety executive investigation into the disaster found:" the longest delays most likely to occur at the leppings lane turnstiles, particularly log delays would likely to be experienced by those with tickets for the leppings lane terrace. We would therefore expect larger crowds to form outside the turnstiles in the leppings lane area than any other part of the ground."

28% of the total turnstiless were allocated to admit half the crowd.

Furthermore - 24'000 fans via 23 turnstiles = an admittance ratio of over 1000 people per turnstile per hour.

The expectation on the forest turnstiles was as little as 400 per turnstile per hour.

The governments green guide on the safety at sport said turnstile admission rates should not exceed 600 persons per turnstile per hour. HSE show turnstile admissions only ever reached 660 persons per turnstile, meaning as they couldnt hit 1000 target - leaving an excess of fans awaiting admittance. Which increased as more and more fans arrived.

Lord justice taylor surmised that the maths of getting all liverpool fans in on time was elementry and the hse report surmised there wasn't a cat in hells chance unless there was a controlled entry of all fans from before 1pm.

And before you start on ticketless fans adding to the congestion.

The hse counted every fan from cctv footage, who went through the turnstiles, over the wall and through the gate and found the number who entered equalled the allocation.

Dont let the facts get in the way of 'the truth'

Why are you biting?

[comred]

do you think i should let allegation pass without comment?

whether he believes what he's sayin or is merely on a wind up - to allow such bollox to go unchallenged allows for myths to persist in the minds of others.

He's presented me with an opportunity to re-educate anyone reading with the actual facts.

[Atlanger]

do you think i should let allegation pass without comment?

whether he believes what he's sayin or is merely on a wind up - to allow such bollox to go unchallenged allows for myths to persist in the minds of others.

He's presented me with an opportunity to re-educate anyone reading with the actual facts.

Fair play. I for one am glad to know a little bit more about the facts. I stopped caring about any particular English team a long time ago, but it is good to know the truth regarding incidences such as this.

[STEVIEG]

Points scoring on a tragedy like this is pathetic really, whatever the rights and wrongs of what happened it was a terrible day and like the Heysel and the Bradford disasters of the same era i feel even numb thinking back to it, as i remember distinctly the days they all happened

It could have been any of us or our friends and family, just normal football fans

[Lapsy Pa]

So king kenny decides to break his silence after 20 years.

In fact the production company that conducted and recorded the only interview is owned by Kelly Cates, maiden name Dalglish and daughter if the man himself.

What are the odds of that?

[The Black Knight]

Stingy Liverpool have refused to donate their gate money to cash-strapped FA Cup opponents Luton.

The League One minnows are in administration.

And the hard-up Hatters could go bust if they do not find a buyer by 5pm on Monday.
Appeal snubbed

Luton asked the Kop giants to give up their share of tomorrow’s third-round gate, which is around £200,000.

But their appeal was snubbed.

Hatters boss Kevin Blackwell blasted: “They probably said: ‘We have to pay players £100,000 a week. You must be joking! Otherwise we will be like you!

“You just have to accept it. There are people in life who have got a Rolls Royce while some people have a Mini.

“We are Mini drivers. We tried to live like a Rolls Royce but that’s why we are where we are.”

Liverpool refused to comment last night but the Anfield outfit are also facing financial troubles.

Owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have been forced to scale down plans for a new £400million stadium.

And the American tycoons are trying to refinance a £220m loan they took out to buy the club.

Rubbish - why should Liverpool bail out Luton? They shouldn't. Luton's money issues are their own not Liverpool's.

[kevinbitzz]

So king kenny decides to break his silence after 20 years.

In fact the production company that conducted and recorded the only interview is owned by Kelly Cates, maiden name Dalglish and daughter if the man himself.

What are the odds of that?

:rolleyes:

4/6 on PP, but about 6 months ago i checked it and it was 25/1,

[SullysQuayboy]

Dalglish breaks disaster silence :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7921890.stm

Football legend Kenny Dalglish has broken his 20-year silence on the Hillsborough disaster, saying that the kick-off should have been delayed.

Ninety-six fans were crushed to death at Sheffield Wednesday's stadium as Liverpool took on Nottingham Forest in an FA Cup semi-final on 15 April 1989.

Dalglish, who was manager of Liverpool at the time, said it was something "nobody should forget".

He said police and the FA should have considered delaying the match.

The crush happened when Liverpool fans who had not got into the ground by the time the game kicked off were allowed into an already-crowded section of terracing at the Leppings Lane end of the ground.

Supporters at the front of the terrace were pushed against metal fencing, which at the time was a common feature of English football stadiums to prevent pitch invasions.

Many fans tried to escape by climbing over the fence or being pulled up by other supporters in to the upper tier. In addition to the 96 who died, several hundred were injured.

The game was stopped after six minutes.

Dalglish, who also played for Liverpool for many years, as well as Celtic and Scotland, said: "The easiest thing to do is just to put the kick-off back a bit. That's no problem for anybody.

"If the police are talking to the FA and the FA have got to make that call, there wouldn't have been any resentment or disagreement with the people in the dressing room, neither Brian Clough [the Nottingham Forest manager at the time] or ourselves certainly.

"It's something that everybody wished had never happened but I think it's also something that nobody should forget."

He added: "We made sure somebody with Liverpool connections was at every funeral and I think the families really respected that.

"The boys weren't obtrusive in any way, they sat back and let the families get on with the grieving but they were there, their presence was there, but they didn't need to have anybody coming up and telling them how grateful they were to have been there, they were there because they wanted to be there."

Dalglish was interviewed for a programme to mark the 20th anniversary of the disaster, the first time he has spoken on camera about the events.

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Really Kenny. Should have been delayed :?:

Why :?:

The majority of Forest fans were in the stadium at 1:00pm.

It was drunken, ticketless Scousers who bombarded the ground at 2:50pm.

The Taylor Report laid the blame for the tragedy firmly at the door of the police.The so called "drunken" fans were tearing down ad boards to use as stretchers to help the injured.Your hero mr clough and the sun made similar allegations,which were proved to be untrue.What would you expect from a rag and a pathethic old drunkard.

[3pointplay]

The Taylor Report laid the blame for the tragedy firmly at the door of the police.The so called "drunken" fans were tearing down ad boards to use as stretchers to help the injured.Your hero mr clough and the sun made similar allegations,which were proved to be untrue.What would you expect from a rag and a pathethic old drunkard.

Great point.

[ebenezer]

This stuff writes itself :

Scum (http://www.viddler.com/explore/scoopex/videos/13)

[st finnbar]

liverpool fans in disgrace shocker:roll:

[ebenezer]

Probably me. :lol!:

[st finnbar]

Probably me. :lol!:

he s a fucked, he s ebenezer fucked:D

[ho chi feen]

This stuff writes itself :

Scum (http://www.viddler.com/explore/scoopex/videos/13)

Jesus H...

[3pointplay]

This stuff writes itself :

Scum (http://www.viddler.com/explore/scoopex/videos/13)

Oh dear you really are such a sad bitter little man it's so funny.