Mike Tyson vs Muhammad Ali - the definitive documentary

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interesting...

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wunhunglo? frazier every time for you?

[POL]

Joe Louis would have whipped Ali

[STEVIEG]

Hatton would have destroyed both

So would Steve Collins

[3pointplay]

Couple of white sheets and burning crosses would have had both of them running.
















































Taxi.

[DogTheLangerHunter]

Couple of white sheets and burning crosses would have had both of them running.












































Taxi.


Racist/10

[wunhunglo]

wunhunglo? frazier every time for you?

Every time for what ??

[Aphex]

Every time for what ??

frazier V tyson in the ring

frazier V tyson without the gloves in an alley

now that would be box office...

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

Jack Dempsey would have schooled them all.

[VzN]

Marciano. Enough said.

[Lee Bushwacker]

:D
Ali was simply the best!!! :lol:

[wunhunglo]

tyson had maybe 2 years when he was untouchable the greatest heavyweight ever,

If anyone ever asks you do you know anything about boxing. Just say "No Sir"

[Langer Dan]

Tyson was a beast when he started out but his later career was a joke, pure sideshow.He's largely responsible for heavyweight boxing being the the joke it is today, he doesnt deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Ali.

[Langer Dan]

Tyson was all about power ,Ali had it all.
Pound for pound a far superior fighter.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Joe Louis would have kicked Ali's ass.

[Kimeartimmyboy]

If anyone ever asks you do you know anything about boxing. Just say "No Sir"

take it from me , its a "yes sir"

[mightyquark]

As Angelo Dundee said "We never saw Ali at his best"..
3 years right in his prime were taken away from him.

[Professor Piehead]

Any serious boxing fans or someone whos at least been in a boxing ring want to give their opinions on how or why Ali would beat Tyson in his prime?

If you'd watched any of Ali's fights, you'd know why, Ali was a fighter, Tyson was a boxer.

Here la, I'd agree with this..........

Ali vs Tyson

'Obviously in this sort of hypothetical matchup we’ll assume that both fighters are in their prime and enter the ring without injury or distraction. The tale of the tape reveals that Muhammad Ali–rightfully nicknamed “The Greatest”–stands 6′3″, would weigh in somewhere in the low 200’s and has a 80″ reach. Tyson, meanwhile, enters the ring at 5′ 10″, weighing around 218 and with a 71″ reach gives up a huge 9″ advantage to his opponent.

The most significant question about Ali relative to this matchup would be his ability to handle Tyson’s power. Based on his career resume, I’m of the opinion that he would be able to take Tyson’s best shots with relative ease. I often like to tell people that Ali fought Mike Tyson twice–only his name was Sonny Liston. Ali faced no shortage of powerful opponents in addition to the hard hitting Liston–George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Jerry Quarey and the man considered by most boxing cognoscenti as the single hardest puncher in the history of boxing, Earnie Shavers. Tyson’s power wouldn’t faze Ali one bit–he’d faced far more formidable opponents and, more importantly, hard hitters with more skills than Tyson.

Not only was Ali no stranger to power punchers, he could take an insane amount of punishment. The thing that’s always blown me away about Ali’s career is that fact that he was never knocked out. He was only stopped inside the distance once, and that was a stoppage against Larry Holmes in a fight he never should have taken. In other words, the suggestion that Tyson would even have a “puncher’s chance” in this matchup is hard to fathom based on the inability of a veritable “who’s who” of boxing history to KO Ali. Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Shavers, Norton, etc. couldn’t do it. Norton broke Ali’s jaw and still didn’t get a stoppage victory. I’d have a hard time thinking that Tyson could do what these legends couldn’t.

The other quality typically ascribed to Tyson is his ability to intimidate his opponent–guys like Michael Spinks and Lou Savarese appeared to be sapped of their will before the bell even rang. That certainly wouldn’t happen against Ali, a man who conducted himself bravely and resolutely in the ring against the best in the business and on the biggest stage in sports. Furthermore, Ali never lacked for confidence and the notion that he’d be intimidated by Tyson’s scowl is downright laughable. To the contrary, Ali was at his best in the biggest fights–it was his second tier opponents (like Norton and Leon Spinks) that often gave him trouble. In a mega-fight like Tyson/Ali, he’d be at his best.

On the other side of the equation, Ali had the tools to dominate his brawling opponent. His handspeed, defensive ability and movement was insane for a heavyweight. More significantly, there’s the 9″ reach advantage–while not as profound as the 13″ advantage that Lennox Lewis had in his clinical destruction of Tyson it would be much of the same. Lewis, while a solid fighter, is definitely no Ali and his 9″ advantage over Tyson would allow him to dance around the smaller man and pick him apart with his jab.

Then there’s the question of Tyson’s mental toughness. While he demonstrated a lot of heart and courage in taking the beating given to him by Lennox Lewis, his penchant for in-ring “meltdowns” is well documented. Tactically, he’d be no match for “The Greatest”–Tyson knew one way to fight–moving forward and looking for a knockout. Ali, under the tutledge of the great Angelo Dundee, was masterful at tailoring his gameplan for individual fighters. Dundee–like Lewis’ trainer Emmanuel Steward years later–would easily find weaknesses in Tyson’s technique and Ali would have no problem exploiting it.

I was initially going to say that if Ali and Tyson fought 100 times, Ali would win 99 of them. Realistically, however, a focused, in-shape Ali would beat Tyson 100 out of 100. Tyson isn’t a well rounded enough fighter to beat Ali like Joe Frazier did in their first matchup. Ali’s superior reach, mental toughness, speed and ability to take a punch would be too much for “Iron Mike”. It would be similar to the Lennox Lewis/Tyson fight only more so. Ali wins by KO/TKO somewhere around the tenth round.'

[keanos dog]

i'd agree with the above. i know tyson wasn't at his best, but holyfield shattered the myth of mike tyson. ali would have killed him.

[Professor Piehead]

i'd agree with the above. i know tyson wasn't at his best, but holyfield shattered the myth of mike tyson. ali would have killed him.

Pehaps the other thing that swings it is that Ali is a man of principle and courage, where as Tyson is a psychopathic scumbag rapist, all in all, Tyson ain't fit to hold Ali's jockstrap.

[keanos dog]

Pehaps the other thing that swings it is that Ali is a man of principle and courage, where as Tyson is a psychopathic scumbag rapist, all in all, Tyson ain't fit to hold Ali's jockstrap.

seriously, it's not even a viable question. Ali beat men like frazer and foreman, who also would have beat tyson.

tyson lost to buster douglas FFS.

[wunhunglo]

,Ali had it all.


He didn't have a big punch. Anyone who thinks he had knows very little about the man.

[keanos dog]

He didn't have a big punch. Anyone who thinks he had knows very little about the man.

i think george foreman would disagree



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[Waddit*]

If say,they meet at their respective peaks then it's a pick'em fight. Tyson has a great chance in the first five but after this he's a busted flush against someone like Ali. At his peak Tyson was the most exciting heavyweight ever. His punch was not so powerful but it was the speed and accuracy of delivery that brought him so many konock-outs. Tyson was a complete fighter with all the tools but he had to be trained. He wasn't a natural boxer. D'Amato and Rooney schooled him in the use of his jab to create openings though his finishing was instinctive. His defence in his early days was immense and he was difficult to hit cleanly. Also in my opinion Tyson thrashes Fraiser every time. Tyson was a superior version of Fraiser. I'd also disagree with the statement that Tyson is the reason for the mess of the heavyweight division at the moment. If anything the fighters that directly preceded him, the likes of Thomas,Berbick, Dokes et al; all who liked cocaine a tad too much, are far responsible for making a joke of boxings marquee division.

[keanos dog]

If say,they meet at their respective peaks then it's a pick'em fight. Tyson has a great chance in the first five but after this he's a busted flush against someone like Ali. At his peak Tyson was the most exciting heavyweight ever. His punch was not so powerful but it was the speed and accuracy of delivery that brought him so many konock-outs. Tyson was a complete fighter with all the tools but he had to be trained. He wasn't a natural boxer. D'Amato and Rooney schooled him in the use of his jab to create openings though his finishing was instinctive. His defence in his early days was immense and he was difficult to hit cleanly. Also in my opinion Tyson thrashes Fraiser every time. Tyson was a superior version of Fraiser. I'd also disagree with the statement that Tyson is the reason for the mess of the heavyweight division at the moment. If anything the fighters that directly preceded him, the likes of Thomas,Berbick, Dokes et al; all who liked cocaine a tad too much, are far responsible for making a joke of boxings marquee division.


ali had a nine inch reach advantage. at his peak tyson would have been a simple fight for him. he'd have simply stood off him, picked his shots, drove tyson crazy, waited for tyson to lose it and knocked him out.

[POL]

ali had a nine inch reach advantage. at his peak tyson would have been a simple fight for him. he'd have simply stood off him, picked his shots, drove tyson crazy, waited for tyson to lose it and knocked him out.
yeah Trigger, just like he kept Joe Frazier and a waster like Leon Spinks at bay

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you know nothing about anything
2:34 into the last round, pity Frazier didn't kill him

[keanos dog]

yeah Trigger, just like he kept Joe Frazier and a waster like Leon Spinks at bay

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you know nothing about anything
2:34 into the last round, pity Frazier didn't kill him

read the post again numbnuts. "ali in his prime". 1978 was far from his prime.and in the rematch ali, 36 years young, an old man in boxing terms regained the title.

and ali beat frazer twice. with one to joe. case closed. i suggest you use google next time before you accuse me of knowing nothing.

[keanos dog]

and one more thing POLPOT. tell me one great fight tyson had where he was tested to his very limits, got in the trenches so to speak, like ali and frazer did, 3 times, and tyson came out on top.

[POL]

What are you prattling on about now Trigger, The point is that Tyson was a better fighter than Frazer, in his prime he never had to dig deep, maybe he was too good eh? Tyson was a far better puincher than Frazer and a 20 times more intelligent in the ring than that mullocker Foreman. Not to talk of Ali's darkside concerning his racist taunting of men like Frazer and cleveland Williams. You are just one of these morons that buy into the Ali hype machine and myth, just like the ManYoo brigade you are part of, Tyson of the 86/87 vintage would have given Ali something serious to think about

[Professor Piehead]

What are you prattling on about now Trigger, The point is that Tyson was a better fighter than Frazer, in his prime he never had to dig deep, maybe he was too good eh? Tyson was a far better puincher than Frazer and a 20 times more intelligent in the ring than that mullocker Foreman. Not to talk of Ali's darkside concerning his racist taunting of men like Frazer and cleveland Williams. You are just one of these morons that buy into the Ali hype machine and myth, just like the ManYoo brigade you are part of, Tyson of the 86/87 vintage would have given Ali something serious to think about

True, but Ali would still have beaten him, IMO.

[keanos dog]

What are you prattling on about now Trigger, The point is that Tyson was a better fighter than Frazer, in his prime he never had to dig deep, maybe he was too good eh? Tyson was a far better puincher than Frazer and a 20 times more intelligent in the ring than that mullocker Foreman. Not to talk of Ali's darkside concerning his racist taunting of men like Frazer and cleveland Williams. You are just one of these morons that buy into the Ali hype machine and myth, just like the ManYoo brigade you are part of, Tyson of the 86/87 vintage would have given Ali something serious to think about

ali hype?? seriosly POL, Get a fucking grip. ali was reality. tyson was hype. any half decent fighter who stood up to him beat him, (and a few poor ones too) and that's a fact.you seriously trying to tell me frazer and foreman would of been itimidated by that scowl? pull the other one.


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[POL]

anyone who thinks Tyson was just a puncher clearly hasn't a clue about professional boxing in 1986-1987

[keanos dog]

anyone who thinks Tyson was just a puncher clearly hasn't a clue about professional boxing in 1986-1987

never said he was just a puncher, had speed as well, and terrific head movement. he may have beaten frazer or foreman, but they wouldn't have been intimitated by him like most, bruno and michael spinks to name two.

but my original point abut ali still stands. holyfield frustrated tyson so much he bit his ear off. ali (in his prime)would have copped tyson straight away,frustrated him, and waited until he snapped, and then did the job

[POL]

never said he was just a puncher, had speed as well, and terrific head movement. he may have beaten frazer or foreman, but they wouldn't have been intimitated by him like most, bruno and michael spinks to name two.

but my original point abut ali still stands. holyfield frustrated tyson so much he bit his ear off. ali (in his prime)would have copped tyson straight away,frustrated him, and waited until he snapped, and then did the jobTyson was finished as a fighter at 24 FFS, I'm taking about Tyson in his prime at 21-22, not the ear munching savage of a former self he was in 99, get with the programme Trigger

[keanos dog]

Tyson was finished as a fighter at 24 FFS, I'm taking about Tyson in his prime at 21-22, not the ear munching savage of a former self he was in 99, get with the programme Trigger

yes, and you don't think, that if he had met his match in his prime (as ali would have been and more) he wouldn't have reacted the same way?


DO I HAVE TO S P E L L EVERYTHING OUT FOR YOU?

[POL]

well we are hardly going comparing Fighters against each other who were both 10 years past their prime, are we Einstein???? :lol!: WAKEY WAKEY!

[keanos dog]

well we are hardly going comparing Fighters against each other who were both 10 years past their prime, are we Einstein???? :lol!: WAKEY WAKEY!

can someone please translate that for me? my gobbledegook dictionary is missing.

[wunhunglo]

i think george foreman would disagree


Don't be kidding yourself. Foreman was practically exhausted at that stage. He wasn't knocked down persae. He was falling for about five seconds completely off balance. The punches did put him down ,yes.....but Ali himself said he never had a big punch.

That is all.