The official "Rio is sh*te" thread

[KolaKubes]

Despite being perennially involved in defences with fine records for goals conceded for club and country and that both seem to collapse defensively without him.

Rio is sh*te.

Lamps' hero Rod Liddle's line from the weekend about how he'd prefer Jack Charlton?! :D

[Lamps]

Classic Kola Pubes.

I'll counter with
If Rio was playing they would have let in 5.

[Rebelred]

If they had one decent goalkeeper they'd be on their way to Austria.

[Lamps]

If they had one decent goalkeeper they'd be on their way to Austria.

Enough sensible talk from you.

Arnie above is looking for attention

[KolaKubes]

Classic Kola Pubes.

I'll counter with
If Rio was playing they would have let in 5.

What do you think you're in, Quantum Leap?

Teams with Rio in them tend to be both successful and defensively sound.

[RonnyB]

I'm with Kola on this one. Rio wouldnt exactly be my favourite player in the world but barring a spell in the autumn of '05, United have been excellent at the back with him in the side & England have never conceded that much either.

On England's defence, they were without the 5 guys who were 1st choice at the start of the campaign in Robinson, Neville, Rio, Terry & Cole. The bookies decided to ignore this & had Croatia at 7/1 to win last night.

[Lamps]

What do you think you're in, Quantum Leap?

Teams with Rio in them tend to be both successful and defensively sound.

Just like John Terry who you say is shit.

Back to sleep lad.

[Lamps]

I'm with Kola on this one. Rio wouldnt exactly be my favourite player in the world but barring a spell in the autumn of '05, United have been excellent at the back with him in the side & England have never conceded that much either.

On England's defence, they were without the 5 guys who were 1st choice at the start of the campaign in Robinson, Neville, Rio, Terry & Cole. The bookies decided to ignore this & had Croatia at 7/1 to win last night.

So basically Ronny their whole defence was out, but Pubes is claiming it was cos Rio was out.

[KolaKubes]

I'm with Kola on this one. Rio wouldnt exactly be my favourite player in the world but barring a spell in the autumn of '05, United have been excellent at the back with him in the side & England have never conceded that much either.

On England's defence, they were without the 5 guys who were 1st choice at the start of the campaign in Robinson, Neville, Rio, Terry & Cole. The bookies decided to ignore this & had Croatia at 7/1 to win last night.

Rio's drug ban was the secret to the "invincibles" winning the league that season.

[Lamps]

Teams with Rio in them tend to be both successful

List out what Rio has won there like a good lad.

By my reckoning he's almost 30 and has a couple of titles and a league cup?

Off with you and produce this list.

[Rebelred]

Enough sensible talk from you.

Arnie above is looking for attention

:)

In that case, I reckon they should have started Wes Brown.

[Sound]

What do you think you're in, Quantum Leap?

Teams with Rio in them tend to be both successful and defensively sound.

Joe Stalin would be fond of this revisionism.

[MonTheHoops]

That's some leap of faith there.

[MonTheHoops]

I repeat, that's some leap of faith.

[xvis]

great ball through to tevez in the first half today.

[MonTheHoops]

Yeah. Maybe could be tried in midfield instead of Hargreaves.

[STEVIEG]

Yeah. Maybe could be tried in midfield instead of Hargreaves.

Was it Rio's defending that cost United the goal, i missed the game?

He has been immense for United these last few years

While i don't understand the purpose of this thread as it came after an Engerlund game, i'm not sure why it was bumped today

[MonTheHoops]

Was it Rio's defending that cost United the goal, i missed the game?

He has been immense for United these last few years

While i don't understand the purpose of this thread as it came after an Engerlund game, i'm not sure why it was bumped today

No it was Pique.

The suggestion at the start of the thread was that he is "perennially involved in defences with fine records for goals conceded for club and country and that both seem to collapse defensively without him."

England lost the other night the same way United lost today. They were outplayed.

[STEVIEG]

No it was Pique.

The suggestion at the start of the thread was that he is "perennially involved in defences with fine records for goals conceded for club and country and that both seem to collapse defensively without him."

England lost the other night the same way United lost today. They were outplayed.


He generally is but i feel the thread was pointless so fair enough


United were outplayed?


I must watch the game myself properly later before i give judgement but I was under the impression that it was mediocrity further up the field that cost them

[xvis]

No it was Pique.

The suggestion at the start of the thread was that he is "perennially involved in defences with fine records for goals conceded for club and country and that both seem to collapse defensively without him."

England lost the other night the same way United lost today. They were outplayed.


so United only conceded one goal today, and that at a blunder by Pique.

..and this thread needs bumping?

Only Liverpool have conceded less than United in the league, and they've played a game less.

[MonTheHoops]

He generally is but i feel the thread was pointless so fair enough


United were outplayed?


I must watch the game myself properly later before i give judgement but I was under the impression that it was mediocrity further up the field that cost them

Campo was brilliant altogether.

[MonTheHoops]

so United only conceded one goal today, and that at a blunder by Pique.

..and this thread needs bumping?

Only Liverpool have conceded less than United in the league, and they've played a game less.

This thread needs bumping every bit a much as this thread was needed in the first place.

[xvis]

He generally is but i feel the thread was pointless so fair enough


United were outplayed?


I must watch the game myself properly later before i give judgement but I was under the impression that it was mediocrity further up the field that cost them


Mediocrity right across the middle four. ..awful.

Hargreaves was the pick of the middle and he was poor.



Rio played well again.

[KolaKubes]

No it was Pique.

The suggestion at the start of the thread was that he is "perennially involved in defences with fine records for goals conceded for club and country and that both seem to collapse defensively without him."

England lost the other night the same way United lost today. They were outplayed.

As off their own pace as Utd were today, that is a patently ridiculous comment.

And if Ronaldo was diving around like Campo was today, you'd have your knickers in an awful twist.

[MonTheHoops]

As off their own pace as Utd were today, that is a patently ridiculous comment.

And if Ronaldo was diving around like Campo was today, you'd have your knickers in an awful twist.

Bolton's midfield kept them quiet all day. Didnt see anything from Campo that wasn't seen from the opposition today.

[KolaKubes]

Bolton's midfield kept them quiet all day. Didnt see anything from Campo that wasn't seen from the opposition today.

Your version of "outplayed" is curious.

Do you mean humping the ball on top of the full backs and trying to win free kicks?

Mind, I can understand that sort of stuff would tick all the boxes for a Celtic fan.

[Sound]

Your version of "outplayed" is curious.

Do you mean humping the ball on top of the full backs and trying to win free kicks?

Mind, I can understand that sort of stuff would tick all the boxes for a Celtic fan.

Some things never change in here.

[MonTheHoops]

Your version of "outplayed" is curious.

Do you mean humping the ball on top of the full backs and trying to win free kicks?

Mind, I can understand that sort of stuff would tick all the boxes for a Celtic fan.

Miaow hen.

Your midfield was atrocious and if they were humping from the back to the front continually then how come a midfielder got man of the match?

If curiosity is your bag, then riddle me this: What defences "seem to collapse defensively without him."

[KolaKubes]

Miaow hen.

Your midfield was atrocious and if they were humping from the back to the front continually then how come a midfielder got man of the match?

If curiosity is your bag, then riddle me this: What defences "seem to collapse defensively without him."

"Miaow hen"?

The standards of psychological gripping are dropping.

So your contention is that, with Campo at its heart, the Bolton midfield passed Utd to death?

And you're bumping this thread because a 20 year old centre half made an error? This disproving the theory in one fell swoop that Rio has consistently featured in very good defences?

Fuck it, you're wasted on here, you should be taking over from Paxman grilling politicians.

[MonTheHoops]

Kola you're a colourful lad and I get no end of enjoyment watching you lose the rag on here. No hard feelings, it's all in the name of a good WUM. That reminds me, where's that Celtic Scum thread.

[xvis]

If curiosity is your bag, then riddle me this: What defences "seem to collapse defensively without him."

United's for one. ..there is merit in it.

..mid-January season 2003-04, Arsenal are unbeaten but still second best in the league table, ..too many draws. (A bit like the scousers this year. unbeaten but not the best!)

Ferdinand limps off against Wolves and United go on to concede a sloppy goal due to Brown, and Rio is banned thereafter,. ..United go on to concede 2, 3, 3 and 2 goals in the next four games, and don't keep a clean sheet again until the end of March. The league is over soon after.


Last season, Ferdinand is injured for both Milan games, ..the defence becomes a shambles.


United are rubbish defensively in season 2001-02, finishing 3rd. Rio signs, and United go on to win the league with the best defensive record. FACT!


In fact, in Rio's three full season's unaffected by bans, United have been Champions twice and runners-up once. ..not too shabby.


..as well as taking Leeds to the CL semi's.


..plus as stated, check out England the other night witout Rio! ..defensive comedy.

[MonTheHoops]

xvis,

I'm not going to get into a debate with you about it ok. I actually rate him, I just think when a player is absent and a team puts in a poor performance people tend to romanticise a bit too much on the guys missing often ignoring the fact that they have played just as poorly themselves in times gone by. FACT.

[xvis]

xvis,

I'm not going to get into a debate with you about it ok. I actually rate him, I just think when a player is absent and a team puts in a poor performance people tend to romanticise a bit too much on the guys missing often ignoring the fact that they have played just as poorly themselves in times gone by. FACT.


It's the on-going debate of whether Ferdinand is a good defender or a flash so-and so.

A lot of people just see the haircut and the clothes and jump to opinions, ..the guys a hell of a player.

United have been getting a pretty consistent level of performance from Rio for a good few years now.

[MonTheHoops]

It's the on-going debate of whether Ferdinand is a good defender or a flash so-and so.

A lot of people just see the haircut and the clothes and jump to opinions, ..the guys a hell of a player.

United have been getting a pretty consistent level of performance from Rio for a good few years now.


I haven't disagreed.

I don't think he'd have made that much of a difference the other night against Croatia. He could have carried the ball out of defense 100 times and still ended up on a losing side. If only 2 or 3 players are putting in a decent shift they'll more often than not end up on a losing side. As you saw against Bolton the other day.

Croatia's 1st and 3rd for example. There isn't a defender in the world that could have prevented them.

[STEVIEG]

Croatia's 1st and 3rd for example. There isn't a defender in the world that could have prevented them.

True

There is a goalkeeper though


























But he's probably not English!

[MonTheHoops]

True

There is a goalkeeper though


Yup.

But then you can see the best in the business have off days too.

Schmeichel v Southampton.

Dida v Leeds.

Seaman v Germany.

Kahn v Real Madrid.

[STEVIEG]

Yup.

But then you can see the best in the business have off days too.

Schmeichel v Southampton.

Dida v Leeds.

Seaman v Germany.

Kahn v Real Madrid.


Yes

I don't envy their jobs a striker can mis-hit all day and get 2 goals and be a hero


Schmeichel against Southampton i don't remember as Taibi is on my mind (tanx!)

Schmeichel was being written off by many including Eamon Dunphy, early in the treble season after a howler against Bayern away

[xvis]

I haven't disagreed.

I don't think he'd have made that much of a difference the other night against Croatia. He could have carried the ball out of defense 100 times and still ended up on a losing side. If only 2 or 3 players are putting in a decent shift they'll more often than not end up on a losing side. As you saw against Bolton the other day.

Croatia's 1st and 3rd for example. There isn't a defender in the world that could have prevented them.

As you say, it's all debatable, England were shocking all over the pitch. There problems were further up the pitch, ..the space granted to Croatia by backing off for the 1st and 3rd goals were a joke. Ferdinand would have been the deeper centrehalf, and would have been busy.

[MonTheHoops]

Yes

I don't envy their jobs a striker can mis-hit all day and get 2 goals and be a hero


Schmeichel against Southampton i don't remember as Taibi is on my mind (tanx!)

Schmeichel was being written off by many including Eamon Dunphy, early in the treble season after a howler against Bayern away

6-3 if I recall correctly. Pretty sure he left in 5 soon before that too.


"their problems were further up the pitch"

Like I said, he could have carried ti out 100 times but it would have been like playing it off a wall.

[xvis]

It was interesting to note that Totti missed his drug test early in the season in a similar case to Ferdinands but the case was dropped by the Italien IOC crowd.


...whats more important women or shopping?

[STEVIEG]

It was interesting to note that Totti missed his drug test early in the season in a similar case to Ferdinands but the case was dropped by the Italien IOC crowd.



Loads of similar cases with Juve and the like in the late 90's and early part of this decade

[xvis]

Loads of similar cases with Juve and the like in the late 90's and early part of this decade

The Brits are looking to change the rules to get thar runner Ohuruogu back into the Olympics, despite clearly missing 3 tests. ...different rules for different folks.


There can be no doubt about it.

David Dein was at work.


That season was the first season of new doping procedures in the PL, United were shafted.

[MonTheHoops]

Whether or not Dein's involvment was of any major influence, Ferdinand should was punished and rightly so. Every player should suffer the same fate, rahter than looking to go lenient on them simply because of precedents.

[STEVIEG]

The Brits are looking to change the rules to get thar runner Ohuruogu back into the Olympics, despite clearly missing 3 tests. ...different rules for different folks.


There can be no doubt about it.

David Dein was at work.


That season was the first season of new doping procedures in the PL, United were shafted.

Yup

The Italian situation would have affected united too

And let's not forget

Milan should not have been in Europe last year

could have been 3 times, but i suppose it could have easily been 6 too!!!!!!!!

[xvis]

Loads of similar cases with Juve and the like in the late 90's and early part of this decade


Well the Juve stuff is a lot more sinister, ..the bulking up of many players etc.


Totti missed the test, ..he turned up and did it later...his wife having a child or something. But rules are rules.

Rio rings up a couple of hours later to see if the test can be done then, ..turns up the next morning, does all the hair samples etc. to completely clear himself of any sporting or recreational drugs and gets shafted for 8 months.

The Italiens went a bit flexible with Totti.

With the new procedures in place that season, I blame United's training organisation as much as Ferdinand.

[STEVIEG]

Rio rings up a couple of hours later to see if the test can be done then, turns up the next morning, does all the hair samples etc. to completely clear himself of any sporting or recreational drugs and gets shafted for 8 months.


The Man City precedent (sp) (as with the Gerrard and Mellor precedent last year in the Amserdam tournament) should have been taken into account

As stupid as Rio was (no denying he was)

Then again Boro players admitted they wanted to injure Ronaldo last year yet they didn't get punished a la Keane

Different rules but the FA and United have never seen eye to eye that much

For David Dein substitute scouse fan Barwick

[KolaKubes]

I've to say, the question of whether it's just red-tinted specs does suggest itself but I thought the whole Ferdinand ban was an horrific case of double standards considering what happened to the Man City player just previous.

That now plus Rooney's ban last year when Gerrard and one other (?) escaped bans following getting red cards in the Amsterdam tournament.

People wonder why Utd fans are so entrenched in the "them against us" mentality.

Anyway, Rio's main thing is the guy is quick and phenomenal in one on one situations. It allows the possibility of playing a much higher defensive line and, in Utd's case, means that we can maintain pressure further into the opponents' half.

In fairness, Arsenal's defence benefits their team similarly.

[STEVIEG]

In fairness, Arsenal's defence benefits their team similarly.

Watching Gallas the other day and Toure too recently it's amazing how many good runs these guys are making forward

Gallas is defo justfying his number

I'd say he is gutted he left Chelsea now:)

PS-This is bumslapping going wrong!

[KolaKubes]

Watching Gallas the other day and Toure too recently it's amazing how many good runs these guys are making forward

Gallas is defo justfying his number

I'd say he is gutted he left Chelsea now:)

PS-This is bumslapping going wrong!

Oh, I thought Arsenal did a fantastic piece of business getting rid of Cole in favour of Gallas.

But Senderos is f*cking shite. ;)

[Lee Bushwacker]

The Man City precedent (sp) (as with the Gerrard and Mellor precedent last year in the Amserdam tournament) should have been taken into account

As stupid as Rio was (no denying he was)

Then again Boro players admitted they wanted to injure Ronaldo last year yet they didn't get punished a la Keane

Different rules but the FA and United have never seen eye to eye that much

For David Dein substitute scouse fan Barwick
Exactly!!!

[doppellanger]

United's for one. ..there is merit in it.

..mid-January season 2003-04, Arsenal are unbeaten but still second best in the league table, ..too many draws. (A bit like the scousers this year. unbeaten but not the best!)

Ferdinand limps off against Wolves and United go on to concede a sloppy goal due to Brown, and Rio is banned thereafter,. ..United go on to concede 2, 3, 3 and 2 goals in the next four games, and don't keep a clean sheet again until the end of March. The league is over soon after.


Last season, Ferdinand is injured for both Milan games, ..the defence becomes a shambles.


United are rubbish defensively in season 2001-02, finishing 3rd. Rio signs, and United go on to win the league with the best defensive record. FACT!


In fact, in Rio's three full season's unaffected by bans, United have been Champions twice and runners-up once. ..not too shabby.


..as well as taking Leeds to the CL semi's.


..plus as stated, check out England the other night witout Rio! ..defensive comedy.

England v Sweden, World Cup 2006, after Sven sends on Campbell for Ferdinand.

90th minute, England leading 2-1.

Throw in bounces over Terry, Campbell flails at it and misses, Ashley Cole runs for the goal line instead of attacking the ball and Larsen taps it in. Result.

[RonnyB]

Rio has been excellent for United over all but he'd want to be considering they offered a huge outlay on him & paid the majority of it.

I still think though Rio has a tendancy to shoot himself in the foot at times. He'd be (rightly in my eyes) club captain now if it wasnt for his delay in signing a new deal. Keane's departure wasnt long after Rio finally made up his mind but I'm sure Alex was still fairly pissed with him for stalling & looking for huge money when he was idle for 8 months & paid top dollar.

[Lamps]

England v Sweden, World Cup 2006, after Sven sends on Campbell for Ferdinand.

90th minute, England leading 2-1.

Throw in bounces over Terry, Campbell flails at it and misses, Ashley Cole runs for the goal line instead of attacking the ball and Larsen taps it in. Result.

This is getting like Roy Keane singlehandedly.

[POL]

This is getting like Roy Keane singlehandedly.
I wonder how long it will be untill some bumslapper wheels out the old "that night in Turin" line

[Lamps]

For David Dein substitute scouse fan Barwick

FFS

[STEVIEG]

FFS

Big player in Liverpool "justifiably" getting the rules changed for them in the 2006 Champions League

Big Liverpool fan (admitted)

[STEVIEG]

He'd be (rightly in my eyes) club captain now if it wasnt for his delay in signing a new deal.

Thought there was way too much made of that myself


Keane also delayed at one stage (though the circumstances were different)

[Lamps]

Big player in Liverpool "justifiably" getting the rules changed for them in the 2006 Champions League

Big Liverpool fan (admitted)

Do you really think the FA have it in for United?

[STEVIEG]

Do you really think the FA have it in for United?

They have had different rules for United during the years

The fact that Dein was there didn't help

The fact that Gill is more involved should help but the facts (which i've repeated a million times) can't be denied

It hasn't stopped United winning 9 league titles in the modern era though, the siege mentality has helped

[Lamps]

They have had different rules for United during the years

The fact that Dein was there didn't help

The fact that Gill is more involved should help but the facts (which i've repeated a million times) can't be denied

It hasn't stopped United winning 9 league titles in the modern era though, the siege mentality has helped

Tell me where they were unjustly treated then?

[RonnyB]

Do you really think the FA have it in for United?

Theres been some evidence Lamps. When you saw what Rio got for missing a test in comparison to a Man City player guilty of the same offence it makes you wonder.

I guess at times though it evens itself out.

[STEVIEG]

Tell me where they were unjustly treated then?

I'm out the gap have work to do

Go back in this thread and go and look at the other times i've talked about this

Cantona suspension

Keane 2nd suspension (after serving time for a bad foul already)
Boro talked about intent to foul Ronaldo last season and got let off

Rio (V Man City precenent)

Scholes and Rooney (V Gerard and Mellor)

Fa wanting united to boost England world Cup bid yet hanging them out to dry in the media once the FA Cup Pull out came (Utd have been a big factor in this comp returning to its more prestigious rep and have been the biggest crowd puller as usual in it lately)

ETC ETC ETC

I know you are bored and doubtless pissed off that United are already qualified but i haven't really got time for this today sorry

[Lamps]

Theres been some evidence Lamps. When you saw what Rio got for missing a test in comparison to a Man City player guilty of the same offence it makes you wonder.

I guess at times though it evens itself out.

The Man City player getting off was wrong.
I'll have to look up the circumstances though.

The Rooney Amsterdam thing, was as far as I remember due to the ref submitting his report, this was discretionary( i think ) in previous tournaments. That was hardly the FA's fault, once the wheels were put in motion they had to act. If they let Rooney off it would have been worse.

I'm open to correction on that but that was my take on it at the time.

[Lamps]

I'm out the gap have work to do

Go back in this thread and go and look at the other times i've talked about this

Cantona suspension

Keane 2nd suspension (after serving time for a bad foul already)
Boro talked about intent to foul Ronaldo last season and got let off

Rio (V Man City precenent)

Scholes and Rooney (V Gerard and Mellor)

Fa wanting united to boost England world Cup bid yet hanging them out to dry in the media once the FA Cup Pull out came (Utd have been a big factor in this comp returning to its more prestigious rep and have been the biggest crowd puller as usual in it lately)

ETC ETC ETC

I know you are bored and doubtless pissed off that United are already qualified but i haven't really got time for this today sorry

Working from memory here:

Keane served his suspension.
He then months later talked about going out to maim, then described in gory detail how he went about it. He brought the game into disrepute. Wasn't this why he got suspended?

Cantona attacked someone in the crowd. Whats the problem?

Rooney Amsterdam, I've given the reason. The process was decided upon before the tournament.

United could have put a youth team in the Cup or not gone. Simple as.

What are ETC ETC ETC

List them as i think you are running out of them.

[STEVIEG]

Working from memory here:

Keane served his suspension.
He then months later talked about going out to maim, then described in gory detail how he went about it. He brought the game into disrepute. Wasn't this why he got suspended?

Cantona attacked someone in the crowd. Whats the problem?

Rooney Amsterdam, I've given the reason. The process was decided upon before the tournament.

United could have put a youth team in the Cup or not gone. Simple as.

What are ETC ETC ETC

List them as i think you are running out of them.

about five good reason already

The Boro players did more or less the same as Keane last year but it was IGNORED

Now i have work to do

I'll be back about 4pm

[RonnyB]

The Man City player getting off was wrong.
I'll have to look up the circumstances though.

The Rooney Amsterdam thing, was as far as I remember due to the ref submitting his report, this was discretionary( i think ) in previous tournaments. That was hardly the FA's fault, once the wheels were put in motion they had to act. If they let Rooney off it would have been worse.

I'm open to correction on that but that was my take on it at the time.

You're right on the Rooney thing. However it doesnt disguise the fact the Rooney sending off in the 1st place was an absolute farce of a decision. I've no problems with the Scholes suspension. United appealed both (Scholes got a straight red even though the foul warrented a yellow but Scholesy being Scholesy he had already been booked.) but both failed.

The circumstances with the Man City player was that there was apparantly a break down in communication between club & player due to the players poor English. £2k fine was his punishment.

[Lamps]

about five good reason already

The Boro players did more or less the same as Keane last year but it was IGNORED

Now i have work to do

I'll be back about 4pm

Can you bring up the quotes where the Boro players say they were going to get Ronaldo?

[Lamps]

You're right on the Rooney thing. However it doesnt disguise the fact the Rooney sending off in the 1st place was an absolute farce of a decision. I've no problems with the Scholes suspension. United appealed both (Scholes got a straight red even though the foul warrented a yellow but Scholesy being Scholesy he had already been booked.) but both failed.


well that a different matter entirely. Lots of crazy unjust dismissals by individual refs

[RonnyB]

well that a different matter entirely. Lots of crazy unjust dismissals by individual refs

The FA had the power to overrule the red card. Now my takings are that a player who is serving a suspension for violent conduct (which how Rooney's was judged I believe) is not available for selection for England. Now because Rooney was suspended already for stamping on Carvalho in the WC, he was useless to England anyway.

I reckon he'd have got away with it if he was available for England.

Christ I'm beginning to sound like Kola.

[Lamps]

The FA had the power to overrule the red card. Now my takings are that a player who is serving a suspension for violent conduct (which how Rooney's was judged I believe) is not available for selection for England. Now because Rooney was suspended already for stamping on Carvalho in the WC, he was useless to England anyway.

I reckon he'd have got away with it if he was available for England.

Christ I'm beginning to sound like Kola.

I can't remember the exact incident, seem to have though it was harsh but there is a big difference between something thats harsh and something thats wrong. Harsh sendings off are rarely rescinded, nor should they be.

I'm still waiting for the quotes where Boro players say they were going to maim Ronaldo?

Can someone provide them?

[Lamps]

ps Did the FA ever follow up on Stam's eye witness evidence that Fergie tapped him up?

Not sure if thats within their remit, but its a valid enough question seeing as they have it in for him?

[RonnyB]

Done a quick google Lamps. Boro more or less told Boateng to shut up after saying about Ronaldo that "someday someone's going to hurt him".

[Lamps]

Done a quick google Lamps. Boro more or less told Boateng to shut up after saying about Ronaldo that "someday someone's going to hurt him".

Bet you'll never guess that i knew that. Here's the transcript

Boro captain George Boateng said: "A lot of players want to do what Morrison did. Why didn't Ronaldo do his tricks when it was 0-0 and people were fighting to get a goal? It annoys people. People have pride. No one likes to have the mickey taken out of them and if you're going to do that, one day someone will hurt him properly and he'll be out for a long time"

So I'd like Stevie to explain how a hypothetical, even though ill advised, theory of George Boateng's equate's to

"I'd waited long enough. I fucking hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you cunt, And don't ever stand over me again sneering about fake injuries. And tell your pal [David] Wetherall there's some for him as well. I didn't wait for Mr Elleray to show the red card. I turned and walked to the dressing room."

[KolaKubes]

ps Did the FA ever follow up on Stam's eye witness evidence that Fergie tapped him up?

Not sure if thats within their remit, but its a valid enough question seeing as they have it in for him?

That's a woefully ignorant comment.

Worse that you were trying to be clever.

1) There's no rules about tapping up players at other European Clubs. PSV were from Holland last time I checked.
2) Even if PSV were spirited to Gloustershire, it would be the Premier League who'd be investigating it, what with it being an arbitrary, agreed rule amongst Premiership clubs.
3) If there were such a rule, that would be UEFA's baby.

Think. Then type.

[Lamps]

That's a woefully ignorant comment.

Worse that you were trying to be clever.

1) There's no rules about tapping up players at other European Clubs. PSV were from Holland last time I checked.
2) Even if PSV were spirited to Gloustershire, it would be the Premier League who'd be investigating it, what with it being an arbitrary, agreed rule amongst Premiership clubs.
3) If there were such a rule, that would be UEFA's baby.

Think. Then type.

Thats why I said not sure if its in the FA's remit?

Obviously not then.

As a confessed bumslapper do you think the FA have a vendetta against United?

[homer jay]

As a confessed bumslapper do you think the FA have a vendetta against United?

rhetorical question?

[Lamps]

rhetorical question?

Might as well expose Kola as well as Stevie, check out Stevie's list.
In for a penny and all that

[homer jay]

Might as well expose Kola as well as Stevie, check out Stevie's list.
In for a penny and all that

i'll leave ya to it. haven't been reading the thread, being a kola invention, i expected it to be full of self praising, i'm so clever, look at me :smilie/winky face: bullshit.

enjoy. :twisted: ;) :p :evil:

[KolaKubes]

Thats why I said not sure if its in the FA's remit?

Obviously not then.

As a confessed bumslapper do you think the FA have a vendetta against United?

You've been blathering on about backroom plots, subterfuge and conspiracy theories in the heady world of Cork Gaelic Football for a week and a half.

You honestly imagine that having David Dein and Brian Barwick at the FA would have no impact on Utd?

Barwick being the man who when director of BBC sport personally vetoed Utd winning team of the year in 1999 with the phrase "over my dead body".

There are at least two examples of rank hypocrisy in the FA's dealings with Utd in the past five years, already cited.

[Lamps]

You've been blathering on about backroom plots, subterfuge and conspiracy theories in the heady world of Cork Gaelic Football for a week and a half.

You honestly imagine that having David Dein and Brian Barwick at the FA would have no impact on Utd?

Barwick being the man who when director of BBC sport personally vetoed Utd winning team of the year in 1999 with the phrase "over my dead body".

There are at least two examples of rank hypocrisy in the FA's dealings with Utd in the past five years, already cited.

can you please list the list please

and give me the source for the my dead body line?

not that I'm doubting you/

[Lamps]

Barwick being the man who when director of BBC sport personally vetoed Utd winning team of the year in 1999 with the phrase "over my dead body".



You're so wrong here its untrue. Its pretty bad exposure even by your standards.

Have you got the link yet?

[Lamps]

Barwick being the man who when director of BBC sport personally vetoed Utd winning team of the year in 1999 with the phrase "over my dead body".




fock it Kola I've given you enough time.


United won the BBC team of the year in 1999, and deservedly so. So that's WRONG
Barwick was at ITV since 1998. So that even more WRONG.

Unless the head of ITV sport tried to veto things over at the BBC, maybe that's why his veto didn't work and they won the thing.

Pwned.

[HappyMonday83]

fock it Kola I've given you enough time.


United won the BBC team of the year in 1999, and deservedly so. So that's WRONG
Barwick was at ITV since 1998. So that even more WRONG.

Unless the head of ITV sport tried to veto things over at the BBC, maybe that's why his veto didn't work and they won the thing.

Pwned.

Ouch. That's some hefty pwnage.

[Lamps]

Ouch. That's some hefty pwnage.

A think a week in the sweet valley high forum is needed to get over this one.

[HappyMonday83]

A think a week in the sweet valley high forum is needed to get over this one.

At least. I havn't seen exposure like that since jesus was found out by the romans.

[KolaKubes]

can you please list the list please

and give me the source for the my dead body line?

not that I'm doubting you/

RTFT

[RonnyB]

Kola you're theory on Barwick and the BBC might be right but your dates are out. As said United won Team of the Year in '99. However for all their success during the 90's having won 2 doubles, 2 other league titles & a European trophy, they were never awarded that honour.

[KolaKubes]

fock it Kola I've given you enough time.


United won the BBC team of the year in 1999, and deservedly so. So that's WRONG
Barwick was at ITV since 1998. So that even more WRONG.

Unless the head of ITV sport tried to veto things over at the BBC, maybe that's why his veto didn't work and they won the thing.

Pwned.

Mea culpa.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20041128/ai_n12912804

The detail of my story (off the top of my head) was wrong.

The substance, Barwick being a biased scouse c*nt, was not.

Now, a few posts above, I showed you up talking shite about a key rule in the game of football, namely tapping up and that Fergie has had nothing to answer for regarding Stam.

I presume you'll similarly accept your guilt in posting inaccuracies on the internet.

[Lamps]

Mea culpa.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20041128/ai_n12912804

The detail of my story (off the top of my head) was wrong.

The substance, Barwick being a biased scouse c*nt, was not.

Now, a few posts above, I showed you up talking shite about a key rule in the game of football, namely tapping up and that Fergie has had nothing to answer for regarding Stam.

I presume you'll similarly accept your guilt in posting inaccuracies on the internet.

woah woah, hold up now.

You said United didn't win BBC team of the year in 99. WRONG they did.
You said Barwick who was working at ITV blocked this. WRONG

Show me the evidence, other than Ferguson's ranting, that Barwick vetoed the 94 and 96 decisions? You had some "over my dead body" line didn't you?

Secondly who is to say United desereved the team of the year?
As far as I know the year Liverpool won the CL, they didn't get it.
Arsenal didn't win it in 2002 for one of their doubles either.

You've been badly exposed here.

[RonnyB]

In '94 Wigan Rugby League won it. In '96 the British 4x100m relay team won it.

Arsenal won it in '98 & Liverpool won it in '01. The Ashes winning England side got it in '05 ahead of Liverpool.

[KolaKubes]

woah woah, hold up now.

You said United didn't win BBC team of the year in 99. WRONG they did.
You said Barwick who was working at ITV blocked this. WRONG

Show me the evidence, other than Ferguson's ranting, that Barwick vetoed the 94 and 96 decisions? You had some "over my dead body" line didn't you?

Secondly who is to say United desereved the team of the year?
As far as I know the year Liverpool won the CL, they didn't get it.
Arsenal didn't win it in 2002 for one of their doubles either.

You've been badly exposed here.

I accepted I was wrong about it being 1999.

It was the two double winning teams.

The head of the FA being biased against Utd?

There'd be something wrong if a card-carrying Pool fan didn't.

What's questionable is why anyone associated with a major club should be running the FA.

The Dein thing with Wenger was a criminal abdication of his responsibilities to his own association. Wenger would have been the best thing to happen to English football since Alf Ramsay.

But carry on.

[Lamps]

In '94 Wigan Rugby League won it. In '96 the British 4x100m relay team won it.

Arsenal won it in '98 & Liverpool won it in '01. The Ashes winning England side got it in '05 ahead of Liverpool.

National teams tend to get first preference, be they rowers, olympic teams, golfers(ryder cup) or the rugby team, i think this is fair enough considering its a national awards ceremony for all sports, not just soccer.

Wigan at that time must have been winning everything every year for about 10 years, it was probably their turn/time.

Really this point is weak at best, even all allowing for him getting everything wrong. All pubes backed it up with was some Ferguson rant sourced from the Sunday Mirror, the same man who got sent off last week for telling the Clattenburg "exactly what he thought of him".

Ferguson rants aren't a source.

[KolaKubes]

National teams tend to get first preference, be they rowers, olympic teams, golfers(ryder cup) or the rugby team, i think this is fair enough considering its a national awards ceremony for all sports, not just soccer.

Wigan at that time must have been winning everything every year for about 10 years, it was probably their turn/time.

Really this point is weak at best, even all allowing for him getting everything wrong. All pubes backed it up with was some Ferguson rant sourced from the Sunday Mirror, the same man who got sent off last week for telling the Clattenburg "exactly what he thought of him".

Ferguson rants aren't a source.

You're some spacer.

[Lamps]

The head of the FA being biased against Utd?

There'd be something wrong if a card-carrying Pool fan didn't.



Is this all you have got now?

That because he is a Liverpool fan that he is working to sabotage United?

That is so weak.

He came in to the FA in 2005.

List these injustices Barwick has piled on United since then.

[Superior]

Is this all you have got now?

That because he is a Liverpool fan that he is working to sabotage United?

That is so weak.

He came in to the FA in 2005.

List these injustices Barwick has piled on United since then.

Brian Barwick is an anagram of 'Barbaric Wink'. Think about it.

[Lamps]

Brian Barwick is an anagram of 'Barbaric Wink'. Think about it.

you know me, i'm a stickler for evidence.

Stevie imagining Boro players said they were out to get Ronaldo. Wrong
Rooney being singled out in Amsterdam for a suspension. Wrong
Barwick running riot in the FA and BBC taking awards off United. Wrong
Keane getting a second ban for the same incident over his book. Wrong

Have you ever heard the likes of this shit.

[STEVIEG]

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid= %7BB4CEE8FA%2D9A47%2 D47BC%2DB069%2D3F7A2 F35DB70%7D&newsid=416822

That's why Boateng was disciplined is internally?

Boro discipline Boateng

George Boateng has been disciplined by Middlesbrough after his comments about United winger Cristiano Ronaldo.

The Boro skipper claimed 'one day, someone will hurt him properly' after last month's FA Cup quarter-final replay at Old Trafford.

Ronaldo had won and converted a late penalty to win the tie, and the visitors' James Morrison was sent off for a wild lunge on the 22-year-old.

Sir Alex Ferguson voiced his concern that Boateng had not been disciplined, but Boro boss Gareth Southgate confirmed on Wednesday that he had taken action against the Dutchman.

"I do not think the comments George made were correct and we have dealt with that," he said.

"Obviously, I prefer to deal with those things internally than have the Football Association deal with them. It is something we have spoken about and it has been dealt with."

And James Morrissons tackle was as bad as Keane's

[Lamps]

Show me the Boro players that threatened to do Ronaldo.

[STEVIEG]

Show me the Boro players that threatened to do Ronaldo.

Internally disciplined

For what?

Hard luck

[ho chi feen]

ps Did the FA ever follow up on Stam's eye witness evidence that Fergie tapped him up?

They can't. A club can only be done for tapping up at the behest of the the club whose player was tapped up. United have a good relationship with PSV anyway.

Also, 'tapping up' isn't an offence in most European countries, including Holland.

[STEVIEG]

Tapping up is widespread


They are all at it and have been for years

United as bad as anyone

[Lamps]

They can't. A club can only be done for tapping up at the behest of the the club whose player was tapped up. United have a good relationship with PSV anyway.

Also, 'tapping up' isn't an offence in most European countries, including Holland.

this has been established

[Lamps]

Internally disciplined

For what?

Hard luck

I'd say they just told him to cop on.

He made some ill advised comments which he was wrong to do, he never said he was going to do Ronaldo.

It in no way compares to Keane's comments?

Do you honestly believe it is the same?

[STEVIEG]

I'd say they just told him to cop on.

He made some ill advised comments which he was wrong to do, he never said he was going to do Ronaldo.

It in no way compares to Keane's comments?

Do you honestly believe it is the same?

That's why he was disciplined

Because he alluded to the fact that he would be done "PROPERLY"

Not as colourful as Dunphy's words, but similar in meaning

Did the FA ever get around to punishing Jack Charlton, who supposedly admitted keeping a black book of guys he wanted to do on the pitch (Think it was him anyway)

Roy Keane is box office, that's why he was treated differently and banned twice

And that's why his threads and begrudgers and admirers and everything else, rule this forum!

[Lamps]

That's why he was disciplined

Because he alluded to the fact that he would be done "PROPERLY"

Not as colourful as Dunphy's words, but similar in meaning



Plenty of players are out to do other players I would imagine.

Keane just decided to put in down in print, thats how big is ego was. And thats why he brought the game into disrepute.

If anyone else said it, they would have gotten the same treatment.

[MonTheHoops]

You're some spacer.



Fuck it, you're wasted on here, you should be taking over from Paxman grilling politicians. (http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17851 78&postcount=29)