New 60,000 Seat Pairc Ui Chaiomh

[EDDIEB]

Great news if it actually happens

See todays Echo.

[Teknique]

For 2 or 3 games a year ?
or will it be opened up to more sports ?

[jimmy magee]

No atmosphere there

[Lamps]

THE GAA wants to redevelop
Páirc Uí Chaoimh into a
state-of-the-art 60,000-seat
sports and concert venue.
The County Board ended months of
speculation by last night revealing its
plans in a submission lodged to Cork
City Council for the Draft South
Docks Local Area Plan public cons
u l t at ion.
Other proposals include:
● 400-space car park and team bus car
pa rk ;
● Restaurant and dining facilities;
● Park and ride/taxi drop-off area;
● Warm-up and all-weather pitch.

If these plans get the go-ahead, Cork
would have the second largest stadium
in the country, behind Croke
Park, which has a capacity of 82,000.
The Cork stadium would be bigger
than the redeveloped Lansdowne Road
(50,000), while also outstripping other
Munster GAA venues.
The new Páirc Uí Chaoimh would
also compare favourably with English
Premiership stadia, with only
Manchester United’s Old Trafford
(76,000) boasting a larger capacity.
The plans were revealed at City Hall
last night, where councillors met to
debate amendments to the South
Docklands blueprint.
Under its ambitious plan, the GAA
is also seeking to secure 16 acres from
the adjacent Munster Showgrounds
s i t e.
It had previously been reported in
the Evening Echo that the County
Board and senior city management
had held talks over a land transfer
that would facilitate the transformation
of Páirc ui Chaoimh.
These talks were made possible by
the local authority acquiring the
22-acre site from the Munster Agricultural
Society via Compulsory

[johnnyboy]

Better to make it 30 or 40 thousand and stick a roof on it.

[Rebelred]

I'd say cap it at 50,000 and roof it all around. No need for any larger

[EDDIEB]

For 2 or 3 games a year ?
or will it be opened up to more sports ?

It would require 12 - 15 full houses to pay for it I reckon per year.

Remember Croke Park does not make a cent until 35,000+ are admitted.

It will be bigger than Landsdown Road apparently.

[Lamps]

Forget it jocks, Frank me be many things but he aint leaving jockball and munstershire into this. As for soccer, Cork City can't fill turners cross, unless SunderIreland are in town

[RonnyB]

60,000 seems a little OTT but then again it would solve ticket issues for Munster finals while also opening up the possibility of hosting an All-Ireland semi if 2 Munster teams are involved.

As for other sports entering the equation I'd doubt it would happen (unless its a boxing match or SS stage of a rally) considering Frank rules the roost down here. He may be a lot of things but you cant fault his drive & pigheaded-ness in doing what he thinks is best.

[EDDIEB]

Forget it jocks, Frank me be many things but he aint leaving jockball and munstershire into this. As for soccer, Cork City can't fill turners cross, unless SunderIreland are in town

Frank is a man with lots of time in his hands, lots and lots of time to plot.

Would the Cork football team even fill it ?

Seriously doubtful.

Way too big for Cork with 2 or 3 big championship games per year.

60,000 is a bridge too far.


We will see which developers that they are in league with first as it may well be part of a municipal stadium deal with Cork City Council in exchange for Showgrounds lands.The GAA would not quickly take on 150+ million Euro debt on their own.

Kite flying exercise.

[homer jay]

400 parking spaces? ffs. the toffs on blackrock road won't let it go thru anyway.

[Rebelred]

Frank is a man with lots of time in his hands, lots and lots of time to plot.

Would the Cork football team even fill it ?

Seriously doubtful.

Way too big for Cork with 2 or 3 big championship games per year.

60,000 is a bridge too far.


We will see which developers that they are in league with first as it may well be part of a municipal stadium deal with Cork City Council in exchange for Showgrounds lands.The GAA would not quickly take on 150+ million Euro debt on their own.

Kite flying exercise.

I agree, as with all developments, I see this as the County board putting out a feeler for what they can get, after all, it's only a submission. 60,000 is probably above what they will actually want, or could feasibly maintain.

[Eau Rouge]

There is very little worse than empty seats in a stadium, sucks all the atmosphere out of the place. Far better to sell out less seats, and that way you get to charge a higher price per ticket too.
60,000 sounds like a white elephant in the making.

[KolaKubes]

I would have thought they're pitching for being associated with the new event centre.

[Lamps]

The Cork County board aren't in the business of wasting money, I'm sure they know what they are doing.

[Rebelred]

I would have thought they're pitching for being associated with the new event centre.

As a sidenote, I think whatever goes down there, be it a Stadium, event centre or whatever else, a massive car park should be made a part of the plans, trying to get a spot on sunday was a nightmare

[Tube a Pringles]

As a sidenote, I think whatever goes down there, be it a Stadium, event centre or whatever else, a massive car park should be made a part of the plans, trying to get a spot on sunday was a nightmare

Or a light rail link........but we are venturing out of Sports forum borders now.


What's PUC's capacity right now?

[RonnyB]

Or a light rail link........but we are venturing out of Sports forum borders now.


What's PUC's capacity right now?

I'm not sure of the exact figure but for Munster finals and other big championship games I think the maximum allowed is 38,000-40,000. Bit of uproar following the '05 hurling final when some supporters had to go out on the endline cos of overcrowding concerns.

[west cork rebel]

If they were to make it this big, they would have to open it up to other sports to make the money. Cork City might be able to play there or maybe a few international rugby and soccer games.

[Lamps]

Cork City might be able to play there.

:lol!:

[POL]

It would be a prime concert venue aswell, the jocks can forget about it, they can have their "state of the art" 25,000 seater :lol!: up in Toyota Park as it will become

[marco 2005]

If they were to make it this big, they would have to open it up to other sports to make the money. Cork City might be able to play there or maybe a few international rugby and soccer games.

That would definetely boost Ireland chances to actualy play a European Champ...since host countries are automaticaly qualified.

Ireland, Wales and Scotland to host a Euro 2020 or 2024...

[RonnyB]

That would definetely boost Ireland chances to actualy play a European Champ...since host countries are automaticaly qualified.

Ireland, Wales and Scotland to host a Euro 2020 or 2024...

Wouldnt happen. Theres no way UEFA would grant 3 countries automatic qualification on the basis of hosting the Euros.

Anyway they'd be taking place just when the intercounty scene is at its busiest. That would leave Ireland with 1 stadium available.

[EDDIEB]

That would definetely boost Ireland chances to actualy play a European Champ...since host countries are automaticaly qualified.

Ireland, Wales and Scotland to host a Euro 2020 or 2024...

With Staunton & John Delany in charge by then everyone will be playing GAA,Rugby or Cricket.:crazyeye:

[CHANCE]

Well whatever happens the place has to be sorted out as its a dive of a place. Those turnstiles were a joke and dangerous the last time I was there a few years ago.

[west cork rebel]

That would definetely boost Ireland chances to actualy play a European Champ...since host countries are automaticaly qualified.

Ireland, Wales and Scotland to host a Euro 2020 or 2024...

Having just one tournament won't make the money back, the ground would be used as a venue for gigs and the like, but maybe a major European club soccer or rugby game there would also be an option open to them. Plus I thought it was no longer the case that the home nation was granted a place in the finals or was that the previous winner?

[CHANCE]

Having just one tournament won't make the money back, the ground would be used as a venue for gigs and the like, but maybe a major European club soccer or rugby game there would also be an option open to them. Plus I thought it was no longer the case that the home nation was granted a place in the finals or was that the previous winner?
The winners have to qualify now but the host nation are automatically in.

[Rebelred]

Having just one tournament won't make the money back, the ground would be used as a venue for gigs and the like, but maybe a major European club soccer or rugby game there would also be an option open to them. Plus I thought it was no longer the case that the home nation was granted a place in the finals or was that the previous winner?
previous winner there.

Put simply, Cork doesn't have the need for a 60,000 seater stadium as the place is full of bandwagon hoppers and glory hunters ;) 50,000 max would do fine, and keep the terracing at that too!

[afeencalleddan]

I thought it was no longer the case that the home nation was granted a place in the finalsOh dear.

[marco 2005]

Wouldnt happen. Theres no way UEFA would grant 3 countries automatic qualification on the basis of hosting the Euros.

Anyway they'd be taking place just when the intercounty scene is at its busiest. That would leave Ireland with 1 stadium available.

Might actualy happen man, Platini's going to try to increase the number of teams for this competition

[west cork rebel]

Not so sure about having terracing there. If that were the case no soccr games could be played there unless they had temporarily seating put it, and if they are to build a 60,000 stadium they must aim to get a big soccer or rugby game there.

[RonnyB]

previous winner there.

Put simply, Cork doesn't have the need for a 60,000 seater stadium as the place is full of bandwagon hoppers and glory hunters ;) 50,000 max would do fine, and keep the terracing at that too!

Rebel I think that there are a few idiots going to games today that ruin the craic that was once present in the terraces. Thurles this year for the Waterford game was one of the best atmospheres I've witnessed while watching Cork but last year some 'supporters' were nothing short of a fucking disgrace. And I may add these were all around the age of 16. Between drinking, shouting abuse at young girls who they just wanted to jump & actually fighting in some cases, it shamed me to be associated with the same team as these shites.

If it was a load of geniune supporters who play the game, enjoy 3 or 4 pints before the match & then do themselves justice then the terrace is best place to be.

[RonnyB]

Not so sure about having terracing there. If that were the case no soccr games could be played there unless they had temporarily seating put it, and if they are to build a 60,000 stadium they must aim to get a big soccer or rugby game there.

Who cares? My terracing rant is down to the poor stewarding resulting in a yobish atmosphere. Why should the Cork County Board care about what the other sports need?

[marco 2005]

Having just one tournament won't make the money back, the ground would be used as a venue for gigs and the like, but maybe a major European club soccer or rugby game there would also be an option open to them. Plus I thought it was no longer the case that the home nation was granted a place in the finals or was that the previous winner?

Im not on about making money back, im just saying Ireland and maybe Wales or Scotland would have their chances to host a major competion on their soil increased.

Now, will a 60.000 seater stadium make sense or not?

Without rugby, soccer and gigs i can't see it being profitable... i'd assume the city council would not go for it if they were not planning to generate profits though.

[west cork rebel]

Who cares? My terracing rant is down to the poor stewarding resulting in a yobish atmosphere. Why should the Cork County Board care about what the other sports need?

If they are to make money on it, as some one siad this could turn into a big white elephant.

[RonnyB]

Might actualy happen man, Platini's going to try to increase the number of teams for this competition

Again would he give Ireland a place in return for a 50,000 seater stadium?

Also usually the hosts are granted a seeding of 1st for whatever group they are in. Wales & Ireland as 1st seeds going on current form?

[west cork rebel]

Im not on about making money back, im just saying Ireland and maybe Wales or Scotland would have their chances to host a major competion on their soil increased.

Now, will a 60.000 seater stadium make sense or not?

Without rugby, soccer and gigs i can't see it being profitable... i'd assume the city council would not go for it if they were not planning to generate profits though.

Yes the chances will be increased but doubt FIFA or UEFA will have 3 nations hosting a major competion, If two of those nations were to go ahead it will no problem.

[marco 2005]

Again would he give Ireland a place in return for a 50,000 seater stadium?

Also usually the hosts are granted a seeding of 1st for whatever group they are in. Wales & Ireland as 1st seeds going on current form?

yeah, what about Austria?

[EDDIEB]

Im not on about making money back, im just saying Ireland and maybe Wales or Scotland would have their chances to host a major competion on their soil increased.

Now, will a 60.000 seater stadium make sense or not?

Without rugby, soccer and gigs i can't see it being profitable... i'd assume the city council would not go for it if they were not planning to generate profits though.

Exactly - Wait and see !

It will be a municiple stadium I reckon as this has been floating around City Hall etc for a few years.

[afeencalleddan]

Why should the Cork County Board care about what the other sports need?Ehhh... I think there seems to be a bit of confusion over who needs what exactly! If there's a state of the art stadium being built in Cork then it's the GAA will need the help of the other sports.

[marco 2005]

Im not on about making money back, im just saying Ireland and maybe Wales or Scotland would have their chances to host a major competion on their soil increased.

Now, will a 60.000 seater stadium make sense or not?

Without rugby, soccer and gigs i can't see it being profitable... i'd assume the city council would not go for it if they were not planning to generate profits though.

Exactly - Wait and see !

It will be a municiple stadium I reckon as this has been floating around City Hall etc for a few years.

If thats the case, i see that as a good thing

[afeencalleddan]

Wales & Ireland as 1st seeds going on current form?Current form on the pitch has nothing to do with hosts getting seeded. The criteria for hosting are good stadia and good infrastructure. If you have those then you have a chance of hosting and will be seeded.

[west cork rebel]

If thats the case, i see that as a good thing

so do I, needs to be a multi purpose stadium though.

[EDDIEB]

[QUOTE=EDDIEB;1745983]

If thats the case, i see that as a good thing

5 - 7 years before we will see anything on the groung though !

[Lamps]

I really can't see the Rogger getting in. Frank would rather keep the pairc as it is

[RonnyB]

yeah, what about Austria?

Austria have more stadiums than Ireland & Wales together I would imagine.

Again I couldnt see Croke Park or any other GAA stadia being available to UEFA in June & July. So any bid involving Ireland would probably fall flat on its hole because all they'd have is Lansdowne. Thomand Park wouldnt be big enough.

[Johnnyc]

Up and down the country every year some county is opening up new grounds, redeveloping them is one thing but making the capacity so big that it may only be filled once a year is a joke and waste of money they won't recoup.

If you look at gaa grounds in Munster alone you have Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Thurles, Gaelic grounds and even Clare's grounds are a decent size.

There are more and more games being played with the current structure, many of them of little consequence to who ultimately lift the silver ware and fans are increasingly just watching these games on tv instead of paying in to go to the games.

[west cork rebel]

Again I couldnt see Croke Park or any other GAA stadia being available to UEFA in June & July. So any bid involving Ireland would probably fall flat on its hole because all they'd have is Lansdowne. Thomand Park wouldnt be big enough.

Maybe not, the GAA stadiums would only be used one twice a week for the All Ireland, If Ireland were to host a major soccer comp I'm sure they could figure it out some how, how to rotate the stadiums.

[RonnyB]

Maybe not, the GAA stadiums would only be used one twice a week for the All Ireland, If Ireland were to host a major soccer comp I'm sure they could figure it out some how, how to rotate the stadiums.

I'm not so sure.

Lets say for instance Ireland hosted next years Euro '08. Cork & Tipphave drawn each other in the hurling. Its Cork's turn to have home advantage. Now Cork have no problem travelling to Thurles. However its Tipp that are the opposition & after the stunts they've pulled in recent years between narrowing the pitch in Thurles last year & forcing the '04 qualifier to be played in Killarney, Frank would rather die than let them away without playing in the Pairc. Also Munster football final is due to be played in Cork if the seedings run to form.

Rule 42 is only temporary remember.

[corkoniense]

A few points.

1. I think this is a great idea, if handled properly.

2. Nothing wrong with 60,000 capacity, as long as all ireland quarterfinals are played there at least, if not the odd semi. All munster hurling finals involving Cork will fill to capacity. Also, If a munster county drew the dubs in a qualifier game, we could look at playing it there, along with other big double headers. Dublin isn't the centre of the universe.

3.Would like to see the something like the stadia that exist in Germany, where the areas behind the goals can be terraced AND seated, depending on the event. Schalke 04 and Borussia Dortmund both have 60,000 seater stadia, but both increase to 80,000 for the Bundesliga. We could do something similar here, no reason why we can't!

4.Rugby and soccer matches should be played there (and athletics meets?), as well as the usual funding by concerts etc.

5. This should definitely be done as long as the City Council stand up to Frank. I am a GAA man myself, but there is no way the GAA should get their hands on the showgrounds with no strings attached. The city council has to stand their ground and demand that, even if the GAA maintains control for the most part, the council has an equitable stake in the stadium and hence should be entitled to rent out the ground for non-GAA events.

6.Unfortunately, I remember reading over on Archiseek discussion forum a good while back that Frank was trying to do a deal with the council to get the land for nothing, on the basis that Cork GAA has provided so much to the city and county etc. I wouldn't be too surprised if those muppets we call public representatives caved in on this.

7. Ciaran Lynch, Labour TD for Cork South Central, has been banging on about a municipal stadium for some time. Michael Martin, TD for the same constituency, is the man with the power in Cork but is a gutless windbag. That does not bode well for the possibility of a pluralist sporting stadium to represent the most plural sporting county in the country.

[RonnyB]

Maybe not, the GAA stadiums would only be used one twice a week for the All Ireland, If Ireland were to host a major soccer comp I'm sure they could figure it out some how, how to rotate the stadiums.

Not sure how logical it could be though. Imagine England against Holland on a Wednesday night with Cork & Tipp playing the Munster final on the Sunday. the seating/terracing scenario would probably make it impossible to fit both in.

[afeencalleddan]

athletics meetsInteresting point but bad for general atmosphere.

Imagine England against Holland on a Wednesday nightHeh, I'm sure the Gardaí would relish the thought.

[marco 2005]

Austria have more stadiums than Ireland & Wales together I would imagine.

Again I couldnt see Croke Park or any other GAA stadia being available to UEFA in June & July. So any bid involving Ireland would probably fall flat on its hole because all they'd have is Lansdowne. Thomand Park wouldnt be big enough.

I was on about the seeding.

Regarding the Austrian stadiums, i just did a quick search as i heard there's a ticket issue for this competition due to the size of tghe venues used.

Klagenfurt: 30.000
Wien: 50.000
Salzburg: 30.000
Innsbruck: 30.000

Switzerland:

Zurich: 30.000
Basel: 33.000
Bern: 30.000
Geneva: 30.000

Not big venues at all in fairness

[markinmanc]

Reality check boys - the Corpo wouldn't have the guts to stands up to the GAA, so there'll be a 60,000 underused GAA stadium, an underused 20,000 rugger bugger venue, an overused 11,000 footy stadium and people will still be left crying out for a decent arena/concert venue.

Sad but true.

Cork City could easily fill a 60,000 seater stadium for a game against Sunderland!:p

[corkoniense]

Reality check boys - the Corpo wouldn't have the guts to stands up to the GAA,

Correction: The Corpo won't have the guts to stand up to the County Board. A very different group of people from ordinary GAA people (whatever their views) and only representative of a small number of bigots.

But I also fear the Corpo won't stand up to them. De Paper is practically the board's mouthpiece...a Pravda that will not question the Secretary/Dear Leader

[RonnyB]

I was on about the seeding.

Regarding the Austrian stadiums, i just did a quick search as i heard there's a ticket issue for this competition due to the size of tghe venues used.

Klagenfurt: 30.000
Wien: 50.000
Salzburg: 30.000
Innsbruck: 30.000

Switzerland:

Zurich: 30.000
Basel: 33.000
Bern: 30.000
Geneva: 30.000

Not big venues at all in fairness

I made my seeding reference considering a bid of Ireland, Wales & Scotland but point noted.

Holland & Belgium hadnt that many massive stadiums either in 2000.

[west cork rebel]

corkoniense made a good point about Dublin not being the cenrte of the GAA. It's stupid to see a big GAA game between two munster teams in Dublin, should be played in Munster, and this 60,000 stadium will be place to do it.

[STEVIEG]

corkoniense made a good point about Dublin not being the cenrte of the GAA. .

Absolutely

It's a shame and it is not just in Gaelic games that we have this problem

It is true about the Cork sporting public being the ultimate bandwagoners though, as some have said, 50,000 should be plenty

[liam2me]

sounds like a great showpiece stadium to be fair, pity it will only be full for less then half a dozen games a year at most

[Rebelred]

Up and down the country every year some county is opening up new grounds, redeveloping them is one thing but making the capacity so big that it may only be filled once a year is a joke and waste of money they won't recoup.

If you look at gaa grounds in Munster alone you have Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Thurles, Gaelic grounds and even Clare's grounds are a decent size.

There are more and more games being played with the current structure, many of them of little consequence to who ultimately lift the silver ware and fans are increasingly just watching these games on tv instead of paying in to go to the games.

Clares stadium is a kip on an epic scale. Killarney holds 40,000 aswell, even if the majority is terraced.

Ronny B, in response to your earlier reply to my request to keep the terracing, it's quite easy to switch between seating and standing room in modern stadium. Terraces are still in place in the majority of Bundesliga stadiums where little or no hassle occurs, look at Shalkes magnificent stadium or The Allianz Arena for examples of this. Terracing helps create a better atmosphere at matches and can be more enjoyable for those who go to those areas.

As For the bulmer scobes, unfortunately you'll always get them, some people are just born thick

[Rebel Yell]

The idea is to have Munster's showpiece stadium...in fairness, if you are planning on redeveloping any ground in the country, then the pairc is it...perfect location, space, structure in place etc...

I also hear that the summer music festival has plans to upgrade even further..a 60,000 venue would cater for some seriously big names...you might even have a situation where the place is filled/near full for a few music events alone every year...

And sure Cork City will be playing all their Champions League home games there, and Munster all their HC games :) Frank Murphy, after keeling over when the County Board sell out to the foreign games, will subsequently be honoured in name, and the following Year's Champions League Final will be held at the re-named Frank Murphy Bowl...

[markinmanc]

It'll be Munster GAA's showpiece stadium, not a showpiece stadium for Munster.

[POL]

You'll never see Garrison games in there, Munstershire will have Toyota Park to showcase

[KolaKubes]

You'll never see Garrison games in there, Munstershire will have Toyota Park to showcase

It will happen.

[Rebelred]

It will happen.
I doubt this very much. It's key to remember it's only a submission, if the county board end up with a 45,000 stadium they'll be doing well.

[Rebel Yell]

You'll never see Garrison games in there, Munstershire will have Toyota Park to showcase

The GAA will be on the pigs back with the money they get from Croker...the potential for Euro hoarding arising out of a new super stadium will not be lost on them...Rugby, soccer, music, American Football, Boxing, wrestling...you name it and they will consider it...the advantages of having this in the South will be a big plus with thse fed up with travelling to Dublin for major events ...

Munstershire will be as welcome as any and are only the tip of the commercial iceberg...

[RonnyB]

With Thomand going to be 26,000 & Lansdowne not too far doing the pipeline at 50,000, The Pairc is unlikely to be used for Munster games. Also Pairc Ui Rinn would be too small for senior hurling & football finals so again they'll take preferance over other events.

Also Rebel is probably right with the capacity situation. 50,000 would be plenty big enough in most cases and even though it would make sense to have a 60k stadium down south to cater for AI 1/4's & 1/2's, Croke Park wont have it because they need those games to help running that place.

[Johnnyc]

Clares stadium is a kip on an epic scale. Killarney holds 40,000 aswell, even if the majority is terraced.




I never said it was nice! Ya I forgot about Killarney, which is actually a nice stadium with a great back drop.

Anyways 60,000 is much too big.

[markinmanc]

I never said it was nice! Ya I forgot about Killarney, which is actually a nice stadium with a great back drop.

Anyways 60,000 is much too big.


But it's only too big as a GAA only stadium.

[EDDIEB]

It will happen.

Not only will it happen.

A lot is going on behind the scenes.

[Johnnyc]

But it's only too big as a GAA only stadium.

True I suppose, but I wouldn't build it on such a scale until they agreed a stadium share with maybe Munster, which knowing the way the GAA drag their heels, you'd be waiting forever.

Even if they had Munster on board too they'd only fill the stadium three or four times a year.

[Rebelred]

True I suppose, but I wouldn't build it on such a scale until they agreed a stadium share with maybe Munster, which knowing the way the GAA drag their heels, you'd be waiting forever.

Even if they had Munster on board too they'd only fill the stadium three or four times a year.

I'm sure they probably said the same about Pairc Ui Caoimh when it was first built though, if it was full once a year it was as much really.

[Lamps]

Not only will it happen.

A lot is going on behind the scenes.

you awlays seem to know a lot about planning Eddie, spill the beans.

[KolaKubes]

Not only will it happen.

A lot is going on behind the scenes.

Same situation as with the opening of Croker.

The GAA provide the best sport in the country every year.

It runs two massively well-supported championship series.

The success of the soccer and rugby teams has never impinged on this.

The loss of a few players to these codes (and aussie rules) is regrettable but, technically, doesn't really affect things as intercounty teams draw from a huge pick of players anyway.

Rugby and soccer are both winter sports, there is little problem with clashes with the main thrust of the GAA calendar.

Given all this, it is crazy for the GAA not to exploit its position of dominance and set themselves up as de facto landlords to the main competing codes (and more sports besides).

They'll effectively have a tax on all other sport going on in the country.

Money flowing back into their own games.

[EDDIEB]

you awlays seem to know a lot about planning Eddie, spill the beans.

Part of the job knowing whats planned for Cork designwise.etc.

Put it this way a lot of Civic leaders,Business Groups,Sporting bodies,Hotels etc are not very happy with all the money heading to Dublin for GAA,Soccer,Rugby,Con certs etc. filling hotels and the coffers of the capital.
Especially now with the excellent facilities at GAA HQ.And Landsdown Road currently being re-built.

A lot of horse trading to be done yet but as with these things compromise and money/land etc a deal will be done.

If anyone thinks that the GAA will build a 60,000 partially enclosed seated stadium which may be full to capacity 2/3 times a year whilst its empty from late Autumn until early Summer is dreaming.The GAA is a big business now and realistic about usage.

[RonnyB]

Even though 60,000 seems a bit much, you are talking about a major development here like of a place that is in pretty poor nick at the moment.

Now I was once told when staring out in life if you are to do a job, you better do the fucking thing properly that you dont have to do it again before too long. With a stadium like this, having a big capacity would help other sporting events if needed but that wont be Frank's priority.

Good oul Nickey our bestest bud in the whole wide kilkenny will be out of office in 2 years. From what I've heard Sean Walsh is tipped to replace him. Now Mr. Walsh although probably not a big fan of Cork, would be in favour of having big games such as AI semi finals in Munster if the teams are from the province.

In saying that, Walsh's term would last only 3 years and by 2012 there would be a new president. Who that may be we dont know. Does it matter? I think not. Why? The Directors General job is vacent at the moment after Liam Mulvahill retired. A certain other Sean from the Kingdom is expected to fill that role. Here is a man with big ideas & again would favour more games taking place outside Croke Park.

I'd like to think Mr. F. Murphy from Blackrock would have thought of all these things. And more than likely he has thought of the other tweaks this could mean too.

[EDDIEB]

Same situation as with the opening of Croker.

The GAA provide the best sport in the country every year.

It runs two massively well-supported championship series.

The success of the soccer and rugby teams has never impinged on this.

The loss of a few players to these codes (and aussie rules) is regrettable but, technically, doesn't really affect things as intercounty teams draw from a huge pick of players anyway.

Rugby and soccer are both winter sports, there is little problem with clashes with the main thrust of the GAA calendar.

Given all this, it is crazy for the GAA not to exploit its position of dominance and set themselves up as de facto landlords to the main competing codes (and more sports besides).

They'll effectively have a tax on all other sport going on in the country.

Money flowing back into their own games.

Correct as the GAA is dominant anyway and why now be the lords and masters ot their tenants whilst paying for the stadium through other codes and events.

They would be mad not to.It may not make sense to the hardliners (does anything ?) but its perfect business sense.

[markinmanc]

There's a great opportunity to build something on the site of the Showgrounds and PUC. Could you imagine something along the line of Cardiff - a large (not as large as that ground, that would be silly) ground, a smaller one circa 20-25,000 beside it, a 10,000 capacity indoor stadium.

Or even something like this:

http://www.figc.it/english/euro_u21_2007/img/Arnhem.jpg

Vitesse Arnhem's stadium.

Could you imagine Cork City playing there, or a Barrs-Rockies final on a Satrday evening! Pitch slides out, Foo Fighters play a gig (indoor or outdoor) a few days later.

[POL]

Could you imagine Cork City playing there
no I couldn't.

[Rebelred]

There's a great opportunity to build something on the site of the Showgrounds and PUC. Could you imagine something along the line of Cardiff - a large (not as large as that ground, that would be silly) ground, a smaller one circa 20-25,000 beside it, a 10,000 capacity indoor stadium.

Or even something like this:

http://www.figc.it/english/euro_u21_2007/img/Arnhem.jpg

Vitesse Arnhem's stadium.

Could you imagine Cork City playing there, or a Barrs-Rockies final on a Satrday evening! Pitch slides out, Foo Fighters play a gig (indoor or outdoor) a few days later.

remember, the gaa pitch dimensions will mean any soccer/rugby games would be in the middle of a big pitch, a good 30 metres from the crowd, just like croker

[Lamps]

There's a great opportunity to build something on the site of the Showgrounds and PUC. Could you imagine something along the line of Cardiff - a large (not as large as that ground, that would be silly) ground, a smaller one circa 20-25,000 beside it, a 10,000 capacity indoor stadium.

Or even something like this:

http://www.figc.it/english/euro_u21_2007/img/Arnhem.jpg

Vitesse Arnhem's stadium.

Could you imagine Cork City playing there, or a Barrs-Rockies final on a Satrday evening! Pitch slides out, Foo Fighters play a gig (indoor or outdoor) a few days later.

I might be able to take you seriously if you didn't despise the GAA

[POL]

a GAA hater is he? we know the type alright

[markinmanc]

I might be able to take you seriously if you didn't despise the GAA

a GAA hater is he? we know the type alright


I like the way you log in and out so quickly. Yey you obviously have nothing of value to say. :rolleyes:

Debate the point not the person. I assume they taught you that in whatever school you claim to have attended.

[homer jay]

remember, the gaa pitch dimensions will mean any soccer/rugby games would be in the middle of a big pitch, a good 30 metres from the crowd, just like croker

that'll be a small price to pay to be able to play there.

[Lamps]

Its all give give give with the GAA.

Its time to close ranks, if we are to be serious about this and Cork are to fulfill their potential as the only superpower in the country, they should seek to eradicate Rogger and Soccer in this county. I have no problem leaving Bruce Springsteen playing there, but thats the only situation whereby BOD(who i have time for) should be on that turf. Concert venue, American Football, Boxing ot whatever, i have no probelm with that, just keep out the competition.

[EDDIEB]

Its all give give give with the GAA.

Its time to close ranks, if we are to be serious about this and Cork are to fulfill their potential as the only superpower in the country, they should seek to eradicate Rogger and Soccer in this county. I have no problem leaving Bruce Springsteen playing there, but thats the only situation whereby BOD(who i have time for) should be on that turf. Concert venue, American Football, Boxing ot whatever, i have no probelm with that, just keep out the competition.

It worked for Croke Park !
We are the only superpower after Dublin of course.

The deal is being done and the SFI are not even being consulted.

[Lamps]

It worked for Croke Park !
We are the only superpower after Dublin of course.


Dublin?

[KolaKubes]

It worked for Croke Park !
We are the only superpower after Dublin of course.

The deal is being done and the SFI are not even being consulted.

Brilliant. :lol:

[Lamps]

Seriously Eddie, are you telling me that Frank and the county board is allowing Rogger and Soccer into the park?

I just cannot believe that.

[Eau Rouge]

Its all give give give with the GAA.

Its time to close ranks, if we are to be serious about this and Cork are to fulfill their potential as the only superpower in the country, they should seek to eradicate Rogger and Soccer in this county. I have no problem leaving Bruce Springsteen playing there, but thats the only situation whereby BOD(who i have time for) should be on that turf. Concert venue, American Football, Boxing ot whatever, i have no probelm with that, just keep out the competition.

The GAA can't beat the opposition, so it has to resort to eradicate them?
That's an admission that the GAA games themselves are a pile of crap that could never survive is it wasn't for the whole "their Irish" thing, or the lack of an alternative. Do you really think the GAA sports are that shite?

[KolaKubes]

Seriously Eddie, are you telling me that Frank and the county board is allowing Rogger and Soccer into the park?

I just cannot believe that.

Did you not ever hear of a sleeper agent?

[EDDIEB]

Seriously Eddie, are you telling me that Frank and the county board is allowing Rogger and Soccer into the park?

I just cannot believe that.

Wait and see.

Its a few years off yet.

Tell me how they are going to pay and maintain a 60,000 partly covered seated arena that requires 15+ capacity events per year just to keep the thing open ?



Take your time.

[Lamps]

The GAA can't beat the opposition, so it has to resort to eradicate them?
That's an admission that the GAA games themselves are a pile of crap that could never survive is it wasn't for the whole "their Irish" thing, or the lack of an alternative. Do you really think the GAA sports are that shite?


The Rogger is trying to capture todays youth, sending out development officers to schools and stuff.
The Rogger gets unbalanced, overrepresented media time.

Time to hit back.

Step 1. Hold the line, no rogger or soccer down the paric. Let them build their own shit.

[POL]

pure bullshit, until this is voted upon in Congress nothing can happen to GAA grounds, nice wum Eddie :lol!: great use of the old "i know a lad/ I'm involved in..." line

[homer jay]

Its all give give give with the GAA.

Its time to close ranks, if we are to be serious about this and Cork are to fulfill their potential as the only superpower in the country, they should seek to eradicate Rogger and Soccer in this county. I have no problem leaving Bruce Springsteen playing there, but thats the only situation whereby BOD(who i have time for) should be on that turf. Concert venue, American Football, Boxing ot whatever, i have no probelm with that, just keep out the competition.

sounds like the gaa heads are scared of a little competition. you'll be joining a communist party next.

[POL]

If it was up to me I'd bring back the ban on soccer and rugby

[Lamps]

Did you not ever hear of a sleeper agent?

I hope your with me on this Kola, east cork has some right hardliners fighting the good fight

[Lamps]

sounds like the gaa heads are scared of a little competition. you'll be joining a communist party next.

A little competition = Giving them your ground?

[Rebelred]

I hope your with me on this Kola, east cork has some right hardliners fighting the good fight

John Arnold would be horrified. As Pol has rightly stated though, none of this could go ahead without it being passed by Congress, the Northern lads wouldn't have it

[EDDIEB]

The Rogger is trying to capture todays youth, sending out development officers to schools and stuff.
The Rogger gets unbalanced, overrepresented media time.

Time to hit back.

Step 1. Hold the line, no rogger or soccer down the paric. Let them build their own shit.

You clearly have little confidence in the GAA's games to attract players etc if that the attitude.

They are.

Landsdown Road,Thomond & Musgrave Park are being developed.

Con is building a new Clubhouse & Pitched etc in Monkstown.

[KolaKubes]

I hope your with me on this Kola, east cork has some right hardliners fighting the good fight

John is only over the road sure.

East Cork is generally opposed to Gaelic Football and all foreign codes.

I would like to see co-existence.

Soccer is great for the skillful but weak as water lads.

Rugby gives the unathletic fat kids something to do of a weekend.

Neither are missed much by the GAA.

[KolaKubes]

You clearly have little confidence in the GAA's games to attract players etc if that the attitude.

They are.

Landsdown Road,Thomond & Musgrave Park are being developed.

Con is building a new Clubhouse & Pitched etc in Monkstown.

I presume the etc includes a marina and day spa?

[EDDIEB]

A little competition = Giving them your ground?

Or in competition anyway.

Rent / share the ground and costs = sense.

See also Croke Park 2006 / 2007.

[Lamps]

You clearly have little confidence in the GAA's games to attract players etc if that the attitude.

They are.

Landsdown Road,Thomond & Musgrave Park are being developed.

Con is building a new Clubhouse & Pitched etc in Monkstown.

I love the way when some GAA people decide that they might not want Soccer or Rogger in their grounds its because they are afraid of competition.

I was down at the u16 county final about 3 weeks ago and there were a couple of thousand people there in the pissing rain on a weeknight. The GAA is doing pretty good I'd say. Next step should be to take on Rogger especially from gaining the foothold they are desparately trying to do.

Time to hit back.

[EDDIEB]

I presume the etc includes a marina and day spa?

Cappucino machines on the 22.

The new marina in Monkstown is a seperate development.

[homer jay]

A little competition = Giving them your ground?

i didn't say that.

what's wrong with a little competition? are you scared bogball might become the 4th or 5th sport in the country? hurling is hardly played by half the counties anyway! why fight the inevitable.

[RonnyB]

John Arnold would be horrified. As Pol has rightly stated though, none of this could go ahead without it being passed by Congress, the Northern lads wouldn't have it

Back to Rule 42 which is only ajar for a short period of time.

I'd love to see a facility of the like in Cork but if its to be the new Pairc then it has to be GAA dominated & by that Carrigtwohill & Watergrasshill take preference over Ireland & Germany.

I'd be in favour of other sports being played there but GAA comes 1st.

[Lamps]

I presume the etc includes a marina and day spa?

:)

thats more like it

[Lamps]

i didn't say that.

what's wrong with a little competition? are you scared bogball might become the 4th or 5th sport in the country? hurling is hardly played by half the counties anyway! why fight the inevitable.

wum

[Rebelred]

You clearly have little confidence in the GAA's games to attract players etc if that the attitude.

They are.

Landsdown Road,Thomond & Musgrave Park are being developed.

Con is building a new Clubhouse & Pitched etc in Monkstown.

won't be a patch on Mallow:

http://www.mallowgaa.com/complex.php

[Langer Dan]

Great news if it actually happens

See todays Echo.

earra theyv announced this four or five times now.

[EDDIEB]

I love the way when some GAA people decide that they might not want Soccer or Rogger in their grounds its because they are afraid of competition.

I was down at the u16 county final about 3 weeks ago and there were a couple of thousand people there in the pissing rain on a weeknight. The GAA is doing pretty good I'd say. Next step should be to take on Rogger especially from gaining the foothold they are desparately trying to do.

Time to hit back.

No problem then ?

Why worry ?

I have nephews who play Rugby,Soccer and GAA and probably have more choices than we ever had.

You would be better off trying to ban computer games etc.

A pointless but worthy ideal.

[Lamps]

Soccer is great for the skillful but weak as water lads.

Rugby gives the unathletic fat kids something to do of a weekend.

Neither are missed much by the GAA.

Its that kind of attitude is dangerous.

Tipp should be the example of what could happen, Rogger gaining fierce ground in the home of hurling

[KolaKubes]

I love the way when some GAA people decide that they might not want Soccer or Rogger in their grounds its because they are afraid of competition.

I was down at the u16 county final about 3 weeks ago and there were a couple of thousand people there in the pissing rain on a weeknight. The GAA is doing pretty good I'd say. Next step should be to take on Rogger especially from gaining the foothold they are desparately trying to do.

Time to hit back.

This might gladden your heart lamps. That cousin of mine is in Pres and has quit the rogger to focus on hurling (and a bit of rowing mind).

[Rebelred]

This might gladden your heart lamps. That cousin of mine is in Pres and has quit the rogger to focus on hurling (and a bit of rowing mind).

the rowing will strengthen his swing Kola :)

[KolaKubes]

Its that kind of attitude is dangerous.

Tipp should be the example of what could happen, Rogger gaining fierce ground in the home of hurling

You didn't just say that.

On here?!

Sure rugby suits them better.

The thick, ignorant c*nts.

Picture Leamy with that bottle inserted up his ass celebrating the 'Pool winning the European Cup in '05.

True story.

[KolaKubes]

the rowing will strengthen his swing Kola :)

Risk of overtraining though?

[homer jay]

wum

you're going to have to deal with your fear of gaa demise better than just putting your fingers in your ears.

[Rebelred]

Risk of overtraining though?

that's always there, but at least he won't be downing tubs of creatine and slowing up

[KolaKubes]

that's always there, but at least he won't be downing tubs of creatine and slowing up

Indeed.

I was genuinely bothered when I first heard about him going to Pres and the inevitable rugby fraternisation that followed. Lad is a natural hurler, what a waste that would have been.

Thankfully, he's seen sense.

Awful card player though.

[Lamps]

This might gladden your heart lamps. That cousin of mine is in Pres and has quit the rogger to focus on hurling (and a bit of rowing mind).

its does Kola, it sure does

[Sound]

that's always there, but at least he won't be downing tubs of creatine and slowing up

Someone should tell that to every Northern football team and Dublin.

[Lamps]

Someone should tell that to every Northern football team and Dublin.

Last time i saw them they still had necks.

[POL]

Last time i saw them they still had necks.and hair

[Lamps]

and hair

:lol!:

Lets here what logical boy has up his sleeve

[Sound]

Last time i saw them they still had necks.

Armagh?

Hair-loss is down to steroids not creatine.

[Lamps]

Armagh?



Yes, Armagh.

This may be slightly off topic but take a look at Paul O Connell, the lad can barely walk with the bulk and is half bald in his mid 20's.

I was struck last week by the lack of muscle on Bakkies Botha and on both New Zealand 2nd Rows, they actually seemed kind of lean, like O Connell used to be.

[Sound]

Yes, Armagh.

This may be slightly off topic but take a look at Paul O Connell, the lad can barely walk with the bulk and is half bald in his mid 20's.

I was struck last week by the lack of muscle on Bakkies Botha and on both New Zealand 2nd Rows, they actually seemed kind of lean, like O Connell used to be.

Bakkies Botha is about two stone heavier than O' Connell.

[Lamps]

Bakkies Botha is about two stone heavier than O' Connell.

well it doesn't look like it on his upper body, maybe it was the loose fitting jersey. he also seems like he has mobility.

I would claim expertise on the matter, investigation will be done

[Lamps]

getting a 19lb difference on wiki with Botha and inch and a half taller.

but i doubt wiki took the trip to Poland for Arlands special training if you know what I mean into consideration

[POL]

I think we all know what went on in Poland..

[Lamps]

I think we all know what went on in Poland..

Rocky IV springs to my mind for some reason

[Lamps]

Georgia Versus Ireland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Kg_w-0y_w

ps I didn't even check but I assume this is the one where Dolph gets his special medicine

[POL]

yes "special" medicine

[legend76]

sounds like a great showpiece stadium to be fair, pity it will only be full for less then half a dozen games a year at most

Not like West Ham's new 70,000 plus stadium then :)

[Sound]

As an aside, I read somewhere that the players came back about 5KG lighter from the WC than their usual weights. T'would point to too much training.

[KolaKubes]

Last time i saw them they still had necks.

I was accused of having no neck the other week and I have never touched the creatine or any of the other bollocks.

Some of us are just naturally stumpy fuckers like! :D

[Lamps]

I was accused of having no neck the other week and I have never touched the creatine or any of the other bollocks.

Some of us are just naturally stumpy fuckers like! :D

Will i suggest you on the hardest proccers on the relationships forum.

How fat are you?

[liam2me]

why the fuck can irish sports people not use their collective heads and just work together? it would benefit the players, the public and, apart from petty "my dad is bigger then your dad" squabbles, there are no reasons why this can't benefit the various organisations too.

can you imagine if there was a big soccer/rugby international/european club game on a saturday and then a GAA game the next day in the new pairc, sell the games as packages to the away fans and see how much exposer this would give the GAA and potentially allow them to expand abroad through the new interest

why does irish sport have to be so backwards and at each other throat?

[STEVIEG]

Rodney King ^^^^^^^

[Sound]

why the fuck can irish sports people not use their collective heads and just work together? it would benefit the players, the public and, apart from petty "my dad is bigger then your dad" squabbles, there are no reasons why this can't benefit the various organisations too.

can you imagine if there was a big soccer/rugby international/european club game on a saturday and then a GAA game the next day in the new pairc, sell the games as packages to the away fans and see how much exposer this would give the GAA and potentially allow them to expand abroad through the new interest

why does irish sport have to be so backwards and at each other throat?

Cashmoney.

[liam2me]

Cashmoney.
they would all get plenty of it of they co-operated IMO

[FL4ZGN]

They should light the stadium up like a motherfucker.

[liam2me]

They should light the stadium up like a motherfucker.
still lacking an original thought, hey how many hangings are you off trying to stop today?

[FL4ZGN]

still lacking an original thought, hey how many hangings are you off trying to stop today?

FFS.

[liam2me]

FFS.
or are ya just sticking to the lethal injection being too, well, lethal, and therefore against human rights?

[FL4ZGN]

or are ya just sticking to the lethal injection being too, well, lethal, and therefore against human rights?

Well amnesty international have a better chance of building a 70,000 seater stadium in London than West Ham do.

[RonnyB]

why the fuck can irish sports people not use their collective heads and just work together? it would benefit the players, the public and, apart from petty "my dad is bigger then your dad" squabbles, there are no reasons why this can't benefit the various organisations too.

can you imagine if there was a big soccer/rugby international/european club game on a saturday and then a GAA game the next day in the new pairc, sell the games as packages to the away fans and see how much exposer this would give the GAA and potentially allow them to expand abroad through the new interest

why does irish sport have to be so backwards and at each other throat?

The bit in bold is a fantasy idea. Did you ever think of the logistics in putting up the goals & lining of pitches in such a short space of time?

[KolaKubes]

Will i suggest you on the hardest proccers on the relationships forum.

How fat are you?

Some very Langersy contributions to that thread from yourself, now that I read it.

I'm not fat.

[AmadeusDC]

Well amnesty international have a better chance of building a 70,000 seater stadium in London than West Ham do.

:D

-AmadeusDC-

[markinmanc]

The bit in bold is a fantasy idea. Did you ever think of the logistics in putting up the goals & lining of pitches in such a short space of time?


Vitesse have two pitches growing by the ground afaik. A municpal groujnd in Cork would rarely be used for football - GAA and rugger would be the main users.
My point was to biuld a 50,000-60,000 seater stadium with a 25,000 one nerby with a retractable. that one would be used for football.

Whatever I think abou the evil scumsuckers of the GAA, there is very little deelopment land left with the city boundaries - to give it over to one sporting organisation would be silly.

[homer jay]

Vitesse have two pitches growing by the ground afaik. A municpal groujnd in Cork would rarely be used for football - GAA and rugger would be the main users.
My point was to biuld a 50,000-60,000 seater stadium with a 25,000 one nerby with a retractable. that one would be used for football.

Whatever I think abou the evil scumsuckers of the GAA, there is very little deelopment land left with the city boundaries - to give it over to one sporting organisation would be silly.

indeed, they not called the Grab All Association for nothing!

[liam2me]

The bit in bold is a fantasy idea. Did you ever think of the logistics in putting up the goals & lining of pitches in such a short space of time?
Reading/london irish do it on a near weekly basis

[RonnyB]

Reading/london irish do it on a near weekly basis

You said play them in the space of a day. Can never see that happening in any stadium in the world.

[Rebelred]

Vitesse have two pitches growing by the ground afaik. A municpal groujnd in Cork would rarely be used for football - GAA and rugger would be the main users.
My point was to biuld a 50,000-60,000 seater stadium with a 25,000 one nerby with a retractable. that one would be used for football.

Whatever I think abou the evil scumsuckers of the GAA, there is very little deelopment land left with the city boundaries - to give it over to one sporting organisation would be silly.

you forget though, that there are club games on in Pairc Ui Caoimh throughout the summer. Intercounty GAA is nothing more than the equivalent of International soccer.

[Lamps]

George Hook did a piece on his show on this yesterday, no new info really but there is fierce jealousy over it already. Some Dub from the Sunday business post dismissed it out of hand, Hook also corrected the same lad who mentioned that the new pairc would be much bigger than the new "national stadium" being built, Hooky corrected him in a flash, its the new "national rugby stadium"

[3pointplay]

Will the tax-payers have to fork out?

[Lamps]

Will the tax-payers have to fork out?

unclear at the minute. the cork co board are rich but not to the tune of 400 million which is the figure being thrown about

[3pointplay]

unclear at the minute. the cork co board are rich but not to the tune of 400 million which is the figure being thrown about

Shitload of money, So i suppose the tax-payers will have to shell out towards it so?

[Rebelred]

Shitload of money, So i suppose the tax-payers will have to shell out towards it so?

it's unclear. everything at the minute is just submissions. There are no figures, no plans, nothing. Guesstimates at best.
Would you have a problem if the stadium did get a grant?

[3pointplay]

it's unclear. everything at the minute is just submissions. There are no figures, no plans, nothing. Guesstimates at best.
Would you have a problem if the stadium did get a grant?

I could think of spending the money on better things plus i don't think Cork Gaa will open it up to other sports so why should tax payers have to pay for a sports stadium which only one group will use, Why don't the Gaa go to the bank for a loan?

[RonnyB]

I could think of spending the money on better things plus i don't think Cork Gaa will open it up to other sports so why should tax payers have to pay for a sports stadium which only one group will use, Why don't the Gaa go to the bank for a loan?

People dont realise the money spin offs that GAA events create. Take the AI finals in Dublin. Every hotel, B&B, train, plane & bus sold out. It gets people spending their money.

Again I'd be in favour of opening up such a stadium for other purposes.

What I wouldnt be in favour of.

- changing the name away from GAA heritage to O2 Park or the like.
- Brian & the Goys taking on Portugal in a WC qualifier while Ben & Jerry have to face Pa Cronin & Shane O'Neill over in Pairc Ui Rinn for a county final.
- The FAI bidding for the European championships using the Pairc as a venue in the middle of the summer.

What I wouldnt mind.

- Sebastian Loeb & Petter Solberg cruise around the place for a stage of an Irish Rally or Cork 20.
- International matches involving rugby & soccer teams being played there while the stadium is idol in Feb & March
- Plenty of concerts in December & January.

All the above while making a mint on the profits to pay back the stadium costs.

[Rebelred]

I could think of spending the money on better things plus i don't think Cork Gaa will open it up to other sports so why should tax payers have to pay for a sports stadium which only one group will use, Why don't the Gaa go to the bank for a loan?

they do go to the bank for loans, but as with all sports organisations, they are entitled to apply for government funding. This applies to all sporting organistations, be they Soccer Rugby, Horse racing or GAA. As the government don't give two shits about providing sporting facilities for the people of this country, it's up to these organisations to do so and the GAA do this well, at local and now national levels. I presume that the Munstershire RFU have applied for lotto grants for the Thomond redevelopment, they'd be fools not to.
Plus, €400 million is currently nothing more than a fantasy pie in the sky figure and any grant sought would not be anywhere near that figure.

[3pointplay]

they do go to the bank for loans, but as with all sports organisations, they are entitled to apply for government funding. This applies to all sporting organistations, be they Soccer Rugby, Horse racing or GAA. As the government don't give two shits about providing sporting facilities for the people of this country, it's up to these organisations to do so and the GAA do this well, at local and now national levels. I presume that the Munstershire RFU have applied for lotto grants for the Thomond redevelopment, they'd be fools not to.
Plus, €400 million is currently nothing more than a fantasy pie in the sky figure and any grant sought would not be anywhere near that figure.

Getting funding has a bit to do with where the Minister for sport is from i bet.

[Rebelred]

Getting funding has a bit to do with where the Minister for sport is from i bet.
how's that now?

[3pointplay]

how's that now?

Just saying if the Minister was from Cork it would help the case big time, But then again maybe not.

[Rebelred]

Just saying if the Minister was from Cork it would help the case big time, But then again maybe not.

totally irrelevant to this whole docklands development plan

[3pointplay]

totally irrelevant to this whole docklands development plan

LOL:p

Did not even think of that.

[POL]

LOL:p

Did not even think of that.
schoolboy error in fairness

[3pointplay]

schoolboy error in fairness

Will do a 10 page report on my mistake.:p