Rogger world cup final.

[Lamps]

Well?

The Tans or Racists , whats it to be?

[POL]

All true Irishmen should be supporting England

[FL4ZGN]

I'll go with South Africa as the English are not used to the plastic pitch :)

[POL]

Amazing to think that nearly all Irish people will be rooting for the racists.

Will we ever mature a nation? The same cunts that will be sitting there in a ManYoo top watching eastenders with the sun beside them. FFS

Jonny Wilkinson is a credit to the sport and for him to come back and win another world cup would be the greatest achievement in the history of sport

[Sound]

As an aside, the Jonny stuff is fruitless, he's too well liked.

[Lamps]

In historical terms which is the more despicable nation?

The English probably brought some good along with a lot of bad but they did bad on a global scale, the South Africans just seemed to want to stay in the good oul 1800's but kept their bad more local. Hard to know, will get Pudgee on the case.

As for the game itself, I think England are stronger in the scrum, DuRant looks like he's feeling the years. Lineouts would be even enough, SA with a slight advantage in the backrow. England may have the trump card with Sir Johnny, the man is born to play in big games and if its tight he'll revel in the pressure. Not sure how much ball any of the backs will see, even last night SA's scores were all from Argentinian mistakes.

Its pretty even on all fronts.

[FL4ZGN]

In historical terms which is the more despicable nation?

The English probably brought some good along with a lot of bad but they did bad on a global scale, the South Africans just seemed to want to stay in the good oul 1800's but kept their bad more local. Hard to know, will get Pudgee on the case.

As for the game itself, I think England are stronger in the scrum, DuRant looks like he's feeling the years. Lineouts would be even enough, SA with a slight advantage in the backrow. England may have the trump card with Sir Johnny, the man is born to play in big games and if its tight he'll revel in the pressure. Not sure how much ball any of the backs will see, even last night SA's scores were all from Argentinian mistakes.

Its pretty even on all fronts.

Does the 36-0 hammering stand for nothing?

[Lamps]

As an aside, the Jonny stuff is fruitless, he's too well liked.

Au contraire, I was in town saturday night and i can report otherwise.

There is a strange divide with England when it comes to Rugger, I'm working on figuring it out. Not sure how the traditional jocks loyalties work. I know Ralph Keyes and the Con boys would like them, maybe its the pseudo jock nerds and bandwagoneers who hate them, but there is definitely a large element of it about

[Lamps]

Does the 36-0 hammering stand for nothing?

It should, but this world cup is a strange one

[Sound]

Au contraire, I was in town saturday night and i can report otherwise.

There is a strange divide with England when it comes to Rugger, I'm working on figuring it out. Not sure how the traditional jocks loyalties work. I know Ralph Keyes and the Con boys would like them, maybe its the pseudo jock nerds and bandwagoneers who hate them, but there is definitely a large element of it about

Fair enough. I must be in the other camp then. How could anyone not root for someone who's been through the injuries he has? A humble bloke to boot.

[Rebel Yell]

I think SA will win it now...they have the best all round side aside from AB's in the world plus the fact that they are not bottlers...

Their pack are more than a match for England.

One thing that arises from this Final...NZ now have only the Fourth best record in WC history...and whoever wins will join the Aussies on 2 WC's ...that will really rankle them...

[Lamps]

Fair enough. I must be in the other camp then. How could anyone not root for someone who's been through the injuries he has? A humble bloke to boot.

The best big game player there is.

[Lamps]

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Their pack are more than a match for England.


dunno about that. Argentina had them rocking with a lighter pack

[Lamps]

poll added.

[POL]

England don't lack physicality at the breakdown, that could be the key

[Sound]

I'm torn.

I've never encountered any set of fans as arrogant or ungracious as the South Africans. It's hard to put into words my distaste for them. The team is as cynical as the day is long and they're one-dimensional in the backs. On the other hand, Habana is a decent skin and at least they have one dimension in the backs!

England are a retrograde step for the game. They are not limited by a game-plan or a manager like Argentina and France. They're limited because they dont have any other choice. We'd also be hearing about it forever. But Jonny has earned every success literally in blood.

In short, Laporte is some langer!

[FRAP]

South Africa have definitely had the easier ride to the final but even last night against a knackered Argentinian side they scored four tries through the Argies errors rather than brilliant rugby of their own.
The 36-0 result will count for nothing and the Tans always play best as underdogs - and you don't beat Australia and France by being rubbish.
Having said that I think South Africa will edge it.

[#11sully]

All true Irishmen should be supporting England

You will be supporting South Africa so.

[#11sully]

South Africa all the way. Fuck the tans.

[Professor Piehead]

8 votes for SA, this is looking excellent for England, get out of the driving seat Ireland, we want a go.

[Professor Piehead]

Does the 36-0 hammering stand for nothing?

Yes.

[Lamps]

I've voted South Africa without much conviction. There is nothing certain about this tournament.

[Armitage Conway the 2nd]

Lewsey is a big loss for England, saying that though, i can see England sneek it.

[BangorFeen]

In historical terms which is the more despicable nation?

The English probably brought some good along with a lot of bad but they did bad on a global scale, the South Africans just seemed to want to stay in the good oul 1800's but kept their bad more local. Hard to know, will get Pudgee on the case.

As for the game itself, I think England are stronger in the scrum, DuRant looks like he's feeling the years. Lineouts would be even enough, SA with a slight advantage in the backrow. England may have the trump card with Sir Johnny, the man is born to play in big games and if its tight he'll revel in the pressure. Not sure how much ball any of the backs will see, even last night SA's scores were all from Argentinian mistakes.

Its pretty even on all fronts.

Much to discuss in this one. As for the merits of who to support, harping on about Racist/Imperialist pasts is bolloxs. Oh and have a word with the government of Angola WRT to the Yarpies "Keeping it Local"...

I'll be supporting England because I think the players themselves are a genuinely nice bunch, even the borderline psycho, Moody is mostly retaliatory and stand-up man for man punchy than a devious sneaky fucker like (for instant) Danny Grewcock or (heavens forfend) BOD. Habana is a quality player and much like the last time, if one guy could get a medal from the Saffie side, it would be him.

Now, on to the meat of your "discussion"
1). Being a heavier scrum means nothing without technique and Os Du Randt is a master of that area. Most of SA's difficulties in the scrum corresponded to the time he wasn't on the pitch
2). That Argentina pack would give any front 8 serious problems. England included. See point 1.
3). In any event, even if England DO shade the scrum, it'll count for very little has they lack the strike players to exploit it. They'll muddle around the fringes for ten yards, then knock on.
4). Slight advantage in the back row???? Corry v Burger? You're delusional, that SA back row pisses all over their English counterparts
5). Even if Johnny is on form, SA have in Percy Montgomery, a kicker in excellent form (better than Johnny this world cup) and also a specialist long-range kicker in Francois Steyn (he's scored a few from inside his own half at the RWC) so natch to that also.
6). The SA backs don't need to see much of it. Steyn, Pietersen and Habana all showed that they don need much of it to make things happen. As for the mistakes - pressure forces mistakes and when you've got strike runners in your team that can punish mistakes from 70 metres out that makes sides nervous.
7). Ppppffffffffffffffff ft, mockery, rattlement & etc.

England won't be beaten as easily as they were in the group stages but it'll still be a Saffie win.

[FRAP]

South Africa all the way. Fuck the tans.

I think the overall winner will come from tonights game. Out of the two I would prefer France but if NZ are on their game they will be very hard to stop.

Tough one to call. NZ haven't been tested yet and France have had at least two tough games, whatever anyone says about the Irish game, the French would have welcomed it. If NZ can keep the form going I can see them winning this one easly. Agree with the 10-15 pts but I wouldn't be surprised with a 25+ pt. win either if NZ play to their full potential(sp).

IMO I think your way off the mark there. Shouldn't you have NZ there instead of Ireland. After all they nearly always dissappoint their fans at the WC.

I'd expect Ireland to be italy though and go on to the semies.

Thank Christ you don;t forecast the weather !

[FRAP]

South Africa all the way. Fuck the tans.

Some early predictions of yours ...

I think the overall winner will come from tonights game. Out of the two I would prefer France but if NZ are on their game they will be very hard to stop.

Tough one to call. NZ haven't been tested yet and France have had at least two tough games, whatever anyone says about the Irish game, the French would have welcomed it. If NZ can keep the form going I can see them winning this one easly. Agree with the 10-15 pts but I wouldn't be surprised with a 25+ pt. win either if NZ play to their full potential(sp).

IMO I think your way off the mark there. Shouldn't you have NZ there instead of Ireland. After all they nearly always dissappoint their fans at the WC.

I'd expect Ireland to be italy though and go on to the semies.

Thank Christ you don't forecast the weather !

[Professor Piehead]

Some early predictions of yours ...

I think the overall winner will come from tonights game. Out of the two I would prefer France but if NZ are on their game they will be very hard to stop.

Tough one to call. NZ haven't been tested yet and France have had at least two tough games, whatever anyone says about the Irish game, the French would have welcomed it. If NZ can keep the form going I can see them winning this one easly. Agree with the 10-15 pts but I wouldn't be surprised with a 25+ pt. win either if NZ play to their full potential(sp).

IMO I think your way off the mark there. Shouldn't you have NZ there instead of Ireland. After all they nearly always dissappoint their fans at the WC.

I'd expect Ireland to be italy though and go on to the semies.

Thank Christ you don't forecast the weather !

Heh heh heh.

He's just like any other simpleton who uses the word 'Tans', really does have an effect of showing how retarded they are, I love it.l

[POL]

I think we can win if the the forwards keep it tight

[Lamps]

Heh heh heh.

He's just like any other simpleton who uses the word 'Tans', really does have an effect of showing how retarded they are, I love it.l

The problem with this place is the more you post the more you can be quoted

I don't want to be the bringer of bad news here but you may want to take a look at this ......;-)

Still not the finished article but you've gotta say the Tans are much improved and next week's game versus Australia should be a cracker.

or

A blog by Daily Telegraph writer Mick Cleary throws up some interesting points - I know it's sportish but why do we hate the Tans so much ...apart from the 800 years of course.

[POL]

division in the ranks!

[FRAP]

division in the ranks!

My English friends prefer to be called Tans rather than Brits.
In the same way that I would prefer to be called a Paddy than a Mick.

Talking of past quotes - here's one from Pol


I can see the AB's hockeying the Frogs, head to semis or final as hot favourites and then pull an Arland on it, like they nearly always do

[Lamps]

Bit of genuine advice lad, don't take everything on here so personally.

Else you'll end on here on saturday night in an SFI induced frenzy while i'm in the pub on the piss not thinking about the Proc till monday morning.

[FRAP]

Bit of genuine advice lad, don't take everything on here so personally.

Else you'll end on here on saturday night in an SFI induced frenzy while i'm in the pub on the piss not thinking about the Proc till monday morning.

You mean not able to think about the Proc on a Saturday night because

a. You can't afford broadband.
b. Your mam won't let you go online at home in case she catches you watching Redtube.

[Lamps]

You mean not able to think about the Proc on a Saturday night because

a. You can't afford broadband.
b. Your mam won't let you go online at home in case she catches you watching Redtube.

I sense great anger in you.

Just take the advice lad.

[FRAP]

Well here's me doing an Ali shuffle and just getting in the mood for some pugilism and the SFI are all snuffly and hungover on a Monday morning.

Lightweghts.

[Professor Piehead]

division in the ranks!

Exposed.

[STEVIEG]

Hard to call i'm gonna say England
To be honest, as underdogs I wouldn't be too upset if they won

Imagine what their over-hyped soccer community would make of two rugger World Cups wins to their one:)

[ho chi feen]

This is fucking excellent for France.

[POL]

Hard to call i'm gonna say England
To be honest, as underdogs I wouldn't be too upset if they wonshow a bit of pride in your jersey Steve FFS

[#11sully]

Some early predictions of yours ...

I think the overall winner will come from tonights game. Out of the two I would prefer France but if NZ are on their game they will be very hard to stop.

Tough one to call. NZ haven't been tested yet and France have had at least two tough games, whatever anyone says about the Irish game, the French would have welcomed it. If NZ can keep the form going I can see them winning this one easly. Agree with the 10-15 pts but I wouldn't be surprised with a 25+ pt. win either if NZ play to their full potential(sp).

IMO I think your way off the mark there. Shouldn't you have NZ there instead of Ireland. After all they nearly always dissappoint their fans at the WC.

I'd expect Ireland to be italy though and go on to the semies.

Thank Christ you don't forecast the weather !

Whats the problem with the above.
1) I thought that NZ would have won that game but I also said that I would have prefered France to win..
2) NZ didn't play to the standard they are well able to play at.
3) True
4) My opinion at the time.
5) I did. I said it would be sunny today. :rolleyes:

I think I have the right to an opinion about things just like yourself. Its very easy to come back and quote people after the game isnt it?

[cit_gym_rat]

i fancy south africa to win by 14 or so points, i think they have far too much fire power and will be able to pull away from england and this will force england to change their game plan, i for one cant see them scoring too many tries if any, but if england can hold them for the first half then who knows - if there is less than 3 in it after 60 minutes england will win.

[PatMan]

i fancy south africa to win by 14 or so points, i think they have far too much fire power and will be able to pull away from england and this will force england to change their game plan, i for one cant see them scoring too many tries if any, but if england can hold them for the first half then who knows - if there is less than 3 in it after 60 minutes england will win.

Jesus cgr - its a 2 horse race, and you are picking them both!!

[Professor Piehead]

Jesus cgr - its a 2 horse race, and you are picking them both!!

SFI modus operandi, he might make it yet.

[cit_gym_rat]

Jesus cgr - its a 2 horse race, and you are picking them both!!
no im picking South Africa to win

[xvis]

Argentina caused South Africa enough problems up front in the game to indicate that England have a very good chance, ..and England well deserved the win against the French, despite me wanting France to win their first tournament.

England to inconceivably win.


*jinxed*

[northmallexile]

In historical terms which is the more despicable nation?

The English probably brought some good along with a lot of bad but they did bad on a global scale, the South Africans just seemed to want to stay in the good oul 1800's but kept their bad more local. Hard to know, will get Pudgee on the case.


Somewhat of a self-serving comparison (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/10/16/rugby_a_reflection_o f_nations.html) from the Guardian on this. Contemporary rather than historical, mind.

[Lamps]

Somewhat of a self-serving comparison (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/10/16/rugby_a_reflection_o f_nations.html) from the Guardian on this. Contemporary rather than historical, mind.

Nice work. interesting read.

Wouldn't be that inclined to believe the English version of events, seems a bit dockers and doctors to me. As I understood it, league was the working mans game, union for the toffs.

Interesting the bit on 'Quinns, the apple didn't land far from the tree with oul salt of the earth Woody did it.

[northmallexile]

Nice work. interesting read.

Wouldn't be that inclined to believe the English version of events, seems a bit dockers and doctors to me. As I understood it, league was the working mans game, union for the toffs.

Interesting the bit on 'Quinns, the apple didn't land far from the tree with oul salt of the earth Woody did it.

Having lived in the West Country for a bit, I can say it's accurate enough there. Outside Bristol, Union's the main sport - there's no trace of League, and there's nothing posh about Gloucester rugby fans, nor indeed a large swathe of Bath fans (although, to be fair, Bath is quite a middle-class town to begin with).

[EDDIEB]

Nice work. interesting read.

Wouldn't be that inclined to believe the English version of events, seems a bit dockers and doctors to me. As I understood it, league was the working mans game, union for the toffs.

Interesting the bit on 'Quinns, the apple didn't land far from the tree with oul salt of the earth Woody did it.

Good article - read the comments from a Quins supporter below though.

[Lamps]

Good article - read the comments from a Quins supporter below though.

dockers and doctors lad.

your man is probably a vet and looked down upon