The Anthem Issue

[Lamps]

In the interest of fairness isn't it time that the Irish rugby team played God Save the Queen and Amhrán na bhFiann.

[RICH]

Wum Alert

[Lamps]

Wum Alert


me bollix.

this is a hot topic. looks like most jocks don't have a solution. they knock irelands call and bury their heads in the sand

[Sound]

Snow Patrol remixed by The Wolfe Tones.

[RICH]

me bollix.

this is a hot topic. looks like most jocks don't have a solution. they knock irelands call and bury their heads in the sand

in fairness, do you really think god save the queen would be appropriate for the ireland team??

[Widebhoy]

I think the best solution is to ditch the anthem and just have a minutes silence instead.

[RICH]

Snow Patrol remixed by The Wolfe Tones.

he he

[Lamps]

Lots of dodging going on, not many suggestions. I thought one of you could at least have gone with Danny Boy.

If the Prods(not my words) have to suffer the soldiers song(not my words) then wouldn't it only be fair to get the southern jocks to stand to GSTQ?

Well?

Or is it best for us to stick with Irelands Call

[Rebel Yell]

Lots of dodging going on, not many suggestions. I thought one of you could at least have gone with Danny Boy.

If the Prods(not my words) have to suffer the soldiers song(not my words) then wouldn't it only be fair to get the southern jocks to stand to GSTQ?

Well?

Or is it best for us to stick with Irelands Call



The latter...the Prods are in the minority on this island, they choose to wear the green jersey and your GSTQ spoofer suggestion is beyond ridiculous...if they have a problem with it they should declare for England ...

[kipto]

..........shure tis only rugby!.....

..i'll get me cloak

[Lamps]

The latter...the Prods are in the minority on this island, they choose to wear the green jersey and your GSTQ spoofer suggestion is beyond ridiculous...if they have a problem with it they should declare for England ...

its not beyond ridiculous, they used to stand for it.

[RICH]

The latter...the Prods are in the minority on this island, they choose to wear the green jersey and your GSTQ spoofer suggestion is beyond ridiculous...if they have a problem with it they should declare for England ...

very good point.

there are a lot of english players on the football team yet they agree to stand to the irish national anthem so why should it be different for the rugby team.

[Rebel Yell]

its not beyond ridiculous, they used to stand for it.

As did Irish teams of any international variety in days gone by...it's not accepted now though, as in the Ravenhill debate before the Ireland v Italy warm-up game...some high level rugby Prods up there wanted the GSTQ as had been the case in previous internationals played there (the last in 1954) , but the IRFU totally rejected this. Could not possibly see any of the Southern players entertaining that rogue unionist idea...

[mithrandir]

Why is GSTQ the Nordie anthem? Don't the Scots sing Flower Of Scotland and the Welsh sing Land of Our Fathers. Why use the English anthem to represent NI?

[Lamps]

Why is GSTQ the Nordie anthem? Don't the Scots sing Flower Of Scotland and the Welsh sing Land of Our Fathers. Why use the English anthem to represent NI?

They love the queen.

The Welsh and Scots, while British also have a national identity.

What do those langers have?

Take a drive up there sometime, the place is plastered in Union Jacks

[Lamps]

RebelYell (admin):

I like your idea of a united ireland, they do what we tell them or fuck off back to england. The cat is well and truly out of the bag.

[Professor Piehead]

How about this.....

Dont - dont close your heart to how you fee-eel
Drea-ea-eam, and dont be afraid the dreams no-ot real
Close your eyes, pretend its just the two of us again
Make believe this moments here to stay-ay-ay

Touch - touch me the way you used to do-oo
I know-ow-ow, tonight could be all Ill have with you
From now on, youll be with someone else instead of me
So tonight, lets fill this memory-y
For the last time

Hold me now
Dont cry, dont say a word
Just hold me now
And I will know though were apar-art
Well always be together
Forever in lo-o-ove
What do you say when words are not enou-ough

Time - time will be kind once were apar-art
And your tear-ear-ears - tears will have no place in your heart
I wish I - I could say how much Ill miss you when youre gone
How my love for you-ou will go on and on and

Hold me now
Dont cry, dont say a word
Just hold me now
And try to understand that
I hope at last youve found
What youve been searchin' for-or-or
And though I wont be there anymore-ore-ore
I will a-always lo-ove you

(Hold me now, dont cry)
Dont say a word
Just hold me now
And I will know though were apar-art
Well always be together
Forever in lo-o-ove
What do you say when words are not enou-ough
What can I say now my words are not enough...

[RonnyB]

How about this.....

Dont - dont close your heart to how you fee-eel
Drea-ea-eam, and dont be afraid the dreams no-ot real
Close your eyes, pretend its just the two of us again
Make believe this moments here to stay-ay-ay

Touch - touch me the way you used to do-oo
I know-ow-ow, tonight could be all Ill have with you
From now on, youll be with someone else instead of me
So tonight, lets fill this memory-y
For the last time

Hold me now
Dont cry, dont say a word
Just hold me now
And I will know though were apar-art
Well always be together
Forever in lo-o-ove
What do you say when words are not enou-ough

Time - time will be kind once were apar-art
And your tear-ear-ears - tears will have no place in your heart
I wish I - I could say how much Ill miss you when youre gone
How my love for you-ou will go on and on and

Hold me now
Dont cry, dont say a word
Just hold me now
And try to understand that
I hope at last youve found
What youve been searchin' for-or-or
And though I wont be there anymore-ore-ore
I will a-always lo-ove you

(Hold me now, dont cry)
Dont say a word
Just hold me now
And I will know though were apar-art
Well always be together
Forever in lo-o-ove
What do you say when words are not enou-ough
What can I say now my words are not enough...

All the Limerick mullackers will start singing 'twisty fries' in the middle of it so dont think that would work.

I think Flying Without Wings would be more appropriate seeing as Eddie has 2 natural centres at 11 & 14.

[Professor Piehead]

All the Limerick mullackers will start singing 'twisty fries' in the middle of it so dont think that would work.

I think Flying Without Wings would be more appropriate seeing as Eddie has 2 natural centres at 11 & 14.

What about Joe Dolan 'Oh me oh my.....' there's no show like an Ireland rugby show.

(unless England are playing)

[FL4ZGN]

All the Limerick mullackers will start singing 'twisty fries' in the middle of it so dont think that would work.

I think Flying Without Wings would be more appropriate seeing as Eddie has 2 natural centres at 11 & 14.

I hate to say it but the home of Rugby.

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Anything off 'Astral Weeks'.

[RonnyB]

I hate to say it but the home of Rugby.

Doesnt mean the guys who play it are the classiest. If they were from Cork or Leinster it'd be a different story.

[Lamps]

I hate to say it but the home of Rugby.

em...D4 lad.

of that there is no doubt

[Lamps]

Anything off 'Astral Weeks'.

"that lad, he can fuck off home to england"

rebel yell

if he's a prod

[Sound]

"that lad he can fuck off home to england"

rebel yell

Ex-squeeze me?

[POL]

Like Dublin, there are areas of Cork that are C4 and Limerick that are areas L4
Cork: Montenotte
Limerick; North Circular Road

etc

[FL4ZGN]

Like Dublin, there are areas of Cork that are C4 and Limerick that are areas L4
Cork: Montenotte
Limerick; North Circular Road

etc

GOLD.

[Lamps]

Ex-squeeze me?

get with the program.

[Sound]

get with the program.

Sling it.

:D

[EDDIEB]

Like Dublin, there are areas of Cork that are C4 and Limerick that are areas L4
Cork: Montenotte
Limerick; North Circular Road

etc

The people of Rochestown,Sundays Well,Shanakiel,Black rock,Model Farm Road and Douglas will not like that.

However the folk of kips like Passage,Carrigtohill and Coachford will take comfort.

[homer jay]

Like Dublin, there are areas of Cork that are C4 and Limerick that are areas L4
Cork: Montenotte

blackrock, bishopstown, pouladuff road...the list goes on i suppose

[Lamps]

Sling it.

:D

Van the Man, the protestant man, who needs to get the fock back to england if he doesn't like they way we run things. (not my words)

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blackrock, bishopstown, pouladuff road...the list goes on i suppose

:p

[Sound]

Van the Man, the protestant man, who needs to get the fock back to england if he doesn't like they way we run things. (not my words)

I tend not to wear a Celtic jersey listening to the stereo. Or a Rangers one for that matter. Take it up with RebelYell.

[POL]

Listening to the Wolf Tones wearing a Celtic jersey and drinking a pint of Guinness is the ultimate expression of Irishness, can't see best or Trimble doing that

[Sound]

Listening to the Wolf Tones wearing a Celtic jersey and drinking a pint of Guinness is the ultimate expression of Irishness, can't see best or Trimble doing that

Trimble is a regular visitor to Paradise and has a tattoo that is a remarkable likeness of the baul Walfrid. His grannies remain in rude health though.

Reliable source.

[Lamps]

As far as i can see the jocks are dodging the question.

Sound, whats your take on this?

EddieB, where are you eddieB?

At least RebelJockmin called a spade a spade and said if they don't like the way we do things they can fock off back to England.

[POL]

Trimble is a regular visitor to Paradise and has a tattoo that is a remarkable likeness of the baul Walfrid. His grannies remain in rude health though.

Reliable source.I was refering to David

[Sound]

As far as i can see the jocks are dodging the question.

Sound, whats your take on this?

EddieB, where are you eddieB?

At least RebelJockmin called a spade a spade and said if they don't like the way we do things they can fock off back to England.

They have been accommodated further than I'd like already with I.C. If they dont like it they can sling it.

[Lamps]

They have been accommodated further than I'd like already with I.C. If they dont like it they can sling it.

can i paraphrase that to "fock off back to england"

[Kipper]

Just play Amhrán na bhFiann, home and away. The northen lads don't seem to sing either anyway, so why should we have a special song just for them? What happens when there aren't any northerners playing?

[Sound]

can i paraphrase that to "fock off back to england"

If you consider the North to be England then, be my guest.

[SPOGGEM]

Amhráin na bhfian is the anthem nothing else should be played, tans or no tans.

[CHANCE]

Jaysus Lamps, you ask the hard questions in fairness to ya. I can't see why we should have GSTQ as our anthem, we aren't part of England of the UK. But in fairness Irelands Call is a disgrace. Phil Coulter has alot to answer for.

[Lamps]

Jaysus Lamps, you ask the hard questions in fairness to ya. I can't see why we should have GSTQ as our anthem, we aren't part of England of the UK. But in fairness Irelands Call is a disgrace. Phil Coulter has alot to answer for.

One and a half million people on this island are part of the UK and that team also represents them. If they have to stand for the Irish national anthem, isn't it only fair that GSTQ gets a run.

Just playing devils advocate, I knew it would stump the jocks.

[CHANCE]

One and a half million people on this island are part of the UK and that team also represents them. If they have to stand for the Irish national anthem, isn't it only fair that GSTQ gets a run.

Just playing devils advocate, I knew it would stump the jocks.

It did years ago when they played in the north, and obviously that didnt go down well, as it was rejected the last time around.

[D number 10]

i would like to see amhrann na bfhian played whatever about Irelands call. for example against the georgians the other night when they played that load of bollix ireland's call, it seemed to me that the players were not really interested in it. I don't think it stirs emotions and fire in the belly like amhrann na bfhian does. If u take the example of Croke Pk against the French , some players were crying, some doing well to hold back the tears. IMO u will never get that emotion from the players singing irelands call alone.
maybe we could borrow the welsh anthem... thats class!!

[POL]

Franno in action now on todayfm! over this issue

[Eau Rouge]

One and a half million people on this island are part of the UK and that team also represents them. If they have to stand for the Irish national anthem, isn't it only fair that GSTQ gets a run.

Just playing devils advocate, I knew it would stump the jocks.

GSTQ is nothing more than the anthem of one family that happen to live in the UK. It has no place representing neither England nor Northern Ireland.
'Danny Boy' is a song about Scotland.
'Soldiers Song' is only the anthem of the Republic, so should only be played in the Republic.
"God Save Ireland', great tune as it is, has two major faults, the whole "god" bit, and the fact the Free State is no more.

There is a gapping need for a new song here. Coulter's attempt at filling it doesn't work, something better is needed. Whats needed is a proper anthem for the entire island of Ireland.

On the same tack, why, when Derry, Tyrone or Antrim play in Croke Park do they not play GSTQ? I wouldn't agree with it, but it seems Lamps would not have a problem at all. Very 'mature' of him.

[homer jay]

maybe we should kick the 6 county fellas out of the 'ireland' team, and let them set up their own team. they can play whatever the fuck they like then.

not as if they're contributing much to the current team anyway.

[northmallexile]

On the same tack, why, when Derry, Tyrone or Antrim play in Croke Park do they not play GSTQ? I wouldn't agree with it, but it seems Lamps would not have a problem at all. Very 'mature' of him.

Londonderry, surely. As we're being mature about it.

[POL]

maybe we should kick the 6 county fellas out of the 'ireland' team, and let them set up their own team. they can play whatever the fuck they like then.

not as if they're contributing much to the current team anyway.ah jaysus, take it easy on them, its hard enough being slowly asslimated into a united Ireland

[Eau Rouge]

Or maybe having an all-island Rugby team is inherently the most nationalist Irish thing a sporting association can do. Is not a united Ireland the dream of every nationalist?
The GAA's efferts are admirable, though has serious issues with Loyalist participation which it should address, but serious questions should be asked for the other sporting bodies on the Island, both in the North and the Republic.

Rugby, the true sport of an Irish nationalist. I can see Edmund's head exploding already. :D

[homer jay]

ah jaysus, take it easy on them, its hard enough being slowly asslimated into a united Ireland

fuck um, at this stage i've had about enough of their fucking whinging. i'd be just as happy to close the borders on the cunts and that be the end of them.

[ho chi feen]

Why is GSTQ the Nordie anthem? Don't the Scots sing Flower Of Scotland and the Welsh sing Land of Our Fathers. Why use the English anthem to represent NI?

It's not the English anthem. It's the British anthem.

The question is why, when the Scots and Taffs are proud to sing their own anthems, do the Nordies and the English sing the British one?

[POL]

It's not the English anthem. It's the British anthem.

The question is why, when the Scots and Taffs are proud to sing their own anthems, do the Nordies and the English sing the British one?those orange cunts don't even know what they are themselves half the time, thats the problem

[cit_gym_rat]

It's not the English anthem. It's the British anthem.

The question is why, when the Scots and Taffs are proud to sing their own anthems, do the Nordies and the English sing the British one?
lets admit it the taffs and the scots anthems dont exactly call the british foe.

[Liathroidi Mor]

fuck um, at this stage i've had about enough of their fucking whinging. i'd be just as happy to close the borders on the cunts and that be the end of them.

I agree............tel l them F**k off and do their own thing and compete as Northern Ireland like their soccer team!!

[Eau Rouge]

lets admit it the taffs and the scots anthems dont exactly call the british foe.

Neither does ours.

[cit_gym_rat]

Neither does ours.
The Soldier's Song - Words / Lyrics

We'll sing a song, a soldier's song,
With cheering rousing chorus,
As round our blazing fires we throng,
The starry heavens o'er us;
Impatient for the coming fight,
And as we wait the morning's light,
Here in the silence of the night,
We'll chant a soldier's song.

Chorus:
Soldiers are we , whose lives are pledged to Ireland;
Some have come from a land beyond the wave.
Sworn to be free, No more our ancient sire land
Shall shelter the despot or the slave.
Tonight we man the gap of danger
In Erin's cause, come woe or weal
'Mid cannons' roar and rifles peal,
We'll chant a soldier's song.

In valley green, on towering crag,
Our fathers fought before us,
And conquered 'neath the same old flag
That's proudly floating o'er us.
We're children of a fighting race,
That never yet has known disgrace,
And as we march, the foe to face,
We'll chant a soldier's song.

Chorus

Sons of the Gael! Men of the Pale!
The long watched day is breaking;
The serried ranks of Inisfail
Shall set the Tyrant quaking.
Our camp fires now are burning low;
See in the east a silv'ry glow,
Out yonder waits the Saxon foe,
So chant a soldier's song.

[batinbird]

In the interest of fairness isn't it time that the Irish rugby team played God Save the Queen and Amhrán na bhFiann.
What anthem is played when the British@Irish Lions play.

[emurf]

What anthem is played when the British@Irish Lions play.

None, they're not a country

[batinbird]

None, they're not a country

I think we should get Ian Paisley to sing irelands call in Paris to- morrow night.That would really pander to our northern counterparts,and as were at it we will get Coulter to play the piano,after all he wrote the piece of shit.:p

[STEVIEG]

Fuck anthems

Sport should be about bringing people together, not separating them further

[batinbird]

Fuck anthems

Sport should be about bringing people together, not separating them further
If we get Bertie away from the tribunal,he could conduct the orchestra.:p

[Eau Rouge]

Saxon's are from what is today Northern Germany, and that's the poem from which the anthem is taken. The Anthem is just the chorus, that's all I've ever heard anyone ever sing.

[batinbird]

None, they're not a country

The official British @Irish Lions anthem is a specially composed song called THE POWER OF FOUR.;)

[wat_boy]

the protestant lads from ulster made the choice to pull on the green of Ireland and everything that comes with it including our anthem, its as simple as that really. if they don't want to hear our anthem then they should fuck off and play for one of the British sides imo

[Eau Rouge]

the protestant lads from ulster made the choice to pull on the green of Ireland and everything that comes with it including our anthem, its as simple as that really. if they don't want to hear our anthem then they should fuck off and play for one of the British sides imo

What part of the IRFU representing the whole island and not just the Republic do you not understand?

[Eoin]

Ideally the nordies would have their own anthem, other than GSTQ, and then both could be played both home and away.

Or else we could come up with a better joint anthem than Irelands Call. Honestly, I don't think its THAT bad, but jesus it doesn't instill the pride in the heart the way Amhran na bhFiann does. And it pales in comparison to the French, Welsh, Italian and Scottish anthems

[Lamps]

Ideally the nordies would have their own anthem, other than GSTQ, and then both could be played both home and away.



How bout the sash

[Tod Unctious]

A poster on another forum raised the issue of "Amhrann na bhFiann" being played at home along with another anthem that isn't shite, unlike the dirge, unstirring song that is "Irelands Call".
Alternatives from Thin Lizzy's "Boys are back in town" to Fields of Athenry (proposed by an Ulster Unionist) were suggested.
However both of these are non runners in my opinion.
Anyone ever heard of this? Written in commemoration of those who died in 1798 (A United Irish cause). Much more patriotic than the Phil Coulters attempt, and doesn't mention the "Saxon Foe" which may have riled some of those north of the border. But it mentions the Harp and fighting spirit.
(You'll have to ignore the intro, it goes on a little...)

The Minstrel Boy (http://www.stephen-foster-songs.de/MP3/amsong72.mp3)

Lyrics:
The minstrel boy to the war is gone,
In the ranks of death you'll find him;
His father's sword he hath girded on,
And his wild harp slung behind him;
"Land of Song!" cried the warrior bard,
"Tho' all the world betrays thee,
One sword, at least, thy right shall guard,
One faithful harp shall praise thee!"


The Minstrel fell! But the foeman's chain
Could not bring that proud soul under;
The harp he lov'd ne'er spoke again,
For he tore its chords asunder;
And said "No chains shall sully thee,
Thou soul of love and brav'ry!
Thy songs were made for the pure and free
They shall never sound in slavery!

[xvis]

my vote goes to Vertigo by U2

Ola!

[Langer Dan]

The loyallists are on TV3 , on Vincent Browne banging on about playing GSTQ at Irish matches.

Jokeshop.

[Professor Piehead]

The loyallists are on TV3 , on Vincent Browne banging on about playing GSTQ at Irish matches.

Jokeshop.

Great idea, Dustin the turkey could sing it.

[Kimeartimmyboy]

kilaloo
by a massed pipes and drums band
hair raising battle march of old/present irish regiments