Jose to Spurs....

[Teknique]

Not entirely true but if he took over , could he get them into the top 4 ?

[marco 2005]

nobody would, not even Mick Mc Carty.

[Teknique]

nobody would, not even Mick Mc Carty.

haha

[shtopem_floppen]

He won't take over.
First, no reason to sack Jol.
Second, probably couldn't afford his salary.
Third, highly doubt he'll stay in England cause of how much he liked Chelsea.

[marco 2005]

He won't take over.
First, no reason to sack Jol.
Second, probably couldn't afford his salary.
Third, highly doubt he'll stay in England cause of how much he liked Chelsea.

Agree with 2nd and 3rd reasons but the 1st one is horseshit...

no reason to sack the useless donkey?? here are few...

* Sunderland 1-0 Spurs
* Spurs 1-3 Everton
* Man Utd 1-0 Spurs
* Fulham 3-3 Spurs
* Spurs 1-3 Arsenal

So in brief, 6 games, 4 defeats, 1draw, 1 win (against an already relagated team, fucking brilliant)

[STEVIEG]

Jol has spent more than most managers and his team are not really progressing lately

Jose would be a great Boss at Spurs but they have an attacking tradition and a lot of fans would not be happy (they might get over it though)

Another reason why i can't see him replacing Fergie eventually, though he is a strong character and one of the few with the ability to command such respect of players

[kipto]

there is a possibility that jose would want to prove a point to roman just down the road at white hart lane

[shtopem_floppen]

Agree with 2nd and 3rd reasons but the 1st one is horseshit...

no reason to sack the useless donkey?? here are few...

* Sunderland 1-0 Spurs
* Spurs 1-3 Everton
* Man Utd 1-0 Spurs
* Fulham 3-3 Spurs
* Spurs 1-3 Arsenal

So in brief, 6 games, 4 defeats, 1draw, 1 win (against an already relagated team, fucking brilliant)

Appraising him over 38 games last season where he got them into the top 6 makes him a good manager.
Taking 6 games and calling him a donkey is myopic.
Or retarded. Depends how eloquent you are really.

[jd26]

My guess is that he'll do nothing for a while. After the next European Championships Big Phil will take over as United manager. Jose will become Portugal manager until the 2010 world cup. At Chelsea, Grant will be there with Clarke til the end of the season. Then Hiddink will come in.

[marco 2005]

Appraising him over 38 games last season where he got them into the top 6 makes him a good manager.
Taking 6 games and calling him a donkey is myopic.
Or retarded. Depends how eloquent you are really.

Im not only taking 6 games in consideration at all. I just took the start of this season as an example of his "not so good" results.

Since he moved to Spurs to replace Santini back in 2004, what has he achieved? what trophys has he actualy won?

A good coach is judged on his achievements: which in this particular case is: fuck all, nada, walou, not even a Carling cup. Maybe that 5th spot behind Arsenal in 2006 if that makes you happy.

Now, looking at the money spent, the number of quality players he's brought in and the time he's been given by the Spurs board (starting his 4th season), just making it to the top 6 isnt an achievment at all IMO, that all depends on your own standards though.

Jol is a just an average coach, my words were a bit strong alright but he just doesnt seem to be the one that's going to get Sp*rs to break into the top 4 .

His last trophy was a Dutch Cup winner back in 1997 by the way.

Im sure a Mourinho, a Deschamps a Ramos or a Cappello would get the job done but none of them is likely to make the move to WHL this season.

[afeencalleddan]

Jol has spent more than most managersStevie, I'd expect better knowledge from you. There are 2 things wrong with the above statement. First prize of a Mars bar to whoever can point them out.

[STEVIEG]

Stevie, I'd expect better knowledge from you. There are 2 things wrong with the above statement. First prize of a Mars bar to whoever can point them out.

He has recouped?

Forced to sell?

Spurs have brought in a load of players for big bucks and still underachieved IMO

[TonyCochrane]

Stevie, I'd expect better knowledge from you. There are 2 things wrong with the above statement. First prize of a Mars bar to whoever can point them out.
What's his face Comolli does most of the wheeling and dealing, buying Zokora, selling Carrick etc. Is that the answer you're looking for?

[afeencalleddan]

Since he moved to Spurs to replace Santini back in 2004, what has he achieved? what trophys has he actualy won?

A good coach is judged on his achievements: which in this particular case is: fuck all, nada, walou, not even a Carling cup. Maybe that 5th spot behind Arsenal in 2006 if that makes you happy.Much as it pains me to say it, 4th place or higher in the league is what it's all about these days. Cups are but a distraction when a club's board makes a big investment. God be with the days when winning the FA cup was really meaningful and the CWC and UEFA cups were worth being in.

Now, looking at the money spent, the number of quality players he's brought in and the time he's been given by the Spurs board (starting his 4th season), just making it to the top 6 isnt an achievment at all IMO, that all depends on your own standards though.Your misunderstanding is on a par with Stevie's.

[STEVIEG]

What's his face Comolli does most of the wheeling and dealing, buying Zokora, selling Carrick etc. Is that the answer you're looking for?

Can't be

Rafa or Jose or Fergie or Arsene don't do the wheeling and dealing but it is in their name

I'd be interested to see what is so very wrong about my statement

[STEVIEG]

Your misunderstanding is on a par with Stevie's.

Well?

[afeencalleddan]

What's his face Comolli does most of the wheeling and dealing, buying Zokora, selling Carrick etc. Is that the answer you're looking for?Spot on. The other mistake was that he's head coach as opposed to manager but that was a bit pedantic of me maybe.

[STEVIEG]

Spot on. The other mistake was that he's head coach as opposed to manager but that was a bit pedantic of me maybe.

Oh dear

[afeencalleddan]

Can't be

Rafa or Jose or Fergie or Arsene don't do the wheeling and dealing but it is in their name

I'd be interested to see what is so very wrong about my statementYeah but Stevie they get the players they want, Jol doesn't or maybe more to the point he gets certain players that he doesn't want. He didn't want Zokora and I'm not sure he really wanted Bent.

The respective boards of the clubs you mention above appreciate their managers' opinions as regards player purchases. There may be board members behind the scenes who do the actual deals but it's at the request of the managers/coaches. At Spurs Commoli has much more power and basically buys the players for Jol to coach and manage.

[STEVIEG]

Yeah but Stevie they get the players they want, Jol doesn't.

Fair point and i wasn't having a go (just in case you think i was, i like Spurs)

Carrick was a loss

Fergie and Jose would not have had to sell like that

[TonyCochrane]

Can't be

Rafa or Jose or Fergie or Arsene don't do the wheeling and dealing but it is in their name

I'd be interested to see what is so very wrong about my statement

Supposedly a lot of it goes on without Jol's say so and indeed against his wishes. I think this is fairly well known by Spurs fans (not that I am one, thank God).

[STEVIEG]

Supposedly a lot of it goes on without Jol's say so and indeed against his wishes. I think this is fairly well known by Spurs fans (not that I am one, thank God).

True enough

His hands are tied in some respect

Against this, there have still been some decent signings and the money has been there to a certain extent

Chimbonda (this to Wigan must be like Carrick to Spurs)
Bale (will be great)
Bent (too early too dismiss)
Berbie (very good)
Kaboul (finally back from injury)

[TonyCochrane]

This makes interesting on topic reading.

http://football.guardian.co .uk/News_Story/0,,2156440,00.html

[STEVIEG]

This makes interesting on topic reading.

http://football.guardian.co .uk/News_Story/0,,2156440,00.html

Read that before very interesting alright

[afeencalleddan]

i wasn't having a goNeither was I when pointing out your mistakes, just trying to clarify how things are done at Spurs cos so many don't seem to understand what's going on.

Back to the thread title, there's absolutely no point in Mourinho going to Spurs cos it would just be Jose versus the board part II.

[Jim Comic]

spurs 5-0 up in tonights uefa cup game

[STEVIEG]

Neither was I when pointing out your mistakes, just trying to clarify how things are done at Spurs cos so many don't seem to understand what's going on.

Back to the thread title, there's absolutely no point in Mourinho going to Spurs cos it would just be Jose versus the board part II.

Fair enough and good point about Jose but this strikes me as being just a little bit pedantic overall (calling these mistakes)

Bottom line is Jol as boss is responsible for the big spending as it is in the name of Spurs as a club

The lack of a top 4 finish and the lack of victories against the top 4 teams is a big problem, but one i hope they sort out

Their early season fixture list has been very tricky though and their injury problems have not helped in the last 12 months

Amazing stat about Robinson the other day

14 goals conceded this season from outside the area????????(surely this includes England if true)

A lot were deflections (i think), this sums up his and Spurs season so far

Tonight may give them a boost

[afeencalleddan]

Fair enough and good point about Jose but this strikes me as being just a little bit pedantic overall (calling these mistakes)

Bottom line is Jol as boss is responsible for the big spending as it is in the name of Spurs as a club

The lack of a top 4 finish and the lack of victories against the top 4 teams is a big problem, but one i hope they sort out

Their early season fixture list has been very tricky though and their injury problems have not helped in the last 12 months

Amazing stat about Robinson the other day

14 goals conceded this season from outside the area????????(surely this includes England if true)

A lot were deflections (i think), this sums up his and Spurs season so far

Tonight may give them a boostHe's not the boss though and it's unfair to him to call him the boss. However, I do think he's tactically inept and it shows up sorely in the big games. The cup qf at the Bridge last year was a perfect example of his inadequacies. On the whole though I think he has done a great job given the restrictive nature of his position and the way he has been treated of late. I would be in favour of him leaving if they could bring in a replacement who has achieved things in the game and is totally comfortable with the amount of sway Commoli has. I'd love to see what Jol could do if he was allowed to be the boss but it won't happen at Spurs.

[STEVIEG]

He's not the boss though and it's unfair to him to call him the boss. However, I do think he's tactically inept and it shows up sorely in the big games. The cup qf at the Bridge last year was a perfect example of his inadequacies. On the whole though I think he has done a great job given the restrictive nature of his position and the way he has been treated of late. I would be in favour of him leaving if they could bring in a replacement who has achieved things in the game and is totally comfortable with the amount of sway Commoli has. I'd love to see what Jol could do if he was allowed to be the boss but it won't happen at Spurs.

Cool well you know better than I

I thought that he wielded a bit more power but as you say, i'm not up to par with it as much as yourself or Spurs fans

What i can't understand is the way that Spurs representatives supposedly were courting Ramos a few games into the season

very disrespectful IMO

If Jol was to be got rid of, it should surely have been in the summer

The mentality at Spurs in these big games was very apparent to me in the cup match at Stamford bridge last spring, where Spurs led 3-1 (lazy Mido was particularly guilty and was rightly sold)

Then again, even that day, it was only a matter of inches between a 4-3 victory that could have changed their season


They had bad luck now against Unted 3 games on the bounce, Liverpool (Robbie Keane miss), and a few more

The replay and the UEFA Cup games further dented the teams ability in the league, and the weird thing is, it could happen again this year (the UEFA Cup seems to have more games at dodgier times)

[marco 2005]

He's not the boss though and it's unfair to him to call him the boss. However, I do think he's tactically inept and it shows up sorely in the big games. The cup qf at the Bridge last year was a perfect example of his inadequacies. On the whole though I think he has done a great job given the restrictive nature of his position and the way he has been treated of late. I would be in favour of him leaving if they could bring in a replacement who has achieved things in the game and is totally comfortable with the amount of sway Commoli has. I'd love to see what Jol could do if he was allowed to be the boss but it won't happen at Spurs.

Dont like Spurs at all but happy to learn a bit about them though.

Never actually knew he wasnt the real boss there and just assumed most of the transfers decisions were his.