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POL
05-09-2007, 10:08 AM
Great Article by Neil Francis in the Tribune

Drug-free World only for dopes

A CHICKEN and an egg are lying in bed. The chicken is smoking a cigarette with a satisfied smile on its face and the egg is frowning and looking just a little bit pissed off. The egg then mutters to no one in particular "Well, I guess we answered 'that' question".

Chicken and egg situations . . .where would the politicians be without first referring to the humble chicken and egg to get their point across.

Take doping for example; you really do have to have doping procedures in place, namely comprehensive in and out of competition testing before I suppose you go about catching some of these fiendish dope cheats. Egg comes before the chicken . . . it's beginning to pay dividends. At least even the most innocent and wide-eyed are now aware of what is going on.

Let's just do a little audit of the major international sports around just so that we know what we are dealing with in terms of doping.

Let's start with cycling . . . corrupt in the most absolute form. The really big fish might not have been caught in the past because their chemists and masking agents are vastly superior to the authority's ability to detect . . . but some of the big boys have been caught.

The US of A has a kaleidoscope of drugfuelled competition. Baseball tops the list . . .

body shape tells you that they are nearly all on something and having read Jose Canseco's autobiography where he named names . . . lots of them . . . there wasn't one single writ. Tacit acceptance that that is the status quo. The game is rotten . . . it's not even policed and when the big boys are outed nothing is done but at least we all know. American Football . . . 90 per cent of all linemen, linebackers, defensive ends and maybe thinning out to 30-40 per cent for the skill players. Basketball too . . . a greater mix of substance abuse with a far higher ratio of 'recreational drugs' . . . but still they are dying on the courts in college and at the pros.

Swimming . . . tainted to the point of farce.

The disturbing element is that some countries seem to have established systematic doping programmes. At least we know what is going on and about one in 10 is arbitrarily plucked out and given a year or two ban.

Weightlifting . . . joke shop. Most of the martial arts and boxing . . . a high quotient of abuse here as well. Every now and again you hear that some bloke with a Bulgarian sounding name had testosterone levels which were 20 times the normal count . . . then you realise it was a bird. Track and field . . . rotten to the core . . . this house is an Osaka free-zone. Times, and distances are all down. Maybe they are all waiting for a Golden League event to break a world record. Get a hundred grand or so and of course the testing is far less rigid than at the major championships.

Tennis is the big one . . . the sport is addled.

Nandrolone seems to be the drug of choice.

Particularly the women's game . . . forget about the big muscle formation or the increased power . . . if you need to look for suspicions check the braces on their teeth and the spots.

Foundation can only do so much to hide the spotty faces. One of the players in particular on the men's circuit could play running back for the San Francisco 49ers.

The winter Olympics. The speed events:

something from Balco. The long distance stuff: EPO . . . also the drug of choice for rowers.

Soccer too . . . quite apart from the use of cocaine which I think is more than just a recreational drug. I think it has performanceenhancing capabilities if taken in moderation . . . ask anyone who has ever taken it. How many Italian and Spanish sides have been accused of systematic doping? Once again when the body shape changes . . . and changes dramatically . . . you have got to ask questions.

Horses and dogs. Well they don't have a choice.

Formula One and snooker. Beta blockers do wonders to calm the nerves.

Golf. When someone like Gary Player says he suspects that there could be four or five players taking performance enhancing drugs on the US tour . . . brave thing to say in a gentlemen's game, particularly when you are a god. Yet again check out the body shapes (except for John Daly). I wouldn't disagree with him.

So that's our little mini-audit done on the sporting world. I think I've managed to damn just about every major sport. In most cases though there are reasonable controls and policies in place and a goodly percentage of the big fish are caught, humiliated and then banned.

So that's the end of the article for this week . . . enjoy your Sunday lunch and we'll see you next week.

"Sorry?"

"Rugby union."

"Of course, I am clean as a whistle."

"My God, are you sure? Certain? This could blow the lid off rugby union forever! Go ahead and tell them."

"Me?"

"Alright."

Hang on to your pants folks this is the big cahoona. In 2005 Edwin Shimenga . . . you read it right . . . had an adverse analytical finding for the prohibited substance Hydrochlorothiazide. Kenyan rugby is reeling after his twoyear ban. The IRB have gone into conclave to see if they can hold the game of rugby together after this devastating . . . nay, terminal blow . . . Shimenga shay it ain't sho.

I might be wrong but Edwin Shimenga and the Namibian player Roger Thompson are the only senior international players to be caught using performance-enhancing drugs since 2000.

Next week 600 rugby players gather together for the sixth Rugby World Cup. The body shape and physique of all of these players bears no resemblance to the first Rugby World Cup that I played in 1987 nor to the last in 1995, nor does it even come close to the average physique in the 2003 competition only four years ago. This group of athletes are without question the most dynamic group of athletes in the world. They have power, pace and physical conditioning which is unrivalled in comparison to a lot of the sports chronicled earlier in this piece. They have superior muscle formation and negligible body fat counts . . . which way to the beach? You've all seen the World Cup warm-up matches. Everyone of them is a physical phenomenon. And so you say . . .

every other code is rotten from the top down and yet this band of warriors are squeaky.

No senior international has been found guilty of a doping offence in any of the previous five World Cups or in the Six Nations for that matter. Amazing isn't it? The IRB is doing one hell of a job on its anti-doping programme. Funny so that Bernard Laporte should take out a spoon and start stirring.

"There is regular monitoring in France.

The player cannot dope himself . . . well he can, but he will be caught. But what is happening in New Zealand or in England? You cannot be sure of anything. The only certainty is that there are dope tests at international matches. But they are only on urine and you have to go further than that."

Laporte is lobbing some high calibre stones from his glasshouse but I have to say that I agree with him. If the IRB were serious about doping they would insist on blood samples as well as urine. If the players don't want to donate then they don't play . . . they are used to giving blood in any case, it shouldn't be an issue. The IRB have promised a strenuous testing programme at the World Cup . . . probably 10-12 weeks too late.

If I was a coach and I felt the need to juice my players up I would have taken them away for two to three weeks or so . . . a million miles from anywhere and go to work on them . . . do a six-week programme and have them humming by the time the cup is due. A lot of the serious teams did go away for high-intensity sessions . . . including Ireland. But I could say with reasonable certainty that to a man Ireland are clean. I can't say it about any of the other major contenders though.

It is stretching credibility to suggest that all players are clean but that is what is going to happen. The IRB will announce a drug-free World Cup and the rest of the world will look on and say "bollocks to that, blinkey".

For the purposes of credibility I hope they do catch someone eventually and that he is further up the food chain than Edwin Shimenga so that I can believe again.

LES BLEUS SET TO OPEN TOURNAMENT WITH A BANG WORLD CUP POOL D FRANCE v ARGENTINA Friday, Stade de France, 8.00 Live, TV3/Setanta Referee T Spreadbury (Eng) There'll be all sorts of shenanigans going on at the Stade de France before this World Cup opener and a fair bit during it as well we don't doubt. It will also hold bucket loads of significance for Ireland.

Firstly, it will offer Eddie O'Sullivan's men a proper look at the two teams that stand between them and the quarter-finals. Ireland, according to their coach at any rate, have been holding plenty back in the past couple of weeks. There'll be no room for either of these sides to put anything on ice though.


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POL
05-09-2007, 10:08 AM
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Secondly, the outcome of the game will also give Ireland a fair pointer as to what they need to achieve against Georgia and Namibia. World Cup rules state that if there's a tie at the top once all games have been played, the winner of the fixture between the two sides tied is given the nod. However, if three teams are level, then the pool winner and runner-up will be decided by points difference.

Therefore if France win on Friday, it's unlikely that there'll be a threeway tie at the top of the pool, meaning that it wouldn't matter all that much how many points Ireland notch up against the pool's minnows. If, however, the Pumas emerge victors you'd put your money on all three sides finishing level at the end of the pool (Argentina beat France, France beat Ireland, Ireland beat Argentina).

This would make the points scored against Georgia and Namibia extremely important. So at least Ireland will have a heads-up.

As for the game itself, Argentina have beaten France in four of their last five meetings and the very fact that most of the Pumas squad play in the Top 14 means that they won't necessarily view this as an away fixture. That said, it's difficult to look beyond France and their captain Rafael Ibanez (right) given their form. They've no injuries right now, unlike Argentina who have several doubts.

Sound
05-09-2007, 10:15 AM
Why does it take Franno to say something for people to start paying attention?

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showpost.php?p=16450 45&postcount=10

cantankerous bastard
05-09-2007, 10:17 AM
Meh

POL
05-09-2007, 10:17 AM
I always enjoy Frannos articles, he doesn't close ranks like the rest of the jocks in the old boys network

Lamps
05-09-2007, 10:22 AM
Why does it take Franno to say something for people to start paying attention?

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showpost.php?p=16450 45&postcount=10

Think i mentioned this also Sound and lambasted for giving some seriously genuine anecdotal evidence.

Rugby is rife with drug use.

Fair play to Franno on this one.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 10:23 AM
I always enjoy Frannos articles, he doesn't close ranks like the rest of the jocks in the old boys network

Thats why jocks like Prionsias hate him

Lamps
05-09-2007, 10:28 AM
i was actually sourcing some quotes from Big Neil Francis on drug use in rugby.
these are the lines i found to spout. shocking

"Since 1988, members of the Irish rugby squad have taken illegal performance-enhancing drugs.
"Even players performing in the AIL have taken anabolic steroids to improve their efficiency."

BUMP

posted a year and a half ago.

was he sued I wonder?

Rebel Yell
05-09-2007, 10:34 AM
His articles are always good ...at worst, funny and at best highly controversial...one of the good ones there.

I don't think he's wrong here...the supreme conditioning of the modern top level rugby player has to raise some eyebrows...like how they can get such quality work in along with the huge physical toll on the body and demands of the games themselves and don't tell me the 10-12 week pre-season lead-in weights and conditioning programmmes are solely responsible for this increase in player size and power...

Lamps
05-09-2007, 10:36 AM
His articles are always good ...at worst, funny and at best highly controversial...one of the good ones there.

I don't think he's wrong here...the supreme conditioning of the modern top level rugby player has to raise some eyebrows...like how they can get such quality work in along with the huge physical toll on the body and demands of the games themselves and don't tell me the 10-12 week pre-season lead-in weights and conditioning programmmes are solely responsible for this increase in player size and power...

There built like WWF wrestlers, and even they're being kicked out for drugs now.

I remember seeing England in 2003 and it was obvious to me, and everyone, that something fishy was going on. Neil Back especially for some reason(the ledge)

POL
05-09-2007, 10:41 AM
Should be called the "pharmaceutical world cup"

Sound
05-09-2007, 10:45 AM
Franno also mentions that he doesn't think any of the current Irish panel are doing it- you can therefore support thhe cleanest team ouyt there.

How nice.

raZor
05-09-2007, 10:57 AM
There built like WWF wrestlers, and even they're being kicked out for drugs now.

I remember seeing England in 2003 and it was obvious to me, and everyone, that something fishy was going on. Neil Back especially for some reason(the ledge)

easy there Lamps O'Carroll Kelly

Glenagow
05-09-2007, 11:11 AM
I seem to remember reading or hearing somewhere that in rugby there is a disproportionate number of registered asmatheics and this can be used as a masking agent. Anybody else hear anything like this?

Sound
05-09-2007, 11:15 AM
It's not really the pros they have to worry about IMO. It's the young fellas coming through that decide to artificially bulk up a couple of times before they're even on the radar. Once they get the muscle on, it's very possible to keep it there.

mirps
05-09-2007, 11:23 AM
His articles are always good ...at worst, funny and at best highly controversial...one of the good ones there.

I don't think he's wrong here...the supreme conditioning of the modern top level rugby player has to raise some eyebrows...like how they can get such quality work in along with the huge physical toll on the body and demands of the games themselves and don't tell me the 10-12 week pre-season lead-in weights and conditioning programmmes are solely responsible for this increase in player size and power...

But then you'd have think it of any such sport. GAA players aren't big because they simply don't have the time to train. Look at aussie rules, these cunts are a massive. The size of setanta now compared to 4 years ago, and you can almost guarantee he's not taking anything.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 11:29 AM
Franno also mentions that he doesn't think any of the current Irish panel are doing it- you can therefore support thhe cleanest team ouyt there.

How nice.

did you read my post from last year.

he's only being nice, at the end of the day he's still a nasty jock and wouldn't want to get them caught up in a drugs scandal the week before the tournament

Tube a Pringles
05-09-2007, 11:29 AM
There were plenty of guys on steroids at schoolboy level when I was playing.....and of course there was no testing. It was even recommended to myself, although not by anyone connected with the school, but in the provincial and national setup. As someone said, once you have developed "that" neck and shoulder muscle structure, it's easier to maintain it thereafter a bit more legally.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 11:29 AM
I seem to remember reading or hearing somewhere that in rugby there is a disproportionate number of registered asmatheics and this can be used as a masking agent. Anybody else hear anything like this?

ah, you refer to good oul Frankie Ventolin.

FFS

Lamps
05-09-2007, 11:30 AM
But then you'd have think it of any such sport. GAA players aren't big because they simply don't have the time to train. Look at aussie rules, these cunts are a massive. The size of setanta now compared to 4 years ago, and you can almost guarantee he's not taking anything.

Setanta isn't a patch on a rugger jock

Rebel Yell
05-09-2007, 11:31 AM
But then you'd have think it of any such sport. GAA players aren't big because they simply don't have the time to train. Look at aussie rules, these cunts are a massive. The size of setanta now compared to 4 years ago, and you can almost guarantee he's not taking anything.

Ah, Aussie Rules players are far leaner than the average rugby player...Setanta is benefiting from full-time professional training and of course, he is older now.... he was a skinny kid going over there. But these guys are generally carrying much less muscle mass than the top rugby guys...I'm not saying it's not possible to get naturally big gains in size over a relatively short period, but i'd be very surprised if EVERY player at the RWC has done so without the aid of drugs...

Lamps
05-09-2007, 11:34 AM
There were plenty of guys on steroids at schoolboy level when I was playing.....and of course there was no testing. It was even recommended to myself, although not by anyone connected with the school, but in the provincial and national setup. As someone said, once you have developed "that" neck and shoulder muscle structure, it's easier to maintain it thereafter a bit more legally.

great post. I've been told by a jock aqquaintance a number of years back that they were a lot of them taking steroids, again this was probably before the big professional push.

every see the difference between the jocks who play at 15 to the jocks at 18. Normal sized lads suddenly grow big fat necks and wide shoulders. Its a disgrace.

disgusting

mirps
05-09-2007, 11:34 AM
Ah, Aussie Rules players are far leaner than the average rugby player...Setanta is benefiting from full-time professional training and of course, he is older now.... he was a skinny kid going over there. But these guys are generally carrying much less muscle mass than the top rugby guys...I'm not saying it's not possible to get naturally big gains in size over a relatively short period, but i'd be very surprised if EVERY player at the RWC has done so without the aid of drugs...

Yeah, true, there is bound to be some... Kinda depressing really.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 11:36 AM
Yeah, true, there is bound to be some... Kinda depressing really.

Jock media would have you think it was the cleanest sport in the world.

Fair play to Franno. This is being swept under the carpet.

Any youngfella getting involved in this thing would wanna be dog wide.

Sound
05-09-2007, 11:36 AM
did you read my post from last year.

he's only being nice, at the end of the day he's still a nasty jock and wouldn't want to get them caught up in a drugs scandal the week before the tournament

Are you renting that cherry-picker by the day? How does this effect your support for the bigger, better, faster, stronger NZ?

POL
05-09-2007, 11:37 AM
Their livers are falling apart at 16 from creatine abuse

Sound
05-09-2007, 11:38 AM
Their livers are falling apart at 16 from creatine abuse

Along with every inter-county footballer in the land. Should creatine be banned?

Lamps
05-09-2007, 11:40 AM
Are you renting that cherry-picker by the day? How does this effect your support for the bigger, better, faster, stronger NZ?

Still supporting NZ.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 11:40 AM
Along with every inter-county footballer in the land. Should creatine be banned?

Looks like we've found a creatine junkie. Nice work

Sound
05-09-2007, 11:44 AM
Looks like we've found a creatine junkie. Nice work

Indeed.

I get a great rate for bulk buys off Seán Óg.

Sound
05-09-2007, 11:46 AM
Still supporting NZ.

'Debate' ends.

There was nearly a thread of substance there. Well avoided.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 11:49 AM
'Debate' ends.

There was nearly a thread of substance there. Well avoided.

I could disregard the whole tournament on the basis that they are all on drugs but where would that leave me?

On the high moral ground without a sinner around.

The Drugs Issue will remain, you ain't getting away that easy.

Superior
05-09-2007, 11:50 AM
Check out all the bald rugby players. What's that about? Not rocket science.

Sound
05-09-2007, 11:51 AM
I could disregard the whole tournament on the basis that they are all on drugs but where would that leave me?

On the high moral ground without a sinner around.

The Drugs Issue will remain, you ain't getting away that easy.

What if the French win it? They run a testing program that's pretty exemplary in field sports.

Getting away? Try harder.

Sound
05-09-2007, 11:52 AM
Check out all the bald rugby players. What's that about? Not rocket science.

:?:

Lamps
05-09-2007, 11:59 AM
What if the French win it? They run a testing program that's pretty exemplary in field sports.

Getting away? Try harder.

They're on drugs too, all you did was read Franno's article.

The evidence is there for all to see.

Superior
05-09-2007, 12:00 PM
:?:



Steroids do not cause baldness, however, they can speed the process up for those who are going to lose it anyway. Steroids convert largely into DHT, causing hair loss to quicken. Steroids that are derivatives of DHT can also promote baldness. Hair loss, in the vast majority of cases, is an irreversible process.

Take any 15 guys in society. Take a rugby team. Take our rugby team. Notice anything?

Sound
05-09-2007, 12:03 PM
They're on drugs too, all you did was read Franno's article.

The evidence is there for all to see.


They run the most stringent program around. What do you want them to do?

Sound
05-09-2007, 12:04 PM
Steroids do not cause baldness, however, they can speed the process up for those who are going to lose it anyway. Steroids convert largely into DHT, causing hair loss to quicken. Steroids that are derivatives of DHT can also promote baldness. Hair loss, in the vast majority of cases, is an irreversible process.

Take any 15 guys in society. Take a rugby team. Take our rugby team. Notice anything?

I did not know that. It was a genuine question.

Superior
05-09-2007, 12:12 PM
I did not know that. It was a genuine question.

I know. Just. Answering. Like. William. Shatner.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 12:12 PM
Steroids do not cause baldness, however, they can speed the process up for those who are going to lose it anyway. Steroids convert largely into DHT, causing hair loss to quicken. Steroids that are derivatives of DHT can also promote baldness. Hair loss, in the vast majority of cases, is an irreversible process.

Take any 15 guys in society. Take a rugby team. Take our rugby team. Notice anything?

nice work. maybei misunderestimated you, as such

Lamps
05-09-2007, 12:13 PM
They run the most stringent program around. What do you want them to do?

or so they say.

remember Carl Lewis

Superior
05-09-2007, 12:14 PM
nice work. maybei misunderestimated you, as such

:rolleyes:

I'll tell Franno you liked his piece as well.

POL
05-09-2007, 12:17 PM
look at Denis Hickey, he had a grand head of hair then it disappeared

Sound
05-09-2007, 12:18 PM
or so they say.

remember Carl Lewis

True, very true.

But it's a darn sight better than running none at all or just one in name like most field sports.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 12:20 PM
Hickey, Dempsey, Keith Wood, O Connell losing his, Darcy losing it, The swerve half bald, Stringer bald. Hayes bald. the rest are thinning at amazing rates. Very fishy.

This could well explain ROG having a wig

Superior
05-09-2007, 12:21 PM
Hickey, Dempsey, Keith Wood, O Connell losing his, Darcy losing it, The swerve half bald, Stringer bald. Hayes bald. the rest are thinning at amazing rates. Very fishy.

This could well explain ROG having a wig

Not in a position where as much emphasis is put on build and physique.

POL
05-09-2007, 12:23 PM
interesting....think ing about all No 10's seem to have a full head of hair, what a fucking mockery

Lamps
05-09-2007, 12:24 PM
True, very true.

But it's a darn sight better than running none at all or just one in name like most field sports.

the evidence is before our eyes. I'd like to use the linford christie defence if i may, it was plainly obvious to everyone that this man was on drugs, he kept improving(rapidly) after the age of 29/30, suddenly became more muscular, running best times of his life. He was never really caught, until he fucked up in semi-retirement but EVERYONE knew he was on something.

Its the same with these jocks, its plainly obvious.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 12:24 PM
interesting....think ing about all No 10's seem to have a full head of hair, what a fucking mockery

stringer is like a little body builder, and not a hair on his head

Sound
05-09-2007, 12:25 PM
Hickey, Dempsey, Keith Wood, O Connell losing his, Darcy losing it, The swerve half bald, Stringer bald. Hayes bald. the rest are thinning at amazing rates. Very fishy.

This could well explain ROG having a wig

LOL :lol:

Superior
05-09-2007, 12:28 PM
stringer is like a little body builder, and not a hair on his head

We're through the looking glass here people.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 12:32 PM
We're through the looking glass here people.

I sense you are liking your taste of exposure, this is what it's like being a member of the SFI, continually exploding myths and destroying media creations.

Can you imagine making that langer Matt Cooper retract the Special Olympics myth to the nation, that's the business we're in.

The drugs issue could be the next biggie. Must keep digging

raZor
05-09-2007, 12:45 PM
Hickey,Dempsey, Keith Wood, O Connell losing his, Darcy losing it, The swerve half bald Stringer bald. Hayes bald. the rest are thinning at amazing rates. Very fishy.

This could well explain ROG having a wig

tut tut

Superior
05-09-2007, 12:50 PM
I sense you are liking your taste of exposure, this is what it's like being a member of the SFI, continually exploding myths and destroying media creations.

Can you imagine making that langer Matt Cooper retract the Special Olympics myth to the nation, that's the business we're in.

The drugs issue could be the next biggie. Must keep digging


That'd be me out of a job. Stop now, for the love of God!

Proinsias
05-09-2007, 01:18 PM
There were plenty of guys on steroids at schoolboy level when I was playing.....and of course there was no testing. It was even recommended to myself, although not by anyone connected with the school, but in the provincial and national setup. As someone said, once you have developed "that" neck and shoulder muscle structure, it's easier to maintain it thereafter a bit more legally.

I haven't read this thread (still getting through it), but you're right, there's naff all testing at schoolboy and AIL level. That's where the real problem is, IMO.

This is a very poor article by Franno though. Conjecture and opinion presented as fact. Horrific journalism. Not saying it doesn't happen in rugby but saying "oh, isn't cycling horrible, isn't American Football full of drugs, rugby must be full of drugs".

No mention of rugby league, very little mention of the absolute and utter lack of drugs convictions among football, cricket, crazy speculation on a number of sports, worst of all in tennis "The women have muscles, thus they must be on drugs"

I can't take him seriously.

Superior
05-09-2007, 01:21 PM
He's got the background though.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 01:22 PM
I can't take him seriously.

Have you ever taken anything?

Do you know anyone who has?

Proinsias
05-09-2007, 01:23 PM
He's got the background though.
As a crappy journalist and a player who had talent but squandered it?

Proinsias
05-09-2007, 01:24 PM
Have you ever taken anything?

Do you know anyone who has?

No, I haven't. Never been offered or anything either.


I don't know anyone who has, except there were rumours about one lad at a particular musgrave park based club.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 01:24 PM
Franno has a point.

In a sport where the players are bigger and faster than nearly any other, there are virtually no drugs convictions and little in the way of testing procedures or programs.

Its dirty, Its obvious

Lamps
05-09-2007, 01:25 PM
No, I haven't. Never been offered or anything either.


I don't know anyone who has, except there were rumours about one lad at a particular musgrave park based club.

Now you know why you didn't make it

Superior
05-09-2007, 01:25 PM
As a crappy journalist and a player who had talent but squandered it?

Well, that's debatable - but I meant that he was actually involved in the game at a high level and is likely to have considerable experience in the field.

I like his stuff. Don't really know anything about his playing career.

Proinsias
05-09-2007, 01:31 PM
Now you know why you didn't make it

Nope, that's cause I decided to focus on my studies. Figured I'd make a far better engineer than rugby player. Got offered a bit of cash to play at about 19/20 but it would have involved 4 nights a week training, which was too much to be able to continue with college.

Not sure I could have put in the sort of training those guys do, didn't have the single minded focus.

Rebel Yell
05-09-2007, 02:30 PM
Well, that's debatable - but I meant that he was actually involved in the game at a high level and is likely to have considerable experience in the field.

I like his stuff. Don't really know anything about his playing career.

Good journo, and was a good lineout specialist as a player...but he was a lazy fucker...could win lineout ball all day if he was bothered, but could be anonymous when he wasn't ...and the latter was an all too frequent occurrence...

...suffered from the same lazy Leinster second-row syndrome as Malcolm O'Kelly displays to excellent effect at times...

Lamps
05-09-2007, 02:32 PM
Good journo, and was a good lineout specialist as a player...but he was a lazy fucker...could win lineout ball all day if he was bothered, but could be anonymous when he wasn't ...and the latter was an all too frequent occurrence...

...suffered from the same lazy Leinster second-row syndrome as Malcolm O'Kelly displays to excellent effect at times...

Said he'd pwn O'Connell or O Call if they were amatuers like him, cos they can't jump.

He'd be right is suspect

Proinsias
05-09-2007, 02:36 PM
Said he'd pwn O'Connell or O Call if they were amatuers like him, cos they can't jump.

He'd be right is suspect

Paul O'Connell would have put the fear of god into him.


Donnacha would have possibly have attacked him with a flock of geese.

Sound
05-09-2007, 02:37 PM
Francis had some horrendous injury problems so I've always found the lazy description a bit lazy TBH.

He was also not a patch on POC but he'd have a case against O' Callaghan.

POL
05-09-2007, 02:42 PM
Paul O'Connell would have put the fear of god into him.


Donnacha would have possibly have attacked him with a flock of geese.
He would in his fuck,Davy Tweed would have made shit of him

Lamps
05-09-2007, 02:54 PM
Paul O'Connell would have put the fear of god into him.


Donnacha would have possibly have attacked him with a flock of geese.

I know a jock, yes I know, who told me that Franno was the most naturally strong man he ever met. Would have twice the strength of the commen garden jock.

O'Connell wouldn't have made the amatuer team according to Franno and I believe him

POL
05-09-2007, 02:54 PM
I know a jock, yes I know, who told me that Franno was the most naturally strong man he ever met. Would have twice the strength of the commen garden jock.

O'Connell wouldn't have made the amatuer team according to Franno and I believe himO'Conell has been eating tubs of creatine since he was 12 years old

Lamps
05-09-2007, 02:54 PM
Francis had some horrendous injury problems so I've always found the lazy description a bit lazy TBH.

He was also not a patch on POC but he'd have a case against O' Callaghan.

did you read the article?

Sound
05-09-2007, 02:58 PM
did you read the article?

Yup. I'm a Turbine man.

Lamps
05-09-2007, 03:00 PM
Yup. I'm a Turbine man.

From memory think he reckoned O Connell couldn't handle work deadlines, downing pints and chicken suppers and still do the business on the field

Sound
05-09-2007, 03:06 PM
From memory think he reckoned O Connell couldn't handle work deadlines, downing pints and chicken suppers and still do the business on the field

Something like that but Franno has never underestimated himself. That estimation and reality are uneasy bedfellows.

Tube a Pringles
05-09-2007, 03:07 PM
From memory think he reckoned O Connell couldn't handle work deadlines, downing pints and chicken suppers and still do the business on the field


.......and a Malboro red at half time.

nemo7
05-09-2007, 03:09 PM
theres drug testing at all international levels from schools up snd all the professionals would take creatine and other stuff like

Eau Rouge
05-09-2007, 03:13 PM
The US of A has a kaleidoscope of drugfuelled competition. Baseball tops the list . . .



Utter Tosh. Baseball, or Bonds, gets the media attention, but any sports fan in the States will tell you the NFL has far more users of illegal drugs than baseball.

the puerto rican feen
05-09-2007, 03:47 PM
No mention of rugby league, very little mention of the absolute and utter lack of drugs convictions among football, cricket, crazy speculation on a number of sports, worst of all in tennis "The women have muscles, thus they must be on drugs"

I can't take him seriously.

He is not far off the mark, Operation Puerta in Spain, revealed that cyclists, tennis players and footballers were clients of Eufemiano Fuentes.


Only the cycling element was highlighted due to an attempt (feeble) by the sports organizers to clean it up

captainshamrock
05-09-2007, 05:48 PM
He was a lazy cunt on the field and he's carried that over to his writing. Read the tribune online and after a few sentences think 'this is Francis' and check and it always is. Its alway obvious because he writes like a child and is generally looking for attention.
Remember once he was standing off a ruck doing nothing as usual and facing the wrong way when a player came in and slamed into him from behind and he crumpled. The whole bar cheered. He's a clown.
No idea if drugs is a problem at international level. The only ones you would be suspicious are the All Blacks but just because there is no evidence doesn't mean it is true.

Eoin
06-09-2007, 02:42 AM
Ah, Aussie Rules players are far leaner than the average rugby player...Setanta is benefiting from full-time professional training and of course, he is older now.... he was a skinny kid going over there. But these guys are generally carrying much less muscle mass than the top rugby guys...I'm not saying it's not possible to get naturally big gains in size over a relatively short period, but i'd be very surprised if EVERY player at the RWC has done so without the aid of drugs...

There's been loads of trouble with drugs in the AFL in the last couple of years. One of their top players had to be sent to california for rehab after getting hooked on crystal meth, and by all accounts he/s not the only one at it.

If players are able to get away with taking recreational drugs regularly enough to get addicted, then you have to question whether the testing is up to scratch.