delusion at it's best

[liam2me]

Former head coach Andy Robinson says England are certain to reach the semi-finals of the World Cup in France.

The tournament gets under way on Friday, with England's first match against the USA scheduled a day later.

And Robinson has disregarded those who are writing off England's chances of making an impact, telling BBC Radio 5live: "I've got a hunch about England.

"They will certainly get to the semis and, from there, they've got the one-off players to reach the final."

Robinson was sacked as England coach in November last year after 25 months in the job, during which time the team lost 13 of their 22 games played.

And under successor Brian Ashton, the team have slipped to seventh in the world rankings, making them outsiders for the tournament.

Robinson added: "New Zealand will obviously start the tournament as favourites, with France also looking strong and you can never write off Australia.

"But I've got a feeling for England."

The former Bath flanker dismissed claims by Lawrence Dallaglio that England, who left for France on Monday, go into the tournament ill-prepared after failing to build on the success of their 2003 triumph under Clive Woodward and Robinson.

Veteran number eight Dallaglio told BBC1's Inside Sport: "The planning process for this World Cup has only just started really.

"It should have started the day after the last one. But for two or three years after the World Cup we were still basking in the success of 2003."

Robinson countered: "I don't agree with that. Of course, 2003 was magnificent but after that everyone was focusing on 2007.

"But, yes, a review of what's happened over the last four years is necessary so that England are as best prepared for future tournaments as they can be."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6975857.stm

erm, right, ok then, looks like he got away from the nurses for the day.

i wonder does anyone take him seriously?

[homer jay]

erm, right, ok then, looks like he got away from the nurses for the day.

i wonder does anyone take him seriously?

that's two of yis then

[Roman Abramovich]

i clicked into this thread with a glimmer of hope.

[Who Are You]

i clicked into this thread with a glimmer of hope.

and saw a glint of despair?

[cantankerous bastard]

I wouldnt write off england, purely because there is zero expectation on them, which is unusual for them to be so unburdened, there's no denying that means less pressure than usual for them.

They are capable of at least one shock result, but not of making any serious dent in the competition.

[legend76]

i clicked into this thread with a glimmer of hope.

Ditto

[Loftydog]

Depending on where they finish in their group they will be playing either wales or australia. Both are very beatable for england.

And besides, he wouldnt be as deluded as oh lets say a supporter of a team who spent most of the season in the bottom three believing that they are genuine rivals to the likes of united and liverpool

[Professor Piehead]

I wouldnt write off england, purely because there is zero expectation on them, which is unusual for them to be so unburdened, there's no denying that means less pressure than usual for them.

They are capable of at least one shock result, but not of making any serious dent in the competition.

I shall remember this post.

[liam2me]

I wouldnt write off england, purely because there is zero expectation on them, which is unusual for them to be so unburdened, there's no denying that means less pressure than usual for them.

They are capable of at least one shock result, but not of making any serious dent in the competition.
they will come second in their group to SA, at which point they will play Aus in the quarters, and that will be lights out for them, anything different will be a huge shock

[legend76]

they will come second in their group to SA, at which point they will play Aus in the quarters, and that will be lights out for them, anything different will be a huge shock

the wise old sage has spoken. followers take heed of his words of wisdom

[Professor Piehead]

they will come second in their group to SA, at which point they will play Aus in the quarters, and that will be lights out for them, anything different will be a huge shock

http://www.chantcd.com/lyrics/not_worthy.gif

[liam2me]

http://www.chantcd.com/lyrics/not_worthy.gif
i could be wrong, but is that not what the welsh sing?

[Professor Piehead]

i could be wrong, but is that not what the welsh sing?

No. It's just a catholic hymn, I thought the words suited you quite well.

[liam2me]

No. It's just a catholic hymn, I thought the words suited you quite well.
i'm pretty sure its a welsh rugby song too

[homer jay]

i'm pretty sure its a welsh rugby song too

you'll forgive us if we don't believe you.

[Professor Piehead]

i'm pretty sure its a welsh rugby song too

It could be, I'm not a big rugby fan really, I only watch England when they're in world cup finals.

[Proinsias]

i could be wrong, but is that not what the welsh sing?

It's not.

[POL]

exposed

[liam2me]

It's not.
yeah you're right, i'm thinking of this one

http://www.welsh-nutter.co.uk/songs/breadofheaven.html

[liam2me]

exposed
coming from the proven on all counts, fraud, liar, idiot and hypocrite, that's a bit rich

[POL]

and badly exposed at that

[liam2me]

and badly exposed at that
good to see you can admit to it when you've been found out

[POL]

Heh heh heh

I actually thought reading the title that this was going to be a thread exclusively for Liam to post on.

:lol!:

[AmadeusDC]

coming from the proven on all counts, fraud, liar, idiot and hypocrite, that's a bit rich

Ahh the old pot and kettle.........

-AmadeusDC-

[3pointplay]

Former head coach Andy Robinson says England are certain to reach the semi-finals of the World Cup in France.

The tournament gets under way on Friday, with England's first match against the USA scheduled a day later.

And Robinson has disregarded those who are writing off England's chances of making an impact, telling BBC Radio 5live: "I've got a hunch about England.

"They will certainly get to the semis and, from there, they've got the one-off players to reach the final."

Robinson was sacked as England coach in November last year after 25 months in the job, during which time the team lost 13 of their 22 games played.

And under successor Brian Ashton, the team have slipped to seventh in the world rankings, making them outsiders for the tournament.

Robinson added: "New Zealand will obviously start the tournament as favourites, with France also looking strong and you can never write off Australia.

"But I've got a feeling for England."

The former Bath flanker dismissed claims by Lawrence Dallaglio that England, who left for France on Monday, go into the tournament ill-prepared after failing to build on the success of their 2003 triumph under Clive Woodward and Robinson.

Veteran number eight Dallaglio told BBC1's Inside Sport: "The planning process for this World Cup has only just started really.

"It should have started the day after the last one. But for two or three years after the World Cup we were still basking in the success of 2003."

Robinson countered: "I don't agree with that. Of course, 2003 was magnificent but after that everyone was focusing on 2007.

"But, yes, a review of what's happened over the last four years is necessary so that England are as best prepared for future tournaments as they can be."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6975857.stm

erm, right, ok then, looks like he got away from the nurses for the day.

i wonder does anyone take him seriously?

Well the players did as they are in the semi-finals now.

[Rebelred]

Well the players did as they are in the semi-finals now.

these players clearly know nothing about rugby :D

[Who Are You]

Former head coach Andy Robinson says England are certain to reach the semi-finals of the World Cup in France.

The tournament gets under way on Friday, with England's first match against the USA scheduled a day later.

And Robinson has disregarded those who are writing off England's chances of making an impact, telling BBC Radio 5live: "I've got a hunch about England.

"They will certainly get to the semis and, from there, they've got the one-off players to reach the final."

Robinson was sacked as England coach in November last year after 25 months in the job, during which time the team lost 13 of their 22 games played.

And under successor Brian Ashton, the team have slipped to seventh in the world rankings, making them outsiders for the tournament.

Robinson added: "New Zealand will obviously start the tournament as favourites, with France also looking strong and you can never write off Australia.

"But I've got a feeling for England."

The former Bath flanker dismissed claims by Lawrence Dallaglio that England, who left for France on Monday, go into the tournament ill-prepared after failing to build on the success of their 2003 triumph under Clive Woodward and Robinson.

Veteran number eight Dallaglio told BBC1's Inside Sport: "The planning process for this World Cup has only just started really.

"It should have started the day after the last one. But for two or three years after the World Cup we were still basking in the success of 2003."

Robinson countered: "I don't agree with that. Of course, 2003 was magnificent but after that everyone was focusing on 2007.

"But, yes, a review of what's happened over the last four years is necessary so that England are as best prepared for future tournaments as they can be."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6975857.stm

erm, right, ok then, looks like he got away from the nurses for the day.

i wonder does anyone take him seriously?


2me-vision at its best again ......

[afeencalleddan]

Liam, I think it's time to do a 50 Cent.

[STEVIEG]

I'd be interested to see his predictions for the Champions League

We could start chalking one team off

[3pointplay]

I'd be interested to see his predictions for the Champions League

We could start chalking one team off

This is his Heroes power, Taking down teams on the internet.:p

[xvis]

to be fair to Liam this is another disasterous speculation for him, but..


..he was the only one saying all along that the All Blacks were very beatable.

so I make that 726 wrong predictions for the year, and 1 correct.

..a moments silence for the board please.

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

This RWC hasn't been kind to liam.

[ho chi feen]

to be fair to Liam this is another disasterous speculation for him, but..


..he was the only one saying all along that the All Blacks were very beatable.

so I make that 726 wrong predictions for the year, and 1 correct.

..a moments silence for the board please.

Yes indeed, and let's be honest here- although it was never beyond the realm of imaginable, who here really thought they would make the semis?

Many of us would scoffed at the idea (I remember putting up an arcticle by Eddie Butler back in January which plotted out the English route to the semis for ridicule, which was laughed at).

I'd go so far as to say that labelling talk of England making the semis before the tournament began would have qualified as deluded in most people's books. But then, if someone had told you after the Argentina game that the French would knock out the ABs, you'd have laughed them out of town also.

So let's just be fair on this one.

[Professor Piehead]

Yes indeed, and let's be honest here- although it was never beyond the realm of imaginable, who here really thought they would make the semis?

Many of us would scoffed at the idea (I remember putting up an arcticle by Eddie Butler back in January which plotted out the English route to the semis for ridicule, which was laughed at).

I'd go so far as to say that labelling talk of England making the semis before the tournament began would have qualified as deluded in most people's books. But then, if someone had told you after the Argentina game that the French would knock out the ABs, you'd have laughed them out of town also.

So let's just be fair on this one.

I wish to fawk there was a Sweet Valley High forum.

[Professor Piehead]

to be fair to Liam this is another disasterous speculation for him, but..


..he was the only one saying all along that the All Blacks were very beatable.

so I make that 726 wrong predictions for the year, and 1 correct.

..a moments silence for the board please.

http://forums.maxima.org/images/smilies/faint.gif

[FRAP]

Hindsight is such a wonderful thing.
So is hubris.
Witness this assessment of Australia V England from the Sydney Morning Herald.
Such bad losers those Aussies.

Australia v England

George Hook, the Irish rugby pundit and an assistant coach of the USA at the inaugural World Cup, last week summed up England's chances of winning the quarter-final against Australia: if they win, it will be the worst game of the tournament. In other words England will have to bring Australia down to their level to have any chance.

Hook's assessment was clever in that it didn't write off England entirely, as many were prone to do, while also damning their style of rugby.

Viewers of the Scotland-Italy game may beg to differ, but last night's game does have some claim to be the worst game of the World Cup. But Hook's comment has a flaw. To bring Australia "down to their level", England had to exert control, not just rely on a flimsy performance from the Wallabies.

England controlled possession. They were predictably dominant in the scrum, but critically they also won the honours at the breakdown.

The men in white attacked the breakdown in numbers and with energy enabling them to efficiently recycle their possession, while forcing turnovers and generally disrupting the Wallabies.

The scrum was diabolical. By RugbyHeaven's reckoning there was not one successfully contested scrum in the first half. The first two scrums resulted in long-arm and short-arm penalties to the Wallabies, but after that referee Allain Rolland seem to think the Australians were the perpetrators of the problems.

Just why he thought England were at fault initially but the Wallabies after that, only Rolland knows, but what is most perplexing is his failure to start showing yellow cards for the complete breakdown of one of the game's fundamental platforms.

Yes last night's game was terrible, but England recognised their limitations, played well within those confines and played positively. That leave's only one team as the culprit - the error-riddled Wallabies.

That said, there is no way England can win next week, as they cannot score enough points. Twelve against the Wallabies was enough for this encounter, but they will not enjoy the same amount of possession against their semi-final opponent and they have a porous midfield.

Now, would anyone like to talk about the cricket?
Posted by SMH Online
October 7, 2007 2:31 AM

[Professor Piehead]

Hindsight is such a wonderful thing.
So is hubris.
Witness this assessment of Australia V England from the Sydney Morning Herald.
Such bad losers those Aussies.

Australia v England

George Hook, the Irish rugby pundit and an assistant coach of the USA at the inaugural World Cup, last week summed up England's chances of winning the quarter-final against Australia: if they win, it will be the worst game of the tournament. In other words England will have to bring Australia down to their level to have any chance.

Hook's assessment was clever in that it didn't write off England entirely, as many were prone to do, while also damning their style of rugby.

Viewers of the Scotland-Italy game may beg to differ, but last night's game does have some claim to be the worst game of the World Cup. But Hook's comment has a flaw. To bring Australia "down to their level", England had to exert control, not just rely on a flimsy performance from the Wallabies.

England controlled possession. They were predictably dominant in the scrum, but critically they also won the honours at the breakdown.

The men in white attacked the breakdown in numbers and with energy enabling them to efficiently recycle their possession, while forcing turnovers and generally disrupting the Wallabies.

The scrum was diabolical. By RugbyHeaven's reckoning there was not one successfully contested scrum in the first half. The first two scrums resulted in long-arm and short-arm penalties to the Wallabies, but after that referee Allain Rolland seem to think the Australians were the perpetrators of the problems.

Just why he thought England were at fault initially but the Wallabies after that, only Rolland knows, but what is most perplexing is his failure to start showing yellow cards for the complete breakdown of one of the game's fundamental platforms.

Yes last night's game was terrible, but England recognised their limitations, played well within those confines and played positively. That leave's only one team as the culprit - the error-riddled Wallabies.

That said, there is no way England can win next week, as they cannot score enough points. Twelve against the Wallabies was enough for this encounter, but they will not enjoy the same amount of possession against their semi-final opponent and they have a porous midfield.

Now, would anyone like to talk about the cricket?
Posted by SMH Online
October 7, 2007 2:31 AM

Who cares, we won, they lost, the end.

[Koko-mo]

Former head coach Andy Robinson says England are certain to reach the semi-finals of the World Cup in France.

The tournament gets under way on Friday, with England's first match against the USA scheduled a day later.

And Robinson has disregarded those who are writing off England's chances of making an impact, telling BBC Radio 5live: "I've got a hunch about England.

"They will certainly get to the semis and, from there, they've got the one-off players to reach the final."

Robinson was sacked as England coach in November last year after 25 months in the job, during which time the team lost 13 of their 22 games played.

And under successor Brian Ashton, the team have slipped to seventh in the world rankings, making them outsiders for the tournament.

Robinson added: "New Zealand will obviously start the tournament as favourites, with France also looking strong and you can never write off Australia.

"But I've got a feeling for England."

The former Bath flanker dismissed claims by Lawrence Dallaglio that England, who left for France on Monday, go into the tournament ill-prepared after failing to build on the success of their 2003 triumph under Clive Woodward and Robinson.

Veteran number eight Dallaglio told BBC1's Inside Sport: "The planning process for this World Cup has only just started really.

"It should have started the day after the last one. But for two or three years after the World Cup we were still basking in the success of 2003."

Robinson countered: "I don't agree with that. Of course, 2003 was magnificent but after that everyone was focusing on 2007.

"But, yes, a review of what's happened over the last four years is necessary so that England are as best prepared for future tournaments as they can be."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6975857.stm

erm, right, ok then, looks like he got away from the nurses for the day.

i wonder does anyone take him seriously?

.

[raZor]

You've got to admire the team and coaching staff they came into the tournament probably the least likely of the 6 Nations to get to the quarters and talk of banana skins against Somoa, but they kept the head down bouncing back from a thumping defeat and can honestly expect to win the tournament now, SA won't thump them again thats for sure.

[M&M]

What were the odds of England winning it at the start of the tournament I wonder?

[Aphex]

erm, right, ok then, looks like he got away from the nurses for the day.

let's hope you don't...

[3pointplay]

Former head coach Andy Robinson says England are certain to reach the semi-finals of the World Cup in France.

The tournament gets under way on Friday, with England's first match against the USA scheduled a day later.

And Robinson has disregarded those who are writing off England's chances of making an impact, telling BBC Radio 5live: "I've got a hunch about England.

"They will certainly get to the semis and, from there, they've got the one-off players to reach the final."

Robinson was sacked as England coach in November last year after 25 months in the job, during which time the team lost 13 of their 22 games played.

And under successor Brian Ashton, the team have slipped to seventh in the world rankings, making them outsiders for the tournament.

Robinson added: "New Zealand will obviously start the tournament as favourites, with France also looking strong and you can never write off Australia.

"But I've got a feeling for England."

The former Bath flanker dismissed claims by Lawrence Dallaglio that England, who left for France on Monday, go into the tournament ill-prepared after failing to build on the success of their 2003 triumph under Clive Woodward and Robinson.

Veteran number eight Dallaglio told BBC1's Inside Sport: "The planning process for this World Cup has only just started really.

"It should have started the day after the last one. But for two or three years after the World Cup we were still basking in the success of 2003."

Robinson countered: "I don't agree with that. Of course, 2003 was magnificent but after that everyone was focusing on 2007.

"But, yes, a review of what's happened over the last four years is necessary so that England are as best prepared for future tournaments as they can be."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6975857.stm

erm, right, ok then, looks like he got away from the nurses for the day.

i wonder does anyone take him seriously?

Poor Liam.

[cit_gym_rat]

ill tell you one things lads

this is fucking great for ireland

[raZor]

I'm sure we can all agree that England have lit this tournament up like a motherfucker.

[Koko-mo]

Johnny's drop goal was a key fob kinda thing, it was complicated as feck I must admit though

[cit_gym_rat]

the way i see it now is if the boks beat the pumas - the boks will beat england - they have the game breakers in the backs to pull away from engalnd and force them out of their game plan of drop goals and penalties.

if the pumas win there will be nothing in it in the final - the team that makes the least amount of mistakes will win it by less than 3 points

[Professor Piehead]

Thanks Liam.

[cit_gym_rat]

Thanks Liam.
worst thing you could hope for now is liam saying england will win it

[FRAP]

Okay - hostage to fortune time.
South Africa will beat Argentina AND the Tans in the Final ( by more than double figures ) and even if they don't and the Tans go on to win, that thin-lipped,sarcastic browl Franno will still blame the referee/ball/pitch/half-time cup of tea,feller who parked his 98 Mondeo at the ground,missus for not giving him a tug that morning , for the result.

[liam2me]

well fuck me sideways, after the build up, who would have thought it

[ho chi feen]

the way i see it now is if the boks beat the pumas - the boks will beat england - they have the game breakers in the backs to pull away from engalnd and force them out of their game plan of drop goals and penalties.

Except they probably fucking won't- not the way this tournament is going.

Reckon the Argies probably would do them, but (much as i'd love to see it), I don't think they'll get past the kaffir lovers.

[ho chi feen]

well fuck me sideways, after the build up, who would have thought it

Still though... I think you called SA to do well. Granted, they're not going to meet the all-blacks.

[liam2me]

Still though... I think you called SA to do well. Granted, they're not going to meet the all-blacks.
i did call the saffers but i wouldn't mind seeing the bargies do well either now

[Kenneth Hickey]

yes but not 100% frap

now if SA win the world cup we will have liam saying he told us so because a few months ago he agreed with me when i said they would win it.

that said liam then preached how it was irelands to loose, the all blacks to loose,

i did call the saffers but i wouldn't mind seeing the bargies do well either now

Well done twoomey kid, another gem!

[liam2me]

Well done twoomey kid, another gem!

you gotta love the johnny come lately's who think they can jump on the bandwagon, lets see you back that up with a thought of your own

yes but not 100% frap

now if SA win the world cup we will have liam saying he told us so because a few months ago he agreed with me when i said they would win it.

that said liam then preached how it was irelands to loose, the all blacks to loose,

ha, i had said long before you even thought of it that SA would be there abouts, i even backed them at 16-1 after the 2006 3N, and i posted that on here at the time too, so you can quit with the lies that you came up with it first.

[Kenneth Hickey]

mmmmm your gay! :-D

[liam2me]

mmmmm your gay! :-D
worst comeback, EVER

[3pointplay]

worst comeback, EVER

You should put up that picture of the cat bitch slapping the dog with that come back Liam, Granted KH comment was a 1/10.

[Langer Dan]

Former head coach Andy Robinson says England are certain to reach the semi-finals of the World Cup in France.

The tournament gets under way on Friday, with England's first match against the USA scheduled a day later.

And Robinson has disregarded those who are writing off England's chances of making an impact, telling BBC Radio 5live: "I've got a hunch about England.

"They will certainly get to the semis and, from there, they've got the one-off players to reach the final."

Robinson was sacked as England coach in November last year after 25 months in the job, during which time the team lost 13 of their 22 games played.

And under successor Brian Ashton, the team have slipped to seventh in the world rankings, making them outsiders for the tournament.

Robinson added: "New Zealand will obviously start the tournament as favourites, with France also looking strong and you can never write off Australia.

"But I've got a feeling for England."

The former Bath flanker dismissed claims by Lawrence Dallaglio that England, who left for France on Monday, go into the tournament ill-prepared after failing to build on the success of their 2003 triumph under Clive Woodward and Robinson.

Veteran number eight Dallaglio told BBC1's Inside Sport: "The planning process for this World Cup has only just started really.

"It should have started the day after the last one. But for two or three years after the World Cup we were still basking in the success of 2003."

Robinson countered: "I don't agree with that. Of course, 2003 was magnificent but after that everyone was focusing on 2007.

"But, yes, a review of what's happened over the last four years is necessary so that England are as best prepared for future tournaments as they can be."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6975857.stm

erm, right, ok then, looks like he got away from the nurses for the day.

i wonder does anyone take him seriously?

poor Liam.:(

[Langer Dan]

So hes backed the Irish, the All Blacks and now the Sprinkboks.


They must be gnashing their teeth is frustration in Johannesburg.

Why Liam, Why have you damned them so?


Also, getting behind a team on the cusp of the final? Nostradamus would be proud:)


Lit up like a motherfucking space cadet.

[3pointplay]

http://owned15863

[liam2me]

So hes backed the Irish, the All Blacks and now the Sprinkboks.


They must be gnashing their teeth is frustration in Johannesburg.

Why Liam, Why have you damned them so?


Also, getting behind a team on the cusp of the final? Nostradamus would be proud:)


Lit up like a motherfucking space cadet.
get your facts straight boyo, i backed them after last years 3N, and have said so for ages, but don't let that get in your way

[Professor Piehead]

get your facts straight boyo, i backed them after last years 3N, and have said so for ages, but don't let that get in your way

Let's not forget the first post in this thread, ha ha ha, you tool.


Tip for EURO 2008, make twenty predictions, look like a complete moron for 19 of them and then argue with someone who made the correct prediction first to cover over your utter buffoonery, heh heh heh, gowl.

[liam2me]

Let's not forget the first post in this thread, ha ha ha, you tool.


Tip for EURO 2008, make twenty predictions, look like a complete moron for 19 of them and then argue with someone who made the correct prediction first to cover over your utter buffoonery, heh heh heh, gowl.
hey stalker boy, missing me whilst i've been away? looks like it, clinging to the few posts that i have time to make in the slight chance you might get a reaction, yet failing miserably yet again, poor sad uneducated pot wash, a little perspective in life goes a long way

[legend76]

Former head coach Andy Robinson says England are certain to reach the semi-finals of the World Cup in France.


"They will certainly get to the semis and, from there, they've got the one-off players to reach the final."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6975857.stm

erm, right, ok then, looks like he got away from the nurses for the day.

i wonder does anyone take him seriously?


I'd imagine the springboks do :)

[Professor Piehead]

hey stalker boy, missing me whilst i've been away? looks like it, clinging to the few posts that i have time to make in the slight chance you might get a reaction, yet failing miserably yet again, poor sad uneducated pot wash, a little perspective in life goes a long way

Well Meg2me, I must admit I missed your stupidity. Keep up the good work.

[legend76]

Well Meg2me, I must admit I missed your stupidity. Keep up the good work.

it's nice to see his time in hiding hasn't changed him .

[Professor Piehead]

it's nice to see his time in hiding hasn't changed him .

I expected nothing less. The clock is ticking for his next bout of self-ownership, I see another black Thursday on the horizon.

[STEVIEG]

In fairness to Liam

He backed the Boks way way way back when

[Lamps]

In fairness to Liam

He backed the Boks way way way back when

He sure did.

Lot of people getting very nervous.

[Sound]

I gave him kudos for it already but he also backed Ireland to do it so lets not go mad altogether.

[liam2me]

I gave him kudos for it already but he also backed Ireland to do it so lets not go mad altogether.
head always said boks, heart said ireland

i think i've actually used those words before TBH